========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:24:25 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Siemens ME45 + HP200LX+WWW/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Uli On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:05:48 +0200, Uli Allen = wrote: > But even in a distance of 20cm there are some lost bytes due to > frame errors caused by cell phone disturbance. That's not a big problem. I even get some lost bytes when using a cable connection to my linux box, using its DSL line, if the cell phone is sitting near the cable... > So far I haven't managed to send SMS with the HPLX via the ME45. > Any hints? What's the exact problem? My wife has got an S45, which should be identical to the ME45, if you let me know what the problem is, I can try to reconstruct it here. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:24:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:27:02 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > At http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th I have uploaded WOW, interesting! Will try that during this week and give you some feedback soon Thanks! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:15:49 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: QB2ISO.SCR Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony! I must have expressed myself badly i nmy direct mail to you during the = weekend. QB2ISO was already successfully installed when writing my last mail. The = installation was quite easy and works on both QP and Base64. This will be good to = have available=20 when I get unreadable headers. As to your other programs, I installed at the same time Boxview that also does its stuff. Just a few minutes ago I tested the Roboweb installation and downloaded the Sydney news pages. I had some moments of doubts when setting up the Post.cfg following the Readme.txt but it went well.. I will now try set up contact with some Swedish media. I have also started to look at Posth. Regards Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Tony Hutchins Skickat: den 30 juni 2002 05:27 Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU =C4mne: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR At http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th I have uploaded qb2iso.zip. It enables messages with undecoded From/Subject headers to be re-written in a POST/LX friendly format. Decodes both quoted printable and base 64. Handles multi-line headers and multiple instances if encoding. Feedback welcome. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:58:15 -0700 Reply-To: mike Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: mike Subject: LX-MapBlast: Directions and GPS Routes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The driving directions page on my website is now working again. It works slower than before, but it isn't too bad, usually returning the results in less than 15 seconds. There is also a new feature I have added thanks to a suggestion by Yves Leurquin. Besides the text driving directions, you can also now receive GPS coordinate routes in Gardown, Waypoint+ and LXGPS formats. This is still sort of beta stage. I have checked that the Gardown and LXGPS formats work, but have not tested Waypoint+ at all. It looks right though. If you use a GPS I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, bug reports. If you don't own a GPS there's really nothing new from before. http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/lxmbdirect.html Cheers, Mike Kopplin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:35:24 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, especially Tony ;-) Today I tried to set up a Roboweb/LX control message to tetrieve quotes of my own stocks. I used the European Index template from RWEB.O and modified it so that it should - at least in my opinion - get the quotes (as a first attempt) of the Daimler Chrysler stock and two of the index quotes from the template. The two idnex quotes are there, but for Daimler Chrysler I only get N/A. :-( What am I doing wrong? Is there somewhere a detailed explanation on how to use the yquotes? Here is what I tried and what I got: TRIED: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:36 From: roboweb To: yquotes ,^DCX,^CCSI ^TA100 Subject: Test stocks GOT: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:31 From: Roboweb/LX [txt] To: finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=3D+^DCX+^CCSI+^TA100&f=3Dsnvohgl1c1d1= t1&c=3D.csv Subject: 1:Test stocks=09 Symb/Name Volume Open Hi/Ask Low/Bid Last Change Update -------- ----------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- ------ ^DCX N/A N/A N/A N/A 0.00 N/A N/A = 3:26pm EGYPT CMA GN IDX N/A 627.36 627.36 627.36 627.36 0.00 7/1 = 9:25am TA-100 INDEX N/A 357.39 358.77 354.77 355.95 -1.44 7/1 = 9:48am THANKS! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:57:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Only the index abbreviations should get the ^ character in front of them. Alan Striegel -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:35 AM >... >The two idnex quotes are there, but for Daimler Chrysler I only get >N/A. :-( > >What am I doing wrong? Is there somewhere a detailed explanation on how >to use the yquotes? > >Here is what I tried and what I got: > >TRIED: > >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:36 >From: roboweb >To: yquotes ,^DCX,^CCSI ^TA100 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:10:16 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Newsreader for HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello list-members, Has anybody tested the different newsreaders available for the HP200, and reported the pros and cons of each opponent, for example to make some comparisons? I'm currently trying PNR, with LXMTA. This combination works, but I don't find it very useful (graphical mode, so slow scrolling, if you read news articles they are deleted, ...). I haven't tested Pine yet, but if I could use Pine in offline mode, eventually with a LXMTA-like program to upload/download my mail and news, I'd appreciate, since my desktop mailer is Pine also. I might also try the WWW/LX suite. BTW, Daniel, you can update your webpages on the connection between an HP200 and a Nokia 6310, with the DLR-3 cable. That's what I use, and it works. The only difference between the DLR-3 and the DLR-3P seems to be 10 cm (the DLR-3P is longer). The Nokia cables don't provide hardware signals such as DCD, CTS, RTS, and don't handle the drop of DTR to hang-up (but since you close the PPP session, the peer should disconnect you). The fac= t that the cable doesn't provide hardware control flow limits the baudrate between the HP and the phone. I tested at 9600 without any problem, and a= t 19200 with some (not that much) packets lost (I downloaded 87 emails, for a total of about 400k). One shouldn't leave the cable plugged to the phone, as there's some electronic inside the cable, to translate the messages between the phone (talking MBUS) and the host (talking RS-232). The electronic part is composed of a Max232, and a PIC 16LC63, and everything is powered by the phone (not the host). I left the phone plugged for a night (it was also plugged on my PC), and the Nokia batteries were empty in the morning. You can build your own Nokia cable, if you can program in PIC assembly, and some descriptions are even available on the net, which use the classical 16F84. Note that if you're a talented programmer, you can build a cable with a good handling of CTS/RTS, DCD, and DTR signals... I connect either to my classic provider, in GSM Data mode, or to my mobil= e operator, in GPRS mode (Orange), and everything works perfectly. I can provide some help to setup Goin'Postal for GPRS, since the script languag= e of Goin'Postal can't handle things like this: SEND "AT+CGDCONT=3D1,\"IP\",\"orange.fr\",\"0.0.0.0\",0,0" where you can't replace the initial and final " with a ', or replace the inner " with '... I finally found a solution: set the user name to be AT+CGDCONT=3D1,"IP",.= .., and change the GP.BAT script to modify the parameter file passed to EPPPD.EXE, with sed (I used SED15X.ZIP as found on SUPER). It works. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Serait-il possible de cr=E9er un groupe de news =E0 vocation plus commerc= iale pour permettre =E0 ses partenaires de traiter des offres et demandes d'or= dre commercial? Apr=E8s tout, Internet, c'est surtout un espace "business"! -+- VG in : Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Les affaires sont les affaires -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:21:29 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Secure e-mail on 200LX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, Here's an issue that's been troubling me lately. Last winter I set up a Linux server at home, and had occasion to study security issues. One thing I learned was that telnet is vulnerable to packet sniffing because the entire process occurs in cleartext. The generally suggested alternative is ssh. There is an ssh client that works on the 200LX. It's a little slow on my double speed unit, but I use it. Now it doesn't make much sense to secure my online sessions, when the e-mail client I use (LXMTA) passes my username and password in cleartext. As far as I know POST/LX does not use SSL, and SSHDOS does not provide for port forwarding. Does anyone know of any options for secure e-mail on the 200LX? It seems to me that this issue is likely to be the eventual cause for me to migrate from the 200LX. Encryption and secure transactions take a lot of processing power, and I have serious doubts the 200LX would be capable of providing it--even if the software was available. I now step down off my soapbox and wait eagerly for your thoughts. Thanks! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:38:49 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > I'm currently trying PNR, with LXMTA. This combination works, but I don't > find it very useful (graphical mode, so slow scrolling, if you read news > articles they are deleted, ...). I've used PNR for news for five years now. It works, but it does have limitations. One of the most serious is memory--because it's built as a System Manager application. Once you have more than a couple hundred articles in a group it doesn't perform well at all. As a result you really have to keep up with high volume groups. I find myself more and more using my 200LX as a terminal to log into my home Linux box. This gives me portability with lots of power. A trick that I like to read news offline is to save articles to a file with my Linux newsreader (slrn), transfer them to my LX (ftp or mail), and then use PNRTI to thread them with PNR to read them. It's a little clunky, but comes in handy at times. > I haven't tested Pine yet, but if I could use Pine in offline mode, > eventually with a LXMTA-like program to upload/download my mail and news, > I'd appreciate, since my desktop mailer is Pine also. Keep in mind you'll be limited to an older version of Pine. Versions from 4 and after are 32 bit only. I'm not sure if the older versions will work on the LX, either. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:46:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Ted, >As far as I know POST/LX does not use SSL, Correct on Post/LX not using SSL. But at least during the login to the POP3 it can use encrypted process (CRAM-MD5). >Encryption and secure transactions take a lot of processing power, and I >have serious doubts the 200LX would be capable of providing it--even if >the software was available. You nailed one issue right on! Lots of power. But also, there is not a standard, but rather several covering security and that means huge code if we wanted to cover them all. That is not practical. >I now step down off my soapbox and wait eagerly for your thoughts. Get back on it - and suggest something ... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:47:12 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? Comments: To: Avi Meshar In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701124107.00aafdd0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Hi Ted, > > >I now step down off my soapbox and wait eagerly for your thoughts. > > Get back on it - and suggest something ... One suggestion: add SSL. Easy. ;) --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- ca me fais penser aux ptits cons sur scooter qui t'emmerdent sur la route et t'insulte d=E8s que tu les doubles. ps : les neuneus t'emmerdent, espece de sale petit bourgeois capitaliste... -+- GD in GNU : La r=E9volte gronde au sein des masses -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:02:51 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: AW: LX-MapBlast: Directions and GPS Routes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Kopplin wrote: LX-MapBlast: Directions and GPS Routes Really great, Mike. I didn't believe it but directions are quite good even here in Germany. I'll give it further tries. Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:48:57 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/1/02 +0200, you wrote: >On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Hi Ted, > > > > >I now step down off my soapbox and wait eagerly for your thoughts. > > > > Get back on it - and suggest something ... > >One suggestion: add SSL. Easy. ;) That's why I did not ask you! It is only easy to _suggest_ "Add SSL". It is only one of several ways to secure communications, and there is no one standard way to do it. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:55 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701134655.00abe590@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > >I now step down off my soapbox and wait eagerly for your thoughts. > > > > > > Get back on it - and suggest something ... > > > >One suggestion: add SSL. Easy. ;) > > That's why I did not ask you! It is only easy to _suggest_ "Add SSL". > It is only one of several ways to secure communications, and there is no > one standard way to do it. I've given this some thought but had no insight. Actually, if the initial authentication is encrypted, that addresses my main concern. The security of my e-mail content is not a big deal (to me), but the password to my account is. If I find a need for securing content at some point, I can always use PGP. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:38:49 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:21:29 -0500 Theodore Heise a icrit: > Does anyone know of any options for secure e-mail on the 200LX? Not really, but there is is a starting point if you cannot encrypt [some part of] your POP3 session... Make differents users accounts : - One complete (shell) account, for your SSH access... You access to it only thru SSHdos, then the password is never transmitted in clear. - One (or several) POP3-only accounts for your e-mails, by replacing (in the /etc/passwd files) the /usr/bin/sh parameter by /usr/bin/false. [Or you can use "linuxconf" to do that, if you have it in your linux distribution] Then, even if someone sniffes your POP3 password, he cannot access to a shell. Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:38:49 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:10:16 +0200 Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > I can provide some help to setup Goin'Postal for GPRS Do you have established a GPRS connexion with Goin'Postal, given the fact that the DLR-3P don't [seems to] have the DCD line that GP needs ? Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:28:24 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Subject: ADMIN: Digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, sorry for bothering you, but I'd like to receive _weekly_ digests instead of daily ones. Is that possible, and how? Thanks, Paul Wagner ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:10:21 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:57:09 -0400, "Striegel, Alan" = wrote: > Only the index abbreviations should get the ^ character in front of = them. Oh, yes! Thanks! Now I'm able to retrieve any stock quote I want - just look up the symbol at finance.yahoo.com in the symbol lookup, then create a roboweb control message using To: yquotes ,DCX DCXGn.DE QSCG.DE NOKS.DE ^GDAX And I get all the stocks I want! Great! :-) Now I have to look at the scheduling feature of the latest Roboweb version... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:10:22 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Many items for sale! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, not exactly on-topic, but I would like to point you to a big list of items I have for sale, some of these are manuals for old DOS software, so some of you might be interested. Actually, I only ship to Germany. But if it's worth the money and effort, I can make exceptions for you list members. See http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale Thanks daniel P.S.: The list is in German. -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:18:04 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? In-Reply-To: <20020701221618.5DE2.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Jacques Belin wrote: > Make differents users accounts : > - One complete (shell) account, for your SSH access... You access to it > only thru SSHdos, then the password is never transmitted in clear. > - One (or several) POP3-only accounts for your e-mails, by replacing (in > the /etc/passwd files) the /usr/bin/sh parameter by /usr/bin/false. > Then, even if someone sniffes your POP3 password, he cannot access to a > shell. Excellent! Thanks very much. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:43 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:17:07 +1200 (NZT) 05h41m43s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:35:24 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: Hi Daniel :) > Is there somewhere a detailed explanation on how to use > the yquotes? Only the mention in RWHIST.DOC: --------- yquotes ~~~~~~~ For quotes use: To: yquotes ibm+^dji+other tickers... Again there must be a space between the yquotes and the ticker list. The tickers can be separated by "+" or single space or single ",". I recommend "+" and no spaces, but *single* spaces are allowed as ticker separators. I enclose a file called YQUOTES.ADR which has a few key world market indexes included. These can be chosen one by one if desired and put into a To: header. They are then automatically separated by ",", which is fine. I'm not sure of any limit on the number of tickers for one run - but up to 30 works fine. ---- Plus there is another entry about getting exchange rates, and cross rates. As Alan pointed out the "^" is only used for indexes. More info is available at yahoo itself. > TRIED: > > Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:36 > From: roboweb > To: yquotes ,^DCX,^CCSI ^TA100 > Subject: Test stocks To: yquotes DCX ^CCSI ^TA100 or, if you want local quotes, try To: yquotes.de DCX ^CCSI ^TA100 BTW Thanks for testing this! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:49 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:47:05 +1200 (NZT) 03h36m49s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:10:16 +0200, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > I'm currently trying PNR, with LXMTA. This combination works, > but I don't find it very useful (graphical mode, so slow > scrolling, if you read news articles they are deleted, ...). Erwann, As an offline reader, POST.EXE allows up to 7999 messages in a single box, or 16MB per box. I have tested up to a 12MB inbox, with no problem managing messages. Up to 100 boxes are supported. ROBONEWS/LX can use one box for multiple newsgroups, but any one box should only be used with one news-server as the article numbering is server dependent. With ROBONEWS/LX you can now follow the same newsgroups on different servers. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:53 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: SV: QB2ISO.SCR Comments: To: Hans Jacob Waern In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:56:10 +1200 (NZT) 07h40m21s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:15:49 +0200, Hans Jacob Waern wrote: > QB2ISO was already successfully installed when writing my > last mail. The installation was quite easy and works on > both QP and Base64. This will be good to have available > when I get unreadable headers. Hi Hans Jacob - oh I thought you hadn't tried it - I'm pleased you got it working. Thanks for your report on Boxview and ROBOWEB! I am happy to help out on a Swedish newspaper dig. > I have also started to look at Posth. Good Luck - that one decodes "From:" addresses for use in the topline. In it's simplest form POSTH is equivalent to using: Wrote=3D%s wrote: in POST.CFG. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:22:46 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: ADMIN: Digest In-Reply-To: <01c2213d$d98ccc00$0301a8c0@quasi.HERKULES> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:01:18 +1200 (NZT) 02h32m54s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:28:24 +0200, Paul-J=FCrgen Wagner wrote: > sorry for bothering you, but I'd like to receive _weekly_ > digests instead of daily ones. Is that possible, and how? Paul, I think it is technically possible for the list owner to make a weekly digest available on a specified weekday but only one type of digest is possible at a time. We have a daily one at the moment. We could have a weekly one instead of that, but not in addition to it. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:22:48 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:05:14 +1200 (NZT) 01h54m53s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:10:21 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Now I'm able to retrieve any stock quote I want - just look > up the symbol at finance.yahoo.com in the symbol lookup, > then create a roboweb control message using > To: yquotes ,DCX DCXGn.DE QSCG.DE NOKS.DE ^GDAX > > And I get all the stocks I want! Great! :-) Excellent!. Also if you look at finance.yahoo.de you may find even more stocks. To: yquotes ,DCX DCXGn.DE QSCG.DE NOKS.DE ^GDAX EURUSD=3DX would give you the Euro/USD rate too. > Now I have to look at the scheduling feature of the latest Roboweb > version... Skeep=3D1 Freq=3D30m would limit yquotes to 30 minutes between visits I should have given an example or two in RWEB.O - forgot! The RWHIST.DOC entry for 12 Dec 2001 describes the Freq format. