========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:35:08 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: removing space after hard return (aka paragragh marker) In-Reply-To: <005b01c2091b$3a3c6a00$795a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:28:09 +1200 (NZT) 02h12m09s ago ... On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:16:00 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > Is there a smaller word processor that can do that? Dear Dr. Nat :) Using PalEdit: Pressing F4 (Find) then ENTER, then F4 repeatedly will find all hard returns. However, none of these hard returns have a space after them - any spaces are on the next line? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:54:43 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: Post/lx Smtp Login question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or have it switched on. Kind regards Helmuth > > Here is some more information. MIME encoded results in: > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > second Test Umlaut: > > > > =E4, =FC, =F6, =C4, =DC, =D6, =DF, =B5 > > Ah, thanks! :-) > > So everytime I want to send umlauts to or via something which does only > 7bit encoding, I have to use MIME, right? And otherwise, if I know all > participating computers do real 8bit coding, as it should usually > be the case when sending an email from Germany to Germany, I can use > Umlauts without using MIME. Correct? > > GTX > daniel > > -- > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:25:00 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: removing space after hard return (aka paragragh marker) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nathalie On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:16:00 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud = wrote: > Is there a smaller word processor that can do that? LE.exe only removes > spaces BEFORE the hrd.ret. > cheers This sounds like aa typical application for the Stream Editor, sed. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:38:18 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: OT: Re: website for Avi et al In-Reply-To: <005c01c2091b$3b509920$795a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:18:23 +0200 Nathalie Bugeaud a icrit: > Microsloth - its programs and functionaries: > http://i-want-a-website.com/about-microsoft/humor/ One for you, Avi (and all US residents, even for those in a living far away of any little city) : If you want to see you house from the sky, go to : http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm And type your adress in the form at the right part of the screen. For non US resident, you have also detailed pictures a few cities (Paris, Tokyo, some UK cities....), less detailled views for their suburbs (I can see the house where I lived some years ago, at 35km of Paris, ), and very aproximative views of other places... (tip for navigate : select a city near you, click on "Nation" to see all the country/continent, and go inside). Right now, I am sending this message from somewhere in Paris. Exactly here (the dark red roof at the center of the picture) : http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm?zoomScale=0.63&mode=zoomin&zoomL vel=9&actionPerformed=zoom&direction=&masterSelected=6&detailSelected=8&lon=0&lat=0&formLayer=0&targetname=&poiFlag=&ts=&flash=yes&xul=2.3888658&yul=48.8551564&xlr=2.3971434&ylr=48.8506206&address=1+&city=+&state=&zip=&feature_x=2.29516&feature_y=48.86212 [verrrrrry long URL.. Hope it will pass...] Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:56:17 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Re: website for Avi et al Comments: To: Jacques Belin In-Reply-To: <20020601225048.808D.JBELIN@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ah, great! Now you can feed the _image_ of my residence to the ICBM missile and send it on! At 6/1/02 +0200, you wrote: >Le Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:18:23 +0200 >Nathalie Bugeaud a icrit: > > > Microsloth - its programs and functionaries: > > http://i-want-a-website.com/about-microsoft/humor/ > > >One for you, Avi (and all US residents, even for those in a living far >away of any little city) : > >If you want to see you house from the sky, go to : > > http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm > >And type your adress in the form at the right part of the screen. > > >For non US resident, you have also detailed pictures a few cities (Paris, >Tokyo, some UK cities....), less detailled views for their suburbs (I >can see the house where I lived some years >ago, at 35km of Paris, ), and very aproximative views of other places... >(tip for navigate : select a city near you, click on "Nation" to see all >the country/continent, and go inside). > > >Right now, I am sending this message from somewhere in Paris. >Exactly here (the dark red roof at the center of the picture) : >http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm?zoomScale=0.63&mode=zoomin&zoom evel=9&actionPerformed=zoom&direction=&masterSelected=6&detailSelected=8&lon=0&l t=0&formLayer=0&targetname=&poiFlag=&ts=&flash=yes&xul=2.3888658&yul=48.8551564&xlr=2.3971434&ylr=48.8506206&address=1+&city=+&state=&zip=&feature_x=2.29516&feature_y=48.86212 >[verrrrrry long URL.. Hope it will pass...] > > >Jacques. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:43:07 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: OT: Re: website for Avi et al In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020601175526.04c82320@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:56:17 -0700 Avi Meshar a icrit: > Ah, great! Now you can feed the _image_ of my residence to the ICBM missile > and send it on! No need to the _image_, the URL is enough... If you look at it closely, you will see longitude and latitude..... Er, well, it is the coordinates of the center of the picture or one of its coins ? I would not want to nuke one of your neighbors . Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:47:31 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Re: website for Avi et al Comments: To: Jacques Belin In-Reply-To: <20020602013803.80A9.JBELIN@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jacques, At 6/2/02 +0200, you wrote: >If you look at it closely, you will see longitude and latitude..... > >Er, well, it is the coordinates of the center of the picture or one of >its coins ? I would not want to nuke one of your neighbors . What a nice guy! How tiny is the nuke you are sending? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 05:42:43 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim wrote: "the HPLX list is the "last bastion of smart people in the world" " {snip} "BUT, that's *not* a "challenge" to the twisted nuts out there who can only "program" by re-tooling someone else's scripts ..... Heck, I *can't* do REAL programming but would never stoop that low....." -insert start- The Guardian (UK) May 24, 2002 MICROSOFT REJECTS KLEZ ADVANCES Microswoft announced today it would not hire Mr.Klez to improve on it's OE software. Mr. Klez, who's full name is Vladimir Sergei Klez is a student at Moscow's Polytechnic Institute wanting to migrate to the US. He comes from a small community in Immiskoye where he is known as a "Vissarionite". By applying to work for Microsoft he intended to free the company of the "Anti-Christ". Vissarion is a self-proclaimed re-incarnation of Christ... -insert end- Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:53:52 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: GSM LX Canada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Important: But will my Nokia 6210 work?? The Nokia 6210 is dual band 900/1800 and will not work on the US/Canada 1900 frequency. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:10:46 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: OT: Re: website for Avi et al Comments: To: jbelin@ALTERN.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020601225048.808D.JBELIN@altern.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" It looks like GlobeXplorer uses some of the same image database as other sites. For anyone in the U.S. who would like to look at the same data but WITHOUT "GlobeXplorer" stamped all over the images, try: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/advfind.asp?w=0&f=address It does appear GlobeXplorer might cover more areas outside of the U.S. at present, though. Thanks for sharing this, Jacques. Interesting! Rick *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/1/2002 at 11:38 PM Jacques Belin wrote: >One for you, Avi (and all US residents, even for those in a living far >away of any little city) : > >If you want to see you house from the sky, go to : > > http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:55:24 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Re: website for Avi et al Comments: To: RickRae@usa.net In-Reply-To: <200206021510460533.08C44BDB@star.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is what Mapquest uses too! Just click on the aerial photo link above the map. As for more than USA: Yes - true, I checked places in other countries... But only very few. Avi At 6/2/02 -0400, you wrote: >It looks like GlobeXplorer uses some of the same image database as other >sites. For anyone in the U.S. who would like to look at the same data but >WITHOUT "GlobeXplorer" stamped all over the images, try: > >http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/advfind.asp?w=0&f=address > >It does appear GlobeXplorer might cover more areas outside of the U.S. at >present, though. > >Thanks for sharing this, Jacques. Interesting! > >Rick > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 6/1/2002 at 11:38 PM Jacques Belin wrote: > > >One for you, Avi (and all US residents, even for those in a living far > >away of any little city) : > > > >If you want to see you house from the sky, go to : > > > > http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/viewer.cfm > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:50:53 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Compuserve News Server?? Down for a week! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:59:48 +0000, "F. Kaufman" wrote: > I _THINK_ that they have moved to authentication as of last week. I am > not sure but think that means that unless you log directly to cis on the > initial phone call, you may have to send them your id and password to > get to their news-server???????????? I use Earthlink as my ISP. I have to log in directly to Earthlink AND use my username and password to access their news server. This is a real pain when traveling and using the high speed internet connection in hotels. I have to switch to dial-up if I want to check newsgroups. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:51:15 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 30 May 2002 07:48:54 +0100, Stuart Gray wrote: > When will people learn that Outlook (and Express) are *really bad* > email clients? [g] Why do you believe that Outlook or OE are fundamentally any more prone to virus attack than any other Win mailer that displays HTML and _allows_ users to open attachments? It has been my understanding that Outlook and OE are targets of virus attacks _only_ because they are by far the most popular mailers for Win systems.If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it because I am always ready to learn more. Vic Roberts Using POST/LX for this mailing list. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:22:58 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: win3.0, Fn-keys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I am playing with win3.0 on my hplx now. But it seems I cannot use national characters [Fn-keys] while in Windows. Is there any workaround other than win-national support, which uses numbers to generate national characters? Thanks -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:46:03 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus In-Reply-To: ; from RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET on Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:51:15PM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:51:15PM -0700, Victor Roberts wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2002 07:48:54 +0100, Stuart Gray > wrote: > > When will people learn that Outlook (and Express) are > > *really bad* email clients? [g] > Why do you believe that Outlook or OE are fundamentally > any more prone to virus attack than any other Win mailer > that displays HTML and _allows_ users to open attachments? It's not the feature set that's the problem, it's the poor /implementation/. (OK, overly-ambitious and barely-thought-through feature sets do contribute, too.) It's theoretically possible to have "bulletproof" MUAs with the same "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" feature sets as Outlook/OE. It just takes much more time, effort and skill than Microsoft seems to be willing to dedicate to the task. (To be fair, few companies, if any, would score high marks in this respect either.) /That's/ why they're "*really bad* email clients". I sympathize if you have no choice but to live with them. > It has been my understanding that Outlook and OE are targets > of virus attacks _only_ because they are by far the most > popular mailers for Win systems. No, they're targets because their features sets are poorly implemented -- only an idiot or a supremely-confident cracker would target a "bulletproof" MUA. Their popularity merely makes them ideal for those who want /widespread/ havoc (ie. virus/worm writers). - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:21:16 -0700 Reply-To: Don Miller Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Miller Organization: JFK University Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: cc: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: <200206040401.VAA29066@jfku.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Being a "big target" is only part of the problem. Outlook also has some unfortunate design features that virus writers often exploit, that allow viruses to infect computers automatically, even if the user never opens the attachment - messages crafted to look like "inline" objects, certain mime headers, etc. It tries to be more automated (and hide more from the user) than most e-mail programs, and the viruses exploit that. Additionally, it uses the Windows Address Book, which is particularly easy for viruses to exploit to get addresses. And rather than keeping its settings, such as defined SMTP servers, in a separate INI file, it puts them into the registry in a predictable place, so the virus has an easy time figuring out how to route its messages. Like most current MS stuff, it tries to pretend it's part of the operating system, not just an application. So I would have to agree with the message you were responding to, Outlook IS much worse than others... One other point of note: In my opinion, Outlook / OE are so popular because they are bundled with virtually all new machines, and many Microsoft programs - in my view, they get used because they are there, not because they are better. Seems to me, that bundling is what the anti-trust case was all about. So when the media were running all those "man-on-the-street" clips showing people saying "Microsoft hasn't hurt me", well, I wonder how many of them have had all sorts of grief from these vulnerabilities? Just my 2 cents worth... Don Miller On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Victor Roberts wrote: > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:51:15 -0700 > From: Victor Roberts > Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus > > Why do you believe that Outlook or OE are fundamentally any more prone > to virus attack than any other Win mailer that displays HTML and > _allows_ users to open attachments? It has been my understanding that > Outlook and OE are targets of virus attacks _only_ because they are by > far the most popular mailers for Win systems.If you have evidence to > the contrary, please post it because I am always ready to learn more. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:59:23 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: Old DOS program (shareware / freeware?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy everyone:) I require an application that will convert an outlined text file i.e. each level indented by a tab or space etc. into a organagram / hierarchy chart. Many years ago (4.7 Mhz processor and DOS ver 2 era!) I had such a program and after searching through several hundred 51/4 floppies have not been able to locate :( I suspect that I do have the program (along with lots of other archaic goodies) stored on tape but alas no longer have a tape drive of the correct format (that works) capable of reading the data. I have conducted an Internet search using key words such as chart / organagram / dos / outline but unfortunately have found nothing... Can anyone on this list help? The output from the program I remember using was limited to 15 or so characters per line enclosed in simple box's created using ASCII elements with the input being a plain text file. A windows based application would also be acceptable, the goal being to generate a organagram / WBS / RBS / hierarchy chart from an outline text file. Many thanks in advance. Very best regards from Nigel R in sunny South Africa :) The above proudly prepared on my trusty HP95LX! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:32:39 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: OT: Win98 Autoexec.bat and CONFIG.SYS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is totally off topic - and I request responses to be sent privately. I had an unfortunate encounter with a program and it "ate" my autoexec.bat and CONFIG.SYS. I am trying to restore them both but have conflicting versions. What would you put into an autoexec.bat for Win98? What about CONFIG.SYS? Thanks Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:01:27 +0200 Reply-To: furlan@gmx.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV Subject: GPRS Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hello, my Ericsson T39m and my palmtop with www/lx worked together fine in GPRS and GSM, until my phone company (mobilkom Austria) changed something in their dial in procedure. The dial string changed from *99# to *99***1# and the modeminit string changed from nothing to AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","A1.net". From that moment on I could no more connect to the net. Modem initialisation and dial in worked like before, but then I got a IP error, then a DNS1 rej, a DNS2 rej. and then www stopped working. No support from my phone company, they suggested to try a initstring like: +cgdcont=1,"IP","A1.net";+CGQREQ=1,2,4,3,3,31;+CDQMIN=1,3,4,3,1,1 but it did not help. DNS1 and DNS2 are entered in the DNS fields in WWW. Any idea, what I could do? Connect through GSM works though. HP in Salzburg, if you listen: do you use A1 Gprs? cheers, Werner -- PGP-Key: SMS: <+436646340014@text.mobilkom.at> Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:02:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Old DOS program (shareware / freeware?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C20BC8.1C5DA8A0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C20BC8.1C5DA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have any DOS programs that created organization charts from outlines, but I remember that Aldus had a product for Windows that could work like that. Was it Persuasion? It's been years. Maybe your search for the DOS program would work better with these terms. Organagram is unfamiliar to me. Alan Striegel -----Original Message----- From: Nigel R [mailto:nigel@KEEPSMILING.CO.ZA] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:59 AM >I require an application that will convert an outlined text file i.e. each >level indented by a tab or space etc. into a organagram / hierarchy chart. >Many years ago (4.7 Mhz processor and DOS ver 2 era!) I had such a program >and after searching through several hundred 51/4 floppies have not been able >to locate ... > I have conducted an >Internet search using key words such as chart / organagram / dos / outline >but unfortunately have found nothing... Can anyone on this list help? The >output from the program I remember using was limited to 15 or so characters >per line enclosed in simple box's created using ASCII elements with the >input being a plain text file. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C20BC8.1C5DA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Old DOS program (shareware / freeware?)

I don't have any DOS programs that created = organization charts from outlines, but I remember that Aldus had a = product for Windows that could work like that.  Was it = Persuasion?  It's been years.

Maybe your search for the DOS program would work = better with these terms.  Organagram is unfamiliar to me.

Alan Striegel

-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel R [mailto:nigel@KEEPSMILING.CO.ZA]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:59 AM

>I require an application that will convert an = outlined text file i.e. each
>level indented by a tab or space etc. into a = organagram / hierarchy chart.
>Many years ago (4.7 Mhz processor and DOS ver 2 = era!) I had such a program
>and after searching through several hundred 51/4 = floppies have not been able
>to locate

...

> I have conducted an
>Internet search using key words such as chart / = organagram / dos / outline
>but unfortunately have found nothing... Can = anyone on this list help? The
>output from the program I remember using was = limited to 15 or so characters
>per line enclosed in simple box's created using = ASCII elements with the
>input being a plain text file.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C20BC8.1C5DA8A0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:59 +0200 Reply-To: furlan@gmx.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Victor Roberts schrieb =FCber Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus: > Why do you believe that Outlook or OE > are fundamentally any more prone to > virus attack than any other Win mailer > that displays HTML and _allows_ users > to open attachments? It has been my > understanding that Outlook and OE are > targets of virus attacks _only_ > because they are by far the most > popular mailers for Win systems.If you > have evidence to the contrary, please > post it because I am always ready to > learn more. >=20 I am a long time user of Pegasus Mail and the programmer Mr. Harris=20 has spent much effort to prevent the users of his program against=20 viruses. It is a fact that if you execute a file containing a virus you are=20 infected.=20 The same is true with potential malignant code in Internet=20 contents.=20 It may be less comfortable to lock the door, but it makes it also=20 less comfortable for the intruder. you have the choice.... Werner=20 -- =20 PGP-Key: SMS: <+436646340014@text.mobilkom.at> Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:31:45 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Ericsson t39 - DRS-11 - 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using this combo for a few months now, with Goin'Postal. It all works great! However, the connectivity cable, null modem and Ericsson's DRS11 cable are a bit bulky. Is there a way to cut the ends, and connect the cables in the correct way? I suppose I could do away with the null modem by rewiring the connectivity cable (there's no electronics in there AFAIK) , but can I link the Ericsson wires direct to the connectivity cable, doing away with the connectors altogether, or is there some circuitry in Ericsson's connector? TIA Etienne ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:43:57 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: To: Don Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Miller" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus > Being a "big target" is only part of the problem. Outlook also has some > unfortunate design features that virus writers often exploit, that allow > viruses to infect computers automatically, even if the user never opens > the attachment - messages crafted to look like "inline" objects, certain > mime headers, etc. It tries to be more automated (and hide more from the > user) than most e-mail programs, and the viruses exploit that. > > Additionally, it uses the Windows Address Book, which is particularly easy > for viruses to exploit to get addresses. And rather than keeping its > settings, such as defined SMTP servers, in a separate INI file, it puts > them into the registry in a predictable place, so the virus has an easy > time figuring out how to route its messages. Like most current MS stuff, > it tries to pretend it's part of the operating system, not just an > application. So I would have to agree with the message you were responding > to, Outlook IS much worse than others... > > One other point of note: In my opinion, Outlook / OE are so popular > because they are bundled with virtually all new machines, and many > Microsoft programs - in my view, they get used because they are there, not > because they are better. Seems to me, that bundling is what the anti-trust > case was all about. So when the media were running all those > "man-on-the-street" clips showing people saying "Microsoft hasn't hurt > me", well, I wonder how many of them have had all sorts of grief from > these vulnerabilities? I'm not going to disagree with anything you've said but there's another side of this that I think is being ignored. I'm on a couple of literary listserves with a lot of people who don't know much about computers (and a few who do) and are always asking for help. Since nearly everyone is using OE, it's easy to help them. Call your ISP for support and they'll be able to help you with OE since they're trained to help with it. It's become the standard and, in a lot of ways, that's as important as being good. Why else are we using Windows? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:44:01 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Ericsson t39 - DRS-11 - 200lx In-Reply-To: <001101c20bd4$8e0a30c0$6701a8c0@thispest> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:31:45 +0200 Etienne Lemaire a icrit: > Is there a way to cut the ends, and connect the cables in the > correct way? Yes, I have done it with R320s+DRS-11. All it reduced to ~10 cm... ;-) > I suppose I could do away with the null modem by rewiring the > connectivity cable (there's no electronics in there AFAIK) , but > can I link the Ericsson wires direct to the connectivity cable, > doing away with the connectors altogether, or is there some > circuitry in Ericsson's connector? There are electronic parts in the Ericsson-side connector, not in the DB9 side. Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:57:13 -0700 Reply-To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Longden Loo Subject: Personal Food Analyst question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm looking for a LX-compatible food guide showing the usual calorie, carbohydrate grams, fat grams and protein grams per serving of food items. A dumb reference is all I need (nothing to tally or track numbers), but all of the above information (calories, carb, fat, protein) must be there. Is Personal Food Analyst what I'm after? Or is there some other database or searchable reference I can download/buy? I know I can get this on the Palm OS, but I'd rather not go that route. Thanks. - Longden ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:07:14 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: GPRS Problems In-Reply-To: <3CFCC837.15935.1CF526B@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:03:31 +1200 (NZT) 08h02m04s ago ... On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:01:27 +0200, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: > DNS1 and DNS2 are entered in the DNS fields in WWW. Just a guess - put ";" in front of the DNS entries in your GPRS setup in WWW.CFG. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:00:54 -0700 Reply-To: Don Miller Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Miller Organization: JFK University Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <008201c20bd6$55e6ef60$1a0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Barry wrote: > Call your ISP for support and they'll be able to help you with OE > since they're trained to help with it. It's become the standard and, > in a lot of ways, that's as important as being good. Barry - I agree with you about the value of standardization for most users to allow good support. (We do that kind of thing at JFKU for staff/students and as an ISP all the time). But Outlook _got to be_ the de facto standard by being bundled, or in other words, shoved down users' throats - not because it was a good choice. And when an ISP takes the easy road, and just assumes Outlook/OE, then the average user thinks that is the "right" way to go. Standardize, yes - but with a good product chosen intelligently! > Why else are we using Windows? Dangerous assumption... I'm using PINE in Solaris here... Don Miller Network Operations JFK University ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:56:34 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: To: Don Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus > > Why else are we using Windows? > > Dangerous assumption... I'm using PINE in Solaris here... Safe assumption. Most of us are using Windows. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:36:23 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <022d01c20c12$c6e5f8a0$1a0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Barry wrote: > From: "Don Miller" > > > > Why else are we using Windows? > > > > Dangerous assumption... I'm using PINE in Solaris here... > > > Safe assumption. Most of us are using Windows. Well. I use Pine under Linux, and right now with a real VT420, talking 19200 bauds... I really think that among the usual subscribers of these technical mailin= g lists (like HP-LX), the percentage of the people not using Windows can be higher than for the rest of computer users... --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- FTI: Internet est un nouveau m=E9dia. Il n'est pas encore aussi fiable, que le t=E9l=E9phone ou la t=E9l=E9vision. Si un probl=E8me est d=E9tect=E9= , Wanadoo cherche toujours, =E0 le r=E9soudre dans les plus brefs d=E9lais. -+- Wanadoo in GNU -+- Le support sans faille du FAI sans support -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:00:10 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: Russian on the 95LX, 200LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Is it possible to type with Russian characters on the 95LX, either with the system apps or in DOS? Also is it possible to print or save files in Russian on the 200LX? Thanks! Eric ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:07:33 +0200 Reply-To: Josef Meyer Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Josef Meyer Subject: Re: GPRS Problems Comments: To: "Dr. Werner Furlan" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Werner, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: > The dial string changed from *99# to *99***1# and the modeminit > string changed from nothing to AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","A1.net". > working. I believe that in menu 'settings', 'data accounts', you have a GPRS account with the value 'A1.net' for APN. If not, you have to add it. I assume the rest of the account settings can remain unchanged (empty in most cases). This is the account you have to use. Then don't put any init-strings in the HPLX As dial string you have to put *99***x#, whereby x refers to the CID you see assigned to your GPRS data account in your T39m. '1' is the default and can therefore be omitted if '1', else you have to give the same value as in CID in the phone. For detailed info about AT-commands of the T39m see the manual on Daniel Hertrich's Webpage: http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/mob-hplx/T39_DG_AT_R1A.zip > No support from my phone company, they suggested to try a > initstring like: > +cgdcont=1,"IP","A1.net";+CGQREQ=1,2,4,3,3,31;+CDQMIN=1,3,4,3,1,1 > > but it did not help. > DNS1 and DNS2 are entered in the DNS fields in WWW. I don't think that DNS1 / DNS2 have to have a value, normally IP, DNS1 and DNS2 are assigned by the server. Hope this will bring you further. Josef Meyer ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:26:39 +0200 Reply-To: furlan@gmx.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV Subject: Re: GPRS Problems Comments: To: Josef Meyer In-Reply-To: <3CBDE9810085E635@mta9n.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable hallo Josef, many thanks for your answer. Josef Meyer schrieb =FCber Re: GPRS Problems: > Werner, >=20 > Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: >=20 > > The dial string changed from *99# to *99***1# and the modeminit > > string changed from nothing to AT+cgdcont=3D1,"IP","A1.net". > > working. >=20 > I believe that in menu 'settings', 'data accounts', you have a GPRS > account with the value 'A1.net' for APN. If not, you have to add it. > I assume the rest of the account settings can remain unchanged > (empty in most cases). This is the account you have to use. Then > don't put any init-strings in the HPLX this hint was the solution of my problem. The Initstring I sent to=20 the phone had deleted the name of the APN in the phone!=20 I entered the name again, no initstring in the HP, and it works=20 again.=20 I wonder why the Initstring AT+CGDCONT=3D1,"IP","A1.net" could erase=20 the APN in the phone. And of course the information I got from the phone company was=20 misleading in my case. >=20 > As dial string you have to put *99***x#, whereby x refers to the CID > you see assigned to your GPRS data account in your T39m. '1' is the > default and can therefore be omitted if '1', else you have to give > the same value as in CID in the phone. that's what I did. The CID is one. > I don't think that DNS1 / DNS2 have to have a value, normally IP, > DNS1 and DNS2 are assigned by the server. the phone company says it has to be filled in, but not in the=20 phone, but in the dial in program. I did not try to erase it in my=20 www setup though. >=20 > Hope this will bring you further. yes it did. >=20 > Josef Meyer thanks and best regards, Werner=20 -- =20 PGP-Key: SMS: <+436646340014@text.mobilkom.at> Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:32:31 +0200 Reply-To: furlan@gmx.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV Subject: Re: GPRS Problems Comments: To: Tony Hutchins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable hi Tony,=20 Tony Hutchins schrieb =FCber Re: GPRS Problems: > Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:03:31 +1200 (NZT) >=20 > 08h02m04s ago ... > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:01:27 +0200, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: >=20 > > DNS1 and DNS2 are entered in the DNS fields in WWW. >=20 > Just a guess - put ";" in front of the DNS entries in your > GPRS setup in WWW.CFG. >=20 > - Tony >=20 thanks for the hint, I did not try it, because it works again -=20 thanks to Joseph Meyer.=20 My phone company told me that the dial in for GPRS has changed. They recommend *99***1# and the mentionend INIT string=20 AT+cgdcont=3D1,"IP","A1.net". I found out that if I use this initialisation, in my phone the APN=20 entry which is A1.net was deleted! If I use the old initialisation with *99# and AT&F, all works=20 again. The change in the recommended Dial in was made because there are=20 two user groups now, the old group with a normal account and now=20 also the users with prepaid cards, which had no Internet access=20 before. They now have to identify from the login to which group you=20 belong to. (if I understood correctly) Why the new dialin does not work with WWW/LX I do not understand,=20 especially why the dialin erases the APN number in my phone. cheers, Werner=20 -- =20 PGP-Key: SMS: <+436646340014@text.mobilkom.at> Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:18:00 +0000 Reply-To: Gregory Youdin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gregory Youdin Subject: Re: Russian on the 95LX, 200LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Is it possible to type with Russian characters on the 95LX, either with >the system apps or in DOS? >Also is it possible to print or save files in Russian on the 200LX? > Of course it is possible. There is program keybez. It resides on drive D:\BIN. You need to terminate System Manager pressing "menu", A, T. When in DOS just type: C:\keybez ru You can start System Manager again typing 200 (on 200LX). Now you have Russian characters driver in memory. To swithching to Russian characters just press CTRL. You can use it while typing or reading in DOS or System Manager Applications. But you can't name files in Russian. All the best, Gregory _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:55:33 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: GPRS Problems In-Reply-To: <3CFE04DF.28697.C1E41@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:46:57 +1200 (NZT) 01h14m26s ago ... On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:32:31 +0200, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: > thanks for the hint, I did not try it, because it works > again - thanks to Joseph Meyer. Werner, Great! > Why the new dialin does not work with WWW/LX I do not > understand, especially why the dialin erases the APN number > in my phone. Have you tried it a second time, to confirm the deletion? WWW/LX just sends the dialin - I am sure it is quite innocent. It sounds like your settings are now the same as they were originally, before your GPRS provider recommended the change. Or, is your Login different? Not important - whatever it is it now works again :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:09:06 +0200 Reply-To: Josef Meyer Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Josef Meyer Subject: Re: GPRS Problems Comments: To: furlan@gmx.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Werner, Nice that I could help you Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: > > I believe that in menu 'settings', 'data accounts', you have a GPRS > > account with the value 'A1.net' for APN. If not, you have to add it. > > I assume the rest of the account settings can remain unchanged > > (empty in most cases). This is the account you have to use. Then > > don't put any init-strings in the HPLX > > this hint was the solution of my problem. The Initstring I sent to > the phone had deleted the name of the APN in the phone! > I entered the name again, no initstring in the HP, and it works > again. > I wonder why the Initstring AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","A1.net" could erase > the APN in the phone. > And of course the information I got from the phone company was > misleading in my case. In the beginning of trying with GPRS and HPLX I encountered the same thing: With the initstring AT+CGDCONT I have overwritten the original entry, therefore I never used it again! > > As dial string you have to put *99***x#, whereby x refers to the CID > > you see assigned to your GPRS data account in your T39m. '1' is the > > default and can therefore be omitted if '1', else you have to give > > the same value as in CID in the phone. > > that's what I did. The CID is one. > > > I don't think that DNS1 / DNS2 have to have a value, normally IP, > > DNS1 and DNS2 are assigned by the server. > > the phone company says it has to be filled in, but not in the > phone, but in the dial in program. I did not try to erase it in my > www setup though. If IP-address, DNS1, DNS2 are not given by the APN server, indeed they have to be set in the HPLX. In my experience the following values have to be set: Phone: Create a GPRS data account with the right APN value, normally the rest is unchanged or empty (some operators require a user ID and a password). HPLX (or any other computer): Dial string = ATDT*99# (in case that the CID of the GPRS account in the phone is '1', else "99"""#). If a specific DNS has to be used, then also DNS has to be set according to the operator's information. I use ATZ as initstring, but most probably this can also be empty. Regards / Josef ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:37:01 +0200 Reply-To: bjornn1@START.NO Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Lillebjorn Nilsen Subject: Post/lx strip attachment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I receive messages in Post/LX with several attachments, and run "strip attachment" - it seems that only a single one is removed. How can I get rid of the rest? ------------------- Lillejorn Nilsen, Oslo Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:00:35 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Safe assumption. Most of us are using Windows. > > Well. I use Pine under Linux, and right now with a real VT420, talking > 19200 bauds... > Well indeed. I use Lotus Notes under MacOS 9.1. > really think that among the usual subscribers of these technical mailin= > g > lists (like HP-LX), the percentage of the people not using Windows can be > higher than for the rest of computer users... > Yes. The more you know about computers, the less you have t do with Windows. Bruce on a Mac in Toronto (Virus-free since 1997. Crash-free since sometime in the Fall of 2000.) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:58:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Daniel Ginsberg, M.D." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Daniel Ginsberg, M.D." Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can get all the data you want on food composition from: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR14/sr14.html It may take some work on your part to get it into your HP LX. You could build a database or spreadsheet. I've spent a little time playing with the data by importing it into an Access database I wrote. I'll warn you that it's a very large database. Daniel C Ginsberg, MD daniel.ginsberg@multicare.org www.allenmore.salu.net (253) 403-4810 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:15:50 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: Re: Russian on the 95LX, 200LX Comments: To: Gregory Youdin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Gregory, Thanks for your reply. I guess I should have been a bit more specific. On the HP95LX I haven't gotten beyond the manual, as it says that with US machines the international characters aren't available. I hope this can be gotten around? With my 200LX, I have used Keybez to successfully remap the characters to Russian. What I'm wondering now is how I can a) print the text files so they read in Russian and b) save the files so that I can transfer them to a desktop computer and read them in Russian there too. Thanks! Eric At 11:18 AM 6/5/02 +0000, you wrote: >> Is it possible to type with Russian characters on the 95LX, either with >>the system apps or in DOS? >>Also is it possible to print or save files in Russian on the 200LX? >> > >Of course it is possible. There is program keybez. It resides on drive >D:\BIN. You need to terminate System Manager pressing "menu", A, T. When in >DOS just type: >C:\keybez ru >You can start System Manager again typing 200 (on 200LX). >Now you have Russian characters driver in memory. To swithching to Russian >characters just press CTRL. You can use it while typing or reading in DOS or >System Manager Applications. But you can't name files in Russian. > >All the best, >Gregory > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:33:50 -0700 Reply-To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Longden Loo Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > You can get all the data you want on food composition from: > > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR14/sr14.html > > It may take some work on your part to get it into your HP LX. You could > build a database or spreadsheet. I've spent a little time playing with the > data by importing it into an Access database I wrote. I'll warn you that > it's a very large database. Thanks. This is probably close to what I want (tho there's no sushi listed ). - Longden ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:37:31 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Post/lx strip attachment In-Reply-To: <20020605133701.5EEF17E77@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:32:04 +1200 (NZT) 08h55m03s ago ... On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:37:01 +0200, Lillebjorn Nilsen wrote: > When I receive messages in Post/LX with several > attachments, and run "strip attachment" > - it seems that only a single one is > removed. How can I get rid of the rest? In general it works fine here. Occasionally I will edit (F6) an inbox message and delete unwanted info and then re-save the message, removing the original. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:04:46 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:46:03 +0800, Adrian Ho wrote: > On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:51:15PM -0700, Victor Roberts wrote: > > On Thu, 30 May 2002 07:48:54 +0100, Stuart Gray > > wrote: > > > When will people learn that Outlook (and Express) are > > > *really bad* email clients? [g] > > Why do you believe that Outlook or OE are fundamentally > > any more prone to virus attack than any other Win mailer > > that displays HTML and _allows_ users to open attachments? > > It's not the feature set that's the problem, it's the > poor /implementation/. (OK, overly-ambitious and > barely-thought-through feature sets do contribute, too.) Such as? I was hoping you would provide some details instead of just restating your opinion. > > It's theoretically possible to have "bulletproof" MUAs with > the same "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" feature sets as > Outlook/OE. It just takes much more time, effort and skill > than Microsoft seems to be willing to dedicate to the task. > (To be fair, few companies, if any, would score high marks > in this respect either.) > > /That's/ why they're "*really bad* email clients". > I sympathize if you have no choice but to live with them. I never said I had to use Outlook. Also do you have any examples of "bulletproof" MUA's that we can use to continue this discussion with some data? > > > It has been my understanding that Outlook and OE are targets > > of virus attacks _only_ because they are by far the most > > popular mailers for Win systems. > > No, they're targets because their features sets are poorly > implemented -- only an idiot or a supremely-confident cracker > would target a "bulletproof" MUA. Their popularity merely > makes them ideal for those who want /widespread/ havoc > (ie. virus/worm writers). I am disappointed. Still not data to support your position. Just more restating the claims. You must be able to do better than this Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:04:48 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:21:16 -0700 (PDT), Don Miller wrote: > Being a "big target" is only part of the problem. Outlook also has some > unfortunate design features that virus writers often exploit, that allow > viruses to infect computers automatically, even if the user never opens > the attachment - messages crafted to look like "inline" objects, certain > mime headers, etc. It tries to be more automated (and hide more from the > user) than most e-mail programs, and the viruses exploit that. I will agree with you only to the extent that Outlook has the Preview view turned On by default and that Windows hides file extensions for "known" file types by default. Other than that, how is Outlook more prone to spreading a virus through your system than any other Win mailer that displays HTML messages and allows file attachments? How would these other theoretical mailers prevent the types of viruses that you say Outlook encourages. > Additionally, it uses the Windows Address Book, which is particularly easy > for viruses to exploit to get addresses. And rather than keeping its > settings, such as defined SMTP servers, in a separate INI file, it puts > them into the registry in a predictable place, so the virus has an easy > time figuring out how to route its messages. Like most current MS stuff, > it tries to pretend it's part of the operating system, not just an > application. So I would have to agree with the message you were responding > to, Outlook IS much worse than others... What "Windows Address Book"? I my Outlook address book does not have the default name and is not located in the default directory. That is for my convenience, not to avoid viruses. Let's say that some other mailer, let's call it SuperMail, had 80% of the market and was not a MS App and was not "integrated into the OS like you say Outlook is. I claim that 95% of the users of SuperMail would use the default address book name and would leave it in the default directory. So, a virus author would know just where to look for the address book of SuperMail and would understand its format. Why would SuperMail's address book be any more secure than Outlook's? Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:04:51 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:59 +0200, "Dr. Werner Furlan" wrote: > I am a long time user of Pegasus Mail and the programmer Mr. Harris=20 > has spent much effort to prevent the users of his program against=20 > viruses. > It is a fact that if you execute a file containing a virus you are=20 > infected. > The same is true with potential malignant code in Internet=20 > contents. > It may be less comfortable to lock the door, but it makes it also=20 > less comfortable for the intruder. > > you have the choice.... > > Werner Are you saying that Pegasus will not let you open attachments until you save them as files, or will not open your browser using a hot link in an e-mail message? Yes, that would reduce virus infection, at a loss of convenience which may or may not be important, depending upon how you use your system. By just practicing a little "safe computing" and using a virus checker, I have never had an e-mail virus infect my various Windows machines. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:19:33 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus In-Reply-To: ; from RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:04:46PM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:04:46PM -0700, Victor Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:46:03 +0800, Adrian Ho wrote: > > It's not the feature set that's the problem, it's the > > poor /implementation/. (OK, overly-ambitious and > > barely-thought-through feature sets do contribute, too.) > > Such as? I was hoping you would provide some details instead of > just restating your opinion. I assume you're familiar with the list of security-related Outlook/OE bugfixes? If not, go to www.microsoft.com/security, type "outlook security bulletin" in the Search field, and start reading. The Bugtraq archives @ www.securityfocus.com should also prove interesting. > > It's theoretically possible to have "bulletproof" MUAs with > > the same "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" feature sets as > > Outlook/OE. It just takes much more time, effort and skill > > than Microsoft seems to be willing to dedicate to the task. > > (To be fair, few companies, if any, would score high marks > > in this respect either.) > > > > /That's/ why they're "*really bad* email clients". > > I sympathize if you have no choice but to live with them. > > I never said I had to use Outlook. I never said you did. Read what I wrote again. > Also do you have any examples of "bulletproof" MUA's that > we can use to continue this discussion with some data? I did say "theoretically possible", didn't I? That said, my sis uses Pegasus Mail and has had zero problems with viruses thus far (and I'm referring to the ones that get past Norton AntiVirus, also running on her machine). I don't use Windows for mail processing anymore, so I can't comment on personal experience. Speaking of data, where's yours? > > > It has been my understanding that Outlook and OE are targets > > > of virus attacks _only_ because they are by far the most > > > popular mailers for Win systems. > > > > No, they're targets because their features sets are poorly > > implemented -- only an idiot or a supremely-confident cracker > > would target a "bulletproof" MUA. Their popularity merely > > makes them ideal for those who want /widespread/ havoc > > (ie. virus/worm writers). > > I am disappointed. Still not data to support your position. > Just more restating the claims. You must be able to do better > than this I too am disappointed -- that you exhort others to do what you would not do yourself. How about /you/ contributing some facts to back up /your/ "understanding"? - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:04:51 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:59 +0200, "Dr. Werner Furlan" = wrote: > >> I am a long time user of Pegasus Mail and the programmer Mr. = Harris=3D20 >> has spent much effort to prevent the users of his program against=3D20 >> viruses. >> It is a fact that if you execute a file containing a virus you = are=3D20 >> infected. >> The same is true with potential malignant code in Internet=3D20 >> contents. >> It may be less comfortable to lock the door, but it makes it = also=3D20 >> less comfortable for the intruder. >> >> you have the choice.... >> >> Werner > >Are you saying that Pegasus will not let you open attachments >until you save them as files, or will not open your browser >using a hot link in an e-mail message? Yes, that would reduce >virus infection, at a loss of convenience which may or may not >be important, depending upon how you use your system. Pegasus will let you do both. The single most advantage in using Pegasus is it has an inline html viewer which does not use IE. So you can view html messages without the fear of scripts running and loading a virus on your system. That is the main hole in Outlook and Express. As long as it is coupled with IE and allows scripts viruses will be able to get in the system. The only time I've gotten a virus on my system is when I used Outlook Express, fully patched, with AV software with the preview window. A script was able to run and it loaded a virus into my windows directory. Luckily I caught it before it was able to run and deleted it. It is the only time in the last 12 years a virus has gotten into my system. I have never had any problems with viruses using Pegasus. I am now using Agent. It has the same advantages as Pegasus and also handles newsgroups. Plus it has a window which I can view email messages safely without having to click on them to open them. It works much better than Pegasus on a 640 by 480 screen. However it uses an external html viewer for html messages so it is only as safe as the external viwer used. I have been bombarded with viruses for about a month or so. I tried Norton AV first and it allowed the virus I previously mentioned on my system even though I had it checking email. I changed to McAfee and it hasen't picked up squat for email born viruses even though I get about 5 a day. So as far as I'm concerned I much rather use a safe email program than trust a virus checker coupled with M$ software. > >By just practicing a little "safe computing" and using a virus >checker, I have never had an e-mail virus infect my various >Windows machines. Are you sure? The Klez virus seems pretty prevaliant and I have never gotten so many email born viruses as I have in the last month or so. I've only had my earthlink mailbox for a few months so it seems very odd that I have been getting as many virus ridden emails as I have. Viruses seems to be infecting a heck of a lot of systems. If I was still using Outlook or Express and a virus checker I couldn't be completely sure I was catching all viruses without a daily manual check of my system. I've had these problems before and its really annoying. One time I was forced to change ISP because of the number of email born viruses I was getting. I'm seriously considering going back to OS/2 Warp which is extremely resistant to viruses. I used it from 95 til about 99 and was extremely happy with it. And now it runs Windows 95 and 98 software too. I'm really dissatisfied with Windows. Considering how prevalent viruses are for it it should have built in safeguards to protect against them. It doesn't though and using it is pretty much asking for trouble. > >Vic Roberts John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:26:48 -0700 Reply-To: Don Miller Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Miller Organization: JFK University Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: cc: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: <200206060401.VAA01642@jfku.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is SO far off topic, I don't want to beat it to death on this list, but some facts were requested, so here are a few: On 05 Jun 2002, Vic Roberts wrote in reply to me: > I will agree with you only to the extent that Outlook has the Preview > view turned On by default and that Windows hides file extensions for > "known" file types by default. Other than that, how is Outlook more > prone to spreading a virus through your system than any other Win > mailer that displays HTML messages and allows file attachments? One very good example is Nimda, which exploits the (uniquely Outlook) CLSID vulnerability to run silently and without being opened. Anyone interested may see, for example: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32nimdaa.html There are many others. Another example would be buffer overflow vulnerabilities - BY NO MEANS unique to Outlook, nor to MS, but MUCH more common there, given their "poor implementation" - i.e. sloppiness. (Also note the IIS vulnerabilities mentioned as an aside at the page referenced above). Just do a newsgroup search in the USENET comp.* hierarchy for "buffer overflow" and "Outlook" or "MSIE". And, compared to a web mail client, the comparison is even more extreme - but, strictly speaking, that is not a "windows mailer". But it may be a very good idea... > What "Windows Address Book"? I my Outlook address book does not have > the default name and is not located in the default directory. That is > for my convenience, not to avoid viruses. But you can bet that there is a pointer to it, wherever you put it, and whatever you called it, in the registry at a known or determinable location. That is part of what I meant about "pretending to be" part of the O/S. They _intend_ it to be "open", they regard it as a feature. And it is repeatedly a vulnerability. Yes, when these are exploited, MS will (sometimes) post a patch. Often slowly and grudgingly. And always after the problem is huge. Taking into account all the _evidence_, which is way beyond the scope of what belongs on the HP-LX list, my reasoned opinion is that Outlook (in any variation) may be assumed to be risky, and should not be used. Others may differ. Regards, Don Miller ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:45:25 +0000 Reply-To: Gregory Youdin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gregory Youdin Subject: Re: Russian on the 95LX, 200LX Comments: To: ericgree@enoreo.on.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Eric, I'm not familiar with HP95LX, but I guess there shouldn't be a problem remapping their keyboard as well using keybez. I would also recommend trying any other remappers like keyrus.com or alfa.com they are small and should work. Saving a files. You can try this experiment: 1. load keybez 2. c:\copy con rustest.txt 3. press ctrl 4. type something like "PROWERKA RUSSKIH KLAWI[" 5. press ctrl and enter 6. press ctrl+z, then enter 7. and you can verify the file with c:\type rustest.txt Printing this text shouldn't be a problem if you have extended char table in your printer... 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Jetzt unter http://club.web.de/=3Fmc=3D021105 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:47:02 +0100 Reply-To: Chris Randle Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Randle Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > Behalf Of Victor Roberts > Sent: 06 June 2002 03:05 > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:46:03 +0800, Adrian Ho wrote: > > It's not the feature set that's the problem, it's the > > poor /implementation/. (OK, overly-ambitious and > > barely-thought-through feature sets do contribute, too.) > and Victor Roberts replied: > Such as? I was hoping you would provide some details instead > of just restating your opinion. I'll chip in if you don't mind? Some things I hate: 1) Hit reply. Everything set up for top posting. It's extra work to get it all moved about for bottom posting. 2) Reply to an HTML post and you get HTML, even though your settings are for text e-mail only. Go to Format->Plain Text and it dutifully converts it to text, but loses the quoting marks, so you either give in and post HTML or else have to add loads of ">" symbols everywhere. 3) Signatures are anything you like. There's no clue anywhere that a proper sig should begin "-- ". 4) Rules for message moving based on content/subject etc. have a mind of their own. It has a junk e-mail folder that it sends some mail to despite the fact there's no rule for it. Some HPLX stuff gets sent there. It's an internal thing, there's no configuration for it. Someone suggested to me that it might be based on the senders server being black-listed, but even if it is, there's no way to override it. Sometimes the mail is copied there, sometimes moved so you can't just go in there and delete it because it might be the only copy. 5) Every default setting seems designed to lead people into "bad" habits like HTML & top posting. I always have the feeling that the people that wrote it never even heard of RFC's, let alone read any. They're too used to making the rules to suddenly start following any. 6) Generally speaking, it has the feeling that it's full of gee-whizz features bunged willy-nilly wherever anybody felt like it, without any underlying purity of design. It's a leviathan that ends up getting in your way constantly. 7) It's files are HUGE. I used to do all my e-mail on an 8MB 200LX with a 48MB CF card. About 2MB on LX and 5MB on the card was my e-mail bits & pieces and address book, diary etc. My outlook data file is currently 44MB. In exchange for this six-fold increase, I would be hard pressed to name any functionality I now have that I lacked before. I only use Outlook (full 2002 version) because it synchronises with my Jornada. Before that I was using Post/LX on the 200. I have to say that despite its miniscule size, it (Post/LX) is one of the most (useful) feature packed and nicest-to-use e-mail clients I've tried. I miss it. Liking or disliking a product is sometimes a hard-to-define feeling. I must say that having used other mailers (Post/LX, Pegasus, Turnpike, Pine, Psion 5) there's something really horrid about Outlook that's hard to put your finger on (quite apart from the niggles listed above). Try this analogy: after reading a few books, some stand out as classics, in content and style. Outlook then reminds me of a comic; it's got some fun moments but it is hard to treat it as a serious, professional product. Please don't take this as an attack on your opinions in any way. It's hard when something you like gets knocked, and if it you like it, then that's great. I must like it a bit, because I'm using it at the moment, but it does have some really questionable "features". -- Chris Randle ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:22:35 +0100 Reply-To: Chris Randle Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Randle Subject: Re: And more Lotus questions (for lxgluc) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > Behalf Of Daniel Hertrich > Sent: 28 May 2002 15:38 > > >On Tue, 28 May 2002 11:05:31 +0100, Yves Leurquin > > wrote: > > > {HOME}{Right}{END}{DOWN}{DOWN} would do what you want > > provided that the list is contiguous. > > Thanks. > This was the first thing I tried, but in the beginning, the > list is empty, and then it takes me to row 8192. :-) And > since there are others who are interested in using this > spreadsheet I want to make it work consistently, no matter if > it already contains data or not. Bit late now, probably, but what about: {HOME}{R}{IF @COUNT(B1..B8192)>0}{END}{D}{D} That way it only goes to the end of the list if there's something in the list. -- Chris Randle ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 03:58:59 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question Comments: To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Thanks. This is probably close to what I want (tho there's no sushi listed > ). Hey, if you find data, let some of us know (G) Maybe it depends on the generousity of the chef's slices (G) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:16:58 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: And more Lotus questions (for lxgluc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:22:35 +0100, Chris Randle = wrote: > Bit late now, probably, but what about: > {HOME}{R}{IF @COUNT(B1..B8192)>0}{END}{D}{D} > That way it only goes to the end of the list if there's something in = the > list. hey, great! Thanks! That could be exactly what I need. I'll keep it in mind (or better: in a mind map ;-) ) and use it for the next version of LXGLUC. Thanks! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:52:29 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I have made a batch file called from peh.bat after saving the body of a created message in post/lx, which converts all German special characters to ASCII-equivalents, to avoid problems if someone who canno decide MIME reads my mails (=F6 -> oe etc). However, this only converts the message body contents, not the header. I have seen that the header is also opened as post.hed, but there the uplauts are already encoded somehow. Here is an example for the encoding of the =FC in the header: Mehr Formel-Erzeugung =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=3DFCr_Internet...?=3D So my batch file cannot convert that to "ue". Does anyone know how to avoid this ISO encoding? Is this also MIME encoding? Why is the header handled seperately from the body? If I switch off MIME in Post/LX (Alt-I), the umlauts in the header are still encoded that way. Also: I often get mails, in which Post/LX shows the header data as pasted above, i.e. it doesn't decode the umlauts. Does anyone know the reason? Seems to be only sometimes, not always. And only in the header. Another approach for the header could be a Post/LX macro, I thought, but these macros don't work for some reason (=FC, =F6, =E4): #1681=3D#1675#1265 #1894=3D#186f#1265 #1e84=3D#1e61#1265 Does anyone have an idea why? They don't simply have any effect. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:45:42 -0600 Reply-To: hplx@sirveiss.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jeff V Subject: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I was recently playing with emm200 on my 200lx 2x 6M & 200lx 2x 2M but couldn't get it to work on either. On the 6M, CHKDSK EMM200.DAT kept telling me the file was non-contiguous and on the 2M, CHKDSK would tell me it was contiguous but the driver at boottime would tell me it's not. I'm actually trying to find something I can use to run lots of EXM programs at once (I keep running out of memory). Everything I've read about Software Carousel says it allows you to run multiple DOS programs but no mention of EXM programs. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! -Jeff ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:44:16 +0200 Reply-To: bjornn1@START.NO Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Lillebjorn Nilsen Subject: Re: Post/lx strip attachment Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Avi. The "brute force" metod works fine! Lillebjorn (Polar Bear?) On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:29:13 -0700, hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > Hi Nordic Bear: > > My multiple attachment emails work fine. I tried a few using Edora, > Mail2web.com client, Yahoo.com and post/LX. > > I am guessing now: It is possible that your correspondent uses an email > package which makes its own rules how to attach, and consequently = Post/LX > hasn't got a chance. I have seen this happen with Outlook Express and > Outlook. MS is large enough to make their own rules (?) and consequently= > things can awry when other email packages try to work with it. I > occasionally have troubles seeing in Eudora any attachments made by = Outlock > Express, for example. > > In any case: you can use a bit of brute force to get rid of attachments > like this: > > Close down POST/LX. Use PE or some other capable text editor that can = see > the XXXX.I file where the attachments are. MEMO is too lame! ------------------- Lillebjorn Nilsen, Oslo Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:31:53 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have some questions about memory PC-cards. I have now a 200lx 2mb with 512K HPF1003A SRAM card. But i want some more memory, something like 32 MB. Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB ATA Flash PC-Card? Do those cards work on the 200lx? And another thing: is it possible to use modem in the 200lx and connect it to my nokia 3310 to dial up? What kind of cable do i need for that? What is the highest speed i could get with that? Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:45:20 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: extra storage In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > I have some questions about memory PC-cards. I have now a 200lx 2mb wit= h > 512K HPF1003A SRAM card. But i want some more memory, something like 32= MB. > Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB ATA Flash PC-Card= ? Do > those cards work on the 200lx? Yes, they will. Buy a good one to avoid problems (SanDisk, Dane-Elec, Kodak, ...) > And another thing: is it possible to use modem in the 200lx and connect= it > to my nokia 3310 to dial up? What kind of cable do i need for that? Wha= t is > the highest speed i could get with that? From the Nokia site, the 3310 doesn't have any modem in it. It *may* be possible to surf with the 3310, but only with a 'soft-modem'. I don't kno= w of any soft-modem software for DOS. If such software for the 6150 existed= , I'd be really interested... until I change my GSM. ;) --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Ce ne sont que des propositions. Je ne veux pas les faire passer en force. Je pense que si mes id=E9es doivent =EAtre reprises, elles ne doivent pas passer au vote, pour plusieurs raison : -+- BC in : http://neuneu.ctw.cc - Neuneu sans vote et sans forcer -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:49:03 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Other than that, how is Outlook more > prone to spreading a virus through your system than any other Win > mailer that displays HTML messages and allows file attachments? > The list of holes in Outlook is as long as the list of viruses, worms and trojans that have been created to exploit them. And *that* list is a matter of public record. Is Outlook bad because of sloppy programming? Probably not. My opinion is that Outlook is bad because of *arrogant* programming. Microsoft believes that it knows better than the user how the program should be used. And so Microsoft created Outlook with thousands of hidden trapdoors, hooks and resources which can be used by Windows, Internet Explorer, and any other Microsoft applications, without the consent (or even the knowledge) of the user. It's these trapdoors that virus writers exploit again and again. Granted, part of the problem is that Microsoft is virtually a monopoly. So if a programmer wants to cause the most trouble, they'll target a Microsoft product. But does Microsoft have to make it so easy for them? I guess the solution is either: A) Force MS to create applications that do only what the user wants, not what MS wants. B) Stop MS's monopoly. Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:38:40 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: philips velo 500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I saw philips velo 500 on a site for not so many euros. Does someone has experience with this thing? Better than 200lx? -Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:27:51 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sat, 8 Jun 2002 10:50:24 +1200 (NZT) 10h57m55s ago ... On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:52:29 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Mehr Formel-Erzeugung =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=FCr_Internet...?= > > So my batch file cannot convert that to "ue". > Does anyone know how to avoid this ISO encoding? Daniel, AFAIK the headers are always 7 bit. ISO is a way of encoding 8 bit characters in 7 bit characters. > Is this also MIME encoding? Yes the "=FC" is effectively MIME encoded "quoted printable" with charset=ISO-8859-1 > Why is the header handled seperately from the body? Good question - the MIME encoding headers refer to the "content" of the message, or it's body, which can be 8-bit or 7-bit. The headers themselves can only be 7-bit apparently (I don't know why this is - probably historical reasons are behind it). So, any encoding *in* the headers has to be somehow embedded in them and the ?ISO and ?Q .. must be a standard that evolved for this. > If I switch off MIME in Post/LX (Alt-I), the umlauts in the > header are still encoded that way. Yup, MIME just refers to the body. > Also: I often get mails, in which Post/LX shows the header data as > pasted above, i.e. it doesn't decode the umlauts. Does anyone know the > reason? Seems to be only sometimes, not always. And only in the > header. I have seen this rarely. I always find it interesting - usually an unusual mail client is used - and the formatting is shall we say "non-standard". POST/LX is not endowed with sufficient AI to make a best guess of what the client intended. > Another approach for the header could be a Post/LX macro, I thought, > but these macros don't work for some reason > (|, v, d): > #1681=#1675#1265 > #1894=#186f#1265 > #1e84=#1e61#1265 > > Does anyone have an idea why? They don't simply have any effect. Sorry I don't know why. It's hard to modify a header in POST/LX, other than manually. PEH.SCR does decode that ?ISO stuff, using SR.EXE and a table (So the From: name appears nicely in the topline). And, if I come across a non-standard encoding I usually modify the script a little, just for fun :) ROBOWEB/LX does the same, using tables provided - it does encoding/decoding if necessary, to make the "From:" headers display nicely for the articles received in the inbox. BTW I just uploaded a new roboweb.zip to http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ which has a new RWEB.O (the file of sample digs). This was needed because Yahoo changed their wireless news to an .XML scheme. Also I found the elusive NY Times "omnisky" pages. Plus I added a "Slashdot" dig. And "the Onion" and a couple of others. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:52:31 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: for SED users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit plse advise: Which SYNOPSIS sed [-n] [-g] [-e script] [-f sfilename] [filename ] do i use to remove spaces before and after paragraph markers (aka hard returns)? Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:32:26 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: for SED users Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud In-Reply-To: <007c01c20ea0$e3d15be0$4d5a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:17:43 +1200 (NZT) Dear Dr Nat. :) This is just a total guess. I am not sure what you mean by deleting spaces after a hard return. Maybe one or both of these sed scripts will do what you want: # flushes spaces tabs s/^[ \t]*// # deletes consecutive lines with whitespace /[^ \t]/,/^[ \t]*$/!d The above are in a file called RWSEDTX1.TXT which is part of ROBOWEB/LX. sed.exe -f rwsedtx1.txt file1.txt > file2.txt takes file1.txt and makes file2.txt. file2.txt will never have 2 consecutuve blank lines, and also every line of text will be flush left. So a file1.txt like: Hello Dr. Nat Can you give us an example file? .. and show us what you want the output to be. becomes: Hello Dr. Nat Can you give us an example file? .. and show us what you want the output to be. HTH, - Tony ----- 01h25m12s ago ... On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:52:31 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > plse advise: > Which SYNOPSIS sed [-n] [-g] [-e script] [-f sfilename] > [filename ] do i use to remove spaces before and after > paragraph markers (aka hard returns)? > > Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:21:06 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: O2-DE GPRS Comments: To: dabeta@dasoft.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Service provider: O2-DE I use GPRS connected to a Nokia 6310 via IrDA. This is my GPRS section in = the www.cfg: [GPRS_O2] Port=3D-1 OmniGo=3D0 PPP=3D1 Modem=3D1 Baud=3D38400 My_IP=3D DNS_IP=3D195.182.096.028 DNS2_IP=3D195.182.096.061 Script=3DCHAP_Script Login=3D Dial=3D*99# Password=3D ModemInit=3DAT&F+CGDCONT=3D1,"IP", "internet" Magic=3D0 Compress=3D0 There is no Login=3D and no Password=3D required. Kind regards Helmuth ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:09:50 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: for SED users In-Reply-To: <007c01c20ea0$e3d15be0$4d5a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > plse advise: > Which SYNOPSIS sed [-n] [-g] [-e script] [-f sfilename] [filename ] do = i use > to remove spaces before and after paragraph markers (aka hard returns)? Since sed only deals with classic text files, maybe you could define what a paragraph marker is, and what a 'hard return' is. One you defined this, some regexps can be easily given. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- NT n'a pas pu initialiser le fichier de partage de la partition de d=E9marrage pour le vidage sur incident. Ceci est peut-=EAtre d=FB au fai= t que le syst=E8me ne dispose plus que de 3,8 Go de m=E9moire physique. -+- Windows NT in GNU : Giga ou giga pas ? Si c'est comme =E7a, je me cra= she. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:24:15 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: AW: O2-DE GPRS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helmuth wrote: Service provider: O2-DE.. I use gprs on O2 with a NOKIA6310 for some time now too. In my setup DNS_IP and DNS2_IP ist left out and MODEMInit=AT&F Obviously that works as well. All teething trouble has gone since we can use the new version of www/lx Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:35:51 +0200 Reply-To: Frederic Vincent Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frederic Vincent Subject: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know a solution to connect the HP200 wireless to a desktop = and/or telephone modem? Not via IrDa, but via radio wireless like HomeRF, = Bluetooth or DECT. Thanks, Frederic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:07:14 -0700 Reply-To: patrick@west.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Patrick West Subject: Derive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone was looking for Derive recently. Here is someone on ebay selling a 95lx with the Derive pcmcia= card and manual. < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1358697002 = > -- Patrick West, patrick@west.net on 06/08/2002 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:33:24 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Derive In-Reply-To: <20020609000717.TFXW11426.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@d1-xp-pro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Patrick West wrote: > Someone was looking for Derive recently. > > Here is someone on ebay selling a 95lx with the Derive pcmcia card and = manual. > < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1358697002 > Whow! Derive on a PCMCIA ROM card... Just designed for an HP95/100/200LX... Fun. But expensive. I don't have the price of a classic DOS version of Derive though. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- les accusations de malhonnetet=E9 sont fond=E9es sur des arguments incontestables cf. tous les posts d'Alain Beyrand sur le fonctionnement du comit=E9. -+- BC in - Neuneu a tout compris non plus -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:41:59 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Carder Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm looking for a LX-compatible food guide showing the usual calorie, > carbohydrate grams, fat grams and protein grams per serving of food = items. > > Is Personal Food Analyst what I'm after? Personal Food Analyst will do what you want. PFA is designed to track = your daily intake and provide a running tally of your fat, Calcium, Vit. E = etc. You can use it to look up specific foods individually if you wish. Steven A. Carder M.D. PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:42:03 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Carder Subject: Re: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I was recently playing with emm200 on my 200lx 2x 6M & 200lx 2x 2M but > couldn't get it to work on either. On the 6M, CHKDSK EMM200.DAT kept > telling me the file was non-contiguous and on the 2M, CHKDSK would tell > me it was contiguous but the driver at boottime would tell me it's not. It is difficult to get a contiguous file. The disk needs to have a large = area of contiguous free space for this to work. Disks normally don't have contiguous free space, however. One option is to use a disk defragmenter program right before creating the *.dat file. Another option is to = backup your files and then delete everything on the drive. Obviously, if the drive = is empty, the free space will be contiguous. Once you have the contiguous = file created, then you can stop worrying about it. I have used emm200 sucessfully in the past. Currently, I am using TREMM, = the driver that came with my 64 Meg upgrade. Steve Carder PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:42:10 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Carder Subject: Re: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB ATA Flash PC-Card?= Do > those cards work on the 200lx? Yes, an ATA Flash card will work just fine. I would recommend SanDisk = brand. I have never heard of a SanDisk card not working in a 200LX, but some other brands are occasionally difficult. Steve Carder PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:30 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Memory question Comments: To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET In-Reply-To: <200206091442.KAA14468@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/9/02 -0400, Steve "Doc" Carder wrote: > > I was recently playing with emm200 on my 200lx 2x 6M & 200lx 2x 2M but > > couldn't get it to work on either. On the 6M, CHKDSK EMM200.DAT kept > > telling me the file was non-contiguous and on the 2M, CHKDSK would tell > > me it was contiguous but the driver at boottime would tell me it's not. > >It is difficult to get a contiguous file. The disk needs to have a large >area of contiguous free space for this to work. This is an onerous requirement, but considering the benefits, it is a tiny-tiny price to pay. I am sure you agree. >Disks normally don't have contiguous free space, however. One option is >to use a disk defragmenter program right before creating the *.dat file. Software Carousel comes with a program called OPTIMIZE which does the trick. >Another option is to backup your files and then delete everything on the >drive. Obviously, if the drive is empty, the free space will be contiguous. This is the easiest way to go! One small concern: the _dat subdirectory contains two or three files which are difficult to move because their attributes declare them as read-only, hidden, and/or system files. The trick for those: Run d:\_sys\attrib c:\_dat\*.* -s -r -h which removes the attributes and the files can now be copied and then deleted. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:50:06 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? Comments: To: Frederic Vincent In-Reply-To: <20020608183551.A962B21279@eowyn.vianetworks.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Frederic, The only way I can think of is using 802.11b (or 812.11a) but you need driver programs that will implement the protocol in the Palmtop. I doubt you will find ready-made drivers for ANY DOS, let alone one that will run with the 80186 chip (instructions set). Another severe issue to solve is that 802.11a or b use 250+++ mA to work and the palmtop's PCMCIA chassis provides 150mA nominally... Avi At 6/8/02 +0200, you wrote: >Does anyone know a solution to connect the HP200 wireless to a desktop >and/or telephone modem? Not via IrDa, but via radio wireless like HomeRF, >Bluetooth or DECT. > >Thanks, > >Frederic > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:07:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Derive Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Derive On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Patrick West wrote: > Someone was looking for Derive recently. > > Here is someone on ebay selling a 95lx with the Derive pcmcia card and manual. > < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358697002 > Whow! Derive on a PCMCIA ROM card... Just designed for an HP95/100/200LX... Fun. I would think that having it on a rom card would be a drawback. Much better to have it as software so you can use a memory card. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:23:25 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: ANN: LXPIC V7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Version 7.2 -Optional configuration file LXPIC.CFG (09-JUN-02) -Online display mode selection with {*} key -New command line switches: /=3D filename annunciator /] decrease slide show delay by 2 seconds /[ increase slide show delay by 2 seconds /& increase slide show delay by 1 minute -Bigger font for all VESA modes >=3D 1280x1024 -Path display while scanning subdirectories -B&W images are always visible now -Windows long filename bug fixed Download from: http://peichl.hplx.net/lxpic.zip This new version enhances the possibilities of using LXPIC as your default viewer for all Windows systems. This works much faster than the Windows default start of the Internet Explorer for viewing a single image. The new slide show command line switches are great for presentation purposes from batch files. This makes LXPIC one of the most flexible and sure the most portable picture viewer around. Many thanks to Tamas Feher and Steve Novosad for their help in improving LXPIC. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:01:06 -0400 Reply-To: Francois Gurin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Francois Gurin Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020609104707.00a593f0@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:50:06AM -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > The only way I can think of is using 802.11b (or 812.11a) but you need > driver programs that will implement the protocol in the Palmtop. I doubt > you will find ready-made drivers for ANY DOS, let alone one that will run > with the 80186 chip (instructions set). Another severe issue to solve is > that 802.11a or b use 250+++ mA to work and the palmtop's PCMCIA chassis > provides 150mA nominally... for what it's worth, there are two major chipsets of 802.11b currently in the market: the aegere orinoco and the intersil prism 2/2.5. The drivers are mostly interchangeable between cards of the same chipset, and orinoco cards have a dos driver with point enabler. Granted, I have not gotten these drivers to work with any computer in dos, but i've not tried too hard and only with 'exotic' hardware. The newest version of the driver can be found here: http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m52&envelope=90&page=3275 This doesn't mean it's going to work with the HP. I seem to remember the point enabler being specific to to intel pcmcia bridges and not loading on the hp. And powerwise these cards are beasts. --francois ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:26:51 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? Comments: To: Francois Gurin In-Reply-To: <20020609180106.GA23675@shot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Very interesting! Indeed the driver is for DOS and it is not specified if it requires a high DOS version or not. Could work. One more item to figure out or bypass: Orinoco card requires 185mA to receive and 185 mA to send. I suppose using an externally powered PC extender will do the trick. Avi At 6/9/02 -0400, you wrote: >On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:50:06AM -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > > The only way I can think of is using 802.11b (or 812.11a) but you need > > driver programs that will implement the protocol in the Palmtop. I doubt > > you will find ready-made drivers for ANY DOS, let alone one that will run > > with the 80186 chip (instructions set). Another severe issue to solve is > > that 802.11a or b use 250+++ mA to work and the palmtop's PCMCIA chassis > > provides 150mA nominally... > >for what it's worth, there are two major chipsets of 802.11b currently in >the market: the aegere orinoco and the intersil prism 2/2.5. The drivers >are mostly interchangeable between cards of the same chipset, and orinoco >cards have a dos driver with point enabler. >Granted, I have not gotten these drivers to work with any computer in dos, >but i've not tried too hard and only with 'exotic' hardware. > >The newest version of the driver can be found here: >http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m52&envelope=90&page=3275 > >This doesn't mean it's going to work with the HP. I seem to remember the >point enabler being specific to to intel pcmcia bridges and not loading >on the hp. And powerwise these cards are beasts. > >--francois > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:11:08 -0700 Reply-To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Longden Loo Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm looking for a LX-compatible food guide showing the usual calorie, > > carbohydrate grams, fat grams and protein grams per serving of food items. > > > > Is Personal Food Analyst what I'm after? > > Personal Food Analyst will do what you want. PFA is designed to track your > daily intake and provide a running tally of your fat, Calcium, Vit. E etc. You > can use it to look up specific foods individually if you wish. Thanks. Now I just need to decide if the daily card swap is worth the trouble . I looked into converting that nutrition database ( http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR14/sr14.html) into something more usable on the LX, but I'm finding these days it's easier to buy than to build a solution (at least till I join Barry in retirement). A heavy work schedule gives me less time but more money. I wonder if anyone's put together a nice set of applications on any handheld to track daily/weekly nutrition information (ie total calories/protein/carbohydrate intake and expenditure), so you could track progress on how much you've eaten vs how much you've burned (by providing activity information as well as foods). Seems like a nice application for a cheap throwaway Palm Pilot. Anyway, I've placed the order for PFA (Hal/Thaddeus ... the order is coming your way) ... maybe it'll even have the sushi information? - Longden ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:23:51 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: As new 200LX on Ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have for sale a Like New 200LX on Ebay. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359070905 List members will get a $10 discount on the price+shipping if they buy. ( provided you notify me before paying ;-) Michel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:57:11 -0700 Reply-To: patrick@west.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Patrick West Subject: Re: Derive Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <003501c20fcf$dac9cb60$5c0d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:07:38 -0500, Barry wrote: >I would think that having it on a rom card would be a drawback. >Much better to have it as software so you can use a memory= card. > I agree with that. I have Derive for DOS 2.60 and Derive for Windows, also a ti-89 and the DOS version, which I can use on my= 100lx, is much nicer than having it builtin to the ti-89 -- Patrick West, patrickwest3@attbi.com on 06/09/2002 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:11:30 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: SED script MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ahhh, Tony, what would i do without your brilliance :) ... i'd give up vor lauter Verzweiflung.. >This is just a total guess. I am not sure what you mean by >deleting spaces after a hard return. >Maybe one or both of these sed scripts will do what you want: > # flushes spaces tabs > s/^[ \t]*// ># deletes consecutive lines with whitespace > /[^ \t]/,/^[ \t]*$/!d the first one says "sed garbled command s/^[" and the second one says "sed garbled command /[^" what should the exact line be? >The above are in a file called RWSEDTX1.TXT which is part of ROBOWEB/LX. i have only ROBONEWS which doesn't seem to have rwsedtx1.txt you wrote: .. and show us what you want the output to be. That's exactly what i want it to be. As you are a professed user of LE.EXE you know that Alt+U+R won't format lines which start with a space or tab. ...back to you Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:19:13 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: Personal Food Analyst question Comments: To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > I'm looking for a LX-compatible food guide showing the usual calorie, > > > carbohydrate grams, fat grams and protein grams per serving of food > items. > > > > > > Is Personal Food Analyst what I'm after? > > > > Personal Food Analyst will do what you want. PFA is designed to track > your > > daily intake and provide a running tally of your fat, Calcium, Vit. E > etc. You > > can use it to look up specific foods individually if you wish. > > Thanks. Now I just need to decide if the daily card swap is worth the > trouble . I managed with hacking to move the pfa program and files to my a: drive. I hacked the name of the database (inside the exe?) I guess to shrink to fit and did some other odd directory configurations to get it to work but rarely use it. It runs in the 95's font/screen size - at least, the version I have does. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:25:23 -0600 Reply-To: Jeffrey Veiss Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jeffrey Veiss Subject: Re: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > At 6/9/02 -0400, Steve "Doc" Carder wrote: > > > I was recently playing with emm200 on my 200lx 2x 6M & 200lx 2x 2M but > > > couldn't get it to work on either. On the 6M, CHKDSK EMM200.DAT kept > > > telling me the file was non-contiguous and on the 2M, CHKDSK would tell > > > me it was contiguous but the driver at boottime would tell me it's not. > > > >It is difficult to get a contiguous file. The disk needs to have a large > >area of contiguous free space for this to work. On both palmtops, after Norton speedisk didn't do the trick, I initialized the internal disks and removed all files (hidden or otherwise) and ran MAKEEMS on a completely empty disk. After running MAKEEMS on the 6M palmtop, CHKDSK C: yielded some errors and CHKDSK EMM200.DAT kept telling me it was non-contiguous. On the 2M palmtop, CHKDSK C: yielded no errors and CHKDSK EMM200.DAT said it was contiguous, but the driver at boottime would tell me it was non-contiguous. I've also tried emm240 to no avail. Does anyone know where I can acquire TREMM so I can try that out? I have a version of Software Carousel but don't know what version it is. Does that have the capability to run more EXM programs than the standard 640k of RAM would allow or does it just allow you to run multiple DOS programs? Thanks for all your help! Please contact me if there are any further questions via internet mail at hplx@sirveiss.com. Thank you very much! Jeffrey Veiss, CCNA, CISSP, TICSA Sir Veiss, Inc. Network Engineer/System Administrator hplx@sirveiss.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:47:39 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: SED script In-Reply-To: <001301c2102c$db8f4400$af58933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:03 +1200 (NZT) Dear Dr. Nat - I have sent a little .zip file which should do the trick. 01h27m33s ago ... On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:11:30 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > > # flushes spaces tabs > > s/^[ \t]*// > ># deletes consecutive lines with whitespace > > /[^ \t]/,/^[ \t]*$/!d > > the first one says "sed garbled command s/^[" Oh sorry for the frustration - sed is inclined to say that if the slightest thing is wrong. > and the second one says "sed garbled command /[^" > > what should the exact line be? for example: sed "s/^[ \t]*//" filein.txt > fileout.txt should work. > .. and show us what you want > the output to be. > > That's exactly what i want it to be. Excellent! :) > As you are a professed user of LE.EXE you know that Alt+U+R > won't format lines which start with a space or tab. Oh good, the sed script flushes the TABs too. Hope it works :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:06:23 +1200 Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Roger Whitmarsh Subject: Re: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >I have used emm200 sucessfully in the past. >Currently, I am using TREMM, the >driver that came with my 64 Meg upgrade. It might be worth mentioning here that I am successfully using TREMM with my 8M DS. Maybe it will work with 6M? Cheers, Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:14:16 +1200 Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Roger Whitmarsh Subject: Re: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB >ATA Flash PC-Card? Do those cards work on the 200lx? If you buy a Sandisk 32M ATA card, try and get one dated later than 1998. I have one of that vintage and it is very slow. Strange, because my older 20M cards are fine for speed. Maybe I got a dud. Best speed of all is with a modern CF card in an adapter. My 64M noname (ACE actually) CF beats any of my 20M ATAs hands down, despite its much larger capacity. Luxury! Cheers, Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:03:55 +0000 Reply-To: Gregory Youdin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gregory Youdin Subject: Re: extra storage Comments: To: lodger@NZ1.IBM.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Roger Whitmarsh >Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh >To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu >Subject: Re: extra storage >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:14:16 +1200 > > > Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB > >ATA Flash PC-Card? Do those cards work on the 200lx? >If you buy a Sandisk 32M ATA card, try and get one dated >later than 1998. I have one of that vintage and it is very >slow. Strange, because my older 20M cards are fine for >speed. Maybe I got a dud. >Best speed of all is with a modern CF card in an adapter. >My 64M noname (ACE actually) CF beats any of my 20M ATAs >hands down, despite its much larger capacity. Luxury! >Cheers, Roger I just want to warn you about some problems with PQI CF cards... MY LX reported "card battery low" and sometimes card was unavailable untill you reseat it a couplw of times... The other two - MEMOREX and KINGSTONE 64M CFs working just fine. All the best, Gregory _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:27:51 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Yes the "=3DFC" is effectively MIME encoded "quoted printable" > with charset=3DISO-8859-1 > I have seen this rarely. I always find it interesting - > usually an unusual mail client is used - and the formatting is > shall we say "non-standard". POST/LX is not endowed with > sufficient AI to make a best guess of what the client > intended. I have found out that when character set ISO-8859-1 is used, Post/LX decodes it very well in the header. But as soon as amail comes which is ISO-8859-15 encoded (which is the new character set with the Euro symbol, thus more and more mails will probably be encoded that way in the future!), Post/LX displays the =3D?ISO... string instead of the decoded characters. I don't know the exact differences between 8859-1 and 8859-15, but I think they are very similar, except of the Euro symbol. So we should try to convince Andreas to support charset 15. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frederic On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:35:51 +0200, Frederic Vincent = wrote: > Does anyone know a solution to connect the HP200 wireless to a desktop = and/or telephone modem? Not via IrDa, but via radio wireless like HomeRF, > Bluetooth or DECT. > That would be nice, indeed! But unfortunately, 802.11b wLAN (and probably HomeRF, too) definitely need too much power. The 200LX PCMCIA slot cannot provide enough power for these kinds of cards. Bluetooth might work, power-wise, and DECT too, maybe, but what you still need is a DOS driver, and I really suspect that nobody writes DOS drivers anymore for these kinds of cards. But if you find anything, let us know! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:47 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Derive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Erwann On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:33:24 +0200, Erwann ABALEA = wrote: > Whow! Derive on a PCMCIA ROM card... Just designed for an > HP95/100/200LX... Fun. The standard versions of derive (i.e. not the ROM version) also have a 95LX graphics mode setting. At least my version has, it's v3.04. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:48 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi and Frederic On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:50:06 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > The only way I can think of is using 802.11b (or 812.11a) but you need > driver programs that will implement the protocol in the Palmtop. I = doubt > you will find ready-made drivers for ANY DOS, let alone one that will = run > with the 80186 chip (instructions set). Another severe issue to solve = is > that 802.11a or b use 250+++ mA to work and the palmtop's PCMCIA = chassis > provides 150mA nominally... Regarding power, and if you only want to se it at home, the Accurite Double Slot could be the solution. It has external power supply, so power may not be the problem enymore. And regarding the drivers: Orinoco has DOS drivers for the Orinoco Silver and/or Gold cards, I have tried to use such a card in my LX once, without success. The driver seemed to load, but of course the card didn't work because the LX didn't supply enough power. Somwhere on the wavelan orinoco website there is a download page with the DOS drivers. I got there via a site search. Don'T have the URL anymore... But well - with the double slot you _could_ have luck! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: And more Lotus questions (for lxgluc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel On Mon, 27 May 2002 18:22:47 +0200, Axel Berger = wrote: > I have not tried it, but what about adding to your macro: "scroll lock = on, > up eight times, scroll lock off"? I thought about that, too, but didn't find a macro command for switching scroll lock. Do you know the command? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeffrey On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:25:23 -0600, Jeffrey Veiss = wrote: > I have a version of Software Carousel but don't know what version it = is. > Does that have the capability to run more EXM programs than the standard > 640k of RAM would allow or does it just allow you to run multiple DOS > programs? If you need to run more EXM programs at once, you have to configure Software Carousel to run System Manager in more than one session. This can be done, but it is a little dangerous, because if you open databases in two sessions simultanously, you can easily corrupt them. SC has a mechanisms to avoid that, but I don't know if it's really reliable. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:00:36 +0200 Reply-To: Laust Brock-Nannestad Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Laust Brock-Nannestad Subject: Re: SED script In-Reply-To: <20020610044615.578CDD194D@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Tony Hutchins wrote: > for example: > > sed "s/^[ \t]*//" filein.txt > fileout.txt Keep in mind that \t as an escape for TAB isn't standard in sed so there's no guarentee it'll work on other DOS seds ports (and certainly not UNIX variants). Just something to keep in mind if you find yourself one day wondering why your scripts don't work even though they look perfectly valid (or worse, why they work on the LX but on that UNIX box you're using :-) Regards, Laust ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:18:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain What is the minimum file allocation size on these cards? If the smaller card has more allocation units, it will appear to be slower than a larger card with fewer units. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Whitmarsh [mailto:lodger@NZ1.IBM.COM] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:14 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: extra storage > Would it be good to sell the SRAM card and buy a 32MB >ATA Flash PC-Card? Do those cards work on the 200lx? If you buy a Sandisk 32M ATA card, try and get one dated later than 1998. I have one of that vintage and it is very slow. Strange, because my older 20M cards are fine for speed. Maybe I got a dud. Best speed of all is with a modern CF card in an adapter. My 64M noname (ACE actually) CF beats any of my 20M ATAs hands down, despite its much larger capacity. Luxury! Cheers, Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:05:54 +0200 Reply-To: Frederic Vincent Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frederic Vincent Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Avi and Daniel for the feedback, I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. On the web, I saw a Bluetooth - rs232 adapter that looks very promissing: www.anycom.com/products/rs232.html It might be powered via the rs232, and drieven with a few AT commands. It could be the Holy Graal I am looking for... Imagine yourself doing your PostLx email and browsing or sending/receiving faxes from your coach... without paying anything to your mobile operator. Frederic > Hi Avi and Frederic > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:50:06 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > > > The only way I can think of is using 802.11b (or 812.11a) but you = need > > driver programs that will implement the protocol in the Palmtop. I = doubt > > you will find ready-made drivers for ANY DOS, let alone one that will = run > > with the 80186 chip (instructions set). Another severe issue to solve = is > > that 802.11a or b use 250+++ mA to work and the palmtop's PCMCIA = chassis > > provides 150mA nominally... > > Regarding power, and if you only want to se it at home, the Accurite > Double Slot could be the solution. It has external power supply, so > power may not be the problem enymore. > > And regarding the drivers: > Orinoco has DOS drivers for the Orinoco Silver and/or Gold cards, I > have tried to use such a card in my LX once, without success. > The driver seemed to load, but of course the card didn't work because > the LX didn't supply enough power. > Somwhere on the wavelan orinoco website there is a download page with > the DOS drivers. I got there via a site search. Don'T have the URL > anymore... > > But well - with the double slot you _could_ have luck! > > GTX > daniel > > -- > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:00:26 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? Comments: To: Frederic Vincent In-Reply-To: <20020610170554.B28AD2110A@eomer.vianetworks.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: Fredric's: >I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. >On the web, I saw a Bluetooth - rs232 adapter that looks very promissing: >www.anycom.com/products/rs232.html ... Same site has a Bluetooth PC Card that *only* draws 70 ma when transmitting(!): http://www.anycom.com/products/pccard.html Isn't the LX "Max" 150 ma? I know the drivers aren't necessarily there (YET), but could this card work? Before I get too excited, the product specs also say: It's "PCMCIA type 2" and "16 bit," do THOSE specs. knock it out of the "LX-realm" altogether? re: >Imagine... "couch browsing" etc. "Nuthin' but net!" Sounds good to me. Who can make it work ? --tim PS. The engineers on the list can tell me if the proper abbr. for milliamp is "ma" or "Ma" (I confess in advance to 1-forgetting and 2-losing my ref. book!). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:21:38 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Can't seem to make Post/LX or Robonews/LX get newsgroups.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm finally getting around to setting up Post/LX again (small hiatus, when I moved out of dial-up range from my old ISP). Anyway, I've never used Post/LX for newsgroup reading and am now trying. I downloaded the newest of everything (I think) and was going through the detailed "Robonews/LX" setup... Got as far as the "demo mode" and it didn't download any (supposed to download 10; then you register it and get more). I've already entered the serial number in the .cfg file (perhaps too soon ... I did THAT a long time ago, when I got the info, via email). There's an "nntpdemo" entry in my Post/LX mailbox, and it's "H" and "up arrow" (trying to download headers and upload any posts). SBC Global has a few newsgroup servers, some require login's, heck they ALL might require login. I've tried the Houston one (that's supposed to let me post w/ login) and the one that's just supposed to let you read [ news.sbcglobal.net ]. Neither has worked. Is there another place in my .cfg files that should hold my logon and password? I have a hunch that I could be mixing and mingling products, as there seem to be a couple of "robo-things." I *DO* see that my "normal" (old) Post/LX newsgroup mailbox is looking for a program called "news2.exe" which isn't on my LX anywhere and doesn't seem to be in the update distributions. I was a Post/LX ver 2.something user and have followed the updates along the way to 3.x, I'm currently at ver. 3.1a. I can prob. "switch" to the "simple" version, if anyone knows where this news2.exe is. I don't think I'll be "robo-anything" yet, BUT would like to do all the cool web page digging, I keep hearing so much about on the list. I've switched to Southwestern Bell Communications (this email addr.) and am using my cell phone as an external modem and I can get and send email with no difficulty. I've never had success w/ newsgroups on the LX, BUT I've never tried (just mentioning it to let folks know that there's no "known configuration that works" to fall back on). TIA for any help! --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:26:00 +1200 Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Roger Whitmarsh Subject: Re: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Robert wrote: >What is the minimum file allocation size on these cards? >If the smaller card has more allocation units, it will >appear to be slower than a larger card with fewer units. True, but all my cards, 20M, 32M and the 64M CF all have allocation units of 2048, so that's not the answer to the slowness of the 32M card. As I said, maybe I got a dud. Cheers, Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:03:46 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Can't seem to make Post/LX or Robonews/LX get newsgroups.... In-Reply-To: <000701c210bc$71256f50$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:45:55 +1200 (NZT) 24m17s ago ... On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:21:38 -0500, Tim wrote: > Got as far as the "demo mode" and it didn't download any (supposed to Hi Tim, I can probably help but would need to know what exactly seemed to happen - did you see it trying to access a newsgroup for example? If the newsgroup requires a Login you just need to have something like this in either the server section or the newsgroup box section in ROBOT.CFG: Login=tim Password=xxxx where the Password is in *clear* text. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:02:47 +0200 Reply-To: Frederic Vincent Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frederic Vincent Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim, Although I have some difficulties with spelling 'couch', as an engineer = by background, I can help you with the milli Ampere, abbreviated mA :) 70mA should definitely fit with the card port, but I am still looking at = the rs232 port because all my software is running from a Flash card that = fills my PC card port. But I am not sure that the 70mA can be drawn from = the HP200 serial port. I am inquiring if the adapter can be powered from the serial port with = Anycom. If the price for the adapter is fair, I might give it a try and = let all you know. Let's hope... Frederic > re: Fredric's: > > >I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. > >On the web, I saw a Bluetooth - rs232 adapter that looks very promissin= g: > > >www.anycom.com/products/rs232.html > ... > > Same site has a Bluetooth PC Card that *only* draws 70 ma when > transmitting(!): > > http://www.anycom.com/products/pccard.html > > Isn't the LX "Max" 150 ma? > > I know the drivers aren't necessarily there (YET), but could this card = work? > > Before I get too excited, the product specs also say: It's "PCMCIA type = 2" > and "16 bit," do THOSE specs. knock it out of the "LX-realm" altogether? > > re: > >Imagine... > "couch browsing" etc. > > "Nuthin' but net!" Sounds good to me. > > Who can make it work ? > > --tim > PS. The engineers on the list can tell me if the proper abbr. for = milliamp > is "ma" or "Ma" (I confess in advance to 1-forgetting and 2-losing my = ref. > book!). > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:37:33 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Subject: Riziko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1466747700-1023748653=:35554" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1466747700-1023748653=:35554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by email? The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very much. Thanx a lot and best wishes! Ricardo Liso --------------------------------- Non perderti un solo gol! Iscriviti al FIFA Vip Club --0-1466747700-1023748653=:35554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello all,
Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by email?
The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very much. Thanx a lot and best wishes!