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:07:28 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:38:17 +1200 (NZT) 17h13m51s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:24:26 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > At http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th I have uploaded > > WOW, interesting! > Will try that during this week and give you some feedback soon It only works for one message at a time, and re-writes a new version of the message at the end of the inbox, rather like what happens with F6 (Edit). The base64 uses H2T.EXE to do the character translation. H2T.EXE is real handy - another use is in replying to HTML messages. Similar technique - first use F6 to re-write the message. How to reply to HTML messages in POST/LX ---------------------------------------- In PE.CFG have [Filter] ... H&2T=3Dh2t.exe %s SCRATCH Then we edit the message first F6 CTRL-X H (to select all of the message) CTRL-X R (shows drop down box of Filters) 2 (chooses the H2T filter) Then just save the new message. The HTML has been converted to text. Now reply to the new message as normal. ----------------- Whoops, I got a bit off topic BTW for the first time I just took off the keyboard overlay on my 200LX, fixed my F6 and F7 keys with ISOpropyl alcohol and a cotton bud, padded the broken right leg of my spacebar with a bit of elephant tape (just so it doesn't flap up easily). It's like new again! (No, it's not elephant tape - "Norton bear tape" - pretty useless black fabric sticky stuff). - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:16:31 -0400 Reply-To: David Heath Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Heath Subject: Transfile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22155.5632C5E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22155.5632C5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried to download transfile (tf103.exe) from Super. However, the = link does not work. I have tried several times. I have also tried to = download it from other locations but have not been able to locate a link = that works. Does anyone know a source for the file? 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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22155.5632C5E0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:46:40 -0500 Reply-To: melancon@microgear.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Melancon Subject: Re: Transfile In-Reply-To: <002901c22176$df3a6980$7cb00ad8@downeast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just did a search on Google - one link led me to this page: http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=hh100&i=hh100ei and I clicked to download the file - the file was located here: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/handheld_computers/software/tf103.exe File size was 775kb. Hope this helps Mike > I have tried to download transfile (tf103.exe) from Super. However, the link > does not work. I have tried several times. I have also tried to download it > from other locations but have not been able to locate a link that works. > > Does anyone know a source for the file? > > David > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:18:29 -0700 Reply-To: freeway@UIA.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "T. McCoy" Subject: forgotten procedure.. In-Reply-To: <200207020402.g6241xQ94351@trex.uia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's been a while, I've moved to a new machine and forgotten all the important details. Please will somebody explain to me what I'll need to emulate my 200LX on my WinME based machine. I've got some stuff in notetaker that I need to move into my laptop, which has the pcmcia reader/writer, but I've completely forgotten which program I'll need and which files I'll want to transfer. Tommy ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:15:39 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Transfile Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Don't bother with Tranfile. I could never get it to work. Use the connectivity pack instead. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:37:20 -0400 Reply-To: Ulrich Allen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ulrich Allen Subject: Re: Siemens ME45 + HP200LX+WWW/LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Daniel, With my NOKIA 6310 I used post/lx, robot and sms.scr to send SMS. Should that work with the Siemens ME45 too? sms.scr stops after IR connection to the ME45. I don't know the debug mode yet. Certainly your S45 is identical in this part. What combo do you use there to send SMS? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:14:02 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:43 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > > Is there somewhere a detailed explanation on how to use > > the yquotes? > > Only the mention in RWHIST.DOC: Could you please explain how it works? Why is the "yquotes" string in the To: fiels translated to something else (the URL)? What files are involved? Where can I for example modify the format string in the URL and where can I adapt the list header line, if I modifiy the format string? And why is the word "yquotes" (and "yweather") used, not quotes and weather? :-) I would like to format it in a way that even with Post/LX "Reformat" turned on and with 64 column display the list is displayed correctly. > Plus there is another entry about getting exchange rates, and > cross rates. Hey, this is good! > BTW Thanks for testing this! Am I the only one who uses this feature of Roboweb? I consider it one of the most useful ones! Thanks, Tony, it must have been hard work to find out all the sources for text (or even CSV) formatted info! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:15:04 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:48:06 +1200 (NZT) 34m04s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:14:02 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Could you please explain how it works? Why is the "yquotes" > string in the To: fiels translated to something else (the > URL)? The "yquotes" is a string to signal to the scripts that the URL has to be constructed. It just saves the user typing in the full URL. It also signals that the regular "detag" is not to be used - instead a special script, called rwquotes.scr, is run which reads the .CSV file and formats it to 80 columns. > What files are involved? Where can I for example > modify the format string in the URL and where can I adapt > the list header line, if I modifiy the format string? And > why is the word "yquotes" (and "yweather") used, not quotes > and weather? :-) At the moment it is all automated and fixed. Originally I didn't use "yquotes" and just made up a template with the URL in. Have a look at rwquotes.scr - it has a bit of info at the top. To tell the honest truth - I implemented yquotes to produce exactly the same output in the old Compuserve ascii "quotes". And "yweather" is a bit like the old classic "weather". > I would like to format it in a way that even with Post/LX > "Reformat" turned on and with 64 column display the list > is displayed correctly. Ah, could be done. Formatting is tricky with ROBOT/LX - the only way I could determine the length of a number was print it to a file and watch the file pointer Here we are: ;9 items - s v o h g l1 c1 d1 t1 ;like old CSI QUOTES with addition of Open put Symb/Name Volume Open Hi/Ask Low/Bid Last Change = Update\n put -------- ----------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- = ------\n ; 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890= 12345678 ; 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 7 ; * * * * * * * Let me know how you would like it formatted. Then all it would need is a modified rwquotes.scr - might actually be easy to do :) Oh, I see I added "Open" - that could go for a start > > Plus there is another entry about getting exchange rates, > > and cross rates. > > Hey, this is good! I was just amazed at what is available on yahoo, and they haven't started charging for it .. yet. > Am I the only one who uses this feature of Roboweb? I > consider it one of the most useful ones! Thanks, Tony, it > must have been hard work to find out all the sources for text > (or even CSV) formatted info! It was not too hard - yahoo is very compliant - I made up my own URL format and yahoo accepted it!! From yahoo.de the CSV is ";" delimited - that was about the only surprise :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:23:20 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I would like to be able to use Robonews/LX whereever I am. Currently, I use a news server, which is only available from home, because it uses member authentication via network login. So I need a news server which allows direct server authentication. Does Compuserve offer this service? If not, where can I get this serveice? How do I have to set up Robonews for server authentication? Thanks a lot Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:40:21 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: ADMIN: Digest In-Reply-To: <01c2213d$d98ccc00$0301a8c0@quasi.HERKULES> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:54:09 +1200 (NZT) 10h25m45s ago ... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:28:24 +0200, Paul-J=FCrgen Wagner wrote: > sorry for bothering you, but I'd like to receive _weekly_ digests = instead of > daily ones. Is that possible, and how? Paul, What you could do is try set hplx-l index This way you only get a very short e-mail each day. Each week you can order all the messages in your indexes just by hitting "Reply" for each. This way you would be effectively making up your own weekly digest (text, not MIME). The "index" option does work well - it is a nice alternative to "nomail". If something catches your eye you can easily just order specific messages by replying to the index message and deleting all but the messages you want. The messages are numbered in the index - the numbers are up in the 8000 range now, which implies you could even go longer than a week between asking for messages. It's a bit like doing header downloads from a newsgroup. Which reminds me - I tried news.hplx.net again last week - but it seems to not respond. I wonder how young Dave Sergeant is doing these days? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:13:22 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:55:15 +1200 (NZT) 31m55s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:23:20 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Does Compuserve offer this service? Yup. > If not, where can I get this serveice? Another one is news.cis.dfn.de. I forget how to get a password - but a yahoo search should do the trick. It doesn't carry many groups but they will usually add any you want. > How do I have to set up Robonews for server authentication? Example: [News3] Server=3Dnews.compuserve.com Login=3D100xxx,xxx Password=3Dabcdefg List=3D0 NewCount=3D25 comp.sys.hp48=3D151752 [news.compuserve.com] comp.sys.hp48=3Dhp48 Login/Password are exactly what you use to dial Compuserve. (Just so they can charge you even if you are dialed up through a non-compuserve ISP, I assume) The 151752 above is the last message number. I have now got rid of the [HMN] section, so each server can have it's own numbers - just means the same groups can be followed on different servers. This is not in the released version yet though. I want to add another option - a section with a list of groups in, that can be referenced - to save a bit of typing. Also, if a group is not found on a server I should add a system message to that effect. Compuserve only has about 20,000 groups now. Two local providers hare carry 60,000!! (Not that that means anything in terms of usefulness). If you go with Compuserve be sure to use the scripts from my paradise.net.nz page as they have an adjustment to make posting stable with compuserve (it is prone to close the connection very quickly if there is no activity). - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:18:36 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: <20020701223525.5DE5.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Jacques Belin wrote: > Le Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:10:16 +0200 > Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > > > I can provide some help to setup Goin'Postal for GPRS > > Do you have established a GPRS connexion with Goin'Postal, given the > fact that the DLR-3P don't [seems to] have the DCD line that GP needs ? Yes, G'P itself doesn't need those signals to run the script. EPPPD should be carefully configured to make it work, but it's easy, just modify the GP.BAT file to add the following arguments to EPPPD.EXE: local -crtscts The 'local' tells EPPPD to ignore DCD, the '-crtscts' tells it to not try hardware flow control. In fact, the cable is wired so that CTS/RTS appears to work. It's a fake. You then have to tell G'P that the modem is wired, and use the script to initialize the modem, compose the phone number, and do the rest. As I wrote earlier, there's also a small modification to GP.BAT to be able to send the good AT commands for GPRS. The first point is that one don't usually need login/password information for GPRS. So you now have 2 fields to store some data. I use the User field to store the phone initialization command with the '"' in it: User=AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","orange.fr","0.0.0.0",0,0 Then I use the following script to connect: ----- DELAY 1 SEND "ATZ" EXPECT "OK" IN 15 SEND LOGIN EXPECT "OK" IN 15 SEND "AT*99***1#" ----- I then modified the GP.BAT file to change on-the-fly the GPIPF.CFG file passed to EPPPD.EXE. Between the ':pppload' and 'EPPPD.EXE local -crtscts...' lines, add these: ----- *copy GPIPF.CFG GPIPF.BAD /Q sed -e "s/user.*$/user \"orange\"/" -e "s/passwd.*$/passwd \"orange\"/" gpipf.bad > gpipf.cfg *del gpipf.bad /q ----- I use 4Dos, so the exact syntax might change. In particular, you can safely change the copy and del calls to more standard ones, I just didn't want them to display anything on screen (as they usually do with 4Dos). For the call to sed, I don't know if the standard command.com will be able to understand the escaped '"' characters, and transform them to normal ones. Just test. For the LXTCP script, you need to escape the '#' in the 'ATDT*99***1#' to make it work, else the '#' will be the start of a comment. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... J EN AI MARRE DES C... QUI NE RESPECTENT PAS LES CHARTES -+- R in: Guide du neuneu Usenet - bien respecter sa netiquette -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:37:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:22:48 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Excellent!. Also if you look at finance.yahoo.de you may > find even more stocks. > > To: yquotes ,DCX DCXGn.DE QSCG.DE NOKS.DE ^GDAX EURUSD=3DX > > would give you the Euro/USD rate too. Great! Thank you! Didn't you mention that using yquotes.de I would receive German versions o all that stuff? I tried it, but got only zeros and a few strange strings. I have still Roboweb 1.1, could this be the reason? > > Now I have to look at the scheduling feature of the latest Roboweb > > version... > > Skeep=3D1 > Freq=3D30m > > would limit yquotes to 30 minutes between visits But only from version 1.3, right? How can I easily upgrade? Simply replace the SCRs? Or is there anything else involved? Thanks for such a valuable tool! I should have looked deeper inside it sooner. Have used it for a little news digging, to have something to read, if the HPLX-L was quiet. But now I find out about the _really_ useful features! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:37:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:15:04 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > The "yquotes" is a string to signal to the scripts that > the URL has to be constructed. It just saves the user typing > in the full URL. > Ah, so it's that easy. ;-) Have to know about it, because I assume everything to be transparent first, and it wasn't exactly transparent for me qhy I got something from yahoo.com, just by typing yquotes. ;-) > in. Have a look at rwquotes.scr - it has a bit of info at the > top. okay. > To tell the honest truth - I implemented yquotes to produce > exactly the same output in the old Compuserve ascii "quotes". > And "yweather" is a bit like the old classic "weather". Would also be nice to enable Roboweb to store the values in a file which can from time to time be used by Lotus or Gnuplot to produce stock charts. :-) Maybe one file per stock, containing values in CSV format, with a time number conpatible to the Lotus date/time number format, so all you need = to do is importing the file as CSV to Lotus and specify the graph type (x/y) then press F10 for graph..... Just an idea, do you think this could be done? > Ah, could be done. Formatting is tricky with ROBOT/LX - the > only way I could determine the length of a number was print it > to a file and watch the file pointer oh. ;-) > Here we are: > > ;9 items - s v o h g l1 c1 d1 t1 > ;like old CSI QUOTES with addition of Open > put Symb/Name Volume Open Hi/Ask Low/Bid Last Change = Update\n > put -------- ----------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- = ------\n > ; 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678= 9012345678 > ; 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 7 > ; * * * * * * * > > Let me know how you would like it formatted. Then all it would > need is a modified rwquotes.scr - might actually be easy to do > :) I will think about it. Maybe we could leave away the open / hi / low and maybe the volume for simplicity. keep only name, last, update. The essential. This might be too much stripping for a hardcore-broker, but for a stock-watcher like me, who buys / sells about once per month or so, this should be enough. I don't know exactly how the official quotes are calculated, of course it doesn't make sense if a one-minute-peak from heavy day-trading is stored, but something like a day average or so. Another way would be: Store the entire list into the Lotus CSV file for later reference, but in the Roboweb inbox, only display the simple list. But Tony, before you dive into the work (I know you - one suggestion from one of us and you are instantly programming! :-) ), let's discuss it here a bit, so IF you modify the scripts, as many people as possible should be satisfied. I really appreciate your great efforts, you make the WWW/LX suite an allround Internet tool! Everyone still considering if WWW/LX itself is worth the money (it already IS), should not longer consider if he knows Roboweb and Robonews! Thanks a lot daniel > > Oh, I see I added "Open" - that could go for a start > > > > Plus there is another entry about getting exchange rates, > > > and cross rates. > > > > Hey, this is good! > > I was just amazed at what is available on yahoo, and they > haven't started charging for it .. yet. > > > Am I the only one who uses this feature of Roboweb? I > > consider it one of the most useful ones! Thanks, Tony, it > > must have been hard work to find out all the sources for text > > (or even CSV) formatted info! > > It was not too hard - yahoo is very compliant - I made up my > own URL format and yahoo accepted it!! From yahoo.de the CSV > is ";" delimited - that was about the only surprise :) > > - Tony > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:25:32 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/1/02 -0500, Ted Heise wrote: >Actually, if the initial authentication is encrypted, that addresses my >main concern. The security of my e-mail content is not a big deal (to >me), but the password to my account is. If I find a need for securing >content at some point, I can always use PGP. Yes, it does encrypted authentication login to the POP3. You can even turn it off, if you want to. I believe by default POST/LX assumes that your server does encrypted login and will attempt it. If not it will (reluctantly - it will produce a sad sigh sound ) switch to non-encrypted login. There are several people who use PGP along with POST/LX and Maxdos to do exactly what you indicated above, namely encrypt the actual message. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:35:13 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Transfile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N Knight wrote: > Don't bother with Tranfile. I could never get it to work. > Use the connectivity pack instead. Can't confirm that. It does work and it's free - but that's about all. It will only tranfer files and that's it - how to read them is up to you. So I too will go for the connectivity software every time, but it is not free (yet?). Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:42:12 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:13:22 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Another one is news.cis.dfn.de. I forget how to get a password > - but a yahoo search should do the trick. It doesn't carry > many groups but they will usually add any you want. Will see... > [News3] > Server=3Dnews.compuserve.com > Login=3D100xxx,xxx > Password=3Dabcdefg > List=3D0 > NewCount=3D25 Yes, works!! > comp.sys.hp48=3D151752 What's this for? Don't have any newsgroup names in my [NewsX] sections, instead I have a [HMN] section, which has the high message numbers. Is this what the above line is for? > Login/Password are exactly what you use to dial Compuserve. > (Just so they can charge you even if you are dialed up through > a non-compuserve ISP, I assume) > > The 151752 above is the last message number. I have now got > rid of the [HMN] section, so each server can have it's own > numbers Ah, so I should delete the HMN section? But I just looked into my robot.cfg, and for the lst visit of 1 newsgroup to test the authentication, no entry for its high message number is createdin the corresponding server section. Is that ok? Can I delete the [HMN] section anyway? ...well, just tested: I commented out the HMN entry for the specific NG i visited for testing, and the HMN entry was recreated _in_the_HMN_ section, not in the server section. So what's the problem here? I don't expect to use different servers for one newsgroup, but s you know, I always want to understand what's going on. :-) > If you go with Compuserve be sure to use the scripts from my > paradise.net.nz page as they have an adjustment to make > posting stable with compuserve (it is prone to close the > connection very quickly if there is no activity). Seems that Iuse these files - at least it works. :-) Thanks once more :-) daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:41 +0200 Reply-To: Pierre TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: [TECH] Internet off-site reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Friends, I am looking for an Internet off-site reader for my HP200LX. Can you recommend me an application ? ("Plucker", as example, is an Internet off-site reader for PalmOS. Intenet pages are charged and prepared (parsed) on the desktop (hi-speed) than transfert to the PalmOS). Thanks, Pierre TESTORI ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:58:14 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: Transfile In-Reply-To: <3D21AC11.891D85AF@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I have always used Conn.pack for transfer of larger files because its = faster and because I had a lot of trouble with TF with stoppages and = restarts which was pretty bad with larger files. After downloading the patch HP.dll this problems seems to be gone and I = seem to be using TF more for small and middle sized files because it is handy for the = purpose. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Axel = Berger Skickat: den 2 juli 2002 15:35 Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU =C4mne: Re: Transfile N Knight wrote: > Don't bother with Tranfile. I could never get it to work. > Use the connectivity pack instead. Can't confirm that. It does work and it's free - but that's about all. It will only tranfer files and that's it - how to read them is up to you. So I too will go for the connectivity software every time, but it is not free (yet?). Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:11:02 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: forgotten procedure.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701210926.0326ebe0@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tommy, re: >Please will somebody explain to me what I'll need to >emulate my 200LX on my WinME based machine. >I've got some stuff in notetaker that I need to move >into my laptop.... If all you want to do is read your Notetaker, phonebook files, etc., you can use GDBWin (search for that on S.U.P.E.R. at: http://www.palmtop.net/search.html . All you have to do is use your PC Card to transfer the files to your HDD and GDBWin can open/use/edit them, it's a great program! If you want to more completely emulate your LX on a Windows machine, you'll need a commercial product like "The Connectivity Pack" which might be for sale from another list member, or avail. at Thaddeus or Rundel Datentechnik (in Germany). Good Luck! --tim Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:24:29 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Transfile Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Axel Berger >Can't confirm that. It does work and it's free - but that's about all. >It will only tranfer files and that's it - how to read them is up to >you. >So I too will go for the connectivity software every time, but it is not >free (yet?). Hey, you get what you pay for. Whatever you have to do save yourself alot of headaches...get the connectivity pack. I use Win 98, no matter what I do Transfile will not work. If comes to a choice between free Transfile or $60 for the connectivity pack, I'd choose the connectivity pack especially where Transfile doesn't work. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:35:32 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Transfile Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D21AC11.891D85AF@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/2/02 +0200, Axel Berger wrote: >N Knight wrote: > > Don't bother with Tranfile. I could never get it to work. > > Use the connectivity pack instead. > >Can't confirm that. It does work and it's free - but that's about all. Right. That's all, and less. It will change the date of your file when it transfers it, it will not work at all available speeds, it has a bug with some length files. I think there was one or two more issues. But it is free. Connectivity pack, despite price is still more reliable, although it crashes every now and then (not its fault). How about ZIP from S.U.P.E.R.? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:35:39 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Transfile SUPER link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I just checked the Transfile download link, and indeed, HP have changed their web page structure, so the link is invalid now. I'll fix the link, or maybe even put the transfile program file on SUPER directly for download. With the next SUPER update, the link will work again. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:27:15 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Transfile SUPER link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:35:39 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I'll fix the link, or maybe even put the transfile program file on > SUPER directly for download. With the next SUPER update, the link will > work again. The transfile link works again. It is now future-proof, no matter how HP will change their site structure.. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:58:54 -0400 Reply-To: John J Vanderstel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vanderstel Subject: Rechargable batteries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All I don't personally use rechargeable batteries, but I know that many do on this elist. I noticed that the Big Lots flier that I got in the mail in Grand Rapids, Michigan today has a package of 4 Panasonic Digital High Energy AA 1600 mAh batteries listed for $4.99. It mentions that the regular retail price for these 4 batteries is $9.99. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that someone in the past had posted that the Panasonic 1600 mAh batteries were pretty good. I don't know if Big Lots is a national chain or a local one, but if you need rechargeable batteries and you have a Big Lots in your area, you may want to check out those batteries. Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:27:55 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:29:34 +1200 (NZT) 07h51m44s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:37:50 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Didn't you mention that using yquotes.de I would receive > German versions o all that stuff? I tried it, but got only > zeros and a few strange strings. I have still Roboweb 1.1, > could this be the reason? I am not sure - I believe I tested it once with yquotes.de and yquotes.fr. Will look into it. > > > > Now I have to look at the scheduling feature of the latest Roboweb > > > version... > > > > Skeep=3D1 > > Freq=3D30m > > > > would limit yquotes to 30 minutes between visits > > But only from version 1.3, right? Yup, the Freq parameter for a dig is recent. > How can I easily upgrade? Simply replace the SCRs? Or is > there anything else involved? Just replace the scripts. RWHIST.DOC is updated as well. > Thanks for such a valuable tool! I should have looked deeper > inside it sooner. Have used it for a little news digging, > to have something to read, if the HPLX-L was quiet. But > now I find out about the _really_ useful features! Thanks! I see HPLX-L now seems busy again :) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:27:59 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:34:36 +1200 (NZT) 07h56m44s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:37:52 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > To tell the honest truth - I implemented yquotes to > > produce exactly the same output in the old Compuserve ascii > > "quotes". And "yweather" is a bit like the old classic > > "weather". > > Would also be nice to enable Roboweb to store the values > in a file which can from time to time be used by Lotus or > Gnuplot to produce stock charts. :-) > Maybe one file per stock, containing values in CSV format, > with a time number conpatible to the Lotus date/time number > format, so all you need to do is importing the file as CSV > to Lotus and specify the graph type (x/y) then press F10 > for graph..... > Just an idea, do you think this could be done? On the old Compuserve that could be done using the command "GO PRICES". On my webpage I have GOPRICES.ZIP The default output is in fact to create a 123-compatible file, for each ticker. From GOPRICES.DOC: ------- All files will be stored as 123 format in your WWW/LX directory unless you edit the three lines of GOPRICES.CFG This is the default GOPRICES.CFG 123 .\ .\ the second 2 lines are your desired .CSV and .PRN directories. The 123 format works fine with the HLCO Graph - the date format to choose is short-international for best display. ------- GOPRICES is a standalone WWW/LX + GET.EXE application. It can be run once a day or once a week. Will get daily, weekly, monthly data. Optionally the new data can be appended to history files. It gets the data from yahoo - there is an amazing daily DJA history there, going back to 1927! GOPRICES can be run interactively, or be automated. > I will think about it. Maybe we could leave away the open > / hi / low and maybe the volume for simplicity. keep only > name, last, update. The essential. This might be too much > stripping for a hardcore-broker, but for a stock-watcher > like me, who buys / sells about once per month or so, this > should be enough. Yup. There must be a way to make a 64 col output. > I don't know exactly how the official quotes are calculated, > of course it doesn't make sense if a one-minute-peak from > heavy day-trading is stored, but something like a day > average or so. The official "quotes" are current - the right hand date/time gives the time-stamp. GOPRICES accesses the day's data (VOHLC). > Another way would be: Store the entire list into the Lotus > CSV file for later reference, but in the Roboweb inbox, > only display the simple list. That could be done now by using the full URL - if you want the .CSV stored as is in the inbox (no detagging) then you need "Plainext=3DCSV") for the dig. Otherwise the .CSV wold get stored externally, with a pointer in the inbox. > But Tony, before you dive into the work (I know you > - one suggestion from one of us and you are instantly > programming! :-) ), True, that's me . I like to do it asap, before I forget. > let's discuss it here a bit, so IF you modify the scripts, > as many people as possible should be satisfied. Always my goal . Feedback is most welcome. > I really appreciate your great efforts, you make the WWW/LX > suite an allround Internet tool! Everyone still considering > if WWW/LX itself is worth the money (it already IS), should > not longer consider if he knows Roboweb and Robonews! Thanks Daniel! It's been a lot of fun using ROBOT/LX. GOPRICES/yquote/yweather (the classic compuserve "lookalikes") do rely on the yahoo interface remaining unchanged and free. But GOPRICES for example has been used for nearly 2 years now. It produces not only the 123-output, but also straight ascii files which can be used by other charting software. If a user requires really personal e-mail assitance, I charge, but otherwise it is total freeware, just like Roboweb/news. So far I have not needed to charge anybody - it just seems to work :) The docs describe how to automate it, make it work with setcom.bat, etc. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:28:17 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:07:33 +1200 (NZT) 07h25m21s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:42:12 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > comp.sys.hp48=3D151752 > > What's this for? Don't have any newsgroup names in my > [NewsX] sections, instead I have a [HMN] section, which has > the high message numbers. Is this what the above line is for? Sorry for the confusion. I clipped that from my ROBOT.CFG The scripts I use have not been released yet. > Ah, so I should delete the HMN section? No, it is fine. > But I just looked into my robot.cfg, and for the lst visit of > 1 newsgroup to test the authentication, no entry for its high > message number is created in the corresponding server section. > Is that ok? Can I delete the [HMN] section anyway? It would be re-created . > I don't expect to use different servers for one newsgroup, > but as you know, I always want to understand what's going > on. :-) I introduced the change here so I can have a bunch of newsgroups that I can get from different servers. This bunch of newsgroups is always stored in just one POST/LX box. I have a separate such box for each server. To do this easily I like to keep the "HMN" for each server separate. I admit it is a faily pointless enhancement! Why would I want to do this? Well it's a question of "travel". Here, I have access to a really cheap news-server. But if I can't dial them usng GPRS I need another server like compuserve (which is more expensive). Just an example. This way I also get duplicated messages of course!! But I tend to use "NewCount=3D25" so I never get more than the latest 25 messages. And ROBONEWS tells me how many I missed anyway. But I like this as the server numbering is kept separate. And, for the "one-server user" they will notice no difference in operation at all. The server I use is controlled using ISP=3D in POST.CFG, so it is all automatic :) It is only a minor change to the scripts, so I will release it shortly. Managing "multi-group" boxes is much easier now. Plus it all integrates with "POSTH" - I can have different signatures for each individual newsgroup - also other parameters can be specified at newsgroup level, even for multi-group boxes. Actually the next version will not have the "multigorup" option at all, which means I can get rid of one script. The whole package will be much simpler, and yet compatible with the earlier one. This is thanks to ROBOT/LX - I never fuly realised it's power before I did Roboweb. Just one more option to add and then it's final. I will allow a newsgroup list to be stored in a file. Will save on typing, and keep ROBOT.CFG really short! [news1] Server=3Dnews.compuserve.com NewCount=3D25 [news.compuserve.com] cnews=3Dc:\palmgroup.txt [news2] Server=3Dnews.actrix.gen.nz NewCount=3D25 [news.actrix.gen.nz] anews=3Dc:\palmgroup.txt That would access all groups in the file and put them in the cnews or anews box. The palmgroup.txt can be as long as I like - I can just copy and paste from a full newsroup list. For example a hundred groups could be visited with NewCount=3D5 just to see if they seemed worthwhile getting - of course they never are. Well, will see how it works. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:07:34 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:18:36 +0200 Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > > Do you have established a GPRS connexion with Goin'Postal, given the > > fact that the DLR-3P don't [seems to] have the DCD line that GP needs ? > > Yes, G'P itself doesn't need those signals to run the script. EPPPD > should be carefully configured to make it work, but it's easy, just modify > the GP.BAT file to add the following arguments to EPPPD.EXE: > local -crtscts > > The 'local' tells EPPPD to ignore DCD, the '-crtscts' tells it to not try > hardware flow control. In fact, the cable is wired so that CTS/RTS appears > to work. It's a fake. > > You then have to tell G'P that the modem is wired, and use the script to > initialize the modem, compose the phone number, and do the rest. Very interesting... But really confusing, from what I tested and/or discussed with Steve Lawson (the author of GP). Have you really downloaded e-mail, or only made connection tests ? The problem I encountered with a Siemens cable (and the Nokia's DLR3) was not during the EPPPD launching phase (which correctly established the TCP/IP stack, even without changing GP.BAT), but when it returned the control to GP, who closed immediately the connection. I had then some discussions with Steve Lawson, who said me: "It's probably the status of DCD from the phone, which would likely be settable via the init string. GP expects DCD (carrier) to go high when the modem is connected and drop when it disconnects." You will notice he talks about GP, not EPPPD... And apparently, he does this DCD status test directly from GP, not through EPPPD... Later, when I migrated to the Ericsson R320s, and customized a DRS-10 cable to force the DCD line to high permanently (and then got GP to works correctly :-) ), I had some others exchanges with Steve, who said me : "I should probably put this in the documentation somewhere, but if you tie DCD to DTR, GP won't complain about the modem not hanging up. I look for the DCD line to drop while I'm holding the DTR line low." and : "The reason GP demands DTR/DCD is purely religion. In the past 20+ years dealing with modems, I really hate relying on the triple-plus ATH method of getting one to hang up, and going on faith that it ever connected. I've found many times modems locking up after being sent binary data when they were still in command mode. GP ends up going to that as a desperate measure should DCD never drop (but most of the time I've had a modem get to that point, it won't hang up even with ATH). I decided since modem/serial EATS batteries on an LX (and a session left up over a cell phone costs $$$$$) that I'd use the hardware pins so I'd know that a connection was ready, and that the phone connection really DID drop, and if DCD didn't go away after a hardware & software attempt I'd output a big error message. Didn't want anyone blaming GP for dead batteries or a huge phone bill!" Anyway, I could have been wrong when I thought that GP don't refered to EPPPD to know about the DCD line status. Then, your settings effectively could influence on the result... And a good solution to non-Ericsson users who don't want to customize their cable... :-) BTW, one other possibility could be that the DLR-3P cable forces itself the DCD line to high, as does the newer Ericsson DRS-11 cable. Can you check that ? Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:54:11 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: [TECH] Internet off-site reader In-Reply-To: <20020702135647.54423FC18@smtp.vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:08:37 +1200 (NZT) 09h14m56s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:41 +0200, Pierre TESTORI wrote: > I am looking for an Internet off-site reader for my HP200LX. > > Can you recommend me an application ? Pierre, ROBOWEB/LX at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ > ("Plucker", as example, is an Internet off-site reader for > PalmOS. Intenet pages are charged and prepared (parsed) on > the desktop (hi-speed) than transfert to the PalmOS). ROBOWEB/LX does everything on the palmtop. It is more like "sitescooper" than "Plucker". It Requires WWW/LX from D&A Software. Possibly a group of "Plucker" pages could be read on the palmtop using HV? - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:12:05 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: <20020702233018.EF78.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jacques Belin wrote: > Le Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:18:36 +0200 > Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > > > > Do you have established a GPRS connexion with Goin'Postal, given the > > > fact that the DLR-3P don't [seems to] have the DCD line that GP needs ? > > > > Yes, G'P itself doesn't need those signals to run the script. EPPPD > > should be carefully configured to make it work, but it's easy, just modify > > the GP.BAT file to add the following arguments to EPPPD.EXE: > > local -crtscts > > > > The 'local' tells EPPPD to ignore DCD, the '-crtscts' tells it to not try > > hardware flow control. In fact, the cable is wired so that CTS/RTS appears > > to work. It's a fake. > > > > You then have to tell G'P that the modem is wired, and use the script to > > initialize the modem, compose the phone number, and do the rest. > > Very interesting... > But really confusing, from what I tested and/or discussed with Steve > Lawson (the author of GP). > > Have you really downloaded e-mail, or only made connection tests ? Yes, I downloaded emails with this hardware. My download of 87 emails for 400k was with GP (in GPRS), and it worked perfectly, with the HP200 talking at 19200 bauds with the phone. I did a pktstat just before unloading the packet driver, and this was the result: pkt_in pkt_out byt_in byt_out err_in err_out pk_drop 762 1196 435792 58176 105 0 0 My HP is a single speed one. > The problem I encountered with a Siemens cable (and the Nokia's DLR3) > was not during the EPPPD launching phase (which correctly established > the TCP/IP stack, even without changing GP.BAT), but when it returned > the control to GP, who closed immediately the connection. Yes, that's the behaviour I have when I specify the phone number in GP configuration, instead of putting 'WIRE' and doing the whole configuration in the script. Maybe the 'WIRE' setting tells GP that what is connected to COM1 is not a modem, so it doesn't check the DCD line... ;) > You will notice he talks about GP, not EPPPD... And apparently, he does > this DCD status test directly from GP, not through EPPPD... Yes, just before calling EPPPD... [... some good reasons for prefering DCD/DTR signals instead of +++ATH...] > Anyway, I could have been wrong when I thought that GP don't refered to > EPPPD to know about the DCD line status. Then, your settings effectively > could influence on the result... And a good solution to non-Ericsson > users who don't want to customize their cable... :-) I think GP checks for the status of the DCD line when you configure it to talk to a modem (i.e. give GP a phone number), and doesn't do this check if you fool it by telling it the PPP link is wired. > BTW, one other possibility could be that the DLR-3P cable forces itself > the DCD line to high, as does the newer Ericsson DRS-11 cable. > Can you check that ? I did, and the DCD is desperately low, even after a suceeded connection... ;) -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- ``This talk is like an Infinity commercial. You see lots of pretty pictures -- waves splashing up on rocks, sunsets, sandy beaches -- but you never see the car.'' Prof. Marv Solomon After listening to a less-than-perfect talk. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:31:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: Portable scanner for LX??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LXer's, As some of you likely have long experience w/scanners, is it possible to use a portable/hand scanner with a 200LX? If so, any suggestions as to what models [[and DOS scanner software (?)]] work with the LX? When I go to used computer stores and swap meets, I periodically encounter hand scanners priced for next to nothing, so I'm wondering if such a device might make a good traveling companion for the LX. Martin G. Ramirez ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:49:30 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: <20020702222334.58D234515@tiger.actrix.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:14:54 +1200 (NZT) 04h46m59s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:27:55 +1200 (NZT), Tony Hutchins wrote: > > Didn't you mention that using yquotes.de I would receive > > German versions of all that stuff? I tried it, but got only > > zeros and a few strange strings. I have still Roboweb 1.1, > > could this be the reason? > > I am not sure - I believe I tested it once with yquotes.de and > yquotes.fr. Will look into it. Here yquotes.de works fine - it even puts "," instead of "." for the decimal point. This is still the same as in maybe August last year. I am not sure how to reformat it to 64 col. There is only just enough room to squeeze the info into 80 col - for stocks, indices and exhange rates. It doesn't look too bad in 64 col when reformatting is turned off. If there is no volume (eg for an index or exchange rate) I allow the symbol name to take more room. Possibly if I remove the "open" and trim the hi & low.. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:14:36 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks and 9.bat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit keepsmiling Nigel wrote: >Unfortunately the ZTREE application ONLY works under Windows (see >FAQ #17) but for anyone using both environments (DOS on HPLX and >Windows on their desk / other machine) and who (like me) are entirely >happy using XTREE, then ZTREE WIN is a must! >me thinks: i have tried ZTREEE-WIN but .. not only do i dislike the font, but it self-destructed itself after 30 days for not sending them money. The only advantage i can see over XTGOLD v.3 is long filenames. Since i don't use those on the LX i won't need ZTREE-WIN! XTREE-GOLD runs just fine in 32 bit environment. btw. here is the FINAL version of 9.bat MHSR 9 @Tab @Spc MHSR 9 @Spc@Spc@Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 9 @Spc@Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 9 @Spc@Spc @Spc MHSR 9 @Cr@lf@Cr@lf@Cr@lf@Cr@lf @Cr@lf@Cr@lf MHSR 9 @Cr@lf@Cr@lf@Cr@lf @Cr@lf@Cr@lf MHSR 9 @Eol@Spc @Eol MHSR 9 @Spc@Eol @Eol MHSR 9 @Lf@Spc @Lf SLK 9 -1000 del 9 ren 9.slk 9 del 9.bak works like a charm :) :) :) keepsmiling Nigel for Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:16:51 +0200 Reply-To: Pierre TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: [TECH] Does HV read compressed *.htm files ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I compressed *.htm files with "diet -d -g -b filename" [factor ~3 :-)]. I've made a batch file : diet -z > nul hv.exe diet -zr > nul HV don't accept the compressed file. How to do to read compressed *.htm files ? Thanks, Pierre TESTORI ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:15 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Portable scanner for LX??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:31:05 -0700, "Martin G. Ramirez" = wrote: > As some of you likely have long experience w/scanners, is it possible = to > use a portable/hand scanner with a 200LX? If so, any suggestions as to > what models [[and DOS scanner software (?)]] work with the LX? When I = go > to used computer stores and swap meets, I periodically encounter hand > scanners priced for next to nothing, so I'm wondering if such a device > might make a good traveling companion for the LX. I agree, it would be very nice to connect a b/w hand scanner to the LX, just for storing little drawings for example, as it is easily possible with pen palmtops. Well, AFAIK most of these hand scanners had proprietary interface cards, so this is not an easy way to connect them to the LX. Would involve much hardware hacking. :-) What we have on the palmtop is a serial port, and with a special PCMCIA card we could also have a parallel port or even SCSI. So if you find a hand scanner for one of these interface types, and if a DOS driver exists, it would probably work with the LX. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:35 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:49:30 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Here yquotes.de works fine - it even puts "," instead of "." > for the decimal point. This is still the same as in maybe > August last year. So I should probably upgrade my scripts. ;-) I have still the v1.1 Roboweb scripts. Will look into it later today. > I am not sure how to reformat it to 64 col. There is only just > enough room to squeeze the info into 80 col - for stocks, > indices and exhange rates. It doesn't look too bad in 64 col > when reformatting is turned off. If there is no volume (eg for > an index or exchange rate) I allow the symbol name to take > more room. Possibly if I remove the "open" and trim the hi & > low.. I think I will become happy with the 80col format. It 's not too much work wo zoom and swtich reformatting off when viewing the stock messages. With my prior email service (which was www.sharper.de, who send out daily emails with (old!) stock quotes) I even had to switch to the _tiny_ font to make it readable. I mean the really tiny one, with more than 80 cols in one row (105 or so?) And I will see if GOPRICES satisfies my wishes for graphing capabilities. ;-) Oh, and I have yet to try out QB2ISO! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony :-) On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:13:22 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Another one is news.cis.dfn.de. I forget how to get a password Thanks a lot for this tip! Anyone interested: Have a look at http://news.cis.dfn.de It is a server hosted at FU-Berlin (Freie Universitaet Berlin), and the server is part of the DFN (Deutsches Forschungsnetz =3D German research network), so it should be fairly fast and reliable. ;-) The news.compuserve.com is terribly slow here! I have sent an email to the maintainers of news.cis.dfn.de to get login and password (the personal email is required). I hope to get the info today, then I'll report if this is faster. It should be for me, because the server is only a few kilometers of network wires away from me. ;-) > [News3] > Server=3Dnews.compuserve.com > Login=3D100xxx,xxx > Password=3Dabcdefg unencrypted. :-( Since the Robonews.scripts are encrypted themselves, wouldn't it be possible to let them decrypt an encrpted password? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:59 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Erwann On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:10:16 +0200, Erwann ABALEA = wrote: > BTW, Daniel, you can update your webpages on the connection between an > HP200 and a Nokia 6310, with the DLR-3 cable. That's what I use, and it > works. THanks! With the next major homepage update, I will add this. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:33:40 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:27:59 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > On the old Compuserve that could be done using the command "GO > PRICES". > > On my webpage I have GOPRICES.ZIP > > The default output is in fact to create a 123-compatible file, > for each ticker. Wow. :-) This is _really_ amazing. I make a suggestion to make an enhancement to Roboweb, and you already have done it. ;-) Probably I should have looked into GOPRICES. I have seen it, but didn't pay it much attention yet. This will change now! > Thanks Daniel! It's been a lot of fun using ROBOT/LX. > GOPRICES/yquote/yweather (the classic compuserve "lookalikes") I have neer used the Compuserve-specific services. I have a Compuserve account, but only for the one purpose to access Internet from whereever I am. I don't use it at home at all. But if the Compuserve serveices looked like the yquotes output, it would have impressed me. I like plain text output. Before I know about yweather, I used to go wo www.wetter.com (I think there is also a www.weather.com), to loook up local weather forecast, and I thought about getting it via Roboweb, but it is such a terrible interface: frames, Javascript, no own URLs for the really interesting pages, so it would have been hard to set it up with Roboweb, if not impossible. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:05:44 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:36:28 +1200 (NZT) 1 day 22m26s ago ... On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:14:02 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I would like to format it in a way that even with Post/LX > "Reformat" turned on and with 64 column display the list > is displayed correctly. Hi Daniel, what about this for an example? This dig in the outbox: ------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:30:21 From: ROBOWEB/LX To: yquotes.de dbkgn.de+cbkg.de+dtegn.de+siegn.de+dpwgn.de+lhag.de+dcxgn.d= e+vowg.de+eurusd=3Dx+^dji Subject: de.finance.yahoo.com example=09 yquot64=3D1 ------- produced this in the inbox: ------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:30:12 Message-Id: From: Roboweb/LX [txt] To: de.finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=3Ddbkgn.de+cbkg.de+dtegn.de+siegn.= de+dpwgn.de+lhag.de+dcxgn.de+vowg.de+eurusd=3Dx+^dji&f=3Dsnvohgl1c1d1t1&c=3D= .csv Subject: 1:de.finance.yahoo.com example=09 Symb/Name Hi/Ask Low/Bid Last Change Update --------------- -------- -------- -------- -------- ---------- DEUTSCHE BANK N 69,09 67,50 68,16 +0,81 7/3 10:10 COMMERZBANK AG 15,11 14,99 15,00 +0,01 7/3 10:10 DT TELEKOM N 9,83 9,56 9,58 +0,05 7/3 10:10 SIEMENS N 58,44 57,15 57,34 -0,10 7/3 10:10 DEUTSCHE POST NA 12,58 12,44 12,48 -0,01 7/3 10:09 DT LUFTHANSA AG 14,28 13,90 14,03 0,00 7/3 10:10 DAIMLERCHRYSLER 47,20 46,59 46,66 +0,05 7/3 10:10 VOLKSWAGEN AG 46,95 45,87 45,97 -0,73 7/3 10:10 EUR to USD N/A N/A 0,978100 N/A 7/3 10:00 DJ INDU AVERAGE 9135,82 8960,54 9007,75 -102,04 7/2 22:04 (Oh dearie me look what happened to the djia) ----------- It is indestructibly formatted to fill 64 columns so that in middle font in POST/LX it makes no difference if reformatting is on or off. It has no volume or opening price. Anyway, if you like it I can upload the new scripts. To get this 64 column output you need to have yquot64=3D1 in the dig or just in the [HTTP] section will do. You can get quotes for German stocks at different exchanges all over Germany! To make sure you get a local quote I think you need the ".de". You have to just "know" what the currency is. These daily quotes are just snapshots. There is not much point in doing any plotting with them - for that it's best to get the historic daily data. Here is the csv file - I nabbed it from c:\tmp\get.htm - -------- 514000.DE;DEUTSCHE BANK N ;1001851;67,50;69,09;67,50;68,16;+0,81;7/3/2002;= 10:10 803200.DE;COMMERZBANK AG ;150128;15,01;15,11;14,99;15,00;+0,01;7/3/2002;1= 0:10 555750.DE;DT TELEKOM N ;3624116;9,61;9,83;9,56;9,58;+0,05;7/3/2002;10:1= 0 723610.DE;SIEMENS N ;900943;57,15;58,44;57,15;57,34;-0,10;7/3/2002;1= 0:10 555200.DE;DEUTSCHE POST NA;153883;12,47;12,58;12,44;12,48;-0,01;7/3/2002;1= 0:09 823212.DE;DT LUFTHANSA AG ;198750;13,90;14,28;13,90;14,03;0,00;7/3/2002;10= :10 710000.DE;DAIMLERCHRYSLER ;896588;46,74;47,20;46,59;46,66;+0,05;7/3/2002;1= 0:10 766400.DE;VOLKSWAGEN AG ;389530;46,50;46,95;45,87;45,97;-0,73;7/3/2002;1= 0:10 EURUSD=3DX;EUR to USD ;N/A;N/A;N/A;N/A;0,978100;N/A;7/3/2002;10:00 ^DJI;DJ INDU AVERAGE ;N/A;9104,95;9135,82;8960,54;9007,75;-102,04;7/2/2002= ;22:04 -------- This has the volume/open in. See how my input tickers came back - dcxgn.de comes back as 710000.de - whereas dcx is probably a usa quote (probably 710000.mu would give a Munich quote)This is all hidden in the output. I only get the symbol in case there is not a "name", and show the name by preference. So, it's all a bit rough and ready, but there is only so much sace on a line - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:15:25 +0100 Reply-To: hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: HP Staber Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > Hi friends, > > I would like to be able to use Robonews/LX whereever I am. > Currently, I use a news server, which is only available from home, > because it uses member authentication via network login. > > So I need a news server which allows direct server authentication. > > Does Compuserve offer this service? If not, where can I get this = serveice? > How do I have to set up Robonews for server authentication? I use news.CIS.DFN.DE as ISP independant news server for years now. I think the server is located at the University of Berlin (g). You have to accept their terms of use and they will provide you with an authentication process. HP Staber/Salzburg NetNEWS-Dienst der TU Berlin Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:57:10 +0200 (MEST) From: news-register@cis.dfn.de (DFN-CIS-Newsteam) Subject: Bestaetigung Ihrer Anmeldung zum NetNews-Dienst des DFN-CIS=09 Ab sofort k=F6nnen Sie auf dem Server "News.CIS.DFN.DE" in etwa 18.000 nationalen und internationalen Newsgruppen Artikel lesen und schreiben. Bitte konfigurieren Sie das Programm, das Sie zum Newslesen benutzen, mit folgenden Parametern: Server/Newsserver News.CIS.DFN.DE Username/Konto xxx Passwort/Kennwort xxx Userid xxx (wird im Normalfall nicht ben=F6tigt) Bei Problemen wenden Sie sich bitte per E-Mail an "news-register@cis.dfn.d= e". Anmeldung und Nutzung des NetNews-Dienstes sind f=FCr Sie kostenfrei. Es = handelt sich um einen Dienst des DFN-CIS (Center for Information Services) an der Zentraleinrichtung f=FCr Datenverarbeitung der Freien Universit=E4t = Berlin. DFN-CIS wird durch den DFN-Verein mit Mitteln des BMBF gef=F6rdert. Weitere Informationen =FCber den NetNews-Dienst erhalten Sie im WWW: http://news.cis.dfn.de/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:42:31 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:28:47 +1200 (NZT) 57m55s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:52 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I have sent an email to the maintainers of news.cis.dfn.de to > get login and password (the personal email is required). I > hope to get the info today, then I'll report if this is > faster. It should be for me, because the server is only a > few kilometers of network wires away from me. ;-) Wow, that is so convenient - an authenticated news server just down the road :) Here I have found a local server is very fast. Great chance for me to test robo :) > > Password=3Dabcdefg > > unencrypted. :-( Thanks for raising this - originally it was encrypted but I didn't want to have to explain how to encrypt it - basically it needs to be input to POST.CFG or WWW.CFG using the setup programs, and then pasted across to ROBOT.CFG. Now, if you add PWEncrypted=3D1 to [NNTP] then robo will assume your password is encrypted and decrypt it for transmission. I will upload the new robonews scripts tomorrow. They also allow a robonews box to be fed newsgroups from an external file - I have found this really handy - newsgroups can be added/subtracted from a simple list (using ; in front to disable them). Plus, the robot.cfg is much smaller. All this is optional. > Since the Robonews.scripts are encrypted themselves, wouldn't > it be possible to let them decrypt an encrpted password? The encryption used for the scripts is probably different to the password but ROBOT/LX has a built-in function to decrypt a password :) Daniel, many thanks for your great suggestions! And also, all of your questions - very valuable feedback for the product! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:29:27 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Stock Charts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel, instead of collecting data from the web to build your own charts through an application or Lotus123, why not downloading ready made realtime charts from the web for free? My favorites are charts from Teledata. Their charts come as one 4 KB file with 314x102 pixel. On the left is a 6 month chart with 38 days moving average. On the right is the intraday chart including last day close. The charts are 15 min delayed. I use WWW/LX and GET for automated download. If you want for example the DaimlerChrysler chart, create GET.DAT with (line may be broken by the email client) http://gis3.teledata.de/forum1/charts/nb_chart_small?symm=3DDCX.ETR = c:\charts\dcx.gif This downloads the Xetra chart of DaimlerChrysler as DCX.GIF into your C:\CHARTS directory. The Teledata charts are best viewed with LXPIC/=DFd. You may download as many charts as you like. Just add new lines to your GET.DAT file. Good intraday DAX and DOW charts are: http://www2.comdirect.de/home/hp_marketfocus?symm=3Ddax_intra c:\charts\da= x.gif http://www2.comdirect.de/home/hp_marketfocus?symm=3Ddj_intra c:\charts\do= w.gif Off topic: If you are serious into the stock market and have a Palm laying around, consider to revive it with the StockManager program from www.tinystocks.com. This program leaves no wishes open. AFAIK it uses the same procedure as ROBOWEB to download quotes from YAHOO, but it has a complete application build on top of that, nothing you can program in a few afternoons for the HP200LX! Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:47:31 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Portable scanner for LX??? IMO, storing a scanned image for display on the LX is better accomplished by a digital camera, of which quite decent models are available at good prices and pocketable sizes. While it is another thing to carry, it may prove no larger than the combination of a scanner and cable, and is likely more versatile. I believe some models offer sufficient resolution to allow OCR software to process text on the image, tho I've never had the occasion to try that myself. I have used my Canon S330 to store documents and even whiteboard information (try that with a hand scanner!). - Longden > > As some of you likely have long experience w/scanners, is it possible to > > use a portable/hand scanner with a 200LX? If so, any suggestions as to > > what models [[and DOS scanner software (?)]] work with the LX? When I go > > to used computer stores and swap meets, I periodically encounter hand > > scanners priced for next to nothing, so I'm wondering if such a device > > might make a good traveling companion for the LX. > > I agree, it would be very nice to connect a b/w hand scanner to the LX, > just for storing little drawings for example, as it is easily possible > with pen palmtops. > > Well, AFAIK most of these hand scanners had proprietary interface > cards, so this is not an easy way to connect them to the LX. Would > involve much hardware hacking. :-) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:37:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: [TECH] Does HV read compressed *.htm files ? Comments: To: Pierre TESTORI In-Reply-To: <20020703081842.C0B2FFC33@smtp.vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Correct! HV accepts HTM files, not ZIP files. I think the same is true for other browsers, no? If you can somehow convince your DIET program to decompress them BEFORE handing them to HV this will work. Somehow it seems you expected that HV will decompress archives too, right? I wonder where this information came from, I'd like to correct it. Avi D&A Software At 7/3/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I compressed *.htm files with "diet -d -g -b filename" [factor ~3 :-)]. > >I've made a batch file : > >diet -z > nul >hv.exe >diet -zr > nul > >HV don't accept the compressed file. > >How to do to read compressed *.htm files ? > >Thanks, > >Pierre TESTORI > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:03:55 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Re: Portable scanner for LX??? Comments: To: "Martin G. Ramirez" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick look at the archives yields following info: text strippers around that should make it at least feasible. - if by "handscanner" you mean the kind that you held in your hand and pass over the text instead of a flatbed, then yes. I bought a Dexxa handheld scanner that worked fine with DOS, and included its own DOS graphics package and Catchword OCR from Logitech. Of course, it wasn't TWAIN compliant, which meant I could ONLY use it with its own packages. - Logitech ScanMan. Ran in DOS. Strictly B&W. I have one in a drawer. Complete with 5 1/4 floppy. Not TWAIN, of course. Hooks to serial port. - what might work would be a handheld model that connects to a parallel port, and then use the Transdigital card in the palmtop... < Saw this scanner at EXP website. Works in DOS. But draws 460mA/5V thru PCMCIA slot, so may need 200lx to be plugged in. http://www.expnet.com/product.nsf/a675c0cf2e2bf6a7882564b2007234 11/166da38b85d3c975882564d50014a30c?OpenDocument - Thats too much current draw. It would probably work if the pcmcia version is 2.0 and not 2.01, but the LX would get hot and the screen would fade and you'd probably burn out the LX's internal power converter prematurely. Sounds like a doable thing for those who have a doubleslot, which has it's own power supply. ..... Etienne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin G. Ramirez" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 03:31 AM Subject: Portable scanner for LX??? | LXer's, | | As some of you likely have long experience w/scanners, is it possible to | use a portable/hand scanner with a 200LX? If so, any suggestions as to | what models [[and DOS scanner software (?)]] work with the LX? When I go | to used computer stores and swap meets, I periodically encounter hand | scanners priced for next to nothing, so I'm wondering if such a device | might make a good traveling companion for the LX. | | Martin G. Ramirez | | | | ============================ | Dr. Martin G. Ramirez | Department of Biology | Loyola Marymount University | One LMU Drive, MS 8220 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. | (310) 338-5120 | FAX: (310) 338-4479 | e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu | ============================= | | | NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education | | ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml | | ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: [TECH] Does HV read compressed *.htm files ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703083514.02abecd0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > At 7/3/02 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I compressed *.htm files with "diet -d -g -b filename" [factor ~3 :-)]. > > > >I've made a batch file : > > > >diet -z > nul > >hv.exe > >diet -zr > nul > > > >HV don't accept the compressed file. > > > >How to do to read compressed *.htm files ? > > > Correct! HV accepts HTM files, not ZIP files. I think the > same is true for other browsers, no? If you can somehow > convince your DIET program to decompress them BEFORE handing > them to HV this will work. That's what he is doing, using diet in tsr mode to decompress on the fly. I tried the above example and it works for me. There was some discussion in the archives about this possibly causing file corruption, but I didn't find anything definite. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:05:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: [TECH] Does HV read compressed *.htm files ? Comments: To: Michael Kopplin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > At 7/3/02 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > > > >I compressed *.htm files with "diet -d -g -b filename" [factor ~3 :-)]. > > > > > >I've made a batch file : > > > > > >diet -z > nul > > >hv.exe > > >diet -zr > nul > > > > > >HV don't accept the compressed file. > > > > > >How to do to read compressed *.htm files ? > > > > > > Correct! HV accepts HTM files, not ZIP files. I think the > > same is true for other browsers, no? If you can somehow > > convince your DIET program to decompress them BEFORE handing > > them to HV this will work. > >That's what he is doing, using diet in tsr mode to decompress on >the fly. Oh, he is using the batch file above... I wasn't sure because I don't think HV knows which page to render, except its default home page. In truth, I have not tried it, and I cannot now, so I am at a disadvantage saying anything... >I tried the above example and it works for me. What did HV display? Which page did it display? >There was some discussion in the archives about this possibly causing file >corruption, but I didn't find anything definite. Yes, and then there is a snippet of memory that there was a way to do it directly from within HV - but I am not sure about this... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:13:17 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: FS: Omnibook 300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently bought the Omnibook 300 on eBay from a list member. I've been playing with it and while it has some good points (easy transfer to LX, light weight for its size, AA battery operation, 386 processor, VGA mono, 85 meg Flash card) I really don't have any use for it. (Says my wonderful but non-computer addicted husband.) Before I list it again on eBay, I'd like to offer it to the list for $115 - includes shipping in US. I'll even throw in a PCMCIA 14400 modem. So you can download your email and newsgroups, pop the flash card in your LX and go. :-) The larger keyboard is also very nice for data entry. No manuals or discs came with the unit. Just the computer and power adaptor. (The laptop battery doesn't hold a charge long.) It has Windows 3.1 installed, along with the HP PIMs (excluding the database). I can even put software on the flash card if someone has something they want to have ready to go. If you have any questions, please email me off-list at: owen6511@mchsi.com sandstar.geo@yahoo.com Thanks, Terry Owen p.s. I prefer PayPal but will take a money order. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:34:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:42:31 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > Thanks for raising this - originally it was encrypted but I > didn't want to have to explain how to encrypt it - basically > it needs to be input to POST.CFG or WWW.CFG using the setup > programs, and then pasted across to ROBOT.CFG. Or simply use wwwsetup to encrypt it, that way: wwwsetup password > enc_pass.txt then you'll have a file enc_pass.txt containing the encrypted password, just copy and paste it into robot.cfg. > Now, if you add PWEncrypted=3D1 to [NNTP] then robo will assume > your password is encrypted and decrypt it for transmission. :-) With now, you mean after the next update, right? > I will upload the new robonews scripts tomorrow. They also > allow a robonews box to be fed newsgroups from an external > file - I have found this really handy - newsgroups can be > added/subtracted from a simple list (using ; in front to > disable them). Plus, the robot.cfg is much smaller. All this > is optional. Great! > The encryption used for the scripts is probably different to > the password but ROBOT/LX has a built-in function to decrypt a > password :) Very handy. Oh, and dangerous. Anyone having robot.exe can then decrypt passwords from the cfg files.... > Daniel, many thanks for your great suggestions! And also, all > of your questions - very valuable feedback for the product! And a very valuable product for me. :-) Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:12:57 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: Omnibook sold - thanks for the quick responses! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My husband can stop grumbling now. Thanks a bunch for everyone who responded to my Omnibook. Terry Owen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:26:15 EDT Reply-To: Cgldent@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Colin Lambert Subject: 200lx pim onto win98 laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you set up the 200lx appt book, phone list etc on a win 98 laptop. I have the connectivity pack. The error message I get is EL12.... ANOTHER PROGRAM HAS OCCUPIED int 7eh OR 7fh. Please remove it and try again. Or I get EL1, ELO ...ECHO APP200: CPACK200 TSR is already loaded. APP200 can not be run. Try typing EXIT to return to APP200. When I exit the dos box it reverts back to the desktop. At one point I got it running but then it stopped and I dont know what I did differently. Thanks. PS I dont know if this is related but when I shut down the computer to restart in dos mode it goes to a blank screen and then hangs there. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:45:23 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: [TECH] Does HV read compressed *.htm files ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703095947.00a36930@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Correct! HV accepts HTM files, not ZIP files. I think the > > > same is true for other browsers, no? If you can somehow > > > convince your DIET program to decompress them BEFORE handing > > > them to HV this will work. > > > >That's what he is doing, using diet in tsr mode to decompress on > >the fly. > > Oh, he is using the batch file above... I wasn't sure because I don't > think HV knows which page to render, except its default home page. > > > >I tried the above example and it works for me. > > What did HV display? Which page did it display? If that's all there is to the bat file, it should display the default page and that's what it did. Then from the menu I loaded the previously compressed file and it loaded and displayed correctly. If the original poster meant to load the file when hv starts he needs to change his bat file. > >There was some discussion in the archives about this possibly causing file > >corruption, but I didn't find anything definite. > > Yes, and then there is a snippet of memory that there was a way to do it > directly from within HV - but I am not sure about this... I have no recollection of that, nor did I find a direct solution mentioned in the archives, at least not for hv. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:11:45 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: How to delete file??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear List, A little while ago I installed Keybez and the Russian character set. I messed around with it for a few minutes, creating a file and stuff. Then I uninstalled it. I tried to do a backup of c: drive a few days ago and couldn't! Near the beginning of the backup it tried to read a 0 byte file with russian characters. It couldn't, and aborted the backup batch. I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys Manager. The file isn't recognized there. This is pretty serious as I can't back up my c: drive now. Any help would be appreciated! Eric ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:26:17 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: Portable scanner for LX??? Comments: To: mramirez@LMU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Only the oldest, very first black-and-white scanners were RS232 port attached. Like the first Microtek in 1986, which weighted almost 10kilos. These could work with the hplx wired serial port. You could probably find -after long search- a parallel port scanner, which has real-mode DOS driver and use with the SPP-100 pcmcia parallel port card. Or maybe an SCSI scanner with SCSI pcmcia card, if there is scsicard fit for the 200lx. Another possibility is to use a portable fax device with pcmcia or pocket modem in the palmtop. There was a special miniature fax machine, which could only transmit. You use the modem in your laptop to receive faxes. It came with a null-telephony cable, so you could use it for scanning (equal to faxing to yourself). It was limited to 200dpi grayscale and DIN A4 sized paper. Finally, you could use a multi-megapixel digital camera to photo the paper and move the CF card into the palmtop. This is probably the best solution. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:42:50 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: 200lx pim onto win98 laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin Lambert wrote: > How do you set up the 200lx appt book, phone list etc on a win 98 laptop. I > have the connectivity pack. The error message I get is EL12.... ANOTHER > PROGRAM HAS OCCUPIED int 7eh OR 7fh. Please remove it and try again. I use about the same kind of setup as you do and no machine so far has had any trouble. I just start it and there I am. FWIW this is my hp.bat: echo on subst b: c:\driver\hp-con c: cd\driver\hp-con app200 REM subst b: /D Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:38:27 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: Re: ZIP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again my 2c worth. I have tried many transfer programs between palmtop and desk machine and in the main would have no hesitation in recommending ZIP I have a couple of batch files on the 95LX, one to run as a SERVER the other to initiate backup of all changed files and makes new directories if required. The batch file has three lines: C:\zip c:\*.* /[d:\data\HP95] /s/t C:\zip a:\*.* /[d:\data\HP95] /s/t c:\zip /u It is VERY easy, quick and reliable just using a 3-wire serial interface. On the desk PC I also run ZIP either as a SERVER (to receive the backup files from the 95) or in conjunction with XTGOLD/ZTREE WIN to make transfer of selected file as easy as 'click click'! (Select file (highlight) and then menu (F9), press return and its done!) The only issue I can think of when using ZIP is that the transfer speed between machines must be synchronised i.e. both must use same settings but once set-up nothing could be simpler. I have even DIETED ZIP on the palmtop (make sure configuration is correct first) and it takes less space but still runs FAST! All the best from Nigel R in sunny South Africa ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:52:14 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: How to delete file??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Greenspoon wrote: > I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys > Manager. The file isn't recognized there. > This is pretty serious as I can't back up my c: drive now. I always use the Volkov commander for this kind of thing - Filer is not nearly as good. If the file is not shown, it might be hidden. Try dir /A:H from the dos prompt. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:17:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:01:13 +1200 (NZT) 04h26m28s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:34:45 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Or simply use wwwsetup to encrypt it, that way: > wwwsetup password > enc_pass.txt Daniel, thanks - I had forgotten that - It will go in the docs! > > Now, if you add PWEncrypted=3D1 to [NNTP] then robo will > > assume your password is encrypted and decrypt it for > > transmission. > > :-) > With now, you mean after the next update, right? Yup, I tested it last night with cis.dfn.de - they still remember me after 2 years . It's an excellent service. They have 21,182 groups, including a couple I asked them for - they even have nz.general and nz.comp :) I made it so if you have the one PWencrypted=3D1 in [NNTP] then all passwords are assumed to be encrypted. Passwords can be in the [Newsx] sections or box sections (just in case different groups have different passwords on the same server). I also therefore allow a PWencrypted=3D1 (or =3D0) to be in the same section as the Password in case some are encrypted and some are not. > > The encryption used for the scripts is probably different > > to the password but ROBOT/LX has a built-in function to > > decrypt a password :) > > Very handy. Oh, and dangerous. Anyone having robot.exe can > then decrypt passwords from the cfg files.... Yes, true. I use it to find out what my passwords are You are right - anyone could do it, but it takes a little work, so there is some degree of security. - Tony -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:13:29 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: <3D2355EE.CA92FD94@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Axel Berger wrote: > Eric Greenspoon wrote: > > I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys > > Manager. The file isn't recognized there. > > This is pretty serious as I can't back up my c: drive now. > > I always use the Volkov commander for this kind of thing - Filer is not > nearly as good. If the file is not shown, it might be hidden. Try > dir /A:H from the dos prompt. Another thing you might try is to move all the other files to a different directory and then from a DOS prompt do "del *.*" in the original directory. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:05:44 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > produced this in the inbox: > > ------ > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:30:12 > Message-Id: > From: Roboweb/LX [txt] > To: de.finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=3Ddbkgn.de+cbkg.de+dtegn.de+sieg= n.de+dpwgn.de+lhag.de+dcxgn.de+vowg.de+eurusd=3Dx+^dji&f=3Dsnvohgl1c1d1t1&= c=3D > .csv > Subject: 1:de.finance.yahoo.com example=09 > > Symb/Name Hi/Ask Low/Bid Last Change Update > --------------- -------- -------- -------- -------- ---------- > DEUTSCHE BANK N 69,09 67,50 68,16 +0,81 7/3 10:10 > COMMERZBANK AG 15,11 14,99 15,00 +0,01 7/3 10:10 > DT TELEKOM N 9,83 9,56 9,58 +0,05 7/3 10:10 Hey, looks good! (at least the format, not the values! :-( ) > It has no volume or opening price. That's okay. > Anyway, if you like it I can upload the new scripts. To get > this 64 column output you need to have yquot64=3D1 in the dig or > just in the [HTTP] section will do. Yes, I like it. Thanks for your efforts. I'm looking forward to get the new scripts version! > You can get quotes for German stocks at different exchanges > all over Germany! To make sure you get a local quote I think > you need the ".de". You have to just "know" what the currency > is. Yes, after I have upgraded the scripts to v1.3, the .de extension seems to work now. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:07:28 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > It only works for one message at a time, and re-writes a new > version of the message at the end of the inbox, rather like > what happens with F6 (Edit). Just tried it - easy installing, easy usage, and it works! :-) THank you once more for a valuable piece of software! :-) Now I only need to install the new Posth v3. Then I'm up-to-date. :-) > BTW for the first time I just took off the keyboard overlay on > my 200LX, fixed my F6 and F7 keys with ISOpropyl alcohol and a > cotton bud, padded the broken right leg of my spacebar with a > bit of elephant tape (just so it doesn't flap up easily). It's > like new again! Great. Did you peel off all the keys, pressing all the little pins out of the keyboard base? Lot of work, but it's worth the effort, if some keys are not responding reliably anymore. > > (No, it's not elephant tape - "Norton bear tape" - pretty > useless black fabric sticky stuff). Is elephant tape something similar to duck tape? ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:48 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Goprices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony, I don't know how many messages I wrote to you today, but here is another one: I installed Goprices. Easy. Seems to work, basically. But I have a major problem. Hope you will help me out, even if I don't pay the 100US$ registration fee. ;-) I want to call gp.bat from extprog.bat (or maybe later from another bat file, but _during_ an online run of Post/LX, so when gp.bat is called, WWW/LX has already set up an active connection). BUT: The program creates GET.BAT, which includes the line www.exe "!GET.EXE -d GET.TMP" This leads to an error, because www.exe is already running and active, so the get isn't executed at all. The only way around this so far sems to be to edit get.bat after its creation (could be done using sed), but this isn't really convenient. Do you know of another solution for that problem? Maybe there is a hidden switch in goprices.exe? ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:39:54 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Another thing you might try is to move all the other files to a >different directory and then from a DOS prompt do "del *.*" in the >original directory. > >-- >Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA Thanks Ted. I goofed a bit. It's a directory, not a file that I can't get rid of. Same problem though. I would try your suggestion but I'm a bit conerned about messing things up even further. I have SC and double speed driver installed. If I copy all of c: drive to another directory, do I risk losing anything important by doing a del c:*.* ? Eric ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:51:31 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:12:05 +0200 Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > Yes, that's the behaviour I have when I specify the phone number in GP > configuration, instead of putting 'WIRE' and doing the whole configuration > in the script. Maybe the 'WIRE' setting tells GP that what is connected to > COM1 is not a modem, so it doesn't check the DCD line... ;) Don't remember of this type of setting... [After read the docs]. OK. Don't know why this option has been really implemented, but it seems perfect in your case [GPRS connexion]. But that keeps the regular modem connexion problem open, when you use your non-DCD-enabled cable.... Or perhaps, using the "WIRE" option, we could find a way to trick GP to bypass the problem.... > > You will notice he talks about GP, not EPPPD... And apparently, he does > > this DCD status test directly from GP, not through EPPPD... > > Yes, just before calling EPPPD... No, just _after_.... > > Anyway, I could have been wrong when I thought that GP don't refered to > > EPPPD to know about the DCD line status. Then, your settings effectively > > could influence on the result... And a good solution to non-Ericsson > > users who don't want to customize their cable... :-) > > I think GP checks for the status of the DCD line when you configure it to > talk to a modem (i.e. give GP a phone number), and doesn't do this check > if you fool it by telling it the PPP link is wired. BTW, one other case of non DCD test is when you use an Ethernet card... Seems that we have yet a lot to learn about GP's possibilities... ;-) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:59:04 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.20020703175956.3d5f6c8c@toronto.enoreo.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Eric Greenspoon wrote: > >Another thing you might try is to move all the other files to a > >different directory and then from a DOS prompt do "del *.*" in the > >original directory. > > Thanks Ted. I goofed a bit. It's a directory, not a file that I can't > get rid of. Same problem though. > > I would try your suggestion but I'm a bit conerned about messing things up > even further. I have SC and double speed driver installed. If I copy all of > c: drive to another directory, do I risk losing anything important by doing > a del c:*.* ? Good question. Xcopy will not copy system or hidden files, so you will certainly miss several of those if you copy the entire c: drive. Where are all the DOS experts this afternoon? -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:11:12 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:52 +0200 Daniel Hertrich a icrit: > > Another one is news.cis.dfn.de. I forget how to get a password > > Thanks a lot for this tip! > Anyone interested: Have a look at http://news.cis.dfn.de FYI, I use news.cis.dfn.de since september 2000. Not any problem, except sometimes very slow connections (not arrived since several months, I must say). Several notes : - Check out the page http://news.cis.dfn.de/en/hierarchies.html for the time of messages retention. Some of the most used hierarchies are kept 113 days but some others (even in german language) are kept only 13 days. - When you send an email, you must present in your "From" header a valid domain name. your_login@your_domain.invalid is not accepted, but you can use anything_else@your_domain if you don't want to receive spam. Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:17:24 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Goprices In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:58:04 +1200 (NZT) 01h33m16s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:48 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Tony, I don't know how many messages I wrote to you today, > but here is another one: Always welcome :) > I installed Goprices. Easy. Seems to work, basically. But > I have a major problem. Hope you will help me out, even if > I don't pay the 100US$ registration fee. ;-) I only put that in so I can avoid support > I want to call gp.bat from extprog.bat (or maybe later from > another bat file, but _during_ an online run of Post/LX, > so when gp.bat is called, WWW/LX has already set up an > active connection). > > BUT: The program creates GET.BAT, which includes the line > www.exe "!GET.EXE -d GET.TMP" > > This leads to an error, because www.exe is already running > and active, so the get isn't executed at all. Oh! Tha is all supported since December last year but I just checked my site and that version is not there!!! I have only distributed it to current users and plain forgot to upload it. > Maybe there is a hidden switch in goprices.exe? ;-) LOL! There is there is. I will switch versions . Thanks so much for beinging this to my attention. Will be uploaded within 6 hours or so. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:21:29 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several things you might try: First, go to DOS C: prompt 1st thing I'd try is to remove the bad directory example: RD baddir or, RD BAD* or, see if you can rename (REN) the directory. example: REN baddir gooddir then delete the newly renamed directory If neither of those work, then a global delete is the only other thing I can think of. John -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of Theodore Heise Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:59 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: How to delete file??? On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Eric Greenspoon wrote: > >Another thing you might try is to move all the other files to a > >different directory and then from a DOS prompt do "del *.*" in the > >original directory. > > Thanks Ted. I goofed a bit. It's a directory, not a file that I can't > get rid of. Same problem though. > > I would try your suggestion but I'm a bit conerned about messing things up > even further. I have SC and double speed driver installed. If I copy all of > c: drive to another directory, do I risk losing anything important by doing > a del c:*.* ? Good question. Xcopy will not copy system or hidden files, so you will certainly miss several of those if you copy the entire c: drive. Where are all the DOS experts this afternoon? -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:42:22 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Comments: To: Eric Greenspoon In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.20020703152209.2877cf24@toronto.enoreo.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys do it from the dos command using wildcard characters * and ?, practice to get the pattern you need using the wildcards and the dir command ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:30:43 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: <20020703233125.E49F.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jacques Belin wrote: > Le Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:12:05 +0200 > Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > > > Yes, that's the behaviour I have when I specify the phone number in G= P > > configuration, instead of putting 'WIRE' and doing the whole configur= ation > > in the script. Maybe the 'WIRE' setting tells GP that what is connect= ed to > > COM1 is not a modem, so it doesn't check the DCD line... ;) > > Don't remember of this type of setting... > [After read the docs]. > OK. Don't know why this option has been really implemented, but it seem= s > perfect in your case [GPRS connexion]. I think this option is used when you connect the HP200 directly to a host providing you a PPP connection, such as a Linux with the pppd daemon, or = a Windows machine with MochaPPP. In this case, the DCD signal is not relevant. > But that keeps the regular modem connexion problem open, when you use > your non-DCD-enabled cable.... > Or perhaps, using the "WIRE" option, we could find a way to trick GP to > bypass the problem.... And the WIRE option is perfect for that. After all, the DCD line os only = a check that the modem carrier is here. And in the case of a mobile phone, this hasn't much sense either, since the modem is not here, it's located in the provider's equipment. > > > You will notice he talks about GP, not EPPPD... And apparently, he= does > > > this DCD status test directly from GP, not through EPPPD... > > > > Yes, just before calling EPPPD... > > No, just _after_.... No, just _before_. After having loaded EPPPD, GP *must not* play with the serial port, it's the job of EPPPD, and noone else. I think GP checks the status of the DCD line to see if the connection has been established. It seems the script part has been quickly developed, as you can't escape characters such as the '"', and the script can't send back a return value= , such as an error code. This would permit GP to avoid checking for the DCD status, it would only have to check the status of the script (NO CARRIER, BUSY, NO DIALTONE, ...). Anyway, this check can be avoided, thanks to the WIRE mode. > > > Anyway, I could have been wrong when I thought that GP don't refere= d to > > > EPPPD to know about the DCD line status. Then, your settings effect= ively > > > could influence on the result... And a good solution to non-Ericsso= n > > > users who don't want to customize their cable... :-) > > > > I think GP checks for the status of the DCD line when you configure i= t to > > talk to a modem (i.e. give GP a phone number), and doesn't do this ch= eck > > if you fool it by telling it the PPP link is wired. > > BTW, one other case of non DCD test is when you use an Ethernet card... Yes, of course, but you don't have to load a PPP driver either. And like = I just said earlier in this mail, a direct connection between 2 PCs doesn't use any modem, even if a serial line is involved, and a PPP link is necessary. > Seems that we have yet a lot to learn about GP's possibilities... ;-) One can always find new things with oldies like that. I'm just testing other software, like Minuet, BobCat, Trumpet, and others... --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- j'ai oubli=E9 de dire que je n ai pas de confirmation sur la source de cette information. Cela peut se r=E9veler =EAtre une fausse rumeur ! -+- JPB in: GNU - Une fausse rumeur est-elle une vraie info ? -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:52:18 -0400 Reply-To: ericgree@ENOREO.ON.CA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks John. The only problem with your first suggestion is that I no longer have the Russian characters installed. I'd have to re-install them and see if I could figure out which key corresponds to the Russian characters. Then do a RD. I certainly couldn't rename the directory in Sys. Manager. It said file does not exist! I guess I'll have to reinstall the characters and give it a shot. Will a global delete erase my hidden files on c:, my SC swap space and Double speed drivers etc? >Several things you might try: >First, go to DOS C: prompt > >1st thing I'd try is to remove the bad directory >example: RD baddir >or, RD BAD* > >or, see if you can rename (REN) the directory. >example: REN baddir gooddir >then delete the newly renamed directory > >If neither of those work, then a global delete is the only other thing I can >think of. > >John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:58:59 +0800 Reply-To: Wee-Meng Lee Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Wee-Meng Lee Subject: Re: 200lx pim onto win98 laptop Comments: To: Cgldent@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: from "Colin Lambert" at Jul 03, 2002 12:26:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > How do you set up the 200lx appt book, phone list etc on a win 98 laptop. I > have the connectivity pack. The error message I get is EL12.... ANOTHER > I use the standalone window based programs for appointment book, phone book, database and calculator on my laptop. I think these programs are available on super. I got mine off my old HP omnibook. For file transfers, I just use a flashcard. It's mainly one way, from my 200LX to the laptop. Rgds, weemeng ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:36:25 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020703205218.007bf230@toronto.enoreo.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Eric Greenspoon wrote: > I certainly couldn't rename the directory in Sys. Manager. It said file > does not exist! > > Will a global delete erase my hidden files on c:, my SC swap space and > Double speed drivers etc? If it was a file you could try del *.* /p which would prompt you about deleting each file, though it's likely this wouldn't work either. Of course delte won't work on directories, and rd doesn't have an equivalent command. What I use is a disk editor, like norton utility, and edit the directory entry directly. Then I can remove it. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:23:56 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: ANN: QB2ISO.SCR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:36:39 +1200 (NZT) 05h11m53s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:46 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Just tried it - easy installing, easy usage, and it > works! :-) THank you once more for a valuable piece of > software! :-) Thanks for testing - I'm pleased it works - it's a bit slow because it looks for multi-lined From:/Subject: and also multi instances of encoding but I'm not sure it will work for mixed ?Q? and ?B? in the same header - I just hope that's not legal > Great. Did you peel off all the keys, pressing all the little > pins out of the keyboard base? Lot of work, but it's worth > the effort, if some keys are not responding reliably anymore. Ahha, no I didn't do that. Couldn't see how to get the keys out. A project for next time - it will be easier to remove the overlay - one corner sits up a little . I also couldn't get rid of the dust attached to the sticky stuff under the keyboard overlay - didn't see a way to do that and not remove the glue too. > Is elephant tape something similar to duck tape? ;-) Oh no, I can't answer that . Probably not as it is more of a fabric than a plastic. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:24:00 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Roboweb/LX for stock quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:45:34 +1200 (NZT) 05h20m49s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:24:45 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Hey, looks good! (at least the format, not the values! :-( ) Sorry about the values :( Maybe OK for a buyer. > > It has no volume or opening price. > > That's okay. Great - I have uploaded the new version. > Yes, after I have upgraded the scripts to v1.3, the .de > extension seems to work now. Good to know. This means ROBOWEB is finalised . Next time I must add some good Swedish newspaper digs and also those URL's that Stefan uses for gifs! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:24:03 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN: Robonews/web & goprices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- New versions are at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th These are all for Daniel :) I added a ROBOGOP.SCR to GOPRICES so it can be controlled by the visit status of a specified POST/LX box (X-type or E-type). The script determines if GOPRICES is required on the on-line run, and does the updating of history file once WWW goes offline. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:33:41 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Comments: To: Eric Greenspoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I tried to do a backup of c: drive a few days ago and couldn't! > Near the beginning of the backup it tried to read a 0 byte file with > russian characters. > It couldn't, and aborted the backup batch. > > I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys > Manager. The file isn't recognized there. > This is pretty serious as I can't back up my c: drive now. I would suggest getting a DOS file manager - Qfiler is an example. Generally, you can use point and rename/delete so you do not have to try "spelling" out the file or subdirectory name. Good luck - such things are a pain but usually you can get to them with other dos tools. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:30:41 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Transfile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick of wrote: >If comes to a choice between free Transfile or $60 for >the connectivity pack, I'd choose the connectivity pack >especially where Transfile doesn't work. many of us list members don't use either Transfile or ConnPack. After having tried all i found the best combination is the Japanese solution: to tranfer files and see *.apt, *.pdb, *ndb, *gdb i use GDBWIN.EXE and W32.EXE both run on all puters, take only 180k on a floppy, are fast, and free (from SUPER) Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:27:25 -0700 Reply-To: freeway@UIA.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "T. McCoy" Subject: forgotten procedure.. In-Reply-To: <200207030402.g6342Qc23730@trex.uia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to all who replied with assistance. The operation was a success. Tommy ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:39:22 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Stock Charts Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE In-Reply-To: <17PhNl-0yh8ISC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:24:20 +1200 (NZT) 18h54m53s ago ... On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:29:27 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote: > http://gis3.teledata.de/forum1/charts/nb_chart_small?symm=3DDCX.ETR = c:\charts\dcx.gif > > This downloads the Xetra chart of DaimlerChrysler as DCX.GIF > into your C:\CHARTS directory. The Teledata charts are best > viewed with LXPIC/=DFd. Stefan, that LXPIC switch appears here as "beta" then "d". I have lxpic v7.2 but can't figure out what that switch means. The charts look fine here if I do a "+" and and "H" on them, after launching with LXPIC. > Good intraday DAX and DOW charts are: > > http://www2.comdirect.de/home/hp_marketfocus?symm=3Ddax_intra c:\charts\= dax.gif > http://www2.comdirect.de/home/hp_marketfocus?symm=3Ddj_intra c:\charts\= dow.gif I have added all three of your charts to RWEB.O - which I have just re-uploaded. I had to add a new variable because I have never seen a URL before that did not indicate the extension of the file (if binary). Very interesting! I agree these are excellent real-time snapshots. Plus of course there is 6 months' history shown for DCX. If only weather maps were so small :) The only good reason for keeping price history is if you want to do analysis that is not readily available. > Off topic: > > If you are serious into the stock market and have a Palm laying > around, consider to revive it with the StockManager program > from www.tinystocks.com. This program leaves no wishes open. It's great to find programs like that! LXPIC is another :) > AFAIK it uses the same procedure as ROBOWEB to download quotes > from YAHOO, interesting! > but it has a complete application build on top of that, > nothing you can program in a few afternoons for the HP200LX! Exactly! I know one program like that for charting - it would be a lifetime of work for me to do - but is a real pleasure to use. BTW, more off topic - did you try unsubscribing from HPLX-L and resubscribing? That's all I can think of for possibly fixing the digest. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:06:08 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Palmtop LED lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I decided to produce 10 more LED lights and sell them. I expect them to be ready in about 2-3 weeks. So, please, all who were interested before, and all who got interested or will get interested ;-) in buying a LED light for their palmtop, please send me _binding_orders_ now. Reminder: LED light info on http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/ledlight One LED light will cost 35 US$ plus shipping anywhere in the world. Shipping costs per 1 LED light are as follows: 6 US$ to the non-European world as a non-registered letter (no assurance, I am not responsible if the LED light doesn't arrive) 4 US$ to most European countries as a non-registered letter (no assurance, I am not responsible if the LED light doesn't arrive) So far all LED lights I shipped (abt. 30) arrived whereever I sent them, even without any registration or assurance. But one never knows. So if you think you need assurance, please let me know, I'll then go to the post office to ask what it will cost. Shipping will be in a music cassette box, inside a normal or padded envelope. Payment via Paypal (using your credit card) absolutely prefered, but also possible are bank cheque, money transfer to my German account, or Paybox. Some time after your order, you will get furher instructions about payment, mailing your shipping address and so on. But this can take several days. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: ANN: Robonews/web & goprices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:24:03 +1200, Tony Hutchins = wrote: > I added a ROBOGOP.SCR to GOPRICES so it can be controlled by > the visit status of a specified POST/LX box (X-type or > E-type). The script determines if GOPRICES is required on the > on-line run, and does the updating of history file once WWW > goes offline. Just downloaded the updated version - but there seems no change in goprices.zip to my prior version. Wrong link? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:07:52 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: ANN: Robonews/web & goprices Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:03:50 +1200 (NZT) 53m53s ago ... On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:57 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Just downloaded the updated version - but there seems no > change in goprices.zip to my prior version. Wrong link? Daniel, a thousand apologies for the hassle - I checked my automated upload and sure enough I uploaded from a local nonexistent directory!! :( Hopefully fixed now - I *watched* it this time and it definitely uploaded something of the right size and name. Thanks for the quick report! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:26:40 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 15h04m48s ago ... Tony Hutchins wrote: ^^^ I have installed Posth v3 :-) Works fine, but I have yet to make myself fammiliar with the various options. A lot to learn! > Yup, I tested it last night with cis.dfn.de - they still > remember me after 2 years . It's an excellent service. They > have 21,182 groups, including a couple I asked them for - they > even have nz.general and nz.comp :) I don't have my authentication data yet. But at least I upgraded Roboweb and Robonews to the latest version (please see my other posting about goprices - I hve rechecked, and the file version is indeed an old one...). Thanks a lot for the updates! I see you have even inserted the teledata stock charts dig into rweb.o! :-) Great! And thanks to RWEBFILE.BAT it's very convenient to use! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:43:07 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Stock Charts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hutchins wrote: > > The Teledata charts are best viewed with LXPIC/=DFd. > > Stefan, that LXPIC switch appears here as "beta" then "d". > I have lxpic v7.2 but can't figure out what that switch means. The =DF (beta) switch is undocumented and was added only to view the Teledata charts. It decreases brightness by -12 just to let the month characters in the background appear. The d switch turns off dithering, which results in sharp letters for the original colorful chart. > The charts look fine here if I do a "+" and and "H" on them, > after launching with LXPIC. The + is only needed if your eyes have problems with the original size of the chart. I don't recommend the h switch, because you loose some information and even the 1x zoomed chart is only 204 pixel high. The 4 pixel exceeding the 200 CGA height carry no information and need not to be on your screen. > I have added all three of your charts to RWEB.O - which I have > just re-uploaded. I had to add a new variable because I have > never seen a URL before that did not indicate the extension of > the file (if binary). Very interesting! Well these charts were not intended for downloads. I "hacked" their webpages and looked at the URL they use to display the chart in a html page. And it works well :-) > BTW, more off topic - did you try unsubscribing from > HPLX-L and resubscribing? That's all I can think of for > possibly fixing the digest. Yes, today I unsubscribed and resubscribed again, but the CR LF BLANC CR LF lines are still there. I give up. Probably the BLANC is added somewhere on the way of the digest to me. Really strange. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:21:19 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:40:37 +1200 (NZT) 13m57s ago ... On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:26:40 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > 15h04m48s ago ... > Tony Hutchins wrote: > > ^^^ I have installed Posth v3 :-) Works fine, but I have > yet to make myself fammiliar with the various options. A > lot to learn! You have!. It can be a bit slow if all options are utlilized - especially the automatic reformatting of nested quotes - I don't recommend that. I suppose I wrote Posth for myself and neglected the documentation - but I did try :) When I first read your e-mail I thought you were talking about Robonews - I am pleased it was Posth What I like best about Posth is replying to folk who I know are in Australia but always have strange timezones in their Date: headers (like -0400)- or their PC time is just wrong - like out by 12 hours (quite common). For them I ignore the Date: header and use a Received: header, and force the timezone to be whatever I want (the Received date gets translated to the timezone. Some received headers have no timezone in the date, so I keep track of two of them and choose the one with the longest date!!). It is a real challenge parsing the different date formats used. in ROBOT.CFG [mail] POSTHqa=3DD Y12120Y POSTHfile=3DPOSTH.ALL in POSTH.ALL: From=3Dzelansky From1=3DPat forcetz=3D+1000 POSTHqa=3DR Y12120Y Sender=3Dhplx-l POSTHban=3Ddashdash.txt If the message in mail.i that I reply to has a "zelansky" in I reply using "Pat" and the POSTHqa tells POSTH.EXE to use the Received header and ignore the Date: header. The next part - if the Sender has "hplx-l" in I use dashdash.txt as a banner (so Stefan can reply to me from the digest) It is all a bit silly I admit, but with lots of correspondents I find it really useful. After a few years I have got used to the pause while POSTH is doing it's work :) Who got me started on this? Ian Melville it was!! Hehe. The most cryptic bit is the POSTHqa format. Shocking! Actually about 2 years ago someone on the list wrote a really clear description of the format, and I lost it :( > goprices - I hve rechecked, and the file version is indeed > an old one...). Apologies again. It has been re-uploaded but I just thought of something. You'll see I just have "CALL GPPUT.BAT" in the offline.bat - to be fully robust this should be IF NOT EXIST GPPUT.BAT goto nogp CALL GPPUT.BAT DEL GPPUT.BAT :nogp otherwise the GPPUT.BAT could get re-run if Exprog doesn't get a chance (if carrier is lost during the POST/LX run, even during dialup, I don't think Exprog gets a go - that's where I make a dummy gpput.bat). > Thanks a lot for the updates! I see you > have even inserted the teledata stock charts dig into > rweb.o! :-) Great! And thanks to RWEBFILE.BAT it's very > convenient to use! Yup I tested it :) Actually I found a really rare bug while doing that too - so it was a great test of the scripts. It's pretty convenient being able to just choose a stock chart from the outbox, and having a record of them in the inbox, but a dedicated WWW/GET run like Stefan does would be faster - and the files are more meaningfully named too (better than 1.gif,2.gif ). But the inbox could keep a history of stockcharts for as long as you want(not useful I admit). - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:59:21 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Stock Charts In-Reply-To: <17Q50X-01jnAeC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:26:10 +1200 (NZT) 43m15s ago ... On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:42:55 +0200, Stefan Peichl wrote: > The =DF (beta) switch is undocumented and was added only to > view the Teledata charts. It decreases brightness by -12 > just to let the month characters in the background appear. > > The d switch turns off dithering, which results in sharp > letters for the original colorful chart. Thanks so much for this info - it *does* make an incredible difference to the pictures!! > > The charts look fine here if I do a "+" and and "H" on them, > > after launching with LXPIC. > > The + is only needed if your eyes have problems with the > original size of the chart. I don't recommend the h switch, > because you loose some information and even the 1x zoomed > chart is only 204 pixel high. The 4 pixel exceeding the > 200 CGA height carry no information and need not to be on > your screen. Thanks! The DCX chart is amazingly clear for me with the 1x zoom - and no h :) > Well these charts were not intended for downloads. Ahha, I knew it - I can see the window TABS (Deutschland/USA) at the tops for DAX/DJIA > I "hacked" their webpages and looked at the URL they use > to display the chart in a html page. And it works well :-) Ahha, you went to the source :) I must check it out. > Yes, today I unsubscribed and resubscribed again, but the > CR LF BLANC CR LF lines are still there. Oh well, I'll have to keep adding the -- but while they enable the body to be split off in POST/LX, in POST.HED I see the full message. > I give up. Probably the BLANC is added somewhere on the > way of the digest to me. Really strange. Ironic that the "unfinished" versions are OK. You'd think it has to be something happening before the finished version is finally sent. If only someone else could duplicate it. We should have a campaign here - ask everybody to go on the digest for a day or two and see if someone else gets the blanks :) I looked in newsgroup lists for a likely newsgroup with "comp" and "listserv" in it's name but couldn't find one. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:29:24 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:21:09 +1200 (NZT) 01h54m29s ago ... On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:26:40 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I see you have even inserted the teledata stock charts dig > into rweb.o! :-) Great! And thanks to RWEBFILE.BAT it's > very convenient to use! Daniel, I recommend another gif option for pns200.ini: [Match] .. *.gif=3Dpq [Menu] .. p=3DPicture open q=3DStockChart [Action] .. p=3Dc:\bin\maxdos c:\utils\lxpic %s q=3Dc:\bin\maxdos c:\utils\lxpic %s /=DFd q makes a really clear chart :) Also the RWEBFILE external goes better with a $. on the end: RWEB&FILE=3Dbat\RWEBFILE.BAT $f $. (for fast return to POST/LX) - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:11:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodore Heise" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: How to delete file??? > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Eric Greenspoon wrote: > > > >Another thing you might try is to move all the other files to a > > >different directory and then from a DOS prompt do "del *.*" in the > > >original directory. > > > > Thanks Ted. I goofed a bit. It's a directory, not a file that I can't > > get rid of. Same problem though. > > > > I would try your suggestion but I'm a bit conerned about messing things up > > even further. I have SC and double speed driver installed. If I copy all of > > c: drive to another directory, do I risk losing anything important by doing > > a del c:*.* ? > > Good question. Xcopy will not copy system or hidden files, so you > will certainly miss several of those if you copy the entire c: drive. You can use pkzip with the -whs option. It'll then zip all the files. You can later unzip them. Also use the -rp option to get subdirectories, assuming you want the entire drive. It'll look something like this: c:\>pkzip -whs -rp a:\cdrive *.* Be sure the whs and the rp are lower case. Unzip it back to the c: drive with: c:\>pkunzip -d a:\cdrive All this assumes you're in the root directory of the c: drive while you're doing it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:19:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Comments: To: ericgree@ENOREO.ON.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Greenspoon" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: Re: How to delete file??? > Thanks John. > The only problem with your first suggestion is that I no longer have the > Russian characters installed. > I'd have to re-install them and see if I could figure out which key > corresponds to the Russian characters. > Then do a RD. I somehow missed the original message so I didn't realize the intent was to get rid of a file with a name you can't type. The easy way to do this is to use Norton utilities disk editor (NU) or something similiar and change the letters to English letters and then delete it normally with the del command. This takes a little understanding of the disk layout, at least enough to find the directory. Some later versions of NU will do this for you. I don't remember which versions do that and which do/don't work on the 200lx. It also takes a little familiarity with NU, but not much. If you don't have that familiarity this is a good time to get it. It's a very handy program and easy to use to do simple things like this. But be aware that it has to be used carefully and if you make a mistake it can wipe your disk out. But if you're careful there's no reason to make mistakes. Hitting the wrong key is never a problem. NU let's you change your mind when you have to. And doing this is very simple once you locate the directory. By the way, in some older versions of Norton utilities, this program is simply called Norton. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:38:05 +0200 Reply-To: Zoran Vignjevic Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Zoran Vignjevic Subject: LXHappy 4th of July! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy 4th of July to all LXUS people on the list Best Regards, Zoran ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:10:39 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: ANN: Robonews/web & goprices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony 01h35m48s ago ... Tony Hutchins wrote: > Daniel, a thousand apologies for the hassle - I checked my > automated upload and sure enough I uploaded from a local > nonexistent directory!! :( > > Hopefully fixed now - I *watched* it this time and it > definitely uploaded something of the right size and name. Hey, it is great enough that you upload the new version only _minutes_ after I complain. ;-) Great service. What would WWW/LX be without you? (Sorry, Avi. Had to say this so hard to make Tony a good compliment ;-) ) Now I'll install goprices. it's the new version now. :-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:10:43 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry and others Many thanks for your tips regarding CF cards. 5 days 21h53m55s ago ... Barry wrote: > I found a 256 meg Sandisk on Ebay for $90. That was a few > months ago. I don't know current prices. I went for another 192MB Sandisk (have one of them already), bought it on ebay for 93 EURO, that's cheap. I haven't got it yet, but I expect it to be as good as my current card. ;-) Is anyone interested in a 64MB Sandisk CF card? I think abt. 38 EUR should be a good price for it. Shipping to Germany prefered, of course. Payment via Paypal, Paybox or money transfer. If noone wants it, I will put it on ebay once I got the new card. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:27:41 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: How to delete file??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theodore Heise wrote: > Where are all the DOS experts this afternoon? In bed? That there sun travels acrost the Atlantic even slower than your 747, sure does man. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:33:31 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: How to delete file??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Greenspoon wrote: > I no longer have the > Russian characters installed. > I'd have to re-install them and see if I could figure out which key > corresponds to the Russian characters. > Then do a RD. No, <[decimal ASCII]> Look at what your screen shows and use a character table for your installed set, 437 or 850, to find the right ones. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:48:04 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I went for another 192MB Sandisk (have one of them already) [...] > Is anyone interested in a 64MB Sandisk CF card? I think abt. 38 EUR So you have found a way to install Win98 on your 200LX, have you? I have one 10 MB flash that is only half full and a 32 MB one that is nearly empty. How should i ever fill 64 MB? The complete Bible is much less than ten! Still, if I felt I needed a third card right now (might do some time), then I'd take your fairly priced offer. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:28:48 -0400 Reply-To: David Heath Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Heath Subject: Re: forgotten procedure.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C22356.593B18C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C22356.593B18C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried GDBWin. It works well except that some of the characters = in the datacard are incomplete. That is part of some of the = letters/numbers are missing. Also the spacing is incorrect.=20 Has anyone else experienced this problem? Does anyone know how this can = be corrected? I am using version 0.90 (identified as GDBWin-2). This = is the version on SUPER. Anyone know if there is a more recent version? 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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C22356.593B18C0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:33:58 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: Re: How to delete file??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to thank Barry, Larry, Fred, Axel et al. who have given me suggestions on how to solve my problem. I have just solved it and fortunately it didn't take too long! I decided to try installing the Keybez Russian characters again so I could spell out the directory name that I wanted to delete. I couldn't get keybez to work this time (even though it had loaded). When I pressed Ctrl it wouldn't activate, as it should. On a lark though, I went into Sys Manager and tried to rename the directory once again. I was able to do it this time! I guess even though I couldn't access the Russian characters, they had loaded and were in memory. So I renamed the directory and deleted it with its contents and now I'm back in business! Hurray! Thanks again! Eric ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:05:19 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: LXHappy 4th of July! Comments: To: Zoran Vignjevic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Happy 4th of July to all LXUS people on the list > > Best Regards, > Zoran THANK YOU very much. We may not be a perfect country but we are pretty damn nice. I hope it is happy and safe. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:27:36 -0500 Reply-To: Suresh Nirody Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Suresh Nirody Subject: WWW/Lx and IR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If any one is interested you can use HP200lx with the Nokia 9290 using IR. On the 9290 just run the Fax Modem software, go into settings and make sure you choose Infrared, Activate, and off you go. It might seem a little redundant using the 9290 with your HP200lx since you can do your e-mail directly on the 9290, but Post/Lx etc. is so much better than what the Nokia has.... Suresh P.S. If anyone else is using the 9290 drop me a line. I can connect to Compuserve, but only at 9600. Am wondering how it is possible to tweak the settings to do better. Also I am unable to figure out exactly how to get a Netcom connnection.... I get part way through the login process before failing.... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:23:15 -0500 Reply-To: Ed Keefe Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ed Keefe Subject: Re: forgotten procedure.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know what you mean about the deformed characters in the datacard view of GDBWin. I don't know the cause and doubt there is any way to fix it. Ver 0.90 is the last version of the program by the author prior to his death. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:40:37 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel 02h29m09s ago ... Axel Berger wrote: > So you have found a way to install Win98 on your 200LX, have you? I = have Yes, It's easy: Just copy an existing Win98 installation to the flash card, replace all c:\ occurrences in the INI files with A:\, replace VGA with CGA and start win.com from a:\windows. ;-) > one 10 MB flash that is only half full and a 32 MB one that is nearly > empty. How should i ever fill 64 MB? The complete Bible is much less > than ten! Well, if I only had the really important things on the card, and if I had filled up my 32MB C drive, a 10 MB would be enough for me, probably. But I like it to have everything hady which I COULD need (disctionaries, programs, databases...), and I like it to NOT fill up my C drive entirely, so there is nough room to receive large emails (using an Ethernet card, for example), or transfering bigger files from one card to another... So I currently have about 15 MB free on C: and 20 MB on the 192MB A:. About 15 MB on A: are temporary things in the \new directory, where I put new programs which I want to test. Unfortunately, I don't have much timeto test, so the programs stay in \new and \new fills up very quickly ;-) But at least I have the huge Robo*/LX upgrade done! That was a lot of work to get it configured and working, and to _understand_ the configuration at least a bit. ;-) It was definitely wirth the effort! > Still, if I felt I needed a third card right now (might do some time), > then I'd take your fairly priced offer. If the card is still available then, of course. But I doubt it. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:40:41 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Stock Charts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan 04h43m17s ago ... Stefan Peichl wrote: > The =DF (beta) switch is undocumented and was added only to view > the Teledata charts. It decreases brightness by -12 just to let > the month characters in the background appear. Great! Looks really good, I also added the +, makes it exactly as large as the screen! Thanks a lot for this info! Very valuable! Are the stock symbols standardized? i.e. can I use the same stock symbold for the comdirect and teledata digs which I use for the yahoo digs with yquotes? > Well these charts were not intended for downloads. I "hacked" > their webpages and looked at the URL they use to display the > chart in a html page. And it works well :-) Great! Some time ago, I tried to download chart values from comdirect.de using Roboweb. It worked somehow, but it ended up in an URL which was about 100 or 120 characters long. :-( I'm glad yquotes with yahoo.com and goprices exists. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:57:16 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question (1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony SPLITTED INTO TWO PARTS, BECAUSE TO LONG FOR ONE MESSAGE 06h12m30s ago ... Tony Hutchins wrote: > You have!. It can be a bit slow if all options are > utlilized - especially the automatic reformatting of nested > quotes - I don't recommend that. Indeed. But that's another bit of time to think about what I write as the reply. ;-) I think I won't use all these nice features. Reformatting woud be nice, but the amount of time lost for this is too large. Personalization of reply headers, depending on the sender - also nice but not really necessary for me. I am a perfectionist, but not in all categories. Not with reply headers. ;-) > choose the one with the longest date!!). It is a real > challenge parsing the different date formats used. Yes, I know what you mean. > Sender=3Dhplx-l > POSTHban=3Ddashdash.txt Ha! So this is what you wrote Posth for! :-) To let Stefan reply to your emails! It is really amazing what can be dome with Posth. But I admit it's simply too much for me. But beeing so much, everyone can choose the features he likes most. That's how good software is supposed to be! Think about all these programs available for Windows (or windows itself). No features, just one straight way to use them, and extremely expensive. Is that good software? I don't think so. I love the versatility of Linux, and of all the WWW/LX and Tony/LX programs ;-) Even if it means many hours of learning configuration options. > It is all a bit silly I admit, but with lots of correspondents > I find it really useful. After a few years I have got used to > the pause while POSTH is doing it's work :) I have done one thing in this direction so far: My brother doesn'T like umlauts in his emails. So I checked (in peh.bat) for his email address in the post.hed file using grep, and if true, I ran a batch on the post.tma file replacing all umlauts by their ASCII representations. Didn't work for the headers of course, and this triggered my initial question of the whole ISO-encoding thread. :-) > Who got me started on this? Ian Melville it was!! Hehe. And I got you started on QB2ISO. And I even think I was one of the persons who had the idea that it would be good for us palmtoppers to retrieve web pages by email, which probably triggered you writing Roboweb. What a great product this is now! I think the only thing many of us desperately still need is an acceptable PDF viewer for the palmtop. The online converters are a beginning, but not the optimum, of course. > The most cryptic bit is the POSTHqa format. Shocking! Yes, this was about the first thing I thought when I saw the doc for that format. ;-) But after reading your documentation about that format twice or three times, I knew well how to set the numbers to suit my needs. Oh, speaking about documentation: Regarding RoboGop.scr: You should maybe mention that the goprices=3Dstocks entry goes into POST.CFG's SYSTEM section and not into ROBOT.CFG's SYSTEM section. I spent about 15 minutes fiddling around with this in the robot.cfg, until I decided to try to plae it into the post.cfg, where it finally worked. Or have I missed something in the docs? So many docs as I read the last days, it could have happened that I simply overread it. > Actually about 2 years ago someone on the list wrote a really > clear description of the format, and I lost it :( Your description is quite clear. I only had problem first to understand the difference between topline, date line and delay line. But after some trial-and-error, I figured it out. What I dislike a bit is that the date and delay lines are _lines_ by themselves. I would rather see them in the same line as the "x@y.z wrote". But it's a minor thing, not worth making trouble with. > Apologies again. It has been re-uploaded but I just thought of I have the new version now Works great!! > something. You'll see I just have "CALL GPPUT.BAT" in the > offline.bat - to be fully robust this should be > > IF NOT EXIST GPPUT.BAT goto nogp > CALL GPPUT.BAT > DEL GPPUT.BAT > :nogp Hehe :-) I have done it another way: if exist gpput.bat call gpput.bat if exist gpput.bat del gpput.bat You mention already in the docs that it should be deleted after calling. CONTINUED.... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:57:19 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Robonews question (2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CONTINUATION: > Yup I tested it :) Actually I found a really rare bug while > doing that too - so it was a great test of the scripts. It's > pretty convenient being able to just choose a stock chart from > the outbox, and having a record of them in the inbox, but a > dedicated WWW/GET run like Stefan does would be faster - and > the files are more meaningfully named too (better > than 1.gif,2.gif ). But the inbox could keep a history of > stockcharts for as long as you want(not useful I admit). I just discovered another little problem. using the yquotes.de dig I used in the prior Roboweb version (just copied it over to the new rweb.o and added the yqot64=3D1 parameter), I got a message that there is a csv file which I can call using rwebfile. ;-) I haven't tested this once more, maybe you have an idea why this happened. Maybe I just made a little error, I will observe that firther. Here is the responsible rweb.o message: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:50:00 0H30M From: ROBOWEB/LX To: yquotes.de DCX DCXGn.DE QSCG.DE NOKS.DE ^GDAX EURUSD=3DX Subject: Aktienkurse Skeep=3D1 Freq=3D30m yquot64=3D1 Shouldn't this work that way? Thanks again for all the great scripts and service, Tony! It's great to have you here! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:58:05 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:30:43 +0200 Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > I think this option is used when you connect the HP200 directly to a host > providing you a PPP connection, such as a Linux with the pppd daemon, or a > Windows machine with MochaPPP. In this case, the DCD signal is not > relevant. Yes, it is probably the case.. > And the WIRE option is perfect for that. After all, the DCD line os only a > check that the modem carrier is here. And in the case of a mobile phone, > this hasn't much sense either, since the modem is not here, it's located > in the provider's equipment. No, from your computer point of view the modem part of a GSM phone is considered _exactly_ as a regular modem. Don't be abused by the GPRS settings or the WIRE option of GP, which are not to be considered as the "norm", but only specificities. Even if the GSM phone connectors don't have the full set of lines (RTS/CTS, DCD, DSR/DTR....), the digital logic is exactly the same than a regular modem. If after that the signal is sent to a GSM network and not a line network can't retire them to be considered as real modem ! > > > Yes, just before calling EPPPD... > > > > No, just _after_.... > > No, just _before_. No. If you try to connect using a non-enabled DCD cable, you will see that the process go correctly to the message indicating that the IP functions are accessible thru the 0x62 vector (sorry dont remember exactly the text of the message), but closes just after. This proves that the DCD test is made after the EPPPD initialisation. > After having loaded EPPPD, GP *must not* play with the > serial port, Perhaps, but this is another point... > Anyway, this check can be avoided, No, the DCD checking is absolutely mandatory. If you use some programs using EPPPD, you will see that sometimes the session is considered as closed, but your GSM phone is always connected to the network. If the program checked the [true] DCD line, it could make the suplementaries steps to assure the line is really closed. One interesting thing in GP is that it checks the DCD line, and if it finds it high, it try another method (ATH0 +++) to assures itself that the line is well closed. > thanks to the WIRE mode. Rememeber that the WIRE mode can be used only for GPRS connexions, not regular modem/GSM ones... > > Seems that we have yet a lot to learn about GP's possibilities... ;-) > > One can always find new things with oldies like that. > > I'm just testing other software, like Minuet, BobCat, Trumpet, and > others... Don't lose time to test Nettamer. It is an "usine ` gaz", as we say in France. A lot of functions, but absolutly not friendly to use... Still waiting for the HPLX version of Arachne... :-) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:21:19 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question (2) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:06:15 +1200 (NZT) 02h08m56s ago ... On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:57:19 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I just discovered another little problem. using the > yquotes.de dig I used in the prior Roboweb version (just > copied it over to the new rweb.o and added the yqot64=3D1 > parameter), I got a message that there is a csv file which > I can call using rwebfile. ;-) Thanks so much - another bug. The scripts should actually *not* have worked before - they only did because of a bug which I fixed I am sending a tiny newscr.zip by e-mail with the fixed rwlevchk.scr - it needs a new line if (#~yquotes) okend inserted just after these lines (numbered 71 & 72) :findext =3D ~ext htm Thanks again - I remember wondering how come the .csv got considered as html before - it has to be forced for the yquotes case. If you insert the new line make sure there is no space after the "okend". - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:10:50 +0200 Reply-To: Nigel R Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nigel R Organization: STRATEGIC ALLIANCE CONSULTING Subject: Re: more XTGOLD tricks and 9.bat Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdydo! Guess I bumped into a few too many problems (not just long file names) with Ver 3 when running under Windowze98... And in many respects ver 4 of Xtree Gold is / was a joke so hence my migration to ZTREE. Good job we all like different things or otherwise old man Henry would most certainly have had the monopoly Toodaloo for now :-) Nigel R P.S. Wonder if you know if there is a way of searching for numbers in a 1-2-3 spreadsheet? Search only works for labels (text) and often I'm looking for a specific number (in accounting records). Guess I'm showing my ignorance again! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:00:40 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Stock Charts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Are the stock symbols standardized? i.e. can I use the same stock > symbold for the comdirect and teledata digs which I use for the yahoo > digs with yquotes? Unfortunately not. Every service uses different symbols. AFAIK Teledata uses the official DAX symbols which you also see on TV from the "Parkett". The extensions define the place of the deal, for example: ETR =3D XETRA FSE =3D Frankfurt NYS =3D New York Onvista usually uses the WKNs instead of the symbols, and Yahoo uses a completely different scheme. Not sure at the moment, how Comdirect works. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:15:22 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: <20020705001851.62CD.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Jacques Belin wrote: > Le Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:30:43 +0200 > Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > > > And the WIRE option is perfect for that. After all, the DCD line os o= nly a > > check that the modem carrier is here. And in the case of a mobile pho= ne, > > this hasn't much sense either, since the modem is not here, it's loca= ted > > in the provider's equipment. > > No, from your computer point of view the modem part of a GSM phone is > considered _exactly_ as a regular modem. Don't be abused by the GPRS > settings or the WIRE option of GP, which are not to be considered as th= e > "norm", but only specificities. Yes, from an application point of view, the mobile phone is a modem. But technically speaking, the real modem is located somewhere between the Bas= e Station and the connection to the classical phone lines. > > > > Yes, just before calling EPPPD... > > > > > > No, just _after_.... > > > > No, just _before_. > > No. If you try to connect using a non-enabled DCD cable, you will see > that the process go correctly to the message indicating that the IP > functions are accessible thru the 0x62 vector (sorry dont remember > exactly the text of the message), but closes just after. This proves > that the DCD test is made after the EPPPD initialisation. If I configure GP to talk to a modem (as I first did), then it calls my provider, runs the script, and quits. EPPPD is never called (I put something just before the call to EPPPD in gp.bat, si I know the batch file doesn't go that far). Maybe there's another problem. However, I only changed the phone number t= o be 'WIRE', updated the script, and it worked perfectly. > > Anyway, this check can be avoided, > > No, the DCD checking is absolutely mandatory. If you use some programs > using EPPPD, you will see that sometimes the session is considered as > closed, but your GSM phone is always connected to the network. If the > program checked the [true] DCD line, it could make the suplementaries > steps to assure the line is really closed. Well... Maybe it's too long since I developped things for DOS, but to me, once a process has taken control of the serial port, trying to check this serial port without the controller's knowledge is a bad design. I have to admit that under DOS, a lot of awful things need to be done to make usefu= l programs... ;) > One interesting thing in GP is that it checks the DCD line, and if it > finds it high, it try another method (ATH0 +++) to assures itself that > the line is well closed. Well. I didn't know that. It may be not necessary, as in some cases, the termination of EPPPD causes a PPP break message, and the peer closes the connection (and the modem, and the call). > > thanks to the WIRE mode. > > Rememeber that the WIRE mode can be used only for GPRS connexions, not > regular modem/GSM ones... No, it also works perfectly with a GSM connection. In fact, I started to setup the GSM connection (before my GPRS activation), it worked (I downloaded some emails). I then saved my modifications, and added some more for GPRS. Now I can connect either using GSM or GPRS, and get my mails. To me, GP only needs a packet driver to be here, whatever the physical support. Once this packet driver is loaded, everything goes through it. And EPPPD can work either with a real modem, or a direct wire. > > I'm just testing other software, like Minuet, BobCat, Trumpet, and > > others... > > Don't lose time to test Nettamer. It is an "usine ` gaz", as we say in > France. A lot of functions, but absolutly not friendly to use... I already tried Nettamer some years ago, and had the exact same impression... ;) --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- J'ai une dissert' en fran=E7ais : "Trouvez-vous regrettable que le camping sauvage soit interdit en France ?" Pouvez-vous m'aider, car je n'ai jamais camp=E9 !... -+- Laure in:Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet- Youkaidi, youkaida -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:28:57 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question (1) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 12h40m32s ago from +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I have done one thing in this direction so far: My > brother doesn'T like umlauts in his emails. So I checked > (in peh.bat) for his email address in the post.hed file > using grep, and if true, I ran a batch on the post.tma > file replacing all umlauts by their ASCII representations. > Didn't work for the headers of course, and this triggered > my initial question of the whole ISO-encoding thread. :-) Most interesting! This is not for when you reply to your brother is it? That would mean he included umlauts in his mail to you . So, after you reply to him you do an "F6" on the outbox message? If you wanted the headers could be re-written without umlauts as well, using a method similar to qb2iso (I forget it's name already). > > Who got me started on this? Ian Melville it was!! Hehe. > > And I got you started on QB2ISO. And I even think I was one > of the persons who had the idea that it would be good for us > palmtoppers to retrieve web pages by email, which probably > triggered you writing Roboweb. What a great product this > is now! Yes, indeed you may be the trigger! :) What really go me interested was a little script Andreas wrote to get web pages - directly, without using GET. It was just amazing that such a short piece of text could do this!!! > I think the only thing many of us desperately still need > is an acceptable PDF viewer for the palmtop. The online > converters are a beginning, but not the optimum, of course. I use pdf2txt on the desktop occasionally - but some PDF files have text that is not extractable. Daniel - you are the man for this task. You gave us latex. Next stop ghostscript :) > > The most cryptic bit is the POSTHqa format. Shocking! > > Yes, this was about the first thing I thought when I saw the > doc for that format. ;-) But after reading your documentation > about that format twice or three times, I knew well how to > set the numbers to suit my needs. Oh I'm very pleased to be understood :) This morning I read a line in one of your e-mails where you would prefer a one line topline and I think I have now made the "Y121.." interface irrelevant as I allow a template with keywords in - and it worked first time on this reply! My template here is /DELAYH/ ago from /FZONEL/, /NAME/ wrote: /END/ Pretty much every element is now selectable. I also included the message-id as some folk quote this in newsgroups. I cheat of course - 95% of the program is the same - I use the template entries to make up the "Y121..." string . > Oh, speaking about documentation: Regarding RoboGop.scr: You > should maybe mention that the goprices=3Dstocks entry goes > into POST.CFG's SYSTEM section and not into ROBOT.CFG's > SYSTEM section. I spent about 15 minutes fiddling around > with this in the robot.cfg, until I decided to try to plae > it into the post.cfg, where it finally worked. Or have I > missed something in the docs? So many docs as I read the > last days, it could have happened that I simply overread it. Excellent point - it is in the docs I have. Not sure if I uploaded it like that though. I hope the 15 mins was somehow worth it, somehow :) > > Actually about 2 years ago someone on the list wrote a really > > clear description of the format, and I lost it :( > > Your description is quite clear. I only had problem first > to understand the difference between topline, date line and > delay line. But after some trial-and-error, I figured it out. This gave me encouragement :) The next version won't need to name them - it's just a template :) > What I dislike a bit is that the date and delay lines are > _lines_ by themselves. I would rather see them in the same > line as the "x@y.z wrote". But it's a minor thing, not > worth making trouble with. Ah, those are the lines I remember from this morning. I will use it though :) > Hehe :-) I have done it another way: > > if exist gpput.bat call gpput.bat > if exist gpput.bat del gpput.bat 2 lines instead of 4!! Thanks! I put it in the docs. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:38:51 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: forgotten procedure.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > David Heath wrote: > I have tried GDBWin. > Has anyone else experienced this problem? Yes, me. After the recent recommendation here I downloaded it from SUPER, took one good look and deleted it again. From all I have seen so far, I still say that in spite of it costing money, connectivity is the only worthwhile way to go - but each to his own. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:03:04 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: WWW/Lx and IR Comments: To: Suresh Nirody In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Suresh, for my curiosity and possibly to satisfy other people;s curiosity, what do you find in POST/LX to be better than the package Nokia includes in the 9290? Thanks in advance! Avi At 7/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >If any one is interested you can use HP200lx with the Nokia 9290 using >IR. On the 9290 just run the Fax Modem software, go into settings and >make sure you choose Infrared, Activate, and off you go. It might seem a >little redundant using the 9290 with your HP200lx since you can do your >e-mail directly on the 9290, but Post/Lx etc. is so much better than what >the Nokia has.... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Comments: To: ericgree@ENOREO.ON.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >I would try your suggestion but I'm a bit conerned >about messing >things up >even further. I have SC and double speed driver >installed. If I copy >all of >c: drive to another directory, do I risk losing >anything important by >doing >a del c:*.* ? DON'T DO a del c:*.* You will delete everything except the offending file! Hi Eric, I have had this problem also a couple of times. Either use Volkov Commander or Norton Commander. I can e-mail you Norton Commander, it is very easy to use and it has always worked for me. Choose the file you want to delete and it will be gone. The rest of your data will be unharmed. Have you tried FILER it may also delete those type of files. It is impossible to delete a file with incorrect characters using only the command line. At least I have never been able to do it. So don't try del *.* because you could be erasing more than you would like! When you eventually manage to delete it you should run Scandisk to check your drive, just in case. Don't run scandisk before erasing the file because it could make things worse. Good luck, Inigo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:28:55 EDT Reply-To: TCU549@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kat Doyle Subject: set hplx-l index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.20aad158.2a56f917_boundary" --part1_3e.20aad158.2a56f917_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit set hplx-l index --part1_3e.20aad158.2a56f917_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit set hplx-l index --part1_3e.20aad158.2a56f917_boundary-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:38:40 -0600 Reply-To: ccohen5 Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: ccohen5 Subject: Win 98 on 200LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am flabbergasted! What applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? Amazing! Colin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:09:30 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX In-Reply-To: <034901c2242a$ea0074c0$121da8c0@alterna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ccohen5 wrote: > Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am flabbergasted! What > applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? Of course he's kidding. Windows 95 and later support no less than the 386, and run in 386 protected mode only. It was only a joke... Daniel, you made it, it worked! ;) -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- ``In theory, practice and theory are the same, but in practice they are different.'' Larry McVoy ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:48:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ccohen5 wrote: > > > Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am flabbergasted! What > > applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? > > Of course he's kidding. Windows 95 and later support no less than the 386, > and run in 386 protected mode only. > > It was only a joke... > > Daniel, you made it, it worked! ;) I emailed Daniel when he posted this and asked how he did it. His instructions were clear and concise and Win98 works perfectly. I've been playing Quake 3 on my 200lx all morning. Well, I've been waiting for the introduction screen to finish loading all morning. It could be a little faster. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:59:06 -0400 Reply-To: LEONG Ka Tai Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: LEONG Ka Tai Subject: Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a member of a trade organisation which has set up a mailing list with Yahoogroups. Recently, either the group has been compromised or some member of the group had a virus infection. Strange messages has been sent to our members, mostly spam but often attached with files whose extensions are .bat, .exe, .scr etc. Of course, as far as I know, nobody has been foolish enough to open the attachements. But we are all really wary of viruses in our mail. Recently, I sent a message to another member using POST/LX on the HP 200LX, about some committee business. After sending to her twice, she still had not replied. So I called her, and she said that she has not even opened my messages but deleted them right away because her virus checker said that my messages were infected by a virus. I was shocked. I thought that the 200LX must be pretty much immune because who has the time to write virus for DOS nowadays? I use a Mac for my desktop and viruses for that platform is rare too. That is why (I admit with shame) that I am quite lax with checking for viruses. So my questions are: 1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? 2. Could someone check this message to see if this is infected? 3. Could her virus checker be wrong? 4. If my palmtop is infected, how do get rid of the virus? Thanks for your help. Ka Tai ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:35:51 -0400 Reply-To: Francois Gurin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Francois Gurin Subject: Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 03:59:06PM -0400, LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > So my questions are: > > 1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? f-prot from datafellows has a freeware dos version (the windows version is 30-day shareware). They keep the virus definition files up to date. However, the main executables are i believe for 386+. There is a 286 version available, but i've neither tried them on the hplx nor with the current signature definitions. fwiw, i've always had the best of experiences with the dos version of f-prot. wish i could say the same about it's competitors if f-prot 286 ( ftp://ftp.datafellows.com/anti-virus/free/ ) with the new defs doesn't work directly, and you'd like to do the virus scanning on the hp, i can try looking around and seeing what's available these days. > 2. Could someone check this message to see if this is infected? Your message was plain text. under dos, if you just send a message without an attachment, there's very little possibility of contaminating another via email even if you were infected. someone would have to take the time to write a trojan which would add attachments to your POST/LX on the fly. Sounds like a great deal of work to attack a relatively small community. > 3. Could her virus checker be wrong? it's possible if it were using hueristics to come up with a 'suspect' hit. Nothing in the headers of this message looked suspect, but the mailing list software may have cleaned it up. were you using a different character set or anything different than what is contained in this message? I'm not all too familiar with current windows anti-virus software, but i'd imagine it may not react well to some character maps. I know at least of at least one anti-spam filter which takes character maps into consideration when determining spam scores. > 4. If my palmtop is infected, how do get rid of the virus? you could find software which works on the hplx and run it, or alternately you can laplink or interlink the palmtop such that it shows up on your desktop as a remote drive and run anti-virus from there. I'm not sure if there's a macos laplink and if it's compatible with dos versions built-in to the hplx. also, you can move the flash card to a desktop and scan it, but that still leaves the internal flash questionable. perhaps backing up internal drive to the flash, scanning, and if anything is found do a hard reset and restore would be the fastest option. -- As an aside, i don't encourage people to run anti-spam and anti-virus screening software. ESPECIALLY at the mail server level. Both have a high chance of generating false hits and it's unfair to both the sender and the recepient. many times, the user will not even get the chance to decide for themself (which is the ultimate in rudeness). At least if each individual gets a warning and the chance to ignore it, it saves a great deal of frustration in the long run. Some things are best done preemptively, but not at the expense of violating my privacy, and not without my judgement being involved. --francois ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:26:03 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/5/02 -0400, you wrote: >Recently, I sent a message to another member using POST/LX on >the HP 200LX, about some committee business. After sending to >her twice, she still had not replied. So I called her, and >she said that she has not even opened my messages but deleted >them right away because her virus checker said that my >messages were infected by a virus. I have serious doubts the virus was added by the Palmtop. Rather, I think the ISP may have been compromised and their email servers are polluted! I cannot imagine a virus attaching to the email without you knowing it - just check your outbox! If there is nothing attached to outgoing messages, then it was not YOU (or Post/LX, or the Palmtop) that sent the virus. Ther next step would be the ISP who operates the SMTP server through which you send your email. Also, it could easily be her OWN machine that is "poisoned" to attach viruses to each email - sort of like an "insider job." >I was shocked. I thought that the 200LX must be pretty much immune because >who has the time to write virus for DOS nowadays? I use a Mac for my >desktop and viruses for that platform is rare too. That is why (I admit >with shame) that I am quite lax with checking for viruses. I think you are right. Much of the immunity is the small base of users, but also the complexity of finding the code for Post/LX (held by ONE person!) Retrifitting is possible, but I am assured by Andreas that it would bring most hackers to their knees with frustration and near-despair ... >So my questions are: > >1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? I do not know any. You can COPY EVERYTHING to the PCMCIA card and run a virus checker on the card in a desktop system. >2. Could someone check this message to see if this is infected? It is not. >3. Could her virus checker be wrong? You bet!!! >4. If my palmtop is infected, how do get rid of the virus? I seriously doubt it, but if you are worried see #1. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:33:57 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I turn off encrypted login? My ISP uses plain text. And going directly to plain text login would speed up the d/l process when I use a cellphone. Avi Meshar wrote: ... > Yes, it does encrypted authentication login to the POP3. You can even = turn > it off, if you want to. I believe by default POST/LX assumes that your > server