Ricardo Liso


Non perderti un solo gol!
Iscriviti al FIFA Vip Club --0-1466747700-1023748653=:35554-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:07 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:31:36 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > The single most advantage in using > Pegasus is it has an inline html viewer which does not use IE. So you > can view html messages without the fear of scripts running and loading > a virus on your system. That is the main hole in Outlook and Express. > As long as it is coupled with IE and allows scripts viruses will be > able to get in the system. Thanks John. The fact that Outlook uses IE as its HTML viewer does seem to open more security holes, in addition to slowing everything down when I do want to read an HTML message and IE is closed, as it usually is. > I've only had my earthlink mailbox for a few months so it seems very > odd that I have been getting as many virus ridden emails as I have. I posted a message about Earthlink a couple of months back. When I transferred my cable modem service to Earthlink I set up the account I am using for this list as a secondary e-mail account. However, I did not use it for ANYTHING for about three months after it was set up. When I finally transferred my list address from my old provider to the new Earthlink address, I found about 50 e-mail messages, all SPAM, waiting in the new and never used e-mail account. I contacted Earthlink support to see if there was some sort of directory that current customers could use to find user names. They said no. Either my "new" account name had been used by someone else in the past, or the SPAMmers were using computer programs to generate random names and just trying them to see if they worked or bounced. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:09 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:19:33 +0800, Adrian Ho wrote: > I assume you're familiar with the list of security-related > Outlook/OE bugfixes? If not, go to www.microsoft.com/security, > type "outlook security bulletin" in the Search field, and > start reading. I know there are security problems with Outlook. The question was: are there many more viruses that hit Outlook because Outlook is more vulnerable than other mailers or just because it is used by so many more people that it has become the favorite target for virus writers. > That said, my sis uses Pegasus Mail and has had zero problems > with viruses thus far (and I'm referring to the ones that > get past Norton AntiVirus, also running on her machine). > I don't use Windows for mail processing anymore, so I can't > comment on personal experience. I'm glad your sister has not had problems, but her experience does not answer the question of why? Is it because Pegasus is more virus resistant or because the client base for Pegasus is so much smaller than Outlook that virus authors have not bothered to write viruses that target Pegasus? > Speaking of data, where's yours? My only claim is this: I agree with you and others on this list that Outlook and OE seem to be the target of most e-mail viruses. I was only asking if that is because they are more vulnerable to viruses than other e-mail programs, or because they are so much more popular and therefore the platform that virus writers choose to target? Do you disagree that Outlook and OE are used by far more users than other e-mail programs? What other data do I need to ask this question? Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:13 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Don Miller wrote: > > One very good example is Nimda, which exploits the (uniquely Outlook) > CLSID vulnerability to run silently and without being opened. Anyone > interested may see, for example: > > http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32nimdaa.html Thanks Don for this and the other issues. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:20 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:47:02 +0100, Chris Randle wrote: > I'll chip in if you don't mind? Some things I hate: > > 1) Hit reply. Everything set up for top posting. It's extra work to get > it all moved about for bottom posting. Seems logical to me. I used Exchange and then Outlook for years in a corporate environment. Having the replies at the top of the message made them much easier to find, while preserving the whole thread for those interested. > 2) Reply to an HTML post and you get HTML, even though your settings are > for text e-mail only. Go to Format->Plain Text and it dutifully converts > it to text, but loses the quoting marks, so you either give in and post > HTML or else have to add loads of ">" symbols everywhere. Again, it doesn't seem unreasonable that a reply is formatted the same as the original message. This doesn't imply that you have to like it. > 3) Signatures are anything you like. There's no clue anywhere that a > proper sig should begin "-- ". First you beat up MS for forcing us to do things their way, and now you are unhappy because they are giving the user the freedom to use any signature they like. Who determines what a "proper" signature should be? > 4) Rules for message moving based on content/subject etc. have a mind of > their own. It has a junk e-mail folder that it sends some mail to > despite the fact there's no rule for it. Some HPLX stuff gets sent > there. It's an internal thing, there's no configuration for it. Someone > suggested to me that it might be based on the senders server being > black-listed, but even if it is, there's no way to override it. > Sometimes the mail is copied there, sometimes moved so you can't just go > in there and delete it because it might be the only copy. What Junk Folder? I have Outlook 2000, and used earlier versions way back to Exchange. Never had a junk mail folder. > 5) Every default setting seems designed to lead people into "bad" habits > like HTML & top posting. I always have the feeling that the people that > wrote it never even heard of RFC's, let alone read any. They're too used > to making the rules to suddenly start following any. I don't like many of the default settings either, but they can be changed. > 6) Generally speaking, it has the feeling that it's full of gee-whizz > features bunged willy-nilly wherever anybody felt like it, without any > underlying purity of design. It's a leviathan that ends up getting in > your way constantly. I agree that you disagree with the design of Outlook. But does this design make it more prone to virus attacks? That was the issue here. > 7) It's files are HUGE. I used to do all my e-mail on an 8MB 200LX with > a 48MB CF card. About 2MB on LX and 5MB on the card was my e-mail bits & > pieces and address book, diary etc. My outlook data file is currently > 44MB. In exchange for this six-fold increase, I would be hard pressed to > name any functionality I now have that I lacked before. My Outlook files are typically 80MB. But they contain large attachments that would stop a 200LX dead in its tracks. I do have a 2K message on my 200LX that because 5K when sent to Outlook on my laptop, but some of that is fixed overhead. This message did not get expanded by a factor of 6 and suspect that larger messages would have a smaller multiplier. > Please don't take this as an attack on your opinions in any way. It's > hard when something you like gets knocked, and if it you like it, then > that's great. I don't like Outlook that much, but think it is OK for my purposes. I really don't like MS business practices or design philosophy at all. However, it does bother me when people confuse their dislike for product features with issues such as virus vulnerability. (Not that you have done this ) Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:24 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:49:03 -0400, Bruce Martin wrote: > The list of holes in Outlook is as long as the list of viruses, worms and > trojans that have been created to exploit them. And *that* list is a matter > of public record. Most software has holes. I am experimenting with Linux and just about every day I get an e-mail from Red Hat about a problem or security hole that has been fixed. When I load Mandrake Linux I get a warning that Webmin has possible security issues. [snip] > I guess the solution is either: > A) Force MS to create applications that do only what the user wants, not > what MS wants. > B) Stop MS's monopoly. Last time I checked MS did not have a monopoly, though THEY wish they had . You can't declare something a monopoly just because most people choose to use it. For "office" products there is the Word Perfect suite, used by a large number of government agencies and now Star Office seems to be developing well. Large corporations and government agencies are setting up Linux systems. As for the MS "tax" on new computers, I agree that is a problem, but only on complete systems from major vendors. I just assembled a new PIII desktop. Purchased a case, mobo, CPU, RAM, HD, CD-ROM and CD-R/W. No MS tax on these and I got exactly the parts I wanted. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:36 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: removing space after hard return (aka paragragh marker) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:16:00 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > Is there a smaller word processor that can do that? LE.exe only removes > spaces BEFORE the hrd.ret. > cheers You can do this with Wordstar 4. Takes 500K or less of disk space. But after using WS you have to strip off the high bit from certain characters and also remove CTRL-Z from the end of the file. I have a small program in C that does this. In fact, that C program could be modified to do exactly what you want all by itself. Send a sample of the file you want processed to me at vicroberts@earthlink.net (not this address) with a sample of the desired output. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:03:15 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: SED challenges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the solution came from Weemeng (Singapore HP/Compaq) using SED ver 1.09: sed -e "s/^ file://g" 9 > 9a del 9 ren 9a 9 formats file 9 to remove the space in the beginning of all lines and now the next challange using SED .. a batch file which fromats text: 1. converts all tabs into spaces. 2. delets all cnsecutive spaces but one. 3 deletes all consecutice hard returns (aka crriage ret. / end of line line marker / paragraph marker)? but two. 4. removes a space at the beginning of all lines good fun on a rainy cool day in the barn Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:59:17 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has happened several of times that people write a message to me and only written the important message in th subject field. Thus unreadable when they use the swedish letters =E5=E4=F6. Like: Subject: Re: =3D?iso-8859-1?B?dGVzdCDFxKjl5PY=3D?=3D It is interesting that is say iso-8859-1 and not 8859-15. It is from a Lotus Notes client. I have asked Avi for a fix but he say that it is not a part of the standard. PLEASE ANDREAS, FIX IT! Daniel Hertrich wrote: ... > I have found out that when character set ISO-8859-1 is used, Post/LX > decodes it very well in the header. But as soon as amail comes which is > ISO-8859-15 encoded (which is the new character set with the Euro > symbol, thus more and more mails will probably be encoded that way in > the future!), Post/LX displays the =3D?ISO... string instead of the > decoded characters. > I don't know the exact differences between 8859-1 and 8859-15, but I > think they are very similar, except of the Euro symbol. > So we should try to convince Andreas to support charset 15. ... /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:52:40 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Victor Roberts wrote: > while preserving the > whole thread for those interested. NO! RIDs and references are much older than OE, they ARE the standard and they MUST be correctly written. The whole thread is already on everyone's disk and anyone quoting more than necessary and/or not writing an RID shoud be hit on his head with a very big stick. Bill Gates is NOT god and it s not up to him to rewrite all the rules. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:07:46 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Yet another way to make a serial connector for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Philip Pemberton wrote: > BTW, anyone know where (preferably in the UK) I can get a Nokia 2110 or > similar phone for my 700LX? Last time I looked, there were plenty going cheaply on ebay, check ebay Germany if it is not so in the UK. I already have have more than ten and still get more, when they are bundled with accessories I want. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:42:39 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Randle wrote: > 1) Hit reply. Everything set up for top posting. It's extra work to get > it all moved about for bottom posting. I agree to everything you say except that. I used not to quote. When asked to do so here, I set up netscape to begin above the full quote, as the first and most important thing I will want to do is start trimming the quote and I want to begin at the top. A question to all: I have no virus scanner. Can I assume that using netscape with Javascript turned off and never running executable attachments except when knowing both who they are from and what they are, I am pretty safe and not the culprit? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:32:22 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: Re: extra storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is a SimpleTech 48MB good? i can get one for 30 euro and two for 50 euro. Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:23:18 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic I didn't really follow that tread, but anyway here are my comments: On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:09 -0700, Victor Roberts wrote: > I know there are security problems with Outlook. The question > was: are there many more viruses that hit Outlook because > Outlook is more vulnerable than other mailers or just because it > is used by so many more people that it has become the favorite > target for virus writers. It is a combination of these two points: 1. Many people use it, so virus developers focus on Outlook, because their viruses will get most popular if they spread it via Outlook. And this is the reason why Outlook seems to be most vulnerable: The viruses spread via the _outlook_ address book, they make use of _outlook's_ mechanisms of running scripts etc.... AFAIK, Outlook runs scripts which are in embedded in the subject line of a mail, even without asking the receiving person if (s)he wants the script to be run! A very easy target for virus developers! However, I seem to remember there was a way to disable running scripts in Ourlook... deleting the windows scripting host dll or somethng like that. But since I don't use Windows anymore, and since I never used Outlook (except at work, where I am forced to do so, but I ONLY use it for simple email there), I don'T have any real experience with it. > I'm glad your sister has not had problems, but her experience > does not answer the question of why? Is it because Pegasus is > more virus resistant or because the client base for Pegasus is > so much smaller than Outlook that virus authors have not > bothered to write viruses that target Pegasus? Does Pegasus have that same scripting capabilities like outlook? If not, it definitels _is_ less vulnerable. I think, if I had to use an Email client under Windows, and if I could choose that one I want, I would install Post/LX! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:41:17 +0200 Reply-To: jbelin@ALTERN.ORG Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: jbelin@ALTERN.ORG Subject: MUP: At the top of Larzac highlands Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am currently in the Larzac highlands, more precisely at "La Blacquerie", a group of farms symbol of the french anti-militarism movements in '70s, and now the home of some of the "Confederation Paysanne" trade union leaders (Jos=E9 Bov=E9's home is at less than one= kilometer). Not enough MUP for you ? Well, more precisely, when I say I am on the top of larzac, I think I a= m not very wrong, as I am on the top of a 10 metters stone "tower" I climbed. Around me, only a one square metter area to sit down... There is a lot of wind (I prefer to not stand-up...), but the view is truly amazing !! Jacques. PS: Thanks to Erwann Abalea, who permits me to use its HP200LX for a trip which will bring me from France to Seville (Spain), where an European Summit (and countr-summit...) will be held in a 10 days. A lot of MUPs in perspective... :-) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:48:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tomas On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:59:17 +0200, Tomas Moberg = wrote: > Like: Subject: Re: =3D?iso-8859-1?B?dGVzdCDFxKjl5PY=3D?=3D ^^^ Michael Lennartz told me that this B means "Base64". I just got a few mails also using Base64 in the header with 8859-1, which aren't decoded either. So seems that Post/LX only handles "Quoted Printable" coded headers, in which there appears a "Q" instead of your "B" and the coding also looks different. A QP-coded character consists of three characters, of which the first one is a "=3D". Base64 looks weird... > I have asked Avi for a fix but he say that it is not a part of the > standard. > > PLEASE ANDREAS, FIX IT! If Andreas doesn't want to do it, there might be a way to do this externally with a decoding program running over the .i files after every online run, using the PostOnline feature of Post/LX. Does anyone know if such a program exists, which could be used for that purpose? Actually, only every 8859-15 had to be converted to 8859-1 (could be a simple search-and-replace) and all base64-stuff had to be converted to QP (this could be complicated). 8859-1 QP is then decoded by Post/LX. I don't know if it would be a good idea to decode even 8859-1 QP externally, because then the headers would contain the bare special characters, and 1. I don't know if Post/LX displays them all correctly and 2. if you reply to such a message, Post/LX would probably not encode these characters again, so you send out the 8bit charactes which can lead to confusion at the receiving side. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:04:10 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Hi Tomas > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:59:17 +0200, Tomas Moberg = wrote: > > > Like: Subject: Re: =3D?iso-8859-1?B?dGVzdCDFxKjl5PY=3D?=3D > > ^^^ > Michael Lennartz told me that this B means "Base64". I just got a few > mails also using Base64 in the header with 8859-1, which aren't decoded > either. So seems that Post/LX only handles "Quoted Printable" coded > headers, in which there appears a "Q" instead of your "B" and the > coding also looks different. A QP-coded character consists of three > characters, of which the first one is a "=3D". Base64 looks weird... It's pretty easy to add the decoding of such Base64 encoded Subject lines. Once decoded, this one says: "test =C5=C4=A8=E5=E4=F6" ("test " followed = by \=B0A, \"A, \"\, , \=B0a, \"a, \"o, with a LaTeX like interface). Base64 can be more compact on the long run, since it takes 4 characters t= o encode 3 (QP would require 9 to encode 3). > Does anyone know if such a program exists, which could be used for that > purpose? > Actually, only every 8859-15 had to be converted to 8859-1 (could be a > simple search-and-replace) and all base64-stuff had to be converted > to QP (this could be complicated). 8859-1 QP is then decoded by Post/LX. Why convert Base64 to QP? Let's convert Base64 to the local codepage, in pure ASCII+extended ASCII, without the QP pass... > I don't know if it would be a good idea to decode even 8859-1 QP > externally, because then the headers would contain the bare special > characters, and 1. I don't know if Post/LX displays them all correctly > and 2. if you reply to such a message, Post/LX would probably not > encode these characters again, so you send out the 8bit charactes which > can lead to confusion at the receiving side. IMHO, Post/LX should encode such characters, as they were entered by the user when composing the mail. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Fichtre, j'en ai post=E9 tellement, de tellement d'auteurs, et y compris des =E0 moi toute seule, que si je ne le relis pas, je suis dans l'incapacit=E9 de m'en souvenir. -+- CJ in GNU : Pas le temps de lire "mes" posts alors les votres -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:30:11 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain You should also turn off the Windows Scripting Host, just for added safety. Where I work, I have to have WSH on (because we use VBScript in our application), but I have changed the file associations for .VBS and .VBE files to run Notepad rather than WSH. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Axel Berger [mailto:Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:43 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Chris Randle wrote: > 1) Hit reply. Everything set up for top posting. It's extra work to get > it all moved about for bottom posting. I agree to everything you say except that. I used not to quote. When asked to do so here, I set up netscape to begin above the full quote, as the first and most important thing I will want to do is start trimming the quote and I want to begin at the top. A question to all: I have no virus scanner. Can I assume that using netscape with Javascript turned off and never running executable attachments except when knowing both who they are from and what they are, I am pretty safe and not the culprit? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:47:33 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: SED challenges Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud In-Reply-To: <004d01c210fd$7a698060$9d5b933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > the solution came from Weemeng (Singapore HP/Compaq) using SED ver 1.09: > > sed -e "s/^ file://g" 9 > 9a ^^^^^ OE doesn't allow you to enter '//' without adding this annoying stuff... ;) The 'g' flag is not necessary, as the expression will work only once (the '^' regexp marker will work for the very first time). As a result, this expression will remove the very first space character of every line. If you want to remove all the spaces at the beginning of every line, use: sed -e "s/^ *//" > del 9 > ren 9a 9 > > formats file 9 to remove the space in the beginning of all lines > > and now the next challange using SED .. a batch file which fromats text: > > 1. converts all tabs into spaces. sed -e "s/\t/ /g" (substitute any '\t' (tab) to ' ' (space), repeat until no more replacement is done for each of the input string) > 2. delets all cnsecutive spaces but one. sed -e "s/ */ /g" (substitute 'any space followed by any number of spaces' by a single space, again lobally) I can't use the form: sed -e "s/ +/ /g", which seems cleaner (any space followed by any non null number of spaces), because it seems the "+" is only available with POSIX Extended Regular Expressions, and sed only uses POSIX Basic Regular Expressions. I'm not sure about these facts, though, I only tried with the second expression, and it failed to do the work. > 3 deletes all consecutice hard returns (aka crriage ret. / end of line line > marker / paragraph marker)? but two. I don't have a valid answer with a simple expression, I think it can be done with a program (sed can be programmed), though. > 4. removes a space at the beginning of all lines sed -s "s/^ //" (substitute the space as the first character of the string by nothing). Again, the 'g' flag is not necessary with the '^' marker. With GNU sed, you can use all the scripts with one single command line: sed -e "s/\t/ /g" -e "s/ */ /g" -e "s/^ //" 9 > 9a I don't know if you can expect the same behaviour with your own version of sed. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- DP> http://couic-couic.fr le lien ne marche pas... -+- W in: Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Je lui fais couic-couic -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:11:12 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:19:33 +0800, Adrian Ho wrote: > > > I assume you're familiar with the list of security-related > > Outlook/OE bugfixes? If not, go to www.microsoft.com/security, > > type "outlook security bulletin" in the Search field, and > > start reading. > > I know there are security problems with Outlook. The question > was: are there many more viruses that hit Outlook because > Outlook is more vulnerable than other mailers or just because it > is used by so many more people that it has become the favorite > target for virus writers. I think the answer has to be both. Outlook does execute scripts. Viruses are safe until they are executed. Clever fools often can find ways to get around the protection if they can get something of their design to execute. And either Outlook or OE can be relied on to be there on the vast majority of computers. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:46:41 -0700 Reply-To: fmc@REANIMATORS.ORG Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frank McConnell Subject: Re: extra storage In-Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater's message of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:32:22 +0200" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gijs Leegwater wrote: > Is a SimpleTech 48MB good? i can get one for 30 euro and two for 50 euro. Well, I've been using one for the last four years (most of which have been spent with it plugged into the 200LX), so it can't be all bad. But I think I remember reading something here about the SimpleTech cards having a larger negative effect on battery life than Sandisk cards. Maybe this one has, and it just isn't irritating enough because I still get at least a week between needing to plug in the charger. -Frank McConnell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:43:30 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I seem to remember there was a way to disable running scripts > in Outlook... deleting the windows scripting host dll or something I certainly would not want to do that - as you can appreciate from you Lotus work, scripts are the thing I miss most in Windows. The DLL may be there, but any documentation on how to use it most certainly isn't - HP at least has a whole chapter on System Makros in the (German) handbook, Windows has nothing. Would anyone happen to have a hint on how to rectify that, if possible in print (English preferred, as my version of W98 is too) not on the web? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:00:50 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I don't know if it would be a good idea to decode even 8859-1 QP > externally, because then the headers would contain the bare special > characters, and 1. I don't know if Post/LX displays them all correctly > and 2. if you reply to such a message, Post/LX would probably not > encode these characters again, so you send out the 8bit charactes which > can lead to confusion at the receiving side. The thing to do would be to convert them to readable 7-bit, like =E4 to a= e =DF to ss and everything not covered to ?. AFAIK many gateways do this already, at least the one between the German MausNet and the Usenet does. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:48:49 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: extra storage Comments: To: g_leegwater@HOTMAIL.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed SimpleTech has a reputation of so-so although I used a 160MB for a long time, and sold it to someone who also used it for a long time AFAIK - all with no troubles! Avi At 6/11/02 +0200, you wrote: >Is a SimpleTech 48MB good? i can get one for 30 euro and two for 50 euro. > >Bye, > >Cheiz > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:57:14 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/11/02 +0200, you wrote: >On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > > Hi Tomas > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:59:17 +0200, Tomas Moberg = =20 > wrote: > > > > > Like: Subject: Re: =3D?iso-8859-1?B?dGVzdCDFxKjl5PY=3D?=3D > > > > ^^^ > > Michael Lennartz told me that this B means "Base64". I just got a few > > mails also using Base64 in the header with 8859-1, which aren't decoded > > either. So seems that Post/LX only handles "Quoted Printable" coded > > headers, in which there appears a "Q" instead of your "B" and the > > coding also looks different. A QP-coded character consists of three > > characters, of which the first one is a "=3D". Base64 looks weird... > >It's pretty easy to add the decoding of such Base64 encoded Subject lines. >Once decoded, this one says: "test =C5=C4=A8=E5=E4=F6" ("test " followed by= \=B0A, \"A, >\"\, , \=B0a, \"a, \"o, with a LaTeX like interface). This is RFC822 backslash quoting method. VERY legal, but many mailing=20 systems choke on it because they did not implement it properly. It is the=20 impetus for RFC1521. >Base64 can be more compact on the long run, since it takes 4 characters to >encode 3 (QP would require 9 to encode 3). If there are a lot of non-ASCII chars, yes, but an occasional character it= =20 depends... > > Does anyone know if such a program exists, which could be used for that > > purpose? > > Actually, only every 8859-15 had to be converted to 8859-1 (could be a > > simple search-and-replace) and all base64-stuff had to be converted > > to QP (this could be complicated). 8859-1 QP is then decoded by Post/LX. > >Why convert Base64 to QP? Let's convert Base64 to the local codepage, in >pure ASCII+extended ASCII, without the QP pass... Or translate for display the QP to local codepage too. You have NO CONTROL= =20 on how the sender decides to encode. There are reasonable conventions in=20 the RFCs, but implementation can vary. Question: What if local codepage does not have the characters? Then you=20 cannot see them. > > I don't know if it would be a good idea to decode even 8859-1 QP > > externally, because then the headers would contain the bare special > > characters, and 1. I don't know if Post/LX displays them all correctly > > and 2. if you reply to such a message, Post/LX would probably not > > encode these characters again, so you send out the 8bit charactes which > > can lead to confusion at the receiving side. > >IMHO, Post/LX should encode such characters, as they were entered by the >user when composing the mail. Maybe. See above. I am totally fascinated and pleased with this discussion!=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:02:24 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D062CC2.F803D2E6@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/11/02 +0200, you wrote: >Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > I don't know if it would be a good idea to decode even 8859-1 QP > > externally, because then the headers would contain the bare special > > characters, and 1. I don't know if Post/LX displays them all correctly > > and 2. if you reply to such a message, Post/LX would probably not > > encode these characters again, so you send out the 8bit charactes which > > can lead to confusion at the receiving side. > >The thing to do would be to convert them to readable 7-bit, like =E4 to ae >=DF to ss and everything not covered to ?. AFAIK many gateways do this >already, at least the one between the German MausNet and the Usenet >does. This is interesting, and I am not sure it'll satisfy the nordics. How would= =20 you designate the a with a circle, for example? How about the french=20 accents? translating everything in the German language to something=20 readable and screw the rest of them is a bit too German-centric, no? = =20 Tsk.. tsk,... You are now one big entity, even if Germany is a dominant=20 part of it ... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:23:03 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > This is interesting, and I am not sure it'll satisfy the nordics. How would > you designate the a with a circle, for example? How about the french > accents? translating everything in the German language to something > readable and screw the rest of them is a bit too German-centric, no? > Tsk.. tsk,... You are now one big entity, even if Germany is a dominant > part of it ... I have to admit to not knowing a lot (nothing really) about those other languages, but if we have developed conventions how to cope with reduced character sets, isn't it reasonable to expect the others to have done so too or ask them to do it? The rules I quoted are part of the most important German dictionary, the "Duden" in its chapter about typewriters. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:27:56 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Addendum: When I wrote "everything not covered" I did not of course mean "everything not German", but everything the programmer does not want to, can't, or has not yet come round to implementing. Also there should always be a fallback in case something unexpected crops up, like the new Euro sign. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:45:42 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: IrDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I saw an IR module and i wanted to buy it. But i don't know whether it's possible with my mainboard. The manual just sais: Optional IrDA: This mainboard supports an optional infrared port module for wireless interface, with independant UART 3rd UART (32-byte FIFO) and its shows a picture of the connector, next the connector i see SIR. In the BIOS i can choose IrDA. Do you think it's psoosible with my Jetway 994 mainboard? Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:11:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D066A37.10336BC6@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/11/02 +0200, you wrote: >hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > > This is interesting, and I am not sure it'll satisfy the nordics. How would > > you designate the a with a circle, for example? How about the french > > accents? translating everything in the German language to something > > readable and screw the rest of them is a bit too German-centric, no? > > Tsk.. tsk,... You are now one big entity, even if Germany is a dominant > > part of it ... > >I have to admit to not knowing a lot (nothing really) about those other >languages, but if we have developed conventions how to cope with reduced >character sets, isn't it reasonable to expect the others to have done so >too or ask them to do it? The rules I quoted are part of the most >important German dictionary, the "Duden" in its chapter about >typewriters. I empathize and applaud the movement in the German language to simplify at least some of its aspects. I don't think that the expectation that other languages will also run to do the same is reasonable, or required. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:36:08 +0100 Reply-To: Stuart Gray Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > At 6/11/02 +0200, you wrote: > >> hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: >> > This is interesting, and I am not sure it'll satisfy the nordics. >> How would >> > you designate the a with a circle, for example? How about the french >> > accents? translating everything in the German language to something >> > readable and screw the rest of them is a bit too German-centric, no? >> >> > Tsk.. tsk,... You are now one big entity, even if Germany is a dominant >> > part of it ... >> >> I have to admit to not knowing a lot (nothing really) about those other >> languages, but if we have developed conventions how to cope with reduced >> character sets, isn't it reasonable to expect the others to have done so >> too or ask them to do it? The rules I quoted are part of the most >> important German dictionary, the "Duden" in its chapter about >> typewriters. > > > > I empathize and applaud the movement in the German language to simplify at > least some of its aspects. I don't think that the expectation that other > languages will also run to do the same is reasonable, or required. > > Avi > O f course, the Americans have been doning it with English since Webster first dropped the "u"s Just adding a bit of good humo(u)red colo(u)r to the proceedings... Stuart Proudly using eCS, the successor to OS/2. Total viruses: zero DOS? You got it. Windows 3.1? Yup. Windows 9x? supported natively Java? The first mainstream OS with it. Do you _need_ anything else? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:35:28 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:47:17 +1200 (NZT) 1 day 13h23m51s ago ... On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:23:26 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Hi Tony Hi Daniel :) > I don't know the exact differences between 8859-1 and 8859-15, but I > think they are very similar, except of the Euro symbol. Here is another one - 8859-2: From: =3D?iso-8859-2?Q?max=3D5Fkuffs_?=3D Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48=09 Subject: =3D?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_My_letter_to_'franck=3D5Fblondel@hp.com'?=3D= =09 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:18:15 GMT In both the From: and the Subject: the only encoded character is an underscore _ which is regular low ascii, indeed decimal 96 or 5F hex. This sort of example mystifies me as it could be sent as From: max_kuffs=3D Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48=09 Subject: Re: My letter to 'franck_blondel@hp.com'? An unusual news client was used: User-Agent: Noworyta News Reader/2.6 > So we should try to convince Andreas to support charset 15. How many iso-8859-x tables are there? How different are they and what display codepages do they require? Do we have any palmtop fonts with a Euro symbol? Oh I think Helmuth did a very nice .HFN font that has a Euro symbol! It could be a big job - especially if all the 8859-x are not the same- but I think we almost have the tools to do it externally to POST.EXE. There is "uumime.exe" by Andreas which decodes UU and base64 attachments - so that could be used for the base64 - but I don't know where to put the output. I think this requires a font expert (not me). I have seen base64 in headers, but it just made me shake my head. It would be a nice challenge to have a utility to quickly decode these, even if only for viewing. Oh - I just noticed that PEH.SCR "supports" all 8859- font numbers, provided they are equivalent to 8859-1 . (This is just for translating the From: header). Humm, maybe I could expand this to do a Subject: header as well, if necessary - then I could append the output to POST.HED - just for viewing, when replying to a message. Oh, while I'm at it I could try and do something with a base64 line, I suppose. But, it would seem mean to require folk to use POSTH . Hmm, I might try it for fun, to learn about all this. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:14:44 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: Tony Hutchins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/12/02 +1200, you wrote: >Here is another one - 8859-2: > >From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?max=5Fkuffs_?= >Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48 >Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_My_letter_to_'franck=5Fblondel@hp.com'?= >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:18:15 GMT > >In both the From: and the Subject: the only encoded character is an >underscore _ which is regular low ascii, indeed decimal 96 or 5F hex. This >sort of example mystifies me as it could be sent as > >From: max_kuffs= >Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48 >Subject: Re: My letter to 'franck_blondel@hp.com'? Exactly. >An unusual news client was used: >User-Agent: Noworyta News Reader/2.6 And that was my point in a previous post - we have no control on what and how email servers encode. > > So we should try to convince Andreas to support charset 15. > >How many iso-8859-x tables are there? How different are they and what >display codepages do they require? Do we have any palmtop fonts with a >Euro symbol? In RFC821 (or 822?) it says that X in ISO-8859-x can be from 1 to 9. But I find this list: 1. Latin1 (West European) 2. Latin2 (East European) 3. Latin3 (South european) 4. Latin4 (North European) 5. Cyrillic 6. Arabic 7. Greek 8. Hebrew 9. Latin5 (Turkish) 10. Latin6 (Nordic) Also 11 is Thai, 12 is not in use but may end up ISCII Indian, 13 covers Baltic rim, 14 adds gaelic and welsh, 15 is the new Latin9, updating Latin1 by replacing less needed characters with some old French and finnish letters, as well as replacing the international currency sign with Euro. BTW, the 8859-2 fits with the slavic sounding name of the news client. >but I think we almost have the tools to do it externally to POST.EXE. >There is "uumime.exe" by Andreas which decodes UU and base64 attachments - so Good suggestion. >Humm, maybe I could expand this to do a Subject: header as well, if >necessary - then I could append the output to POST.HED - just for viewing, >when replying to a message. BUT!!! Do you know how to _display_ on the screen the various characters? IOW, can you show say Arabic or Hebrew characters? If not, then the exercise is fascinating but not useful, or only a partial solution. Remember too that if you change codepages, to display, somehow you have to revert it back to original codepage. Good luck. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:00:10 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Webster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:36:08 +0100, Stuart Gray = wrote: > O f course, the Americans have been doning it with English since = Webster > first dropped the "u"s Speaking about Webster, I recall a question I have had for some time now: Is it true (my professor said so), that the word "Web" in World Wide Web is NOT the synonym to "net", or meant like the web a spider creates, but that it is the abbreviation for "Webster", since Webster is based heavily on references, just like the Web is based on Hyperlinks? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:00:09 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: IrDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheiz On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:45:42 +0200, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > I saw an IR module and i wanted to buy it. But i don't know whether = it's > possible with my mainboard. The manual just sais: > > Optional IrDA: This mainboard supports an optional infrared port module = for > wireless interface, with independant UART 3rd UART (32-byte FIFO) > and its shows a picture of the connector, next the connector i see = SIR. > All I know about IrDA is here: http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/ir_dev Look in the BIOS for an "SIR" setting, or "HPSIR", if you only can set the IR port to IrDA and ASKIR, you may run into problems, since the palmtop cannot speak IrDA to transfer files (I'm assuming you want the IR interface to be able to exchange data between desktop and palmtop). It _may_ also work with IrDA setting, I have seen computers which work even with that BIOS setting.... > In the BIOS i can choose IrDA. Do you think it's psoosible with my = Jetway > 994 mainboard? If the connector on the mainboard fits the connector of the IR module, it probably will work, at least physically. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:42:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611230644.00a2e220@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:30:23 -0400, Avi Meshar wrote: > In RFC821 (or 822?) it says that X in ISO-8859-x can be from 1 to 9. = But I > find this list: Thanks for that Avi - very interesting. > BTW, the 8859-2 fits with the slavic sounding name of the news client. Yup, so it does! > Remember too that if you change codepages, to display, > somehow you have to revert it back to original codepage. All I was planning was a partial solution, just ignoring the "x" in the 8859-x. I already do quoted printable decoding for the `From:', and just need a couple of extra lines to do the `Subject:'. I leave codepage choice to the user. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:34:59 +0100 Reply-To: srtgray@clara.co.uk Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: Webster In an interview I heard with Tim Berners-Lee (originator of the 'Web) he said it was so named to encourage the view that all sites were interconnected, like a spider's web. Besides, being English, Tim would probably have looked towards the OED ( Oxford English Dictionary) as his reference inspiration. Stuart -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:31:16 -0500 Reply-To: theise@netins.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Webster Daniel Hertrich writes: > > Is it true (my professor said so), that the word "Web" in World Wide > Web is NOT the synonym to "net", or meant like the web a spider > creates, but that it is the abbreviation for "Webster", since Webster > is based heavily on references, just like the Web is based on > Hyperlinks? I have never heard of such a thing. Perhaps your professor has mixed up the standard distinction that the Web is not the Internet (but a protocol that operates over the Internet). -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:57:27 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: <20020612064106.86253D39C2@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:50:35 +1200 (NZT) 06h08m03s ago ... On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:42:32 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > All I was planning was a partial solution, just ignoring the > "x" in the 8859-x. I already do quoted printable decoding for > the `From:', and just need a couple of extra lines to do the > `Subject:'. I leave codepage choice to the user. See posth.zip at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ I extended the script to do multiple instances of quoted printable encoding in the one header line. Seems to work fine. Does not do base64. Will try that when I see an example. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:35:28 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Here is another one - 8859-2: > > From: =3D?iso-8859-2?Q?max=3D5Fkuffs_?=3D Yes, there are many... > It could be a big job - especially if all the 8859-x are not > the same- Well, I think we can make it simple: The problem is, that we have longstrings in the header lines, containing the encoding scheme (ISO-8859-X) and some more characters (?,=3D,Q,B) and for each encoded character _some_ characters. That makes the lines really unreadable. In the first step, each unknown encoded character could be replaces by a single "?". That would make the line MUCH MORE readable. In a second step, we could replace all ISO-8859-X (X>1) by ISO-8859-1, which sould probably lead IN MOST CASES to the correct result. In fact, I replaced all 8859-15 by 8859-1 in my inboxxes and newsgroups, and all German Umlauts are now decoded correctly ba Post/LX. So at least regarding these umlauts, 1 and 15 seem to be identical. In a third step, we could find out the differences between the character sets and simply replace evverything, which is NOT identical to 8859-1 by a ?. This wouldn't still make any Post/LX modification necessary, since 8859-1 is decoded by Post/LX already. Only if we sant to decode all 8859-X characters correctly, Post/LX probably had to be modified. Regarding symbols like the Euro sign, which are not by default available on the palmtop: What about decoding it to EUR instead of the Euro sign? This would make it still perfectly readable on the palmtop, but doesn't require any additional font caracters. > but I think we almost have the tools > to do it externally to POST.EXE. There is "uumime.exe" by > Andreas which decodes UU and base64 attachments - so that > could be used for the base64 but how to let it decode only certain parts of the header? I thought about a tool which parses the .i file, looks only for the header lines (mabe even only for "From", "To", "Subject", that may be nough to make reading the header lines convenient), and process only these lines. So if someone uses the ISO-xxxx-xx strings in the body (as = we did in this discussion, conversion will not be applied to the pccurrences in the message itself. > - but I don't know where to put > the output. Well, one way would be to process the whole .i file, write it to an .id file, delete the .i file and rename .id to .i. But this is SLOW... Especially if you have many large .i files! > I think this requires a font expert (not me). I > have seen base64 in headers, but it just made me shake my > head. It would be a nice challenge to have a utility to > quickly decode these, even if only for viewing. The _best_ way would be to put decoding (even if only to "?") into Post/LX. The second best way is to write a custom utility in C for exactly that purpose to process the .i file externally. I don't know if we should care about Base64 in the headers. It's not used too often. I think the mostly used are ISO-8859-1?Q?, which we don't have to care about anymore) and ISO-8859-15?Q?. > Oh - I just noticed that PEH.SCR "supports" all 8859- font > numbers, provided they are equivalent to 8859-1 . > (This is just for translating the From: header). PEH is part of Posth 3? I don't use it yet... Still version 2 here. > Humm, maybe I could expand this to do a Subject: header as > well, if necessary - then I could append the output to POST.HED > - just for viewing, when replying to a message. Well, the most important thing is to make it readable in message list view in Post/LX, because this is the time where I choose which Newsgroup messages to read and which not. If I cannot read the subject or From, decision may be totally wrong. ;-) > Oh, while I'm at it I could try and do something with a base64 > line, I suppose. But, it would seem mean to require folk to > use POSTH . Hmm, I might try it for fun, to learn about all > this. Let us know! I'll see if I find the time to write a small C utility for simply and FAST replacing all -15 by -1 or even all non-1 encoded chars by "?".... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:28 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:14:44 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > BUT!!! Do you know how to _display_ on the screen the various characters= ? > IOW, can you show say Arabic or Hebrew characters? If not, then the > exercise is fascinating but not useful, or only a partial solution. See my reply to Tony - either use _readable_ coding, like EUR for the Euro sign, or use a ?, if the character is not available. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:34 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: CF card inside LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Radek cleaning up my HPLX-L folder, I came across this message from Robert Feldman. Do you still have the LX with the built-in CF card? If yes, maybe try the following to enable it. Use the SLOT switch instead of the PART switch, this might be a chance... GTX daniel On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:47:04 -0700, "Feldman, Robert" wrote: > Hello All, > > Here's something interesting that others might follow up on: > > I copied CSMAPPER.SYS and CARDDRV.EXE from a Win95 computer to my flash = card > (normally drive A:) and then ran them on my 200LX by putting the = following > in my CONFIG.SYS > > DEVICE=3DA:\CSMAPPER.SYS > DEVICE=3DA:\CARDDRV.EXE /PART=3D2 > > Surprisingly, both devices appear to have installed, and CARDDRV = reports > that it installed 4 drives, F: - I: . I can still read my flash card as > drive A:, but none of the "new" drives will work. BTW, I have a 20MB = SunDisk > card with only one partition on it. > > Bob > > P.S. Win95 documentation says the CARDDRV switch is /SLOT=3Dn, where n = is the > number of PCMCIA slots, but internally, CARDDRV says the switch is = /PART=3Dn, > where n is the maximum number of card partitions. You can view this = message > by running CARDDRV from a DOS prompt with no switches, or by viewing = the > contents of CARDDRV with Windows NotePad. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:35 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: hacking IrDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:03:21 +0100, Michael Eng wrote: > I've become interested in building a generic IrDA serial stack and API = for > connecting to mobile phones, that can then be used to link to terminal > emulators and PPP stacks etc. Right now the only stuff is ir.exe and = WWW/LX, > which although good stuff, is rather limiting in that it's fixed to = OBEX and > PPP use. How do you proceed with your project? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:38 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frederic On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:05:54 +0200, Frederic Vincent = wrote: > I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. > On the web, I saw a Bluetooth - rs232 adapter that looks very promissing= : > > www.anycom.com/products/rs232.html > > It might be powered via the rs232, and drieven with a few AT commands. YES!! This is what we need! The control via AT commands is ideal for use with Post/LX and so on, the only two problems could be: 1. power - it is planned to power the thing via the RS232 port. The palmtop's port doesn't provide the full voltage of standard RS232, so we probably need external power. But that should be possible. 2. size - This only makes really sense if the thing is much smaller than a mobile phone, otherwise a cable connection to a mobile phone would be more convenient (for Internet use at least). There is no picture yet of that device, so we don't know about that. Thanks for the link! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:32 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: External power for PCMCIA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, just an idea, I don't have the time to try that: Polaroid camera films contain a flat 5V battery. Usually this isn't depleted when the film is empty, so just go to your local photo store, ask if they have old Polaroid filems for disposal, remove the battery and use it as a piggybag for the LX, connected somehow to the internal 5V pin of the PCMCIa port... These batteries drive motors in the camera, so they have to be quite strong. I don't know if these batteries are flat emough to be mounted INSIDE the LX, probably not.. If anyone tries that, please report! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:46:02 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Subject: Riziko. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1931117514-1023893162=:79836" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1931117514-1023893162=:79836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by email? The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very much. Thanx a lot and best wishes! Ricardo Liso --------------------------------- Corri in negozio! Ti aspetta il CD originale Levi's Freedom to Move. Clicca qui per saperne di piy --0-1931117514-1023893162=:79836 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello all,
Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by email?
The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very much. Thanx a lot and best wishes!

Ricardo Liso


Corri in negozio! Ti aspetta il CD originale Levi's Freedom to Move.
Clicca qui per saperne di piy --0-1931117514-1023893162=:79836-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:30:31 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/12/02 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: >In a third step, we could find out the differences between the >character sets and simply replace evverything, which is NOT identical >to 8859-1 by a ?. This wouldn't still make any Post/LX modification >necessary, since 8859-1 is decoded by Post/LX already. > >Only if we sant to decode all 8859-X characters correctly, Post/LX >probably had to be modified. Yes. If you want to do something partial which works for only part of the community that uses Post/LX, go for it. If I am to go to Andreas to ask for a modification, it'll have to be working for the entire POST/LX user community. FYI from my records European (including Scandinavia) users of Post/LX are about one third of the number in the Far East, about the same size market as the Middle East. >What about decoding it to EUR instead of the Euro sign? This would make >it still perfectly readable on the palmtop, but doesn't require any >additional font caracters. It is probably VERY simple to _ADD_ the symbol to most of the fonts we use. >but how to let it decode only certain parts of the header? I thought about >a tool which parses the .i file, looks only for the header lines (mabe >even .... Why not follow the standard at least in this regard? > > I think this requires a font expert (not me). I > > have seen base64 in headers, but it just made me shake my > > head. It would be a nice challenge to have a utility to > > quickly decode these, even if only for viewing. > >The _best_ way would be to put decoding (even if only to "?") into >Post/LX. Not if it is a partial solution, sorry! Europeans are about 15% of the users of Post/LX! So if we design a full solution, I'll gladly support it and go begging for the change. >I don't know if we should care about Base64 in the headers. It's not >used too often. I think the mostly used are ISO-8859-1?Q?, which we don't >have to care about anymore) and ISO-8859-15?Q?. If you kludge, then don't worry. Base64 is used A LOT in MOST EMAIL read by Post/LX. Add to your consideration the Far East and Middle East. I really really hope we design a more general solution. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:02:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Webster Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: Webster On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:36:08 +0100, Stuart Gray wrote: Is it true (my professor said so), that the word "Web" in World Wide Web is NOT the synonym to "net", or meant like the web a spider creates, but that it is the abbreviation for "Webster", since Webster is based heavily on references, just like the Web is based on Hyperlinks? I'm just guessing now. I read somewhere (and it makes sense) that the WWW was meant to be like a graphical gopher with a lot of other stuff thrown in. I also remember having heard gopher described as, among other things, a web that connects a lot of the nodes on the internet. I have no reason to think that that's where the web in WWW came from. But WWW really is a lot like a super slow gopher with some additions like pictures and frames and pop-up ads. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:52:47 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: FLUFF: Looking for Ed Padin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you read it, can you send me a private email? Thanks. avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:14:40 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Riziko. In-Reply-To: <20020612144602.83799.qmail@web20903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI, I sent him a copy. On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-1] Ricardo Liso wrote: > Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by email? The > game seems to be not supported any more and the link is dead. I > tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If anyone of > you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very much. Thanx a > lot and best wishes! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:19:38 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > What about decoding it to EUR instead of the Euro sign? This would make > it still perfectly readable on the palmtop, but doesn't require any > additional font caracters. I completely agree with your approach. One more benefit is, that for anything you pass on later, quotes and headers, the use of several 7-bit bit characters like ae and EUR ensures that no further problems and incompatibilities will occor. It is up to the French and Nordics et al. to provide solutions specific to them. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:26:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Ledford, Calvin" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: 200lx and/or accessories for sale... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All: I have a 1MB upgraded to 5MB HP200lx for sale. It comes with all of the following, and I have a picture of everything that I can email interested parties. I would like to sell everything as group (please make offer), but am willing to part out. 1 HP200lx with 5MB internal memory upgrade 1 E&B Leather Case 1 EXP 14.4 Thinfax/Modem with 2 MB of Flash] 1 Original manual 1 set of NiMH batteries 1 set of NiCad batteries 1 A/C adapter/battery charger 1 copy of Software Carousel 1 Complete connectivity kit with: Manual & Disks Cable All adapters Also included: 2 original Palm Top Paper Archives disks I am a digest member and ask that any one interested please email directly at cledford@cw.net if interested. -Calvin Ledford ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:59:47 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Possible Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:52:40 +0200, Axel Berger wrote: > NO! RIDs and references are much older than OE, they ARE the standard and > they MUST be correctly written. The whole thread is already on everyone's > disk and anyone quoting more than necessary and/or not writing an RID shoud > be hit on his head with a very big stick. Bill Gates is NOT god and it s > not up to him to rewrite all the rules. Well, as much as you might like to, you do not get to set the rules or establish the culture in the corporate environment where I worked. Since many of the top level managers did not save e-mail messages, we found that preserving the entire thread in each message was useful and had no penalty in our environment that was characterized by fast Internet and Intranet connections and sufficiently large hard drives. This internal cultural decision had nothing to do with Bill Gates. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:58:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Webster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The origin of "gopher" is interesting. It derives from "go for", or "go fer" in a more colloquial form, which is a person, such as a secretary, who would go out and get things for you, or who would "go fer" things. The gopher program was developed at the University of Minnesota, whose sports mascot is the "Golden Gopher." (For our non-North American list members, a gopher is a small ground-dwelling squirrel, similar to a chipmunk.) So, the program's creators made a pun on "go for/go fer", changing it to their mascot, the "gopher." Bob -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@FBTC.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:03 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Webster I read somewhere (and it makes sense) that the WWW was meant to be like a graphical gopher with a lot of other stuff thrown in. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:48:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: External power for PCMCIA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 6V, 82mm x 69.3mm x 4.7mm when removed from the white card. http://www.polaroid-oem.com/pdf/batteries.pdf -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:01 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: External power for PCMCIA Hi friends, just an idea, I don't have the time to try that: Polaroid camera films contain a flat 5V battery. Usually this isn't depleted when the film is empty, so just go to your local photo store, ask if they have old Polaroid filems for disposal, remove the battery and use it as a piggybag for the LX, connected somehow to the internal 5V pin of the PCMCIa port... These batteries drive motors in the camera, so they have to be quite strong. I don't know if these batteries are flat emough to be mounted INSIDE the LX, probably not.. If anyone tries that, please report! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:13:07 -0700 Reply-To: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "James P. Grenert, MD, PhD" Subject: Re: Memory question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Avi wrote: >One small concern: the _dat subdirectory contains two or three files which >are difficult to move because their attributes declare them as read-only, >hidden, and/or system files. > >The trick for those: Run > >d:\_sys\attrib c:\_dat\*.* -s -r -h > >which removes the attributes and the files can now be copied and then deleted. For arcanities such as these, I like to make a short batch file of the command with an easy-to-remember name, like SHOW.BAT. It's good for those of us who can't remember all of the DOS command switches :) Cheers. J. P. Grenert grenert@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx In-Reply-To: <3133652112@yeos.com.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ordinary windex and a razor blade will take that residue right off. On Tue, 28 May 2002 11:53:06 +0800, you wrote: >The last time I did that (without heating of course) I got a film of = sticky >residue on the screen. Will this heating process help me get a clean and= smooth >screen on subsequent attempts? I would like to experiment with various >backgrounds, eg, luminescent, high reflectivity, etc. Can't go far if = the first >sample background sticks on like crazy... > >Jimmy. >____________________Reply Separator____________________ >Subject: RE: RE: backligting kit for 200lx >Author: "Larry Tachna" >Date: 2002-05-25 7:38 PM > > >>>I guess I should be careful because LCD's are sensitive to heat, = right? > >they will generally recover from heat in a short time just warm it up = enough >to get the glue soft peel off the film and clean the residue off with = anchor >film clean > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:59:08 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Memory question Comments: To: grenert@YAHOO.COM In-Reply-To: <20020612201307.2607.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I do not object to you making a batch file from that . Maybe SHOW is too generic a name? Avi At 6/12/02 -0700, you wrote: >Avi wrote: > >One small concern: the _dat subdirectory contains two or three files which > >are difficult to move because their attributes declare them as read-only, > >hidden, and/or system files. > > > >The trick for those: Run > > > >d:\_sys\attrib c:\_dat\*.* -s -r -h > > > >which removes the attributes and the files can now be copied and then > deleted. > >For arcanities such as these, I like to make a short batch file of the command >with an easy-to-remember name, like SHOW.BAT. It's good for those of us who >can't remember all of the DOS command switches :) > >Cheers. >J. P. Grenert >grenert@yahoo.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:45:39 -0400 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? In-Reply-To: <000501c210b9$7b2483e0$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Tim > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:00 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? snipt > > > Before I get too excited, the product specs also say: It's "PCMCIA type 2" > and "16 bit," do THOSE specs. knock it out of the "LX-realm" altogether? sounds perfect for the LX > > re: > >Imagine... > "couch browsing" etc. I already do this with my a Dell Inspron and an Omnbook 800 using SMC 802.11 wireless cards. Of course, that only helps if you have broadband and a home ethernetwork. The Dell actually gets me many hours of battery life as it can hold two rather large batteries. The OB is really small and still gets me a few hours. It has instant on/off so the battery life is less of an issue. The Dell hibernates but hibernation takes a minute to swap mem to/from disk. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:32:39 +0100 Reply-To: Stuart Gray Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: eCS Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ka, Take a look at www.ecomstation.com The operating system is IBM's OS/2. but bundled with a heap of utilities (Including Lotus SmartSuite, and StarOffice) Windows 3.1 is built-in to OS/2, as is DOS support (these are better than the support in Win9x - each programme runs in it's own memory space under OS/2, meaning that a crashed app won't hang the whole system. Win 3.1 and DOS apps are pre-emptively multitasked, whereas Win9x co-operatively multitasks these, only using pre-emptive multitasking for win32 apps). A (free) third party development called Odin allows Win32 apps (ie Windows 95 and above) to run seamlessly. There is a (not free) port of VPC (virtual PC) which allows any OS to be run in a window. JAva support is complete - Java 2 (1.8.3) is included. Mozilla has been ported to OS/2. Some unusual hardware may not be supported, eg USB scanners(most other USB peripherals work), but if it will run under Windows NT, it will run under OS/2 (more or less). LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > Stuart Gray wrote: > >>Proudly using eCS, the successor to OS/2. Total viruses: zero >>DOS? You got it. Windows 3.1? Yup. Windows 9x? supported natively Java? >>The first mainstream OS with it. >>Do you _need_ anything else? >> > > That sound interesting. Could you give us some more info? > > Thanks. > > Ka Tai > > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:44:24 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: eCS Comments: To: Stuart Gray In-Reply-To: <3D07E827.6020803@clara.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable eCs looks really interesting. I'd like to install it on my Libretto but it doesn't have a floppy driver for the Libretto and stalls on the second disk after OS/2 starts. Everything else works. Toshiba suppies no support. Its a real pain to try to run a computer without a floppy and installing the operating system sucks. Are there OS/2 programmers in the OS/2 community who would be willing in helping port the Linux Libretto floppy driver over to OS/2? I've never programmed in C or for OS/2 but would be very willing to work on if if someone could explain the C code and what needs to be done. John On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:32:39 +0100, you wrote: >Ka, > >Take a look at www.ecomstation.com > >The operating system is IBM's OS/2. but bundled with a heap of utilities > (Including Lotus SmartSuite, and StarOffice) Windows 3.1 is built-in >to OS/2, as is DOS support (these are better than the support in Win9x >- each programme runs in it's own memory space under OS/2, meaning that >a crashed app won't hang the whole system. Win 3.1 and DOS apps are >pre-emptively multitasked, whereas Win9x co-operatively multitasks >these, only using pre-emptive multitasking for win32 apps). A (free) >third party development called Odin allows Win32 apps (ie Windows 95 and >above) to run seamlessly. There is a (not free) port of VPC (virtual >PC) which allows any OS to be run in a window. JAva support is complete >- Java 2 (1.8.3) is included. Mozilla has been ported to OS/2. > >Some unusual hardware may not be supported, eg USB scanners(most other >USB peripherals work), but if it will run under Windows NT, it will run >under OS/2 (more or less). > >LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > >> Stuart Gray wrote: >> >>>Proudly using eCS, the successor to OS/2. Total viruses: zero >>>DOS? You got it. Windows 3.1? Yup. Windows 9x? supported natively = Java? >>>The first mainstream OS with it. >>>Do you _need_ anything else? >>> >> >> That sound interesting. Could you give us some more info? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ka Tai >> >> >> >> >> > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:01:16 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:26 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > From: =3D?iso-8859-2?Q?max=3D5Fkuffs_?=3D > > Yes, there are many... Hi Daniel, yes but I am sure the above case is really a mistake because "=3D5F" is just low ascii. Possibly the client did it because the underscore is itself part of the encoding scheme, but that client seems just too *eager* to encode. > In the first step, each unknown encoded character could > be replaces by a single "?". That would make the line MUCH > MORE readable. Ah yes this is a totally different approach to what I have done. As a general rule I avoid changing the raw *.I files. It all depends how you work - my *.I files tend to grow. I think POST/LX does the decoding "on the fly", when the message is viewed. The underlying raw file stays as is. But, I encourage you to pursue this solution! > > There is "uumime.exe" by Andreas which decodes UU and > > base64 attachments - so that could be used for the base64 > > but how to let it decode only certain parts of the header? The beginning and end of each encoded section are delimited by =3D? and ?=3D. But my "solution" is only a "toy" really - it only works when I reply or edit a message and doesn't change the *.I files. > > - but I don't know where to put > > the output. > > Well, one way would be to process the whole .i file, write it > to an .id file, delete the .i file and rename .id to .i. But > this is SLOW... Especially if you have many large .i files! What I just have no feel for is how frequent these iso encodings are. Personally I hardly ever see an unencoded one and when I do I usually find it hardly worthwhile decoding. But maybe this will change with time. > The _best_ way would be to put decoding (even if only to "?") into > Post/LX. Another heuristic (aka partial) solution would be for the on-the-fly iso decoding in POST/LX to optionally ignore the "x" in 8859-x. If someone wants this they could put Ignoreisonum=3D1 in POST.CFG, for example. Probably we need to experiment more to see if there might be any unintended consequences. > The second best way is to write a custom utility in C for > exactly that purpose to process the .i file externally. That may be the way to go - it can be adapted as ISO issues even more numbers in the future. And if you work by keeping inboxes small - i.e. cleaning them out after each online run - then such a utility could be pretty fast! It cold be run after each online session and before the *.I files are indexed. > I don't know if we should care about Base64 in the > headers. It's not used too often. That's my impression but I though I read here that someone gets a lot of them - where the Subject is used for the body on the message. > I think the mostly used are ISO-8859-1?Q?, which we don't > have to care about anymore) and ISO-8859-15?Q?. Yup I agree 8859-1 works really well, POST/LX to POST/LX especially :) > PEH is part of Posth 3? I don't use it yet... Still version > 2 here. It is available at my homepage. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it as the documentation is densely worded. It allows many configuration items now. The POSTH reply options can be set at newsgroup/server or mailbox levels. POSTH will even do different toplines for different From: addresses (and even force specific timezones). Even signatures can be different for different newsgroups sharing the same inbox. The most extreme part of POSTH is that with sed,grep, fmt.exe, it will rewrap quoted replies, identifying different levels of nesting - but this is a bit slow in general. Even I have turned this off now. > Well, the most important thing is to make it readable in > message list view in Post/LX, because this is the time > where I choose which Newsgroup messages to read and which > not. If I cannot read the subject or From, decision may be > totally wrong. ;-) Ahha that is where my "toy" solution fails. But, I could easily expand it to use a different "iso2chr.txt" table for each 8859-x - that would make it a really clunky toy :) > Let us know! I'll see if I find the time to write a small > C utility for simply and FAST replacing all -15 by -1 You know, I think that is the best approach - maybe your GSAR would be pretty fast at that. Then POST/LX could take over the viewing. If the Euro is a relatively unused code page 850 character then it could just be added in to the font files. > or even all non-1 encoded chars by "?".... That would be a bit slower - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:04 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Will/Can the LX work w/ the HP DeskJet 350Cbi printer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone use the LX w/ this HP and its IR module? "example" at: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=210290 Just wondering. Might need to get a port. printing solution again (for work); might as well ENSURE it works w/ my REAL computer . --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:31:13 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: SED versions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there seem to be different versions of sed which all take different scripts. which version of sed will work? i have.... SEDMOD.EXE 22575 (Tony) SED.EXE 22104 (Tony) SED.EXE 67174 (Weemeng) >> 3 deletes all consecutice hard returns (aka crriage ret. / end >>of line line marker / paragraph marker)? but two. >I don't have a valid answer with a simple expression, I think it >can be done with a program (sed can be programmed), though. Andreas Garzotto's READ.EXE does that automatically, and Toy mentioned: # deletes consecutive lines with whitespace /[^ \t]/,/^[ \t]*$/!d I need what READ.EXE does for reading as permanent change to the text. Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:45:05 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Webster In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: Robert's >The origin of "gopher" is interesting.... Do "gopher" and "Archie" and other such search engines still exist in EASILY accessible forms to non-university users? I remember being able to type in GREAT searches, while in school, 'cause we had better access than most ISPs allow (like shell access, but better). How is all that stuff accessible to the "average guy" now (who usually has to use http://WWW.etcetera access to everything)? TIA to all for "repaving" that particular "onramp" to the info. super-highway for me....... --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:48:19 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: eCS In-Reply-To: <1atfgucf0288bral5j1te0158skkgqi0o5@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I looked at a few of the links. Is there any "software only" package for sale? Most of the prices I found ($300+) seemed to imply a bundled hardware/software solution.... I've got too much hardware; might want to experiment w/ a multi-boot system to let this OS take a turn..... Any more links? TIA, --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:05:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Will/Can the LX work w/ the HP DeskJet 350Cbi printer? Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <000101c2128b$52a7adb0$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Works fine with the 340 and ir modual. Irda is slow printing though. Its much faster if you use a parallel port pcmcia card in the LX plus you can then change the printer programming with the LX. I think the 350 uses the same irda protocols. It does use a differant print cartridge and a differant battery. Buy from a repuable place and if it doesn't work return it. I do believe you will have to download irda drivers from the Super site. Irjeteye.sys comes to mind if you want to print in dos then there are System Manager IRDA drivers. If you want to use irjeteye.sys in individual software carousel sessions just change the extension to com John On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:04 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone use the LX w/ this HP and its IR module? > >"example" at: > >http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=3D210290 > >Just wondering. Might need to get a port. printing solution again (for >work); might as well ENSURE it works w/ my REAL computer . > >--tim > > >Tim Raymond >------------------------------------------- >"There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:02:40 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remembered this "blast from the past" and wondered if anyone had an LX version of this.... A "million years ago" (during "Desert Storm," so it was about '91) I remember folks faced with a *REALLY* austere computing environment, 286 computers were "high-speed" and there weren't any "Best Buy" stores over the next sand dune.... Anyway, I remember a fellow deployed to nowhere with all of us managed to write a program and use a cassette recorder and a home-made serial cable to back up and restore computers using Sony's recordable Walkman. I believe he used the serial port of a standard computer and a cassette recorder to both back up and restore the (then HUGE) 20 MB HDDs available.... ANY idea of 1) How he did it and 2) how to make it work w/ the LX? I just had a "flashback" to the days of Radio Shack trash-80 "CLoad" and wondered if a cassette recorder could be used to back up and transfer files to my PC..... TOTAL "fluff," since I can do this much faster w/ a CF card and adapter, but the "gadgeteer" in me just wonders............... BTW, it would have to be something that could restore a "totally wiped LX" or it wouldn't have much value.... TIA for any indulgences. --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison PS. Recently read that Edison had to install his first lightbulb for FREE in a business, as a marketing "ploy," 'cause no one believed it had any real value (true?). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:12:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: eCS Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <000501c2128d$2c6c9f00$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the top of the home page to the right there are links to distributors. They sell the software only package. The cheapest is the mexican distributer which will charge about 140 and about 20 shipping for the package. =20 On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:48:19 -0500, you wrote: >I looked at a few of the links. > >Is there any "software only" package for sale? > >Most of the prices I found ($300+) seemed to imply a bundled >hardware/software solution.... I've got too much hardware; might want to >experiment w/ a multi-boot system to let this OS take a turn..... > >Any more links? > >TIA, > >--tim > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:26:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? In-Reply-To: <000701c2128f$2db25380$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think how it would work is you connect the TX line to in and the RX line to out and GND to ground then just write and read to the tape. The tape will record whatever the head outputs so if its outputing a digital signal the tape will record it.=20 On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:02:40 -0500, you wrote: >Remembered this "blast from the past" and wondered if anyone had an LX >version of this.... > >A "million years ago" (during "Desert Storm," so it was about '91) I >remember folks faced with a *REALLY* austere computing environment, 286 >computers were "high-speed" and there weren't any "Best Buy" stores over= the >next sand dune.... > >Anyway, I remember a fellow deployed to nowhere with all of us managed = to >write a program and use a cassette recorder and a home-made serial cable= to >back up and restore computers using Sony's recordable Walkman. > >I believe he used the serial port of a standard computer and a cassette >recorder to both back up and restore the (then HUGE) 20 MB HDDs >available.... > >ANY idea of 1) How he did it and 2) how to make it work w/ the LX? > >I just had a "flashback" to the days of Radio Shack trash-80 "CLoad" and >wondered if a cassette recorder could be used to back up and transfer = files >to my PC..... > >TOTAL "fluff," since I can do this much faster w/ a CF card and adapter,= but >the "gadgeteer" in me just wonders............... > >BTW, it would have to be something that could restore a "totally wiped = LX" >or it wouldn't have much value.... > >TIA for any indulgences. > >--tim > >Tim Raymond >------------------------------------------- >"There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison > >PS. Recently read that Edison had to install his first lightbulb for = FREE in >a business, as a marketing "ploy," 'cause no one believed it had any = real >value (true?). > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:01:24 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: WP51 "wpg" files... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, OK, it's my night to "flood" the list.... What *ELSE* can read Word Perfect 5.1's .WPG (word perfect graphic) files? I found "grab" in wp51, that MIGHT be a cool screen grabber, BUT nothing I have can read/view the resulting .WPG file; so I may just have junk...... (instead of a screen grab from an LX app). TIA. --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:39:27 -0700 Reply-To: mike Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: mike Subject: LX-MapBlast down indefinitely MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The mapping and related services on my website are down indefinitely. I have no estimate of when, or if, they will return. I apologize for the inconvenience. Vicinity Corp, which runs MapBlast, has discontinued their Pocket MapBlast service. I was using the data available through the Pocket MapBlast interface for the services on my website. It may be possible to restore most of the services on my site by going through the normal MapBlast interface, but this is much more complex and will take some time. If I am able to bring back LX-MapBlast, I will post a notice here. Regards, Mike Kopplin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:38:04 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: SED versions In-Reply-To: <008101c2128c$1a8d8980$b45a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 01h54m33s ago ... On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:31:13 +0200, Dr. Nat wrote: > I need what READ.EXE does for reading as permanent change > to the text. Oh! Here is the answer FMT.EXE -c filein.txt > fileout.txt FMT.ZIP is at my homepage, but I am sending it separately by e-mail. It's real hard to do paragraph re-formatting like that with sed, so, that must be why the Unix guys invented fmt :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:14:39 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:06 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > Ordinary windex and a razor blade will take that residue right off. Hi John, what is windex? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:20:05 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: <20020613015954.4C1F3D2D5E@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Tony Hutchins wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:00:26 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > > > From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?max=5Fkuffs_?= > > > > Yes, there are many... > > Hi Daniel, yes but I am sure the above case is really a > mistake because "=5F" is just low ascii. Possibly the client > did it because the underscore is itself part of the encoding > scheme, but that client seems just too *eager* to encode. I don't have the necessary reference document to demonstrate this, but I think the goal of QuotedPrintable is to encode any character string into a form that can be considered as an ISO PrintableString (defined in X.520). An underscore ('_') doesn't belong to the PrintableString character set. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- Carl Sagan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:23:01 +0100 Reply-To: srtgray@clara.co.uk Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: eCS > eCs looks really interesting. I'd like to install it on my Libretto > but it doesn't have a floppy driver for the Libretto and stalls on the > second disk after OS/2 starts. Everything else works. Toshiba suppies > no support. Its a real pain to try to run a computer without a floppy > and installing the operating system sucks. Are there OS/2 programmers > in the OS/2 community who would be willing in helping port the Linux > Libretto floppy driver over to OS/2? I've never programmed in C or for > OS/2 but would be very willing to work on if if someone could explain > the C code and what needs to be done. > > John > John, Take a look at http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/Notebook.htm the Notebook/2 site. There are links to people who have installed on a Libretto. Stuart -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:35:21 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:14:39 +0200, you wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:06 -0500, John Musielewicz = wrote: > >> Ordinary windex and a razor blade will take that residue right off. > >Hi John, >what is windex? > >GTX >daniel Its a brand of window cleaner. Its made by Johnson Wax. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:53:28 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: HP LJ 4050TN IR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, does anyone have printing from HPLX to HP LJ 4050TN via infrared working? How did you do that? :) Thanks for help -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: eCS Comments: To: srtgray@clara.co.uk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:23:01 +0100, you wrote: >> eCs looks really interesting. I'd like to install it on my Libretto >> but it doesn't have a floppy driver for the Libretto and stalls on >the >> second disk after OS/2 starts. Everything else works. Toshiba suppies > >> no support. Its a real pain to try to run a computer without a floppy > >> and installing the operating system sucks. Are there OS/2 programmers > >> in the OS/2 community who would be willing in helping port the Linux >> Libretto floppy driver over to OS/2? I've never programmed in C or >for >> OS/2 but would be very willing to work on if if someone could explain > >> the C code and what needs to be done. >> >> John >> >John, > >Take a look at http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/Notebook.htm >the Notebook/2 site. There are links to people who have installed on a > >Libretto. > >Stuart I've seen it. It can be done without a floppy but its a royal pain without one. You have to have a second computer to install programs. That's as bad as Microsoft software. I want to get rid of my extra computers not be forced to keep them or get more. I only want (or need) one computer and maybe a pda like the 200LX. I am c ertainly not going to let the OS dictate that. It shouldn't be a big deal to recompile the floppy driver. From what I understand alot of open source can simply be recompiled with the right compiler without any changes. In this case a OS/2 C compiler would do- which I don't have. The work has already been done by the Linux group. If nobody is willing to do that it says quite a bit about the lack of interest in making this OS work and speaks volumes about the success of MS in killing it off. That would mean it wouldn't even be worth my time trying it. I like live warm bodies not cold stiff ones. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:05:24 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:20:05 +0200, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > > > From: =3D?iso-8859-2?Q?max=3D5Fkuffs_?=3D > > > > > > Yes, there are many... > > > > Hi Daniel, yes but I am sure the above case is really > > a mistake because "=3D5F" is just low ascii. Possibly the > > client did it because the underscore is itself part of the > > encoding scheme, but that client seems just too *eager* > > to encode. > > I don't have the necessary reference document to demonstrate > this, but I think the goal of QuotedPrintable is to encode > any character string into a form that can be considered as > an ISO PrintableString (defined in X.520). An underscore > ('_') doesn't belong to the PrintableString character set. I can't tell whether that means an underscore should be encoded or not. I assume something like "A" would be in the Printable String character set, as presumably it is not an empty set In which case it would seem that an underscore should be treated differently to an "A" and indeed be encoded. I find it ironic that in encoded sequences spaces are actually represented by bald underscores - so clearly they can be transmitted as 7 bit characters. Or, maybe they just display as underscores for my codepage. Seems it was a 50:50 committee decision on how to classify the underscore. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:34:33 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: Availability of circuit diagram? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from sunny South Africa :-) Does anyone know if circuit diagrams (schematics) are publicly available for the HP95/100/200LX? If so from where can they be obtained? Reason for asking is that after staring at a HP95LX motherboard that sits next to my desk PC (used as a PCMCIA card charger!) I am contemplating modifying my working unit (it has a keyboard and screen ) to include a built-in NiCad trickle charger. I know the 95 (unlike the 100/200) external power input is not polarity sensitive but are all 4 diodes adjacent to the serial connector used for power purposes? Guess to be safe I could just use a separate bridge and regulate directly to the battery. Thanks in advance and remember, KEEP SMILING! Nigel R ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:05:48 +0200 Reply-To: furlan@gmx.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" Organization: OE9FWV Subject: Re: Will/Can the LX work w/ the HP DeskJet 350Cbi printer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable hi Tim,=20 I have the HP 990CXI with built in IRDA and it works fine with my=20 HP200LX. I know also the HP Laserjet 2100 and it also works fine. The HP Photosmart does not work though, it has not IRDA support but=20 a different protocol, jetsend if I remember right.=20 The printer you mention I did not try but from the description it=20 should work. cheers, Werner Tim schrieb =FCber Will/Can the LX work w/ the HP DeskJet 350Cbi pri: > Anyone use the LX w/ this HP and its IR module? >=20 > "example" at: >=20 > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=3D210290 >=20 > Just wondering. Might need to get a port. printing solution again > (for work); might as well ENSURE it works w/ my REAL computer > . >=20 > --tim >=20 >=20 > Tim Raymond > ------------------------------------------- > "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison >=20 -- =20 PGP-Key: SMS: <+436646340014@text.mobilkom.at> Powered by Pegasus Mail - free at ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:02:24 +0200 Reply-To: Alan Krempler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Alan Krempler Subject: Re: hacking IrDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i tried hacking the hp irda stack (from irda097 from super) and succeeded in connecting it to the "alternate" com port of the 200lx and opening an ircomm connection from the built-in terminal application, but it wouldn't run stable. we could also ask d&a software if they would share the irda stack they use for www/lx and the ir.exe utility. i got no reply from them, but maybe someone with better relations to d&a could ask. cheers alan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:08:57 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. > > It might be powered via the rs232, and drieven with a few AT commands. > > YES!! This is what we need! > The control via AT commands is ideal for use with Post/LX Bluetooth is very complicated and confusing. What else can we expect from a technology designed by people who grew up with Windows and mobile phones ;-) The key to bluetooth are the so-called profiles: -generic access -cordless telephony -intercom -serial port (emulates serial cable) -dial-up networking (AT modem commands) -headset -fax -LAN access -generic object exchange -object push -file transfer -synchronization If you want to use bluetooth, you first have to think about for what you want to use it. Say, you want to have bluetooth on the palmtop in order to go online with a mobile phone: Then you need a bluetooth implementation which has the dial-up networking profile implemented, because you want to use modem AT commands to dial-up to a network. The counterpart bluetooth (in our case, the mobile phone) also must support the dial-up networking profile, otherwise both bluetooth implementations cannot work together. Note: AFAIK the Nokia phones do not support the dial-up networking profile, only the headset profile and probably the cordless telephony profile. I would say, you have to understand some bluetooth in order to not be disappointed by your investment. First of all, ask for the supported profiles of the bluetooth module you want to buy. Don't think: Ah, it has bluetooth built in, I'm prepared for the future. It may only have a useless subset of profiles implemented allowing you to use a cordless headset and beam vcards (object push), but nothing else. Don't buy a product, which doesn't state clearly on the box the bluetooth version (1.02b or 1.1) and the supported profiles. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:21:18 +0200 Reply-To: fvincent Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: fvincent Subject: Re: home wireless with HP200? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >===== Original Message From Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE ===== >> > I also think that bluetooth could be a solution. >> > It might be powered via the rs232, and drieven with a few AT commands. >> >> YES!! This is what we need! >> The control via AT commands is ideal for use with Post/LX > >Bluetooth is very complicated and confusing. What else can we >expect from a technology designed by people who grew up with >Windows and mobile phones ;-) > >The key to bluetooth are the so-called profiles: > >-generic access >-cordless telephony >-intercom >-serial port (emulates serial cable) >-dial-up networking (AT modem commands) >-headset >-fax >-LAN access >-generic object exchange >-object push >-file transfer >-synchronization > >If you want to use bluetooth, you first have to think about for >what you want to use it. Say, you want to have bluetooth on the >palmtop in order to go online with a mobile phone: > >Then you need a bluetooth implementation which has the dial-up >networking profile implemented, because you want to use modem >AT commands to dial-up to a network. > >The counterpart bluetooth (in our case, the mobile phone) also >must support the dial-up networking profile, otherwise both >bluetooth implementations cannot work together. > >Note: AFAIK the Nokia phones do not support the dial-up >networking profile, only the headset profile and probably the >cordless telephony profile. > >I would say, you have to understand some bluetooth in order to >not be disappointed by your investment. First of all, ask for >the supported profiles of the bluetooth module you want to buy. > >Don't think: Ah, it has bluetooth built in, I'm prepared for >the future. It may only have a useless subset of profiles >implemented allowing you to use a cordless headset and beam >vcards (object push), but nothing else. > >Don't buy a product, which doesn't state clearly on the box the >bluetooth version (1.02b or 1.1) and the supported profiles. > >Stefan > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml Thanks Stefan for the clarification. Anyway, Anycom is not responsive at all to my questions, and looking at their other bluetooth adapters, I don't have a good feeling regarding their price... Frederic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:33:40 +0200 Reply-To: jacob.waern@swipnet.se Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: SV: HP LJ 4050TN IR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! I have not set up my HP200:s for printing to a HP LJ 4050NT via IRDA but = only to HP 6P.s, but the basics should be the same(?). First install = IRDA97 from SUPER. After that you have to prepare an initialisation = string as per your preference of fonttype, size and other properties = and put into the printer setup for each applicaton. Information re that = should be in your HP manual as it was in in mine. My own string goes = like this: \027(8U\027(s1p10vs0b16602T and then prints using Roman-8 = table and normal Arial 10. \027 is of course "Esc" and the codes for the = PCL-fonts available are in the HP Printermanager. This works in all the = built in applicatons but 1-2-3 and DOS. In 1-2-3 it justs repeats the = print area 11-12 times and in DOS if just freezes. Both are as I = understand known problems and I would be happy to hear any solutions. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]F=F6r Dzon Skickat: den 13 juni 2002 09:53 Till: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu =C4mne: HP LJ 4050TN IR Hello, does anyone have printing from HPLX to HP LJ 4050TN via infrared = working? How did you do that? :) Thanks for help -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:51:07 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: LX-MapBlast down indefinitely Comments: To: mike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mike, Thanks for all you have done so far for this community! Avi At 6/12/02 -0700, you wrote: >The mapping and related services on my website are down >indefinitely. I have no estimate of when, or if, they will >return. I apologize for the inconvenience. > >Vicinity Corp, which runs MapBlast, has discontinued their >Pocket MapBlast service. I was using the data available through >the Pocket MapBlast interface for the services on my website. > >It may be possible to restore most of the services on my site by >going through the normal MapBlast interface, but this is much >more complex and will take some time. If I am able to bring back >LX-MapBlast, I will post a notice here. > >Regards, >Mike Kopplin > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:53:19 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: WP51 "wpg" files... Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <000b01c21297$6289e0c0$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed PSP opens them fine. > What *ELSE* can read Word Perfect 5.1's .WPG (word perfect graphic) files? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:42:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: WP51 "wpg" files... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Microsoft Word (I just checked my copy of Word 2000) can read them if you have the converter installed. -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:palmtop@SBCGLOBAL.NET] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:01 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: WP51 "wpg" files... Hi all, OK, it's my night to "flood" the list.... What *ELSE* can read Word Perfect 5.1's .WPG (word perfect graphic) files? I found "grab" in wp51, that MIGHT be a cool screen grabber, BUT nothing I have can read/view the resulting .WPG file; so I may just have junk...... (instead of a screen grab from an LX app). TIA. --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:51:50 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: LX-MapBlast down indefinitely In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613075021.00a10990@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Mike, > > Thanks for all you have done so far for this community! Hear! Hear! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:03:04 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: hacking IrDA Comments: To: Alan Krempler In-Reply-To: <000f01c212c1$6ab91de0$6e37a8c0@iq.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/13/02 +0200, you wrote: >i tried hacking the hp irda stack (from irda097 from super) and succeeded in >connecting it to the "alternate" com port of the 200lx and opening an ircomm >connection from the built-in terminal application, but it wouldn't run >stable. > >we could also ask d&a software if they would share the irda stack they use >for www/lx and the ir.exe utility. i got no reply from them, but maybe >someone with better relations to d&a could ask. Strange! No request arrived at info@dasoft.com. What email address did you use? Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:04:10 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Webster Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Webster > re: Robert's > >The origin of "gopher" is interesting.... > > Do "gopher" and "Archie" and other such search engines still exist in EASILY > accessible forms to non-university users? > > I remember being able to type in GREAT searches, while in school, 'cause we > had better access than most ISPs allow (like shell access, but better). How > is all that stuff accessible to the "average guy" now (who usually has to > use http://WWW.etcetera access to everything)? I haven't had shell access for years but about a year or so ago I used telnet to get on gopher and it seemed to be intact. I had no way to tell it was all there but I couldn't tell what was missing. I forget where I found it. Probably some address I saw on the web. Up to about that same time I had a web url to access archie but it stopped working. I don't know if it moved or went away. But I suspect with a little effort we could find archie again. There's no reason to think all of that went away. I also looked for and found some muds on telnet. But I couldn't find the ones I used to go to. Then again, I'm not sure I remember their names so that problem might be me. At least I know telnet is still there. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? > Remembered this "blast from the past" and wondered if anyone had an LX > version of this.... > > A "million years ago" (during "Desert Storm," so it was about '91) I > remember folks faced with a *REALLY* austere computing environment, 286 > computers were "high-speed" and there weren't any "Best Buy" stores over the > next sand dune.... > > Anyway, I remember a fellow deployed to nowhere with all of us managed to > write a program and use a cassette recorder and a home-made serial cable to > back up and restore computers using Sony's recordable Walkman. > > I believe he used the serial port of a standard computer and a cassette > recorder to both back up and restore the (then HUGE) 20 MB HDDs > available.... > > ANY idea of 1) How he did it and 2) how to make it work w/ the LX? > > I just had a "flashback" to the days of Radio Shack trash-80 "CLoad" and > wondered if a cassette recorder could be used to back up and transfer files > to my PC..... > > TOTAL "fluff," since I can do this much faster w/ a CF card and adapter, but > the "gadgeteer" in me just wonders............... You ask interesting questions. :) First, I think he must have had some kind of device between the serial port and the cassette recorder. Also, cassette isn't reliable like it used to be. I'm not sure why. I have a few old TRS-80s. Model 100, 102 and model 200s. 5 in all. They're all set up for cassette and I had a cable with a couple of them. (lost since I moved). I spent quite a while going through various cassette recorders trying to find one that would work to back them up. A number of them did seem to work but weren't reliable. Others didn't work at all. I tried quite a variety of volume settings. I did manage to find one of the Radio Shack recorders they used to sell just for this, on Ebay. It worked fairly well but 3 days later it stopped working and died. I haven't looked that much for another one. The recorders I tried were walkman type and the larger ones. Also I tried a number of radios with tape recorders. Nothing worked very well. The requirment in the manual says that you have to have the line to let the computer stop and start the deck and none of these (except that one from Ebay) had that. But I'm not convinced that would matter that much. I do remember someone telling me, back in Color Computer days, that the only reliable recorder was the Radio Shack one. That it had some special properties other than the control line that made it reliable. But I don't remember who told me that so who knows. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:23:51 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: WP51 "wpg" files... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: Robert's >Microsoft Word (I just checked my copy of Word 2000) can read >them if you have the converter installed. Thanks! I must've missed installing the converter (I *try* to install them all .... well except for things I know I'm not going to use/see like Harvard Graphics to PowerPoint, etc.). I'll hunt thru. my installation to see if I can reinstall the filter/converter. Is it under graphics filters or word processing? --tim PS. Thanks to all who pointed out PSP ... I may need to reinstall that one too (I forgot how much I once used it!). Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:26:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: WP51 "wpg" files... Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: WP51 "wpg" files... > Hi all, > > OK, it's my night to "flood" the list.... > > What *ELSE* can read Word Perfect 5.1's .WPG (word perfect graphic) files? > > I found "grab" in wp51, that MIGHT be a cool screen grabber, BUT nothing I > have can read/view the resulting .WPG file; so I may just have junk...... > (instead of a screen grab from an LX app). Word 97 can read a .wpg file. I'm not sure if that helps. Maybe an old dos version of Word can, too. As for screen grabbers there were a LOT of those for CGA. I'm sure you can find several on Simtelnet. I think I remember having one on my 200lx but I just checked and the bin directory has nearly 200 files in it and if it's one of them I don't know which one. I used to know what they all were. :) I do know that I've used them on my various lx's over the years. I'd be surprised if one is difficult to locate. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:30:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:06 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > Ordinary windex and a razor blade will take that residue right off. > Hi John, > what is windex? Ha! Gotcha! :) All these years Europeans have been deriding Americans because we don't know your geography or history or languages or how to order wine. And now you don't know what Windex is. Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. What do you Europeans do in school? This makes me feel so good. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:42:20 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: eCs John Musielewicz wrote: > eCs looks really interesting. I'd like to install it on my Libretto > but it doesn't have a floppy driver for the Libretto and stalls on the > second disk after OS/2 starts. Everything else works. Toshiba suppies > no support. Its a real pain to try to run a computer without a floppy > and installing the operating system sucks. Yes, this has come up on the OS/2 newgroups. Google searches implies that the easiest way to in stall is to put the hard drive into another machine to do a vanilla minimum install and then finish in the Libretto. Not a simple task from the sound of it. > Are there OS/2 programmers > in the OS/2 community who would be willing in helping port the Linux > Libretto floppy driver over to OS/2? I've never programmed in C or for > OS/2 but would be very willing to work on if if someone could explain > the C code and what needs to be done. > > John I believe the subject has come up, and fairly recently. Not having a Libretto I did not take too much notice. Search the comp.os.os.* tree in Google Groups? Device driver programming is not exactly where I would try learning C. But I don't do C, so I may be biased. But there are significant developer resources out there. Some are on IBM's servers. Some on Hobbes or LEO. Ah, I see you posted on comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. Good, I think that's the best place to start. Comp.os.os2.setup.misc might be another, though the flame wars make it have a rather low S/N ratio. There you asked about using A86 and A386. You can get IBM's ALP and MASM assemblers as a download from IBM's site. Unless you have anouther reason for using A386, I think all the existing assembly code is written for MASM (or ALP which is a MASM style assembler). Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:42:33 -0700 Reply-To: Christopher Blackmon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Christopher Blackmon Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx In-Reply-To: <004801c212e6$ff86d640$140d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:30 AM 6/13/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) It's like the force... it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds the universe together. :-) Christopher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:53:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: Christopher Blackmon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Blackmon" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx > At 09:30 AM 6/13/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > > Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. > > Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) > > It's like the force... it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds > the universe together. :-) Good point! :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:57:21 -0700 Reply-To: Willnotreply GMX Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Willnotreply GMX Subject: Re: Webster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found my bookmark to Archie broken but the Gopher still works: gopher://gopher.tc.umn.edu/ Google search might find more. Best Regards, Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Barry To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Date: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Webster >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:45 PM >Subject: Re: Webster > > >> re: Robert's >> >The origin of "gopher" is interesting.... >> >> Do "gopher" and "Archie" and other such search engines still >exist in EASILY >> accessible forms to non-university users? >> >> I remember being able to type in GREAT searches, while in >school, 'cause we >> had better access than most ISPs allow (like shell access, but >better). How >> is all that stuff accessible to the "average guy" now (who >usually has to >> use http://WWW.etcetera access to everything)? > >I haven't had shell access for years but about a year or so ago >I used telnet to get on gopher and it seemed to be intact. I >had no way to tell it was all there but I couldn't tell what was >missing. > >I forget where I found it. Probably some address I saw on the >web. > >Up to about that same time I had a web url to access archie but >it stopped working. I don't know if it moved or went away. But >I suspect with a little effort we could find archie again. >There's no reason to think all of that went away. > >I also looked for and found some muds on telnet. But I >couldn't find the ones I used to go to. Then again, I'm not >sure I remember their names so that problem might be me. > >At least I know telnet is still there. :) > >Barry > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:05:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Webster Comments: To: Willnotreply GMX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willnotreply GMX" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Webster > I found my bookmark to Archie broken but the Gopher still works: > > gopher://gopher.tc.umn.edu/ That works but a lot of the links there are broken. Most of them. I had forgotten that web browsers can handle gopher. I think I used to know that. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:09:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a Panasonic recorder that was marketed as a datacassette recorder. Uses 4 AA batteries, measures about 1" x 5" x 8". IIRC, it is the model that RS marketed under their brand label for use with the Model 100. The recorder is mono rather than stereo and fairly lo-fi, but other than having the start-stop control input, I don't think it was special. Don't know if Panasonic still sells it, though. In order to use serial output, you would need to (1) slow it down, and (2) make sure it was a strong enough signal to get recorded. On input, you would need to reduce the signal strength and convert it back to RS-232 levels. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@FBTC.NET] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:18 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? I have a few old TRS-80s. Model 100, 102 and model 200s. 5 in all. They're all set up for cassette and I had a cable with a couple of them. (lost since I moved). I do remember someone telling me, back in Color Computer days, that the only reliable recorder was the Radio Shack one. That it had some special properties other than the control line that made it reliable. But I don't remember who told me that so who knows. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:17:42 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain See below. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Blackmon [mailto:blackmon@NORTELNETWORKS.COM] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:43 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx >At 09:30 AM 6/13/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >> Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. >Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) ^^^^ DUCT, not duck, as in heating and air conditioning. Also sometimes called "gaffers tape", after the movie crew person who makes good use to the tape. >It's like the force... it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds >the universe together. :-) >Christopher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:23:28 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Liso?= Subject: Re: Riziko. Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2112325538-1023981808=:37148" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-2112325538-1023981808=:37148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Got it!! Thank you very very much. Ricardo Theodore Heise ha scritto: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-1] Ricardo Liso wrote: > Hello all, Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by > email? The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is > dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If > anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very > much. Thanx a lot and best wishes! Hi Ricardo, Here it is--hope you don't get multiple copies! Best regards, -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/zip name=riziko.zip --------------------------------- Corri in negozio! Ti aspetta il CD originale Levi's Freedom to Move. Clicca qui per saperne di piy --0-2112325538-1023981808=:37148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Got it!!

Thank you very very much.

Ricardo

 

  Theodore Heise <theise@netins.net> ha scritto:



On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-1] Ricardo Liso wrote:

> Hello all, Does anyone of you have a copy of Riziko to send it by
> email? The game seems to be not supported any more and the link is
> dead. I tried to find it on the Web but with no luck at all. If
> anyone of you could email it to me, I would appreciatte it very
> much. Thanx a lot and best wishes!

Hi Ricardo,

Here it is--hope you don't get multiple copies!

Best regards,

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/zip name=riziko.zip


Corri in negozio! Ti aspetta il CD originale Levi's Freedom to Move.
Clicca qui per saperne di piy --0-2112325538-1023981808=:37148-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:23:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? > I have a Panasonic recorder that was marketed as a datacassette recorder. > Uses 4 AA batteries, measures about 1" x 5" x 8". IIRC, it is the model that > RS marketed under their brand label for use with the Model 100. The recorder > is mono rather than stereo and fairly lo-fi, but other than having the > start-stop control input, I don't think it was special. > > Don't know if Panasonic still sells it, though. > > In order to use serial output, you would need to (1) slow it down, and (2) > make sure it was a strong enough signal to get recorded. On input, you would > need to reduce the signal strength and convert it back to RS-232 levels. I wouldn't mind having a recorder to use to back up my model 100 but at this point I guess I'm not going to go looking for one. Something that occurred to me after I posted before was that I also used to use cassettes that were made for computer use. They were leaderless. I'm not sure what other differences there might have been. But that could be part of the problem too. In any case, I no longer have the cable and if I'm going to use the serial port I might as well back it up to my PC. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:21:29 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Availability of circuit diagram? Comments: To: Nigel R In-Reply-To: <002001c212b5$5c914500$565cef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the problems with putting in a trickle charger in the 95 LX is that the rest of the circuitry isn't isolated when charging would start. You would not only be charging the battery but charging the rest of the circuitry. The 100-200LX isolated the battery which makes it much easier to build a charger. Not being isolated isn't bad but a person can't be sure how much current the battery is going to get so it makes it difficult to know when to cut off charging. Does the 95LX have a voltmeter to track battery voltage? On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:34:33 +0200, you wrote: >Greetings from sunny South Africa :-) > >Does anyone know if circuit diagrams (schematics) are publicly available= for >the HP95/100/200LX? If so from where can they be obtained? Reason for >asking is that after staring at a HP95LX motherboard that sits next to = my >desk PC (used as a PCMCIA card charger!) I am contemplating modifying my >working unit (it has a keyboard and screen ) to include a built-in >NiCad trickle charger. I know the 95 (unlike the 100/200) external = power >input is not polarity sensitive but are all 4 diodes adjacent to the = serial >connector used for power purposes? Guess to be safe I could just use a >separate bridge and regulate directly to the battery. > >Thanks in advance and remember, KEEP SMILING! > >Nigel R > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:56:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? In-Reply-To: <002e01c212e5$22b20ce0$140d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I have a few old TRS-80s. Model 100, 102 and model 200s. 5 in >all. They're all set up for cassette and I had a cable with a >couple of them. (lost since I moved). > >I spent quite a while going through various cassette recorders >trying to find one that would work to back them up. A number of >them did seem to work but weren't reliable. Others didn't work >at all. I tried quite a variety of volume settings. I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. Worked fine. I was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:57:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? > I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape > recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. Worked fine. I > was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really > happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. The floppy made all the difference in the world. Even if it was a single sided 35 track 160k drive. I waited till it went on sale for $499 and bought one. Not long after that became the regular price. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:13:54 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Availability of circuit diagram? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The Digital-Analog converter that monitors the battery voltage in the 100/200LX is used in the 95LX to drive the speaker (according to the HPLX FAQ). -----Original Message----- From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:21 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Availability of circuit diagram? Does the 95LX have a voltmeter to track battery voltage? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:56:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: eCs In-Reply-To: <200206131442.JAA000.86@Novosad3.FWB.SAIC.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:42:20 -0500, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: > >> eCs looks really interesting. I'd like to install it on my Libretto >> but it doesn't have a floppy driver for the Libretto and stalls on the >> second disk after OS/2 starts. Everything else works. Toshiba suppies >> no support. Its a real pain to try to run a computer without a floppy >> and installing the operating system sucks. > > Yes, this has come up on the OS/2 newgroups. Google searches >implies that the easiest way to in stall is to put the hard drive >into another machine to do a vanilla minimum install and then >finish in the Libretto. Not a simple task from the sound of it. > >> Are there OS/2 programmers >> in the OS/2 community who would be willing in helping port the Linux >> Libretto floppy driver over to OS/2? I've never programmed in C or for >> OS/2 but would be very willing to work on if if someone could explain >> the C code and what needs to be done. >> >> John > > I believe the subject has come up, and fairly recently. Not >having a Libretto I did not take too much notice. Search the >comp.os.os.* tree in Google Groups? Device driver programming >is not exactly where I would try learning C. But I don't do C, >so I may be biased. But there are significant developer >resources out there. Some are on IBM's servers. Some on Hobbes >or LEO. > > Ah, I see you posted on comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. Good, >I think that's the best place to start. Comp.os.os2.setup.misc >might be another, though the flame wars make it have a rather low >S/N ratio. > > There you asked about using A86 and A386. You can get IBM's >ALP and MASM assemblers as a download from IBM's site. Unless >you have anouther reason for using A386, I think all the existing >assembly code is written for MASM (or ALP which is a MASM style >assembler). > >Steve > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml Thank's for all the good information Steve. I gathered from the programmers.porting group that it may not be such a big job to port the driver to OS/2. A programmer there wrote that alot of GPL code simply needs to be run through the compiler for the OS that you are compiling for. Code doesn't need to be changed at all. So it may be simpler than it seems. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:04:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: eCs Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: eCs > Thank's for all the good information Steve. I gathered > from the programmers.porting group that it may not be > such a big job to port the driver to OS/2. A programmer > there wrote that alot of GPL code simply needs to be > run through the compiler for the OS that you are > compiling for. Code doesn't need to be changed at all. > So it may be simpler than it seems. That may or may not be true for drivers. They have to follow certain rules in order to interact with the OS correctly. Those rules are usually different for every OS. How much difference that makes depends on the different requirements placed on drivers by the 2 OSs in question. I don't know much about OS/2 and I haven't written a Windows driver so I don't know how similar or different they might be. But I suspect a driver from linux might be more difficult to port. It could very well be that only the layout of the program needs to change, and not the functional code. Or maybe all of it will have to change. You'll just have to look and see. But you'll need information on how OS/2 drivers interact with OS/2 and how to code them. You'll need the same for drivers on the OS it's written for. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:50:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: eCs Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <00b201c21304$d5f511c0$140d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:04:26 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:56 PM >Subject: Re: eCs > > >> Thank's for all the good information Steve. I gathered >> from the programmers.porting group that it may not be >> such a big job to port the driver to OS/2. A programmer >> there wrote that alot of GPL code simply needs to be >> run through the compiler for the OS that you are >> compiling for. Code doesn't need to be changed at all. >> So it may be simpler than it seems. > >That may or may not be true for drivers. They have to follow >certain rules in order to interact with the OS correctly. Those >rules are usually different for every OS. > >How much difference that makes depends on the different >requirements placed on drivers by the 2 OSs in question. I >don't know much about OS/2 and I haven't written a Windows >driver so I don't know how similar or different they might be. >But I suspect a driver from linux might be more difficult to >port. > >It could very well be that only the layout of the program needs >to change, and not the functional code. Or maybe all of it will >have to change. You'll just have to look and see. But you'll >need information on how OS/2 drivers interact with OS/2 and how >to code them. You'll need the same for drivers on the OS it's >written for. > Thanks for the information Barry. Since it seems alot of information is needed about both OS/2 and Linux what would be a good source? Would IBM or the people that release eCs help with OS/2 information- do you think? I know IBM is big into Linux so programmers there might have ported code either way already. Would this be the kind of thing they would want money for? I wouldn't want to pay for anything since the driver would be released as freeware and I wouldn't be getting any compensation- except satisfation. I could probably get alot of info on Linux through the newsgroups since it is freeware and of course alot by looking at Linux driver source. It would help if I could find a port of linux code that has already been done for OS/2 so I can see how they relate- do you know of any? Thanks again for the information its very helpful. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:43:26 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? In-Reply-To: <002e01c212e5$22b20ce0$140d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: Barry's >You ask interesting questions. :) Thanks! . >First, I think he must have had some kind of device between the >serial port and the cassette recorder. He may've wired something special but I think he did it all w/ the serial connector and a two-wire input into the "Mic in" jack on the recorder. He prob. did a manual advance of the tape to get past the leader and add a "buffer" zone; then just hit record or play, whether he was recording or backing up. He'd written some sort of program to have the computer send its files to the serial port as "sounds" that could be recorded and were useful for restoring when played back. Heck, he may've used a BBS or modem/COM program and sent the files using some file-transfer protocol (Xmodem/Zmodem?); then just "fooled" the computer into thinking it was talking to an external modem and then sending or receiving files, when the "sounds" were just headed to or coming from the cassette tape. >I have a few old TRS-80s. Model 100, 102 and model 200s. Me too , I may have some of the cassette cables around (mine are only "hidden" since the last move , I haven't given up on finding them yet). I had a radio shack recorder and it worked fine. Donated it and a good Model 100 to a charity sale. Any decent recorder can work, as long as you don't use too cheap a tape I think. The 100/102, etc. did start and stop the tape to "catch up with itself" and that was a pretty cool feature in and of itself. The fellow that used the walkman prob. had to go for an uncontrolled mode (no computer controlled start/stop), 'cause I don't think the Walkman had the start/stop plug that came with the old cassette microphones that had a switch on them. I still have a small RS cassette recorder (somewhere) that was designed for audio recording (used it in radio news projects) and it worked fine w/ the data tapes, even though it wasn't "rated" for them (maybe it just had an affinity for it's RS cousins!). Traded my old Tandy Model 200 and some of those old floppy drives in to get a Model 102 "refurbished" but haven't used it more than once since then. They were great workhorses, but the challenges in getting files in and out usually keeps me from doing anything on them (I'm getting lazy). I *did* wait 'til I was sure the floppy drives wouldn't work w/ the LX before getting rid of them!! [they were RS proprietary disk format and the drives couldn't read/write to a normal DOS floppy anyway; so they weren't useful .... 'Course, being a gadget lover, I hope I kept one somewhere.... Prob. didn't] The LX has *so* many great text editing abilities, etc. [faster, stronger, spell checking, etc. too] and the ease of CF file transfer beats most things hands down! I doubt I'd back up my LX to a cassette recorder *except* once to say that I'd done it ;-) --ttr ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:47:25 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: eCs Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: eCs Thanks for the information Barry. Since it seems alot of information is needed about both OS/2 and Linux what would be a good source? Would IBM or the people that release eCs help with OS/2 information- do you think? I know IBM is big into Linux so programmers there might have ported code either way already. Would this be the kind of thing they would want money for? I wouldn't want to pay for anything since the driver would be released as freeware and I wouldn't be getting any compensation- except satisfation. I could probably get alot of info on Linux through the newsgroups since it is freeware and of course alot by looking at Linux driver source. It would help if I could find a port of linux code that has already been done for OS/2 so I can see how they relate- do you know of any? Thanks again for the information its very helpful. If you want to pay for it you need a book that has information on writing device drivers for each system. If you don't want to pay it should be all over the web for linux. IBM is the first place I'd look for OS/2. They probably have what you need. If not, do a google search or ask on the newsgroups. I suspect it's readily available, too. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:59:16 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Travel Floppy and DS32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all; I have a 200LX with both the 32MB and Doublespeed upgrades. I just got the Accurite Travel Floppy to use with it and I have a problem. It works fine with my desktop PCMCIA card drive and my laptop, but it locks up the 200LX when I try and access the drive. Here are the details: On the 200LX, I put the Passport card in the card slot, and run PALMINST.BAT, it installs the driver, and I reboot it. Then I turn it off, remove the Passport card, plug the drive in to both the card and the AC?DC power adapter and insert the card again, then turn the 200LX back on. In Filer, it shows an additional drive, drive G:. But when I go to the DOS prompt and type "G:" it locks up. Any ideas? Richard A. Smith ---------- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. -- Benjamin Franklin ----- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:13:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: eCs Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: eCs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information Barry. Since it seems alot of information is needed about both OS/2 and Linux what would be a good source? Would IBM or the people that release eCs help with OS/2 information- do you think? I know IBM is big into Linux so programmers there might have ported code either way already. Would this be the kind of thing they would want money for? I wouldn't want to pay for anything since the driver would be released as freeware and I wouldn't be getting any compensation- except satisfation. I could probably get alot of info on Linux through the newsgroups since it is freeware and of course alot by looking at Linux driver source. It would help if I could find a port of linux code that has already been done for OS/2 so I can see how they relate- do you know of any? Thanks again for the information its very helpful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I took a look on IBM's site and couldn't find much related to OS/2 in their search engine so I did a google search and found a lot of OS/2 stuff on the IBM site. :) Anyway this page (techsupport.services.ibm.com/ddk/) has documentation for OS/2 device drivers that you can download. Good chance it's what you need. While searching the IBM site I found all kinds of linux stuff. That and Java seems to be their main interest in their development area. It might be a good place to look for the linux device driver info. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Tim wrote: > Anyway, I remember a fellow deployed to nowhere with all of us managed to > write a program and use a cassette recorder and a home-made serial cable to > back up and restore computers using Sony's recordable Walkman. > > ANY idea of 1) How he did it and 2) how to make it work w/ the LX? I once made an FSK interface to a reel to reel tape recorder that converted RS-232 to or from (essentially) modem tones. It worked, and I stored programs on it. But given the other means of backup now available, I would not consider it viable for the 200LX now. It would work though, using COPY or CTTY MS-DOS commands. If you remember back to the weather FAX discussions, one of the serial port signal lines can sample the FSK FAX signal fast enough to decode it. That said, you might be able to generate the signals as well. That would be a rather inspired program for the 200LX though. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:24:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C21318.54ACF880" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21318.54ACF880 Content-Type: text/plain There was a standard for this, known as the Kansas City standard (I don't know if I ever knew why). It alternated between 1200 KHz and 2400 KHz signals for the 0's and 1's. One of my college microprocessors courses used a Z80-based development system known as the "MicroProfessor" and it stored and loaded its programs using an external cassette tape drive. Details (images omitted) from Microprocessor Interfacing Techniques by Austin Lesea and Rodnay Zaks c/r 1978 SYBEX Inc. ISBN 0-89588-003-2 p. 128 KANSAS CITY STANDARD In order to use these inexpensive recorders in the hobby market, a standard was proposed and adopted by hobbyists. Using frequency shift keying techniques, and frequency double frequency [sic] modem techniques, this standard is easy to use. The drawback is the data rate of 30 characters per second. The system takes standard serial RS-232C data ... and converts each bit to either 8 cycles of 2400 hertz (a "1") or 4 cycles of 1200 hertz (a "0"). To generate this, only a few flip-flips [sic] are required along with a quad NAND gate. Shown in Fig. 4-55 is the modulator. The demodulator must detect whether 1200 hertz or 2400 hertz tones are present. There are many ways of doing this; however a common one is to detect zero crossings of the input signal. This will generate either 2400 or 4800 pulses per second. Alan Striegel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21318.54ACF880 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Nearly fluff: Tape backup?

There was a standard for this, known as the Kansas = City standard (I don't know if I ever knew why).  It alternated = between 1200 KHz and 2400 KHz signals for the 0's and 1's.  One of = my college microprocessors courses used a Z80-based development system = known as the "MicroProfessor" and it stored and loaded its = programs using an external cassette tape drive.

Details (images omitted) from Microprocessor = Interfacing Techniques  by
   Austin Lesea and Rodnay Zaks
   c/r 1978 SYBEX Inc.
   ISBN 0-89588-003-2
   p. 128

   KANSAS CITY STANDARD

      In order to use these = inexpensive recorders in the hobby market,
   a standard was proposed and adopted by = hobbyists.  Using frequency
   shift keying techniques, and frequency = double frequency [sic] modem
   techniques, this standard is easy to = use.  The drawback is the data
   rate of 30 characters per = second.
      The system takes = standard serial RS-232C data ... and converts
   each bit to either 8 cycles of 2400 = hertz (a "1") or 4 cycles of
   1200 hertz (a "0").  To = generate this, only a few flip-flips [sic]
   are required along with a quad NAND = gate.  Shown in Fig. 4-55 is the
   modulator.

      The demodulator must = detect whether 1200 hertz or 2400 hertz
   tones are present.  There are many = ways of doing this; however a
   common one is to detect zero crossings = of the input signal.  This
   will generate either 2400 or 4800 = pulses per second.
  

Alan Striegel

------_=_NextPart_001_01C21318.54ACF880-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:51:14 -0400 Reply-To: Edward Woodward Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Edward Woodward Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hate to burden you all with needless info but... Duct tape is NOT used by gaffers in the movie crew. Pros use gaff tape. It is formulated differently so as to stick well temporarily and to not leave residue on removal. Duct tape is made to "bleed" it's adhesive onto adjoining parts so as to seal them together. Hence it's use in duct applications. Gaff tape does not leave a residue because of it's use on cables, expensive equipment, floors, walls etc. Heat applied to gaff tape will not cause it to braek down and "bleed" like duct tape does. One more needless piece of info...the only thing I have ever found that can remove duct tape residue reliably, everytime, is peanut butter. Enjoy. Ed Woodward ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:48:09 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: WP51 "wpg" files... Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim wrote: > > Hi all, > > OK, it's my night to "flood" the list.... > > What *ELSE* can read Word Perfect 5.1's .WPG (word perfect graphic) files? > > I found "grab" in wp51, that MIGHT be a cool screen grabber, BUT nothing I > have can read/view the resulting .WPG file; so I may just have junk...... > (instead of a screen grab from an LX app). I think WP5.1 GRAB was for transferring addresses from letters to envelopes. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:03:35 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Battery deal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight I was wandering through the Target sporting goods department when I spied a find: Greatland Outdoors(a Target house brand) Flashlight Value Set. Two flashlights and ->24<- Duracell AA alkaline batteries, regularly $9.99, marked down to $7.99. Eight packs of AA alkalines go for 5-6 bux, here's three times that for $8. Plus a coupla flashlights! Expiration date on the batteries is 3/08, with luck these could last that long. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:33:11 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit more XTGOLD tricks ever tried the "O" for 'open'? it opens any file with specific extension. For example, if you have a file named icn.bat and lxpic.exe in the directory xtgold.exe is in with the line lxpic %1, it will open any Icon file to view with lxpic.exe. You can name other extensions, like eml, doc, and txt, and it will open them with READ.EXE which keeps bookmarks. So, XTGOLD has "PNS" inbuilt. It also mirrors "BUDDY" in using only the down arrow (instead of Fn+down) to do a full screen. btw. XTGOLD's HEX editor can easily change GDBs into NDBs and back. (needs an overlay from full version though) Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:35:22 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: SED challenges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been presented by Zoran with "MHSR.EXE" 9848bytes only. It seems similar to SED and does the following: MHSR {FileName|@FileList} SearchString ReplaceString [Options] [/?] apart from text it changes also the following: Name Dec Hex ---- --- --- @Nul #0 $0 @Bel #7 $7 @Bs #8 $8 @Tab #9 $9 @Lf #10 $A @Ff #12 $C @Cr #13 $D @Eof #26 $1A @Esc #27 $1B @Spc #32 $20 @Eol #13#10 $D$A which prompted me to write the following batch file: note: "5" is the name of my file to be formatted. (i like files starting with a number because of the LX's numeric kb) rem formats file 5 to import into a note MHSR 5 @Tab @Spc MHSR 5 @Spc@Spc@Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 5 @Spc@Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 5 @Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 5 @Eol@Eol@Eol@Eol @Eol@Eol MHSR 5 @Eol@Eol@Eol @Eol@Eol MHSR 5 @Eol@Spc @Eol MHSR 5 @Spc@Eol @Eol del 5.bak it's a bit slow, but works :) concerning SED, i need more time .._._ will report on results (the winning application) soon Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:43 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:56:42 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape > recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. Worked fine. I > was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really > happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back the digital serial signals? I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with appropriate signal level adaption. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:44 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:30:51 -0500, "Barry" wrote: > Ha! Gotcha! :) > > All these years Europeans have been deriding Americans because > we don't know your geography or history or languages or how to > order wine. > > And now you don't know what Windex is. Nothing, I repeat, > nothing, is more universal than Windex. What do you Europeans > do in school? _We_ have staff in school who cleans the windows. Do american pupils have to clean them themselves?? ;-) Instead we learn something about American geography, history and language! > This makes me feel so good. :) I am glad I could do something for you. :-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Christopher On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:42:33 -0700, Christopher Blackmon wrote: > At 09:30 AM 6/13/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > > Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. > > Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) And what is THIS? We didn't learn about it in school, sorry... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:24:34 -0400, "Striegel, Alan" = wrote: > There was a standard for this, known as the Kansas City standard (I = don't > know if I ever knew why). It alternated between 1200 KHz and 2400 KHz > signals for the 0's and 1's. One of my college microprocessors courses = used > a Z80-based development system known as the "MicroProfessor" and it = stored > and loaded its programs using an external cassette tape drive. Wow, this has to be really slow! Assuming that you need at least 10 periods of each signal to store a 1 or 0 on tape (so that it can reliably recognized when played back), you have a speed of only about 120-240 bps! I remember I had a "Kosmos Computerpraxis" learning computer, which had a 8bit microprocessor, a few bytes of RAM, and a 5-digit LED display... This one could store its programs on cassette, using a similar standard - if you listed to the contents of the cassette, the tine alternated between two frequencies in irregular patterns - sounds like that Kansan City standard. It needed 3.5 minutes to store its entire memory on cassette, 7 minutes if you had the RAM expansion installed. And the standard RAM was really only 256 "memory cells", must have been about 512 bytes, since one memory cell could hold one combination of a 2-digit machine code and a 3-digit datum 0..255. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:17:09 +0100 Reply-To: srtgray@clara.co.uk Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Hertrich" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:14 AM > > Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:06 -0500, John Musielewicz > > wrote: > > > > > Ordinary windex and a razor blade will take that residue right > > off. > > > > > Hi John, > > > what is windex? > > > > Ha! Gotcha! :) > > > > All these years Europeans have been deriding Americans because > > we don't know your geography or history or languages or how to > > order wine. > > > > And now you don't know what Windex is. Nothing, I repeat, > > nothing, is more universal than Windex. What do you Europeans > > do in school? > > > > Universal? In the same sense as the "Baseball World Series" > > > > This makes me feel so good. :) > > > > Barry > > > > [g] > > Stuart > -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:32:50 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the > frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with > appropriate signal level adaption. It already is. It is a square wave of somewhat less than 300 or 1200 Hz - less because there can be consecutive strings of 1s or 0s. Cutting off at ca. 15 kHz will round the suare to nearly its base frequency, but you can still detect the rises and falls. From what I was told a long long time ago, the problem with audio recorders was, that they had all got automatic recording level adjustment. With all those harmonics at high level in the square, it turned down way too low. IIRC any one with manual adjust would do - turn it way up, this is not Mozart, you don't care about some distortion. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:25:58 +0100 Reply-To: William.Pickles@UBSW.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: William Pickles Subject: Availability of circuit diagram? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My kidz just fried my 95LX -- the 24Vdc external psu 'had the right = sized plug' -- and though it still works on a [correct] adaptor it = guzzles batteries due to a 300mA near-short. Has anybody been here before and can guess what needs to be replaced ? Anybody in the UK repair these ? Anybody got a dead screen / dead case / good motherboard ? William [and excuse the following verbiage] Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:31:32 +0200 Reply-To: Alan Krempler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Alan Krempler Subject: Re: hacking IrDA Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in 2001, i sent two mails to info@dasoft.com, but got no reply. maybe both messages got lost on their way. anyway, if you can help or share an interface to your irda stack or even a piece of code - building upon your work would be much easier than reengineering the old hp drivers. i would like to integrate the stack into sysmgr, so any application using the com port could choose the "alternate" port to use ircomm. in another step, another interface could be provided for the obex protocol. if you can support us with code or ideas, any help is appreciated alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Alan Krempler" ; Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: hacking IrDA > At 6/13/02 +0200, you wrote: > >i tried hacking the hp irda stack (from irda097 from super) and succeeded in > >connecting it to the "alternate" com port of the 200lx and opening an ircomm > >connection from the built-in terminal application, but it wouldn't run > >stable. > > > >we could also ask d&a software if they would share the irda stack they use > >for www/lx and the ir.exe utility. i got no reply from them, but maybe > >someone with better relations to d&a could ask. > > > Strange! No request arrived at info@dasoft.com. What email address did you > use? > > > Avi > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:52:17 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: Re: SV: HP LJ 4050TN IR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Hello! > > I have not set up my HP200:s for printing to a HP LJ 4050NT via IRDA but > only to HP 6P.s, but the basics should be the same(?). First install > IRDA97 from SUPER. After that you have to prepare an initialisation > string as per your preference of fonttype, size and other properties and > put into the printer setup for each applicaton. Information re that > should be in your HP manual as it was in in mine. My own string goes > like this: \027(8U\027(s1p10vs0b16602T and then prints using Roman-8 Thanks a lot for reply. I tried IRDA97 before, but no success. I guess the problem is in printer initialization: the IR transfer seems to be functional [the LED on printer flashes while transfering], but no printing, still READY. I don't have any idea how to tell Print! to the printer. It is set up to receive postscript documents, maybe that's the problem :( I tried \027(8U\027(S0P and to prepend \027%0A, \027%0B to switch to PCL and HP-GL/2 mode, no success. I have no Esc-code list to play with except of the few taken from the printer manual :( The printer is networked, so I cannot play with settings much Where can I find the Esc-codes? Thanks for help -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: eCs John Musielewicz wrote: > Thanks for the information Barry. Since it seems alot of information > is needed about both OS/2 and Linux what would be a good source? Would > IBM or the people that release eCs help with OS/2 information- do you > think? I know IBM is big into Linux so programmers there might have > ported code either way already. Would this be the kind of thing they > would want money for? I wouldn't want to pay for anything since the > driver would be released as freeware and I wouldn't be getting any > compensation- except satisfation. I could probably get alot of info on > Linux through the newsgroups since it is freeware and of course alot > by looking at Linux driver source. It would help if I could find a > port of linux code that has already been done for OS/2 so I can see > how they relate- do you know of any? Thanks again for the information > its very helpful. John I think the comment about recompiling GPL code being easy applies to compiling on different versions of similar Linux/Unix distributions. The OS/2 system API is different from the Unix calls. Though, of course, they will have similar functionality. Yes, there have been other Linux device driver porting attempts. Check the ecomstation news groups (on Serenity's servers I think) and look for past porting threads on the comp.os.os2.* newsgroups. Hobbes has device driver and programming sections, lots of stuff there and some of it might mean something. And Barry's pointer is probably a good start for IBM's site to get a DDK and the assembler. IBM does a remarkably poor job with its internal search engine sometimes. Amazon / e-Bay for OS/2 books and compilers. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:39:30 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: patched VC 4.99 for DS 200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Radek On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:55:11 +0200, Radek Svagr wrote: > I patched a Volkov commander 5 (latest 4.99alpha) to let it work on > doublespeeded 200lx. > If anybody interested I can send it. > > Note: For version 4.0x (except 4.05) There is a patch for it by > Mack Bagette from T2T on Super. Please send the patch to me. Where can I get the original VC 5 version? I could put your rpatch also on SUPER. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:54:29 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I had a radio shack recorder and it worked fine. Donated it and a good Model > 100 to a charity sale. Any decent recorder can work, as long as you don't > use too cheap a tape I think. The 100/102, etc. did start and stop the tape > I had a generic cheapo tape recorder, which I originally bought for use with my Sinclair ZX-81 (a.k.a. Timex-Sinclair 1000) and it also worked fine with my Tandy Model 100. I actually found that the cheap cassette tapes, sold in bundles of six at my local convenience store, worked best of all. (I seem to remember reading somewhere that the tape used in many cheap cassettes was originally intended for data recording by the mainframes of the day, so these cassettes were naturally better suited to data than audio.) The tape recorder went into the attic when I bought a floppy drive for the 100. Very cool! Runs on AAs or AC adapter, and extremely rugged. Only writes 100K to a SS 3.5 inch diskette though. I often thought about hooking it up to my 200LX. I remember that someone did write a DOS driver for it. Has anybody ever tried this? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:15:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C213AD.F34F0FB0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AD.F34F0FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Of course it was slow, but we were writing code in Assembler back then so programs were very small. By the way, please ignore the units mis-match in what I originally wrote. The Kansas City standard used 1200 and 2400 Hz, not KHz. It was intended to make use of the audible range of cheap cassette recorders. As long as we're reminiscing, it seems to me that for this particular course I was carrying around a cassette tape with 10 or 12 of my programs for the MicroProfessor on it. I had routines that would scroll words in a marquee effect across the 7-segment LEDs -- forward, backward, up, down, anything you typed in. Alan Striegel -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:44 AM >... >Wow, this has to be really slow! >Assuming that you need at least 10 periods of each signal to store a 1 >or 0 on tape (so that it can reliably recognized when played back), you >have a speed of only about 120-240 bps! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AD.F34F0FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Nearly fluff: Tape backup?

Of course it was slow, but we were writing code in = Assembler back then so programs were very small.

By the way, please ignore the units mis-match in what = I originally wrote.  The Kansas City standard used 1200 and 2400 = Hz, not KHz.  It was intended to make use of the audible range of = cheap cassette recorders.

As long as we're reminiscing, it seems to me that for = this particular course I was carrying around a cassette tape with 10 or = 12 of my programs for the MicroProfessor on it.  I had routines = that would scroll words in a marquee effect across the 7-segment LEDs = -- forward, backward, up, down, anything you typed in.

Alan Striegel

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE= ]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:44 AM
>...
>Wow, this  has to be really slow!
>Assuming that you need at least 10 periods of = each signal to store a 1
>or 0 on tape (so that it can reliably recognized = when played back), you
>have a speed of only about 120-240 bps!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AD.F34F0FB0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:45:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Hi friends On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:56:42 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape > recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. Worked fine. I > was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really > happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. > But do these recorders you all speak about really > record / play back the digital serial signals? > I always thought that the signals had to be > modulated into the frequency band a tape recorder > can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with > appropriate signal level adaption. The Color Computer and the Model 100 had a dac behind the cassette port. A six bit dac in the case of the Color Computer. I'm not sure of the size in the Model 100. The serial port wasn't used. However from what these guys have been saying, it might make sense to use the serial port. My first reaction was that it wouldn't work. But what they're saying makes sense. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:53:42 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx > Instead we learn something about American geography, > history and language! What a waste of time! :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:56:42 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? > Wow, this has to be really slow! > Assuming that you need at least 10 periods > of each signal to store a 1 or 0 on tape (so > that it can reliably recognized when played > back), you have a speed of only about > 120-240 bps! Using the analog cassette port I think I remember the cassette was 1500 bps. Actually I don't remember if it was bits or bytes. It wasn't real fast. But programs were small so that didn't matter much. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:57:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx Comments: To: srtgray@clara.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Gray" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx > > Universal? In the same sense as the "Baseball World Series" Yeah, Kind of like that. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:55:48 +0800 Reply-To: Jorgen Wallgren Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jorgen Wallgren Subject: A Potential Wireless LAN... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I can see that I am not alone, wanting a Wireless LAn card to work with 200LX! :-) I just saw that the Symbol CFI wireless LAN card has a Linux driver with source code. Could that be helpful for a programmer with the knowledge to port it to DOS? I am not sure how many mA the card takes, but it has an output of 100mW. If a driver could be written for 200LX, and the card doesn't take too much mA- maybe a small ext/renal flat battery package could be created to connect to the AC adapter port in order to support the card....??? Just an idea... Regards, Jorgen ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:12:47 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: backligting kit for 200lx In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:46 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Christopher > >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:42:33 -0700, Christopher Blackmon = wrote: > >> At 09:30 AM 6/13/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >> > Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. >> >> Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) > >And what is THIS? We didn't learn about it in school, sorry... > >GTX >daniel I can understand not knowing about windex which is a brand name but duct tape? (shakes head) Daniel I'm afraid we are going to send you out for some frequency grease. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:11:05 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Alley Cat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheiz a bit late, but... On Sat, 11 May 2002 14:08:21 +0200, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > :( it works better, but still the windows dont open very often and some > things are different from the noraml, 55076 bytes version. That 55K = version > works perfect on my P3 733 but doenst on the 200lx. What could be the > difference? Some timing things don't work? Is there a clock battery on = the > mainboard? Bye, ...no, there is no extra clock battery on the mainboard * everything is driven by the two main AA cells. I have no idea why both alleycat versions don't work for you. At least the one I sent to you works quite well on my LX. Mine is a double-speed, though. Could be that it is some timing problem. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:43 +0200, you wrote: >Hi friends > >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:56:42 -0500, John Musielewicz = wrote: > >> I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape >> recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. Worked fine. I >> was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really >> happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. > >But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back >the digital serial signals? >I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the >frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with >appropriate signal level adaption. > >GTX >daniel I have never used a tape recorder with any other computer and I never tried to understand how the color computer did it so I don't know whether you do need frequency modulation. I do know that the circuitry of a recorder can copy digital signals to tape I've seen it used in other equipment. I've compared the schematic of a standard tape recorder to a tape recorder copying digital signals and there wasn't much differance- I didn't see any special circuitry that might have been modulating the circuit. So I guess what I'm saying is I don't know:). Remember that analog circuitry can be driven by digital signals since digital is really nothing more that a stable pulsed voltage.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:19:55 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: hacking IrDA Comments: To: Alan Krempler In-Reply-To: <006d01c2138b$9967e520$81c2fea9@alanp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll see what I can do. I went through all my emails starting in 2000 (late, and through today - no email from Alan on IR stuff. BUT: some portions of the email file were lost. So it could have been in there... Does not matter really. I wrote to Andreas to see what can be done. Avi At 6/14/02 +0200, you wrote: >in 2001, i sent two mails to info@dasoft.com, but got no reply. maybe both >messages got lost on their way. [snip] ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:36:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:43:46 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Alan > >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:24:34 -0400, "Striegel, Alan" = wrote: > >> There was a standard for this, known as the Kansas City standard (I = don't >> know if I ever knew why). It alternated between 1200 KHz and 2400 KHz >> signals for the 0's and 1's. One of my college microprocessors = courses used >> a Z80-based development system known as the "MicroProfessor" and it = stored >> and loaded its programs using an external cassette tape drive. > >Wow, this has to be really slow! >Assuming that you need at least 10 periods of each signal to store a 1 >or 0 on tape (so that it can reliably recognized when played back), you >have a speed of only about 120-240 bps! > >I remember I had a "Kosmos Computerpraxis" learning computer, which had >a 8bit microprocessor, a few bytes of RAM, and a 5-digit LED display... >This one could store its programs on cassette, using a similar standard >- if you listed to the contents of the cassette, the tine alternated >between two frequencies in irregular patterns - sounds like that Kansan >City standard. It needed 3.5 minutes to store its entire memory on >cassette, 7 minutes if you had the RAM expansion installed. And the >standard RAM was really only 256 "memory cells", must have been about >512 bytes, since one memory cell could hold one combination of a >2-digit machine code and a 3-digit datum 0..255. > >GTX >daniel So then the hard part is writing the software to modulate the signals properly. I wonder what langauge the guy wrote the backup software in. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:37:39 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: Re: Alley Cat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well that version DID work, but it still differs from the PC version. The windows DO open, but in PC version the windows open even more often. Well.. tomorrow i will have my 48MB ATA Flashcard for 30 euro so then im gonnoa put some cool things on my LX :) Bye Cheiz ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Hertrich To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Alley Cat Hi Cheiz a bit late, but... On Sat, 11 May 2002 14:08:21 +0200, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > :( it works better, but still the windows dont open very often and some > things are different from the noraml, 55076 bytes version. That 55K version > works perfect on my P3 733 but doenst on the 200lx. What could be the > difference? Some timing things don't work? Is there a clock battery on the > mainboard? Bye, ...no, there is no extra clock battery on the mainboard * everything is driven by the two main AA cells. I have no idea why both alleycat versions don't work for you. At least the one I sent to you works quite well on my LX. Mine is a double-speed, though. Could be that it is some timing problem. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:41:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Thoms, Shane - SGIG" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Thoms, Shane - SGIG" Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C213C2.669CCB10" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213C2.669CCB10 Content-Type: text/plain As a COCO user (back in the day) the tape recorder recorded an analog signal. It was/sounded just like a modem. Shane > >> I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape > >> recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had. > Worked fine. I > >> was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really > >> happy once I got the floppy disk drive though. > > > >But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back > >the digital serial signals? > >I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the > >frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz > analogue with > >appropriate signal level adaption. > > I have never used a tape recorder with any other computer and I never > tried to understand how the color computer did it so I don't know > whether you do need frequency modulation. I do know that the circuitry > of a recorder can copy digital signals to tape I've seen it used in > other equipment. I've compared the schematic of a standard tape > recorder to a tape recorder copying digital signals and there wasn't > much differance- I didn't see any special circuitry that might have > been modulating the circuit. So I guess what I'm saying is I don't > know:). Remember that analog circuitry can be driven by digital > signals since digital is really nothing more that a stable pulsed > voltage. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213C2.669CCB10 Content-Type: text/html RE: Nearly fluff: Tape backup?

As a COCO user (back in the day) the tape recorder recorded an analog signal.
It was/sounded just like a modem.

Shane

> >> I had a Radio Shack Color Computer. I couldn't afford to buy a tape
> >> recorder so I used an old tape recorder my parents had.
> Worked fine. I
> >> was able to store and load data and programs from it. I was really
> >> happy once I got the floppy disk drive though.
> >
> >But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back
> >the digital serial signals?
> >I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the
> >frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz
> analogue with
> >appropriate signal level adaption.
>
> I have never used a tape recorder with any other computer and I never
> tried to understand how the color computer did it so I don't know
> whether you do need frequency modulation. I do know that the circuitry
> of a recorder can copy digital signals to tape I've seen it used in
> other equipment. I've compared the schematic of a standard tape
> recorder to a tape recorder copying digital signals and there wasn't
> much differance- I didn't see any special circuitry that might have
> been modulating the circuit. So I guess what I'm saying is I don't
> know:). Remember that analog circuitry can be driven by digital
> signals since digital is really nothing more that a stable pulsed
> voltage.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C213C2.669CCB10-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:09:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: A Potential Wireless LAN... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C213CE.AE4392D0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213CE.AE4392D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Note that there are two main makers of the chipsets used in current wireless PCMCIA adapters: Intersil (Prism) and Lucent Technologies (Orinoco). Drivers written for one will not carry over to the other. Keep in mind also that to reduce the power consumption, some of the current 802.11b cards require 3.3V power, not 5V. I don't know whether that is an issue with the PCMCIA socket on our palmtops. Enterasys uses the Lucent chipset in their cards and Enterasys provides DOS drivers for their RoamAbout wireless cards (Card access driver, ODI driver, and packet driver at http://www.enterasys.com/download/download.cgi?lib=roam) but I have been unable to get the 200LX to work with the card. I suspect it draws too much current because it warns me that the main battery is low as soon as I power up with it installed, but I can get the card identified. LXCIC V2.0 shows it as: Cabletron RoamAbout 802.11 DS Version 01.01 SocketService I/O enabled I have another wireless card based on the Intersil chipset (from Hawking Technology) and while I don't get a complaint about low batteries and LXCIC identifies it as below, there are no DOS drivers for it yet. (Still, you know, there are those Linux drivers and source code is out there -- see http://www.intersil.com/design/prism/ss/p2smtrx.asp.) PCMCIA 11M WLAN Capd t2. SocketService I/O enabled Alan Striegel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213CE.AE4392D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A Potential Wireless LAN...

Note that there are two main makers of the chipsets = used in current wireless PCMCIA adapters: Intersil (Prism) and Lucent = Technologies (Orinoco).  Drivers written for one will not carry = over to the other.  Keep in mind also that to reduce the power = consumption, some of the current 802.11b cards require 3.3V power, not = 5V.  I don't know whether that is an issue with the PCMCIA socket = on our palmtops.

Enterasys uses the Lucent chipset in their cards and = Enterasys provides DOS drivers for their RoamAbout wireless cards (Card = access driver, ODI driver, and packet driver at http://www.enterasys.com/download/download.cgi?lib=3Dr= oam) but I have been unable to get the 200LX to work with the = card.  I suspect it draws too much current because it warns me = that the main battery is low as soon as I power up with it installed, = but I can get the card identified.

LXCIC V2.0 shows it as:
  Cabletron RoamAbout 802.11 DS Version = 01.01
  SocketService I/O enabled

I have another wireless card based on the Intersil = chipset (from Hawking Technology) and while I don't get a complaint = about low batteries and LXCIC identifies it as below, there are no DOS = drivers for it yet.  (Still, you know, there are those Linux = drivers and source code is out there -- see http://www.intersil.com/design/prism/ss/p2smtrx.asp.)

  PCMCIA 11M WLAN Capd t2.
  SocketService I/O enabled

Alan Striegel

------_=_NextPart_001_01C213CE.AE4392D0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:00:50 +0200, Axel Berger = wrote: > The thing to do would be to convert them to readable 7-bit, like =E4 to = ae > =DF to ss and everything not covered to ?. AFAIK many gateways do this > already, at least the one between the German MausNet and the Usenet > does. This points me directly to another idea: Couldn't someone on this list who has a high-bandwidth flatrate internet connection, preferrable with static IP address, set up a mail and news server for all LX users, providing such filtering and converting features? I would gladly do it, if I had the hardware and bandwidth. But I haven't. :-( This could be highly customizeable, For Post/LX users headers could be converted to us-ascii or ISO-8859-1 QP, "winmal.dat" attachments could be stripped automatically, html attachments could be stripped, if an ASCII version of the message is available.... - well, I'm just dreaming. Wouldn't that be cool? All HPLX users had email addresses with one common domain (hplx.com? ;-) ), no problems anymore with different ISPs and their weird SMTP policies, And there aren't so many HPLX users anymore, 500 are subscribed to this list, so setting up such a service shouldn't be too ressource hungry. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:51 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:57:14 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > >Once decoded, this one says: "test =C5=C4=A8=E5=E4=F6" ("test " = followed by \=B0A, \"A, > >\"\, , \=B0a, \"a, \"o, with a LaTeX like interface). > > This is RFC822 backslash quoting method. VERY legal, but many mailing > systems choke on it because they did not implement it properly. It is = the > impetus for RFC1521. This wouldn't be a too big problem for us LaTeX users. ;-) We are quite used to read that encoding and decode it automatically "in the head". It is in every case better readable than for example =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DDF?=3D, isn't it? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Webster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:31:16 -0500, Theodore Heise = wrote: > I have never heard of such a thing. Perhaps your professor has mixed = up > the standard distinction that the Web is not the Internet (but a = protocol > that operates over the Internet). I don't think he has mixed something up. He never mixes things up. ;-) He is the absolute expert regarding networks and the Internet, and this is the reason why I asked - I haven"t seen that yet either, but he _said_ that "web" comes from "webster", so there must be some truth about it... I have asked him if he can give me any reference for his statement. We'll see. Of course the spider's web is the most intuitive and logical explanation. Even one hour of searching the "web" didN6t show anything in that "webster" direction. So I'm eager to hear where he got that information from. GtX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:54 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:30:31 -0700, hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > Yes. If you want to do something partial which works for only part of = the > community that uses Post/LX, go for it. If I am to go to Andreas to ask = for > a modification, it'll have to be working for the entire POST/LX user > community. FYI from my records European (including Scandinavia) users = of > Post/LX are about one third of the number in the Far East, about the = same > size market as the Middle East. It _would_ work for the whole Post/LX user community. If it would make sense to all members of the community is another question, but which feature (except the basic POP/SMTP protocol implementation and other basic things) _does_ make sense to all people? Everybody chooses to use only the features he wants. But I know what you mean. We don't want to make Andreas too much trouble just to satisfy some few users. That's right, of course. So let's think about either an external solution or a more general internal one. > Not if it is a partial solution, sorry! Europeans are about 15% of the > users of Post/LX! So if we design a full solution, I'll gladly support = it > and go begging for the change. Exactly. :-) > If you kludge, then don't worry. ^^^^^^ what does that mean? Couldn't find that word in any dictionary. > Base64 is used A LOT in MOST EMAIL read by > Post/LX. Also in the headers? I have seen it in only one or two mail so far, during we discussed that topic. But QP appeared much more often, baybe 20 or 30 times as ofen as Base64. At least in the headers. Is that a regional phenomenon? > Add to your consideration the Far East and Middle East. How are headers encoded there preferably? > I really really hope we design a more general solution. I don't have anything against something more general! I know Andreas likes the Unix way of life (or better: of programming), so what about the most general solution I can think of: Only implement the basic decoding into Post/LX and use an external table file to replace certain encoding combinations with characters? So this could be adapted to national rules _by_the_users_ who need it. The external table could have two major sections for QP and Base64, each of them divided into sections one for each supported character set and so on... Andreas wouldn't need to fill in all the special characters, instead he could fill all gaps with "?" and the users could replace the ? by their desired characters. Then the tables could be made available on www.dasoft.com or delivered with following Post/LX releases. Only an idea - do you think this could be a way to go? Another feature of this way would be that it would be extendable (for new character sets, for example) without the need to modify the Post/LX source code and executable. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:56 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:01:16 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Ah yes this is a totally different approach to what I have > done. As a general rule I avoid changing the raw *.I files. > It all depends how you work - my *.I files tend to grow. > I think POST/LX does the decoding "on the fly", when the > message is viewed. The underlying raw file stays as is. Yes, that's correct. So a search-and-replace on the raw file would be a non-optimal solution, because it would make it necessary for Post/LX to deal with all these special characters when replying to a mail and so on. I don't know if Post/LX would handle that correctly, because actually Post/LX cannot expect special characters to come in from the network and from files (only from user input). > Another heuristic (aka partial) solution would be for the > on-the-fly iso decoding in POST/LX to optionally ignore the > "x" in 8859-x. If someone wants this they could put > Ignoreisonum=3D1 in POST.CFG, for example. Probably we need to > experiment more to see if there might be any unintended > consequences. That would probably the easiest solution for Andreas. And at least for the Germans this would probably everytime work. But it doesn't fit with Avi's wishes for a general solution. > You know, I think that is the best approach - maybe your GSAR oh, it's not my GSAR, I just found it on the Internet and "proxied" it on my homepage. GTX daniel P.S.: I just tried it: I simply added some German umlauts to an otherwise non-encoded Subject headerr of any message (so as I would have run a search-and-replace tool over it and it had replaced some encoded things). It confuses Post/LX. Post/LX only displays the first umlaut, and everything after that one is skipped, _until_ and including the last umlaut in the string. Everything after the last unlaut is shown again. That way: In the .i file: Subject: These are =E4=F6=FC german umlauts =DF and that too. Displayed: Subject: These are =E4 and that too. So this doesn't seem to be a good way. -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:58 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: hacking IrDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:02:24 +0200, Alan Krempler wrote: > i tried hacking the hp irda stack (from irda097 from super) and succeede= d in > connecting it to the "alternate" com port of the 200lx and opening an = ircomm > connection from the built-in terminal application, but it wouldn't run > stable. Great! That's at least a beginning!! > we could also ask d&a software if they would share the irda stack they = use > for www/lx and the ir.exe utility. i got no reply from them, but maybe > someone with better relations to d&a could ask. That would be ideal, of course, but don't be too disappointed if the refuse to do so. Quite understandable. Andreas has spent so much work for implementing the IrDA dstack into WWW/LX (he told me a little about all that trouble), and it would be a really big gift if you would get information about hte details! The ultimate thing would be (for me, at least) if _somehow_ faxing would be possible over IrDA. I am a WWW/LX owner, so almost every other thing can be already done via IrDA (Internet, mail, news, telnet etc). What else do you have in mind? More general printing capabilities? OBEX? Yes, that would also be great: An easy way to beam Phone book entries via OBEX to a mobile phone. Currently, I transfer my whole phone book (almost 500 entries) via WWW/LX, Robot/LX and IrDA to the phone. It is slow (takes about 10 minutes for the whole phonebook) and it uses AT commands. OBEX would maybe be more elegant. Kepp us informed, and continue the good work! :-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:26:08 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: Holding ON speeds up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , some games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port with my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i relase it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does anyone nkow why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:32:48 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:32:50 +0200, Axel Berger = wrote: > It already is. It is a square wave of somewhat less than 300 or 1200 Hz > - less because there can be consecutive strings of 1s or 0s. Cutting = off > at ca. 15 kHz will round the suare to nearly its base frequency, but = you > can still detect the rises and falls. From what I was told a long long > time ago, the problem with audio recorders was, that they had all got > automatic recording level adjustment. With all those harmonics at high > level in the square, it turned down way too low. IIRC any one with > manual adjust would do - turn it way up, this is not Mozart, you don't > care about some distortion. Sounds reasonable. Well, so all we need is a program which blows data out through the serial port without any handshaking and which can read it back. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement, probably there is already software which can so that. Not that I want to backup my sensitive data onto a music cassette using such an insecure technique, but it is an interesting topic! :-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:32:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: A Potential Wireless LAN... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jorgen On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:55:48 +0800, Jorgen Wallgren wrote: > I can see that I am not alone, wanting a Wireless LAn card to work with > 200LX! :-) Certainly not! > I just saw that the Symbol CFI wireless LAN card has a Linux > driver with source code. Could that be helpful for a programmer with > the knowledge to port it to DOS? I am not sure how many mA the card Well, for almost all wLAN cards there are open source Linux drivers. At least for the Orinoco cards and the Prism2 cards, almost all cards are based on one of these two kinds of chipsets, _if_ someone has the knowledge to port such a low-level Linux driver to DOS, I can provide Linux drivers for all cards. :-) So we only need oneone who is willing to port the linux drivers. For Prism2 cards, linux drivers can be found at http://www.linux-wlan.com http://www.epitest.fi/Prism2 and for the Orinoco cards, the drivers are in the current Linux kernel (they are called orinoco, orinoco_cs and hermes). GtX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:57:33 -0400 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to have a flash card that worked faster when you held the ON key as well. I don't think we ever cleared up the reason. Are you using an old flash card? Mine was a PreTech. It was a terrible card for which I paid a lot of money. It finally died and was completely unusable. I don't know how a card like this can completely die. I was so unhappy that I refuse to ever buy any product from Pretech. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Gijs Leegwater > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:26 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Holding ON speeds up? > > > Hi, > > I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the > LX , some > games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial > port with > my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i relase > it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does > anyone nkow > why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to > disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? > > Bye, > > Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:41:01 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:46:02 +1200 (NZT) 02h43m12s ago ... On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:50 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > This points me directly to another idea: > Couldn't someone on this list who has a high-bandwidth flatrate > internet connection, preferrable with static IP address, set up a mail > and news server for all LX users, providing such filtering and > converting features? Hi Daniel, interesting idea! There is another QP encoding : Subject: =3D?Windows-1252?Q?This_is_an_"ae":_=3DE6?=3D I never noticed this one before because POST/LX decodes it for display. It came from this client: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) The HPLX-L server appears to almost do the conversions desired except it uses a "formula" (-first it does identify the "=3DXX" characters stripping any high to low ascii, but any encoded low ascii is of course rendered perfectly) and not a translation table - for example the "ae" above comes through as an "f". I always wondered why the occasional "From" here looked unusual :) Regarding news - I could make ROBONEWS either do the "heuristic" thing (replace any =3D?ISO(or iso)8859-"x" with =3D?ISO-8859-1 or actually invoke translation tables to do whatever the user desired. Possibly this would add a second or two or three to the reception of each message, if translation were required. On thing POST/LX does for us on-line is filtering, which means messages with =3D?ISO-8859-15 could be put in a special box. Or even all with a =3D? could go there, for study :) This would provide your offline solution with a smaller file to work on. It could also move the messages to their proper folders. Well, it depends if all incoming messages have =3D?.. or not. Probably another clunky idea from me :( I trully wonder how big an issue this is. If I, for example, received a lot of awkward e-mail (base64 encoded subjects, or whatever) and it was necessary that I read them, I'd ask the sender to change the format. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:41:03 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:44:06 +1200 (NZT) 41m10s ago ... On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:56 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > P.S.: I just tried it: I simply added some German umlauts > to an otherwise non-encoded Subject headerr of any message > (so as I would have run a search-and-replace tool over it > and it had replaced some encoded things). That will work on POST/LX only if you change the header in the compose screen, or do what POST/LX then does to the raw file. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:23:57 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, I wrote: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > The HPLX-L server appears to almost do the conversions > desired except it uses a "formula" (-first it does identify > the "=3DXX" characters stripping any high to low ascii, but > any encoded low ascii is of course rendered perfectly) and > not a translation table - Wow, I am completely out of my depth here - now I see just the *opposite* - the hplx-l server transmitted this (from same X-Mailer) *without* translation: From: =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=3DF3nimo?=3D And, of course it appears fine in POST/LX. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:06:36 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: FLUFF Re: backligting kit for 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris wrote Re: backligting kit.. >>Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is more universal than Windex. >Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) >It's like the force... it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds >the universe together. :-) now THAT is "Dark Matter" - not of much use as backlighting kit :) if you want to find something universally useful as Windex, Ducky-Tape or Bucky-Balls you have ask the Germans :) ... they call it "Pariser" :) Nathalie ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:07:47 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nathalie, thank you very much! I will use it. Kind regards Helmuth > more XTGOLD tricks > > ever tried the "O" for 'open'? it opens any file with specific extension= . > For example, if you have a file named icn.bat and lxpic.exe in the = directory > xtgold.exe is in with the line lxpic %1, it will open any Icon file to = view > with lxpic.exe. You can name other extensions, like eml, doc, and txt, = and > it will open them with READ.EXE which keeps bookmarks. So, XTGOLD has = "PNS" > inbuilt. It also mirrors "BUDDY" in using only the down arrow (instead = of > Fn+down) to do a full screen. > btw. XTGOLD's HEX editor can easily change GDBs into NDBs and back. = (needs > an overlay from full version though) > > Dr.Nat > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:31:06 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My HP do not speeds up. I have 32MHz and just running dotclk.com. Dotclk WILL speed UP you hp - it changes refresh rate of the display: Checkit Benchmark test: Normal speed: 1700 Dhrystones, 37,0 KWhetstones Maximum speed 1991 39,6 - display flashing about = 20-25Hz Minimum speed 1063 22,6 - lines across = display Bye=20 Martin -----Original Message----- From: Gijs Leegwater [mailto:g_leegwater@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:26 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Holding ON speeds up? Hi, I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , = some games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port = with my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i = relase it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does anyone = nkow why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:11:23 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheiz On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:26:08 +0200, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , = some > games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port = with > my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i = relase > it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does anyone = nkow > why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to > disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? I think what happens if you press the on key is that you prevent the HP from going into light sleep mode. Does it also speed up if you press shift or ctrl during the programs are running? Then it's definitely exactly that. There are ways to disable light sleep mode. You can use Stefan Peichl's LXPRO and set the Time Out (key 5) to 0, then light sleep is deactivated. Or, if you prefer a baatch file solution, you can use the program setit and use "setit lf" to switch lightsleep off and "setit lo" to switch it on again. Do NEVER forget to switch it on again, because then the palmtop won't switch off itself if you leave it on, and in addition it sucks the batteries empty far more quickly than if it goes into light sleep mode. Light sleep mode is a mode the HP enters if for a certain time (apperently a few milliseconds) no key is pressed or other specific interrupts are activated. The processor slows down and so it saves battery. I don't know why _some_ programs let the HP activate light sleep while running and some don't. Does anyone know? I have the impression that all PAL programs deactivate light sleep while doing a CPU-intensive task, and non-PAL apps don't. But I could be wrong. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:06:51 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, It was indeed that sleep timer. hen i set it too OFF, the MIDI files are played at good speed! Even faster thn when i press a key like ON or SHIFT ar another one. So now, it slows down when I perss a key insteeeds of speeding it up... Well, it works so its ok. I just got my 48MB Simple Tech flash card and it works perfectly! It was brand new in box for 30 euro:) now i finally have some storage space for windows, cool games, everything! Bye, Cheiz -->orig msg: Hi Cheiz On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:26:08 +0200, Gijs Leegwater wrote: > I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , some > games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port with > my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i relase > it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does anyone nkow > why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to > disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? I think what happens if you press the on key is that you prevent the HP from going into light sleep mode. Does it also speed up if you press shift or ctrl during the programs are running? Then it's definitely exactly that. There are ways to disable light sleep mode. You can use Stefan Peichl's LXPRO and set the Time Out (key 5) to 0, then light sleep is deactivated. Or, if you prefer a baatch file solution, you can use the program setit and use "setit lf" to switch lightsleep off and "setit lo" to switch it on again. Do NEVER forget to switch it on again, because then the palmtop won't switch off itself if you leave it on, and in addition it sucks the batteries empty far more quickly than if it goes into light sleep mode. Light sleep mode is a mode the HP enters if for a certain time (apperently a few milliseconds) no key is pressed or other specific interrupts are activated. The processor slows down and so it saves battery. I don't know why _some_ programs let the HP activate light sleep while running and some don't. Does anyone know? I have the impression that all PAL programs deactivate light sleep while doing a CPU-intensive task, and non-PAL apps don't. But I could be wrong. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:31:57 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Filters in PostLx 2.2g MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I'm setting up my trusty old 200LX after many years to hand over temporarily to my right-hand-man to help him stay in touch with me while i'm out of the country and need some help with the msg filters... I've setup postlx 2.2g and regardless of what i put as a msg filter (even renamed the folders and added ones just for the purpose) i keep getting an error similar to this one: "ERROR Invalid filter entry - HPLX Mailing List". And this is what my entry looks like: [FILTER] hplx-l@=3DHPLX Mailing List Anyone have filters going in 2.2g and care to share their secret? What am i doing wrong? PS: everything else (except the filters) works just great and i'm running under maxdos... Regards, Ian C. Melville for K.J.G. FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES http://www.frontlinett.com Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:01:01 +0200 Reply-To: bjornn1@START.NO Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Lillebjorn Nilsen Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it might be of interest in this thread: our Norwegian/Danish letters =E6 (ae æ), =F8 (oe, ø) and =E5 (aa, å) received in messages with Post/LX comes out OK most of the time in Subject: and of course in Message:. But never if used in From: header. ------------------- Lillejorn Nilsen, Oslo Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:01:06 +0200 Reply-To: bjornn1@START.NO Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Lillebjorn Nilsen Subject: Re: Filters in PostLx 2.2g MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This works for me: [FILTER] HPLX=3Dhplx My file for this stuff is hplx.i On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:31:57 -0400, "K. Jerome Goodial" wrote: > > I've setup postlx 2.2g and regardless of what i put as a msg filter > (even renamed the folders and added ones just for the purpose) i keep > getting an error similar to this one: "ERROR Invalid filter entry - > HPLX Mailing List". And this is what my entry looks like: > > [FILTER] > hplx-l@=3DHPLX Mailing List > > Anyone have filters going in 2.2g and care to share their secret? > What am i doing wrong? ------------------- Lillebjorn Nilsen, Oslo Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:21:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Filters in PostLx 2.2g MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jerome On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:31:57 -0400, "K. Jerome Goodial" wrote: > [FILTER] > hplx-l@=3DHPLX Mailing List > > Anyone have filters going in 2.2g and care to share their secret? > What am i doing wrong? Don'T enter the _Alias_ of the folder, but the short folder name behind the =3D, e.g. hplx-l@=3Dhplxl if you have created a folder "hplxl" for the list. The name of the folder is the string which 1. appears in the section of that folder in post.cdf in brackets [hplxl] ... 2. is used for the files belonging to that folder i.e. hplxl.i, hplxl.i1, hplxl.i2 and .o, .o1 and .o2 if you use it as amailbox with an outbox GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:36:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Webster Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Webster > I don't think he has mixed something up. He never mixes things up. ;-) > He is the absolute expert regarding networks and the Internet, and this > is the reason why I asked - I haven"t seen that yet either, but he > _said_ that "web" comes from "webster", so there must be some truth > about it... I have asked him if he can give me any reference for his > statement. We'll see. > Of course the spider's web is the most intuitive and logical > explanation. Even one hour of searching the "web" didN6t show anything > in that "webster" direction. So I'm eager to hear where he got that > information from. Here's a little history by the guy at Cern who came up with the name, World Wide Web. He talks about a "web" of notes and uses web in other similar contexts and he never mentions Webster, but he never actually tells why he chose that word. But I think it's fairly plain that it was meant to be descriptive. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:34:42 -0200 Reply-To: Pierre TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: Diet, Files Compressor, how to activate TSR function Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, The outputs, on my HPLX, of the following commands are : C:\>diet -z Stayed on memory! retrieved files : original created files : original at read only open : melt to temporary files compress operaton : automatic file size setting : compressed file sie temporary directory : current directory C:\>diet -za No stayed on memory! What I have to do to compress *.htm files ? How to activate the TSR funktion ? Thanks, Pierre TESTORI ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:59:35 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Re: Filters in PostLx 2.2g Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel & Lillebjorn, Thanks very much for your pointers and quick replies! I'm all set to go and the msg filters are working just fine! PostLx makes still puts a 200LX out front along with the wealth of s/ware on SUPER! I'd forgotten just how useful the dang thing really is :-) One final problem in postlx tho: when i punch F1 for help i get this: "ERROR: Internal problem setting flag". Any of you guys seen that one? Thanks again! PS: I got a faster reply off the list than from dasoft so you guys are really cooking... or is it that Avi and Andreas are out enjoying a well-deserved vacation someplace ;-) On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:21:57 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: da> Hi Jerome da> da> On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:31:57 -0400, "K. Jerome Goodial" wrote: da> da> > [FILTER] da> > hplx-l@=3DHPLX Mailing List da> > da> > Anyone have filters going in 2.2g and care to share their secret? = Ian Melville /for... K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:33:16 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters in mail headers of Post/LX In-Reply-To: <20020615140101.89E848803@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:20:31 +1200 (NZT) 07h19m30s ago ... On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:01:01 +0200, Lillebjorn Nilsen wrote: > If it might be of interest in this thread: our > Norwegian/Danish letters =E6 (ae æ), =F8 (oe, ø) > and =E5 (aa, å) received in messages with Post/LX > comes out OK most of the time in Subject: and of course in > Message:. But never if used in From: header. It works here, when I receieve a message from POST/LX or from Outlook, with "ae" (coded as =3DE6) in for example. Please send me an example where it doesn't work for you. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:08:17 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: FLUFF: Duck vs Duct vs. Gaffer's (Was: Re: backligting kit for 200lx) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 6/14/2002 at 11:12 AM John Musielewicz wrote and quoted: >>> Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) >> >>And what is THIS? We didn't learn about it in school, sorry... > >I can understand not knowing about windex which is a brand name but >duct tape? Well now actually, what was said was "Duck Tape," which IS a brand name. :o) And as long as I'm being pedantic for the heck of it... On 6/13/2002 at 9:17 AM Feldman, Robert wrote: >DUCT, not duck, as in heating and air conditioning. Also sometimes called >"gaffers tape"... Some people do incorrectly call it that, and thanks for mentioning it. Let's be clear on the point that duct tape and gaffers tape are two different things, though. Duct tape is a vinyl tape with fiber reinforcing, a tenacious adhesive, and typically a reflective surface. Gaffer's tape is made of cotton, doesn't stretch, doesn't reflect light much at all, and has a less aggressive adhesive. The reason? Gaffers need to temporarily tack down cables or make quick repairs -- sometimes within camera view -- and then later pull things back up without destroying the underlying surface or leaving a sticky mess. When using duct tape, one typically just wants a fast, permanent, inexpensive job. Oh, and since I mentioned "inexpensive": Gaffer's tape is also quite a bit pricier than duct tape. Cheers, Rick ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:54:22 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: FLUFF: Duck vs Duct vs. Gaffer's (Was: Re: backligting kit for 200lx) In-Reply-To: <200206151908170109.0675495C@star.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:08:17 -0400, you wrote: >On 6/14/2002 at 11:12 AM John Musielewicz wrote and quoted: > >>>> Bzzt.... wrong... Duck Tape is THE universal substance. :-) >>> >>>And what is THIS? We didn't learn about it in school, sorry... >> >>I can understand not knowing about windex which is a brand name but >>duct tape? > >Well now actually, what was said was "Duck Tape," which IS a brand name. >:o) ooops...I misread it into duct tape. Oh well if its just a brand its not important. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:03:31 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: Possible Virus) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/10/2002 at 5:42 PM Victor Roberts wrote: >I posted a message about Earthlink a couple of months back. >When I transferred my cable modem service to Earthlink I set up >the account I am using for this list as a secondary e-mail >account. However, I did not use it for ANYTHING for about three >months after it was set up. When I finally transferred my list >address from my old provider to the new Earthlink address, I >found about 50 e-mail messages, all SPAM, waiting in the new >and never used e-mail account. I contacted Earthlink support to >see if there was some sort of directory that current customers >could use to find user names. They said no. Either my "new" >account name had been used by someone else in the past, or the >SPAMmers were using computer programs to generate random names >and just trying them to see if they worked or bounced. I had a similar experience with a small regional ISP I use. They are for connectivity only, and I have NEVER used my email account with them, never given out the address, nothing. The other day I telnetted in to do a quick test of something, and while I was there, I fired up pine (a Unix mail reader). 474 messages since the first of the year. With the exception of a half-dozen from the administrators about various techie issues, they were ALL spam. Since this is a tiny regional ISP, I doubt the "random names" technique applies here. Stuff like this realllllly makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Rick ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:18:47 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Filters in PostLx 2.2g Comments: To: "K. Jerome Goodial" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >PS: I got a faster reply off the list than from dasoft so you guys are >really cooking... or is it that Avi and Andreas are out enjoying a >well-deserved vacation someplace ;-) I try to answer ALL the email that arrives to D&A Software. But I did not get ANYTHING from you in the past 3 weeks. I checked. OTOH, Ian M. sent an email on the same topic. If you two have joined bodies and are now considered one, then that explains why I never got an email from you, but you think you sent an email to me The email arrived on Thursday at 8pm something. I saw it on Friday and played with the problem a bit, and it never failed for me. What I did not notice is that you were using the alias name, not the folder name - DUH!!! I was going to continue on Monday - because I try not to work on the weekends, but it looks like you have your answer already... Good enough. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:34:21 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Re: Filters in PostLx 2.2g MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi, Thanks for your reply and sorry to get you out on a saturday. I did get it going and everything's just fine but strangely enough i started off by using the 'i' file instead of the alias more than once as i recall but then again... aaah well, must be getting old ;-) On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:18:47 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: hp> >PS: I got a faster reply off the list than from dasoft so you guys = are hp> >really cooking... or is it that Avi and Andreas are out enjoying a hp> >well-deserved vacation someplace ;-) hp> hp> I try to answer ALL the email that arrives to D&A Software. But I did = not hp> get ANYTHING from you in the past 3 weeks. I checked. hp> hp> OTOH, Ian M. sent an email on the same topic. If you two have joined = bodies hp> and are now considered one, then that explains why I never got an = email hp> from you, but you think you sent an email to me Ian Melville /for... K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:45:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Back in the old days, when the only computer I had was a Sinclair Spectrum (Sold as Timex in the US) I remember that the only important feature in a Tape Recorder was having an "azimut". This "azimut", was a small screw which would move the head of the tape recorder (for readin and writing), this way you could get a perfect head/tape alignment. The trick was to listen to the tape while screwing/unscrewing and then stop at the point where the tape could be heard the loudest. Most programs required this type of adjustment before they could be loaded. I am pretty sure that the tape recorders sold at radio shack for computer use included this feature. If you wan't to load old programs on your old computers buy a tape recorder with an "azimut" otherwise the signal may not be loud enough. Cheers, Inigo May the force be with you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:54:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? Comments: To: Gijs Leegwater In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can also plug in the AC adapter to disable light sleep if you have it and are near an outlet On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:06:51 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >It was indeed that sleep timer. hen i set it too OFF, the MIDI files are >played at good speed! Even faster thn when i press a key like ON or = SHIFT ar >another one. So now, it slows down when I perss a key insteeeds of = speeding >it up... Well, it works so its ok. > >I just got my 48MB Simple Tech flash card and it works perfectly! It was >brand new in box for 30 euro:) now i finally have some storage space = for >windows, cool games, everything! > >Bye, > >Cheiz > > > > > > >-->orig msg: > >Hi Cheiz > >On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:26:08 +0200, Gijs Leegwater = >wrote: > >> I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , >some >> games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port >with >> my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i = relase >> it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does = anyone >nkow >> why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way = to >> disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? > >I think what happens if you press the on key is that you prevent the >HP from going into light sleep mode. >Does it also speed up if you press shift or ctrl during the programs >are running? Then it's definitely exactly that. > >There are ways to disable light sleep mode. You can use Stefan Peichl's >LXPRO and set the Time Out (key 5) to 0, then light sleep is >deactivated. Or, if you prefer a baatch file solution, you can use the >program setit and use "setit lf" to switch lightsleep off and "setit >lo" to switch it on again. > >Do NEVER forget to switch it on again, because then the palmtop won't >switch off itself if you leave it on, and in addition it sucks the >batteries empty far more quickly than if it goes into light sleep mode. > >Light sleep mode is a mode the HP enters if for a certain time >(apperently a few milliseconds) no key is pressed or other specific >interrupts are activated. The processor slows down and so it saves >battery. I don't know why _some_ programs let the HP activate light >sleep while running and some don't. Does anyone know? >I have the impression that all PAL programs deactivate light sleep >while doing a CPU-intensive task, and non-PAL apps don't. But I could >be wrong. > >GTX >daniel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:52:37 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: List OB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My web page is pretty up-to-date (see below). There is some old DOS stuff if anyone is interested. There is other stuff not listed (mostly some odd Tandy stuff). See http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ Make me an offer (plus shipping) if you want anything. Monday, I hope to load it in my machine and haul it off and the items will be no more in my possession. If you read this Sunday morning, I may not get a chance to respond until Sunday late. Bob -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:41:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: Diet, Files Compressor, how to activate TSR function Comments: To: Pierre TESTORI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put in a batch file to execute whatever is going to used the compressed files... diet -z > nul yourprog.exe diet -zr > nul To compress a file... diet -d -g -b filename Hope this helps. Bob Pierre TESTORI wrote: > > Hi All, > > The outputs, on my HPLX, of the following commands are : > > C:\>diet -z > Stayed on memory! > retrieved files : original > created files : original > at read only open : melt to temporary files > compress operaton : automatic > file size setting : compressed file sie > temporary directory : current directory > > C:\>diet -za > No stayed on memory! > > What I have to do to compress *.htm files ? > > How to activate the TSR funktion ? > > Thanks, > > Pierre TESTORI > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:15:22 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and DS32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard and Patti Smith >run PALMINST.BAT, it installs the driver, and I reboot it. put fdhppalm.sys (8490bytes) in your cofig.sys instead and load (re-boot) >Then I turn it off, remove the Passport card, plug the drive in to >both the card and the AC?DC power adapter and insert the card >again, then turn the 200LX back on. no need to do all this, just connect the travel floppy once FDHPPALM.SYS is loaded Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:22 -0200 Reply-To: Pierre TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: [tech] Files Compressor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I'd like to compress *.htm files. I have tested "diet compressor", but whitout success, maybe I have done something wrong. To compress *.htm files, which application do you recommand ? Thanks, Pierre TESTORI ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:17:57 +0200 Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5__?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5__?= Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5_Re:_Special_characters_in_mail_headers_of_Post/LX?= Comments: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5__Tony_Hutchins_?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here they are: =C6 =E6, =D8 =F8 and =C5 =E5. I've put them in all three headers too. Lillebj=F8rn On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:33:16 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:20:31 +1200 (NZT) > > 07h19m30s ago ... > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:01:01 +0200, Lillebjorn Nilsen wrote: > > > If it might be of interest in this thread: our > > Norwegian/Danish letters =E6 (ae æ), =F8 (oe, ø) > > and =E5 (aa, å) received in messages with Post/LX > > comes out OK most of the time in Subject: and of course in > > Message:. But never if used in From: header. > > It works here, when I receieve a message from POST/LX or from > Outlook, with "ae" (coded as =3DE6) in for example. Please send > me an example where it doesn't work for you. > > - Tony > > ------------------- Lillebj=F8rn Nilsen Oslo Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:55:01 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: Re: [tech] Files Compressor Comments: To: Pierre TESTORI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To compress HTML files _in a useable format_ you need to put them into a compressed disk. Use JAM or STACKER, and read the readme's. You can find both on SUPER Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre TESTORI" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [tech] Files Compressor > Hi All, > > I'd like to compress *.htm files. > > I have tested "diet compressor", but whitout success, maybe I have done > something wrong. > > > To compress *.htm files, which application do you recommand ? > > > > Thanks, > > Pierre TESTORI > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:59:41 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: [tech] Files Compressor In-Reply-To: <20020616112345.99076FC69@smtp.vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Pierre TESTORI wrote: > Hi All, > > I'd like to compress *.htm files. > > I have tested "diet compressor", but whitout success, maybe I have done > something wrong. Did you receive the mail explaining how to load Diet as a TSR and compres= s files? > To compress *.htm files, which application do you recommand ? Any program could be used: Stacker, Diet, Jam, ... I personnaly have had no problem with Stacker, and I already had problems with Diet, causing file corruption. I might be interested in testing Jam, mainly because it's free (Stacker is a commercial software). --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- si ca se trouve, claire Cxxxx n'existe pas. C'est un nom invent=E9. Je me vois mal une personne choisi pour etre envoy=E9 au boucher ! -+-DN in : Le silence des cyberagnaux -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:18:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: "Robert K. Meyer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert K. Meyer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: FS: Cleaning My Basement > My web page is pretty up-to-date (see below). There is some > old DOS stuff if anyone is interested. There is other stuff > not listed (mostly some odd Tandy stuff). See > > http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ > > Make me an offer (plus shipping) if you want anything. > Monday, I hope to load it in my machine and haul it off and > the items will be no more in my possession. There's nothing there that I need but I hope you don't mean you are going to throw it away. A LOT of old computer collectors and hobbiests can use this stuff. Please keep it in circulation, somehow. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:40:52 -0700 Reply-To: hobchi@hotmail.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: hobchi Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-5618106-1024242052=:6381" --0-5618106-1024242052=:6381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi friends But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back the digital serial signals? I always thought that the signals had to be modulated into the frequency band a tape recorder can handle - 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with appropriate signal level adaption. The tapes don't rewind evenly so the edges get frayed and the tape stretches and deteriates over time causing data loss. The data is also sequential... The best backup is another flash or mirror drive. Some ideas is betta dan uddas. yor pal al......... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-5618106-1024242052=:6381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi friends
But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back
the digital serial signals? I always thought that the signals had to be

modulated into the frequency band a tape recorder can handle -

 20Hz..20000Hz analogue with appropriate signal level adaption.

The tapes don't rewind evenly so the edges get frayed and the tape

stretches and deteriates over time causing data loss.

The data is also sequential...

The best backup is another flash or mirror drive.

Some ideas is betta dan uddas.

yor pal al.........

 


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Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-5618106-1024242052=:6381-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:13:29 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: hobchi@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobchi wrote: > Hi friends > But do these recorders you all speak about really record / play back > the digital serial signals? I always thought that the signals had to be > modulated into the frequency band a tape recorder can handle - I had a couple of the original Apple][s. I used an ordinary Panasonic cassette tape recorder (Apple recommended one in the 'Red Book' that shipped with the original pcs) for storage before the diskette drives showed up. Apple used it's own modulation format, not the KC or competeing Tarbel(sp?) formats. The data was saved as audio tones on audio tape. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:28:27 -0700 Reply-To: Larry Mittell Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Mittell Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002e01c21540$c27171a0$450d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering tossing in a dumpster. Larry Mittell At 07:18 AM 6/16/2002, Barry wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert K. Meyer" >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:52 PM >Subject: FS: Cleaning My Basement > > > > My web page is pretty up-to-date (see below). There is some > > old DOS stuff if anyone is interested. There is other stuff > > not listed (mostly some odd Tandy stuff). See > > > > http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ > > > > Make me an offer (plus shipping) if you want anything. > > Monday, I hope to load it in my machine and haul it off and > > the items will be no more in my possession. > >There's nothing there that I need but I hope you don't mean you >are going to throw it away. A LOT of old computer collectors >and hobbiests can use this stuff. Please keep it in >circulation, somehow. > >Barry > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:23:36 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: hacking IrDA Comments: To: Alan Krempler In-Reply-To: <006d01c2138b$9967e520$81c2fea9@alanp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Alan - I got a reply from Andreas. At this point he declined. He send his thanks for the interest. Avi At 6/14/02 +0200, you wrote: >in 2001, i sent two mails to info@dasoft.com, but got no reply. maybe both >messages got lost on their way. > >anyway, if you can help or share an interface to your irda stack or even a >piece of code - building upon your work would be much easier than >reengineering the old hp drivers. > >i would like to integrate the stack into sysmgr, so any application using >the com port could choose the "alternate" port to use ircomm. >in another step, another interface could be provided for the obex protocol. > >if you can support us with code or ideas, any help is appreciated > >alan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Alan Krempler" ; >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: hacking IrDA > > > > At 6/13/02 +0200, you wrote: > > >i tried hacking the hp irda stack (from irda097 from super) and succeeded >in > > >connecting it to the "alternate" com port of the 200lx and opening an >ircomm > > >connection from the built-in terminal application, but it wouldn't run > > >stable. > > > > > >we could also ask d&a software if they would share the irda stack they >use > > >for www/lx and the ir.exe utility. i got no reply from them, but maybe > > >someone with better relations to d&a could ask. > > > > > > Strange! No request arrived at info@dasoft.com. What email address did you > > use? > > > > > > Avi > > > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:28:48 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? In-Reply-To: <20020616024559.92817.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Valid point, Inigo. Thanks. For those who might go looking for this: In English the term is spelled "azimuth" with an "h" at the end. Typically this adjustment is internal to the machine on one side of the head assembly, and the machine has to be at least partially disassembled to get at it. There might be a few units around with a small access hole so you can get at the adjustment with a jeweler's screwdriver without opening the unit. The azimuth adjustment changes the angle of the head relative to the tape. Ideally the head gap should be at a 90 degree angle to the plane of tape travel. As you move away from this, you lose high frequencies (and, in the case of stereo, introduce a phase shift between the two channels). While the loudness of the signal may change a little (depending on the high frequency content), what you want to look for when adjusting azimuth is maximum high frequency response. ("Head height," an adjustment that moves the head back and forth across the tape, has a much larger bearing on volume, by the way.) Azimuth may or may not be important depending on the frequencies you're laying down on the tape. If I remember correctly Kansas City Standard wasn't bothered by it too much. Other schemes were more demanding. I haven't a clue what the Timex/Sinclair used, but apparently it was a bit on the picky side. (Which probably translates to higher data density/faster loading and saving.) Rick *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/15/2002 at 7:45 PM Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota wrote: >Hi, > >Back in the old days, when the only computer I had was >a Sinclair Spectrum (Sold as Timex in the US) I >remember that the only important feature in a Tape >Recorder was having an "azimut". This "azimut", was a >small screw which would move the head of the tape >recorder (for readin and writing), this way you could >get a perfect head/tape alignment. The trick was to >listen to the tape while screwing/unscrewing and then >stop at the point where the tape could be heard the >loudest. Most programs required this type of >adjustment before they could be loaded. I am pretty >sure that the tape recorders sold at radio shack for >computer use included this feature. If you wan't to >load old programs on your old computers buy a tape >recorder with an "azimut" otherwise the signal may not >be loud enough. > >Cheers, > >Inigo > >May the force be with you. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:28:49 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: Possible Virus) In-Reply-To: <200206152003310795.06A7DD5B@star.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Thought some of you might be interested in part of the reply from my ISP's administrator. Rick === I would like to understand how spammers are obtaining addresses also. I theorize that there is some hole in sendmail that allows them to be obtained, because they have obtained aliases on systems with no public logins and no other services except SMTP listening... and spammed those aliases. With SMTP being the only thing listening, there really are no other possibilities. === ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:38:34 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5_Re:_Special_characters_in_mail_headers_of_Post/LX?= In-Reply-To: <20020616121757.553C687D5@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:04:34 +1200 (NZT) 09h46m37s ago ... On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:17:57 +0200, =C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5 wrote: > Here they are: =C6 =E6, =D8 =F8 and =C5 =E5. I've > put them in all three headers too. Lillebj=F8rn, Thanks - they look fine here. The HPLX-L server let the raw header data through: From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DC6=3DE6=3DD8=3DF8=3DC5=3DE5__?=3D - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:35:20 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5_Re:_Special_characters_in_mail_headers_of_Post/LX?= In-Reply-To: <20020616121757.553C687D5@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:18:26 +1200 (NZT) 11h29s ago ... On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:17:57 +0200 (CEST), =C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5 wrote: > Here they are: =C6 =E6, =D8 =F8 and =C5 =E5. ^ ^ ^ ^ Those two will look like a "yen" and a "cent" if you use code page 437. But they are capital and small "O" with slashes if you use code page 850. Lillebj=F8rn, Maybe that is the problem? I run POST/LX in an SC session, and need to specially activate code page 850 when SC starts up. I have it set in Sysmanager but need to do "More menu A T ENTER" from each SC session where I want code page 850. I do this by running sm.bat file on startup - here is sm.bat: @ECHO OFF REM For a DOS session with Sysman terminated: REM - this starts and stops Sysman REM - useful for activating code page in SC session d:\bin\pushkeys /i d:\bin\pushkeys c:\_dat\sm.mac 200 d:\bin\pushkeys /u where sm.mac is a saved SM macro with this content: #22#{More}{Menu}at{Enter} - Tony Ahha, this solves a problem I mentioned in RWEBFULL.DOC: "You will need code page 850 active in DOS to show certain characters. Using SC on an English palmtop, the only way I found to activate code page 850 is to run 200 then terminate it. Then I can see Norwegian characters properly for example. However, this is not necessary for seeing proper French or German characters." ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:34:45 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: Larry Mittell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Mittell wrote: > > How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of > original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering > tossing in a dumpster. > > Larry Mittell Post it on Ebay. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:49:42 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5_-_Special_chars_in_hdrs_of_Post/LX?= In-Reply-To: <20020616121757.553C687D5@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, this is a re-post, with a shortened Subject to see if the HPLX-L server will transmit it as one line. Meanwhile I discovered yet another =3D?..?=3D encoding : =3D?us-ascii?Q?a_b_c?=3D In the example I saw there was actually *nothing* encoded after the Q?.. they were all low ascii characters. This came from the ms outlook client, and has to be a clear example of extreme eagerness to "encode", as nothing was encoded. POST/LX displays this raw. There certainly seems more to this than just the ISO encodings. Also I do confirm that `pushkeys' program shown in the sm.bat listing below is in HP200LX ROM. I added a "200" to the text below as well, to make it clearer (well, to correct it really ) ------- Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:18:26 +1200 (NZT) 11h29s ago ... On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:17:57 +0200 (CEST), =C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5 wrote: > Here they are: =C6 =E6, =D8 =F8 and =C5 =E5. ^ ^ ^ ^ Those two will look like a "yen" and a "cent" if you use code page 437. But they are capital and small "O" with slashes if you use code page 850. Lillebj=F8rn, Maybe that is the problem? I run POST/LX in an SC session, and need to specially activate code page 850 when SC starts up. I have it set in Sysmanager but need to do "200", then "More menu A T ENTER" from each SC session where I want code page 850. I do this by running sm.bat file on startup - here is sm.bat: @ECHO OFF REM For a DOS session with Sysman terminated: REM - this starts and stops Sysman REM - useful for activating code page in SC session d:\bin\pushkeys /i d:\bin\pushkeys c:\_dat\sm.mac 200 d:\bin\pushkeys /u where sm.mac is a saved SM macro with this content: #22#{More}{Menu}at{Enter} - Tony Ahha, this solves a problem I mentioned in RWEBFULL.DOC: "You will need code page 850 active in DOS to show certain characters. Using SC on an English palmtop, the only way I found to activate code page 850 is to run 200 then terminate it. Then I can see Norwegian characters properly for example. However, this is not necessary for seeing proper French or German characters." ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:20:09 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: Larry Mittell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mittell" To: "Barry" ; Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement > How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of > original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering > tossing in a dumpster. Newsgroups are one place to look. The ones I know of are comp.sys.tandy and comp.os.cpm. I'm sure there are others. A lot of people on both of those groups also have a strong interest in early IBM pcs. There are also a lot of collectors on websites. A google search on computer+museum should find a lot of them. computer+collect will find a lot of them. And, there's Ebay. You won't get a lot for most of that stuff on Ebay but you can distribute it there with little trouble and make a few bucks. There are a lot of hobbiests using old computers. You've probably gotten a little of the flavor of that from this group but if you look you'll find that there are thousands of old computer lovers around. I used to follow this myself but I've been away from it for a while so I can't give you a long list now. But you'll find them easily enough and I'll be glad to help if I can. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:30:10 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Re: [tech] Files Compressor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erwann, I personally used Jam on a 200LX some time ago and it worked better than i'd expected! The compression ratios and speed were equivalent to stacker 4 as i recall and there was less memory overhead with Jam and easier-to-use disk tools (which were included in the archive if i remember correctly). I can highly recommend it. Of course as with all disk compression utils they slow your system just a bit (almost imperceptibly with Jam on a 200LX DS) but the increase in available space is nice. Just don't think that your 300k worksheet will only consume 300k of available space on a 'jammed' disk because it's likely to consume a lot more--i typically made this mistake forgetting that the reported available free space is an average only. Fortunately for you .HTM files typically compress very, very well ;-) Also, ensure your backup routine is carefully followed if you decide to take the plunge. .../Ian On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:59:41 +0200, Erwann ABALEA = wrote: er> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Pierre TESTORI wrote: er> er> > Hi All, er> > er> > I'd like to compress *.htm files. er> > er> > I have tested "diet compressor", but whitout success, maybe I have = done er> > something wrong. er> er> Did you receive the mail explaining how to load Diet as a TSR and = compress er> files? er> er> > To compress *.htm files, which application do you recommand ? er> er> Any program could be used: Stacker, Diet, Jam, ... er> K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:30:13 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Taskbar/LX... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, Being a windows user i was drawn to a small neat utility on SUPER called TaskbarLX. This EXM gives the 200LX a windows-style GUI complete with a start button, recently-used documents, cascading menus, 'run', help, shutdown etc and more... Cool! The only problem is that the docs aren't in english and i haven't a clue how to configure the program :-( Anyone by chance uses this or knows where i can find some english instructions? Thanks! Ian Melville /for K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:47:43 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=C6=E6=D8=F8=C5=E5_-_Special_chars_in_hdrs_of_Post/LX?= In-Reply-To: <20020616121757.553C687D5@smtp1.powertech.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, please ignore - I'm just trying to get the subject not split by the server. This time I did it I think - the server seems to seize on spaces - I took them out :) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:12:02 -0500 Reply-To: melancon@microgear.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Melancon Subject: Fluff: URL for AVI (WAS Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616132501.01dc9348@pop1.attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Check out this site for some info on classic computers. I just subscribed to the enewsletter they put out. Links on this page should help you find somebody to take your old computer treasures. http://www.classictechpub.com/ > How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of > original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering > tossing in a dumpster. > > Larry Mittell > > At 07:18 AM 6/16/2002, Barry wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robert K. Meyer" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:52 PM > >Subject: FS: Cleaning My Basement > > > > > > > My web page is pretty up-to-date (see below). There is some > > > old DOS stuff if anyone is interested. There is other stuff > > > not listed (mostly some odd Tandy stuff). See > > > > > > http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ > > > > > > Make me an offer (plus shipping) if you want anything. > > > Monday, I hope to load it in my machine and haul it off and > > > the items will be no more in my possession. > > > >There's nothing there that I need but I hope you don't mean you > >are going to throw it away. A LOT of old computer collectors > >and hobbiests can use this stuff. Please keep it in > >circulation, somehow. > > > >Barry > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:19:27 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: Possible,Virus) In-Reply-To: <200206161828490765.04CC5AC4@star.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Thought some of you might be interested in part of the reply from my = ISP's > administrator. Rick, very interesting. Must be some really serious sendmail hacking going on then - I assume the hacker erases the log of his visit as well or surely they'd be spotted. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:35:26 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Re: Taskbar/LX... Comments: To: "K. Jerome Goodial" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://qman.hplx.net Besides, I'm sending you my notes on the subject, direct. (too many lines for the list) HTH Etienne ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Jerome Goodial" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 04:30 AM Subject: Taskbar/LX... Hi Folks, Being a windows user i was drawn to a small neat utility on SUPER called TaskbarLX. This EXM gives the 200LX a windows-style GUI complete with a start button, recently-used documents, cascading menus, 'run', help, shutdown etc and more... Cool! The only problem is that the docs aren't in english and i haven't a clue how to configure the program :-( Anyone by chance uses this or knows where i can find some english instructions? Thanks! Ian Melville /for K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:23:04 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? Comments: To: RickRae@usa.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just realising, My museum piece Epson PX-8 ( The Geneva) uses the standard mini recorder tapes as it's H: drive. And it sounds a bit like a 2400 Bps modem when played as sound. I 'll look up the speed/size of the thing some day. I think it can store some 50KB on a 30 mins tape. Michel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:03:18 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > Newsgroups are one place to look. The ones I know of are > comp.sys.tandy and comp.os.cpm. I'm sure there are others. > A lot of people on both of those groups also have a strong > interest in early IBM pcs. Don't please! The wide interest may be true, but cpm at least has quite a lot of traffic already and they do not like off topic posts. Early IBM is definitely *not* CP/M, except in the very rare CP/M86 cases. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:57:01 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Fluff: URL for AVI (WAS Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement) Comments: To: melancon@microgear.net In-Reply-To: <3D0D0D32.16993.9E43152@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Althouhg I post here a lot, you are confusing me with two other members who have basements with old computer stuff and posted here recently. I don't even have a basement! But thanks for the link anyway... Avi At 6/16/02 -0500, you wrote: >Check out this site for some info on classic computers. I just subscribed to >the enewsletter they put out. Links on this page should help you find >somebody to take your old computer treasures. > >http://www.classictechpub.com/ > > > > > How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of > > original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering > > tossing in a dumpster. > > > > Larry Mittell > > > > At 07:18 AM 6/16/2002, Barry wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Robert K. Meyer" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:52 PM > > >Subject: FS: Cleaning My Basement > > > > > > > > > > My web page is pretty up-to-date (see below). There is some > > > > old DOS stuff if anyone is interested. There is other stuff > > > > not listed (mostly some odd Tandy stuff). See > > > > > > > > http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ > > > > > > > > Make me an offer (plus shipping) if you want anything. > > > > Monday, I hope to load it in my machine and haul it off and > > > > the items will be no more in my possession. > > > > > >There's nothing there that I need but I hope you don't mean you > > >are going to throw it away. A LOT of old computer collectors > > >and hobbiests can use this stuff. Please keep it in > > >circulation, somehow. > > > > > >Barry > > > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:57:34 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > "You will need code page 850 active in DOS to show certain > characters. Using SC on an English palmtop, the only way I found > to activate code page 850 is to run 200 then terminate it. It works simpler if you have LxPro installed: - activate LxPro with Ctrl-TAB - press F3 to open the ASCII table window - Press DEL to toggle the codepage - Press ZOOM to activate the new codepage You don't have to remember this procedure: It is described in the Help window of the ASCII table window (Press F1 from the ASCII table). FYI: The ASCII table is only available in LxPro, not LxProMin. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:12:03 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob =?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=E6rn_?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob =?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=E6rn_?= Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D6?=,=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_headers?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! Have been following this thread as in Swedish there are all these special characters and also as my last name is properly spelled as "W=E6rn" (Danish). I had years ago problems with these characters. I therefore tried to see whats wrong and tried sending: -Between HP200LX:s-OK in header and text -Resend also OK between the HP:s -Between PC Outlook 2000 to HP200 OK -Between HP200 to PC OK With "OK" I mean that characters were presented OK both in the subject line and the main body and also my real name in the from. The mail adress is of course written as "waern". The HP:s are labled euro English and in the set put to codepage 850. WWWLX/Post are latest updates. I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats comes up in the List. Hans Jacob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:24:51 +0200 Reply-To: jacob.waern@swipnet.se Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, forgot to mention that PostLx is used in a Software Carousell = session. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Hans Jacob W=E6rn [mailto:hjw.senior@swipnet.se] Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 10:20 Till: HPLX List =C4mne: VB: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:29:01 +0200 Reply-To: jacob.waern@swipnet.se Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! This is now a resend from my PC/Outlook 2000 set up of message earlier = sent from HP200. Forgot to mention that the HP:s are set up with = WWWLC/Post in a Softw. Carousell session. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Hans Jacob W=E6rn [mailto:hjw.senior@swipnet.se] Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 10:20 Till: HPLX List =C4mne: VB: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers Just to test what happens with the special characters after resend from = HP200 via my Outlook set up. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Hans Jacob W=E6rn [mailto:jacob.waern@swipnet.se] Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 10:15 Till: hjw.senior@swipnet.se =C4mne: Fwd: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers --- begin of forwarded message --- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:20:12 60 =20 From: Hans Jacob W=E6rn To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Subject: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers Hello! Have been following this thread as in Swedish there are all these special characters and also as my last name is properly spelled as "W=E6rn" (Danish). I had years ago problems with these characters. I therefore tried to see whats wrong and tried sending: -Between HP200LX:s-OK in header and text -Resend also OK between the HP:s -Between PC Outlook 2000 to HP200 OK -Between HP200 to PC OK With "OK" I mean that characters were presented OK both in the subject line and the main body and also my real name in the from. The mail adress is of course written as "waern". The HP:s are labled euro English and in the set put to codepage 850. WWWLX/Post are latest updates. I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats comes up in the List. Hans Jacob --- end of forwarded message --- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:29:12 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 In-Reply-To: <17JrMy-28TzuaC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:56:12 +0200, Stefan Peichl wrote: > It works simpler if you have LxPro installed: Thanks Stefan! I just got Lxpro and tried this feature (I never remebered that from using it before) > - activate LxPro with Ctrl-TAB > - press F3 to open the ASCII table window Yup, that works great > - Press DEL to toggle the codepage > - Press ZOOM to activate the new codepage This did work when I used Lxpro in my Sysman session under SC, but not in any other session - there it shows the code page being used but does not toggle (after the ZOOM). > You don't have to remember this procedure: It is described in > the Help window of the ASCII table window (Press F1 from the > ASCII table). I have Lxpro v2.2 - here the help does not describe this use of DEL or ZOOM - oh, nor does Lxpro.doc - I wonder if my version is the same as yours ;-) I really like the ASCII table. This will be very handy! And I never realised Lxpro could monitor memory usage while a program is running - I always had to guess this by trial and error (eg in setting appropriate memory in Appman). One problem I came across - I left Lxpro open in my Sysman session and then switched to another session and tried to start it there and locked p my machine. Oh - this makes sense as I loaded it before SC so there was only one TSR sitting up there and maybe it is not used to be run twice - I will learn . Do you load it separately for each SC session? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:51:35 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:-=D6?=,=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_headers?= In-Reply-To: <20020617081202.BDW11838.fep04-svc.swip.net@swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:40:12 +1200 (NZT) 01h28m09s ago ... On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:12:03 +0200, Hans Jacob W=E6rn wrote: > Hello! Hullo Hans Jacob, > I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats > comes up in the List. This is the only difference I spot - this message you sent to the list from POST/LX had these raw headers: From: Hans Jacob =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=3DE6rn_?=3D Subject: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DD6?=3D,=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DC4_=3DC5_and_= other_characters_in_headers?=3D These appear fine when viewed in POST/LX. The messages you sent from you PC, using Outlook, had this for the raw headers: From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers These view as is - the HPLX-L server has intervened and converted your headers to 7 bit format - I think the HPLX-L server is coded to recognise the =3D?Windows-1252?Q?...?=3D, that your Outlook uses, and strips the high ASCII to low before packaging the message for distribution. But, the server appears to not recognise the =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?...?=3D, and just sends that along as is, with the result that it views just fine in POST/LX :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:53:19 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Fluff: URL for AVI (WAS Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement) Comments: To: melancon@microgear.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Melancon" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Fluff: URL for AVI (WAS Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement) > Check out this site for some info on classic computers. I just subscribed to > the enewsletter they put out. Links on this page should help you find > somebody to take your old computer treasures. > > http://www.classictechpub.com/ I just remembered a listserve for a classic computers group that I used to be on. To subscribe, if anyone is interested, send to The message and the subject should be blank. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:56:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement > Barry wrote: > > Newsgroups are one place to look. The ones I know of are > > comp.sys.tandy and comp.os.cpm. I'm sure there are others. > > A lot of people on both of those groups also have a strong > > interest in early IBM pcs. > > Don't please! The wide interest may be true, but cpm at least has quite > a lot of traffic already and they do not like off topic posts. Early IBM > is definitely *not* CP/M, except in the very rare CP/M86 cases. I'm not trying to be a troublemaker. Do you really think a lot of early PC-XT hardware is off-topic on comp.os.cpm? It's not talked about daily but there are discussions about them. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:19:13 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > If you kludge, then don't worry. > > ^^^^^^ what does that mean? Couldn't find that word in any > dictionary. Slang used mostly by computer types. Meaning is somewhat user dependant, but approximately as follows. A quick and dirty fix to a program. A brute force patch that should be cleaned up in the next release. A particularly ugly fix to a program. A temporary fix to something that becomes non-temporary. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:23:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Re: Nearly fluff: Tape backup? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >While the loudness of the signal may change a little >(depending on the >high >frequency content), what you want to look for when >adjusting azimuth is >maximum high frequency response. ("Head height," an >adjustment that >moves >the head back and forth across the tape, has a much >larger bearing on >volume, by the way.) Hi, The little screw on the tape recorder of the Sinclair Spectrum, was probably a "Head height" adjuster and was mistakenly called an "azimuth" by my friends. I was pretty young back then, 9-10 years old so I blindly believed what I was told :) I will try to find the Sinclair Spectrum's manual to see if there some information. What I am quite sure about, is that there was definitely a difference in volume. "That was the trick" to make games load!! Cheers, Inigo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:24:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: Fluff: URL for AVI (WAS Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Junk free zone :) Avi Meshar wrote: > > Althouhg I post here a lot, you are confusing me with two other members who > have basements with old computer stuff and posted here recently. I don't > even have a basement! > -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:57:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain cctalk@classiccmp.org, for one. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mittell [mailto:lmittel@ATTGLOBAL.NET] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 3:28 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: FS: Cleaning My Basement How does one get hold of these collectors and hobbyists? I've got *tons* of original 1982 IBM PC hardware and software that I'm seriously considering tossing in a dumpster. Larry Mittell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:33:36 +0200 Reply-To: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Subject: Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200206171319.IAA000.62@Novosad3.FWB.SAIC.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Slang used mostly by computer types. Meaning is somewhat > user dependant, > but approximately as follows. Read this: http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/html/entry/kludge.html regards, Oliver ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:15:36 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: Taskbar/LX... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Being a windows user i was drawn to a small neat utility on SUPER > called TaskbarLX. This EXM gives the 200LX a windows-style GUI complete > with a start button, recently-used documents, cascading menus, 'run', > help, shutdown etc and more... Cool! > Actually, TaskbarLX just gives you a Windows-style "Start" menu. See a screenshot at: http://www.palmtop.net/scaps/tblx.gif If you want a more complete Windows-style GUI, also look at X-Finder, here: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/palmtop/ Qman has some tips for both TaskbarLX and X-Finder here: http://home.earthlink.net/~qman/xtips.htm Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:50:35 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=D6,=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_?= headers Comments: To: Hans Jacob =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=E6rn?= In-Reply-To: <20020617081202.BDW11838.fep04-svc.swip.net@swipnet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is what I see in Eudora: Capital O umlaut, capital A umlaut, capital A with a ring. This is a=20 message sent from Post/LX, viewed by Eudora on the desktop. This ok, right? At 6/17/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hello! > >Have been following this thread as in Swedish there are all >these special characters and also as my last name is properly >spelled as "W=E6rn" (Danish). I had years ago problems with these >characters. I therefore tried to see whats wrong and >tried sending: > >-Between HP200LX:s-OK in header and text > >-Resend also OK between the HP:s > >-Between PC Outlook 2000 to HP200 OK > >-Between HP200 to PC OK > >With "OK" I mean that characters were presented OK both in >the subject line and the main body and also my real name >in the from. The mail adress is of course written >as "waern". The HP:s are labled euro English and in >the set put to codepage 850. WWWLX/Post are latest updates. > >I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats >comes up in the List. > >Hans Jacob > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:51:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers Comments: To: jacob.waern@swipnet.se In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was mailed by Outlook, and is viewed by Eudora on desktop. I see capital V, capital D, and capital E on the subject line. This is not good, right? Avi At 6/17/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hello! > >This is now a resend from my PC/Outlook 2000 set up of message earlier=20 >sent from HP200. Forgot to mention that the HP:s are set up with=20 >WWWLC/Post in a Softw. Carousell session. > >Hans Jacob > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr=E5n: Hans Jacob W=E6rn [mailto:hjw.senior@swipnet.se] >Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 10:20 >Till: HPLX List >=C4mne: VB: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers > > >Just to test what happens with the special characters after resend from=20 >HP200 via my Outlook set up. > >Hans Jacob > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr=E5n: Hans Jacob W=E6rn [mailto:jacob.waern@swipnet.se] >Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 10:15 >Till: hjw.senior@swipnet.se >=C4mne: Fwd: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers > > >--- begin of forwarded message --- > >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:20:12 60 >From: Hans Jacob W=E6rn >To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu >Subject: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers > >Hello! > >Have been following this thread as in Swedish there are all >these special characters and also as my last name is properly >spelled as "W=E6rn" (Danish). I had years ago problems with these >characters. I therefore tried to see whats wrong and >tried sending: > >-Between HP200LX:s-OK in header and text > >-Resend also OK between the HP:s > >-Between PC Outlook 2000 to HP200 OK > >-Between HP200 to PC OK > >With "OK" I mean that characters were presented OK both in >the subject line and the main body and also my real name >in the from. The mail adress is of course written >as "waern". The HP:s are labled euro English and in >the set put to codepage 850. WWWLX/Post are latest updates. > >I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats >comes up in the List. > >Hans Jacob >--- end of forwarded message --- > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:55:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 Sorry for the off topic post but since I value the opinions of the list members I figured one off topic post wouldn't hurt. I have been considering upgrading to XP but I have heard that to install it you have to log on the Microsoft site to get a registration key before you can use it. Is this true? I don't like this at all because if I am in the field and have to reinstall my operating system there is no guarentee there is going to be any kind of phone access. So I could be stuck with a completely unusable computer when I need it the most. I have found a way around this. If I get a bootlegged Asian copy of XP the registration has been removed and I won't have to deal with MS's monop;olistic tactics. Now I don't like dealing with illeagal software and would only make such a measure if there were advantages to XP over 2000 that would make it absolutely needed. Are there any features to XP which make it an actual must have? Or is it just another resource hog? TIA. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:49:42 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Re: Taskbar/LX... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow... Thanks for the notes Etienne! Seems like i'll need to take a short course to configure this thing. I'll go thru the notes carefully and visit the site shortly. Cheers! .../Ian On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:35:26 +0200, Etienne Lemaire wrote: et> See http://qman.hplx.net et> et> Besides, I'm sending you my notes on the subject, direct. (too et> many lines for the list) et> K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:01:30 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:-=D6,=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_?= headers Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <20020617095011.26D89D3C86@deborah.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony, and others: At 6/17/02 +1200, you wrote: >Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:40:12 +1200 (NZT) > >01h28m09s ago ... >On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:12:03 +0200, Hans Jacob W=E6rn wrote: > > > Hello! > >Hullo Hans Jacob, > > > I will copy this to my PC and resend from there to see whats > > comes up in the List. > >This is the only difference I spot - this message you sent to >the list from POST/LX had these raw headers: > >From: Hans Jacob =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=3DE6rn_?=3D= >Subject:=20 >=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DD6?=3D,=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3DC4_=3DC5_and_other_character= s_in_headers?=3D > >These appear fine when viewed in POST/LX. When I look at the raw file (.MBX format) of Eudora, I do not see the=20 _?ISO-8859-1 etc. just the ae single character and the umlauted characters.= =20 IOW, it seems I see it AFTER the translation took place and the characters= =20 look fine. >The messages you sent from you PC, using Outlook, had this for the >raw headers: > >From: Hans Jacob Wfrn >Subject: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers I can confirm this too in the MBS file of Eudora, the characters are V,D E= =20 and Wfrn instead of ae or the single char ae. I do not know where the translation took place in Eudora or in HPLX. Hans Jakob, can you send the same two message to me directly without HPLX=20 in between?=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:15:07 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=D6,=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_?= headers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617104855.045dfec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > This is what I see in Eudora: > > Capital O umlaut, capital A umlaut, capital A with a ring. This is a > message sent from Post/LX, viewed by Eudora on the desktop. I can report that Pine version 4.33 also renders these characters correctly, but PNR version 3.2 shows the ISO codes. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:26:08 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=D6,=C4_=C5_and_other_characters_in_?= headers Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > This is what I see in Eudora: > > > > Capital O umlaut, capital A umlaut, capital A with a ring. This is a > > message sent from Post/LX, viewed by Eudora on the desktop. > > I can report that Pine version 4.33 also renders these characters > correctly, but PNR version 3.2 shows the ISO codes. My Pine 4.33 doesn't decode the ?ISO-8859-1?Q?... stuff in a subject line. But that's not really a problem... -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- FF> Tiens, et combien de programmeurs faut-il pour changer une ampoule? Ben, un pour appeler la maintenance et quatorze pour lui expliquer qu'avec Linux ce serait mieux. -+- JR in : Fiat lux, et tux fit. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:37:18 -0400 Reply-To: "K. Jerome Goodial" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "K. Jerome Goodial" Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: cc: icm@frontlinett.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, I'm currently running both XP Pro and 2K PRO on our SOHO network and i'm of the honest opinion that even tho XP is pretty stable, it simply can't beat 2K where this is concerned. The newer OS (XP) helps iron out the wrinkles in the GUI that's inhereted from 2K's NT lineage (the former appears to have been designed primarily with system administrators in mind). I can't think of anything i'd like to do in XP that can't be acheived in 2K. Actually i can think of things i could do in 2K that were 'simplified' to death and now harder to tweak in XP... Of course the 'look' of XP is a bit more trendy and this is no doubt the major part of its overall appeal but the more foolproof GUI and approach to doing things will make any PC generally easier to learn and use moreso by firstimers than 2K... Regards, .../Ian On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:55:23 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: jm> Hi jm> jm> Sorry for the off topic post but since I value the opinions of the jm> list members I figured one off topic post wouldn't hurt. jm> jm> I have been considering upgrading to XP but I have heard that to jm> install it you have to log on the Microsoft site to get a registration jm> key before you can use it. Is this true? I don't like this at all jm> because if I am in the field and have to reinstall my operating = system jm> there is no guarentee there is going to be any kind of phone access. jm> So I could be stuck with a completely unusable computer when I need = it jm> the most. I have found a way around this. If I get a bootlegged Asian jm> copy of XP the registration has been removed and I won't have to deal jm> with MS's monop;olistic tactics. Now I don't like dealing with jm> illeagal software and would only make such a measure if there were K. Jerome Goodial __ _ FRONTLINE MARKETING AGENCIES / /__ (_)___ _ Trinidad & Tobago, W.I. / '_/ / // _ `/ http://www.frontlinett.com /_/\_(_)_/ (_)_, (_) Tel: 642-5492 Fax: 642-2021 |___/ /___/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:59:10 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I run both XP Pro and 2000 and can call it about even between the two. The XP looks "prettier" but it seems to hide things MS doesn't want me to fiddle with. 2000 is familiar and comfortable. I've succeeded in crashing them both at one time or another (XP less than 2000 though). The wife (VERY non-technical) got a laptop in December with XP Home installed. She likes it a lot. It's menus help her figure out what she wants to do. Something that was a problem with her in 98/95. (But, when I tried hooking it up to our wireless LAN at home it gave me a little trouble. I couldn't figure where to make settings I could go directly into with 2000 / 98SE.) Best that I can say is there was no overwhelming reason for me to jump to XP. Curiosity just became overwhelming. bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:50:43 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Taskbar/LX... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:35:26 +0200, Etienne Lemaire wrote: > Besides, I'm sending you my notes on the subject, direct. (too > many lines for the list) Wow, Etienne, is there _any_ topic you don't have notes about? ;-) What a great ressource. How do you manage your notes? I have just started to convert all my archived mail (mainly from HPLX-L, but also from other groups) into MM/LX / PE outline format, Larger texts go into txt files which I insert links into the maps for, if I have only a few lines for an item they go directly into the MM as a note. Much more hand to deal with than in .i Post/LX files. :-) I even index them with Find/LX, so I can do all kinds of searches over all that info. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:50:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: VB: V,D E and other characters in headers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:29:01 +0200, Hans Jacob Wfrn wrote: > This is now a resend from my PC/Outlook 2000 set up of message earlier = sent from HP200. Forgot to mention that the HP:s are set up with > WWWLC/Post in a Softw. Carousell session. Post/LX is definitely the better choice! GTX dfniel ;-) -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:50:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Backlighting TSR Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John still cleaning up my Post/LX folders and found this one: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:36:07 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > Stefan P. wrote a nice tsr that enables one of the gpio pins that is > unused and makes it a nice backlite on off switch. Would anyone like to > see it on the SUPER site with instructions showing which pin it is? If you still have the TSR and the instructions, or Stefan, please post it to me! I'd like to put it on SUPER. since it could be interesting, not only for backlighting purposes. Thanks daniel - http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:50:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: kludge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:19:13 -0500, Steve Novosad wrote: > Slang used mostly by computer types. Meaning is somewhat user dependant= , > but approximately as follows. > > A quick and dirty fix to a program. > A brute force patch that should be cleaned up in the next release. > A particularly ugly fix to a program. > A temporary fix to something that becomes non-temporary. Aha, thanks! The word is even quite onomatopotetic ;-) daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:42:35 -0700 Reply-To: mike Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: mike Subject: LX-MapBlast mostly back MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have resumed three of the services on my site. This includes the map from address, map from lat/lon, and address to lat/lon. I have not done extensive testing, but they seem to work, although they seem a bit slower than before. For these three, it was easier than I thought. The driving directions will take more time to get working again. Cheers, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:51:33 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: hplx.net and palmtop.net unreachable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Everyone time i try to connect to hplx.net or palmtop.net it gives a server time-out. I had only ONCE a connection. Does everyone has this problem? Or is it only for some kind of internet users in some region? I live in Amsterdam, Holland and i use chello cable internet. I have never problems with other sites. Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:54:48 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: cool game site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just found this site: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cave/4031/games.html its cool, only zip files, short loading time It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and popular games. And I warn you... CGAStripokr.zip (strip poker) is VERY addictive. Last night i plyed till 4 o'clock :S. Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:57:29 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Re: hplx.net and palmtop.net unreachable Comments: To: Gijs Leegwater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems this happens every so often, but I just made a connexion to www.palmtop.net successfully Etienne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gijs Leegwater" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: hplx.net and palmtop.net unreachable | Hi, | | Everyone time i try to connect to hplx.net or palmtop.net it gives a server | time-out. I had only ONCE a connection. Does everyone has this problem? Or | is it only for some kind of internet users in some region? I live in | Amsterdam, Holland and i use chello cable internet. I have never problems | with other sites. | | Bye, | | Cheiz | | ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml | | ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:46:57 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Email from Hans Jacob Waern directly Comments: To: jacob.waern@telia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the time I copies and pasted the message, the umlauts disappeared, but=20 the single char "ae" still shows ok on the message before I send it off=20 using Eudora. And an OOPS!!! I noticed I spelled your name "Jakob", not "Jacob" as you=20 do. Sorry. BTW, this was sent with Outlook, but your email seems to imply it went out= =20 with Post/LX. I know what you wrote, and I am trying to help focus the discussion a=20 little. Right now I am not sure what, if anything is wanted from Post/LX. All the best! Avi >From: "Hans Jacob W=E6rn" >To: "Avi Meshar" >Subject: VB: =D6,=C4 =C5 and other characters in headers >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:40:33 +0200 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) >Importance: Normal >X-RCPT-TO: > >Hello Avi! >I am sending this mail, but I am not sure it=B4s clean enough from earlier= =20 >transfers. I will within short send and original mail from my PC using=20 >Outlook 2000. Please send any other suggestion for other versions using=20 >these special characters. As I wrote in my earlier messages, I think=20 >wwwlx/Post Lx is doing and outstanding job and also as to the special=20 >characters I can only say that my "normal" mail activities are well=20 >handled as you could see from my mail to Tony and the list. >Regards Hans Jacob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:51:01 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Another email from H J Waern Comments: To: jacob.waern@telia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, another one showed up. I again clipped it in Eudora and pasted it in a= =20 new email. This is also from Outlook. It seems that the umlauts were=20 preserved on the outgoing message as I am looking at it. What about the message you sent from post/lx? Avi From: "Hans Jacob W=E6rn" To: "Avi Meshar" Subject: =C5,=E5,=C4,=E4 and =D6,=F6 in headers etc. Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:40:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-RCPT-TO: Hello again Avi, This is the new mail from my home PC/Outlook 2000 sent as a follow up to my= =20 earlier mail. If you want some other mail sent please come back directly to= =20 the adress below. Regards Hans Jacob W=E6rn ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:06:29 -0400 Reply-To: Edward Woodward Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Edward Woodward Subject: Re: cool game site Comments: To: g_leegwater@HOTMAIL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You played strip poker on a computer, by yourself, until 4:00am? On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:54:48 +0200 Gijs Leegwater writes: > Hi, > > Just found this site: > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cave/4031/games.html > its cool, only zip files, short loading time > > It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and > popular > games. And I warn you... CGAStripokr.zip (strip poker) is VERY > addictive. > Last night i plyed till 4 o'clock :S. > > Bye, > Cheiz > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:57:49 +0100 Reply-To: Chris Randle Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Randle Subject: FLUFF: RE: cool game site In-Reply-To: <20020617.180630.1272.0.epwoodward@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > Behalf Of Edward Woodward > Sent: 17 June 2002 23:06 > > You played strip poker on a computer, by yourself, until 4:00am? > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:54:48 +0200 Gijs Leegwater > writes: > > Hi, > > > > Just found this site: > > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cave/4031/games.html > > its cool, only zip files, short loading time > > > > It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and > > popular games. And I warn you... CGAStripokr.zip (strip > poker) is VERY > > addictive. > > Last night i plyed till 4 o'clock :S. Reminded me of this which I read yesterday - made me chuckle: "Menage a moi". A three-in-a-bed romp where the two ladies fail to turn up. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:26:15 -0600 Reply-To: ccohen5 Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: ccohen5 Subject: HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure you have all seen this but JIC. Omnibook and Journada are gone! Colin | | HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines: | | http://www.interex.org/tech/hpcompaq/merger.html | | | ...Niels | ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:07:26 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > > Hi > > Sorry for the off topic post but since I value the opinions of the > list members I figured one off topic post wouldn't hurt. > > I have been considering upgrading to XP but I have heard that to > install it you have to log on the Microsoft site to get a registration > key before you can use it. Is this true? I don't like this at all > because if I am in the field and have to reinstall my operating system > there is no guarentee there is going to be any kind of phone access. > So I could be stuck with a completely unusable computer when I need it > the most. I have found a way around this. If I get a bootlegged Asian > copy of XP the registration has been removed and I won't have to deal > with MS's monop;olistic tactics. Now I don't like dealing with > illeagal software and would only make such a measure if there were > advantages to XP over 2000 that would make it absolutely needed. Are > there any features to XP which make it an actual must have? Or is it > just another resource hog? TIA. > > John I believe you can use XP for 30 days before you have to register it. Go for Win 2000 instead. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:58:38 +0800 Reply-To: "R.S." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "R.S." Subject: lotus 1-2-3 questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I need some help with Lotus 1-2-3: 1) Can I call/run a macro inside a macro? If so, can you show me how? 2) What's the simplest way to do this: A-B until A is less than B? TIA Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:32:50 -0700 Reply-To: Larry Mittell Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Mittell Subject: OT: Kludge In-Reply-To: <200206171319.IAA000.62@Novosad3.FWB.SAIC.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The origin of slang word "kludge" (also "kluge") goes back into computer prehistory-- to World War II at least. In general, it denoted a large, unwieldy, overly complex machine that probably wouldn't work-- the sort of thing American cartoonist Rube Goldberg or British cartoonist Heath Robinson would come up with. The use of the word is by no means limited to computing subjects. The first instance of the term I can recall was in a very long and tedious shaggy-dog story in which a junior officer on board an aircraft carrier convinces his captain to allow him to construct a mysterious machine called a kluge. To cut to the chase, in the final scene, the ungainly machine lurches down the flight deck, off the end, and plunges into the sea, making a huge onomatopoeic KLUGE! noise, much like a boulder dropped into water from a great height would do. I don't know if that's the origin of the term, but it's possible. I suspect that none of this translates well into other languages; onomatopoeia (words that evoke sounds in the mind, like bang, boom, clang and toot) never seems to. Aren't you glad you brought it up? Larry Mittell At 06:19 AM 6/17/2002, Steve Novosad wrote: >Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > > > If you kludge, then don't worry. > > > > ^^^^^^ what does that mean? Couldn't find that word in any > > dictionary. > >Slang used mostly by computer types. Meaning is somewhat user dependant, >but approximately as follows. > >A quick and dirty fix to a program. >A brute force patch that should be cleaned up in the next release. >A particularly ugly fix to a program. >A temporary fix to something that becomes non-temporary. > >Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:25:33 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines Comments: To: ccohen5 In-Reply-To: <00f801c2165a$58142c60$121da8c0@alterna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm curious. Why did HP take over compaq? If they want compaq market share why don't they just build a couple lines of generic computers and undersell them? That's pretty much all compaqs are. Mergers are expensive and time consuming and they won't get much from compaq as far as new technology. Or do I have this backwards? Did Compaq take over HP? Is HP now totally gone except for the name? I had better start looking for a new printer then. I don't want a 15 lb portable printer. On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:26:15 -0600, you wrote: >I am sure you have all seen this but JIC. Omnibook and Journada are = gone! > >Colin >| >| HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines: >| >| http://www.interex.org/tech/hpcompaq/merger.html >| >| >| ...Niels >| > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:19:05 -0500 Reply-To: Curtis Cameron Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Curtis Cameron Organization: None Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:55:23 -0500 John Musielewicz wrote: >I have been considering upgrading to XP but I have heard that to >install it you have to log on the Microsoft site to get a registration >key before you can use it. Is this true? I believe that if you need to reinstall, you can use the same registration key you got the first time around, so in that respect it's not different from other recent Win versions (you would need to carry the registration number with that too to do an emergency re-install). If your computer configuration changes to a large degree, then you'd need a different number. I'm running XP on my home machine, and the first thing I did was to turn off that jellybean-looking interface, so in case you don't like that, don't let it deter you. -- Curtis Cameron ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:32:20 -0600 Reply-To: No Spam Sender: HPLX Mailing List Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: No Spam Organization: nospam.com Subject: Re: HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: <8kbtguo19ofhmrld9sbgeqiknv9951pdi1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HP bought market share and more expertise as far as windows boxes go. And FWIW when the new ITANIUM comes about, HP will be at the same place it was before they bought COMPAQ... Cuz that's all they'll offer as far as servers will go. 32bit processors are gone and 64bit is the next wave. The NON STOP portfolio will help them get more leverage in fault tolerant computing. They'll strip the best from the rest and integrate it into their product lines. I hope they go away from proprietary parts in the PC lines. I don wanna a dell or CPQ clone but something more generic where i can replace power supplies and disks on my own without having to get a CPQ specific version as was the case in the past. On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:25:33 -0500, you wrote: >I'm curious. Why did HP take over compaq? If they want compaq market >share why don't they just build a couple lines of generic computers >and undersell them? That's pretty much all compaqs are. Mergers are >expensive and time consuming and they won't get much from compaq as >far as new technology. >Or do I have this backwards? Did Compaq take over HP? Is HP now >totally gone except for the name? I had better start looking for a new >printer then. I don't want a 15 lb portable printer. > >On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:26:15 -0600, you wrote: > >>I am sure you have all seen this but JIC. Omnibook and Journada are = gone! >> >>Colin >>| >>| HP/Compaq list of to be retired and surviving product lines: >>| >>| http://www.interex.org/tech/hpcompaq/merger.html >>| >>| >>| ...Niels >>| >> >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:23:40 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: HP200LX 1MB for spare parts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! Anyone wants? I was made attempt to backlite this unit, but not very = successful. I used an EL panel. It works, but the display has some rows = that not work, and the EL panel needs power converter, which is 2x2x2 = cm. The HP is a 1MB model (it haven't the ram expansion connector), but = i can make double speed upgrade (32MHz) if you want it. If you want = cable/adapter ... etc, i can make it. I want for it about 50Euro Martin Vagner Czech Rep. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:07:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud In-Reply-To: <00a201c21356$3678d940$e958933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well look at this. Nathalie isn't just a pretty face:). On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:33:11 +0200, you wrote: >more XTGOLD tricks > >ever tried the "O" for 'open'? it opens any file with specific = extension. >For example, if you have a file named icn.bat and lxpic.exe in the = directory >xtgold.exe is in with the line lxpic %1, it will open any Icon file to = view >with lxpic.exe. You can name other extensions, like eml, doc, and txt, = and >it will open them with READ.EXE which keeps bookmarks. So, XTGOLD has = "PNS" >inbuilt. It also mirrors "BUDDY" in using only the down arrow (instead = of >Fn+down) to do a full screen. >btw. XTGOLD's HEX editor can easily change GDBs into NDBs and back. = (needs >an overlay from full version though) > >Dr.Nat > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:21:00 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Wfrn Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tony for your "yups" to my questions. Summing up my view just now: For me as a Swede using my Swedish = characters in mail exchange with other Swedish contacts there is no = problem and it all works well with my set up with codepage 850 etc. That = would be the same for all other Nordic countries. In international = emailing I am only using English and I do no see that I would insist = upon using special Nordic characters in the subject line. Then there = remains a small problem with my own last name that is properly spelled = "W=E6rn" (The "=E6" is actually a Danish character) As I am already forced to spell my last name in the mailadress as the = two separate letters ae, I don=B4t mind spelling it the same way in the = from-line. This is preferable to having it spelled as W=B5rn or = whatever. Hans Jacob=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Grevgatan 15 S-114 53 Stockholm Tel +46- (0)8 - 661 3122 Fax+46- (0)8 - 661 3128 Email: jacob.waern@swipnet.se =20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:59:00 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:21:00 +0200, Hans Jacob Waern wrote: > As I am already forced to spell my last name in the > mailadress as the two separate letters ae, I don't mind > spelling it the same way in the from-line. This is preferable > to having it spelled as W=B5rn or whatever. Hans Jacob, Exactly - that is what has been proposed here by Daniel and others too. I dread to think of what the future holds for e-mail fonts. Many hours must have been spent on "unicode" over the last 10 years - the irony is that even "Figlet", a classic ASCII art font program from over 5 years ago, has support for 8859-1, 8859-2,..etc, and unicode. Hopefully unicode won't ever become a "standard" - well, while my palmtop keeps going :) > Tel +46- (0)8 - 661 3122 Here in NZ we do it the other way round - our international access code is +64 ;-) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:08:30 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:59:00 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > 8859-2,..etc, and unicode. Hopefully unicode won't ever become > a "standard" - well, while my palmtop keeps going :) Why not? Wouldn't unicode be the solution to all our problems here? AFAIK, it contains _all_ of the commonly used special characters at once, no need to switch any codepages, so there wouldn't be so much confusion anymore and so many misdecoded characters. > > Tel +46- (0)8 - 661 3122 > > Here in NZ we do it the other way round - our international > access code is +64 ;-) Well, aren't you over there all upside-down somehow? ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:22:07 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Curtis Cameron In-Reply-To: <6uctgu07rp6bm743bp1j7duf9mhq3osv1t@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Curtis, At 6/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >I'm running XP on my home machine, and the first thing I did was to >turn off that jellybean-looking interface, so in case you don't like >that, don't let it deter you. Are yu running the home edition or XP Professional? I installed it for someone and there was no turning of any interface in the home edition, and in 30 days the machine was not useful. But in the professional edition we could turn it off. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:33:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Hans Jacob Wfrn In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed BTW, when you send your emails from Microshaft Outlock, I see ""Wfrn". When you use Post/LX my Eudora shows your last name with 4 characters, the second one is a single character containing "ae" just like it should be. The umlauts and special characters in the subject in the body of the message come across just properly! So I think Post/LX with scandinavian languages can be said to be ok, right? What about German and French? How about latin-based slavic languages? Cyrillic characters? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:18:20 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:04:09 +1200 (NZT) 01h55m39s ago ... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:08:30 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Why not? Wouldn't unicode be the solution to all our > problems here? In theory I agree. But, I fear it would be too "big" a solution for a palmtop to run. And, after all, we don't have that much of a problem here :) > AFAIK, it contains _all_ of the commonly > used special characters at once, no need to switch any > codepages, so there wouldn't be so much confusion anymore > and so many misdecoded characters. But there aren't that many miscoded characters :) I am sure unicode must be being used by folk who study many different languages. > Well, aren't you over there all upside-down somehow? ;-) Exactly! :) And, we are characters . And, I do a lot of miscoding :) BTW CLOCKS v9.3p is now uploaded - I fixed time reversal so the DST jumps are also reversed. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:28:33 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nathalie, > ever tried the "O" for 'open'? it opens any file with specific extension= . > For example, if you have a file named icn.bat and lxpic.exe in the = directory > xtgold.exe is in with the line lxpic %1, it will open any Icon file to = view > with lxpic.exe. You can name other extensions, like eml, doc, and txt, = and > it will open them ... My batch file to launch XTG is: @echo off c: c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 @c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1 c:\bin\maxdos.com -r cd \ Thus applications, which require lots of memory, like WordPerfect, can be OPENED using maxdos; e.g. W51.BAT @echo off c: c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 c:\bin\bigcurs.com c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 c:\bin\normcurs.com c:\bin\maxdos.com -r cd \ thank you very much again for your XTG tips and tricks! Kind regards Helmuth ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:43:09 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: lotus 1-2-3 questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "R.S." wrote: > 2) What's the simplest way to do this: A-B until A is less than B? The cononic way to do it in a spreadsheet is: Use a column and fill with A-B, A-2B etc. For loops and more involved stuff, don't use a spreadsheet, use BASIC. BTW: What's wrong with @int(A/B) - 1? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:43:25 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > since I value the opinions of the list members Here's one: When my mother baught a new co,puter quite recently, I went to a lot of trouble (not only were there no drivers with it, but it was next to impossible to get them, as I could not find out at all, what hardware there was in it!) to install W98 instread of the preinstalled XP-home with recovery CD. Before doing that, I found that all the setups and stuff were far deeper hidden than even in 98 and it was impossible to make the thing do what I wanted. As to the copy: My computer was shipped with W98 and I feel quite inside my rights to use a copied English version instead of the German. Also as my mother has paid for XP I can see nothing wrong in my copying her W98. This is after all the recommended path for those of us looking for software no longer sold: Buy a current version and feel free to use a copy of an older one (unless of course that has been declared free by the makers). FWIW Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:44:51 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis Cameron wrote: > it's not different from other recent Win versions (you would need to > carry the registration number with that too to do an emergency > re-install). If your computer configuration changes to a large degree, You can't very well write to a CD-ROM, but if you have a copy of the complete CD (less \CDSAMPLE\*.* to save 302 MB) on a drive partion, you can add a file "MSBATCH.INF" to \WIN98\*.* with the content (insert your key, of course): ; MSBATCH.INF ; ; Copyright (c) 1995-1999 Microsoft Corporation. ; All rights reserved. ; [BatchSetup] Version=3.0 (32-bit) SaveDate=04/23/99 [Version] Signature = "$CHICAGO$" [Setup] ProductKey="AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE" Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:58:14 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, first: a new SUPER update. Changelog: PDB2X updated to v1.5 LXTOOLS for 95LX added FIFTEEN added SWLX updated DEBUGSCR added LX4TH added DIET updated (the meal planner, not the file compressor!) WORDSDOS added (latin dictionary) LXGLUC.wk1 v1.1 added WORD 5.5 French version added LPIC2PS added Secondly: I have the plan to include the 95LX SUPER section into my maintenance. This is not feasible at the moment, because standard SUPER is maintained using the SUPER.GDB database, but the 95LX section is still only available as HTML files. Would anyone volunteer to convert the HTMLs into GDB for me (or better: for all of us)? I would provide an empty SUPER.GDB template and all involved HTML files (you can already watch them of course at http://www.palmtop.netsuper95.html, click on the categories, each of them is one html file). You would have to cut'n'paste the descriptions and other data from the HTML into the GDB, taking care about preserving hyperlinks and email links, categories etc. There are only abt. 70 95LX-specific programs to include into the GDB, so it is not so much work, but definitely too much for me. I would then simply merge your resulting GDB with my maintenance GDB, move the program ZIP files to the standard directory and that's it. Anyone?? 8-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:17:01 +0100 Reply-To: "Brown, William D" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Brown, William D" Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Axel said: <> Actually Microsoft don't do that; you have to buy a downgrade licence. William D.Ll.Brown ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:24:29 -0400 Reply-To: Sales@Systems-Consulting.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Systems-Consulting Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618032031.0408cec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Windows XP registration is not a registration at all. There is an "Activation" requirement. This is a one-time deal, unless you make major changes to your hardware, that just lets Microsoft know you have their operating system installed. This creates an inventory of sorts based on the major pieces of hardware installed (i.e. hard drive, processor, video card, etc.), but does not know who you are, where you live, or other personal data. The Activation can be accomplished with a phone call to Microsoft if an internet connection is not available. If, in the future, you were to make enough changes to the hardware, you would be required to "re-activate" the operating system with another connection to Microsoft. In most cases, individuals will find that this never takes place as long as they still have the computer they started with. Changing a video card to get "better" display or game response will not trigger a "re-activation" requirement. I believe any necessary "re-activation" can also be accomplished with a phone call to tech support. There is no requirement to "register" the software. Windows XP is a pretty stable system and for most people it's a good choice. Thanks, Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting here since 1992 89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 tel:(860)627-5393 web: http://Systems-Consulting.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:27:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: lotus 1-2-3 questions Comments: To: "R.S." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.S." To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: lotus 1-2-3 questions > Hi all, > I need some help with Lotus 1-2-3: > 1) Can I call/run a macro inside a macro? If so, can you show me how? > 2) What's the simplest way to do this: A-B until A is less than B? 1) To call a macro as a subroutine use the /x macro. It's syntax is given in the help. 2) Since I don't have the manual or Lotus handy I can't play with it but you really haven't said whether you want to do this in a macro or a formula. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:35:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be happy to do that, Daniel. Send me the stuff. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:58 AM Subject: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! Hi friends, first: a new SUPER update. Changelog: PDB2X updated to v1.5 LXTOOLS for 95LX added FIFTEEN added SWLX updated DEBUGSCR added LX4TH added DIET updated (the meal planner, not the file compressor!) WORDSDOS added (latin dictionary) LXGLUC.wk1 v1.1 added WORD 5.5 French version added LPIC2PS added Secondly: I have the plan to include the 95LX SUPER section into my maintenance. This is not feasible at the moment, because standard SUPER is maintained using the SUPER.GDB database, but the 95LX section is still only available as HTML files. Would anyone volunteer to convert the HTMLs into GDB for me (or better: for all of us)? I would provide an empty SUPER.GDB template and all involved HTML files (you can already watch them of course at http://www.palmtop.netsuper95.html, click on the categories, each of them is one html file). You would have to cut'n'paste the descriptions and other data from the HTML into the GDB, taking care about preserving hyperlinks and email links, categories etc. There are only abt. 70 95LX-specific programs to include into the GDB, so it is not so much work, but definitely too much for me. I would then simply merge your resulting GDB with my maintenance GDB, move the program ZIP files to the standard directory and that's it. Anyone?? 8-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:42:40 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > So I could be stuck with a completely unusable computer when I need it > the most. I have found a way around this. If I get a bootlegged Asian > copy of XP the registration has been removed and I won't have to deal > with MS's monop;olistic tactics. Now I don't like dealing with > I'm sure that Microsoft will claim that it's technically impossible to separate the registration functions from the OS. ;-) Actually, I've read that XP does other things while you're not looking "to protect Microsoft's business interests" ...such as using your modem to dial up MS and report on the contents of your hard drive, changing your security settings and invisibly downloading additional applications for MS's use. XP may even have the ability to "repair" itself if it finds that some of its security features have been removed. Can you be certain that any bootleg copy of XP has been successfully stripped of *all* hidden traps? Just a little FUD to brighten your day. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:42:53 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Sales@Systems-Consulting.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Systems-Consulting" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > The Windows XP registration is not a registration at all. There is an > "Activation" requirement. This is a one-time deal, unless you make major > changes to your hardware, that just lets Microsoft know you have their > operating system installed. This creates an inventory of sorts based on the > major pieces of hardware installed (i.e. hard drive, processor, video card, > etc.), but does not know who you are, where you live, or other personal > data. The Activation can be accomplished with a phone call to Microsoft if > an internet connection is not available. > > If, in the future, you were to make enough changes to the hardware, you > would be required to "re-activate" the operating system with another > connection to Microsoft. In most cases, individuals will find that this > never takes place as long as they still have the computer they started with. > Changing a video card to get "better" display or game response will not > trigger a "re-activation" requirement. I believe any necessary > "re-activation" can also be accomplished with a phone call to tech support. > > There is no requirement to "register" the software. Call it what you like. I call it registration. I've always refused to use software that has this sort of copy protection, on principle. The software is only good as long as Microsoft supports it. For doubters, I have a story to tell: The company I retired from bought Word Perfect for our Data General minicomputer for $30,000. There was also a mandatory $15,000 anual maintanence charge, which included support and anual activation. Each year the program would stop running until we fed it a number provided by Word Perfect and if we hadn't paid for support we didn't get the number. Two years later WP announced they would no longer support the Data General. At the end of the year WP stopped running and no new number was available. So our $30,000 and $30,000 additional for support for 2 years went out the window. We had no recourse. We knew that was coming so we were prepared. But still they stole $60,000 from us and got away with it. I won't fall for that again. They didn't call it registration, either. But who cares what thieves call things. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:46:31 +0200 Reply-To: Laust Brock-Nannestad Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Laust Brock-Nannestad Subject: Re: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I have the plan to include the 95LX SUPER section into my maintenance. > This is not feasible at the moment, because standard SUPER is > maintained using the SUPER.GDB database, but the 95LX section is still > only available as HTML files. I mailed you about this a while ago, but never heard back (perhaps it got lost...). The 95LX section is database based, but not quite the same database layout as SUPER.GDB. I have both the 95LX database and the Perl script to generate the HTML pages. I made both ;-) Regards, Laust ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:02:59 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Pers Food Analyst - thanks for recommendations I got my copy of PFA from Thaddeus last week on the recommendation of several list members, and just wanted to say thanks. The program has more than exceeded my expectations. I was originally looking for just a cheap nutrition guide (calories, protein, carbohydrates, fat) to augment my dieting and gym workouts (7 previous years of long daily commutes and no exercise had made me a "marked man" according to my doctor). PFA does more than offer a 4,000 item reference (which is VERY extensible) ... its interface allows for a lot of "what if" menu planning, a huge amount of nutrition analysis and all within a few simple keystrokes that is the hallmark of many good DOS programs. It is the "LXPIC" of nutrition software (apologies to Stefan). It appears that PFA's creators are apparently still marketing PFA but now as a web-based application: http://www.visical.com/aboutPFA.htm which requires a $7.97/month fee. So the $12 I paid Thaddeus is a steal (at least to me). In the first few days, I was surprised to find out how the numbers added up (fast for fat/calories and slowly for protein and carbohydrates ... fairly useful to know when you're weight/strength training). I can recommend this program to any LX'er who (like me) are anal enough to be tracking such data on a daily and microscopic basis, although anyone who's wrestled with a weight (on your girth or on the barbell) is usually keen to every calorie or protein gram. The program only runs in the large font used for the 95LX, but I run it from hdm (a menu program from SUPER) which lets me automatically switch to 40x16 mode before starting (thanks to Fred who provided me with tips on doing the same from the command-line). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:42:40 -0400, you wrote: >> So I could be stuck with a completely unusable computer when I need it >> the most. I have found a way around this. If I get a bootlegged Asian >> copy of XP the registration has been removed and I won't have to deal >> with MS's monop;olistic tactics. Now I don't like dealing with >> >I'm sure that Microsoft will claim that it's technically impossible to >separate the registration functions from the OS. ;-) > >Actually, I've read that XP does other things while you're not looking = "to >protect Microsoft's business interests" ...such as using your modem to = dial >up MS and report on the contents of your hard drive, changing your = security >settings and invisibly downloading additional applications for MS's use.= XP >may even have the ability to "repair" itself if it finds that some of = its >security features have been removed. > >Can you be certain that any bootleg copy of XP has been successfully >stripped of *all* hidden traps? > >Just a little FUD to brighten your day. > Its these 'fun facts' that make life interesting. I have heard that under the guise of protecting themselves from software piracy MS has been going hog wild. I would know though if my modem was dialed without my knowledge and if software was downloaded and installed. Actually I would be interesting to install it just to see if it happens. If it did happen to me XP would come right off and a Microsoft operating system would never touch any system I was responsible for again. What if I have something sensitive on my computer? I would think any pirated copy should be pretty safe though. I think a self repairing OS is beyond the level of skill that MS programmers have though. Their software can't even tell when a file is corrupted. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:40:29 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > I have Lxpro v2.2 - here the help does not describe this use > of DEL or ZOOM - oh, nor does Lxpro.doc - I wonder if my > version is the same as yours ;-) Sorry Tony, my fault: I thought I had released the latest versions, but it went only to some users. The actual version is 2.4 under http://peichl.hplx.net/lxpro.zip Version 2.4 -DEL toggles Code page in ASCII window (18-JUN-02) Version 2.3 -Card battery low warning disabled (07-SEP-99) -New functions in Calculator window: T =3D NOT X ( =3D SAL X ) =3D SAR X < =3D ROL X > =3D ROR X Please note: you cannot switch the codepage under SysMgr where it is always page 850. But under DOS you may toggle between 850 and 437. > And I never realised Lxpro could monitor memory usage while a > program is running - I always had to guess this by trial and > error (eg in setting appropriate memory in Appman). it is one of LXPRO's nicest features: online debugging. You may even change bytes in memory, while any program is running under its own control, and not the control of a debugger. > One problem I came across - I left Lxpro open in my Sysman > session and then switched to another session and tried to > start it there and locked p my machine. I cannot prevent that, because SC is on top of LXPRO. You should not leave any TSR open, while switching SC sessions, not only LXPRO. > Do you load it separately for each SC session? No, I load it once before SC to have it available in all sessions. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:44:57 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Wfrn Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Wfrn Subject: SV: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618032919.0405f220@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Avi! You are quite right that there was a Swede far back had some problems = with the Umlauts This was me that in spring 1998 after upgrading to ver. = 2.0 that had an exchange with Stan Dobrowski re some installation = questions. I also took up the as I wrote "minor" question of the Umlauts = in the headers, mainly in the From-line. This part och the discussion = (still filed!) with Stan Dobrowski ended up more or less in same way = that using WWWLX/PostLX all these special characters went well in the = body of the text but that there was this problem with presenting my = last name correctly spelled after going through international servers. I = then wrote that I would in international traffic use the separate ae in = my last name, which is where I stand today.. Now, the circle has turned and there was this new discussion and I for = one wanted to hear if something had changed or was planned to be(?) and = wanted to hear what a possible new problem could be. I tried to find out = what the real problems could be but got back to the same position as = before. Summing up, I have no practical problems in Swedish/Nordic = communication and as I am communicating in English internationally no = real problem either, just accepting this thing with my last name, And my PostLX is working beautifully and as you showed the changes in = headers did not occur when writing from my HP-directly. =20 Regards Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Avi = Meshar Skickat: den 18 juni 2002 12:34 Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU =C4mne: Re: Special characters again BTW, when you send your emails from Microshaft Outlock, I see ""Wfrn". = When you use Post/LX my Eudora shows your last name with 4 characters, the second one is a single character containing "ae" just like it should be. The umlauts and special characters in the subject in the body of the message come across just properly! So I think Post/LX with scandinavian languages can be said to be ok, = right? What about German and French? How about latin-based slavic languages? Cyrillic characters? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:16:38 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again Comments: To: Hans Jacob Wfrn In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/18/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Avi! > >You are quite right that there was a Swede far back had some problems with >the Umlauts This was me that in spring 1998 after upgrading to ver. 2.0 >that had an exchange with Stan Dobrowski re some installation questions. I >also took up the as I wrote "minor" question of the Umlauts in the >headers, mainly in the From-line. This part och the discussion (still >filed!) with Stan Dobrowski ended up more or less in same way that using >WWWLX/PostLX all these special characters went well in the body of the >text but that there was this problem with presenting my last name >correctly spelled after going through international servers. I then wrote >that I would in international traffic use the separate ae in my last name, >which is where I stand today.. No, I think it was Tomas Moberg, and I was referring to this thread. He posted 11 June. OTOG a couple of other swedes posted they seem to have no problems. So that is confusing. The current thread was started 10 June by Daniel, if I followed it all correctly. >Now, the circle has turned and there was this new discussion and I for one >wanted to hear if something had changed or was planned to be(?) and wanted >to hear what a possible new problem could be. I tried to find out what the >real problems could be but got back to the same position as before. >Summing up, I have no practical problems in Swedish/Nordic communication >and as I am communicating in English internationally no real problem >either, just accepting this thing with my last name, So now is the time to get others on board, such as Tomas, and Daniel. >And my PostLX is working beautifully and as you showed the changes in >headers did not occur when writing from my HP-directly. But Daniel showed they did, as did Tomas. So what's the difference? Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:00:40 -0400 Reply-To: "A. S. Tepper" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "A. S. Tepper" Subject: Habitat of Calamari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just wondering if anyone still plays with the Lair of Squid game. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:06:53 -0400 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Seud=F3nimo?= Subject: Re: Habitat of Calamari In-Reply-To: <016f01c216e9$ae28dda0$480a2c42@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been thinking of writing an update where the player can acquire shotguns and plasma weapons to blow the squids. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of A. > S. Tepper > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:01 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Habitat of Calamari > > > Hi, > > Just wondering if anyone still plays with the > Lair of Squid game. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:34 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm always interested in special characters.... In Hans' message (as Avi noted) his name becomes "Hans Jacob Wfrn" in the from line (and I'm using Outlook too!). His message had: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" in the header and most of the messages to this list seem to have: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 or Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii in the headers. SOME messages don't include any "Content-Type" ... so there must be a default "try this, if nothing is specified" setting??? With all this char. talk. What (again) are the ways to create special chars. on HPLX machines and DOS machines (I can usually make upside-down question marks, but not umlauts)? I remember they're different [the key combos for the LX and the PC] AND they produce incompatible results (i.e., an ALT-something-something in Windows/DOS might produce a "u" w/ an umlaut, but then copying it to the HP gives you a totally different char. ... and the same is true in reverse, an upside-down question mark on the LX becomes something else on the PC ). AND, I've experimented w/ making special characters on a Palm Pilot, in the notes area. On synching w/ the Outlook Notes, the special char. becomes an unreadable square(!). Haven't tried copying anything between the LX and the Palm. Why not stick w/ one standard all the machines could read?!?!? << I know, this is like saying, "Why build 27 different interfaces for palm-sized gadgets and memory cards, so NOTHING works with anything else?" You can ask the question, but it won't make manufacturers change their ways... But it *is* frustrating! >> TIA for any help w/ the "refresher course" in making special chars on my PC.... BTW, 1) what's the best way to make a special char. in MS Outlook and sending it to the list so it remains unchanged and 2) what's the best way to make a special char. in Post/LX and sending it to the list so it remains unchanged? [in both cases, I'm thinking emailing the list] Thanks again! --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:36:10 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm asking again, just in case: Hi; I have a 200LX with both the 32MB and Doublespeed upgrades. I just got the Accurite Travel Floppy to use with it (see some details below) and I have a problem. It works fine with my desktop PCMCIA card drive and my laptop, but it locks up the 200LX when I try and access the drive. Here are the details: On the 200LX, I put the Passport card in the card slot, and run PALMINST.BAT, it installs the driver, then I remove the Passport card, and reboot the 200LX. Then I turn it off, plug the drive in to both the card and the AC/DC power adapter and insert the card again, then turn the 200LX back on. In Filer, it shows an additional drive, drive G:. But when I go to the DOS prompt and type "G:" it locks up. I have already spoken with Accurite and with Mack Baggette of Time2Tech. Accurite says that they don't intend to support doublespeed upgraded palmtops. Mack has no solutions. I sure wish someone would write a patch for it like someone did for the Doubleslot driver. Otherwise, my only alternative might be to have my palmtop speed downgraded to factory original. Does anyone else have any other ideas or possibilities? Thanks. Regards, Richard Smith ---------- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. -- Benjamin Franklin ----- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:50:49 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > I call it registration. I've always > refused to use software that has this sort of copy protection, > on principle. That is one sentence I have to take issue with (though I agree with your view on the example you state). I have quite a view shareware programs that had to be registered and I chose to use each of them myself and was and am very happy about the procedure. Volkov Commander and Nettamer are but two, most others run on the (emulated) Atari. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:57 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans Jacob Wfrn wrote: ^^^ sic! > I then wrote that I would in international traffic use the > separate ae in my last name, which is where I stand today.. The thing I love about this particular discussion is, that so far every conceivable installation has been shown to work fine except of course who else but Microsoft Outlook. Isn't it nice to keep having your prejudices (yes, I admit to them) confirmed by observed fact? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:43:51 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <000401c216f8$e7b0f670$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm always interested in special characters.... > >In Hans' message (as Avi noted) his name becomes "Hans Jacob Wfrn" in the >from line (and I'm using Outlook too!). > >His message had: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >in the header and most of the messages to this list seem to have: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But then the messages changed so many "hands" - From Hans Jacob to me, to the list, then to you... I am not sure I would rely on what's there to be the initial stuff... >Why not stick w/ one standard all the machines could read?!?!? Umlauts _ARE_ standard in Germany and many Scandinavian countries! That's like saying that people who speak Hebrew should stop, and switch to the "standard" - English. We are trying to expand our horizons here not close them up.... I do not feel qualified to give you the refresher course you ask for, sorry. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:56:49 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 In-Reply-To: <17KK8O-1fJiITC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:51:43 +1200 (NZT) 05h11m14s ago ... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:40:29 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote: > The actual version is 2.4 under > http://peichl.hplx.net/lxpro.zip Stefan, this is simply magnificent! Most ingenious to use DEL (a key without a character) and ZOOM to switch codepages - I can even do it with POST/LX - in a DOS session - the new code page shows up after a ZOOM there too :) Many thanks! > Please note: you cannot switch the codepage under SysMgr where > it is always page 850. But under DOS you may toggle between > 850 and 437. Yup, but you know me, I tried under Sysman anyway. One thing I noticed - if I open MEMO, CTRL+TAB ESC (invoke Lxpro and exit) then a hotkey after MENU seems to be disabled. Eg MENU then "Q" beeps. But Alt+Q works and after that the hotkeys after MENU are fine again. Very minor observation - could be peculiar to my setup. > > And I never realised Lxpro could monitor memory usage while > > a program is running - I always had to guess this by trial > > and error (eg in setting appropriate memory in Appman). > > it is one of LXPRO's nicest features: online debugging. You > may even change bytes in memory, while any program is running > under its own control, and not the control of a debugger. I might try this on my backup palmtop . There must be something funny about my CLOCKS program, because when it is running Lxpro reports the full DOS memory is free (520K). > I cannot prevent that, because SC is on top of LXPRO. You > should not leave any TSR open, while switching SC sessions, > not only LXPRO. Yup, I worked this out, quickly > > Do you load it separately for each SC session? > > No, I load it once before SC to have it available in all > sessions. Same here, now. Although I have plenty of free EMS pages - it's great how it uses EMS. I find the front screen of Lxpro really useful - and I really like the calculator! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:56:52 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <000401c216f8$e7b0f670$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:31:31 +1200 (NZT) 03h41m57s ago ... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:34 -0500, Tim wrote: > I'm always interested in special characters.... . Hi Tim, > In Hans' message (as Avi noted) his name becomes "Hans Jacob Wfrn" in = the > from line (and I'm using Outlook too!). > > His message had: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" That refers to the message body. His originating message also had =3D?Windows-1252?Q? in the From: header but this got intercepted by the list server and changed. > What (again) are the ways to create special chars. on HPLX > machines and DOS machines (I can usually make upside-down > question marks, but not umlauts)? Here I do Fn+U then U to make a =FC for example. This is described towrds the end of the HP200LX manual. > BTW, > > 1) what's the best way to make a special char. in MS Outlook and = sending it > to the list so it remains unchanged and Send messages using MIME - this way all special characters come through in the body. To get them coming through in the headers (here, on this list) don't use the Windows-1252 codepage. But, if you don't want special chars in the headers then Windows-1252 is fine for the special characters in the body. POST/LX does understand Windows-1252 encoding in headers though - if the encoding comes through unchanged. > 2) what's the best way to make a special char. in Post/LX and sending = it to > the list so it remains unchanged? [in both cases, I'm thinking emailing = the > list] Once again, switch on MIME before composing the messsage (Alt-I toggles this - see the status line). POST/LX uses ISO-8859-1 (ISO-Latin-1 or codepage 850) for special characters in the headers, and this form of encoding sneaks through the list server unchanged. HTH, I snipped quite a bit of your message - basically what you see on the screen depends on the codepage that is active. On the palmtop I recommend Lxpro for switching between codepages 437/850 if you want to experiment :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:35:33 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <20020618215237.C89D3D2246@deborah.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 +1200, you wrote: >Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:31:31 +1200 (NZT) > >03h41m57s ago ... >On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:34 -0500, Tim wrote: > > > I'm always interested in special characters.... > >. Hi Tim, > > > In Hans' message (as Avi noted) his name becomes "Hans Jacob Wfrn" in the > > from line (and I'm using Outlook too!). > > > > His message had: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >That refers to the message body. Ahrem... There is a duality here: The headers are INSIDE what is known as "message body". The process of sending email gets the address to send to and the address where the email is sent from in a SEPARATE step, before the "body" is uploaded. To make things look reasonable, the headers are placed inside the "message body" and sent along with the actual message. You might note that the content type thingie appears BEFORE anything else on the message, above the headers even, because it DOES pertain to them too! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:25:40 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618143937.0405ea00@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Avi! re: >Umlauts _ARE_ standard in Germany and many Scandinavian countries! That's >like saying that people who speak Hebrew should stop, and switch to the >"standard" - English. EEK!!! So Sorry to be misinterpreted!!!!!! I meant: Why not have one *digital* way of representing an umlaut, so my palm, Outlook and other Windows apps, and my LX can "see" and display the same character, w/o going to those "unprintable" boxes, blocks and odd things! I like umlauts, I do, I do, I really do! .... Hope I've cleared that one up!! Speaking of special characters, time and "standardization" seem to have been replacing some of those characters w/ "standard" text.... I was in Germany from '88-'91 and saw one special character, that looks like a "fancy 'B'" (sorry guys, I don't remember the name of the character), replaced by "ss" on road signs. Thus, "Gie?en" became, "Giessen" (a town about 30 min. North of where I was). AND, I'm curious, to see if the first "Gie?en" makes it through the translators, mailservers, etc. I think they had to simplify the "look" on road signs because people get to drive SO fast on the Autobahn .... I say that enviously in my speed-limit-ridden area of Houston! .... But, here my prejudice can be shown, the German roads were done well enough to handle the speeds, here the potholes, divots and misaligned bits of pavement would shake you apart at Autobahn speeds ;-) Hope I've cleared my "prejudices" up [U.S. Roads: Need improvement; Umlauts: Good ]. --tim PS. I remember people [in DOS, on IBM compat. machines] holding the ALT key and typing a few numbers and/or characters; THEN getting dif. ASCII char. output. That is how I've seen people type umlauts, letters including an accent or line through it, and other ASCII characters, including the "building blocks" for lines and boxes. Is this still possible; if so, what're the "Secret Keystrokes." PPS. To make my special char., in a Windoze machine, I had to "insert special character" in Word; then cut and paste it into Notepad to see if I had a remote chance of it surviving the transition, then cross my fingers and send. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:37:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > Barry wrote: > > I call it registration. I've always > > refused to use software that has this sort of copy protection, > > on principle. > > That is one sentence I have to take issue with (though I agree with your > view on the example you state). I have quite a view shareware programs > that had to be registered and I chose to use each of them myself and was > and am very happy about the procedure. Volkov Commander and Nettamer are > but two, most others run on the (emulated) Atari. Ok maybe I said it wrong. I'm not against having to register a program. But I don't want there to be a danger of having to do that again in 2 or 3 years when I get a new computer and they no longer support that software. I have a LOT of registered software that didn't function or didn't have full features until it was registered and I'm fine with that. I wouldn't really mind if Microsoft did that. But once I have the registration number they're out of the picture, permanently. Or I won't buy it. I did buy a game for my Palm that I didn't know had that kind of scheme till I'd already paid for it. The guy wouldn't give me a refund even though I had no registration number yet and couldn't use the program without it. The number was based on in internal number in the Palm so I'd need a new number when I got a new Palm. I told him to shove his number and I deleted the software. Sure enough, a year later when I got a new Palm, he was no longer around so even if I'd wanted to, I couldn't use the program. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:20 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618153108.00a36120@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:36:48 +1200 (NZT) 01h01m15s ago ... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:35:33 -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" > > > >That refers to the message body. > > Ahrem... There is a duality here: The headers are INSIDE > what is known as "message body". Ahha, good question: What is a body? That is a duality - indeed we may have a "tripicity" because in the RFC's each header is deemed to have it's own header and body as well. For example in: From: Avi Meshar your address is the body of the From: header. > The process of sending email gets the address to send to > and the address where the email is sent from in a SEPARATE > step, before the "body" is uploaded. But the "body" you refer to consists of headers and then a blank line and then the message "content" - which I refer to as the "body" of the message itself. This is not all that unreasonable? I have always thought that "Content" headers, as in the example above, specifically referred to the part of the message coming after the blank line under the headers. If I got this wrong I should go silent on this topic and let those who know contribute. But, you could well be right - > To make things look reasonable, the headers are placed inside > the "message body" and sent along with the actual message. Yes, that makes things look reasonable indeed. > You might note that the content type thingie appears > BEFORE anything else on the message, above the headers > even, because it DOES pertain to them too! Noted, but I don't think the position of the content type thingie is significant in indicating what it pertains to. The headers need to re-establish their encoding credentials in their *own* body - I admit I have never seen a pair of headers like this: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ... Subject: =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3DF3nimo?=3D But, AFAIK, it would proably go unnoticed and work fine. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:23:34 +1200 Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Roger Whitmarsh Subject: Re: LxPro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After all the chat about LXPro, I downloaded it to have a look. All I can say is thank you Stefan, for a stunning piece of software. Cheers...Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:43:32 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <001001c21717$18904570$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Avi! > >re: > > >Umlauts _ARE_ standard in Germany and many Scandinavian countries! That's > >like saying that people who speak Hebrew should stop, and switch to the > >"standard" - English. > >EEK!!! > >So Sorry to be misinterpreted!!!!!! > >I meant: Why not have one *digital* way of representing an umlaut, so my >palm, Outlook and other Windows apps, and my LX can "see" and display the >same character, w/o going to those "unprintable" boxes, blocks and odd >things! But there is one way to do it: that hexadecimal combination that produces the u with two dots on it! The problem is that there are not sufficient combination in one character (in terms of bits) to represent all the characters in the world. On character, 8 bits represent 256 characters, which covers barely a few languages. (Classical, traditional Arabic in which the Koran was written has 309 characters and diacritics or something like it! Unicode uses two bytes, 16 bits, and ups the ante to 65,535 different characters that can be coded. But that is a major item to incorporate in programs, where we are used to have one byte, one character, at least in the western cultures. >I like umlauts, I do, I do, I really do! .... > >Hope I've cleared that one up!! It was clear all along! Most people here understand what the score is and so on. But they have a hell of a time expressing themselves. Also the solution seems so easy, just reach for it. And it is not quite so. >Speaking of special characters, time and "standardization" seem to have >been replacing some of those characters w/ "standard" text.... I was in >Germany from '88-'91 and saw one special character, that looks like >a "fancy 'B'" It is the letter beta in Greek. >(sorry guys, I don't remember the name of the character), replaced by "ss" >on road signs. Thus, "Gie?en" became, "Giessen" (a town about 30 min. >North of where I was). The move is good. German-speaking Switzerland got away for the beta/double-s a long time ago, maybe never adopted it. >AND, I'm curious, to see if the first "Gie?en" makes it through the >translators, mailservers, etc. Did not. Showed up as a question mark. >I think they had to simplify the "look" on road signs because people get to >drive SO fast on the Autobahn .... I say that enviously in my >speed-limit-ridden area of Houston! .... But, here my prejudice can be >shown, the German roads were done well enough to handle the speeds, here >the potholes, divots and misaligned bits of pavement would shake you apart >at Autobahn speeds ;-) I think several other language simplification came in in the past few years. I believe the Duden Dictionary was a motivating power... >Hope I've cleared my "prejudices" up [U.S. Roads: Need improvement; >Umlauts: Good ]. Not to worry. It was obvious that you had nothing against umlauts. But it is not quite possible to make it simpler than it is now. Unfortunately. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:15:46 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <20020618232309.34E16D3D2C@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:05:37 +1200 (NZT) 01h38m17s ago ... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:20 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > The headers need to re-establish their encoding credentials in > their *own* body > ... > Subject: =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3DF3nimo?=3D Avi, I suddenly realised you wouldn't actually *see* the above type of thing in headers in Eudora as it stores the decoded chars, whereas POST/LX keeps the raw message and does decoding on the fly when necessary. One "Content" header that can never pertain to headers is: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - because all header chars are transmitted as 7bit. So that is a clear indication that "Content" does not refer to the headers of a message. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:19:35 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <20020619011337.3AE7ED3069@deborah.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 +1200, you wrote: >Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:05:37 +1200 (NZT) > >01h38m17s ago ... >On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:20 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > > > The headers need to re-establish their encoding credentials in > > their *own* body > > ... > > Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F3nimo?= > >Avi, I suddenly realised you wouldn't actually *see* the above >type of thing in headers in Eudora as it stores the decoded >chars, whereas POST/LX keeps the raw message and does decoding >on the fly when necessary. Agree! I kept saying that point! I see the resulting character, not the iso-8895-1 etc... That's why I kept posting what the results were without the declarations... >One "Content" header that can never pertain to headers is: > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >- because all header chars are transmitted as 7bit. So that is >a clear indication that "Content" does not refer to the >headers of a message. Precisely! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:31:30 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: [tech] Files Compressor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >To compress *.htm files, which application do you recommand ? XTGOLD's PKZIP-UNZIP utility (300k) - files can be password protected, updated, deleted and viewed in the compressed/archived state. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:03:23 +0800 Reply-To: Jorgen Wallgren Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jorgen Wallgren Subject: Re: Habitat of Calamari Comments: To: Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Seud=F3nimo_?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a good idea and then I would start to play this game again! Jorgen > I've been thinking of writing an update where the player can acquire > shotguns and plasma weapons to blow the squids. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of = A. > > S. Tepper > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:01 PM > > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > > Subject: Habitat of Calamari > > > > Hi, > > > > Just wondering if anyone still plays with the > > Lair of Squid game. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:16:30 -0500 Reply-To: Curtis Cameron Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Curtis Cameron Organization: None Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618032031.0408cec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:22:07 -0700 Avi Meshar wrote: >Hi Curtis, >At 6/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm running XP on my home machine, and the first thing I did was to >>turn off that jellybean-looking interface, so in case you don't like >>that, don't let it deter you. > >Are yu running the home edition or XP Professional? I installed it for >someone and there was no turning of any interface in the home edition, and >in 30 days the machine was not useful. But in the professional edition we >could turn it off. I'm running the XP home edition that came pre-installed on my HP Pavilion. To turn off the jellybean-looking interface and get back to what looks like Win95, 98, NT4, ME, and 2000, go to Start, Settings, Control Panel, System, Advanced, Performance Settings, and un-check the box that says "Use visual styles on windows and buttons." No wait, there's an easier way. Right-click the desktop, choose Properties, go to the Appearance tab, and change the setting of Windows and Buttons from "Windows XP Style" to "Windows Classic Style". At least that's how it is on my computer. -- Curtis Cameron ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:38:02 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Fluff: Re: SV: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel, On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:57 +0200, Axel Berger = wrote: > The thing I love about this particular discussion is, that so far every > conceivable installation has been shown to work fine except of course > who else but Microsoft Outlook. Isn't it nice to keep having your > prejudices (yes, I admit to them) confirmed by observed fact? You are totally wrong! Outlook is the program which works correctly. All other programs and mail servers which have trouble with Outlook's way of coding are obviously faulty. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:01:08 +0200 Reply-To: TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: TESTORI Subject: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, At the beginning goinpost worked well (very well), then I've fully reseted (for test) my HP200LX and reinstalled programms (no back-up). Now I get following message error from Goinpost (gp.bat) : "ppplink is down, driver not installed" With other PCs is this connection OK. What I have wrong, soft or hardware ? What I have to do ? Thanks, Pierre TESTORI ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:02:26 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <20020619011337.3AE7ED3069@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! Just to to the international situation of of Umlauts and to explain why = I jumped in to this discussion from my locaI Umlaut-infested = perspective. I had heard that there was a move to allow special = characters in www-adresses (and mail adresses?) where longstanding = company and town names can be called what they supposed to be, say a = town called S=F6derk=F6ping instead of Soederkoeping. If this is to = succeed I felt that some changes were surely planned to handle the = Umlauts in international traffic. To enter the most common specials chartacters in Word, I do not use, the = Special character facility but for those not already on the keybord, I = use the codes, eg alt-145 to create the =E6, BTW, I have now until further removed this letter from my last name in = the mail account used for the List. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Tony Hutchins Skickat: den 19 juni 2002 04:16 Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU =C4mne: Re: Special characters again Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:05:37 +1200 (NZT) 01h38m17s ago ... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:20 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > The headers need to re-establish their encoding credentials in > their *own* body > ... > Subject: =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3DF3nimo?=3D Avi, I suddenly realised you wouldn't actually *see* the above type of thing in headers in Eudora as it stores the decoded chars, whereas POST/LX keeps the raw message and does decoding on the fly when necessary. One "Content" header that can never pertain to headers is: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - because all header chars are transmitted as 7bit. So that is a clear indication that "Content" does not refer to the headers of a message. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:25:25 +0200 Reply-To: Donald Klopper Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Donald Klopper Organization: PANstrat Subject: Re: HP LJ 4050TN IR Comments: To: jacob.waern@swipnet.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know it's little mails like these that make this list worthwhile. Thank you mr Hans Jacob, you saved me a lot of trouble on setting fonts and stuff on the HP laser printer (I have the 5P with IR). I could not print, due to a number of problems, and I too played with the IRDA97 drivers a while back. I used the init string as you had it, and it works perfectly for me. I will play around with the settings a bit, though, since quite often I do not want variable pitch fonts. I do have a small problem, though. The Memo application insists on setting a margin of 257 lines, which has the effect the an infinite amount of pages are printed (well, almost: one line of print every 6 pages or so). I can set the margin before printing, but each time if I forget setting it, the st*%&pid thing, I mean the little lifesaver, defaults back to the ridiculous margin setting. Any ideas? PS: My 700LX printed to the HP laser "out of the box", which is interesting. --------------------------- Donald Klopper - donaldk@mweb.co.za donald.klopper@bigfoot.com +27 (0) 82 468-7480 This tagline is umop apisdn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Jacob Wfrn" To: Sent: 13 June 2002 15:33 Subject: SV: HP LJ 4050TN IR Hello! I have not set up my HP200:s for printing to a HP LJ 4050NT via IRDA but only to HP 6P.s, but the basics should be the same(?). First install IRDA97 from SUPER. After that you have to prepare an initialisation string as per your preference of fonttype, size and other properties and put into the printer setup for each applicaton. Information re that should be in your HP manual as it was in in mine. My own string goes like this: \027(8U\027(s1p10vs0b16602T and then prints using Roman-8 table and normal Arial 10. \027 is of course "Esc" and the codes for the PCL-fonts available are in the HP Printermanager. This works in all the built in applicatons but 1-2-3 and DOS. In 1-2-3 it justs repeats the print area 11-12 times and in DOS if just freezes. Both are as I understand known problems and I would be happy to hear any solutions. Hans Jacob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:30:54 +0800 Reply-To: Wee-Meng Lee Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Wee-Meng Lee Subject: Connecting HP Jornada keyboard to 200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I saw some information and TSR programs for connecting the Apple keybaord to the 200LX on SUPER. I recently bought the external Jornada keyboard for the 720LX and was wondering if there were some information to connect it to the 200LX. I'm hoping to make a connector using a dead 680LX and a spare 200LX serial cable (with a round plug at the other side) so that I don't have to cut up the cable on the keyboard. Thx weemeng ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:16:43 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Just found this site: > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cave/4031/games.html > its cool, only zip files, short loading time > It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and popular Cool site. I'd like to try Astroids game, but the game starts after pressing NumLock. Where can I find NumLock on HPLX? :))) -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:23:41 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: HP LJ 4050TN IR In-Reply-To: <000801c21764$c39dc3a0$3926840a@panstrat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Donald! fine to hear that the IrDa-link works. Now, as to the curious memo = output, I have in the menu/format/margins put in left=3D9 and right = =3D72 which then looks OK giving a good pagefit. What have you there? In = the print setup (file/print/setup) I have page length 60, top margin 3 = and bottom margin 5. With these setting Memo prints very well for me. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Donald Klopper [mailto:donaldk@mweb.co.za] Skickat: den 17 juni 2002 18:25 Till: jacob.waern@swipnet.se; HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu =C4mne: Re: HP LJ 4050TN IR You know it's little mails like these that make this list worthwhile. Thank you mr Hans Jacob, you saved me a lot of trouble on setting fonts = and stuff on the HP laser printer (I have the 5P with IR). I could not = print, due to a number of problems, and I too played with the IRDA97 drivers a while = back. I used the init string as you had it, and it works perfectly for me. I = will play around with the settings a bit, though, since quite often I do not want variable pitch fonts. I do have a small problem, though. The Memo application insists on setting a margin of 257 lines, which has the effect the an infinite = amount of pages are printed (well, almost: one line of print every 6 pages or = so). I can set the margin before printing, but each time if I forget setting = it, the st*%&pid thing, I mean the little lifesaver, defaults back to the = ridiculous margin setting. Any ideas? PS: My 700LX printed to the HP laser "out of the box", which is = interesting. --------------------------- Donald Klopper - donaldk@mweb.co.za donald.klopper@bigfoot.com +27 (0) 82 468-7480 This tagline is umop apisdn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Jacob Wfrn" To: Sent: 13 June 2002 15:33 Subject: SV: HP LJ 4050TN IR Hello! I have not set up my HP200:s for printing to a HP LJ 4050NT via IRDA but only to HP 6P.s, but the basics should be the same(?). First install IRDA97 from SUPER. After that you have to prepare an initialisation = string as per your preference of fonttype, size and other properties and put = into the printer setup for each applicaton. Information re that should be in = your HP manual as it was in in mine. My own string goes like this: \027(8U\027(s1p10vs0b16602T and then prints using Roman-8 table and = normal Arial 10. \027 is of course "Esc" and the codes for the PCL-fonts = available are in the HP Printermanager. This works in all the built in applicatons = but 1-2-3 and DOS. In 1-2-3 it justs repeats the print area 11-12 times and = in DOS if just freezes. Both are as I understand known problems and I would = be happy to hear any solutions. Hans Jacob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:05:56 +0200 Reply-To: "g. van wirdum" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "g. van wirdum" Subject: Typing special characters (Was: Special characters again) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On typing special characters (for those missing the manuals): 1) On most computers: Activate numeric keyboard, hold Alt, on numeric keyboard type Ascii number (decimal)according to active code page, then release Alt. 2) On HPLX: Hold Alt and Menu, type Ascii number (decimal) according to active code page, release Alt and Menu. (take beeps for granted) 3) Depending on keyboard, type special keys or key combinations. On the Palmtop, Fn combined with s, x, m, - produce the beta/sharp S, degree, mu, and plusminus symbols, respectively. There are quite some more such combinations, most of which labelled on palmtops with european keyboards. Some can be shifted as well. 4) Several accentuated characters are produced by first typing Fn plus r, t, y, u, i, then the main character, for this character with acute, grave, circumflex, Umlaut, tilde, respectively. Stefan Peichl's LXPro provides an excellent pop-up ASCII reference sheet! Geert. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:17:35 +0100 Reply-To: "Brown, William D" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Brown, William D" Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Try and see what messages you get *before* that one - perhaps use the debug version of EPPPD ? It sounds as if the driver did not load, or did not load at the expected vector. Did you exit sysmgr and run GP from DOS, or did you run GP from MAXDOS ? I have had times when there was not free memory to load GP or the driver. The line in gp.bat that says: EPPPD pktvec 0x62 -as a0000 file GPIPF.CFG is what is producing this message. There is a GPDEBUG.BAT that may help you. I would guess that you have a setting wrong in GP, that is written to GPIPF.CFG, and then upsetting EPPPD. William D.Ll.Brown ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:24:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi John, You only need to register Windows XP on the first install. Once you do this a small file is created which contains the data required for Windows Xp to work. If you save this file on a disk you can re-install Windows and copying this file will register the program without having to call Microsoft. No need to buy an illegal copy!!! Cheers, Inigo PS: If you are interested I will try to find the mgazine where I read this trick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:51:44 +0800 Reply-To: JIMMY TAN Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: JIMMY TAN Subject: Backlighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Without a viable backlighting solution, the alternative would have to be portable external lighting. Has anybody ever tried this product? http://www.shoplite.com/asp_sapphire.htm Regards. Jimmy. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:13:00 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony and Stefan On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:56:49 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Yup, but you know me, I tried under Sysman anyway. One > thing I noticed - if I open MEMO, CTRL+TAB ESC (invoke Lxpro and > exit) then a hotkey after MENU seems to be disabled. Eg MENU > then "Q" beeps. But Alt+Q works and after that the hotkeys > after MENU are fine again. Very minor observation - could be > peculiar to my setup. I also noticed that behaviour, actually even some years ago. I always thought it had something to do with SC or so, but I just tried and indeed: It is repeatable after invoking LXPro! Menu-E ("Ende" on my German palmtop) in the SysMgr in any progrma gives a beep, as does every other menu hotkey. Alt-Hotkey works, Menu and moving around with the cursor keys, too. > Same here, now. Although I have plenty of free EMS pages - > it's great how it uses EMS. I find the front screen of Lxpro > really useful - and I really like the calculator! Yes, this is nice. :-) I never noticed there was a calculator in LXPro. I often need fast conversion between Hex and Dec numbers, I always used the "Hexcalc" which is in ROM, but does not have an icon in AppMgr by default, but the LXPr calculator is even faster, available everywhere and more comfortable. I also like the ASCII table, I use it often when programming to find out codes for control characters. Thanks, Stefan! Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:13:01 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:35:33 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > Ahrem... There is a duality here: The headers are INSIDE what is known = as > "message body". The process of sending email gets the address to send = to > and the address where the email is sent from in a SEPARATE step, before = the > "body" is uploaded. To make things look reasonable, the headers are = placed > inside the "message body" and sent along with the actual message. You = might > note that the content type thingie appears BEFORE anything else on the > message, above the headers even, because it DOES pertain to them too! I had a look into my .i files and must disagree here. Content-Type almost always appears as one of te last header lines, like this: X-UIDL: 190966e47aeffd5073dc0dda848233f2 Return-Path: X-Flags: 0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to x.y@gmx.de Received: (qmail 32031 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2001 19:37:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:37:19 +0100 (MET) From: Rebecca Kwee To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20011113164215.4895gmx1@mp006-rz3.gmx.net> Subject: subject line X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000939058@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [193.150.166.43] Message-ID: <26765.1005766639@www59.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Notify-Sent-To: x@eplus-online.de (email addresses modified). GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:13:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: SUPER helpers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends thank you so much for all who wanted to volunteer to help merginr SUPER95 and SUPER. I will work out a solution together with Luast, because he already has converted SUPER95 into a GDB, although not entirely compatible to the current SUPER.GDB. We will merge the two SUPER sections soon. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:08:41 +0200 Reply-To: xmarc@free.fr Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Marc BERLIOUX Subject: Re: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > LXTOOLS for 95LX added Thanks. But my e-mail address is wrong in the description. replace "mailto:marc@free.fr" by "mailto:xmarc@free.fr" bye A12C4 --=20 Marc BERLIOUX "Quand on a raison 24 heures avant le commun des mortels, on passe pour n'avoir pas le sens commun pendant 24 heures" ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:30:33 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > its cool, only zip files, short loading time > > It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and popular And, by the way, 80% of the games there are unplayable because of high speed. I am using CLKUP32.SYS on my DS machine, and it seems WITHOUT this driver game works at good speed. How do games set their speed via machine speed? Is there a bug in CLKUP32.SYS which prevents the game to set good speed? Thanks -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:35:20 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: PNS200 enhancement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends (BCC to Andreas Garzotto) I added a file existence check to PNS200. If anyone wants the modified version, drop me a line. Background: Usually, if you use PNS200 only as a filer enhancement or so, you will never give a non-existent filename to PNS as the argument. But now I use PNS a lot in conjunction with MM/LX, and since I enter the file links manually, there cen be errors in the path or file name. The original PNS reacted this way: It evaluated the file name extension, choose the corresponding action, eventually showed the application menu, and started an application. If the file name was invalid, the application would complain. To save time, I let PNS200 now check the existence of the file, so if the path or file name doesn't point to an existent file, PNS will report that and exit directly. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:44:05 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Backlighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jimmy On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:51:44 +0800, JIMMY TAN = wrote: > Without a viable backlighting solution, the alternative would have to = be > portable external lighting. Has anybody ever tried this product? > > http://www.shoplite.com/asp_sapphire.htm hmm - quite expensive, and you have to hold it in hand (or in the mouth ;-) ) all the time to press the button. And we don't know anything about how it distributes the light (I mean the angle it sends light out with). Do you know http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/ledlight ? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:44:06 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: SUPER update and: looking for a helper! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:08:41 +0200, Marc BERLIOUX wrote: > But my e-mail address is wrong in the description. oops, sorry. Will fix it with the next update. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:06:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: cool game site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dzon On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:30:33 +0200, Dzon wrote: > And, by the way, 80% of the games there are unplayable because of high > speed. I am using CLKUP32.SYS on my DS machine, and it seems WITHOUT = this > driver game works at good speed. > How do games set their speed via machine speed? Is there a bug in > CLKUP32.SYS which prevents the game to set good speed? I don't have any clue about CLKUP32.SYS, but if you use the Times2Tech driver - don't know how reliable this works with your 32MHz quartz - there's a hotkey which lets you disable the driver entirely and another hotkey which lets you adjust the speed the machine runs with. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:21:53 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: ; from dzon@SOFTHOME.NET on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:30:33PM +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:30:33PM +0200, Dzon wrote: > And, by the way, 80% of the games there are unplayable because of high > speed. I am using CLKUP32.SYS on my DS machine, and it seems WITHOUT this > driver game works at good speed. What's CLKUP32.SYS, a double-speed driver like SPD31.EXE? > How do games set their speed via machine speed? IIRC, most old DOS games (CGA or otherwise) don't -- they simply count clock cycles in quick-n-dirty timing loops (if at all). So if you're in double-speed mode, your games will probably run almost twice as fast as normal. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:42:07 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: PossibleVirus) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:03:31 -0400, Rick Rae wrote: > Since this is a tiny regional ISP, I doubt the "random names" technique > applies here. Stuff like this realllllly makes you wonder what's going on > behind the scenes. I agree. Earthlink is a known name, but I would be surprised if the spammers would target every ISP in the country (world?) And then try all possible names with each of the thousands (millions?) of ISPs. Makes me think that these guys are selling their username lists. But then again, with high speed computers and high speed connections to the Internet, I guess anything is possible today. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:15:58 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:06:55 +1200 (NZT) 02h36m22s ago ... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:30:33 +0200, Dzon wrote: > > > its cool, only zip files, short loading time > > > It contains ONLY CGA games that work on the palmtop. Very cool and = popular > > And, by the way, 80% of the games there are unplayable because of high > speed. My problem with them is quitting - the ones I tried (sopwith2 and alleycat) need CTRL+ALT+DEL. But with the Times2 spd driver I can use shift+CTRL +DEL/UP/DOWN to toggle/modify speed. Also I remember "digger" from years ago. I never ever got that to run on any machine. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:14:50 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: <20020619192153.A12673@svr1.03s.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > speed. I am using CLKUP32.SYS on my DS machine, and it seems WITHOUT this > > driver game works at good speed. > What's CLKUP32.SYS, a double-speed driver like SPD31.EXE? Yes > > How do games set their speed via machine speed? > IIRC, most old DOS games (CGA or otherwise) don't -- they > simply count clock cycles in quick-n-dirty timing loops (if > at all). So if you're in double-speed mode, your games will > probably run almost twice as fast as normal. What? What do you mean with 'normal'? Do you mean that on 386DX will the game run 10x, 20x, 30x faster?? I think there is something with DS driver, I should try another one. -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:51:02 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: Fluff: Re: SV: Special characters again Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>You are totally wrong! >>Outlook is the program which works correctly. All other programs and >>mail servers which have trouble with Outlook's way of coding are >>obviously faulty. I will be sure to send a copy of this message to mr gates be looking for a job offer soon ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:18 -0400 Reply-To: Edward Woodward Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Edward Woodward Subject: Re: Backlighting Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Without a viable backlighting solution, the alternative would have > to be > > portable external lighting. Has anybody ever tried this product? > > > hmm - quite expensive, and you have to hold it in hand (or in the > mouth > ;-) ) all the time to press the button. And we don't know anything > about how it distributes the light (I mean the angle it sends light > out > with). > I have several of these style led lamps. On my keychain and tool box. Under dark stage conditions they give off exceptional wide angle light. From a keychain aspect, they are quite bright and useful. The closerr they get the more focused the beam. (Duh!) All the lights I have have a switch to leave light on for "hands free" operation. I have thought of using for 200, but have not had time to experiment. ed woodward ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:38:22 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 In-Reply-To: <20020618215235.38365D1915@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must be doing something wrong..... I'm using Software Carousel, starting LXPro in a relatively uncluttered session; then starting LXPro. It works fine, BUT there's no "code page toggle" that I can see. I've started the ASCII map (F3) and then hit "DEL" and nothing happens. I managed to type some special chars. in the doc below it (in PE) to see if they'd change, etc., but nothing. How does one tell which codepage he is using? TIA, --tim PS. I went to a non-Sysmanager SC session and ensured I exited to DOS before attempting this "switch." Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:48:06 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim wrote: > That is how I've seen people type umlauts, letters including an > accent or line through it, and other ASCII characters, including > the "building blocks" for lines and boxes. Is this still possible; > if so, what're the "Secret Keystrokes." It is, I still use it frequently. Funny enaugh, even in W98 with its totally different character set, the numbers to type are still those from the 850 character table (though unfortunately not the better known 437). The ones I use mostly are 156 =A3,pound, 225 =DF,beta or German sha= rp s, 158 =D7,same in Atari charset, to convert Atari to DOS text or vice versa, 248 =B0,degree, 253 =B2,square, 252 =B3,cube. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:53:33 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: cool game site In-Reply-To: ; from dzon@SOFTHOME.NET on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 02:14:50PM +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 02:14:50PM +0200, Dzon wrote: > > IIRC, most old DOS games (CGA or otherwise) don't -- they > > simply count clock cycles in quick-n-dirty timing loops (if > > at all). So if you're in double-speed mode, your games will > > probably run almost twice as fast as normal. > > What? What do you mean with 'normal'? Ye Olde 4.77MHz IBM PC. > Do you mean that on 386DX will the game run 10x, 20x, 30x faster?? Possibly, yes. Try one out for yourself -- I vaguely remember playing a racing-type game on a 386 box about 10 years ago. It was originally designed for the XT, so I'd crash in less than a second. 8-) > I think there is something with DS driver, I should try another one. Just Goggle'd for CLKUP32.SYS, and at least one of the results mentions a companion program called DOTCLK.COM that seems to set the clock divider or something. If you're not using that, mebbe your problem's there. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:56:22 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis Cameron wrote: > go to Start, Settings, > Control Panel, System, Advanced, Performance Settings, and That's why I went back to bad old 98, that is quite complicated and unintelligible enaugh for me, thank you very much. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:08:22 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Backlighting > Without a viable backlighting solution, the alternative would have to be > portable external lighting. Has anybody ever tried this product? >http://www.shoplite.com/asp_sapphire.htm I have several of these. Problems are a lack of a switch to keep the light turned on (ie, requires constant pressure) and the fact that you have to mail the darned thing in to get a battery replacement (as if it were beyond us to be able to change a battery). The "lifetime battery replacement" benefit is offset by the cost, delay and general nuisance of shipping. A better alternative is the Photon 2: http://www.glow-bug.com/product.php?sku=2 or Photon 3: http://www.glow-bug.com/product.php?sku=43 The latter has a microprocessor control that continuously pulses the LED to extend the battery life (but at a rate that makes it seem non-pulsing to the human eye). I use them on occasion to do some light (pun intended) LX work. My wife uses a small Petzl Zipka LED headlight I got from a camping shop so she could read at night. The whole thing is compact (not much bigger than two fingers) because the headstrap is a small retractable wire, and it runs on easily obtainable AAA batteries: http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/12148/30 I think this would draw some stares if you were doing LX work in a crowd, but you can wear the light strapped to your palm for a less geeky appearance. - Longden ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:54:53 -0700 Reply-To: Willnotreply GMX Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Willnotreply GMX Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: PossibleVirus) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just looked at one of my email account which I haven't accessed in about a year. It's address is pc@xxx.com. I see at least 100 emails sent to various combination of pc@yyy.com, etc. Now pc is certainly not a command given name. I guess what they are doing is simply take a random user names and suffix with a valid domain and spam. Interesting thing is most emails are unique; at most duplicated; never more than three times. Best Regards, Alfred Lee -----Original Message----- From: Victor Roberts To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:42 AM Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: PossibleVirus) >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:03:31 -0400, Rick Rae wrote: > >> Since this is a tiny regional ISP, I doubt the "random names" technique >> applies here. Stuff like this realllllly makes you wonder what's going on >> behind the scenes. > >I agree. Earthlink is a known name, but I would be surprised if >the spammers would target every ISP in the country (world?) And >then try all possible names with each of the thousands >(millions?) of ISPs. Makes me think that these guys are selling >their username lists. But then again, with high speed >computers and high speed connections to the Internet, I guess >anything is possible today. > >Vic Roberts > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:49:44 +0200 Reply-To: christian2911@GMX.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Christian Herzog Subject: Flashcards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, which pcmcia flashram cards can i use in the 200lx? all ATA-cards? are there differences in the amount of power they drain from the palmtop, so are there cards that one shouldn4t use? And what about compactflash + adaptor? Anyting special to consider here? thanks Christian Herzog -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:15:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP In-Reply-To: <20020619092427.69593.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the great ideas and information list members. Since it seems there's no need to use a bootlegged copy of XP I am no longer considering it. But since it is nessasary to jump through extra hoops and the upgrade doesn't sound like it is much of one I have decided to stick with 2000. It is interesting I felt no guilt considering a bootlegged copy of XP. Any other software I would have which would prevent me from doing it. MS themselves do so much illegal practices that it wouldn't bother me to rip them off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I can see why they are so concerned about software piracy. Their own practices encourage it. John On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:24:27 -0700, you wrote: >Hi John, > >You only need to register Windows XP on the first >install. Once you do this a small file is created >which contains the data required for Windows Xp to >work. If you save this file on a disk you can >re-install Windows and copying this file will register >the program without having to call Microsoft. No need >to buy an illegal copy!!! > >Cheers, > >Inigo > >PS: If you are interested I will try to find the >mgazine where I read this trick > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:09:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Flashcards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Most people feel that SanDisk (used to be SunDisk) cards are the most trouble-free. Not all fullsize SanDisk PCMCIA cards will work, though. The series that will work are SDP5, SDPL5, and SDP5A. The packs of 5 10MB cards that cpu-neoh usually has on eBay will NOT work, I think. (They are SD series cards). -----Original Message----- From: Christian Herzog [mailto:christian2911@GMX.DE] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:50 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Flashcards Hi, which pcmcia flashram cards can i use in the 200lx? all ATA-cards? are there differences in the amount of power they drain from the palmtop, so are there cards that one shouldn4t use? And what about compactflash + adaptor? Anyting special to consider here? thanks Christian Herzog -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:38:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Star Office MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi List and Star Office users Now this post is LX related. I used Word for Dos on my palmtop and MS Office on my Libretto for ease of document transfer. That way I can work on a document on whatever I am using at the time as long as I watch the fonts and format for the LX. However I am trying to move away from MS products except for Word for Dos. Plus I would like to use and learn an Office program which I can use on Linux since sometime in the furture I will move to it instead of Windows. I was looking at Star Office to use on my Libretto. How compariable is that to MS Office and can I transfer documents eaisly between Word for Dos and the word processor in Star Office? Also has anyone considered making a word processor for the LX which uses the open document format the Star Office uses? XML I think it is. How about Lotus files? I use 2.4 on the LX- will it transfer ok to the spreadsheet in Star Office? Has anyone written a converter for the LX data base and the database in Star Office? Or will csv work? TIA John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> There is no requirement to "register" the software. >> > Call it what you like. I call it registration. I've always > refused to use software that has this sort of copy protection, > on principle. The software is only good as long as Microsoft > supports it. > Actually, he's right, in a sense, when he says it's an "activation" and not a "registration". WinXP is Microsoft's first step towards a subscription-type marketing model, wherein you don't *buy* the software and you can't *own* it, but instead you subscribe to it as if it were a service. Microsoft will maintain the software remotely, via your modem. And if for some reason you don't pay, Microsoft will disable the software, also via your modem. Think of cable TV, or your cell phone. See, when you're the only game in town, you can make up your own rules. > I would know though if my modem was dialed > without my knowledge and if software was downloaded and installed. It may have already happened, while you were online conducting other business. It's called "Windows Update". > etc.), but does not know who you are, where you live, or other personal > data. For this to work the way Microsoft wants, they don't *need* to know your personal data (other than maybe your credit card number). All they need to know is how to reach your hard drive. Or, if enough users block their access, all they need to do is build a routine into their next OS that causes it to self-destruct if it doesn't hear from Microsoft within a set time. Of course, long-time MS users know that Microsoft has already perfected the self-destructing OS. :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:19:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Flashcards Comments: To: christian2911@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: <8372.1024498184@www45.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most flashcards will work. When you get over 220 meg in size though some require the acecard driver availible on Super. I am presently using a 440 meg SiliconTech I got off ebay for 100 bucks. Works great but it needs the acecard driver. I also have a 150 meg Sandisk which does not require any drivers as a backup in case I need to reinstall my drivers. John On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:49:44 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >which pcmcia flashram cards can i use in the 200lx? all ATA-cards? are = there >differences in the amount of power they drain from the palmtop, so are = there >cards that one shouldn4t use? And what about compactflash + adaptor? = Anyting >special to consider here? > >thanks >Christian Herzog ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:56:05 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Fluff: Re: SV: Special characters again Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree with you TOTALLY. I have no idea how Axel could propose that Outlook is incorrect. This really is amazing! It must be the water he drinks... :-)) At 6/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Axel, > >On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:57 +0200, Axel Berger wrote: > > > The thing I love about this particular discussion is, that so far every > > conceivable installation has been shown to work fine except of course > > who else but Microsoft Outlook. Isn't it nice to keep having your > > prejudices (yes, I admit to them) confirmed by observed fact? > >You are totally wrong! >Outlook is the program which works correctly. All other programs and ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:34:52 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again Comments: To: jacob.waern@TELIA.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/19/02 +0200, Hans Jacob Waern wrote: >Hi all! > >Just to to the international situation of of Umlauts and to explain why I= =20 >jumped in to this discussion from my locaI Umlaut-infested perspective. I= =20 >had heard that there was a move to allow special characters in www-adresses This refers to non-ASCII characters in TLDs (top level domain names). The=20 IETF, (Internet Engineering Task Force) is still considering this proposal= =20 and it has not gone through for inclusion in DNS specs. I assume that=20 lower-level names, i.e. further away or to the beginning of a domain name,= =20 could, or is being used. At least theoretically it cannot now because of=20 the specifications under which domain name servers work. In addition, ICANN, which administers to the process of TLD creation, has=20 not finalized its position on this. This will be discussed in ICANN's=20 meeting in Bucharest at the end of this month. I doubt there will be a=20 final status then. >(and mail adresses?) where longstanding company and town names can be=20 >called what they supposed to be, say a town called S=F6derk=F6ping instead= of=20 >Soederkoeping. If this is to succeed I felt that some changes were surely= =20 >planned to handle the Umlauts in international traffic. Actually no major changes are needed except in a few areas, one of them=20 being domain name service. I personally think that this is a mistake. One of the main reasons to=20 webify is to open up your vistas, to increase the visibility worldwide. The= =20 assumption that I am willing to learn how to type umlauted os on my=20 keyboard to visit some website is ludicrous - I won't do it. If the point=20 is to just cater to local people then this does not affect me much, and I''= =20 not likely see it anyway - unless there is some compelling reason. IOW, I am saying that like it or not, the ASCII world is the most prevalent= =20 on the web now and will continue to be so because it makes least troubles=20 to those you try to reach. For example: If I had to type in Chinese/kanji=20 characters some domain name, there is no way I'll do it. But if I had to=20 type "Matsushita.com" I could and would. So as much as I support nationalization it seems to me that making domain=20 names non-ascii is really not a good strategic move to increase visibility,= =20 except in the case of remaining inside the same language. I can clearly see= =20 that some chinese company catering to chinese speakers (and writers) can=20 easily get by with a domain name in chinese - the market is large enough as= =20 it is even without going international. But "tour.s=F6derk=F6ping.se" is not going to be a place I'll visit to find= out=20 about this lovely town and its charms to tourists. Find out about opening=20 hours and address of the local real estate registration, yes! Bus lines=20 hours, yes. Anyway I hope I made my point. >BTW, I have now until further removed this letter from my last name in the= =20 >mail account used for the List. Had enough of being renamed to Wfrn by Microsoft Outlook? Rest=20 assured, you'll always be W=E6rn to us, no matter _what_ Microsoft thinks! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:43:11 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: >I had a look into my .i files and must disagree here. >Content-Type almost always appears as one of te last header lines, like >this: Ok, let's take this apart: >X-UIDL: 190966e47aeffd5073dc0dda848233f2 >Return-Path: >X-Flags: 0000 >Delivered-To: GMX delivery to x.y@gmx.de >Received: (qmail 32031 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2001 19:37:19 -0000 >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:37:19 +0100 (MET) >From: Rebecca Kwee >To: Daniel Hertrich >MIME-Version: 1.0 >References: <20011113164215.4895gmx1@mp006-rz3.gmx.net> >Subject: subject line >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000939058@gmx.net >X-Authenticated-IP: [193.150.166.43] >Message-ID: <26765.1005766639@www59.gmx.net> >X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) Everything above this point was added to the message either by your email server or by the sending server (sometimes even intermediate servers are present.) Aha!!! the next line was the first in the outgoing message!!! See that? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-Notify-Sent-To: x@eplus-online.de > >(email addresses modified). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:53:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: SUPER helpers Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed HURRAH!!! Or a better-nationalized version for Daniel: HURRA!!! And one for Laust (I believe dansk, no?): HURRA!!! So there. You guys are doing nice things for all of us. Thank you... At 6/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi friends > >thank you so much for all who wanted to volunteer to help merginr >SUPER95 and SUPER. >I will work out a solution together with Luast, because he already has >converted SUPER95 into a GDB, although not entirely compatible to the >current SUPER.GDB. We will merge the two SUPER sections soon. > >Thanks >daniel > >-- >http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Special characters again In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619123939.043a9d90@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Ok, let's take this apart: [...snip...] > >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:37:19 +0100 (MET) > >From: Rebecca Kwee > >To: Daniel Hertrich > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >References: <20011113164215.4895gmx1@mp006-rz3.gmx.net> > >Subject: subject line > >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > >X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000939058@gmx.net > >X-Authenticated-IP: [193.150.166.43] > >Message-ID: <26765.1005766639@www59.gmx.net> > >X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) > > Everything above this point was added to the message either by your email > server or by the sending server (sometimes even intermediate servers are > present.) I don't think this is correct. The From, To, References, and Subject headers were very likely added by the MUA, not the server. I would guess that the X-Mailer and MIME-Version headers probably were too. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:36:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Connecting HP Jornada keyboard to 200LX Comments: To: Wee-Meng Lee In-Reply-To: <200206200030.IAA09240@anakin.sgp.hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do believe Thaddeus sold the keyboard and a driver for it. There might be something on their site or on the super site.=20 John=20 On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:30:54 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >I saw some information and TSR programs for connecting the >Apple keybaord to the 200LX on SUPER. I recently bought the >external Jornada keyboard for the 720LX and was wondering if >there were some information to connect it to the 200LX. > >I'm hoping to make a connector using a dead 680LX and a spare >200LX serial cable (with a round plug at the other side) so that >I don't have to cut up the cable on the keyboard. > >Thx >weemeng > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:16:53 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Flashcards Comments: To: christian2911@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: <8372.1024498184@www45.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >which pcmcia flashram cards can i use in the 200lx? Most > all ATA-cards? Yes > are there >differences in the amount of power they drain from the palmtop, Yes, higher voltage cards generally draw more > so are there >cards that one shouldn4t use? No >And what about compactflash + adaptor? all are fine > Anyting >special to consider here? Not that I can think of. Hope this helps. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:27:49 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Star Office Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: <4181hukanq0vg4sha8b2cejgu4tap8pllv@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >looking at Star Office to use on my Libretto. How compariable is that >to MS Office and can I transfer documents eaisly between Word for Dos >and the word processor in Star Office? Also has anyone considered easy transfer - just open it. It goes both directions just fine. >making a word processor for the LX which uses the open document format >the Star Office uses? Star office uses .DOC format. >How about Lotus files? I have not tried. >I use 2.4 on the LX- will it transfer ok to the spreadsheet in Star Office? Don't know. >Has anyone written a converter for the LX data base and the database >in Star Office? Or will csv work? TIA Create a CLIP which takes in all the fields and puts around each field double quotes and a comma between the fields. "","","" etc. The only thing to add is the first line which names the various fields... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:50:22 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Avi Meshar wrote: > The assumption that I am willing to learn how to type=20 > umlauted os on my keyboard to visit some website is=20 > ludicrous - I won't do it. If the point is to just cater > to local people then this does not affect me much, and I'' > not likely see it anyway - unless there is some > compelling reason. Although I agree in principle, when have you last typed in a URL? For me it is bookmarks, links or copy and paste from email. If I do type it is always into google, as then it doesn't matter if I have the name, especially the dots and hyphens and stuff, exactly right and I need not bother about .de .com or .co.uk. OTOH let's assume the town of Munich (BTW: Why is it politically correct for you to use Cologne and Munich but according to our thought police neo-fascist for me to call Polish, Romanian etc. cities by their centuries old German names?) were to offer services on their site. For efficiency they would like as many people as possible to use them, and for all the not quite so computer literate it might be easier to remember m=FCnchen.de than muenchen.de. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:57:35 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: Jim Gasbarro? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I have collected a lot of interesting and useful stuff on my 64MB HP:s, = one of them is Jim Gasbarro=B4s Wtravel. Registering allows the use of = custom maps and to do that you need to send a postcard to Jim care of = Rambus and also advise by mail at gasbarro@rambus.com. I have tried to = do this several time and with no reaction and Jim might have moved on. = Anybody knows how to contact him? Hans Jacob W=E6rn PS!=20 Out of genuine interest but, not trying to prolong the special character = dicussion: How are all these Spanish special characters handled in NA = both within the huge Spanish speaking minority or in communicating = personal or place names to the total community. I mean such characters = as =D1, =F1, =C7, =F1,, =EB =E8 or =BF. Are those handled without = problem by the servers or is it understood and accepted that they should = be cleaned from the headers the way it has been discussed here? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Grevgatan 15 S-114 53 Stockholm Tel +46- (0)8 - 661 3122 Fax+46- (0)8 - 661 3128 Email: jacob.waern@telia.com =20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:38 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bruce: At 6/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >Actually, he's right, in a sense, when he says it's an "activation" and not >a "registration". WinXP is Microsoft's first step towards a >subscription-type marketing model, wherein you don't *buy* the software and >you can't *own* it, but instead you subscribe to it as if it were a >service. Microsoft will maintain the software remotely, via your modem. And >if for some reason you don't pay, Microsoft will disable the software, also >via your modem. Think of cable TV, or your cell phone. Actually the correct term is owning a license not owning the software. Whoever wrote the program owns the program, and distributes (sells) licenses to use it. This is what we do with our product. Andreas owns the actual program. D&A agreed with him to distribute licenses to use the programs. There is an inherent weakness in this structure because of the implication of "ownership" by te end user: "Hey, I bought the program at CompUSA! I own it!", when the answer is "No, Bubba, you only bought a CD/diskette and a manual inside a box with a license to use the program!" This is hard to explain. But people know better the model of renting something. One rents a car - it is not yours, you just get to use it. Apartment - it is not yours, you just get to use it. There is also an attraction in that in many cases the rental is paid periodically, once a week, once a month. And MS likes that cashflow. >It may have already happened, while you were online conducting other >business. It's called "Windows Update". IF MS is shown to do it, they would be in a heap of legal troubles. At least in the USA, no one is in the mood for such snooping. > > etc.), but does not know who you are, where you live, or other personal > > data. > >For this to work the way Microsoft wants, they don't *need* to know your >personal data (other than maybe your credit card number). All they need to >know is how to reach your hard drive. Or, if enough users block their >access, all they need to do is build a routine into their next OS that >causes it to self-destruct if it doesn't hear from Microsoft within a set >time. That would be another hornet's nest for MS. The most they can do is cause the system to not work, but DEFINITELY not do anything destructive. Even in the case of causing it not to work they would be in potential troubles if their o/s was used for example in a hospital environment, and - God forbid - in a situation where life depended on the functioning of the system. The lawsuit after the death of a patient would target the hospital undoubtedly, but name MS as well, and it would succeed in getting into its deep pockets! That'll be the last time they'd use the scheme. >Of course, long-time MS users know that Microsoft has already perfected the >self-destructing OS. :-) Now there's an observation with truth in it!!! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:52:22 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Special characters again Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe you are right. For the purpose of this discussion it does not matter much, since the first line in the message itself is the one about the charset being used. Thanks for the comment, though. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:21:24 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D10D26E.23F7F769@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >Avi Meshar wrote: > > The assumption that I am willing to learn how to type > > umlauted os on my keyboard to visit some website is > > ludicrous - I won't do it. If the point is to just cater > > to local people then this does not affect me much, and I'' > > not likely see it anyway - unless there is some > > compelling reason. > >Although I agree in principle, when have you last typed in a URL? For me I type URLs all the time. >it is bookmarks, links or copy and paste from email. If I do type it is >always into google, as then it doesn't matter if I have the name, >especially the dots and hyphens and stuff, exactly right and I need not >bother about .de .com or .co.uk. I am not sure that most people in the world who use WWW use Google as much= =20 as you an I. >OTOH let's assume the town of Munich >(BTW: Why is it politically correct for you to use Cologne and Munich >but according to our thought police neo-fascist for me to call Polish, >Romanian etc. cities by their centuries old German names?) You meant to finish the thought in the parentheses... I use K=F6ln and M=FCnchen when I know the people I am talking to understand= =20 it. (I also use both names in the proper form in my resume regardless,=20 because it is the correct name!) Otherwise it would be dumb to use a name=20 they don't know what I am talking about. You can add Z=FCrich to that mix,= at=20 least for me >were to offer services on their site. For efficiency they would like as=20 >many people as possible to use them, and for all the not quite so computer= =20 >literate it might be easier to remember m=FCnchen.de than muenchen.de. I do not understand your point. It seems to me that if they want to target= =20 people from _outside_ that cultural milieu they should approach them on=20 terms that are known to the them (the target). For example: If you went to= =20 visit holy sites in Israel, would you recognize jerusalem.co.il better than= =20 yerushalayim.co.il? Of course if the target audience was residents of Jerusalem, then maybe the= =20 second form would fit better, huh? As I said: It depends what they are trying to do in that little town in=20 Sweden: if they want to approach the worldwide market to tell the beauty of= =20 itself, then the umlauts are deadly ... Can you imagine gie=DFen.de for= =20 non-German speaking people? but giessen.de I can handle... or koeln.de or=20 cologne.de... BTW, check out http://www.zurich.ch/site/en.html - no umlauts= =20 when they write their own name inside the page! or http://www.munich.de/ -= =20 no umlauts in the name, and the site is in german completely, or type in=20 www.cologne.de and get this http://www.koeln.de/ - auf Deutsch, und auch=20 Franz=F6sisch.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:24:08 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Spanish Special Cahracters (was Re: Jim Gasbarro?) Comments: To: Hans Jacob Waern In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >Out of genuine interest but, not trying to prolong the special character=20 >dicussion: How are all these Spanish special characters handled in NA both= =20 >within the huge Spanish speaking minority or in communicating personal or= =20 >place names to the total community. I mean such characters as =D1, =F1, =C7= , =F1,,=20 >=EB =E8 or =BF. Are those handled without problem by the servers or is it= =20 >understood and accepted that they should be cleaned from the headers the=20 >way it has been discussed here? I don't know. I get a lot of junk mail from Mexico, but filter it right to= =20 trash, so I'll have to check!=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:04:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Martin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > >> There is no requirement to "register" the software. > >> > > Call it what you like. I call it registration. I've always > > refused to use software that has this sort of copy protection, > > on principle. The software is only good as long as Microsoft > > supports it. > > > Actually, he's right, in a sense, when he says it's an "activation" and not > a "registration". WinXP is Microsoft's first step towards a > subscription-type marketing model, wherein you don't *buy* the software and > you can't *own* it, but instead you subscribe to it as if it were a > service. Microsoft will maintain the software remotely, via your modem. And > if for some reason you don't pay, Microsoft will disable the software, also > via your modem. Think of cable TV, or your cell phone. That's worse. I'm sticking with Win98se. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:31:13 +0100 Reply-To: Chris Randle Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Randle Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > Behalf Of John Musielewicz > Sent: 18 June 2002 15:23 > ............ I think a self repairing OS is beyond the level > of skill that MS programmers have though. Their software > can't even tell when a file is corrupted. Bad news! Try this in Windows 2000. Go to where explorer lives (usually c:\program files\internet explorer) and rename iexplore.exe. Watch what happens. It's uncanny. Windows 2000's critial files are completely self-repairing and I've found it impossible to bypass the security that stops you altering system files. Do a hexedit on iexplore.exe for example, and it will replace it with a pukka copy. -- Chris Randle ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:32:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > There is an inherent weakness in this structure because of the implication > of "ownership" by te end user: "Hey, I bought the program at CompUSA! I own > it!", when the answer is "No, Bubba, you only bought a CD/diskette and a > manual inside a box with a license to use the program!" This is hard to > explain. Sorry about that. When I buy a program I buy a program. If MS doesn't think of it that way, MS can go worry about it. I'm not likely to pay $200 for a disc. As to the reason it's hard to explain, that's because most people know better. It's hard to explain why mugging is ok, too. If you want to maintain the fantasy that you own something on my computer, and if that cheers you up, go right ahead and pretend. But it's mine if it's on my computer. Try to mess with it and find out. Now, to be a little more reasonable, I do agree that I haven't purchased the right to distribute it. That still belongs to you. And/or MS. I bought and paid for the house I live in and the land it's sitting on. But I didn't buy the full mineral rights. Kind of the same thing. What is a program? Its sure not the disc it comes on. We can think of it as a combination of 1's and 0's. Which means that basically it's a number. One great big huge number. In the case of MSVC++ 6 and all it's little help and helpers, it's a number 1.8 billion eight bit digit's long. But it's just a number. Who owns a number? How silly can we get? If we're gonna own numbers, I want the number 1,000,000. Then all millionaires can pay me royaltees. Better yet, I want the number 1. Then everybody can give me royalties for each unit of wealth. And for each kid they have. And for anything else that can be expressed as a 1 or a mulitple thereof. Actually, the more I think of this, the more I like the idea. I guess the flaw is that in anything in a computer I won't get royalties on the 0s. Just the 1s. Nothing's perfect. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:39:33 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Chris Randle In-Reply-To: <000001c217e1$0ddd90e0$0100a8c0@dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed `Try fixing the names in the registry. Does that work? (Suggest: REMOVE ALL USEFUL data from said computer, back it up TWICE COMPLETELY, then try this...) avi PS I like the sound of the term "pukka copy" and have several, if imagined, explanations to the meaning of the term. At 6/19/02 +0100, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > > Behalf Of John Musielewicz > > Sent: 18 June 2002 15:23 > > > ............ I think a self repairing OS is beyond the level > > of skill that MS programmers have though. Their software > > can't even tell when a file is corrupted. > >Bad news! Try this in Windows 2000. Go to where explorer lives (usually >c:\program files\internet explorer) and rename iexplore.exe. Watch what >happens. It's uncanny. Windows 2000's critial files are completely >self-repairing and I've found it impossible to bypass the security that >stops you altering system files. Do a hexedit on iexplore.exe for >example, and it will replace it with a pukka copy. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:37:54 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Barry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List rejected the initial post... So this is part one... I really did not expect that my post would incur such "aggression" from you, Barry... Sorry about this... Read on... At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Avi Meshar" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:41 PM >Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > > > > There is an inherent weakness in this structure because of the > > implication of "ownership" by te end user: "Hey, I bought the program at > > CompUSA! I own it!", when the answer is "No, Bubba, you only bought a > > CD/diskette and a manual inside a box with a license to use the > program!" > This is hard to explain. > >Sorry about that. When I buy a program I buy a program. If MS >doesn't think of it that way, MS can go worry about it. I'm not >likely to pay $200 for a disc. The ownership is not in doubt! If you start selling a program that you purchased from me as your own program you will pay dearly for the theft, because I still own the program. There is no doubt that MS owns the programs that run on your computer. What you own is a digital copy of that program, no more. MS and other software vendors ALL worry about it and that is why they try to move away from the model of "selling a program", because that has the inherent issue of who owns it if you paid for it, and then they have to go into the whole spiel about _what_ you buy. Check the license which explains to you what you buy really. It makes no difference that _you_ think you bought _the program_ - you really only bought a copy of it with a license to use it and a cheap disk and cheaper manual... You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, and advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. One copy will go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory cop-style characters, or worse. >As to the reason it's hard to explain, that's because most >people know better. It's hard to explain why mugging is ok, >too. Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the fine print on the license. They also try to see that my point is not to justify and be sympathetic with Microsoft (God know - sorry Dr Nat - I have earned my place in the other column from MS-lovers!!!) but to explain why they are doing the stuff they do in XP. End of Part 1 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:40:38 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: OT: Windows XP - Part 2 Comments: To: Barry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >If you want to maintain the fantasy that you own something on my >computer, and if that cheers you up, go right ahead and pretend. >But it's mine if it's on my computer. Try to mess with it and >find out. First of all remind me NEVER to sell any software to you so you won't come to my home and kill me when something goes bad on your computer. Secondly, I was trying to explain why MS is moving to the model of "renting" usage of their program and away from "selling" the (license to use) their program. I have no fantasies about it. Joe Bubba does! Thirdly, consider this: by selling to you the license to use the copy of the program, they own NOTHING of yours!!! They sold a piece of paper and a piece of plastic with some magnetic detritus to you - now YOU own it, now YOU put it in YOUR computer. There - if it does not function, then don't call them, it is YOURS! YOU BOUGHT it! But I know that you call MS Support and say "_YOUR_ program does not work!" You never call them stating categorically that _YOUR_ program does not work, huh?!! >Now, to be a little more reasonable, I do agree that I haven't purchased >the right to distribute it. That still belongs to you. And/or MS. PULEEZE - don't dishonor me like this - don't put me in the same category as MS! Really, you know how to hurt a guy! But it is good to see that you realize you only own that one copy of the program that you paid for, and not the real McCoy! >I bought and paid for the house I live in and the land it's sitting >on. But I didn't buy the full mineral rights. Kind of the same thing. Until the local municipality voids your right with "eminent domain" claim, or some mining company drills your front yard out to get to their minerals. And you can jump up and down like a chicken ( I can just see it in my mind's eyes!) in your yard next to their big drill machine yelling "But... but I own this land!" Yeah, right! >What is a program? Its sure not the disc it comes on. We can think of it >as a combination of 1's and 0's. Which means that basically it's a >number. One great big huge number. In the case of MSVC++ 6 and all it's >little help and helpers, it's a number 1.8 billion eight bit digit's >long. But it's just a number. Who owns a number? How silly can we get? _YOU_ can think of "what is the program" in any way you like, MS doesn't care. MS has a definition, regardless of what you think of it. BTW, their definition trumps yours - ALWAYS!!! Why? Because THEY made the program that you purchased, not you. >If we're gonna own numbers, I want the number 1,000,000. Then all >millionaires can pay me royaltees. Pah! The fact remains you _DO_ pay them for their programs. >I guess the flaw is that in anything in a computer I won't get royalties >on the 0s. Just the 1s. Nothing's perfect. Then some millionaire will charge you your hide, left arm and left leg in royalties to be able to use the zeros! So you better not enforce your rights to the ones. Well, enough of that nonsense... Someone here may think we are seriously fighting about this. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:09:32 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619193630.00a3d7f0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the > fine print on the license. Okay, I want a show of hands. How many people on HPLX-L read the fine print on the license? I read it for the first couple of software packages I bought, but haven't read any since. (And it's been quite a few years and many packages since I bought my first one!) I understand that the company from which I bought the software owns it legally, but for all practical purposes I might as well own it. For example, if I want to reverse engineer it or make 475 personal copies I'm going to do it without a moment's hesitation, regardless of what the license says. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:32:10 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:09:32 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > >> Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the >> fine print on the license. > >Okay, I want a show of hands. How many people on HPLX-L read the fine >print on the license? I read it for the first couple of software >packages I bought, but haven't read any since. (And it's been quite a >few years and many packages since I bought my first one!) I don't think I've read a software licese any more than I read about the copyright on a book. I just look to make sure its not one that needs renewal and go with it. Its like the conditions of use alot of companies put out. Never read those either. Since what matters is a sharp lawyer and alot of whining during the lawsuit who cares what the contract says? Just get a jury and go with it:). Considering that criminals are awarded money thru lawsuits if they are injured while doing their 'deed' I imagine a little thing like a license won't matter. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:26 +1000 Reply-To: lists@eggins.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Eggins Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Its as easy as this: I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take it off me. I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell it. Same with software. David > Avi Meshar wrote: > > List rejected the initial post... So this is part one... > > I really did not expect that my post would incur such "aggression" > from > you, Barry... Sorry about this... Read on... > > At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Avi Meshar" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:41 PM > >Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > > > > > > > There is an inherent weakness in this structure because of the > > > implication of "ownership" by te end user: "Hey, I bought the > program at > > > CompUSA! I own it!", when the answer is "No, Bubba, you only > bought a > > > CD/diskette and a manual inside a box with a license to use the > > program!" > This is hard to explain. > > > >Sorry about that. When I buy a program I buy a program. If MS > >doesn't think of it that way, MS can go worry about it. I'm not > >likely to pay $200 for a disc. > > > The ownership is not in doubt! If you start selling a program that > you > purchased from me as your own program you will pay dearly for the > theft, > because I still own the program. > > There is no doubt that MS owns the programs that run on your > computer. What > you own is a digital copy of that program, no more. > > MS and other software vendors ALL worry about it and that is why they > try > to move away from the model of "selling a program", because that has > the > inherent issue of who owns it if you paid for it, and then they have > to go > into the whole spiel about _what_ you buy. Check the license which > explains > to you what you buy really. > > It makes no difference that _you_ think you bought _the program_ - > you > really only bought a copy of it with a license to use it and a cheap > disk > and cheaper manual... > > You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, and > advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. One copy > will > go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory cop-style > characters, or > worse. > > > >As to the reason it's hard to explain, that's because most > >people know better. It's hard to explain why mugging is ok, > >too. > > > Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the > fine > print on the license. > > They also try to see that my point is not to justify and be > sympathetic > with Microsoft (God know - sorry Dr Nat - I have earned my place in > the > other column from MS-lovers!!!) but to explain why they are doing the > stuff > they do in XP. > > > End of Part 1 > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:54:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe I should give up! I really tried my best to explain something that I have a good perspective on, but I guess it is harder than I expected. See below... At 6/19/02 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the > > fine print on the license. > >Okay, I want a show of hands. How many people on HPLX-L read the fine >print on the license? I read it for the first couple of software >packages I bought, but haven't read any since. (And it's been quite a >few years and many packages since I bought my first one!) > >I understand that the company from which I bought the software owns it >legally, but for all practical purposes I might as well own it. For >example, if I want to reverse engineer You can do ANYTHING you want with your copy, that's not what my point is. >it or make 475 personal copies I'm going to do it without a moment's >hesitation, regardless of what the license says. Yes, right, but ... The main point - again - is not that you can do that. The point is that Microsoft and other software vendors want to go AWAY from the model of software sales that leaves unclear the issue of ownership. I hope THAT point was clear in my message. When you buy a car do you feel free to change its color, carpets, radio? Sure. What about a rental car? See the point! If I fail with you I will give up! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:15 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: lists@eggins.com In-Reply-To: <200206200241.g5K2fQM18349@mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed YES!!! You can drive 1500km in it per year, or 150,000km. MS wants to wean you from this model, and have you pay for the usage. Software for mainframes is priced like that: For a single-cpu machine $5,000, 2-cpu machine - $9000, 4-cpu - 15,000 etc. Why? because you can get MORE usage out of the software with multiple-cpu machines, so the software vendors want their cut. MS has wanted for a long time to charge per usage, say $0.004 cents per activation of Word. XP is beginning to move customers to that line of thinking. At 6/20/02 +1000, you wrote: >Its as easy as this: > >I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take it off me. >I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell it. > >Same with software. > >David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:10:10 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodore Heise" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the > > fine print on the license. > > Okay, I want a show of hands. How many people on HPLX-L read the fine > print on the license? I read it for the first couple of software > packages I bought, but haven't read any since. (And it's been quite a > few years and many packages since I bought my first one!) > > I understand that the company from which I bought the software owns it > legally, but for all practical purposes I might as well own it. For > example, if I want to reverse engineer it or make 475 personal copies > I'm going to do it without a moment's hesitation, regardless of what the > license says. I've read a lot of licenses. But I haven't since I retired. I really don't care what they say. I have my own set of rules that I follow and my rules won't let me sell or otherwise distribute software that they're trying to sell. What I do with them in the privacy of my own home is my own business. Once they stop publishing a program and it's likely that it's a goner as far as they're concerned (MS-Dos 6 for example) I'll do my best to help people who want a copy get one. But I won't do that for money. Barry Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:16:52 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 > YES!!! You can drive 1500km in it per year, or 150,000km. > > MS wants to wean you from this model, and have you pay for the usage. > Software for mainframes is priced like that: For a single-cpu machine > $5,000, 2-cpu machine - $9000, 4-cpu - 15,000 etc. Why? because you can get > MORE usage out of the software with multiple-cpu machines, so the software > vendors want their cut. > > MS has wanted for a long time to charge per usage, say $0.004 cents per > activation of Word. > > XP is beginning to move customers to that line of thinking. XP isn't beginning to move me to that line of thinking. And comparing this with Mini and mainframe computers doesn't make a lot of sense. In a company with a network it does. But I don't own a computer with a network card. I buy one copy of one program to use on one computer. While I acknowledge MS right to market their products any way they like, I also maintain the right to not participate. And if I didn't realize that those who do participate don't have much option, I'd be laughing at them. But they don't have a choice for the most part. By the way, have they made provision for those whose computers aren't on the internet? I know a lot of people using computers who've never seen the internet. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:19:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: OT: XP part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran into the size limit too so here's my part one. > I really did not expect that my post would incur such "aggression" from > you, Barry... Sorry about this... Read on... Not aggression. Strong feelings. But not unfriendly ones. > At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Avi Meshar" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:41 PM > >Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP > > > > > > > There is an inherent weakness in this structure because of the > > > implication of "ownership" by te end user: "Hey, I bought the program at > > > CompUSA! I own it!", when the answer is "No, Bubba, you only bought a > > > CD/diskette and a manual inside a box with a license to use the > > program!" > This is hard to explain. > > > >Sorry about that. When I buy a program I buy a program. If MS > >doesn't think of it that way, MS can go worry about it. I'm not > >likely to pay $200 for a disc. > > > The ownership is not in doubt! If you start selling a program that you > purchased from me as your own program you will pay dearly for the theft, > because I still own the program. I agree that you have the exclusive right to distribute the program. But my copy is mine. Bought and paid for. I claim it as my own. No-one else has any rights to it. It's mine. And yes, I'm talking about my copy. > There is no doubt that MS owns the programs that run on your computer. What > you own is a digital copy of that program, no more. Much doubt. The law agrees with you and Bill Gates agrees with you but I completely disagree. When I buy a program I buy a program. Those are my terms. By cashing my check or crediting my card you signify that you agree to my terms. I have as much right to that claim as anyone else. > MS and other software vendors ALL worry about it and that is why they try > to move away from the model of "selling a program", because that has the > inherent issue of who owns it if you paid for it, and then they have to go > into the whole spiel about _what_ you buy. Check the license which explains > to you what you buy really. What MS and other vendors really worry about is being cheated. Not being paid for their product. That being the case they don't have to worry about me. I buy the software that I use. If they carry their worries so far as to make their program either useless or offensive to me, I'll just hang on to the one I already have. It's mine to use forever. I won't be going to XP. to be continued.................... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:20:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: OT: XP part 2 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It makes no difference that _you_ think you bought _the program_ - you > really only bought a copy of it with a license to use it and a cheap disk > and cheaper manual... What I think is the only thing that matters. It's my opinion that I'm talking about. > You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, and > advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. One copy will > go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory cop-style characters, or > worse. Nope. That's dishonest. > >As to the reason it's hard to explain, that's because most > >people know better. It's hard to explain why mugging is ok, > >too. > > Most people who know better do not react like you do - they read the fine > print on the license. I've read much fine print. I set up the system to be sure we abided by all the license requirements at the last company I worked for. I fully understand the licensing, at least as it was at that time. And I agree that a major corporation that cares for it's reputation has to be very careful to abide by those rules. I argued the need for that system and fought pretty hard to get it authorized. They had to obey the rules, dumb or not. It just wasn't good business not to. I can choose to ignore dumb rules and protection systems and "it's yours but I'm paying for the privilige of using it" and other such nonsense. And I do. But I do it honestly. I pay my way. > They also try to see that my point is not to justify and be sympathetic > with Microsoft (God know - sorry Dr Nat - I have earned my place in the > other column from MS-lovers!!!) but to explain why they are doing the stuff > they do in XP. I'm not anti-MS at all. I don't like everything they do. I particularly dislike this paranoia they're promoting currently. I think they've gotten too big and powerful. But all in all I think MS and Bill Gates have been a very positive force in the world. I still deny that they own anything on my computer. > >If you want to maintain the fantasy that you own something on my > >computer, and if that cheers you up, go right ahead and pretend. > >But it's mine if it's on my computer. Try to mess with it and > >find out. > > First of all remind me NEVER to sell any software to you so you won't come > to my home and kill me when something goes bad on your computer. I hardly ever kill people over software licensing issues. :) > Secondly, I was trying to explain why MS is moving to the model of > "renting" usage of their program and away from "selling" the (license to > use) their program. I have no fantasies about it. Joe Bubba does! > > Thirdly, consider this: by selling to you the license to use the copy of > the program, they own NOTHING of yours!!! They sold a piece of paper and a > piece of plastic with some magnetic detritus to you - now YOU own it, now > YOU put it in YOUR computer. There - if it does not function, then don't > call them, it is YOURS! YOU BOUGHT it! But I know that you call MS > Support and say "_YOUR_ program does not work!" You never call them stating > categorically that _YOUR_ program does not work, huh?!! Actually that's never been an issue. When I call MS support I don't discuss ownership of the bits that make up the program. I simply tell them my problem, they tell me they can't do anything about it and I say thank you and we go our seperate ways. > >Now, to be a little more reasonable, I do agree that I haven't purchased > >the right to distribute it. That still belongs to you. And/or MS. > > PULEEZE - don't dishonor me like this - don't put me in the same category > as MS! Really, you know how to hurt a guy! You and MS are in the software business. So was I for over 3 decades before I retired. I'm proud of it. to be continued............. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:30:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619214659.00a80ec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >When you buy a car do you feel free to change its color, carpets, radio? >Sure. What about a rental car? See the point! > Actually this is a really good point. But the fact is while the car is rented its yours. And there are people that would do what you mention but most people wouldn't- simply because they rented that car to go from point A to point B. The people that do damage rental cars are only liable for damages up to the cost of the car. As long as you aren't doing anything illegal with it nobody can come and take it away without paying (refunding) your money. As long as you return it exactly like you rented it there is no liablity. Software is not the same as renting a car it is intellecual property like a patent or a book. Basically once it leaves the hands of the programmer there is really nothing that can be done to protect it- except what is programmed in. So most of the time it is taken on faith nobody will try to copy and sell, reverse engineer, break the registration code, etc and because of the broad range of sales of software it is only cost effective to attack peoplle who would deal in volume like bootleggers. But that does not mean the buyer does not own his copy. The programmer cannot go to each individual and say I'm revoking your license and taking my software back. One he would be laughed out of the office, two he would have to pay for the license- in a sense buy it back. The software programmer does not own the software any more than a author owns the books he writes. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:12:27 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: HP200LX 1MB for spare parts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Vagner Czech Rep. wrote: "Anyone wants? I was made attempt to backlite this unit, but not very = successful. I used an EL panel. It works, but the display has some rows = that not work, and the EL panel needs power converter, which is 2x2x2 = cm. The HP is a 1MB model (it haven't the ram expansion connector), but = i can make double speed upgrade (32MHz) if you want it. If you want = cable/adapter ... etc, i can make it. I want for it about 50Euro" Alan Krempler in Graz (Austria) of Quick Viewer (and other) fame needs a mother-board. Please reserve the unit for him. If you need the 50Euros soon i'll send them to you. Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:13:43 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: "Well look at this. Nathalie isn't just a pretty face:)" {snip} long useless quote When I first joined the list Franklin of Oslo made a similar remark (uh, a woman?) which resulted in quite some lively discussions and fires which had to be extinguished by the list admin. While I agree that there are a larger % of males holding patents, especially in computer technology and software, please consider the exceptions. Schwamm drueber; now back to the subject: XTGOLD One feature i use daily is called "HISTORY" - activated by the "up" arrow key. It shows the 16 most recent file names, either copied, renamed, extracted, moved, or executed. They can be treated "as" and changed "into" a directory listed in the history (up arrow). The history feature also works for zipped files, file attributes, file specifications, like type or date/time, and for comparing directories .. which will be the subject of a future XTGOLD message btw. anyone know of a xtgold list? enjoy, Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:16:14 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Helmut's batch file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the biggest drawback with WinExplorer is (ctrl+hold down l.mouse button) tagged files; one wrong move or nervous click with the mouse and all reverts back to untagged. in XTG they need to be manually untagged either individually via U, or the lot via F4+U. the total size of all tagged files shown helps with copying. Helmut's batch file to launch XTG is: @echo off c: c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 @c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1 c:\bin\maxdos.com -r cd \ -insert end- i load maxdos.com as tsr .. then launch Xtgold with xtg/zs Q1: what are e35? and /L1? c:\bin\bigcurs.com c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 c:\bin\normcurs.com Q2: is bigcurs too "big" for other applications? >thank you very much again for your XTG tips and tricks! and thank you for the batch file; i am learning about them right now and finished my 9.zip domesticating stray text :) anyone wants it? Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:47:53 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619214659.00a80ec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > The main point - again - is not that you can do that. The point is that > Microsoft and other software vendors want to go AWAY from the model of > software sales that leaves unclear the issue of ownership. I hope THAT > point was clear in my message. I don't think anyone is arguing about that point. The argument seems to be more about traditional and current licensing schemes. > When you buy a car do you feel free to change its color, carpets, radio? > Sure. What about a rental car? See the point! A rental car is gotten for a predefined finite period of time. Unless I misunderstood things badly, there is not a point in time at which I'm going to be expected to return my license to WWW-LX. > If I fail with you I will give up! Somehow I remain a bit skeptical of that. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:06:39 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619215533.00a524d0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aren't mainframes going down the tubes with the growth of networking? Who knows what they need to charge there to keep their business growth. The way MS is handling XP is the way Trumpet has handled their software for a long time. Its a poor way to handle an operating system and MS will probably change it . MS will never make a per usage scheme fly. Businesses are already thinking of moving away from MS with this XP fiasco and probably quite a few will. Once people start moving and they see stability just is none existant in MS software, I'll bet a thousand MS changes it trying to get customers back. But it won't matter since once the dam starts trickling it'll burst in a flood. I'm always behind the times in computers. I'll be willing to bet another thousand I'm one of last to using windows and cussing linux because its a monopoly:). On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:15 -0700, you wrote: >YES!!! You can drive 1500km in it per year, or 150,000km. > >MS wants to wean you from this model, and have you pay for the usage. >Software for mainframes is priced like that: For a single-cpu machine >$5,000, 2-cpu machine - $9000, 4-cpu - 15,000 etc. Why? because you can = get >MORE usage out of the software with multiple-cpu machines, so the = software >vendors want their cut. > >MS has wanted for a long time to charge per usage, say $0.004 cents per >activation of Word. > >XP is beginning to move customers to that line of thinking. > > >At 6/20/02 +1000, you wrote: >>Its as easy as this: >> >>I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take it = off me. >>I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell = it. >> >>Same with software. >> >>David > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:22:47 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >See, when you're the only game in town, you can make up your own rules. Price fixing > >> I would know though if my modem was dialed >> without my knowledge and if software was downloaded and installed. > >It may have already happened, while you were online conducting other >business. It's called "Windows Update". I keep a close eye on my directory structure and files plus I know the approximate size of what comes and goes. DOS has been good and taught me enough about the system to know whether something has changed on me.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:37:59 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: a change of subject Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud In-Reply-To: <012a01c2180b$0226cf80$e15a933e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:13:43 +0200, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >"Well look at this. Nathalie isn't just a pretty face:)" > {snip} long useless quote Well now- I wouldn't call it useless! How else would they see how intelligent you are!:) > >When I first joined the list Franklin of Oslo made a similar remark (uh,= a >woman?) which resulted in quite some lively discussions and fires which = had >to be extinguished by the list admin. Ah...the list. It has always had some fearoucious (sp?) interesting flame wars. It has gotten much too quiet. You should've been here to see me flame WinCE when it first came out. I think I drove a couple of WinCE users off the list. And WinCE is still as bad now as it was back then. I've been reading this list since at least 97- maybe earlier. I've been using the LX since 95 or 96. Hard for me to believe I know so little about it. I think it's time to move on to a new handheld. I think I'm going to get a Zarus 5500. It has a version of Linux on it. > >While I agree that there are a larger % of males holding patents, = especially >in computer technology and software, please consider the exceptions. It seems like most patents are held by faceless corporations spending huge sums of money using teams of people. Its difficult for the individual to compete. But then I never had an interest in patents. Au revoir John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:54:11 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <200206200241.g5K2fQM18349@mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:32:30 +1200 (NZT) 03h51m04s ago ... On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:26 +1000, David Eggins wrote: > Its as easy as this: > > I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take it = off me. > I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell = it. > > Same with software. Agree, cloning is the problem :) The new MS idea to "rent" MS Word over the net as so much per word seems to merely be a way to stop cloning. But that would not really be like renting a car - more like being forced to dial a taxi for transport. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:46:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001901c21807$5e4df440$100d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't want to respond to everything, because it'll make for longish posts. I am sure everyone had seen plenty of my name and writings here lately. So just some reactions to some gems you wrote. That is not to say the rest is bad, I truly appreciate the interaction with you! At 6/19/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >Not aggression. Strong feelings. But not unfriendly ones. Yes, that is why I enclosed aggression in quotes. We have known each other long enough to know. > > There is no doubt that MS owns the programs that run on your > >computer. What you own is a digital copy of that program, no more. > >Much doubt. The law agrees with you and Bill Gates agrees with >you but I completely disagree. When I buy a program I buy a >program. Those are my terms. By cashing my check or crediting >my card you signify that you agree to my terms. I have as much >right to that claim as anyone else. Write that on the back of the check when they cash it! >I still deny that they own anything on my computer. I join you, but I do not matter here. BUT MS is now trying to make everyone start thinking differently. > > First of all remind me NEVER to sell any software to you so >you won't come > > to my home and kill me when something goes bad on your >computer. > >I hardly ever kill people over software licensing issues. :) Ah good! Let me know when you are ready for your complimentary copy! > > But it is good to see that you realize you only own that one > > copy of the program that you paid for, and not the real McCoy! > >Of course. I'm not making excuses to steal your livelyhood. Actually we followed a THOROUGHLY different strategy than MS. >I'm talking about how silly our system is. In general it does a >lot more good then harm. It helps you get paid for your work, >and you deserve that. And I think we got paid fairly for the effort. I just wish there were many more customers ... >But eminent domain? Over my dead body! Could happen, unfortunately. Some people died in fights with metallic devices that move earth. Very sad. > > BTW, their definition trumps yours - ALWAYS!!! Why? Because THEY made the > > program that you purchased, not you. > >If their definition trumps mine it's because they own a congress >which owns an army and they can get away with it. But I'm >right! Oh, you pull out the heavy artillery! I believe that copyright are for the duration of the author's life plus 50 years. but it changed in 1/1/1978. see this url for a helpful table http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm or here http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/duration.html But there is a LARGe question if programs fall under copyright or protection as commercial property. But that's another large cat with several layers of fur that will take a lot of posts to skin. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:09:16 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi John, Sorry for the briefest possible reply, but I am getting sick of seeing my own name here so much! At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > >When you buy a car do you feel free to change its color, carpets, radio? > >Sure. What about a rental car? See the point! > > > >Actually this is a really good point. But the fact is while the car is >rented its yours. Not at all. It belongs to someone else. Try to sell a rental car while you are renting it. If you cannot, it is because it is not yours - only in your possession temporarily, also known as "rented to you". >And there are people that would do what you mention >but most people wouldn't- ROFL! you know, you are right. Some people "remodel" apartments while they live in them, heck, even hotel rooms. Animals are everywhere, it's a jungle out there! Really. >simply because they rented that car to go from point A to point B. Good point. MS wants you to start thinking about renting its software to "go from here to there" presumably from having no document to having one written, or having no spreadsheet to having one. The big question will be "Where do you want to go?" >But that does not mean the buyer does not own his copy. Which I kept saying is true - you DO own your copy. ONLY the copy. But not for example the source code... >The programmer cannot go to each individual and say I'm revoking your >license and taking my software back. What if they sell you the right to use it (aka "a license") for just one year? Then the code is dead. Fair enough, I think. They don't have to take it back, the program is dead and useless. >One he would be laughed out of the office, two he would have to pay for >the license- in a sense buy it back. The software programmer does not own >the software any more than a author owns the books he writes. Right. But the author owns the content. Test it: Take say, a novel by John Grisham and print it under your name and try to sell it. If you are not successful and end up in legal troubles, it is because you do not own the content of the story, even if you personally and totally own the paper upon which one copy is printed. Same with the program. You own the copy, but not the source code of the program. What you call "the program in my computer" is merely a digital copy of the running phase of the code. What I call "the program" is the source code, the ideas in it, the embodiment of the creative process of solving a problem. You can sell "your program" for maybe 15% of what it cost to buy, and I can sell "my program" many times over, for whatever the market will pay. We are talking about VERY different things. (And I do not mean to imply anything about how smart you are about programming and all that - please don't take my words in this way...) Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:24:45 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >Aren't mainframes going down the tubes with the growth of networking? What do you think drives the larger and larger networks? It ain't your desktop PCs. It is the multi-engined big iron. >Its a poor way to handle an operating system and MS will probably change it. I hope for all our sakes that MS'ship will lodge itself on that XP rock nice and hard, never to be dislodged, frankly. >MS will never make a per usage scheme fly. From your lips to Allah's ears. I hope so too. But they certainly want it. >Businesses are already thinking of moving away from MS with this >XP fiasco and probably quite a few will. Good. Could not have happened to a more deserving company. >Once people start moving and they see stability just is none existant in >MS software, I'll bet a thousand MS changes it trying to get customers back. I see over and over again Linux machines that get rebooted once a month, two months, etc. I reboot voluntarily my Win98 just to save me from hang ups later with resources leaks, memory leaks, and other crappy gremlins. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:28:23 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <20020620054956.20E17D1C2A@deborah.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/20/02 +1200, you wrote: >The new MS idea to "rent" MS Word over the net as so much per >word seems to merely be a way to stop cloning. > >But that would not really be like renting a car - more like >being forced to dial a taxi for transport. Call up on the phone to a neighbour of an Amish family in Pennsylvania to ask them to come to you in California to take you on a trip to Seattle. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:20:15 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim wrote: > I'm using Software Carousel, starting LXPro in a relatively uncluttered > session; then starting LXPro. It works fine, BUT there's no "code page > toggle" that I can see. I've started the ASCII map (F3) and then hit = "DEL" > and nothing happens. You have to do an additional ZOOM action to let the new codepage become active. This is always the case for every change of fonts, not only code pages. > How does one tell which codepage he is using? I should add a sign which tells the codepage in use. Until then select a character from F3 ASCII table which shows !! in the Mnm field. !! means, that this character is different for the 437 and 850 codepages. Remember the character, then press DEL and ZOOM and the surrounded character should have changed. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:58:27 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: CLKUP32.SYS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello folks, could anyone please explain how to use dotclk.com in the package? Docs are in japanese and no online help available, neither any texts in the binary. Looking into .com didn't give any fruits, too: what is service 3F of INT 15, some CLKUP32 hook? Thanks for help -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:36:41 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: Helmut's batch file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nathalie, > c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 > @c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1 > c:\bin\maxdos.com -r > cd \ > -insert end- > i load maxdos.com as tsr .. then launch Xtgold with xtg/zs > Q1: what are e35? and /L1? /L1 XTG launches and log first level only e35 -e{EMS page count} : specifies EMS size in pages This option sets how many pages of EMS are used for the memory swap. If this option is not specified, EMS is not used. If only '-e' is specified without the page count, maxdos will use all the available space in EMS. xtg /zs is new to me, I didn't find it in the readme.doc. What does /zs do? > c:\bin\bigcurs.com > c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 > c:\bin\normcurs.com > > Q2: is bigcurs too "big" for other applications? I use it only for WordPerfect to make the cursor size close to the size of other applications. > finished my 9.zip domesticating stray text :) anyone wants it? I would like it. Kind regards Helmuth ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:59:27 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: HP200LX 1MB for spare parts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nathalie On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:12:27 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud = wrote: > Alan Krempler in Graz (Austria) of Quick Viewer (and other) fame needs = a > mother-board. Please reserve the unit for him. If you need the 50Euros = soon > i'll send them to you. Sorry, but the machine is sold. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:04:45 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: OT: Windows XP > I believe that copyright are for the duration of the author's life plus 50 > years. but it changed in 1/1/1978. see this url for a helpful table > http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm or here > http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/duration.html See "Opposing Copyright Extension" at: http://www.law.asu.edu/HomePages/Karjala/OpposingCopyrightExtens ion/ The Sonny Bono act was passed in 1998. 1978 is the dividing line used in determining which law an item falls under. Also see "The Mickey Mouse Copyright Law" article at: http://www.law.asu.edu/HomePages/Karjala/OpposingCopyrightExtens ion/constitutionality/slaton1-13-99.html There was also the Berne Convention Implementation Act in 1989 that originally set the 1978 dividing line and brought our copyright laws and the rest of the world's copyright laws into line. Keep in mind that these acts have been lobbied for and largely written by copyright holders. Disney in Sonny Bono act. The music industry in the case of the DMCA. Disney again in Senator Hollings CBDTPA. That's the one that's really really scary. I hope everyone who isn't aware of that bill will read up on it and start writing letters to your congressmen. This will end computers as we know them. And, Avi, it'll very likely put you out of the software business. You and other small software producers won't be able to afford to meet the legal requirements it'll impose. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:43:33 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theodore Heise wrote: > but for all practical purposes I might as well own it. For > example, if I want to reverse engineer it or make 475 > personal copies I'm going to do it without a moment's > hesitation, regardless of what the license says. The really dangerous tendency is for others to follow the lead. For Nokia phones you can already get neither service manuals nor parts, except a very few surreptitiously from outlets that make it look and feel similar to obtaining a smoke of cannabis. Car manufaturers are going the same way - not yet for whole cars but already for all kinds of subassemblies. And they way I was treated when trying to get rid of a preinstalled XP and tried to find out what exactly was in it to be able to find drivers made it plain they believed I was at least semi-criminal. Imagine buying a car and not even being told whether it was petrol or diesel powered as you are not supposed to fill it up yourself anyway, that is only for the main dealer to do. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:49:54 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, > and advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. > One copy will go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory > cop-style characters, or worse. It has been tested (copies are outside the main discussion here). When I bought my computer, Word 2000 was bundled with it. I have never installed it and never will. Bill Gates would love to make it illegal for me to sell it to someone else and says so in his "licence". When tested in court, German judges have so far thought otherwise. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:56:09 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > - now YOU own it, now YOU put it in YOUR computer. There - > if it does not function, then don't call them, it is YOURS! > YOU BOUGHT it! But I know that you call MS Support and > say "_YOUR_ program does not work!" You never call them stating > categorically that _YOUR_ program does not work, huh?!! And that is your attitude too, when a car or TV set you bought new does not work? Or do you not own those outright either? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:59:13 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Eggins wrote: > I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot > take it off me. I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have > a clone made up and sell it. Actually, I believe you can. You just can't sell it as a genuine BMW or Rolex or whatever. But those trademark lawyers get sillier by the day, so maybe that is changing too. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:11:51 +1000 Reply-To: David Eggins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Eggins Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619215533.00a524d0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm 150,000km 100km per hour 8 hours per day 5 days per week 37.5 weeks Thays a job! Just as well its a BMW M3 But yes you are correct. MS SQL Server is already like this. Charge per CPU in the server. David -----Original Message----- From: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com [mailto:hplxmail@alwaysafe.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 3:03 PM To: lists@eggins.com; hplX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 YES!!! You can drive 1500km in it per year, or 150,000km. MS wants to wean you from this model, and have you pay for the usage. Software for mainframes is priced like that: For a single-cpu machine $5,000, 2-cpu machine - $9000, 4-cpu - 15,000 etc. Why? because you can get MORE usage out of the software with multiple-cpu machines, so the software vendors want their cut. MS has wanted for a long time to charge per usage, say $0.004 cents per activation of Word. XP is beginning to move customers to that line of thinking. At 6/20/02 +1000, you wrote: >Its as easy as this: > >I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take it off me. >I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell it. > >Same with software. > >David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:53:51 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:20:15 +0000, Stefan Peichl wrote: > I should add a sign which tells the codepage in use. > Until then select a character from F3 ASCII table which > shows !! in the Mnm field. !! means, that this character is > different for the 437 and 850 codepages. Remember the > character, then press DEL and ZOOM and the surrounded > character should have changed. Well, if I go to the ASCII table, set the cursor to character Dec 251 and ONLY zoom throught the three modes (LXPro is on top of Post/LX currently), then the character changes even WITHOUT pressing Del. At least in the table, don't know about the underlying application... I tried with several other characters, and it seems to be the same for char DEC 247, but not for most other "!!"-marked characters. What's happening here? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:18:28 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D11DD82.7591006D@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As I said, one copy will sell fine. What if you made more copies and tried to sell them? At 6/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >Avi Meshar wrote: > > You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, > > and advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. > > One copy will go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory > > cop-style characters, or worse. > >It has been tested (copies are outside the main discussion here). When I >bought my computer, Word 2000 was bundled with it. I have never >installed it and never will. Bill Gates would love to make it illegal >for me to sell it to someone else and says so in his "licence". When >tested in court, German judges have so far thought otherwise. > >Axel > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:38:09 +0200 Reply-To: Gijs Leegwater Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gijs Leegwater Subject: cakewalk 4.0 for DOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does anyone here has cakewalk 4.0? I cant find it anywhere on the net. Bye, Cheiz ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:11 -0400 Reply-To: Andrew Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Andrew Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am pretty sure I'm getting random generated SPAM. I've been noticing a lot of SPAM at my aspk earthlink address frequently as one of a huge list of similar addresses. Once I noticed that one of the addresses was aspk@hotmail so I performed an experiment. I send a question to the hotmail address figuring that if it bounced it would suggest random address generation. As it happens it did bounce so I am inclined to think that they are just trying random 4 character addresses (or aspk is using mailwasher). I think I'll change to a longer address (make 'em work harder). -- Andrew King Ann Arbor Michigan technology is the answer, what was the question? >Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: PossibleVirus) > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:54:53 -0700 > From: Willnotreply GMX > >I have just looked at one of my email account which I haven't accessed >in about a year. It's address is pc@xxx.com. I see at least 100 emails >sent to various combination of pc@yyy.com, etc. Now pc is certainly not >a command given name. I guess what they are doing is simply take >a random user names and suffix with a valid domain and spam. Interesting >thing is most emails are unique; at most duplicated; never more than >three times. > >Best Regards, >Alfred Lee > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Victor Roberts >To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:42 AM >Subject: Re: FLUFF: Spam to unused email addresses (was: Re: PossibleVirus) > > >>On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:03:31 -0400, Rick Rae wrote: >> >>> Since this is a tiny regional ISP, I doubt the "random names" technique >>> applies here. Stuff like this realllllly makes you wonder what's going >on >>> behind the scenes. >> >>I agree. Earthlink is a known name, but I would be surprised if >>the spammers would target every ISP in the country (world?) And >>then try all possible names with each of the thousands >>(millions?) of ISPs. Makes me think that these guys are selling >>their username lists. But then again, with high speed >>computers and high speed connections to the Internet, I guess >>anything is possible today. >> >>Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:20:31 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test Comments: To: Andrew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 05:57 PM Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test | I am pretty sure I'm getting random generated SPAM. I concur. Although I use quite a few different e-mail adresses, there is only one(so far..) that gets spam regularly, and it is the only short one, with only letters, no signs( Most other ones have at least a dot in them) Etienne ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:40:22 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620101752.04340ec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually nobody seems to be disagreeing with the idea that the *user* can't make copies and sell them. That does not dispell the idea of software ownership by the user. Its simply a level of ownership. You can't come and reposses my legal copy of WWW/LX which I paid for- at your whim, which you could if you legally owned *my copy*. If I sell my 200LX Iam perfectly free to include *my copy* along with it. I can even charge extra for it. If I decide not to use it any more I can sell *my copy* I control *my copy* therefore I own it. But that is only a single copy *my copy*. The lowest level of ownership. Those were the purchasing conditions. If they had been differant- such as if I had needed to renew the license every year or unable to sell *my copy* I probably wouldn't have bought it. Now if I wanted to make copies and sell it I would buy the *distribution ownership rights* from you and Andreas. If I wanted the source I would try to purchase *ownership rights to the source* from Andreas. Its quite libretarian. You *level* of ownership is all in your purchasing power and what you want to spend. There are no grey areas. Now if MS is trying to introduce a differant form of ownership bully for them. I won't go along with it. John On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:18:28 -0700, you wrote: >As I said, one copy will sell fine. What if you made more copies and = tried >to sell them? > >At 6/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >>Avi Meshar wrote: >> > You can easily test it: Make copies of Windows 98 for example, >> > and advertise that it is _your_ program and you are selling it. >> > One copy will go, but the next will get you visits by unsavory >> > cop-style characters, or worse. >> >>It has been tested (copies are outside the main discussion here). When = I >>bought my computer, Word 2000 was bundled with it. I have never >>installed it and never will. Bill Gates would love to make it illegal >>for me to sell it to someone else and says so in his "licence". When >>tested in court, German judges have so far thought otherwise. >> >>Axel >> >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:00:23 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: NO MORE please!!! (was:Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1) Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: <1j24hu8c33oacamsqn5frj0gl747mfg3cb@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >Actually nobody seems to be disagreeing with the idea that the *user* >can't make copies and sell them. That does not dispell the idea of >software ownership by the user. Its simply a level of ownership. You >can't come and reposses my legal copy of WWW/LX which I paid for- at >your whim, which you could if you legally owned *my copy*. I never disputed that you owned the copy you purchased - didn't you read=20 what I wrote? sheesh... I ALWAYS acknowledged that YOU own it because you=20 paid for it. But if you make copies and sell them I will show up with goons! >If I sell >my 200LX Iam perfectly free to include *my copy* along with it. I can >even charge extra for it. yes. you can even sell it on its own. Never a dispute about the copy you=20 paid for. >If I decide not to use it any more I can >sell *my copy* I control *my copy* therefore I own it. never disputed. You seem to reassert what was acknowledged and agreed upon before. >But that is only a single copy *my copy*. The lowest level of ownership. I have no idea what this terms "lowest level of ownership" means. It sounds= =20 like being somewhat pregnant. The law defines ownership very clearly. >Those were the purchasing conditions. If they had been differant- such as= =20 >if I had needed to renew the license every year or unable to sell *my >copy* I probably wouldn't have bought it. There is a small requirement in the case of D&A to let us know who the new= =20 owner is and we then send personalized registration. No hurdles to the=20 transaction, though. >Now if I wanted to make copies and sell it I would buy the *distribution=20 >ownership rights* from you and Andreas. There is no such thing as "distribution ownership right". You insist on=20 injecting a ludicrous term "levels of ownership". Does not exist! In the=20 case of MS they own the source code of the programs, not you. They are the= =20 only ones who can distribute it (and whoever they license to do it), not=20 you (unless you are licensed to distribute). Sorry, let's not even go= there... > If I wanted the source I would try to purchase *ownership rights to the= =20 > source* from Andreas. There is only one ownership - that of the program's source, ideas, methods.= =20 The rest are rights or licenses the owner may give to others. You need to=20 work out your terminology first, sorry. > Its quite libretarian. You *level* of ownership is all in your=20 > purchasing power and what you want to spend. There are no grey areas. You exercise full ownership on the digital copy you paid for. no more. >Now if MS is trying to introduce a differant form of ownership bully >for them. I won't go along with it. maybe you can stop, sti down, take a deep breath and listen a moment: They= =20 would _LOVE_ to introduce something new. A model that will make the user in= =20 effect "rent" the software each time, or for several uses. Think of it as= =20 Avis-Rent-A-Program . I am not saying it is good, I am not saying it is= =20 bad. I am not even saying if I think it'll work (probably too much=20 resistance in the first years!). But I suspect that they could succeed. Here is an example: Let's say you want to use a novel program idea called=20 Widgimidgi. It miraculously reduces your enemies to whimpering heaps of=20 jelly. The terms of the usage: You login to MS' server, login to=20 widgimidgi, give your credit card and away you go. You get charged $0.15=20 per enemy you apply widgimidgi against. The program will run partially on=20 your machine, and partially elsewhere. Your choices: 1. Remain libertarian and not use the program 2. in effect agree to "rent" the usage of the program If you agree, then MS succeeded in introducing the model of software to you= =20 which I am trying to expose y'=E1ll to! Where is the mental barrier to this? Where am I making it hard to grasp? I= =20 don't give a hoot if you like it. All I am trying to do is explain=20 something that is coming down the highway. I am done. No more. If anyone=20 wants to correspond privately, go for it, but I don't promise to reply to=20 inane definitions of things that are clear in life otherwise All the best. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:08:32 +0200 Reply-To: "Michael L." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Michael L." Subject: OT: Windows XP and BMW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit ----- Urspr|ngliche Nachricht ----- > (David Eggins ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:26 +1000) >Its as easy as this: > >I Buy a car. A BMW M3 (I wish). I own "A" BMW M3. BMW cannot take >it off me. >I can sell the car at any time. I cannot have a clone made up and sell it. > >Same with software. Yes and no. Software can be copied - a BMW can't. Buying a BMW, you have a good car for the next 10 years (I hope for you, we are drving a Toyota). You have a warranty of three years (I hope). You have good engineers, that will repair a defect car. Buying Windows, you have a good software for six month, then the next update comes. After 2 years, there will be no support. There are no good engineers at all, nobody really knows who to manage this giant of OS as workstation or netware server. Nevertheless, I work with Windows. I don't like Microsoft, but I see no real alternative. Software piracy: The most often stolen software (may be DOS, may be Windows) belongs to the richest man/company. So they should not cry to loud, these pooooor people. Regards Michael ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:58:43 +0200 Reply-To: testori@smartfree.ch Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, The batteries of my HP200LX ware as down. Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? Now (after batteries exchange) goinpost works nice again :-) Pierre ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:19:10 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: German 0180 telephone services MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, for all German list members: There is a list of alternative "normal" numbers for 0180-services available at http://www.tk-anbieter.de/0180 There is even a CSV format list available at http://www.tk-anbieter.de/0180/csv.php which can be imported into Lotus 1-2-3 or converted to GDB format. That way calling banking call centers for example can be made extremely cheaper than using the 0180 number. I have entered the most important ones (for me) into Stefan's great least cost router LXTEL, which then even looks for the cheapest telephone provider. So I don't pay 12 cent per minute for telephone banking (usually 01805), but only 2 or 3 cent! The complete list (abt. 77kB) can be fetched using RoboWeb/LX with: From: ROBOWEB/LX To: www.tk-anbieter.de/0180/search.php?name=3D%#result Subject: 0180-Liste Depth: 1 MaxCount: 1 This is not the CSV list, but HTML, detagged to Text format. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:21:27 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down In-Reply-To: <02062007584300.00750@galerie.escary.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Pierre TESTORI wrote: > The batteries of my HP200LX ware as down. > > Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? > > Now (after batteries exchange) goinpost works nice again :-) This is a good question. I've seen pppd fail at loading the ppp driver when batteries are low too. I didn't connect it with your situation until I saw this post, though. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:28:43 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: Nordic character in Post/LX Subject. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey! What is THIS??? I dont speak Bill Gateian. Re: =3D?WINDOWS-1257?Q?V=3DE5rbyfixet=3D20=3D3F?=3D=09 /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:56:23 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: NO MORE please!!! (was:Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There is only one ownership - that of the program's source, ideas, methods. > The rest are rights or licenses the owner may give to others. You need to > work out your terminology first, sorry. Madison and Jefferson both agreed that no-one could own and idea or a book or a method or anything non-substantial. You can own the paper it's written on. But that's it. They never used the term "intellectual property". That term hadn't been invented yet. But their discussion makes it plain that they thought that was a silly idea. The idea had been invented. Their word isn't law. The Constitution is. But courts, when they interpret the constitution, often consider the intent of the writers. In this case, Madison, with the help of Jefferson, who really had the most influence. So, in my opinion, since Madison and Jefferson have managed to convince me, you don't own the program, the ideas or the methods. What you do have is a temporary monopoly on the right to distribute it. Then came Disney and the Mickey Mouse version of the Constitution, which says you do own it. Who do you believe? Jefferson and Madison, or Mickey Mouse? I suspect if we took a national poll, Mickey would win by a landslide. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:01:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP and BMW Comments: To: "Michael L." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Software piracy: The most often stolen software (may be DOS, may be Windows) belongs to the richest man/company. So they should not cry to loud, these pooooor people. I sure have to disagree with that. A guy with money has the same right to expect honesty from his customers as a guy who's barely getting by. Honesty is it's own reward and dishonesty is it's own punishment. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:43:02 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pierre TESTORI wrote: > Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? Yes, I had the same problem trying to do SMS at about 2.35 V. Presumably the modem card does not get enaugh power and voltage any more then. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:51:43 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > As I said, one copy will sell fine. What if you made more > copies and tried to sell them? Copies were never part of the discussion as I understood it. Actually I think i proved Barry's and my point: if I am allowed to sell it, it is mine to sell. It was you who brought up the instructive comparison to a leased or hired car, wasn't it? Microthief's licences expressly forbid me to sell stuff on, if I remember correctly. Interestingly under German law, one clause that is against the law makes the whole contract void, unless that possibility is expressly solved in the contract as well, which in Microsoft's I don't remember to have seen. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:06:10 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP and BMW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael L." wrote: > Software piracy: The most often stolen software (may be DOS, > may be Windows) belongs to the richest man/company. So they > should not cry to loud, these pooooor people. They shouldn't - you should! Bill Gates is the only one profiting from it. Everybody in my neighbourhood runs a copy of Excel except me (and I am the only one who could really use its higher features - it is a good program but too expensive) and all of those are stolen. If anybody was looking to employ people, he could absolutely find no one capable of using spreadsheets, every applicant can and will only use Excel. Same with work. And as Bill has cleverly made saving files in any other than the proprietary own format, incompatibly changed with every update, difficult for computer semiliterates, that is what you and I get sent. I absolutely must get round to testing a couple of things in court. Tax financed German "Volkshochschule" don't offer courses in spreadsheets, they offer courses in Excel, which is nothing but corruption. The bank doesn't offer a documented online interface, the sell software for windows only. And on top of that the only documentation is on CD in Word format, which is far worse than say in French or Latin. After all you can argue that every educated German should be able to read those (I can't, but hey, I did say "educated"), nobody can be expected to read Word. And I look forward to my first virus. I will sue the bank first thing. They are the ones forcing me to enable Javascript and I do not always remeber to turn it back off at once. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:04 -0400 Reply-To: David Heath Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Heath Subject: Character code for checkmark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C2187F.8E250820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C2187F.8E250820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to use a checkmark in some of my databases, memos, etc. = The checkmark is character 251 in code page 437 (used by DOS = applications). However, there is no checkmark in code page 850 (used by = the built-in applications). Does anyone know how to generate a checkmark for use in the built-in = applications? I know it can be done because it was used in the setup = program for Buddy. However, I am not sure if that it is embedded code = in buddy.exm (Keyboard Translatons/Smartcaps/etc.) or a character code = which I haven't found in the HP documentation. I have searched the HPLX list and haven't found any reference to this = issue. David ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C2187F.8E250820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to use a checkmark in some = of my=20 databases, memos, etc.  The checkmark is character 251 in code page = 437=20 (used by DOS applications).  However, there is no checkmark in code = page=20 850 (used by the built-in applications).
 
Does anyone know how to generate a = checkmark for=20 use in the built-in applications?  I know it=20 can be done because it was used in the setup program for Buddy.  = However, I=20 am not sure if that it is embedded code in buddy.exm (Keyboard=20 Translatons/Smartcaps/etc.) or a character code which I haven't found in = the HP=20 documentation.
 
I have searched the HPLX list and = haven't found any=20 reference to this issue.
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C2187F.8E250820-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:00:12 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Nordic character in Post/LX Subject. In-Reply-To: <200206201828.UAA18415@d1o993.telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:52:46 +1200 (NZT) 04h24m03s ago ... On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:28:43 +0200, Tomas Moberg wrote: > Hey! What is THIS??? > I dont speak Bill Gateian. > > Re: =3D?WINDOWS-1257?Q?V=3DE5rbyfixet=3D20=3D3F?=3D=09 Tomas, I think it is: Re: V=3DE5rbyfixet=3D20=3D3F - the =3D20 is a space and the =3D3F is a question mark so we have Re: V=3DE5rbyfixet ? Now, the =3DE5 is ascii decimal 229 which in Latin 1 is a capital "O" with a tilde over it. Unfortunately I don't know what "Windows-1257" characters are. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:32:08 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: S Carder Subject: Fluff: Duck tape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > DUCT, not duck, as in heating and air conditioning. I have always called it Duck tape. The first time I ever saw it used was for taping a Duck. My grandfather = used to train retriever dogs. The dogs were supposed to swim out and retrieve = ducks that a hunter had shot over a pond or lake. The dead duck falls into the = water and the dog swims out and returns with the duck. These dogs would = compete in "trials" to see which were the best. Live ducks were used for the = trials. Obviously, you don't want the ducks to fly away during the trial. So, = the judges would wrap the duck's wings in Duck Tape. One layer of tape with = the sticky side out, then a second layer with the sticky side in. Thus, the = two layers were stuck to each other, not the duck or the dog. The dog's = owner would stand at the edge of the lake and shot his gun into the air. A = person on an island in the lake would then toss a Duck Taped duck up so it splashed = down into the water. The dog thinks this duck was just shot out of the sky = and swims out to retrieve it. The duck is examined for a lack of puncture = marks in the Duck Tape to see if the dog handled the duck gently enough. I have never seen a duct taped up, only ducks . Besides, the story I heard is that the tape is called Duck Tape because = it works on items they will get wet and the water rolls off the tape like = 'water off a duck's back' Steve Carder PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:32:13 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: S Carder Subject: Re: Habitat of Calamari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Just wondering if anyone still plays with the > Lair of Squid game. My 9 yr old son does. It helps keep him occupied when we have to sit and = wait somewhere. Steve Carder PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:32:18 -0400 Reply-To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: S Carder Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > You only need to register Windows XP on the first > install. Once you do this a small file is created Where is this file? I would like to back it up on my laptop. Steve Carder PGP public key on the server at http://pgp.mit.edu ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:17:21 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Nordic character in Post/LX Subject. In-Reply-To: <20020620225557.2C751D27AF@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:02:34 +1200 (NZT) 02h02m22s ago ... On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:00:12 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > Re: V=3DE5rbyfixet ? > > Now, the =3DE5 is ascii decimal 229 which in Latin 1 is a > capital "O" with a tilde over it. Unfortunately I don't know > what "Windows-1257" characters are. Oh E5 (hex) =3D 229 (decimal) but I think it probably corresponds to ascii 134 - an =E5 or "a" with a "circle" on top. Well that's the way ISO-8859-1 works anyway. So, maybe the answer is: Re: V=E5rbyfixet ? the little a with circle should view OK in both code page 437 and 850. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:17:22 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test In-Reply-To: <3D11FB57.E2B41511@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:12:19 +1200 (NZT) 09h15m08s ago ... On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:11 -0400, Andrew wrote: > I think I'll change to a longer address (make 'em work > harder). My compuserve address is th@csi.com and "th" is the most common pair of letters in English, so as you might guess I get quite a bit of spam. Sometimes the spammers leave all the "To:" addresses in and I see tg,th,ti ... - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:51:29 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: "15" Game is good! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 15 card game recently mentioned in the list is good but difficult. I finally won one after giving up on a couple of games. Anyone else playing 15? Pavel Zampach, thanks for an interesting game! Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:59:38 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrew On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:11 -0400, Andrew = wrote: > As it happens it did bounce so I am inclined to think that they are = just > trying random 4 character addresses (or aspk is using mailwasher). > I think I'll change to a longer address (make 'em work harder). > And it may good to not use a common word as the user part: Dince I am a SUPER team member (and thus messages to super at palmtop.net are forwarded also to me), I get MUCH MUCH spam, which has a huge list of adresses in the to field: super@this, super@that, super@here, super@there..... Probably spammers with such random trial methods try common words more than uncommon combinations of letters (and numbers). GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:17:35 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I have always observed the same with modem cards, but just started to wonder about a similar effect with IR-communication between my HP200 and Nokia 6210 GSM phone. Anybody has same experience? Hans Jacob > Pierre TESTORI wrote: > > Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? > > Yes, I had the same problem trying to do SMS at about 2.35 V. Presumably > the modem card does not get enaugh power and voltage any more then. > > Axel > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:14:17 +0200 Reply-To: "Michael L." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Michael L." Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP and BMW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Hi Barry, this is ok. The idea behind my message was: Microsoft became a big and rich company _not_ because of high quality software, but because a lot of people used illegal software. Later they wanted to use it further, and so they buyed a legal copy of the next release, or their companies did. From this viewpoint, this kind of piracy is more a "promotion advantage". Most of the companies, which protected their really good programs against piracy, are more or less out of the market. ----- Urspr|ngliche Nachricht ----- ("Barry" ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:01:51 -0500) > Software piracy: The most often stolen software (may be DOS, may be Windows) belongs to the richest man/company. So they should not cry to loud, these pooooor people. I sure have to disagree with that. A guy with money has the same right to expect honesty from his customers as a guy who's barely getting by. Honesty is it's own reward and dishonesty is it's own punishment. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:55:45 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: NO MORE please!!! (was:Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620123640.00a7cb60@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its too bad you can't understand a simple well written response to your silly accusations. I'm not surprized though. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:00:23 -0700, you wrote: >At 6/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >But if you make copies and sell them I will show up with goons! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:28:58 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: FLUFF random spam test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:15:02 +1200 (NZT) 06h15m24s ago ... On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:59:38 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I get MUCH MUCH spam, which has a huge list of adresses > in the to field: super@this, super@that, super@here, > super@there..... Hehe although I know it's not fuuny - I just got a spam with this: To: th@onet.pl CC: th@paradise.net.nz,th@physik.tu-berlin.de, th@privat.cc,th@quickresponse.nl - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:00:41 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: Re: Nordic character in Post/LX Subject. Comments: To: Tony Hutchins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tony! I checked a lot ot test messages I had been sending and arriving with "unreadable" characters: The E5 is indeed the A with a circle, E4 an A with two dots over it and F6 an O with the two dots. In the transferinfo 8859-1 stated. So your translation to V=C5RBYFIXET should be OK, whatever that is. V=E5rby is a community south of Stockholm. Writing this spending Midsummerin the Archipelago outside Stockholm on an island without electricity laid on but the GSM service is Working. Hans Jacob > Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:02:34 +1200 (NZT) > > 02h02m22s ago ... > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:00:12 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > > > Re: V=3DE5rbyfixet ? > > > > Now, the =3DE5 is ascii decimal 229 which in Latin 1 is a > > capital "O" with a tilde over it. Unfortunately I don't know > > what "Windows-1257" characters are. > > Oh E5 (hex) =3D 229 (decimal) but I think it probably > corresponds to ascii 134 - an =E5 or "a" with a "circle" on top. > Well that's the way ISO-8859-1 works anyway. So, maybe the > answer is: > > Re: V=E5rbyfixet ? > > the little a with circle should view OK in both code page 437 > and 850. > > - Tony > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:17:59 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Nordic character in Post/LX Subject. In-Reply-To: <20020621130037.NDAM28026.fep04-svc.swip.net@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:10:51 +1200 (NZT) 10m10s ago ... On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:00:41 +0200, Hans Jacob Waern wrote: > Hello Tony! > > I checked a lot ot test messages I had been > sending and arriving with "unreadable" characters: > The E5 is indeed the A with a circle Thanks Hans Jacob! It's just the same as iso-8859-1 then. > V=E5rby is a community south of Stockholm. Ahha - I was wondering what it might mean. > Writing this spending Midsummerin the Archipelago > outside Stockholm on an island without electricity > laid on but the GSM service is Working. Greetings at midwinter in NZ :) Actually it is now 1:13 am my time and, according to CLOCKS (version 9.3r is now uploaded) that is 3.13pm on Friday for you, and for us all it is the *moment* of the solstice. Happy holidays :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:40:01 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: antivirus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello there, I am looking for some AV for LX. Neither tbav, nor mcafee and f-prot support less than 386. I've found here in list about russian drweb, but it says not enough memory while loading virus database [I tried 'pure' OS without drivers and enable EMS], it does not exit, though [??]. What AV are you using? -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:42:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 > Microthief's licences expressly forbid me to sell stuff on, if I > remember correctly. Interestingly under German law, one clause that is > against the law makes the whole contract void, unless that possibility > is expressly solved in the contract as well, which in Microsoft's I > don't remember to have seen. In the USA what kills the licenses that you have to tear to get at the disk is that there's no opportunity for negotiation and that is a requirement of a valid contract. That's been in court over and over and it didn't save the day every time but about 95% of the time that's what was decided. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:46:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Fluff: Duck tape Comments: To: steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Carder" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Fluff: Duck tape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DUCT, not duck, as in heating and air conditioning. I have always called it Duck tape. The first time I ever saw it used was for taping a Duck. My grandfather used to train retriever dogs. The dogs were supposed to swim out and retrieve ducks that a hunter had shot over a pond or lake. The dead duck falls into the water and the dog swims out and returns with the duck. These dogs would compete in "trials" to see which were the best. Live ducks were used for the trials. Obviously, you don't want the ducks to fly away during the trial. So, the judges would wrap the duck's wings in Duck Tape. One layer of tape with the sticky side out, then a second layer with the sticky side in. Thus, the two layers were stuck to each other, not the duck or the dog. The dog's owner would stand at the edge of the lake and shot his gun into the air. A person on an island in the lake would then toss a Duck Taped duck up so it splashed down into the water. The dog thinks this duck was just shot out of the sky and swims out to retrieve it. The duck is examined for a lack of puncture marks in the Duck Tape to see if the dog handled the duck gently enough. I have never seen a duct taped up, only ducks . Besides, the story I heard is that the tape is called Duck Tape because it works on items they will get wet and the water rolls off the tape like 'water off a duck's back' <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< It really is duct tape but who cares! It's become so universal it's nearly every kind of tape. I don't think you'd be wrong calling it garden hose tape. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:50:18 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: antivirus? Comments: To: Dzon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dzon" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: antivirus? > Hello there, > I am looking for some AV for LX. Neither tbav, nor mcafee and f-prot > support less than 386. I've found here in list about russian drweb, but it > says not enough memory while loading virus database [I tried 'pure' OS > without drivers and enable EMS], it does not exit, though [??]. > What AV are you using? Do you really think there's a serious chance of getting a virus on the LX? How? What virus? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:55:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Steve, >> You only need to register Windows XP on the first >> install. Once you do this a small file is created >Where is this file? I would like to back it up on >my laptop. The file you need to look for is: wpa.dbl It is located in your c:\windows\system32 folder.(Or substitute c: for the correct letter of your drive). It is a very small file, only 7 or 8 KB. Copy this file to a disk and then if you ever re-install windows copy it back to the C:\windows\sytem32 folder. Cheers, Inigo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:12:45 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: antivirus? Comments: To: Dzon In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't use an AV since DOS is in rom and untouchable and I backup my data frequently enough that if a dos virus (are there any?) got on and erased it I wouldn't loose anything. I occaisionally run my flash card through a virus checker on my laptop to make sure there isn't a virus on that. I use Norton AV on my laptop.=20 On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:40:01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello there, >I am looking for some AV for LX. Neither tbav, nor mcafee and f-prot >support less than 386. I've found here in list about russian drweb, but = it >says not enough memory while loading virus database [I tried 'pure' OS >without drivers and enable EMS], it does not exit, though [??]. >What AV are you using? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:39:35 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wrote: > My batch file to launch XTG is: > > @echo off > c: > c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 > @c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1 > c:\bin\maxdos.com -r > cd \ > > Thus applications, which require lots of memory, like WordPerfect, can be > OPENED using maxdos; e.g. W51.BAT the following lines are just shit in the context with maxdos and the previous setup: > @echo off > c: > c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 > c:\bin\bigcurs.com > c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 > c:\bin\normcurs.com > c:\bin\maxdos.com -r > cd \ I unintentional copied the wrong batch file. The correct version of w51.bat is: @echo off c: c:\bin\bigcurs.com c:\bin\maxdos.com c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 c:\bin\normcurs.com cd \ I am sorry for this. Kind regards Helmuth ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:11:24 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <02ad01c21929$88131260$a50d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:42:14 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Axel Berger" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:51 PM >Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 > > >> Microthief's licences expressly forbid me to sell stuff on, if >I >> remember correctly. Interestingly under German law, one clause >that is >> against the law makes the whole contract void, unless that >possibility >> is expressly solved in the contract as well, which in >Microsoft's I >> don't remember to have seen. > >In the USA what kills the licenses that you have to tear to get >at the disk is that there's no opportunity for negotiation and >that is a requirement of a valid contract. > >That's been in court over and over and it didn't save the day >every time but about 95% of the time that's what was decided. What's annoying is its really hard to return software once the package is opened. If it doesn't do what it claims or work a person is pretty much SOL. Since I use every avenue to try before I buy a lot of times they loose a sale because I try a full version and don't bother to buy a proper license. Sometimes they loose out on hundreds of dollars. This wouldn't happen if I could simply return the junk software just like a person can return junk electronics or books. I would simply go out and buy a copy if I needed to try it. If I liked it I would keep it. Some companies are finally getting better about this though like Traveling Software. I just bought PCsync and it had a 30 day money back guarentee. It did what it claimed and worked properly so I kept it. > >Barry > John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:12:07 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > This wouldn't happen if I could simply return the junk software > just like a person can return junk electronics or books. I would > simply go out and buy a copy if I needed to try it. If I liked it > I would keep it. Are you sure? If the TV is broken or the book contains blank or smudged pages that is onme thing, but in case you dislike the setup menu or the writer's style and take it back because of that, then i for one would prefer not to do busyness with you. BTW among honest and reasonable people it is quite all right to copy a program and try it at your leisure, IF after a reasonably short time you WILL decide to either delete or purchase it. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:20:03 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Flashcards In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619131519.043a37d0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >And what about compactflash + adaptor? >=20 > all are fine >=20 >=20 I heard that 'Mr. flash' branded cards don't work. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:46:12 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D134247.F0E4F23E@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:12:07 +0200, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >> This wouldn't happen if I could simply return the junk software >> just like a person can return junk electronics or books. I would >> simply go out and buy a copy if I needed to try it. If I liked it >> I would keep it. > >Are you sure? If the TV is broken or the book contains blank or smudged >pages that is onme thing, but in case you dislike the setup menu or the >writer's style and take it back because of that, then i for one would >prefer not to do busyness with you. If the menu is junk of course it is going to be returned just like if the menu is junk on my TV it will be returned. Customer service will know the exact reason it is being returned too. I am NOT satisfied and that is what matters. It is the only way changes are made. It only matters when it hits the bottom line. Personly I don't care if you ever do business with me if you take nutso attiudes towards customer satisfaction. Programmers have had it extremely easy- they program and nobody had better DARE complain, eh? Bulloney- they are doing nothing but providing a product just like anybody else. They haven't been (but should be) under the same requirements to satisfy people with their products just like Sony has to saqtisfy people with their CD players. >BTW among honest and reasonable people it is quite all right to copy a >program and try it at your leisure, IF after a reasonably short time you >WILL decide to either delete or purchase it. Yeah, in a perfect world that is how it would be.=20 > >Axel John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:22:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Flashcards Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:20:03 -0400, you wrote: >> >And what about compactflash + adaptor? >>=20 >> all are fine >>=20 >>=20 > >I heard that 'Mr. flash' branded cards don't work. Aren't those 3.3 volt cards? The HPLX has a 5/12 volt slot. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:29:09 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Could be that this is about the time when the modem has been up for a few seconds and it begins to transmit longer sequences, thus taking more power to do it? This could be a good correlation if true. -avi At 6/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Pierre TESTORI wrote: > > > Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? > >This is a good question. I've seen pppd fail at loading the ppp >driver when batteries are low too. I didn't connect it with your >situation until I saw this post, though. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep it up guys. The 200LX is not just about the hardware and the software but other things like software licensing. Its nice to see such knowledgeable people discussing a subject that touches everyone that purchases software. While a lot of LX owners may feel its not very important since all they use is freeware, those of us who don't (at least me:)) feel it applies. Certainly I feel I understand the subject a little better of a piece of paper I never signed. Actually it nice that my off-topic post was brought on-topic. Next you should discuss liability. Who's responsible if a piece of commerical software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. (and yes it has happened on my 200LX) I say- whoever wrote the junk despite what disclaimers say!!! MS would hate that!! Think if they were held responsible for monetary losses too. Of course it would be tough to prove. Which went first- the hardware or the software? Of course if no one is interested we can all go back to posting about which flash cards work on the LX. Hmmm...ALL 5 volt cards? How many times has that question been asked? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:27:46 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > Personly I don't care if you ever do business with me if > you take nutso attiudes towards customer satisfaction. First I thought I might have misunderstood you somehow, but it seems you are serious. When you buy a car and once you have driven it out of the showroom that's it - unless of course something is wrong according to the manufacturer's specification.(*) If next day you decide you'd have liked another make better after all, that's your problem. Anything else costs money and that is money other customers, i.e. me, will have to put up in the end. You remind me very much of the old ladies, who squeeze all the pears in the shop and put them back. I always tell them politely but unmistakeably how much I enjoy the chance to buy pre-squeezed fruit at no extra effort for myself. Axel (*) an example is software sold as Windows compatible. Windows allows me to define the format of date, time and numbers exactly the way I like to use them and all Windows compliant software adapts to my settings. (This is actually one thing Gates has nearly got right - he forgot to enable me to import data from people who set their machine differently without reconfiguring my whole machine.) If a program complains about me not using the "right" formats or ignores my settings and exports .CSV formatted to their standard they have sold me faulty goods. (Banking software of course. They were the ones that made me buy this Mickey Mouse system in the first place and then they do not even conform to their own self chosen standard!) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:26 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Comments: To: TESTORI In-Reply-To: <02061908010800.00372@galerie.escary.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is not a problem with goin' postal. That is a problem with the PPP driver epppd.exe. It is telling you you don't have enough memory. John On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:01:08 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >At the beginning goinpost worked well (very well), then I've fully = reseted >(for test) my HP200LX and reinstalled programms (no back-up). > >Now I get following message error from Goinpost (gp.bat) : > >"ppplink is down, driver not installed" > >With other PCs is this connection OK. > >What I have wrong, soft or hardware ? > >What I have to do ? > >Thanks, > >Pierre TESTORI > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:52:14 +0200 Reply-To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: HPLX users database Comments: cc: bob@palmtop.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I have just sent out download info on the new HPLX users database to about 300 people, most of them on this list. I got many bounces back immediately, I expect more to come later, but I'll list here the addresses which failed so far. If your (old) address is isted here, please contact bob@palmtop.com and provide a new address, otherwise we will delete at least your email address from the DB, maybe your entire entry. This means you will never get HPLXUSB updates anymore. Please read the list carefully - the more addresses we can fix early, the less trouble does that mean to all of us. Paal Raasmussen - ah.telia.no is no valid domain Lalit Bassi - home.com is dead dmcdonough13@Home.com - home.com is dead Bert Hoff - home.com is dead Peniel Romanelli - your domain wb2000.net isn't valid me.deekers@altavista.net - user unknown efflept@irfl.8m.com - receipient address rejected: relay access denied alaskan@v-wave.com - mail to that receipient is not accepted in this = system gary-jacek@shaw.ca - unknown or illegal alias rzhanfg__00@yahoo.com - user unknown ynagasaw@ic.sunysb.edu - user unknown itojun@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp - server does not like receipient ssoper@probolinggo.wasantra.net - user unknown alfonsoamorim@hotmail.com - server does not like receipient bmbhs@eresmas.com - user unknown jeffj@scott.net - user unknown nq7x@att.net - invalid receipient neill@keyway.net - user unknown tchun@ucla.edu - user unknown holiga@rocketmail.com - account disabled j.buell@accurite.com - user unknown jwittkamper@v-one.com - user unknown sjo@lvld.hp.com - user unknown rwc@fc.hp.com - user unknown Ed Padin: check your quota on yahoo!! :-) Barry: As usual I cannot send an email to your FBTC address. Could you provide another adddress? "Sender was rejected" ted_weeks@prodigy.net - addressee unknown hocking@tir.com - user unknown jhefland@starpower.net - user unknown rprokic@mindspring.com - user unknown emkeefe@msn.com - mailbox disabled burkec@1stconnect.com - mailbox cannot receive mail alban@mycroft.u-net.com - user unknown Peter Eberl: strange exchange server message - could not be delivered... pleae provide new address. -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:18:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops...not only that but it also does it if the driver is stuck in memory, if it isn't in the path, and a couple other reasons. So if you just reset, check your dos memory and make sure it is in the path. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:26 -0500, you wrote: >That is not a problem with goin' postal. That is a problem with the >PPP driver epppd.exe. It is telling you you don't have enough memory. > >John > >On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:01:08 +0200, you wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>At the beginning goinpost worked well (very well), then I've fully = reseted >>(for test) my HP200LX and reinstalled programms (no back-up). >> >>Now I get following message error from Goinpost (gp.bat) : >> >>"ppplink is down, driver not installed" >> >>With other PCs is this connection OK. >> >>What I have wrong, soft or hardware ? >> >>What I have to do ? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Pierre TESTORI >> >> >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:16:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's annoying is its really hard to return software once the package is opened. If it doesn't do what it claims or work a person is pretty much SOL. Since I use every avenue to try before I buy a lot of times they loose a sale because I try a full version and don't bother to buy a proper license. Sometimes they loose out on hundreds of dollars. This wouldn't happen if I could simply return the junk software just like a person can return junk electronics or books. I would simply go out and buy a copy if I needed to try it. If I liked it I would keep it. Some companies are finally getting better about this though like Traveling Software. I just bought PCsync and it had a 30 day money back guarentee. It did what it claimed and worked properly so I kept it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I don't get it. How do they lose hundred of dollars? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:31:21 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Part 1 Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Programmers have had it extremely easy- they program and nobody had better DARE complain, eh? Bulloney- they are doing nothing but providing a product just like anybody else. They haven't been (but should be) under the same requirements to satisfy people with their products just like Sony has to saqtisfy people with their CD players. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the world are you talking about? A) Most software is written by programmers who write what the software designers tell them to write. And most software designers design what the marketers tell them to design. And most marketers want designers to design programs like the ones you've been willing to pay for in the past. So if you don't vote, don't complain. B) Programmers who do write and sell their own programs (most of these are shareware) don't get paid if you don't like their program. If you're not reasonably honest, they don't even get paid if you do like their program. C) Most independant programmers who sell their own software and have any success at all at it are producing a far superior product than Sony with their CD players that last a year or two and then go to never-never land. D) Speaking as a long time programmer who knew a LOT of other programmers (and still does) I never encountered a programmer who would dare express an attitude that nobody had better dare complain. Being human I'm sure there are programmers who actually do feel that way. But I suspect they're rare and smart enough to pretend not to be that way. I agree with your "try it before you buy" idea. I do the same thing. If I'm thinking of buying a program I'll try to get a free copy and try it out first. Then, if it does what I want it to do and I'm happy with it, I buy it. Or else I delete it since if it's not good enough to buy, it's not good enough to use. I did that with most of the programs I own that I couldn't spend a little time with legitimately before I bought them. I either got demos or private copies or downloaded shareware and tried them out. But if the publisher wanted money (and publishers usually do if it's not freeware) and I wanted the program, I paid for it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:33:39 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's responsible if a piece of commerical software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:26:20 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: FLUFF New member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15212280==_.ALT" --=====================_15212280==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi everybody: I am a new member of this list. I am attorney at law from Lima, Peru (South America). I have been using my HP 200LX for seven years. I think this is a real jewel. I use it all the time. This is my brain. All my job is in this small machine. Thanks to TYPER from Takeo Katon, I have learned to type in my HP as fast as my desktop computer (I mean, with ten fingers and blind keyboard) and I am looking forward to reading all of your important comments about topics of HP 200LX. Regards Jaime Zea --=====================_15212280==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi everybody:

I  am a new member of this list.  I am attorney at law from Lima, Peru (South America).

I have been using my HP 200LX for seven years.  I think this is a real jewel.  I use it all the time.  This is my brain.
All my job is in this small machine.

Thanks to TYPER from Takeo Katon, I have learned to type in my HP as fast as my desktop computer (I mean, with ten fingers and blind keyboard) and I am looking forward to reading all of your important comments about topics of HP 200LX.

Regards

Jaime Zea --=====================_15212280==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:11:33 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: Flashcards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15212394==_.ALT" --=====================_15212394==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:20 a.m. 21/06/2002 -0400, Eduardo wrote: > > >And what about compactflash + adaptor? > > > > all are fine > > > > > >I heard that 'Mr. flash' branded cards don't work. Hi, I use SanDisk CompactFlash 128 Mb with PC Card Adapter. My HP 200LX links to my desktop through USB port. It works like a big drive. I haven't any problem. --=====================_15212394==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:20 a.m. 21/06/2002 -0400, Eduardo wrote:
> >And what about compactflash + adaptor?
>
> all are fine
>
>

I heard that 'Mr. flash' branded  cards don't work.

Hi,
I use SanDisk CompactFlash 128 Mb with PC Card Adapter.  My HP 200LX links to my desktop through USB port.  It works like a big drive.  I haven't any problem.

 --=====================_15212394==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:37:21 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: Helmut's batch file In-Reply-To: <012b01c2180b$0365b820$e15a933e@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15212369==_.ALT" --=====================_15212369==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:16 a.m. 20/06/2002 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: >Helmut's batch file to launch XTG is: > >@echo off >c: >c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35 >@c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1 >c:\bin\maxdos.com -r >cd \ > -insert end- >i load maxdos.com as tsr .. then launch Xtgold with xtg/zs I load Xtgold with xtg/zs too. >Q1: what are e35? and /L1? > >c:\bin\bigcurs.com >c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1 >c:\bin\normcurs.com I use wordperfect for everything. >Q2: is bigcurs too "big" for other applications? > > >thank you very much again for your XTG tips and tricks! > >and thank you for the batch file; i am learning about them right now and >finished my 9.zip domesticating stray text :) anyone wants it? I would like to get it. Thanks in advance, Jaime Zea --=====================_15212369==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:16 a.m. 20/06/2002 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:


Helmut's batch file to launch XTG is:

@echo off
c:
c:\bin\maxdos.com -l e35
@c:\xtgold\xtgold /L1
c:\bin\maxdos.com -r
cd \
 -insert end-
i load maxdos.com as tsr .. then launch Xtgold with xtg/zs

I load Xtgold with xtg/zs too.

Q1: what are e35? and /L1?

c:\bin\bigcurs.com
c:\wp\wp.exe /r /d-c:\wp-tmp %1
c:\bin\normcurs.com

I use wordperfect for everything.


Q2: is bigcurs too "big" for other applications?

 >thank you very much again for your XTG tips and tricks!

and thank you for the batch file; i am learning about them right now and
finished my 9.zip domesticating stray text :) anyone wants it?
I would like to get it.

Thanks in advance,

Jaime Zea --=====================_15212369==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:35:37 EDT Reply-To: Colonnar@CS.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Colonna Subject: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89_boundary" --part1_14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/18 Richard Smith wrote, in part: ............ I have already spoken with Accurite and with Mack Baggette of Time2Tech. Accurite says that they don't intend to support doublespeed upgraded palmtops. Mack has no solutions. I sure wish someone would write a patch for it like someone did for the Doubleslot driver. Otherwise, my only alternative might be to have my palmtop speed downgraded to factory original. Does anyone else have any other ideas or possibilities? Thanks. ************************************** Well, at least from your efforts I discovered what my problem is with the Travel Floppy is: The Doublespeed upgrade. Thanks. The Accurite tech returned my call when I was unable to discuss my problem, and I never got back to my inquiry. My inelegant solution will be to take my non-doublespeed 200LX for use in tranferring floppies to the PC Card and then the Card to my doublespeed, although a more practical solution might be for me to purchase a PC Card drive for my desktop (I know this negates the investment in the Travel Floppy, but unless somebody has a solution for use of it with doublespeed......). Later, Ron Colonna --part1_14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 6/18 Richard Smith wrote, in part:
            &nb p;              nbsp;            &nb p;                                      ............
      I have already spoken with Accurite and with Mack Baggette of
      Time2Tech.  Accurite says that they don't intend to support
      doublespeed upgraded palmtops.  Mack has no solutions.  I sure
      wish someone would write a patch for it like someone did for the
      Doubleslot driver. Otherwise, my only alternative might be to
      have my palmtop speed downgraded to factory original.

      Does anyone else have any other ideas or possibilities? Thanks.

**************************************

Well, at least from your efforts I discovered what my problem is with the Travel
Floppy is: The Doublespeed upgrade.  Thanks.  The Accurite tech returned my call when I was unable to discuss my problem, and I never got back to my inquiry.
My inelegant solution will be to take my non-doublespeed 200LX for use in tranferring floppies to the PC Card and then the Card to my doublespeed, although a more practical solution might be for me to purchase a PC Card drive for my desktop (I know this negates the investment in the Travel Floppy, but unless somebody has a solution for use of it with doublespeed......).

Later,
Ron Colonna --part1_14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:37:13 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020621190641.009f6300@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jaime Zea wrote: > Hi everybody: > > I am a new member of this list. I am attorney at law from Lima, > Peru (South America). > > I have been using my HP 200LX for seven years. I think this is a > real jewel. I use it all the time. This is my brain. All my job is > in this small machine. Welcome aboard, Jaime. I think you'll feel right at home here. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:46:46 -0700 Reply-To: bobv Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: bobv Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone gotten the travel floppy to work with a Win2000 machine? TIA Bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:35:51 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Leo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I promised Leo to forward this to the list: --- begin of forwarded message --- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Leo Bellantoni To: Subject: Re: New HPLX users database Hi Daniel, =09Good to hear from you, hope you are doing well. I am a new dad! (Ho boy, hooooo boy.) Say hi to the HPLX list for me. =09=09=09=09=09 Leo --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Leo Bellantoni MS 231, FermiLab Batavia, IL 60510 Pager:(630)266= -3803 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- --- end of forwarded message --- -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:44:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Comments: To: testori@smartfree.ch In-Reply-To: <02062007584300.00750@galerie.escary.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could be. Its never happed to me. I commonly run my batteries very low and never have problems with any program. What kind of batteries are you using? I use NiMH and they provide power even at a low voltage. I've run the modem when te batteries were at 2.2 volts which is very low. The voltage dropped down to 2.15 when the modem started but epppd worked fine. I've run the batteries so low the LX would shutdown without a problem. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:58:43 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >The batteries of my HP200LX ware as down. > >Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? > >Now (after batteries exchange) goinpost works nice again :-) > >Pierre > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:50:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: To: Colonnar@CS.COM In-Reply-To: <14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried it without any other drivers including the doublespeed driver? Maybe you have something else conficting. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:35:37 EDT, you wrote: > >On 6/18 Richard Smith wrote, in part: > > ............ > I have already spoken with Accurite and with Mack Baggette of > Time2Tech. Accurite says that they don't intend to support > doublespeed upgraded palmtops. Mack has no solutions. I sure > wish someone would write a patch for it like someone did for the > Doubleslot driver. Otherwise, my only alternative might be to > have my palmtop speed downgraded to factory original. > > Does anyone else have any other ideas or possibilities? Thanks. > >************************************** > >Well, at least from your efforts I discovered what my problem is with = the >Travel >Floppy is: The Doublespeed upgrade. Thanks. The Accurite tech returned= my >call when I was unable to discuss my problem, and I never got back to my >inquiry. >My inelegant solution will be to take my non-doublespeed 200LX for use = in >tranferring floppies to the PC Card and then the Card to my doublespeed, >although a more practical solution might be for me to purchase a PC Card >drive for my desktop (I know this negates the investment in the Travel >Floppy, but unless somebody has a solution for use of it with >doublespeed......). > >Later, >Ron Colonna ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:53:24 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: FLUFF New member Comments: To: Jaime Zea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jaime Zea wrote: > I am a new member of this list. I am attorney at law from Lima, Peru Welcome Jaime! > I have been using my HP 200LX for seven years. I think this is a real > jewel. I use it all the time. This is my brain. > All my job is in this small machine. Since it appears you use and rely on your LX a lot I have 2 questions for you... 1. How often do you backup your data, what do you backup and how do you backup? 2. How many LXs do you have? Actually the answers to my questions aren't too important TO ME but they should be important TO YOU. While the LX is a sturdy and rugged machine it isn't uncrashable or unbreakable. Anyone on this list for a while will see the occasional post from someone trying to recover from some sort of problem. Plan ahead for the inevitable recovery. > Thanks to TYPER from Takeo Katon, I have learned to type in my HP as fast I've played TYPER as a game but not long enough to be considered fast. I can recommend it though, to anyone that wants fun typing practice on the LX keyboard. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:17:10 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <004a01c21984$8835cd40$f50d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:33:39 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:48 PM >Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Who's responsible if a piece of commerical >software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. Why? Why should any system be dependant on backups? Just another piece of equipment to break down. What is to prevent the backup system from failing? Why should any user have to be responsible or know how to protect their systems? All they It should work out-of-the-box with no failures- just like a refridgerator or any other appliance.=20 > >Barry John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:25:10 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you accept already that so many pieces of everything around you can and will fail, why do you have a problems with program that fail? At 6/22/02 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:33:39 -0500, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Musielewicz" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:48 PM > >Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Who's responsible if a piece of commerical > >software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > >The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. > >Why? Why should any system be dependant on backups? Just another piece >of equipment to break down. What is to prevent the backup system from >failing? Why should any user have to be responsible or know how to >protect their systems? All they It should work out-of-the-box with no >failures- just like a refridgerator or any other appliance. > > > > >Barry > >John > > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:26:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:48:40 -0500, John Musielewicz = wrote: > discuss liability. Who's responsible if a piece of commerical > software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. (and > yes it has happened on my 200LX) I say- whoever wrote the junk despite > what disclaimers say!!! Please not! Well, I'm not a good programer, I write some utilities mainly for my own use. But if I knew I was rersponsible if any of these utilities would accidentally erase your data (which can happen, I cannot guarantee that there is no bug in my utility which has such a side effect under certain circumstances), I would never consider to release the utilities to the public. It would be a too big risk for me. Then everyone had to write his own utilities, which could work, but which would lead to a huge waste of time. I am very glad I have the chance to use Stefan's Assembler-written utilities for example. If I hadn't, I would maybe try to write a subset of LXPro on my own. I would need weeks, if not months, to get into Assembler programming and write such a sophisticated program. However, it is different of course if I pay a lot of money for a program. Then I expect some guarantees from the makers. I don't speak about small registration fees. but I speak about big amounts of $$. If for example Windows would erase my Linux partition (this HAS happened!) I would now - you brought me to that idea - seriously consider making MS responsible for the data loss. Fortunately I had a quite recent backup. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:31:09 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: To Barry: Fwd: failure notice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry, since I cannot reach you via private mail (no matter which From address I use or which SMTP server), I send you here the failure notice I get whenever I try to send you an email. Sorry, others, for taking up your bandwidth. --- begin of forwarded message --- Date: 22 Jun 2002 12:36:55 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@mail.gmx.net To: daniel.hertrich@gmx.de Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.gmx.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresse= s. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected_to_207.70.175.10_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_553_= syntax_error,_please_forward_to_your_postmaster_(#5.7.1)/ : 64.157.4.85_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_554_deliver= y_error:_dd_This_user_doesn't_have_a_yahoo.com_account_(barrem@yahoo.com)_= -_mta537.mail.yahoo.com/ --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6260 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jun 2002 12:36:53 -0000 Received: from pd9e7c3ba.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO gmx.de) (217.231.195.18= 6) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 12:36:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:36:00 +0200 From: Daniel Hertrich To: "Barry" Subject: Re: HPLX users database Cc: barrem@yahoo.com X-Mailer: POST/LX 3.1a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:52:33 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Then everyone had to write his own utilities, which could work, but > which would lead to a huge waste of time. Actually for me it is more than just free utilities. My most important central commercial program is my database - it is the main reason why I still use the Atari emulator every day. Even though I can use its most powerful features only inside the Atari, making me stick to an emulated editor and fax software too, unfortunately banking is no longer possible, that database has quite a few bugs, which I don't mind too much, for in spite of the extra hassle it is still way better than anything remotely close. The same used to hold for my twerminal, but emulation of the serial interface is too buggy. I can't and don't insist on perfection, I just want the best i can get and once I have something better than everybody else around me I'm reasonably content. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:11:50 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622122415.05c24ec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its not that I see computers as any more liable to fail as any other product consisting of electronic components (although they do much more than other appliances) I see the entire industry moving away from reliablity (it they were ever moving towards it!!). It seems manufacturers would much rather produce products that show pretty graphics than build better more durable, reliable components. Does anyone expect their computer to last more than a year or two? I don't. And its not because it won't be able to run the latest software it is because some component in the hardware will fail. And a lot of times I suspect its caused by the programming. As a person who doesn't upgrade to the latest and greatest every year- I wouldn't mind being able to buy a computer and still be using it 20 or 30 years down the road. Hmmm...I'm lucky to get 3 years out of one. Anyway backups seem like a quick fix solution instituted to solve a problem that has been around WAY too long. Easy to do but not as reliable as I'd like. Just the prevalance of use of the flat cable is one example. The flat cable is about the cheapest most unreliable form of cabling there is. It breaks constantly. It tears. You can't solder on it very well. Plus its proprietary- which is its most annoying feature. Yet it is used in our own LX as the display cable. So basically your will only last as long as that cable and it availibilty. Couldn't the engineers have used a better one such as a stranded cabling? Even individual wires would have been a better solution because they are user replaceable. But that doesn't fit the computer industry throw away- get rid of it after a year keep it proprietarty so the user has to upgrade mentality. =20 John On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:25:10 -0700, you wrote: >If you accept already that so many pieces of everything around you can = and >will fail, why do you have a problems with program that fail? > >At 6/22/02 -0500, you wrote: >>On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:33:39 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "John Musielewicz" >> >To: >> >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:48 PM >> >Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Who's responsible if a piece of commerical >> >software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. >> ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> > >> >The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. >> >>Why? Why should any system be dependant on backups? Just another piece >>of equipment to break down. What is to prevent the backup system from >>failing? Why should any user have to be responsible or know how to >>protect their systems? All they It should work out-of-the-box with no >>failures- just like a refridgerator or any other appliance. >> >> > >> >Barry >> >>John >> >> > >> >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >> >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:58:57 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:26:46 +0200, you wrote: >Hi John > >On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:48:40 -0500, John Musielewicz = wrote: > >> discuss liability. Who's responsible if a piece of commerical >> software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. (and >> yes it has happened on my 200LX) I say- whoever wrote the junk despite >> what disclaimers say!!! > >Please not! >Well, I'm not a good programer, I write some utilities mainly for my >own use. But if I knew I was rersponsible if any of these utilities >would accidentally erase your data (which can happen, I cannot >guarantee that there is no bug in my utility which has such a side >effect under certain circumstances), I would never consider to release >the utilities to the public. It would be a too big risk for me. But this is freeware. I think a person needs to realize that freeware is not always written by experienced programmers and might have bugs. A person really shouldn't even expect support- let alone that it'll work right since it has NO guarentee that it'll do anything- let alone what it claims. Of course, if the author says its a word processor then you DO at least expect to type in it. There is the issue that without cautionary statements in the docs, if it has docs, there might be some liability since the programmer is making claims about his program- so if it crashed the hard drive, shorted the memory and maybe wrecked the sound card a person might have a claim but in the end it wasn't purchased and I think that makes a big differance. There is simply no written, implied, or advertised guarentee it'll do anything except wreck your computer (of course one hopes it doesn't). > >Then everyone had to write his own utilities, which could work, but >which would lead to a huge waste of time. True. > >I am very glad I have the chance to use Stefan's Assembler-written >utilities for example. If I hadn't, I would maybe try to write a subset >of LXPro on my own. I would need weeks, if not months, to get into >Assembler programming and write such a sophisticated program. Stefan is a very good programmer. Its nice that the LX is supported by professionals like him. > >However, it is different of course if I pay a lot of money for a >program. Then I expect some guarantees from the makers. I don't speak >about small registration fees. but I speak about big amounts of $$. If >for example Windows would erase my Linux partition (this HAS happened!) >I would now - you brought me to that idea - seriously consider making >MS responsible for the data loss. Fortunately I had a quite recent >backup. See this is what I'm talking about. A deliberate attempt by MS to wreck your computer. I think you should make them liable for it. It is not up to anyone but you what is on your computer, how you use it, and what you use it for. MS makes very big assumptions and plays on peoples ignorance. And you can't even show your displeasure by returning the windows package to the store and get your money back!! What can anyone do except sue to make changes. I think something that was orginally intended to protect companies against software piracy has been very corrupted and taken advantage of. Any other product you could at least return- showing displearue if only in asmall way. A book I can return even though I could make a copy in a copying machine. An album I can return even though I can make a tape of it. Neither do any damage to anything. But if windows wipes out you hard drive and you loose data you can't- because the package is opened and they have this little thing they call a disclaimer. It makes no sense. > >GTX >daniel John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:05:50 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I tried hard to read the single giant paragraph, but I must be stupid! I could not make heads or tails of what you were saying. Maybe it is the weather in Minnesota this weekend - 90 F and extremely high humidity. At 6/22/02 -0500, John M. wrote: >Its not that I see computers as any more liable to fail as any other >product consisting of electronic components (although they do much >more than other appliances) I see the entire industry moving away from >reliablity (it they were ever moving towards it!!). It seems >manufacturers would much rather produce products that show pretty >graphics than build better more durable, reliable components. Does >anyone expect their computer to last more than a year or two? I don't. >And its not because it won't be able to run the latest software it is >because some component in the hardware will fail. And a lot of times I >suspect its caused by the programming. As a person who doesn't upgrade >to the latest and greatest every year- I wouldn't mind being able to >buy a computer and still be using it 20 or 30 years down the road. >Hmmm...I'm lucky to get 3 years out of one. Anyway backups seem like a >quick fix solution instituted to solve a problem that has been around >WAY too long. Easy to do but not as reliable as I'd like. Just the >prevalance of use of the flat cable is one example. The flat cable is >about the cheapest most unreliable form of cabling there is. It breaks >constantly. It tears. You can't solder on it very well. Plus its >proprietary- which is its most annoying feature. Yet it is used in our >own LX as the display cable. So basically your will only last as long >as that cable and it availibilty. Couldn't the engineers have used a >better one such as a stranded cabling? Even individual wires would >have been a better solution because they are user replaceable. But >that doesn't fit the computer industry throw away- get rid of it after >a year keep it proprietarty so the user has to upgrade mentality. > >John > >On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:25:10 -0700, you wrote: > > >If you accept already that so many pieces of everything around you can and > >will fail, why do you have a problems with program that fail? > > > >At 6/22/02 -0500, you wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:33:39 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "John Musielewicz" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:48 PM > >> >Subject: MORE PLEASE!!!! > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >Who's responsible if a piece of commerical > >> >software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. > >> ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >> > > >> >The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. > >> > >>Why? Why should any system be dependant on backups? Just another piece > >>of equipment to break down. What is to prevent the backup system from > >>failing? Why should any user have to be responsible or know how to > >>protect their systems? All they It should work out-of-the-box with no > >>failures- just like a refridgerator or any other appliance. > >> > >> > > >> >Barry > >> > >>John > >> > >> > > >> >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >> > >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:01:07 -0400 Reply-To: David Heath Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Heath Subject: Battery Life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C21A1F.2A1C47C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C21A1F.2A1C47C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >John Musielewicz wrote: >Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my = charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery life has = soared to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked in Battlog... John, Please share with us what settings you used in your program to achieve = this remarkable battery life. I have the same type of batteries but = only get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge them. I haven't used = your program but am interested if it will improve my recharge cycle this = much. I am running a DS 32 meg LX with a 128 meg CF. Is your machine = similarly configured? David ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C21A1F.2A1C47C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>John Musielewicz = wrote:
>Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my = charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery life = has soared=20 to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked in Battlog...
 
John,
 
Please share with us what settings you = used in your=20 program to achieve this remarkable battery life.  I have the = same type=20 of batteries but only get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge = them. =20 I haven't used your program but am interested if it will improve my = recharge=20 cycle this much.  I am running a DS 32 meg LX with a 128 meg = CF.  Is=20 your machine similarly configured?
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C21A1F.2A1C47C0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 02:09:33 +0200 Reply-To: Laust Brock-Nannestad Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Laust Brock-Nannestad Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622170345.00abb410@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > I tried hard to read the single giant paragraph, but I must be stupid! I > could not make heads or tails of what you were saying. Maybe it is the > weather in Minnesota this weekend - 90 F and extremely high humidity. So you thought it would help the rest of us if you quoted it, in full (including all the junk that had accumulated in the message you replied to)? Well, maybe it is the weather... Regards, Laust (who thinks the signal to noise ratio on the list has been rather bad lately) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:18:20 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Fluff: FA: Omnibook 300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm posting this on the list because the omnibooks are mentioned every = so often on this list and I think that 200LX entusiasts would find this = machine interesting. The OB300 is the only successor that HP ever made = to the 200LX. (The windows CE clamshell machines are a step down as far = as I'm concerned). It's a 386 but still will run for many hours on a = set of four AA nimh recargeables. It's a whole lot bigger than the LX = but has a touch-typeable keyboard. I think it fills a nice niche between = the 200LX and a 'real' pentium laptop. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2034013162 Regards. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:18:21 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome aboard. You'll find this list a pretty friendly place except for = the occasional flame war where people call eachother idiots over = copyright law and software piracy (as seems to be going on now). There's = also the occasional compliant about foul language, bad quoting, poor use = of the venacular and off topic posts. These flare-ups tend to last less = than two weeks and will usually come to an immediate end when the = moderator starts smacking noses with a rolled newspaper. Enjoy! ;^> =20 > > Hi everybody: > > > > I am a new member of this list. I am attorney at law from Lima, > > Peru (South America). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:18:21 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Flashcards Comments: To: Jaime Zea In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020621200434.009f2cc0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hi, >I use SanDisk CompactFlash 128 Mb with PC Card Adapter. My HP 200LX = links to my desktop through USB port. It works >like a big drive. I = haven't any problem. > Huh? Do you mean the sandisk card connects via USB? I ain't never heard = a no 200LX connecting via USB.... unless you got a serial-to-USB thingy. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:13:32 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <004a01c21984$8835cd40$f50d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/21/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >>From: "John Musielewicz" >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Who's responsible if a piece of commerical >>software crashes your computer and you loose hardware or data. >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. I find that I agree with you. It is not that simple perhaps, but the opposite which John touts sicken me. It seems he wants to blame someone for everything that happens badly for him, make someone else pay for it. Kinda slimey IMHO. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:35:47 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: Laust Brock-Nannestad In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/23/02 +0200, Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > >>I tried hard to read the single giant paragraph, but I must be stupid! I >> >> [snip] >So you thought it would help the rest of us if you quoted it, in full > > [snip] Yeah, sort of. But you make a good point. Thanks for the reminder. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:05:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>The one who didn't make proper backups is responsible. > > Why? Why should any system be dependant on backups? Just another piece > of equipment to break down. What is to prevent the backup system from > failing? Why should any user have to be responsible or know how to > protect their systems? All they It should work out-of-the-box with no > failures- just like a refridgerator or any other appliance. I agree. That's how it should be. And tires should never have flats. And everyone should love everyone else. And muggers should say thank you. But, in the meantime, if you don't back up your computer, you'll eventually learn why you should have. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:18:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: To Barry: Fwd: failure notice Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: To Barry: Fwd: failure notice Hi Barry, since I cannot reach you via private mail (no matter which From address I use or which SMTP server), I send you here the failure notice I get whenever I try to send you an email. Sorry, others, for taking up your bandwidth. --- begin of forwarded message --- Date: 22 Jun 2002 12:36:55 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@mail.gmx.net To: daniel.hertrich@gmx.de Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.gmx.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected_to_207.70.175.10_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_ said:_553_syntax_error,_please_forward_to_your_postmaster_(#5.7. 1)/ : 64.157.4.85_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_5 54_delivery_error:_dd_This_user_doesn't_have_a_yahoo.com_account _(barrem@yahoo.com)_-_mta537.mail.yahoo.com/ Since you're having problems at both those addresses I'm suspicious it's a problem on your end. I received quite a lot of email on each address today. Try barryem AT aol DOT com. I don't use that normally but i get a lot of junk there so it's working. If you have a problem there, too, it pretty much has to be on your end. By the way all my LX list mail comes to the fbtc address. That's where I read this. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:42:04 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! > Its not that I see computers as any more liable to fail as any other > product consisting of electronic components (although they do much > more than other appliances) Computers aren't like any other appliances. They're far more versatile. They let you change anything you want. They let you screw up. If you want reliability, get a game machine for games, index cards for your files, hire an artist to do your graphics, get web-tv, go back to using a typewriter, keep your appointments in an appointment book, etc. If you want something that you can do all those things with, any way you chose to do them, you have to pay the price. > I see the entire industry moving away from > reliablity (it they were ever moving towards it!!). It seems > manufacturers would much rather produce products that show pretty > graphics than build better more durable, reliable components. They make what we'll buy. > Does > anyone expect their computer to last more than a year or two? I don't. This computer is about three years old. I kept my last computer 6 years and gave it to my sister for her kids to beat up on. They're still beating up on it. They get more bruised than the computer. > And its not because it won't be able to run the latest software it is > because some component in the hardware will fail. I suggest looking for a better source for computers. I lose a mouse about every 2 or 3 years. Keyboards (I use very cheap ones) last about 2 years. CD drives and burners seem to last 3 or 4 years. Other than those items, I can't recall my last hardware failure. I did lose a hard card about 10 years ago. I buy no-name clones from Mom and Pop computer stores. They're made to my specs including the brand names of the components. They've always been perfect. I also used a lot of laptops over the years. We all know how fragile those are compared to desktop computers. I still have the very first one I bought and every one I bought after that except for the one I gave to my niece when she went to college and the one I gave my nephew when he went to college. With all those laptops (7 altogether, I think) I had to have one IBM 365xd repaired by IBM for a cost of around $300. That's my entire maintenance bill for the 20th century. > And a lot of times I > suspect its caused by the programming. As a person who doesn't upgrade > to the latest and greatest every year- I wouldn't mind being able to > buy a computer and still be using it 20 or 30 years down the road. My most advanced OS is Windows 98se. I'm retired now and money is tight so I likely won't be buying any more computers so I probably won't ever get another OS. What little programming I do is mostly on an old Dos laptop. A Compaq Aero with a 25 mhz 486sx and 12 meg. I love that little computer. Something I've been noticing about your posts is they seem to all be complaining in directions that knowlegable computer people don't normally complain about. I don't think I'm ready to say you're trolling. But I am beginning to wonder. Please say you aren't. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! > But this is freeware. I think a person needs to realize that freeware > is not always written by experienced programmers and might have bugs. Often true. But all in all I'd say that free software is as reliable or more so than the stuff you buy. And a lot of it is written by the very best of programmers. Ever used NetAlarm? I use a program called RioRio for my Rio 500. It's the only decent program ever written to transfer files to the Rio 500. Far, far superior to the garbage that Rio supplies. And it's freeware. One of the best codecs for mp3 is the Lame codec and it's freeware. I got interested in 3d graphics by looking at PovRay. I bought Truespace because I didn't want to model by coding. But PovRay is far more stable and reliable. I've started playing around with Win32forth, a freeware forth programming system for windows that's amazingly elaborate and feature filled and very stable. And written by Tom Zimmer, a renowned forth programmer. Linux isn't exactly freeware, but for personal use it's free. And it's nearly as good as Windows, according to linux gurus. (that's an example of a troll :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:59:44 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Battery Life Comments: To: David Heath MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Battery Life >John Musielewicz wrote: >Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery life has soared to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked in Battlog... John, Please share with us what settings you used in your program to achieve this remarkable battery life. I have the same type of batteries but only get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge them. I haven't used your program but am interested if it will improve my recharge cycle this much. I am running a DS 32 meg LX with a 128 meg CF. Is your machine similarly configured? I don't measure battery life in any way but on my single speed 200lx with a 40 meg Sandisk compact flash card of recent vintage I'd estimate my battery life to be closer to 26 hours than to 5 hours. Just going by feel, now. I haven't actually measured. However, another single speed 200lx with an early Sundisk 10 meg card needs fresh batteries every 2 to 4 days. I suspect the card but it might be a problem with that 200lx. It rarely gets more than 10 or 15 minutes use a day. It's the one I keep my phone numbers and passwords in at the computer. I'm using 1600 mAh NiMH batteries and they get rotated from computer to computer quite a lot. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:19:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Trouble with Windows XP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am having trouble running Transfile in Windows Xp. Any tips, tricks, etc. It ran fine in my Windows 98 computer. Cheers, Inigo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:13:22 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: To: jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I even tried it with no driver at all. With the same results. I'm about ready to give up on it and sell it. I'll give the list first crack at it, then it goes to eBay. Regards, Richard Smith John Musielewicz wrote: > Have you tried it without any other drivers including the doublespeed > driver? Maybe you have something else conficting. -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- "There is absolutely no difference between liberalism, socialism, communism, and progressivism. The end result is to establish 'social justice,' but the only system that has been established under that belief system is communism, where everybody has the same of everything." Dr. Balint Vazsonyi, the director of the Center for American Founding, Hungarian-born historian and world-renowned concert pianist. ----- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:17:00 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: FS: Accurite Travel Floppy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Sale: Accurite Travel Floppy, Passport Card and AC Adapter: Works fine in my laptop and desktop PCCard slot, but doesn't work with my Doublespeed 200LX. However, it should work in a standard speed 200LX palmtop. (But, since I can't test this, I can't guarantee it!) I spent $55 on the whole lot and would like to get that back, plus shipping. They usually sell new for an obscene $259! If no one buys it by Tuesday, June 25, then it goes up for auction on eBay. Regards, Richard Smith ---------- "There is absolutely no difference between liberalism, socialism, communism, and progressivism. The end result is to establish 'social justice,' but the only system that has been established under that belief system is communism, where everybody has the same of everything." Dr. Balint Vazsonyi, the director of the Center for American Founding, Hungarian-born historian and world-renowned concert pianist. ----- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:27:57 -0600 Reply-To: Kiyoshi Akima Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kiyoshi Akima Subject: battery/keyboard problem(s) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm not sure if this is one problem or more. Anybody else had anything like this happen? I was getting some dirty/stuck keys so I gave the outside of the keyboard a rather thorough cleaning. Got it all dried out and put the batteries back in. Now, the ON key will not turn the machine off. The key itself seems to work in that CTRL-SHIFT-ON still does a hard reset and ON-/ reverses video and so forth, but pressing ON by itself seems to have no effect. That's with and without being plugged in. With my NiMH batteries in there, if I use LXPRO to enable charging, the machine does its usual "Starting charging" message and then locks. It takes a hard reset to bring it back. The ESC key doesn't clear the message, none of the other keys seem to do anything. Using the built-in Setup program to enable charging, there seems to be no problem. Okay, so you probably want to know if the ON key will turn the machine on. Well, it's hard to turn it on when I can't turn it off. As described above, the ON key won't turn it off. If I let the machine time out, the clock on the topcard stops and none of the keys seem to do anything, but the screen remains on. Again, it takes a hard reset to bring it back. Anybody else ever seen anything like this? Given my mechanical aptitude, I'd rather not have to open up the machine but am willing to do so if necessary. I should mention that it's a stock 4MB 200LX: no double-speed, no extra memory. HELP!!! Kiyoshi Akima k_akima@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:29:36 EDT Reply-To: Colonnar@CS.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Colonna Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18e.996596a.2a46a8b0_boundary" --part1_18e.996596a.2a46a8b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat. 6/22 John Musielewicz wrote: > Have you tried it without any other drivers including the doublespeed > driver? Maybe you have something else conficting. **************************** No, I haven't. Until I read Richard Smith's inquiry suggesting that there was a problem/conflict with the doublespeed, I had been waiting for an opportunity to call Accurite's Tech. Dept. Your suggestion sounds good. I'll look for a conflict with another driver. Thanks. (With the double speed crystal still installed, would removing the doublespeed driver yield a valid test result?) Later, Ron Colonna --part1_18e.996596a.2a46a8b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Sat. 6/22 John Musielewicz wrote:

 >     Have you tried it without any other drivers including the doublespeed
 >     driver? Maybe you have something else conficting.

****************************

No, I haven't.  Until I read Richard Smith's inquiry suggesting that there was a problem/conflict with the doublespeed, I had been waiting for an opportunity to call Accurite's Tech. Dept.
Your suggestion sounds good.  I'll look for a conflict with another driver.  Thanks.
(With the double speed crystal still installed, would removing the doublespeed driver yield a valid test result?)

Later,  
Ron Colonna --part1_18e.996596a.2a46a8b0_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:38:10 -0500 Reply-To: Curtis Cameron Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Curtis Cameron Organization: None Subject: Re: Trouble with Windows XP Comments: To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" In-Reply-To: <20020623031914.59421.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:19:14 -0700 Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota wrote: >I am having trouble running Transfile in Windows Xp. >Any tips, tricks, etc. It ran fine in my Windows 98 >computer. I haven't tried TransFile on my XP machine because I use W32Filer instead. I think it's quicker and easier. And it runs fine on XP (I'm not saying that TransFile won't run, just that I haven't tried). -- Curtis Cameron http://www.ccdominoes.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:48:39 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <14f.fbc1f80.2a454a89@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:39:52 +1200 (NZT) 1 day 01h04m15s ago ... On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:35:37 -0400, Ron Colonna wrote: > Does anyone else have any other ideas or possibilities? Thanks. Ron The wierd thing is that I just found my dusty old accurite travel floppy and pcmcia "Passport Card" - couldn't find the manual but I copied a driver from the card. And it works fine on my DS palmtop!! I just had to have device-c:\fdhppam.sys in config.sys. The fdhppalm.sys I have is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes. This seems to conflict with what accurite told you. What date is your driver? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:56:11 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: FS: Accurite Travel Floppy: SOLD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Travel Floppy is SOLD! Thanks! Regards, Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:45:43 EDT Reply-To: Colonnar@CS.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Colonna Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.28be2961.2a46ba87_boundary" --part1_c8.28be2961.2a46ba87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/22/02 9:45:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time Tony Hutchins wrote: > The wierd thing is that I just found my dusty old accurite > travel floppy and pcmcia "Passport Card" - couldn't find the > manual but I copied a driver from the card. And it works fine > on my DS palmtop!! > I just had to have device-c:\fdhppam.sys in config.sys. > The fdhppalm.sys I have is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes. > This seems to conflict with what accurite told you. > What date is your driver? ******************************** Tony, Thanks for the info. That was the big question in my mind - whether the doublespeed was really a problem, or not. I had never contacted Accurite successfully, but Richard Smith had, and they told him that they didn't 'support' the Travel Floppy and doublespeed. Of course not 'supporting' that is not the same as acknowledging that there is a problem; it just says that they are washing their hands of any potential problems. So your information is very helpful; it eliminates Accurite and their product and points the finger at me. Either I've done something wrong in the setup, or I have a conflict with another driver. Thanks again, Ron Colonna --part1_c8.28be2961.2a46ba87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 6/22/02 9:45:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
      Tony Hutchins wrote:

      >  The wierd thing is that I just found my dusty old accurite
      >  travel floppy and pcmcia "Passport Card" - couldn't find the
      >  manual but I copied a driver from the card. And it works fine
      >  on my DS palmtop!!

      >  I just had to have device-c:\fdhppam.sys in config.sys.
      >  The fdhppalm.sys I have is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes.

      >  This seems to conflict with what accurite told you.

      >  What date is your driver?
      
********************************

      Tony,

      Thanks for the info.  That was the big question in my mind - whether the doublespeed was really a problem, or not.  I had never contacted Accurite successfully, but Richard Smith had, and they told him that they didn't 'support'
the Travel Floppy and doublespeed.  Of course not 'supporting' that is not the same as acknowledging that there is a problem; it just says that they are washing their hands of any potential problems.  So your information is very helpful; it eliminates
Accurite and their product and points the finger at me.  Either I've done something wrong in the setup, or I have a conflict with another driver.

Thanks again,  Ron Colonna --part1_c8.28be2961.2a46ba87_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:11:44 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Joep Zander? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, is anyone here with the name Joep Zander? We have sent a copy of the HPLX users database email to a Joep Zander, and he responded he doesn't even know what a HPLX is. Maybe we have a wrong email address? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 04:50:53 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622170345.00abb410@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Avi I thought you had some sort of Master's degree so have been approaching you as if you were a fairly intelligent person. Would you prefer I stop doing that and write to you like I do if I don't have a clue of the educational level of the person? I can write on the level any child can understand.:) I can rewrite the paragraph at about a sixth grade level if you want.=20 I live in Minneapolis and am finding the weather quite pleasant. I have a fan on which keeps the air moving and dries the skin quite well so I can sweat and keep cool. I used to travel and live in the south quite a bit and like the heat. Its nice after a cold winter for it to get hot. Fishing is great when it gets hot and humid. The prey of the fish slow down a lot so fish move more. I catch alot of fish. My prize is a 32 inch Walleye which is on my wall. If the heat bothers you too much- head to Duluth!! The Lake keeps it nice and cool there plus you can go swimming in it. Its only a couple hours north on I35. A great trip is to head north to the Canadian border and kayak south along the North Shore to Duluth when it gets too hot. You can rent kayaks in Duluth.=20 John On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:05:50 -0700, you wrote: >I tried hard to read the single giant paragraph, but I must be stupid! I >could not make heads or tails of what you were saying. Maybe it is the >weather in Minnesota this weekend - 90 F and extremely high humidity. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:49:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: To: Colonnar@CS.COM In-Reply-To: <18e.996596a.2a46a8b0@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >(With the double speed crystal still installed, would removing the >doublespeed driver yield a valid test result?) > >Later, >Ron Colonna It should. The pcmcia isn't really affected by the clock doubling.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:48:08 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:38:38 +1200 (NZT) 49m01s ago ... On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:49:37 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > >(With the double speed crystal still installed, would removing the > >doublespeed driver yield a valid test result?) > > > >Later, > >Ron Colonna > > It should. The pcmcia isn't really affected by the clock doubling. John, Mack's DS driver can be changed to make the palmtop go at "single" speed too. SHIFT-CTRL-DEL - Toggles slow/fast mode That might help, but here the "travel floppy" seems to work fine on a DS palmtop. Mine has travelled a lot, with the accurite power cube - such a heavy thing :( - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:59 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <003001c21a61$59339da0$d30d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:54:18 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 3:58 PM >Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! > > >> But this is freeware. I think a person needs to realize that >freeware >> is not always written by experienced programmers and might >have bugs. > >Often true. But all in all I'd say that free software is as >reliable or more so than the stuff you buy. And a lot of it is >written by the very best of programmers. Yes, but many beginning programmers will release freeware simply to get their name out. So in many instances you don't know WHO wrote it. Plus documentation can be extremely limited so in many instances it's very difficult to set up. > >Ever used NetAlarm? No. I have used very little of the freeware out there. > >I use a program called RioRio for my Rio 500. It's the only >decent program ever written to transfer files to the Rio 500. >Far, far superior to the garbage that Rio supplies. And it's >freeware. This is one great advantage of freeware. A lot of times a programmer will get tired of using junk software, and simply write a better program. Then release it as freeware. Its a great method of keeping commercial software under control. > >One of the best codecs for mp3 is the Lame codec and it's >freeware. > >I got interested in 3d graphics by looking at PovRay. I bought >Truespace because I didn't want to model by coding. But PovRay >is far more stable and reliable. > > I've started playing around with Win32forth, a freeware forth >programming system for windows that's amazingly elaborate and >feature filled and very stable. And written by Tom Zimmer, a >renowned forth programmer. I have programmed in Forth. It is a great programming language. A tad difficult to use sometimes though. Pascal or Fortran is a little better. > >Linux isn't exactly freeware, but for personal use it's free. >And it's nearly as good as Windows, according to linux gurus. =46or all practical purposes its freeware since the source is freely availible. >(that's an example of a troll :) Not a bad troll. I hope you don't think I've been trolling here? I never troll the HPLX list- just usenet. I don't see how your troll would get anybody excited except maybe the Windows part in a Linux newsgroup, though. I prefer to be a little less subtle to widen the angle. The more people it impacts the more that will respond. A misspelling or swear word can really get people going. Its incredible the number of people with reading comphrension problems that use the internet that would miss your troll- unless you make it emphatic. I used to be really blunt and direct and sometimes still am but now I prefer to be nice. I've noticed that niceness doesn't reel in quite as many but you kan post nicely to start then troll later on in the thread. But then I've never taken trolling or trolls very seriously. In fact people throw the definition of troll around like its cqandy and on some perfectly valid on-topic appropriate disagreements call it trolling which is simply not true. I've seen some pretty interesting trolls in action. What's interesting is that people will complain and complain instead of just killfiling a troll. Some people just like to whine. What can be really fun is supporting a troll for a while and starting a flame war. If you can get the troll involved it can get really interesting. =20 > >Barry John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:20:02 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:35:37 EDT, Ron Colonna wrote: > Well, at least from your efforts I discovered what my problem is with = the > Travel > Floppy is: The Doublespeed upgrade. Thanks. The Accurite tech returned= my > call when I was unable to discuss my problem, and I never got back to = my > inquiry. Well, maybe try another Doublespeed driver. There are three drivers I know of, the Times2Tech driver, CLKUP32.SYS, which is actually meant for the cheap 32MHz upgrades, and Stefan Peichl's DSPEED driver. Someone (Dzon?) reported that at least some programs behave differently depending on which driver is used. Don't know if hardware behaves differently, too, but it could be. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:29:58 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a bad troll. I hope you don't think I've been trolling here? I never troll the HPLX list- just usenet. I don't see how your troll would get anybody excited except maybe the Windows part in a Linux newsgroup, though. I prefer to be a little less subtle to widen the angle. The more people it impacts the more that will respond. A misspelling or swear word can really get people going. Its incredible the number of people with reading comphrension problems that use the internet that would miss your troll- unless you make it emphatic. I used to be really blunt and direct and sometimes still am but now I prefer to be nice. I've noticed that niceness doesn't reel in quite as many but you kan post nicely to start then troll later on in the thread. But then I've never taken trolling or trolls very seriously. In fact people throw the definition of troll around like its cqandy and on some perfectly valid on-topic appropriate disagreements call it trolling which is simply not true. I've seen some pretty interesting trolls in action. What's interesting is that people will complain and complain instead of just killfiling a troll. Some people just like to whine. What can be really fun is supporting a troll for a while and starting a flame war. If you can get the troll involved it can get really interesting. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< My "troll" was a joke. It might have really been a troll if I hadn't made a joke about it. The problem with trolling is that it either wastes bandwidth and fills a newsgroup with nonsense messages, which is bad enough..... or, more often, it takes an interesting discussion off on a meaningless tangent. Trolls are anti-discussion. In discussion groups, I think that deserves to be taken seriously. My question about whether you were trolling wasn't really to get a reply from you or an answer. It was to make you wonder if you're having that effect. Your answer and your attitude toward trolls concerns me. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:52:23 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How can I get my mobile GPS-data into the internet by using the hplx and gsm? Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:51:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! In-Reply-To: <8r4bhu0ogspmt46hpaat4g0lpg6lhpnfhn@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/23/02 -0500, John M. wrote: >Avi > >I thought you had some sort of Master's degree so have been >approaching you as if you were a fairly intelligent person. Would you >prefer I stop doing that and write to you like I do if I don't have a >clue of the educational level of the person? I can write on the level >any child can understand.:) I can rewrite the paragraph at about a >sixth grade level if you want. You are sooooo talented. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:20:14 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: battery/keyboard problem(s) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kiyoshi On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:27:57 -0600, Kiyoshi Akima = wrote: > Anybody else ever seen anything like this? Given my mechanical aptitude,= I'd > rather not have to open up the machine but am willing to do so if = necessary. > I should mention that it's a stock 4MB 200LX: no double-speed, no extra > memory. I don't know what the problem is, of course, but I would sugest you to open the palmtop and clean everything with compressed air. First you can try if the usual take-all-batteries-out-for-one-day trick helps, Also have a look at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair where you'll find hints how to fix several problems and a link to a page which describes in detail how you can open the palmtop (under "related pages"). I hope you can fix the problem! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:25:31 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, John and Avi, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:51:27 -0700, Avi Meshar = wrote: > >any child can understand.:) I can rewrite the paragraph at about a > >sixth grade level if you want. > > You are sooooo talented. What's this? One of you should be so nice to stop this nonsense. Or continue off list, please. If you continue this way, we will soon have two crying babies here. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:46:37 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:21:57 +1200 (NZT) Just to say that ROBONEWS/LX can access news.compuserve.com using the same Login/Password used when dialing compuserve. This authentication means that news.compuserve.com can now be accessed via any ISP. I've also upgraded ROBONEWS/LX in a couple of ways: 1. It uses the template differently so that newsgroups can be picked from a regular POST/LX .ADR file - I have this for the [ADDRESSES] section in POST.CFG: [ADDRESSES] &Post=3Dadr\post.adr &SMS=3Dadr\SMS.ADR &LISTSERV=3Dadr\LISTSERV.ADR &NEWSGROUPS=3Dadr\newsgrps.adr &WWW=3Dadr\www.adr &OLD=3Dadr\OLD.ADR &TICKERS=3Dadr\YQUOTES.ADR &USA_CITIES=3Dadr\YWEATHUS.ADR &WORLD_CITIES=3Dadr\YWEATHER.ADR Note how the hotkeys work in the above list. Also I keep all my *.adr in a separate subdirectory off the local POST/LX diesctory, called c:\post\adr\ 2. It is now easier to reply via e-mail as well as to a newsgroup. The completed message to the newsgroup just needs to be copied as is to a mail outbox. 3. It is also easier to write a fresh message to a newsgroup as the newsgroup name can be picked from the NEWSGRPS.ADR file - rather than being typing in, or doing a "reply" and then editing the subject etc. The newsgroup name goes in the To: header - this is never sent to a newsgroup, but if the Newsgroups: header is blank the To: contents are used there. 4. In the inbox pressing "~" will show the newsgroup name in the list view - really handy for a multi-group box. I almost only need one inbox for my newsgroups now. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:35:39 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: ADMIN: MORE PLEASE!!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has probably gone on a bit too long. Please take this off-List! Cheers...AJKind -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]On Behalf Of Daniel Hertrich Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:26 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: MORE PLEASE!!!! Hey, John and Avi, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:51:27 -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > >any child can understand.:) I can rewrite the paragraph at about a > >sixth grade level if you want. > > You are sooooo talented. What's this? One of you should be so nice to stop this nonsense. Or continue off list, please. If you continue this way, we will soon have two crying babies here. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:54:06 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <20020623224221.10284D1BD7@deborah.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed TEll where you put all the new stuff so the folks can download it. At 6/24/02 +1200, you wrote: >Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:21:57 +1200 (NZT) > >Just to say that ROBONEWS/LX can access news.compuserve.com >using the same Login/Password used when dialing compuserve. >This authentication means that news.compuserve.com can now be >accessed via any ISP. > >I've also upgraded ROBONEWS/LX in a couple of ways: ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:20:00 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623195306.00a43100@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:09:02 +1200 (NZT) 14m35s ago ... On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:54:27 -0400, Avi Meshar wrote: > TEll where you put all the new stuff so the folks can download it. Hi Avi, when it is downloadable somewhere I will tell :) I have to get posting to news.compuserve.com working better first - that server is inclined to time out quicker than I expected. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:14:36 -0600 Reply-To: Kiyoshi Akima Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kiyoshi Akima Subject: Re: battery/keyboard problem(s) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I don't know what the problem is, of course, but I would sugest you to open the palmtop and clean everything with compressed air. First you can try if the usual take-all-batteries-out-for-one-day trick helps, Already tried that. I actually dunked the machine in water and let it dry for a couple of days. That cleaned the exterior of the keyboard but didn't seem to make much difference in the functionality. >Also have a look at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair where you'll find hints how to fix several problems and a link to a page which describes in detail how you can open the palmtop (under "related pages"). Already done that, too. Tried the squeeze trick. Opened it up and did some cleaning (don't have a can of compressed air handy, have to get some). I really don't want to try taking the keyboard apart unless I have to. >I hope you can fix the problem! So do I. I don't want to be stuck with just my 320LX. The strange thing is that now, the Cursor-Down key doesn't work. Neither does the MENU key. The 'o' and F10 produce the right key and then produces a single Cursor-Down. The '9', '6', '3', and '=' keys (the second column from the right) all do the right thing followed by a string of Cursor-Downs until I hit some other key. The Cursor-Up key on the same column works fine. Kiyoshi Akima k_akima@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:25:14 -0500 Reply-To: Dario Draiman Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dario Draiman Subject: Transfer Bode plotter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi everyone! Does anyone knows of a program that can do Bode and phase plots by entering the transfer function H(s) and that would run on the LX? Poles and zeros plots are welcome too. TIA. Dario -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:03:00 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: SV: Special characters again MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Axel Berger writes: > For efficiency they would like as many people as > possible to use them, and for all the not quite so computer literat= e it > might be easier to remember m=FCnchen.de than muenchen.de. >=20 > Axel >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 I agree wholeheartedly. From now on all web sites should use their lo= cal spelling in names. All Hebrew websites should be in Hebrew characters= , Arabic websites should be in Arabic characters, and maybe the Japanese will = be=20 considerate and have their websites in Romanji. Web sites belonging t= o Welsh city councils will probably cause most Web browsers to abort because of st= ring overflow.(VBG) --=20 ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:13:32 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: [TECH] Goinpost, PPPlink is down Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Axel Berger writes: > Pierre TESTORI wrote: > > Is there a correlation between ppplink down and batteries down ? > > Yes, I had the same problem trying to do SMS at about 2.35 V. Presumably > the modem card does not get enaugh power and voltage any more then. > The internal serial port also drains the batteries. I would imagine that if your batteries were low it would cut out or fail to connect properly. IIRC that is also part of the pwoer saving feature of the HPLX, as the batteries get low it starts to "shut down" in order to preserve the data. -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:52:58 +0100 Reply-To: hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: HP Staber Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > > Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:21:57 +1200 (NZT) > > Just to say that ROBONEWS/LX can access news.compuserve.com > using the same Login/Password used when dialing compuserve. > This authentication means that news.compuserve.com can now be > accessed via any ISP. > > I've also upgraded ROBONEWS/LX in a couple of ways: Most wellcome upgrades - thank you. > 3. It is also easier to write a fresh message to a newsgroup > as the newsgroup name can be picked from the NEWSGRPS.ADR > file - rather than being typing in, or doing a "reply" and then > editing the subject etc. The newsgroup name goes in the To: > header - this is never sent to a newsgroup, but if the > Newsgroups: header is blank the To: contents are used there. I got flamed once on the linux newsgroup when I replied to a post and changed the subject to start a new one. It spoils "threading" so it should not be used. HP Staber/Salzburg ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:03:59 +0200 Reply-To: Dzon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dzon Subject: Re: antivirus? In-Reply-To: <02d901c2192a$a85ec860$a50d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Do you really think there's a serious chance of getting a virus > on the LX? How? What virus? uhmm, well... there are plenty of DOS viruses, but I don't know how many of them can run on XT. I am using 128MB flash and now I am testing plenty of CGA games for LX usability. This is, I guess, ideal way to get infected, and I'd like to know. -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:33:26 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: To: th@PARADISE.NET.NZ Comments: cc: customerservice@accurite.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the late reply, but I get the digest version of the List: My c:\fdhppam.sys file is 8049 bytes and dated 02-18-98. So it appears that the problem is the newer driver. Well, I'm glad to find this out now that I've SOLD it! GRRR! If Accurite's Tech Support people had any idea what real customer service is they might have told me this and I would be happy with them and their product. This is why I have absolutely NO patience with poor customer service. If they had excellent customer service they would be willing to help anyone get their products working with anything. Good customer relations means repeat customers and new customers due to referrals from satisfied customers. By simply telling me that I'm SOL, they've tarnished their reputation with me and with those members of the list who expect good customer service. In fact. this is what they told me: == Begin quote: == Hi Richard, Accurite doesn't support doublespeed upgrades for the HP 200LX. There are timing issues in the device driver for the Travel Floppy 144. We have seen some speed up kits sold in Japan that worked fine. I'm sorry to say this but Accurite has no current plans to support speedup kits on the 200XL. Regards, Richard Kelly Accurite Technologies Inc. rkelly@accurite.com == End quote == I guess my first clue should have been his referring to the 200LX as "the 200XL." Anyway, as much as possible, I don't buy from companies with poor customer service. Richard Smith Tony Hutchins wrote: > The wierd thing is that I just found my dusty old accurite > travel floppy and pcmcia "Passport Card" - couldn't find the > manual but I copied a driver from the card. And it works fine > on my DS palmtop!! > I just had to have device-c:\fdhppam.sys in config.sys. > The fdhppalm.sys I have is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes. > This seems to conflict with what accurite told you. > What date is your driver? > - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:35:30 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: battery/keyboard problem(s) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kiyoshi On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:14:36 -0600, Kiyoshi Akima = wrote: > Already tried that. I actually dunked the machine in water and let it = dry > for a couple of days. That cleaned the exterior of the keyboard but = didn't > seem to make much difference in the functionality. WHAT? You arre kidding, aren't you? > Already done that, too. Tried the squeeze trick. Opened it up and did = some > cleaning (don't have a can of compressed air handy, have to get some). = I > really don't want to try taking the keyboard apart unless I have to. This is probably what has to be done. I suspect there is some water between the keyboard foils, because this could cause exactly the problems you describe: > The strange thing is that now, the Cursor-Down key doesn't work. = Neither The water mirgrated from the on key down to the cursor keys... > does the MENU key. All these keys are on the edge of the keyboard, where the water can come in between the foils. > The 'o' and F10 produce the right key and then produces a > single Cursor-Down. The '9', '6', '3', and '=3D' keys (the second = column from > the right) all do the right thing followed by a string of Cursor-Downs = until > I hit some other key. probably a little drop of water under the cursor-down key, which gets mechanically triggered in some way be the other ones, maybe even electrically... > The Cursor-Up key on the same column works fine. Take the keyboard apart, entirely, separate the foils and let them dry. Then clean them CAREFULLY with alcohol (don't rub too much, as this can wipe off the contact spots on the foil. also, treat the mainboard with compressed air, I even would suggest you taking apart the screen. Take the whole machine apart and let the components dry for some days! Water can have flown everywhere, causing the weirdest things, up to battery short-circuit with a final mainboard damage, corrosion of expensive flat cable contacts, not to speak about data loss doe to shorts between data lines... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:40:39 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX In-Reply-To: <200206240550.BAA19549@siaar1ab.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:11:51 +1200 (NZT) 01h21m03s ago ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:50:48 +0200, HP wrote: > Most wellcome upgrades - thank you. My pleasure - it was fun getting posting to news.compuserve.com working - it times out within 5 seconds it it's not doing anything, so if there is a big outbox to search for the message to send I need to re-connect. Works fine though. But news.compuserve.com doesn't carry alt.test so instead I sent test messages to alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast.largetea.cheerslove > I got flamed once on the linux newsgroup when I replied to > a post and changed the subject to start a new one. It spoils > "threading" so it should not be used. Whoops that's my fault for putting "References:" in the template. Well, now it's easy to do a fresh message. I don't know why I didn't think of it 3 years ago :( - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:48:23 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HP Staber wrote: > I got flamed once on the linux newsgroup when I replied to a post and > changed the subject to start a new one. It spoils "threading" Are you sure you heven't mistyped and meant "windows"? I could believe OE et al. being so brain dead as to thread through the subject, but changing subjects and threading through RID have both been well accepted standards long before Linux. They ought to know better. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:53:10 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: news.compuserve.com and ROBONEWS/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axel Berger wrote: > > changed the subject to start a new one. Please ignore the nonsense I wrote before, splicing a *new* thread into an old one making them inseparable is of course bad - I hadn't looked properly. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:44:40 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <3D16BD35.22326F43@freeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:21:06 +1200 (NZT) 01h47m40s ago ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:33:26 -0600, Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > In fact. this is what they told me: Hi Richard, Hey, at least you got an answer - a very good start :) > =3D=3D Begin quote: =3D=3D > Hi Richard, > > Accurite doesn't support doublespeed upgrades for the HP > 200LX. There are timing issues in the device driver for > the Travel Floppy 144. We have seen some speed up kits sold > in Japan that worked fine. For all I know this could be a perfectly prudent assessment by Accurite. They are aware of timing issues but imply some speed up kits are OK. I must have finally got lucky with my DS palmtop - it works with Travel Floopy but suffers amazing hinge crack and barrel problems :( I personally would run with their assessment. They sold good gear for the HP palmtop over many years. Even their manuals were good, only I kept losing them > I'm sorry to say this but Accurite has no current plans to > support speedup kits on the 200XL. > > Regards, > > Richard Kelly > Accurite Technologies Inc. Seems quite a nice honest factual reply. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:39:44 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I receive this list in digest form and explode it to a seperate folder using POST/LX 3.1a. I usually reply to a message by pressing F3 from POST/LX. This always worked well, but since some time, I can no longer reply for example to Avi or Tony. What happens is, that the message body no longer appears, there is no "Text:" displayed. The strange thing is, that I even cannot reply to my own contributions to this list, which were send and received by the same version of POST/LX. However I can reply for example to Daniel, so there must be something special for some messages only. I cannot remember having changed anything in my setup except for WWW/LX, which I updated to WWW/LX 3.1c. Avi, Daniel, Tony, if you reply to any message, do you always get the "Text:" field prepared from POST/LX? Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:01:00 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: Transfer Bode plotter Comments: To: dario200@MAIL.COM In-Reply-To: <20020624042514.33340.qmail@mail.com> from "Dario Draiman" at Jun 23, 2002 11:25:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does anyone knows of a program that can do Bode and phase plots by > entering the transfer function H(s) and that would run on the LX? Poles > and zeros plots are welcome too. Dario: Yes - try the classic program called "PROGRAM CC" by Systems Technologies, Inc. They used to have the original DOS version available by inquiry, even though their website currently only lists the Windows version. Be prepared for sticker shock. As I recall, 15 years ago this program costs thousands of dollars. Seems like they had a lower cost student edition as well. Just checked on their website, and the price is considerably more reasonable these days. The student version is $65 and the professional version is $750. You'll still need to inquire about the DOS version, however. Good luck. Their websites are: http://www.systemstech.com/ http://www.programcc.com/ -Chris -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-377-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:54:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is no e-mail list that I know of for the XtreeGold users, but there is a website with a message forum at: http://www.xtreefanpage.org/cgi-bin/xtfp_bbs.pl It's part of the Xtree fan page http://www.XTreeFanPage.org where you will find plenty of tips and tricks. Alan Striegel -----Original Message----- From: Nathalie Bugeaud [mailto:planetary@FREE.FR] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:14 PM >... >btw. anyone know of a xtgold list? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:34:24 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Fluff: FA: Omnibook 300 FWIW, it runs Personal Food Analyst just great. Perfect for those whose girth and eyes are going . - Longden > It's a 386 but still will run for many hours on a set of four AA nimh > recargeables. It's a whole lot bigger than the LX but has a touch-typeable > keyboard. I think it fills a nice niche between the 200LX and a 'real' pentium > laptop. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034013162 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:24:41 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <20020624084022.C8D98D18C2@deborah.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I'm sorry to say this but Accurite has no current plans to >> support speedup kits on the 200XL. >> >> Regards, >> >> Richard Kelly >> Accurite Technologies Inc. > >Seems quite a nice honest factual reply. > >- Tony Then they should warn people ahead of time BEFORE they buy the product so people don't have to waste their time and money with a product that won't work. They advertise it works with the 200LX so naturally people will assume it works with ALL 200LXs. Its up to the company to be honest in their advertising not for the customer to slog through a lot of mish mash just to find out in the end they are subject to false advertising and stuck with something that won't work. I wonder what else is defective about the travel floppy they don't mention. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:04:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:39:44 +0000, Stefan Peichl wrote: > I usually reply to a message by pressing F3 from POST/LX. This > always worked well, but since some time, I can no longer reply > for example to Avi or Tony. What happens is, that the message > body no longer appears, there is no "Text:" displayed. Strange. > However I can reply for example to Daniel, so there must be > something special for some messages only. I cannot remember > having changed anything in my setup except for WWW/LX, which > I updated to WWW/LX 3.1c. Good to know you can at least reply to my messages. :-) > Avi, Daniel, Tony, if you reply to any message, do you always > get the "Text:" field prepared from POST/LX? Yes, always. Can it have something to do with MIME encoding? I have MIME switched on for some weeks now here, hadn't switched it on before. Avi and Tony, do you MIME-encode your mesages? I send this message once with and once without mime encoding. Please try to reply to both, so we can see if that makes a difference. This one is the MIME-encoded copy. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:04:29 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:39:44 +0000, Stefan Peichl wrote: > I usually reply to a message by pressing F3 from POST/LX. This > always worked well, but since some time, I can no longer reply > for example to Avi or Tony. What happens is, that the message > body no longer appears, there is no "Text:" displayed. Strange. > However I can reply for example to Daniel, so there must be > something special for some messages only. I cannot remember > having changed anything in my setup except for WWW/LX, which > I updated to WWW/LX 3.1c. Good to know you can at least reply to my messages. :-) > Avi, Daniel, Tony, if you reply to any message, do you always > get the "Text:" field prepared from POST/LX? Yes, always. Can it have something to do with MIME encoding? I have MIME switched on for some weeks now here, hadn't switched it on before. Avi and Tony, do you MIME-encode your mesages? I send this message once with and once without mime encoding. Please try to reply to both, so we can see if that makes a difference. This one is the NOT MIME-encoded copy. The only difference between the two seems to be the header Content-Transfer-Encoding: which is "quoted-printable" for the MIME message and "8bit" for the Non-MIME message. There are no special characters involved, so the encoding is actually quite irrelevant. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:12:53 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE In-Reply-To: <17MQK6-0c19EWC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 6/24/02 +0000, you wrote: >I receive this list in digest form and explode it to a seperate >folder using POST/LX 3.1a. > >I usually reply to a message by pressing F3 from POST/LX. This >always worked well, but since some time, I can no longer reply >for example to Avi or Tony. What happens is, that the message >body no longer appears, there is no "Text:" displayed. Happend to me too occasionally. Can this be related to MIME settings? I know that when I actually press the F3, the message text appears in PE. I am not sure how to guide you here... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:32:36 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > They advertise it works with the 200LX so naturally people > will assume it works with ALL 200LXs. Only unreasonable people will. What you can and may expect is it working with all kinds of genuine unadulterated HP issue LXs available at the time that advertisement was written. Later modifications and of course anything you have done (or have had done) yourself is nothing to do with it. If you are really looking for someone to pass blame on to, then the DS modifyers are the ones, only I am pretty convinced the possibility of hardware and accessory incompatibilities was the very first thing they told you about. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:06:13 -0700 Reply-To: Donald Collins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Donald Collins Subject: 128mb compact flash on eBay $45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see that someone is selling these on eBay and I was wondering if this was a good price. They are selling 100 of them but I don't recognize the maker. Does anyone recognize this card and do you know if it's compatible with our LX's? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1361965018 Don. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:10:04 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: 128mb compact flash on eBay $45 I've never used this brand but it seems like a decent price for 128mb. However, given that Costco sells SanDisk 128mb CF (which is known to work on the LX) for only $9 more, and given the reputation that ebay has (or lack of it) for customer satisfaction, the difference in price is too small to make it worth my risk (personally speaking). - Longden > I see that someone is selling these on eBay and I was wondering if this was > a good price. > > They are selling 100 of them but I don't recognize the maker. Does anyone > recognize this card and do you know if it's compatible with our LX's? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:23:28 -0400 Reply-To: Robert Charron Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Robert Charron Subject: Sill For Sale: Complete HP200LX with 32MB DS Package for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Supplied with the following PCMCIA 128MB Flash Memory Card made by Simple Technology Fax-Modem,Megahertz Model XJ1144 14.4Kbps PCMCIA FAX Modem with XJACK (Slide out connector) Serial Cable (HP Original) AC Adapted - HP Model F1011A#ABA AC/DC Adapter 2- Maha Nexcell NIHM AA 1350ma rechargeable batteries brand new Targus Leather Case for the HP200LX (Will house the HP200LX plus 6 PCMCIA cards) Software Carousel Version 7.07 purchased from Thaddeus Computing ()It permits running mere then one application at a time and you can switch from one application to the next) Times2 Tech Software Supplied with the Double Speed & Ram Upgrade SPD31 - Speed Upgrade Drivers TREMM - EMM Driver TRCHECK - TechRam Checker RDT2T - TechRam Drivers Symantec ACT! for HP Palmtops Version 1.1 purchased from Symantec (Contact Management Software) ABC/LX V 1.0 purchased from Shier Systems & Software (Advance Battery Charging System Software & Battery Status Monitor) HP EXM Tools Supplied by HP The HP Palmtop Paper Subscriber Power Disk 1993 Fall 1994-Summer 1995 Fall 1995 - Summer 1996 1998 Palmtop Application Library Version 1.6 All the printed HP Palmtop Paper that I have Owner Manual for the HP200LX HP200LX Development guide The HP Palmtop Paper CD-Infobase 1999 (2 CD-Rom) 4 - 3.5" floppy disk full of information/software relating to the HP200LX I had this little gem since 1997 and have taken very good care of it. Asking $500US FIRM for the complete package plus shipping. This would ship from Montreal, Canada Robert Charron ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:33:40 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <48aehugm5r2o64r0cm5sahinqk69jnchkn@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:40:59 +1200 (NZT) 07h16m18s ago ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:24:41 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> I'm sorry to say this but Accurite has no current plans to > >> support speedup kits on the 200XL. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Richard Kelly > >> Accurite Technologies Inc. > > > >Seems quite a nice honest factual reply. > > > >- Tony > > Then they should warn people ahead of time BEFORE they buy > the product so people don't have to waste their time and > money with a product that won't work. The Travel Floppy in question was bought on ebay. Does this make any difference to your views? What if it did not come with a manual? What if the manual said something like: "Palmtops which have been modified to increase the CPU's clock speed may not function properly with Travel Floppy" What if the manual was printed 5 years ago? > They advertise it works with the 200LX so naturally people > will assume it works with ALL 200LXs. Do tell, what exactly are "ALL 200LXs"? You have to qualify that don't you? Anyone would have to be nuts to advertise that something works with "ALL" of anything. What about a modified 200LX with a defective PCMCIA slot? If you have a DS palmtop the HP warranty is void BTW. This alone should tell you something. They can't warn the buyer about everything, surely. Isn't there an old saying: "Let the buyer beware". It's just common sense. What *is* a "200LX", legally? > Its up to the company to be honest in their advertising not > for the customer to slog through a lot of mish mash just to > find out in the end they are subject to false advertising > and stuck with something that won't work. If people bought it from Accurite and found it didn't work I'm sure it could be sent back for a refund? If you feel strongly why not write to Accurite and provide them with accurate wording for their advertising? Maybe they can have a special section for Ebay buyers? > I wonder what else is defective about the travel floppy > they don't mention. I suggest you e-mail Accurite and ask. You are a bit of a worry lad - the new Ralph Nader! Do you ever hold Minnesota Palmtop Users meetings? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:15:58 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, > Avi and Tony, do you MIME-encode your mesages? I do, I think. Yup. Stefan sent me an example from the expoded digest - what is normally a CR after the headers is a space then CR. This basically removes the "neck" between the headers and the body - POST.HED shows the body too. I don't get the digest but have tried a second subscription to hplx-l - it hasn't started yet though. I will get the MIME'd digest, which is the explodable one AFAIR, and check it out. This doesn't explain the difference between Avi and I, and you though - in the example I saw your http: line below showed up as "Text:" - as if POST/LX saw the "--" as a substitute neck for the message. -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact It will take some looking into I think ;-) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:46:38 -0700 Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Joseph Buford Subject: OT-Mathcad 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apolgies for the OT bandwidth. Does anyone know where I can find Mathcad 7? Thanks Joe ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:52:51 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: Battery Life In-Reply-To: <003b01c21a62$1b0ab940$d30d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14673299==_.ALT" --=====================_14673299==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:59 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Heath" >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:01 PM >Subject: Battery Life > > > >John Musielewicz wrote: > >Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my >charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery >life has soared to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked >in Battlog... > >John, > >Please share with us what settings you used in your program to >achieve this remarkable battery life. I have the same type of >batteries but only get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge >them. I haven't used your program but am interested if it will >improve my recharge cycle this much. I am running a DS 32 meg >LX with a 128 meg CF. Is your machine similarly configured? DS and 32 MB upgrade "eats" battery. I think more than 30% that the instructions says. >However, another single speed 200lx with an early Sundisk 10 meg >card needs fresh batteries every 2 to 4 days. I suspect the >card but it might be a problem with that 200lx. Try to take all the batteries out for 48 hours (main and backup battery). Jaime --=====================_14673299==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0500, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Heath" <downeast@VOL.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: Battery Life


>John Musielewicz wrote:
>Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my
charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery
life has soared to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked
in Battlog...

John,

Please share with us what settings you used in your program to
achieve this remarkable battery life.  I have the same type of
batteries but only get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge
them.  I haven't used your program but am interested if it will
improve my recharge cycle this much.  I am running a DS 32 meg
LX with a 128 meg CF.  Is your machine similarly configured?

DS and 32 MB upgrade "eats" battery.  I think more than 30% that the instructions says.

However, another single speed 200lx with an early Sundisk 10 meg
card needs fresh batteries every 2 to 4 days.  I suspect the
card but it might be a problem with that 200lx.

Try to take all the batteries out for 48 hours (main and backup battery).

Jaime
--=====================_14673299==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:01:11 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: Flashcards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14673369==_.ALT" --=====================_14673369==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:18 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I use SanDisk CompactFlash 128 Mb with PC Card Adapter. My HP 200LX > links to my desktop through USB port. It works >like a big drive. I > haven't any problem. > > > >Huh? Do you mean the sandisk card connects via USB? I ain't never heard a >no 200LX connecting via USB.... unless you got a serial-to-USB thingy. Eduardo: You are right. What I mean is that sandisk card connects my desktop via USB. Jaime --=====================_14673369==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:18 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi,
>I use SanDisk CompactFlash 128 Mb with PC Card Adapter.  My HP 200LX links to my desktop through USB port.  It works >like a big drive.  I haven't any problem.
>

Huh? Do you mean the sandisk card connects via USB? I ain't never heard a no 200LX connecting via USB.... unless you got a serial-to-USB thingy.

Eduardo:
You are right.  What I mean is that sandisk card connects my desktop via USB.

Jaime --=====================_14673369==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:41:17 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14673434==_.ALT" --=====================_14673434==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:37 p.m. 21/06/2002 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: >Welcome aboard, Jaime. I think you'll feel right at home here. Thanks Theodore. Really, I feel like home. Jaime --=====================_14673434==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:37 p.m. 21/06/2002 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

Welcome aboard, Jaime.  I think you'll feel right at home here.

Thanks Theodore.  Really, I feel like home.

Jaime --=====================_14673434==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:48:14 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14673444==_.ALT" --=====================_14673444==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:18 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0400, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: >Welcome aboard. You'll find this list a pretty friendly place except for >the occasional flame war where people call eachother idiots over copyright >law and software piracy (as seems to be going on now). There's also the >occasional compliant about foul language, bad quoting, poor use of the >venacular and off topic posts. These flare-ups tend to last less than two >weeks and will usually come to an immediate end when the moderator starts >smacking noses with a rolled newspaper. > >Enjoy! ;^> Thanks Eduardo. I think everyone of us is busy enough to waste time to fight with another user list. Everyone has common sense and shares our HP experiences. Jaime --=====================_14673444==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:18 p.m. 22/06/2002 -0400, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote:
Welcome aboard. You'll find this list a pretty friendly place except for the occasional flame war where people call eachother idiots over copyright law and software piracy (as seems to be going on now). There's also the occasional compliant about foul language, bad quoting, poor use of the venacular and off topic posts. These flare-ups tend to last less than two weeks and will usually come to an immediate end when the moderator starts smacking noses with a rolled newspaper.

Enjoy! ;^>

Thanks Eduardo.
I think everyone of us is busy enough to waste time to fight with another user list.  Everyone has common sense and shares our HP experiences.

Jaime --=====================_14673444==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:45:52 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: cc: customerservice@accurite.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My biggest beef with Accurite's Customer Service is that they didn't even attempt to solve the problem or help me. They just basically said, "Tough, it's your problem." when there is absolutely nothing I could have done about it. In fact, based on what their website says and what I've read here on the List, I fully expected the Travel Floppy to work with my Doublespeed 200LX. It seems to me that they would want as many people as possible to use and be happy with their products. If a newer driver doesn't work, and an older driver does, they should say so and make the older driver available. Or do anything in their power to fix the newer driver. The bad thing is that they didn't even attempt a solution to the problem. I find this offensive. Do they think so little of their customers that they don't even wish to make an attempt to solve this problem? As I see it, that is poor customer service. After all, the customers are the ones who make it possible for them to stay in business. -- Richard Smith ---------- "There is absolutely no difference between liberalism, socialism, communism, and progressivism. The end result is to establish 'social justice,' but the only system that has been established under that belief system is communism, where everybody has the same of everything." Dr. Balint Vazsonyi, the director of the Center for American Founding, Hungarian-born historian and world-renowned concert pianist. ----- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:33:57 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <3D17F57F.86753207@freeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:04:18 +1200 (NZT) 18m26s ago ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:45:52 -0600, Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > My biggest beef with Accurite's Customer Service is that > they didn't even attempt to solve the problem or help me. Quite possibly it is just too hard to solve. For them, or for anybody. If it were easy someone would have done it. Please accept there could be difficult technical issues involved. > They just basically said, "Tough, it's your problem." > when there is absolutely nothing I could have done about > it. In fact, based on what their website says and what I've > read here on the List, I fully expected the Travel Floppy > to work with my Doublespeed 200LX. Well, it didn't. Tough. I'm sorry if we misled you here. Did you ask here *before* you bought it from ebay? Did you ask the seller if it worked with a doublespeed palmtop? Did you get a manual with it - if so, what did that say? Did you ask Accurite if it would work with a doublespeed palmtop? > It seems to me that they would want as many people as > possible to use and be happy with their products. Ask them. I'm sure they would be delighted if it worked for a doublespeed palmtop. > If a newer driver doesn't work, and an older driver does, > they should say so and make the older driver available. Or > do anything in their power to fix the newer driver. Good God man do you think they work for you???? > The bad thing is that they didn't even attempt a solution > to the problem. I find this offensive. Please give us a break here. Look, did you offer to pay them or something? You want them to do everything in their power for nothing? Well, they did I am sure. They did nothing, for nothing. I don't understand what you mean by "offensive" here. It's just facts!! > Do they think so little of their customers that they don't > even wish to make an attempt to solve this problem? Please don't take this personally - it's just a bit of gear that didn't work. You got it cheap. You didn't even buy it from them. They made it 5 years ago!!!!! > As I see it, that is poor customer service. After all, > the customers are the ones who make it possible for them > to stay in business. Ok, are *you* a customer of theirs? I am sorry I got involved in this. Here in New Zealand if something doesn't work we reach for a piece of number "8" wire and try and fix it . Actually I think Accurite products are excellent. BTW I know I waste bandwidth, and AL will chase me off the list. I hope you are not using any software I wrote - boy I am pleased I never charged for it! I can see why business in the US is pretty radical if all customers make similar demands as you appear to. btw I know you asked me for the older driver I appear to have, in case you need it in the future. Ask somebody else please. Next thing you will be complaining about this or that I failed to fix it or something. bye - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:55:13 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: New HPLX users database MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel, > Hello Yves Leurquin > you get this email, because you are a member of the HPLX users database. Thanks for this great piece of work. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:34:04 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all; If anyone has the Accurite Travel Floppy driver (fdhppalm.sys) that is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes, would you please send it to me? I already have the driver dated 02-18-98 and 8049 bytes in size. I'm hoping to be able to get my Doublespeed Palmtop to work with the older driver. Thanks, and I hope to return the favor sometime. Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:19:38 EDT Reply-To: Colonnar@CS.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Colonna Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.13293d6a.2a49738a_boundary" --part1_12d.13293d6a.2a49738a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of things about Accurite: 1) I had bought an earlier Travel Floppy on eBay that wasn't working. I live not too far from Accurite, so I walked in, brazenly admitted that I had purchased it on eBay and asked if they would check it out. They took the time to verify that both the card and the unit were bad. With that as a confirmation the seller had to (and did) refund my money. I'm sure that they could only afford to extend this kind of time and effort to one of the few walk-ins they never expected to see, but still, to do so to an admitted non-customer was pretty nice. (I did buy their double-slot off their internet site. GUILT, you guess. Wrong, SALE !) 2) My current porblem with a Travel Floppy I put entirely on my shoulders. Because it worked with my laptops, I know its mechanically sound. Accurite's warranty couldn't be expected to apply to LX's with post-manufacture modifications. I'm new, so let me know about any forum layout-protocol violations I've committed. Later, Ron --part1_12d.13293d6a.2a49738a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
            A couple of things about Accurite:

             1)  I had bought an earlier Travel Floppy
            on eBay that wasn't working.  I live not
            too far from Accurite, so I walked in, brazenly
            admitted that I had purchased it on eBay and
            asked if they would check it out.  They took
            the time to verify that both the card and the
            unit were bad.  With that as a confirmation
            the seller had to (and did) refund my money.  
            I'm sure that they could only afford to extend
            this kind of time and effort to one of the few
            walk-ins they never  expected to see, but still,  
            to do so to an admitted non-customer was
            pretty nice.  (I did buy their double-slot off their
            internet site.  GUILT, you guess.  Wrong, SALE !)

            2)  My current porblem with a Travel Floppy I
            put entirely on my shoulders.  Because it worked
            with my laptops, I know its mechanically sound.  
            Accurite's warranty couldn't be expected to
            apply to LX's with post-manufacture modifications.

      I'm new, so let me know about any forum layout-protocol
      violations I've committed.

      Later,  Ron --part1_12d.13293d6a.2a49738a_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:13 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > I guess "reply" is pretty much the only time POST/LX > separates the headers/text and the mail.i does not have a > blank line as separator, it has a single space on the line. that could be the explanation. If there is HEADER CR LF BLANC CR LF BODY then I cannot reply from the exploded digest, but if there is HEADER CR LF BLANC CR LF CR LF BODY that is, if the mail body starts with a CR LF, then I can reply. Al, has there been any change within the last weeks in the way the digest is produced on your mail server? I ask, because I'm sure I was able to reply from an exploded digest. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:35:47 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <17Mm8T-16nFbMC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:22:30 +1200 (NZT) 25m13s ago ... On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:17 +0200, Stefan Peichl wrote: > that could be the explanation. If there is > > HEADER > CR LF BLANC CR LF > BODY > > then I cannot reply from the exploded digest, If there is no "Text:" in the compose screen you can F2 T then ENTER and have a blank screen as a starting point. If you also have $h in the editor line in POST.CFG you can press F7 to see the POST.HED which will have the missing body that you can copy/cut and paste from. But it would be better to have the digest the way it was :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:36:08 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <17Mm8T-16nFbMC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, I hope this comes through the digest explosion as text - I started with a CR LF above ;-) - Tony 01h33m43s ago ... On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:17 +0200, Stefan Peichl wrote: > but if there is > > HEADER > CR LF BLANC CR LF > CR LF > BODY > > that is, if the mail body starts with a CR LF, then I can reply. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:42:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN: ROBONEWS/LX version 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROBONEWS/LX has been updated: A new set of scripts for registered users is at homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ , called nnregscx.zip. Documentaion is in rnewsv2.txt. -Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:50:59 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Tony On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:15:58 +1200, Tony Hutchins wrote: > Stefan sent me an example from the expoded digest - what is > normally a CR after the headers is a space then CR. This > basically removes the "neck" between the headers and the body > - POST.HED shows the body too. So this exmplains at leat why the body text line does not appear if Stefan tries to reply. > This doesn't explain the difference between Avi and I, and you > though - That's another problem - don't know what an cause this, though. Is there _always_ the space-CR combination, also between header and body, or is it only sometimes (for example if the mail comes from Avi and you ;-) )? > in the example I saw your http: line below showed up > as "Text:" - as if POST/LX saw the "--" as a substitute neck > for the message. That's really strange. Even without the digest? Do other people also see this behaviour? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:23:50 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: New member Comments: To: Jaime Zea Yes, welcome! .. although you probably haven't caught us at our best moment. - Longden > >Welcome aboard, Jaime. I think you'll feel right at home here. > > Thanks Theodore. Really, I feel like home. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:08:22 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: ADMIN:RE: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem In-Reply-To: <3D180EDC.8351F38@freeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This thread is also starting to get out of hand. There is nothing worse than getting a new toy, and not having it work as expected...I'm sure we've all been there and can sympathize. Let's remember we are here to help each other...if you have a gripe against another subscriber, send it to me if it an HPLX-L issue, send it privately to them if it is not. THANKS! Al Kind (HPLX-L administrator) Technical Lab Manager, Microchemistry Lab CANR 3113 Horsebarn U4193, Storrs CT 06269-4193 ph (860)486-6126 eFAX (413)826-8780 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:16:40 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uli, > How can I get my mobile GPS-data into the internet > by using the hplx and gsm? Your question is not clear to me. Do you want to upload your tracks to = the internet or do you want to download routing direction from the Internet = to the GPS ? What brand of GPS do you use ? I am using a Garmin eTrex and can have it communicate with the LX using Gardown (sort of). From the LX you can use WWW/LX and the GSM IR port to connect to the internet to upload/download routes or tracks. If indeed you want to track a vehicule, then a setup GPS+LX+GPRS would be = a cheap working solution (GPRS costs about EUR 0.15/10kB in Switzerland). = Yet, I don't know which LX internet application can handle this. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:23:31 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: The Trans PC card MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is another case of blatent false advertising. This is a parallel port card advertised to work with the 200LX and 'your' laptop running Win95/98 using default drivers according to Transmeta's website. Works fine on the LX (relief:) single and double- but I plugged in into my Omnibook 600CT running Windows, followed the directions for installing it and no-go. Doesn't work. Luckily it works in my Libretto.=20 Sure doesn't seem to follow it works in 'your' laptop. Seems it needs certain pcmcia controllers. So try before you buy if possible and only buy things with a thirty day return policy even if it claims it will work with 'your' equipment- because it seems when your dealing with computers they don't care if it works- only if people buy it and can't return it. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:30:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: The Trans PC card In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:23:31 -0500, you wrote: >Here is another case of blatent false advertising. This is a parallel >port card advertised to work with the 200LX and 'your' laptop running >Win95/98 using default drivers according to Transmeta's website. Ooops...Trans Digitals web site. Transmeta makes cpus:). Sorry. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:48:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Battery Life Comments: To: David Heath In-Reply-To: <01ee01c21a40$b37036a0$74af0ad8@downeast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:01:07 -0400, you wrote: >>John Musielewicz wrote: >>Since I increased the charging current of my LX and modified my = charging program Charge to condition my batteries my >battery life has = soared to 26 hours on 1800mAh NiMH batteries as tracked in Battlog... > >John, > >Please share with us what settings you used in your program to achieve = this remarkable battery life. I have the same type of batteries but only= get about 4-5 hours before having to recharge them. I haven't used your= program but am interested if it will improve my recharge cycle this = much. I am running a DS 32 meg LX with a 128 meg CF. Is your machine = similarly configured? > >David I suspect you have an electrical defect somewhere since even without conditioning you should get around 12- 15 hours of battery life with a flash card installed. I have the exact same system that you have although I am using (when I use one) a 440 meg SiliconTech flashe card with the Acecard driver. It works well including normal power savings. However I don't leave the flash card in all the time. I have discussed the 100 mA charge the LX uses with others and we have pretty much come to the consense that it undercharges the higher capacity batteries. NiMH really aren't made to be trickle charged constantly and after a while probably don't take a very good charge. Usually it isn't recommended to trickle charge until you reach 90% capacity or greater. You could try my conditioning program but you should be aware it may not do anything. As I have tested it the amount of increased capacity seem to depend quite a bit on the battery chemistry even between NiMH. GP seem to take it well, Powerex not so well, and those are about all I have tested. HTH John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:00:55 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:56:36 +1200 (NZT) 06h05m37s ago ... On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:50:59 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > This doesn't explain the difference between Avi and I, and you > > though - > > That's another problem - don't know what an cause this, > though. Is there _always_ the space-CR combination, also > between header and body, or is it only sometimes (for > example if the mail comes from Avi and you ;-) )? Always the space > > in the example I saw your http: line below showed up > > as "Text:" - as if POST/LX saw the "--" as a substitute neck > > for the message. > > That's really strange. Even without the digest? Do other people also > see this behaviour? Only with the digest. And in the example I saw the message section before the "--" was found in POST.HED. But you inspired me to change that neck space to "--" in your digest message and then everything was normal. So, I started this message with "--" which should make it replyable in the normal way (without looking to POST.HED), in the exploded digest:) The problem with the neck space as a separator is sometimes continuation lines in headers do begin with a space, but I am not aware of any standard other than having the trully empty line (effectively two CR LF). I did experiment with - and --- but it has to be just -- or in full CR LF DASH DASH CR LF (no spaces anywhere). - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:31:07 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: FLUFF New member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4538976==_.ALT" --=====================_4538976==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 03:53 p.m. 22/06/2002 +0000, Russel wrote: >Since it appears you use and rely on your LX a lot I have 2 >questions for you... > >1. How often do you backup your data, what do you backup and how >do you backup? I backup my data everyday. Before I bought 128 CompactFlash and discovered that my desktop can read it as a another drive, I use a batch file, to back up just all the modified files. Now, I back up full directories. All my data is in a A: drive in the Directory A:\DATA. I have three directories: WP, HP and LAW. In WP directory, I have all my data about wp5.1 In HP directory, I have the following directories: 123, APPT, DB, MEMO, NOTES, PHONE, QUICKEN, and System. Each one of this directories has all of the files with the same type of HP files. In LAW directory, I have in *.txt format all the laws I need. I use LIST 9.0 from Vernon Buerg to read it. It works very fast. Since all my data is in the directory A:\DATA, all I have to do is to backup this full directory once a week and the modifies files everyday. >2. How many LXs do you have? Three (3); 1 DS, 8 Mb; 1 Normal speed, 2 Mb and 1 Normal speedl, 1 Mb I have two 128 Mb compact flash. >I've played TYPER as a game but not long enough to be considered fast. I >can recommend it though, to anyone that wants fun >typing practice on the LX keyboard. TYPER is a challenge to me. When I started to play this game my record was 140 points. At this time my record is 352 points. (it is about 70 words per minute) . I have to reach to 400 (I wish I can do). Jaime Zea --=====================_4538976==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 03:53 p.m. 22/06/2002 +0000, Russel wrote:
Since it appears you use and rely on your LX a lot I have 2
questions for you...

1. How often do you backup your data, what do you backup and how
do you backup?

I backup my data everyday.
Before I bought 128 CompactFlash and discovered that my desktop can read it as a another drive, I use a batch file, to back up just all the modified files.  Now, I back up full directories.

All my data is in a A: drive in the Directory A:\DATA. I have three directories: WP, HP and LAW.

In WP directory, I have all my data about wp5.1

In HP directory, I have the following directories: 123, APPT, DB, MEMO, NOTES, PHONE, QUICKEN, and System.
Each one of this directories has all of the files with the same type of HP files.

In LAW directory, I have in *.txt format all the laws I need. I use LIST 9.0 from Vernon Buerg to read it. It works very fast.

Since all my data is in the directory A:\DATA, all I have to do is to backup this full directory once a week and the modifies files everyday.

2. How many LXs do you have?

Three (3); 1 DS, 8 Mb; 1 Normal speed, 2 Mb and 1 Normal speedl, 1 Mb
I have two 128 Mb compact flash.

I've played TYPER as a game but not long enough to be considered fast. I can recommend it though, to anyone that wants fun
typing practice on the LX keyboard.

TYPER is a challenge to me. When I started to play this game my record was 140 points.
At this time my record is 352 points. (it is about 70 words per minute) . I have to reach to 400 (I wish I can do).

Jaime Zea --=====================_4538976==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:52:06 EDT Reply-To: Colonnar@CS.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Colonna Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.12d5730d.2a4aa276_boundary" --part1_127.12d5730d.2a4aa276_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/02 1:03:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De writes: >Well, you asked for it: Very probably I'm one who minds this more than >most, but it would be nice of you to turn HTML off. Also indentation >doesn't work too well whenever soneone wants to quote you and needs to >make new line breaks. Thanks for the constructive criticisms. Really. I'm very uneducated in the proper format of this kind of forum and welcome comment. Inasmuch as I use Compuserve e-mail for comunication with the List, I'm not sure what I can do about the HTML (I use my desktop or laptop as my primary internet link). Any suggestions ? I'm open to entering the list via another route. The indentation problem I believe I've already mastered. Also, should I have changed the subject to something like ' Formatting protocols for the List' , since we're now off-topic ? Later, Ron --part1_127.12d5730d.2a4aa276_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/02 1:03:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De writes:

>Well, you asked for it: Very probably I'm one who minds this more than
>most, but it would be nice of you to turn HTML off. Also indentation
>doesn't work too well whenever soneone wants to quote you and needs to
>make new line breaks.

Thanks for the constructive criticisms.  Really.  I'm very uneducated in the
proper format of this kind of forum and welcome comment.  
Inasmuch as I use Compuserve e-mail for comunication with the List, I'm
not sure what I can do about the HTML (I use my desktop or laptop as my
primary internet link).  Any suggestions ?  I'm open to entering the list
via another route.
The indentation problem I believe I've already mastered.

Also, should I have changed the subject to something like ' Formatting
protocols for the List' , since we're now off-topic ?

Later, Ron

--part1_127.12d5730d.2a4aa276_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:41:56 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE, mchem1@uconnvm.uconn.edu In-Reply-To: <17Mm8T-16nFbMC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:13 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote: > HEADER > CR LF BLANC CR LF > CR LF > BODY > > that is, if the mail body starts with a CR LF, then I > can reply. Stefan, it seems that *every* blank line in a message is replaced by a single space in the digest. i.e every CR LF CR LF becomes CR LF SPACE CR LF This is only in the message part of the digest (not in the overall headers or summary of messages) > Al, has there been any change within the last weeks in > the way the digest is produced on your mail server? I ask, > because I'm sure I was able to reply from an exploded digest. I found a digest from 2 years ago and it is fine, with preserved CR LF CR LF. Al, it seems that at some point the sofwtare generating the MIME encoded digest started replacing all "CR LF CR LF" with "CR LF space CR LF". This removes the header/body separator in the messages (CR LF CR LF). - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:28:24 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > But you inspired me to change that neck space to "--" in your > digest message and then everything was normal. So, I started > this message with "--" which should make it replyable in the > normal way (without looking to POST.HED), in the exploded > digest:) Tony, this email I'm replying to here was the only one in the whole exploded digest where F3 (Reply) worked. So CR LF DASH DASH CR LF is the solution, and not the additional CR LF only. I saw also "Text:" with Yves Leurquin's message, but the text started somewhere in the middle of the body and not at the beginning. Am I the only one who works with the exploded digest? To me, the digest is the perfect solution to save bandwidth, because the digest is much smaller than the set of individual messages and it helps me to organize my day, because it arrives in the morning (in Europe) and I decide when I want to read it. It also helps to cool down during flame wars, if there are 24 hours between attacks ;-) Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:50 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020625212420.00a07db0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Jaime Zea wrote: > In LAW directory, I have in *.txt format all the laws I need. I use LIST > 9.0 from Vernon Buerg to read it. It works very fast. I use a similar approach, keeping all the FDA regulations pertaining to medical devices in my c:\reg directory with a .txt extension. LIST is a marvelous program, but I'm at v 7.7. Are your files Peruvian law, and in Spanish? -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:56:47 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings again from sunny South Africa :-) Thought I would add my 2c worth to this topic as I have been a XTGOLD fan for many years starting with version 2 through to 4 (the Windows version) and now absolutely happy with the SUPERB clone called ZTREE WIN < Home page http://www.ztree.co./html/ztreewin.htm> developed by Kim Henkel (Zedtek, Inc. email: info@ztree.com). Unfortunately the ZTREE application ONLY works under Windows (see FAQ #17) but for anyone using both environments (DOS on HPLX and Windows on their desk / other machine) and who (like me) are entirely happy using XTREE, then ZTREE WIN is a must! Here are a couple of extracts from relevant documents that hopefully are of interest (Dr. Nat?)... Q17:Does ZTreeWin work in DOS? A: No, ZTreeWin is a Win32 program, and will not run under Win32s with DOS. Q18:Can ZTreeWin be used safely with FAT32? A: Yes! ZTreeWin accesses devices only through the API, so it is fully compatible with FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS (and even HPFS under NT). Q19:How did you get the source code for XTreeGold? A: I didn't! This is completely my own work. Of course, I take no credit for the most of the design. Q20:What is ZTreeWin written in? A: ZTreeWin is about 35,000 lines of C code. Currently compiled with MS Visual C++ 5.0. 3.16 Web Links& --------------+ The ZTreeWin home page and latest version: http://www.ztree.com The Unofficial ZTreeWin home page and forum: http://www.vico1.com ZTree and XTree Hidden Hotkeys: http://www.xtreefanpage.org/lowres/x43hhl.htm Apologies to anyone who feels that this forum is not the place to mention 'Windows' applications... All the best and remember, KEEP SMILING! Nigel R HP95LX User for a LONG time... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:01:34 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <17N969-1eU16OC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:32:26 +1200 (NZT) 01h04m02s ago ... On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:28:24 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote: > So CR LF DASH DASH CR LF is the solution, and not the additional > CR LF only. Stefan, I have configured POSTH to use a "--" line as a "banner" whenever I reply to a message that has "hplx-l" in the Sender: header (case insensitive). So, this one should be "replyable" too. But it does seem like the MIME digest is "broken" by those "space" insertions. > Am I the only one who works with the exploded digest? I used to get it, vis a cs2000 IMAP server but started having problems which were eventualy solved, but meantime I had switched back. > To me, the digest is the perfect solution to save bandwidth, > because the digest is much smaller than the set of individual > messages It certainly is - the full headers are about 2000 bytes whereas in the digest they seem about 200-300 only. But in the digest you don't have the list e-mail address in the headers so I guess it has to be selected. > and it helps me to organize my day, because it arrives in > the morning (in Europe) and I decide when I want to read it. Oh yes I remember that when I was in Europe, like a morning paper :) Here it's an evening edition. > It also helps to cool down during flame wars, if there are > 24 hours between attacks ;-) I should definitely switch to the digest, especially near full moon . - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:15:32 -0500 Reply-To: Jaime Zea Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jaime Zea Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_9650444==_.ALT" --=====================_9650444==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:47 a.m. 26/06/2002 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Jaime Zea wrote: > > > In LAW directory, I have in *.txt format all the laws I need. I use LIST > > 9.0 from Vernon Buerg to read it. It works very fast. > >I use a similar approach, keeping all the FDA regulations pertaining >to medical devices in my c:\reg directory with a .txt extension. LIST >is a marvelous program, but I'm at v 7.7. Great!. You can find List v. 9.0 in S.U.P.E.R download: http://www.palmtop.net/super.html If you want I can send it to you via private mail. >Are your files Peruvian law, and in Spanish? Yes, all of them is Peruvian law. Our official language is Spanish. Regards, Jaime --=====================_9650444==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:47 a.m. 26/06/2002 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Jaime Zea wrote:

> In LAW directory, I have in *.txt format all the laws I need. I use LIST
> 9.0 from Vernon Buerg to read it. It works very fast.

I use a similar approach, keeping all the FDA regulations pertaining
to medical devices in my c:\reg directory with a .txt extension.  LIST
is a marvelous program, but I'm at v 7.7.

Great!.  You can find List v. 9.0 in S.U.P.E.R download:  http://www.palmtop.net/super.html
If you want I can send it to you via private mail.

Are your files Peruvian law, and in Spanish?

Yes, all of them is Peruvian law.  Our official language is Spanish.

Regards,

Jaime --=====================_9650444==_.ALT-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:18:34 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding the question below, the answer is: "Yes!" Let me explain: In order to remain in business, a company needs customers. In order to get and keep customers, a company must do several things, among which are: 1. Have a product that customers or potential customers want or need. 2. Inform customers or potential customers of the product through advertising. 3. Sell that product to customers at a fair price. 4. Help their customers to use the product and get full value from it. 5. Treat customers professionally, with kindness, respect and friendliness. You see, everything centers around the customer. Without customers, a business is guaranteed to fail, that is, go bankrupt, close its doors and make no money. Everything a successful company does is geared toward getting and keeping customers. It is much easier to sell new products to happy and satisfied past customers than it is to get new customers. In that sense, the company works for the customer. The customer is boss. The customer is always right. THAT is good customer service. I am very careful about dealing with any company that does not believe this. In my case, Accurite did not do items 4 & 5, and they are seriously lacking in the areas of items 2 & 3, thus my dissatisfaction with them. I find it baffling that their web site doesn't have more support information, it's all sales information. BTW: would SOMEBODY PLEASE send me the old Travel Floppy driver? If you do, I'll go away for a while! ;-) > Richard Smith wrote >> If a newer driver doesn't work, and an older driver does, >> they should say so and make the older driver available. Or >> do anything in their power to fix the newer driver. > Tony Hutchins wrote: > Good God man do you think they work for you???? -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:27:42 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020626120957.00a002b0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jaime Zea wrote: > Great!. You can find List v. 9.0 in S.U.P.E.R > download: http://www.palmtop.net/super.html > If you want I can send it to you via private mail. Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll pass for now. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:29:54 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Kind, et al; My apologies for harping on this subject so much, I just want certain list members to understand where I'm coming from, to get some help, and to warn others about products and companies that aren't what we might expect them to be.. I would also like to get some help with this problem, despite my opinions about any company or person. As Al said: "Let's remember we are here to help each other.." Would SOMEBODY PLEASE send me the old Travel Floppy driver? -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:48:02 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: AW: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? In-Reply-To: <200206251644.g5PGimZ26856@venus.xoasis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yves wrote: Your question is not clear to me ok, you are right. I have my gps-receiver connected to the hplx e.g. lxgps. Now I want this nmea data transfered to a site e.g. my homepage. Whoever is interested can fetch them there and see where my car is at present time. The only problem is to get this data automaticly transfered from the hplx with ftp into my homepage. I was adviced already to try that with robot. Since I am not very familiar with robot it certainly will take some time to get that working. Are there other proposals? Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:56:13 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 1 of 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, I apologize for the length of this posting. Avi, et al; I fully expected to get a reply such as this (long, strong and articulate) from you, and we can certainly take it off the list if you'd like to discuss it further. And, in general, I agree with you. The mistake I made in that posting was to be too general. Please allow me to clarify. Time will tell if / when MS fails. I believe (as do some state Attorney's General and DOJ employees!) that they are only succeeding because of their unfair competitive practices. I believe that they only care for their customer's wallets, and that's all. It will all one day catch up to them and they will have to change their practices or go out of business. As for a customer getting help from a company in the use of their products. I believe that a customer can and should expect any and all help and assistance in this way, UNLESS the company has declared such help and support to not be included in the purchase price of the product. For instance, if I buy any D&A or MS software, I know by reading the license agreement, manual, or something, that I will have to pay more for help and support beyond a certain number of days. I feel that is fair, since I can decide BEFORE I buy the product if I will need such support, or if I am willing to pay extra for support. You're right "800 number and 24 by 7 support people would have destroyed D&A long ago!" Just as it destroyed WordPerfect, which is why I no longer work for them. Such support is no longer practical and informed customers and users no longer expect it. That's why I am not looking for an 800 support number for Accurite at 1:00 am! I'm just looking for a polite answer to my questions within a week or so, and the ability to make an informed purchase decision. (It took them over a week to send me a curt 'no', with no interim answer to let me know if they had even received my question or that they were researching the problem, and there is no support information on their web site.) You said, "Unless the customers are abusive and disrespectful of the resources they use." I also agree here. The only excuse for rudeness is rudeness. Everyone (customer, owner or employee) has an obligation to treat other people (customers, owners or employees) with kindness and respect, but is justified in being rude if they are treated rudely. > There are many more OTHER reason to bankrupt a business - WITH or WITHOUT > customers. Obviously so. I was just making a point in relation to my argument. > >Everything a successful company does is geared toward getting and keeping > >customers. Yes, but can you think of any successful company that doesn't treat their customers well? (Besides MS, I've already addressed that.) > >In that sense, the company works for the customer. > > There, this is the spot when you reach really far, really out there. The > business works first and foremost(!) for its owners (that is owners, and/or > shareholders). EVERYTHING else is secondary. This is what's wrong with capitalism that is unchecked by "humanity". While I certainly feel that capitalism is a better economic system than anything else out there, capitalism alone is greedy, wasteful, and morally dangerous. It must include an element of care for people and regard for the rest of the world in order to not become a moral detriment to society. (Just my opinion.) > >THAT is good customer service. > > THAT is good politics with the customer. You are confusing support with PR. ANY association with the customer includes PR and politics, whether the person is a techie or a salesperson, or both. You may personally hate your customer, but if you still treat them with kindness and respect they will continue to give you their money. It may seem immoral or unethical to act one way and feel another, but it's the lesser of two evils. There is no reason to be rude to someone just because the two of you have conflicting personalities. (Just an example, since we know that Avi gets along well with everyone ) continued... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:57:42 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... continuation: > Good service is to get things to the customer on time, without mistakes, > fix problems in existing product (Do not confuse this with adding features > to make it work in ways it was not designed!) I agree. I am not angry at Accurite for not supporting DS palmtops, I am angry at them for taking a week to tell me, in essence, "too d@#n bad". And, I fully expected the Travel Floppy to work with my DS Palmtop, based on what I found on Tom Rundel's web site, on the List, and other places on the WWW. NOTHING on Accurite's web site refers to ANYTHING having to do with DS palmtops; thus making a fully informed purchase impossible, and forcing me to have to look all over creation for a solution to a problem that I wouldn't have if they had simply said "The Travel Floppy does not work with HP Palmtops that have been modified to run faster than originally designed by HP." on their web site. If they had said something like that on their web site I would not have purchased the Travel Floppy, whether from someone on eBay or from them directly. I was under the impression that it would work, based in the information I had from the research that I had done. THAT'S why I'm angry with Accurite. I'm also frustrated at not finding an answer to my problem, and some other things having to do with a certain other list member who shall remain nameless. > Possibly the cost for #4 is too high. About #5 they sent you a nice letter > I thought. Clear communication and courteous, not quite what you wanted to > hear though, too bad. The costs may be too high, but I wish they'd say SOMETHING about it on their web site. > I am not sure about informing. They have reasonable ads. And they told you > in a letter too. Re number 3 - you have no leg to stand on, I think. Didn't > you buy the floppy through Ebay? The price they set for their product is > their business, not yours. NO ONE forces you to buy, hence you cannot use > the "unfairness" argument. > > If you did not buy the device from them, then frankly you are unjustifiably > flapping your gums in the wind... Perhaps so, but I still deserve to be treated kindly and respectfully, and I don't feel they did that. (Again, my opinion.) > Why should they? If their cost is too high it makes no sense. What would > you say if they raised their prices by $100 (assuming this will cover the > extra costs!) and DID put extensive support and an 800 number 24 by 7? You > would not buy their products! And probably be dissatisfied because their > price is too high and "grossly" unfair, not just a mere "unfair". Now you're taking it to the opposite extreme. I'm not asking for 800 #'s and 24x7, I'm asking for a few more HTML pages, which might take up another megabyte, and an answer, or acknowledgment in less than a week! > I think the best would be a floppy for $15.00 which works on ALL PALMTOPS - > guaranteed, and a 50MB website with LOTS AND LOTS of support, and a 800 > number functioning 24 by 7 manned by the best techies money can buy. That would be great, but we all know that's unrealistic, now isn't it. > Then you will wake up from that illusion with the hard bang of reality > striking you full force in the forehead. OUCH! That always hurts. > Avi Thanks, Avi. Nice talking to you! Now, in order to not be hated by the rest of the list and not to be kicked off the list by our "Kind" administrator, I will no longer discuss this subject on the list. I will, however, post once more with a (short) resolution to the problem, if one is to be found, for the benefit of the list. Sorry for the long post. I'm done. -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:52:25 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem (LONG) Comments: To: Richard and Patti Smith In-Reply-To: <3D1A285B.5902859B@freeport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My post to you was rejected by HPLX List. Well, the hell with it, I have no particular need to post it in public, besides, your reply posted some of it anyway ... This post will probably be accepted... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:50:21 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: Richard and Patti Smith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Patti Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) I think you have a strange idea about how business works. Your view describes an ideal. The way we would all like to see it work. But we live in a business environment where the man making the decisions has, and can only have, one criteria: how does this make him look to the stockholders. Does this maximize their return. If he doesn't put that first he can go to prison. And if he doesn't put that first he'll be without a job soon. If making you happy puts more money in the stockholder's pocket, fine. If he has any sense he'll probably want to put some effort into that. But if you're dealing with a corporation that just can't be their first priority. In the past few years companies have been reducing their customer service pretty drastically. Customers are considered statistically. The guy who deals with you as an individual, in most companies, has very little to say about anything. I certainly agree that things should be as you say. But they aren't usually. Avi can afford to give personal service. He's an individual and he answers mainly to himself. Besides, how much can his time be worth? :) I guess I don't like it any more than you do. But it's not anybody's fault. It's the way we, as a society, are doing things at the moment. The guy that gives you poor service probably bitches about the guy who gives him poor service. And so it goes. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:42:38 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: cc: Tony Hutchins , Mack Baggette , Avi Meshar , jonathan_miller@thaddeus.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all; I contacted Accurite and got the older fdhppalm.sys driver dated 02-05-97 and 9186 bytes in size. It had the same result: the 200LX locked up hard and required Ctrl+Shift+ON to reboot. Disappointing, yes, but I made the purchase. Oh, well. I have tried everything I or anyone else can think of, except sending the 200LX to Thaddeus and having the speed crystal downgraded, which, I think, I'd rather not do, but am still considering. (Unless anyone else has any more brilliant ideas, or will write a patch for the driver?) Just remember, officially, for the record: * The Accurite Travel Floppy does NOT work with a Doublespeed upgraded 200LX! * Any that do happen to work are looked upon with favor by the Computing Gods and in the possession of those luckier than I. That's the only explanation I can find. For those who haven't done it yet, I suggest you think long and hard about getting the Doublespeed upgrade. If I find any way, I'll let the List know I apologize for making this such a big deal and taking up so much bandwidth on the List with my childish rantings. And, I guess Accurite isn't so evil, it was my fault, not theirs. I think I'll just shut up and quietly lurk for a while.... Regards, Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:46:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002301c21d5b$8cc5d500$4d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:50:21 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard and Patti Smith" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:57 PM >Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) > >I think you have a strange idea about how business works. Your >view describes an ideal. The way we would all like to see it >work. But we live in a business environment where the man >making the decisions has, and can only have, one criteria: how >does this make him look to the stockholders. Does this maximize >their return. > And happy customers maximize the profits of the company with a good rep and repeat business plus new customers which (hopefully) increases sales blah blah blah. In the end the stock price goes up. So where's the strange idea ? Or maybe you think unhappy customers increase profits?=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:31:28 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) > And happy customers maximize the profits of the company with a good > rep and repeat business plus new customers which (hopefully) increases > sales blah blah blah. In the end the stock price goes up. So where's > the strange idea ? You're correct. Making your customers happy is an important way to make money. You can do that by giving good service and providing a good product. And if you decide to cut costs, you can either lower your salary or reduce your customer service or the quality of your product. The second two methods are probably the most effective for cutting costs and the first method is rather undesirable. But you still want happy customers. So you tell your PR people to make people think you give great service and your product is better than ever. Within limits, they can do that. If you want to sell more, you can improve your product or improve your marketing. The second is probably more effective and probably less expensive. Then there's the lesson of Chef Boy-ar-dee. They were a small local canned spaghetti maker in one of the states. I forget which. And they prided themselves on have a truly superior product. And they had an idea. Experiment with the formula and see how sales are affected. So they started making all kinds of taste improvements. And each time sales were negatively affected. Seeing a possible lesson there, they removed as much taste as possible and made it as bland as they could. Sales soared. And that's the story of how Chef Boy-ar-dee became the best selling brand of canned spaghetti. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:02:23 -0500 Reply-To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tom Salwasser Subject: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. Have you tried rebooting your doublespeed lx without the doublespeed driver? If the T.F. then works, you could use boot menu software to optionally load the Travel Floppy drivers when needed. I do this now to optionally load my network drivers. > * The Accurite Travel Floppy does NOT work with a Doublespeed > upgraded 200LX! * ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:45:23 -0700 Reply-To: Willnotreply GMX Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Willnotreply GMX Subject: Re: AW: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume you are not an amateur radio operator. There is a way to report GPS position using the amateur radio service for many years already: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=k4hg-8 http://www.findu.com/ May be this is an incentive for you to become an amateur radio operator. Best Regards, Alfred Lee -----Original Message----- From: Uli Allen To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: AW: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? >Yves wrote: Your question is not clear to me > >ok, you are right. I have my gps-receiver connected to the hplx e.g. >lxgps. Now I want this nmea data transfered to a site e.g. my homepage. >Whoever is interested can fetch them there and see where my car is >at present time. >The only problem is to get this data automaticly transfered from the >hplx with ftp into my homepage. >I was adviced already to try that with robot. Since I am not very >familiar with robot it certainly will take some time to get that >working. >Are there other proposals? >Uli > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:49:55 -0400 Reply-To: Ulrich Allen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ulrich Allen Subject: Re: AW: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable k4hg-8 wrote: I assume you are not an amateur radio operator You assume wrong. I am an amateur radio operator (DL1ER-9) and I am responsible for an APRS digipeater (DB0KX-2). (and I am chairman of the regional examin board hi). In certain areas APRS it is not very reliable though cheap. For private and commercial use I want to have a similar system and let the HPLX do the trick. Anyway thanks for the hint. Uli DL1ER ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:25:56 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: AW: Vehicle tracking with HPLX-GSM/GPRS? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:48:02 +0200, Uli Allen wrote: > The only problem is to get this data automaticly transfered from the > hplx with ftp into my homepage. I assume your web page has a link to "gps.dat" (just an example) - If WWW/LX is connected to your ISP then - this will ftp a:\gps\data\gps.dat to "uli.ftp.site": ftp uli.ftp.site uli.ftp where uli.ftp contains: uli_login uli_password lcd a:\gps\data put gps.dat quit But I am sure you knew this Do you have a manual method of doing the upload that you want to fully automate and govern with some timing controls? > I was adviced already to try that with robot. Since I am > not very familiar with robot it certainly will take some > time to get that working. robot would still have to use ftp.exe at some point? What would you need robot to do - just provide a timing loop? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:54:16 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Richard, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:42:38 -0600, Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > Any that do happen to work are looked upon with favor by the Computing > Gods and in the possession of those luckier than I. That's the only > explanation I can find. For those who haven't done it yet, I suggest > you think long and hard about getting the Doublespeed upgrade. If I > find any way, I'll let the List know How old is your upgrade? Older upgrades had different hardware, I think Thaddeus used a quartz which had the 31.xxx MHz not as their base frequency, but as a harmonic, and then used a high pass filter to eliminate the lower frequencies. I could imagine that this could cause hardware isssues. Do you have the change to try another (maybe newer) upgraded palmtop? Or have you tried different speed upgrade drivers? (CLKUP32.sys, DSPEED.sys and SPD31.exe/.sys)? > I apologize for making this such a big deal and taking up so much > bandwidth on the List with my childish rantings. And, I guess Accurite > isn't so evil, it was my fault, not theirs. I think I'll just shut up > and quietly lurk for a while.... Do you think you have to punish yourself now? You have apologized - that's fine. Let's forget about it. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:04:19 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > If anyone has the Accurite Travel Floppy driver (fdhppalm.sys) > that is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes, would you please > send it to me? Sent. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:17:00 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001101c21d82$d2eb86c0$4d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:31:28 -0500, you wrote: >Then there's the lesson of Chef Boy-ar-dee. They were a small >local canned spaghetti maker in one of the states. I forget >which. And they prided themselves on have a truly superior >product. And they had an idea. Experiment with the formula and >see how sales are affected. > >So they started making all kinds of taste improvements. And >each time sales were negatively affected. Seeing a possible >lesson there, they removed as much taste as possible and made it >as bland as they could. Sales soared. > >And that's the story of how Chef Boy-ar-dee became the best >selling brand of canned spaghetti. What's amazing is there are a lot people that eat that. Oh, it is completely gross. You just took away my appeitite thinking of that stuff. Boxed macaroni and cheese has more taste. At leqast you get a kind of cheesy taste even if its not real cheese. Most mass marketed food has very little taste except maybe with salt or sugar. It might be popular but its still disgusting to eat.=20 I suppose they learned that from chef boyo gross dee. John > >Barry > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:55:10 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the Smiths wrote: >If anyone has the Accurite Travel Floppy driver (fdhppalm.sys) >that is dated "02-05-97" and is 9186 bytes, would you please send it .. as long as you leave my Tony at peace :) >you asked me for the older driver I appear to have, in case you need >it in the future. Ask somebody else please. Next thing you >will be complaining about this or that I failed to fix it or something. >bye- Tony the Smiths: >I'm hoping to be able to get my Doublespeed Palmtop to work with >the older driver. my driver is dated 01-17-95 6:49a with 8,490 bits - works like a charm Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:56:34 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, > Am I the only one who works with the exploded digest? To me, > the digest is the perfect solution to save bandwidth, because > the digest is much smaller than the set of individual messages > and it helps me to organize my day, because it arrives in the > morning (in Europe) and I decide when I want to read it. I have been using the Digest format ever since I have subscribed to this list. I am using WWW/LX and Post/LX ver 3 and now reply to your message = with no problem. Yet, I don't know why my setup works and not yours. If you want I can = send you privately my configuration files. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:52:05 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:55:10 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > as long as you leave my Tony at peace :) _our_ Tony, please! ;-) -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:52:06 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan and Yves On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:56:34 +0100, Yves Leurquin wrote: > I have been using the Digest format ever since I have subscribed to this > list. I am using WWW/LX and Post/LX ver 3 and now reply to your message with > no problem. Maybe the digest can be configured to be coded in different ways? Have a look at the list's refcard. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:38:04 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <200206280624.g5S6OSZ07812@venus.xoasis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:23:01 +1200 (NZT) 26m27s ago ... On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:56:34 +0100, Yves Leurquin wrote: > I have been using the Digest format ever since I have subscribed to = this > list. I am using WWW/LX and Post/LX ver 3 and now reply to your message = with > no problem. Yves, do you have ExplodeDigest=3D1 in your POST.CFG? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:01:19 +0000 Reply-To: Gregory Youdin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gregory Youdin Subject: REX5000 &200LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello LX People! I have a question for you. I happened to own REX5000 and 200LX. I've found some interesting info regarding synking REX-3 and LX on Daniel's page, but couldn't find anything about REX5000. Does anyone happened to know any news regarding REX5000 and 200LX synchronization or any one way data transfer? Thank you in advance. Best regards, Grigory _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:16:22 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: OT: CF card for MP3 player MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi friends, sorry for this off-topic. I thought some of you might have valuable knowledge: I'm looking for a CF card for my new MP3 player. Now I'd like to know which brand is most recommended for that purpose. Priority would clearly be a low power reqirement, reading / writing speed is not that important (writing speed more than reading speed). Price is of course also important. I would rather pay not so much, but if necessary, I would pay for a Sandisk. What else could be important? Reliability? Are there still serious differences? I'm thinking about 192 MB or 256 MB. Thanks Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:09:31 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: REX5000 &200LX Comments: To: g_youdin@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: from "Gregory Youdin" at Jun 28, 2002 09:01:19 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have a question for you. I happened to own REX5000 and 200LX. I've found > some interesting info regarding synking REX-3 and LX on Daniel's page, but > couldn't find anything about REX5000. > Does anyone happened to know any news regarding REX5000 and 200LX > synchronization or any one way data transfer? The file format of the 500 is encrypted in some unknown manner. I was not able to figure it out. In fact, I did not figure out the 300's format completely. You can down/up load the entire binary image of the 500 to/from the HP200LX, but this is of very limited usefulness. -Chris -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:24:58 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Native USB for 200LX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Is there any hope for USB use on 200LX? I mean PCMCIA USB card plugging into the HPLX, operating with DOS drivers, so you can print, scan, use modem / ethernet, play sound via usb speaker, attach webcam or CD-writer / ZIP-drive / Compactflash disk. Obviously a huge task to implement and maybe impossible. I have found these software on the Net: Pascal unit allow initialization and control of the USB host under in DOS, works only in real-mode - but contains some 32-bit plain ASM code for port manipulation. And binaries usb_aspi.sys, usb_cd.sys, ramfd.sys, usb_ohci.exe, usb_uhci.exe Hardware-wise, there don't seem to be many 16-bit based (PCMCIA 2.x / CompactFlash slot) USB cards, despite the plenty of CardBus offerings. I found this non-solution: Socket Communications Corp. "USB ActiveSync card" - SOCK030017 For running ActiveSync only - cannot be used for attaching USB peripherals! However not all hope is lost, I found this report: "Graduate Project in Ultrasonic Inspection - Part2: USB Development Initially, USB communications were developed using a USB ISA card developed by Novatex research. The card contains a USB device controller which can be written to via the memory mapped IO space of a PC running in DOS mode. In this fashion, the firmware for the device controller could be developed incrementally in a similar fashion to programming UARTs. Interrupts were used to signal communications events to the PC." If it can be done in ISA bus, technically speaking it can be done in plain PCMCIA format as well. Maybe it would cost more than ISA, but that's all. However this Novatex firm is located Down Under and I found no info on their webpage. Have just sent them an e-mail. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:10:55 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Then there's the lesson of Chef Boy-ar-dee. They were a small >>local canned spaghetti maker in one of the states. I forget >>which. And they prided themselves on have a truly superior >>product. And they had an idea. Experiment with the formula and >>see how sales are affected. >> >>So they started making all kinds of taste improvements. And >>each time sales were negatively affected. Seeing a possible >>lesson there, they removed as much taste as possible and made it >>as bland as they could. Sales soared. >> > Most mass marketed food has very little taste except maybe with salt > or sugar. It might be popular but its still disgusting to eat.=20 > As a marketing professional (shields up!), I can assure you that this is exactly right. To appeal to the maximum number of people, you must remove from your product anything that appeals only to a specific group. You and I might like onions, but most people don't. So remove from your recipe to appeal to more people. The same goes for garlic, mushrooms, oregano ...the list goes on. The more specific tastes you remove, the more people your recipe appeals to. It seems that salt, sugar, MSG, cream and possibly very mild cheese and very mild tomato tastes are the only options that survive mass appeal. And I've just described every fast food there is. Now, class, here's your assignment: Describe how this insight applies to the mass appeal of Windows. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:37:58 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: OT: CF card for MP3 player > Hi friends, > > sorry for this off-topic. I thought some of you might have valuable > knowledge: > > I'm looking for a CF card for my new MP3 player. > Now I'd like to know which brand is most recommended for that purpose. > > Priority would clearly be a low power reqirement, reading / writing > speed is not that important (writing speed more than reading speed). > Price is of course also important. I would rather pay not so much, but > if necessary, I would pay for a Sandisk. > > What else could be important? Reliability? Are there still serious > differences? > > I'm thinking about 192 MB or 256 MB. I found a 256 meg Sandisk on Ebay for $90. That was a few months ago. I don't know current prices. At the time most of them were about $150 but by watching kind of close and bidding carefully I got this. I bought it to use with a Nex II player and that's a fairly nice combination for audiobooks. Amazon has new ones for $119. I think at that time they were $159, which was still cheaper than most went for on Ebay. I was going to buy one from Amazon if I couldn't find a good deal on Ebay. I also bought a 32 meg SimpleTech comact flash card on Ebay for $10. I just got it because of the price. I use it to carry extra stuff with me. Short stories or OTR shows or music, usually. I'm glad I got it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:09:16 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: FLUFF: OT: Marketing/Sales.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quick response to Bruce's: >As a marketing professional (shields up!) Was a marketing/PR guy; now in sales... In my last sales job (newspaper advertising), the editor and I were friends and used to "kid" one another. The best "zing" he got me with was while giving a group of school children an after-school tour.... He was taking them to the advertising graphics dept., passed me on the way there and kept his travel-log going, "Now kids, that's a 'salesman' be very careful not to make direct eye contact...." The only thing I could say was, "That's right, or I may very well sell you the hats you're wearing...." --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:50:08 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK! OK! I'll leave Tony alone, as long as he leaves me alone. It seems best that we just ignore/avoid one another so as not to get into another argument (like why he feels the need to take it upon himself to police my actions, thoughts and feelings!). Anyway, last word on the subject. If anyone wants to help me with my Travel Floppy and HP200LX problem they'll have my gratitude. If you don't want to help me, then that's OK, too, you're free to decide as you wish. Frankly, I've given up on it, and prefer to be left alone. BTW: I've had considerable more communication with Elizabeth at Accurite and she has done very well and given me friendly and professional customer service. We still didn't solve the problem, but I'm confident that she has made an effort to help. I can ask for no more. I'll shut up now. Regards, Richard Daniel Hertrich wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:55:10 +0200, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > > > as long as you leave my Tony at peace :) > > _our_ Tony, please! ;-) > > -- > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:35:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Native USB for 200LX? Comments: To: Feher Tamas In-Reply-To: <077501c21ea7$32f872b0$162fa8c0@2fkft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no hope for a 16 bit card if you want to buy one off the shelf. Nobody makes them. However 16 bit USB 1 is possible and maybe 16 bit usb2 but it would be a mite slow compared to 32 bit. On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:24:58 +0200, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Is there any hope for USB use on 200LX? I mean PCMCIA USB card plugging = into the >HPLX, operating with DOS drivers, so you can print, scan, use modem / = ethernet, >play sound via usb speaker, attach webcam or CD-writer / ZIP-drive / >Compactflash disk. Obviously a huge task to implement and maybe = impossible. > >I have found these software on the Net: >Pascal unit allow initialization and control of the USB host under in = DOS, works >only in real-mode - but contains some 32-bit plain ASM code for port >manipulation. And binaries usb_aspi.sys, usb_cd.sys, ramfd.sys, = usb_ohci.exe, >usb_uhci.exe > >Hardware-wise, there don't seem to be many 16-bit based (PCMCIA 2.x / >CompactFlash slot) USB cards, despite the plenty of CardBus offerings. I= found >this non-solution: > >Socket Communications Corp. "USB ActiveSync card" - SOCK030017 >For running ActiveSync only - cannot be used for attaching USB = peripherals! > >However not all hope is lost, I found this report: > >"Graduate Project in Ultrasonic Inspection - Part2: USB Development >Initially, USB communications were developed using a USB ISA card = developed by >Novatex research. The card contains a USB device controller which can be= written >to via the memory mapped IO space of a PC running in DOS mode. In this = fashion, >the firmware for the device controller could be developed incrementally = in a >similar fashion to programming UARTs. Interrupts were used to signal >communications events to the PC." > >If it can be done in ISA bus, technically speaking it can be done in = plain >PCMCIA format as well. Maybe it would cost more than ISA, but that's = all. >However this Novatex firm is located Down Under and I found no info on = their >webpage. Have just sent them an e-mail. > >Sincerely: Tamas Feher. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:39:28 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <200206280624.g5S6OSZ07812@venus.xoasis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:19:23 +1200 (NZT) 16h22m49s ago ... On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:56:34 +0100, Yves Leurquin wrote: > I have been using the Digest format ever since I have > subscribed to this list. I am using WWW/LX and Post/LX ver > 3 and now reply to your message with no problem. Yves - I just tested exploding the MIME digest and it works here too. Stefan, does it work for you now? Here all CRLF CRLF come through as is. I sent a messsage to listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu asking: set hplx-l dig set hplx-l nodig This gave me an immediate digest, and then put me back on regular mail - a way to get a digest_on_demand :) It works the other way too- i.e.- if you are on the digest and are want to preview the current partial or "accrued" digest for today just ask set hplx-l nodig set hplx-l dig Al, the listserv serves well! :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:04:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:10:55 -0400, you wrote: >> >Then there's the lesson of Chef Boy-ar-dee. They were a small >>>local canned spaghetti maker in one of the states. I forget >>>which. And they prided themselves on have a truly superior >>>product. And they had an idea. Experiment with the formula and >>>see how sales are affected. >>> >>>So they started making all kinds of taste improvements. And >>>each time sales were negatively affected. Seeing a possible >>>lesson there, they removed as much taste as possible and made it >>>as bland as they could. Sales soared. >>> >> Most mass marketed food has very little taste except maybe with salt >> or sugar. It might be popular but its still disgusting to eat.=3D20 >> > >As a marketing professional (shields up!), I can assure you that this is >exactly right. To appeal to the maximum number of people, you must = remove >from your product anything that appeals only to a specific group. You = and I >might like onions, but most people don't. So remove from your recipe to >appeal to more people. The same goes for garlic, mushrooms, oregano = ...the >list goes on. The more specific tastes you remove, the more people your >recipe appeals to. It seems that salt, sugar, MSG, cream and possibly = very >mild cheese and very mild tomato tastes are the only options that = survive >mass appeal. And I've just described every fast food there is. Thank god for resterants where food is properly seasoned and good to eat. Otherwise a person would have to cook to avoid this mass marketed yuck. What's really bad is hershey and other companies put too much sugar in chocolate bars. You can hardly taste the chocolate. At least you can get good chocolate in europe and some of it is imported. I think sometimes they americanize it though and make it nasty. > >Now, class, here's your assignment: Describe how this insight applies to >the mass appeal of Windows. I would not apply the question to just windows but the whole of technology and science. Windows is simply a reflection of that. It is a sign of deeper problems. Why does technology have such a mass ap;peal. There is little interesting about it. Maybe that's why. When you are in the throes of religous worship you want your gods to be safe.=20 John > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Bruce in Toronto > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:34:29 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and DS32 Comments: To: Richard and Patti Smith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > then turn the 200LX back on. In Filer, it shows an additional > drive, drive G:. But when I go to the DOS prompt and type "G:" > it locks up. > > Any ideas? I don't know if this has been solved - I've been on vacation for two weeks. Does config.sys need a lastdrive statement? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:36:51 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Travel Floppy and DS32 Comments: To: fjkaufman@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, config.sys has a lastdrive statement already. Thanks anyway. You've missed all the fun, this has been discussed, worked over, postulated and everything else but solved. Regards, Richard fjkaufman@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > then turn the 200LX back on. In Filer, it shows an additional > > drive, drive G:. But when I go to the DOS prompt and type "G:" > > it locks up. > > > > Any ideas? > > I don't know if this has been solved - I've been on vacation for two > weeks. > > Does config.sys need a lastdrive statement? -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:39:43 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Where does one get the LXEN2216 driver? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, As if I didn't have enough "trouble" on my hands . I finally decided to get an Ethernet card for my LX (I'm still trying to refine some settings and haven't gotten them right; so I want to complicate things soon ). I picked up the "Ruggedized Low Power Ethernet CF Card," made by Socket based on Kevin Miller's post saying he's using one of them in a CF adapter and it works fine for him [I bought part # EA2902-139, although I think Kevin was using: EA0914-337, I think the dif. is whether or not it comes w/ a CF adapter.]. He said he used the following to make it work: >LXCIC <-- card services >LXEN2216 <-- ne2000 compatible driver >LXTCP <-- tcpip network stack >WWW/LX <-- web browser Well I have or can find everything but the 2216 driver. I've hunted thru Super and a handful of LX sites.... Also, Daniel, if you're "listening," I'd love to see some more pointers on how you've configured your Post/ and WWW/LX to use multiple ways to access the net. In my case I'd only be using my cell as an external modem [it's a simple Sprint thing that lets you pretend your cell phone is a modem, pretty simple to set up but only 14.4 :-( ] and the Ethernet card, I don't think I'm ready for MochaPPP and Internet sharing yet :-) TIA to all for any help. --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:11:13 +0200 Reply-To: Laust Brock-Nannestad Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Laust Brock-Nannestad Subject: Re: Where does one get the LXEN2216 driver? In-Reply-To: <000301c21f05$7a7ff960$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Tim wrote: > Well I have or can find everything but the 2216 driver. I've hunted thru > Super and a handful of LX sites.... Rod Whitby's driver can be found here: http://lxeth.hplx.net/ If memory serves. Regards, Laust ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:45:27 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Fluff: Omnibboks (was: RE: The Trans PC card Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your OB 600CT is like the 600C then it has a totally non-standard = PCMCIA controller. That's why linux has limited value on the 600C and is = why I finally went to an 800CT. I was debating between a Libretto 50 and = the 800CT and am so glad I went with the 800CT. I like the 50ct mouse = pointer better for on-the-couch surfing but the 800ct paw mouse is much = better on a flat surface.=20 Other than that the 800ct is cheaper, has much better display and is = faster (altho some lib 50s are very happy running overclocked at = 133mhz). It's a lot bigger tho as the lib 50 is really tiny. I had a lib = 50 for a while at a previous job. The other thing I like about the lib = 50 is you can easily switch hard drives without having to crack open the = case. That's also the nice thing about the 600c's type-3 PCMCIA drive. I use my 800ct with a wireless card. It's awesome to have such a = portable internet appliance with instant on/off. BTW: Does the lib 50 have instant on/off? snip > Works fine on the LX (relief:) single and double- but I plugged in > into my Omnibook 600CT running Windows, followed the directions for > installing it and no-go. Doesn't work. Luckily it works in my > Libretto.=20 >=20 > Sure doesn't seem to follow it works in 'your' laptop. Seems it needs > certain pcmcia controllers. snip ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:35:24 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > Stefan, does it work for you now? Here all CRLF CRLF come > through as is. It only worked after your recommendation: > set hplx-l nodig > set hplx-l dig So I think, I receive now a somehow different digest after my new "subscription". Tony, thank you so much for your help! Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:05:11 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Does anyone want a LED light? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi friends, is anyone interested in buying a LED light for the palmtop? I'm considering to make some more of them and sell them, as usual, for 35 US$ + shipping anywhere in the world. I don't know yet if I'll make more lights, but if there is enough demand, maybe... Info about the light on http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/ledlight GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:46:48 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: IR printing to HP2100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone :-) I am using a HP LaserJet 2100 printer (temporary loan whilst my 2P/3P gets fixed!) and note that it has IR capabilities. Does anyone know if / how I can print to this printer directly from the HP95LX using IR? All ideas comments welcome. Remember to KEEP SMILING! Nigel R in sunny South Africa ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:35:36 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) > Thank god for resterants where food is properly seasoned and good to > eat. Otherwise a person would have to cook to avoid this mass marketed > yuck. What's really bad is hershey and other companies put too much > sugar in chocolate bars. You can hardly taste the chocolate. At least > you can get good chocolate in europe and some of it is imported. I > think sometimes they americanize it though and make it nasty. Hershey still makes their semi-sweet chocolate although it's kind of hard to find nowadays. They also make one called "dark chocolate" that has far less sugar, and no milk. It's the milk I especially dislike. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:38:26 -0400 Reply-To: Sales@Systems-Consulting.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Systems-Consulting Subject: Re: Does anyone want a LED light? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For what its worth - I have two of Daniel's lights and they are great! Thanks, Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting here since 1992 89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 tel:(860)627-5393 web: http://Systems-Consulting.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:01:24 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony, > Yves, do you have > ExplodeDigest=3D1 > in your POST.CFG? Yes I do. I used to use "Readmail" (on SUPER) to read the digests and = only switched to WWW/LX+Post/LX when I discovered the ExplodeDigest feature. Also, I think I set the digest to MIME format sometime somehow. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:54:49 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Fluff: Omnibboks (was: RE: The Trans PC card Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:45:27 -0400, you wrote: >If your OB 600CT is like the 600C then it has a totally non-standard = PCMCIA controller. That's why linux has limited value on the 600C and is = why I finally went to an 800CT. I was debating between a Libretto 50 and = the 800CT and am so glad I went with the 800CT. I like the 50ct mouse = pointer better for on-the-couch surfing but the 800ct paw mouse is much = better on a flat surface.=20 > >Other than that the 800ct is cheaper, has much better display and is = faster (altho some lib 50s are very happy running overclocked at 133mhz).= It's a lot bigger tho as the lib 50 is really tiny. I had a lib 50 for a= while at a previous job. The other thing I like about the lib 50 is you = can easily switch hard drives without having to crack open the case. = That's also the nice thing about the 600c's type-3 PCMCIA drive. > >I use my 800ct with a wireless card. It's awesome to have such a = portable internet appliance with instant on/off. > > >BTW: Does the lib 50 have instant on/off? > Not like the omnibooks but it does have a stand by mode that is a little like it. It takes longer to come back than the omnibook but it does work well enough so a person can use the libretto as a pda. John > >snip >> Works fine on the LX (relief:) single and double- but I plugged in >> into my Omnibook 600CT running Windows, followed the directions for >> installing it and no-go. Doesn't work. Luckily it works in my >> Libretto.=20 >>=20 >> Sure doesn't seem to follow it works in 'your' laptop. Seems it needs >> certain pcmcia controllers. > >snip > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Anyone have "News2.exe" ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I'm reconfiguring my "back-up" LX to a "clean" slate . . . My original Post/ and WWW/LX refer to a news2.exe to get newsgroups, etc., BUT this file seems to be missing. Did it come in an older ver. of WWW/LX or was I supposed to find it somewhere? TIA for any info. --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:16:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem In-Reply-To: <3D17A940000883A6@freesurfmta01.sunrise.ch> (added by MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:06:11 +1200 (NZT) 04h04m47s ago ... On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:01:24 +0100, Yves Leurquin wrote: > > Yves, do you have ExplodeDigest=3D1 in your POST.CFG? > Yes I do. Yves, most interesting - so your MIME digest has always been fine then! Stefan got his digest working by asking for an unfinished one. I will remember that trick :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:49:32 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Where does one get the LXEN2216 driver? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Tim On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:39:43 -0500, Tim wrote: > Also, Daniel, if you're "listening," Of course! ;-) > I'd love to see some more pointers on > how you've configured your Post/ and WWW/LX to use multiple ways to access > the net. In my case I'd only be using my cell as an external modem [it's a Check out http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/wwwlx All configuration tricks I currently use are described there. Also check D&A's Tips and Tricks page. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:05:29 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Anyone have "News2.exe" ? Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <000301c21fa6$e7f1c950$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you are using WWW/LX Version 3 then the news client program is ROBONEWS/LX. If you use WWW/LX Version 2 then the news client is NEWS2.exe... Get it from the source!!! http://www.dasoft.com - go to the FTP site and either download POST22.exe (self-extracting archive) or post3.3x3 (also self extracting) or post3.zip (regular zip archive). If you do not have a license for www/lx v 3 - please consider getting one - your version is a demo and will cut off after just a tiny bit of work. You'll find POST22 or POST3 in the WWW directory in the FTP sites. All the best! At 6/29/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I'm reconfiguring my "back-up" LX to a "clean" slate . . . My original Post/ >and WWW/LX refer to a news2.exe to get newsgroups, etc., BUT this file seems >to be missing. Did it come in an older ver. of WWW/LX or was I supposed to >find it somewhere? > >TIA for any info. > >--tim > >Tim Raymond >------------------------------------------- >"There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:27:02 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th I have uploaded qb2iso.zip. It enables messages with undecoded From/Subject headers to be re-written in a POST/LX friendly format. Decodes both quoted printable and base 64. Handles multi-line headers and multiple instances if encoding. Feedback welcome. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:05:48 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: Siemens ME45 + HP200LX+WWW/LX In-Reply-To: <000301c21f72$3f571680$02a8a8c0@ri.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember whether this test has already been done? For my provider (O2=ViagInterkom) in www.cfg there has to be the modeminit string: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet". That works fine via the IR-port. But even in a distance of 20cm there are some lost bytes due to frame errors caused by cell phone disturbance. So far I haven't managed to send SMS with the HPLX via the ME45. Any hints? Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:59:21 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > Stefan got his digest working by asking for an > unfinished one. I will remember that trick :) Unfortunately only this unfinished one worked. The next full digest, which I received today has the old problem again: No reply possible :-( Here is what HPLX-L answered: > > set hplx-l dig > Your subscription options have been successfully updated. Here are the = exact > settings now in use for your subscription. Please take a few = moments to > check that this is indeed what you wanted. > > Subscription options for Stefan Peichl , = list > HPLX-L: > > DIGEST You receive list digests, rather than individual postings > MIME You prefer to receive messages in MIME format > SHORTHDR Short mail headers with only "human friendly" fields > REPRO You receive a copy of your own postings > NOACK No acknowledgement of successfully processed postings > > Subscription date: 11 Dec 1998 Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:49:18 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: POST/LX reply problem Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE, Stefan Peichl In-Reply-To: <17OaY3-1Lcn9EC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:41:22 +1200 (NZT) 42m11s ago ... On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:59:11 +0200, Stefan Peichl wrote: > Here is what HPLX-L answered: > > SHORTHDR Short mail headers with only "human friendly" fields My digest answer said I had FULLHDR. (the digest entries themselves only have minimal headers) set hplx-l full might do the trick. I will try "set hplx-l short" and let you know if my digest gets the spaces. - Tony -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:15:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <003701c21f69$8c3e1060$410d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:35:36 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:04 PM >Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) > > >> Thank god for resterants where food is properly seasoned and >good to >> eat. Otherwise a person would have to cook to avoid this mass >marketed >> yuck. What's really bad is hershey and other companies put too >much >> sugar in chocolate bars. You can hardly taste the chocolate. >At least >> you can get good chocolate in europe and some of it is >imported. I >> think sometimes they americanize it though and make it nasty. > >Hershey still makes their semi-sweet chocolate although it's >kind of hard to find nowadays. They also make one called "dark >chocolate" that has far less sugar, and no milk. It's the milk >I especially dislike. > >Barry > I have tried making chocale out of cocoa . It hasn't turned out too well yet. But its great because a person can bloend to taste.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:37:30 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John; It's a minor thing, but would you happen to have a spell-checker, or just a minute to proofread before hitting "send"? Just a suggestion that might help make it easier to read your posts... ;-) Richard John Musielewicz wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:35:36 -0500, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Musielewicz" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:04 PM > >Subject: Re: OT: Re: Travel Floppy and... (Long, part 2 of 2) > > > > > >> Thank god for resterants where food is properly seasoned and > >good to > >> eat. Otherwise a person would have to cook to avoid this mass > >marketed > >> yuck. What's really bad is hershey and other companies put too > >much > >> sugar in chocolate bars. You can hardly taste the chocolate. > >At least > >> you can get good chocolate in europe and some of it is > >imported. I > >> think sometimes they americanize it though and make it nasty. > > > >Hershey still makes their semi-sweet chocolate although it's > >kind of hard to find nowadays. They also make one called "dark > >chocolate" that has far less sugar, and no milk. It's the milk > >I especially dislike. > > > >Barry > > > > I have tried making chocale out of cocoa . It hasn't turned out too > well yet. But its great because a person can bloend to taste. > > John > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml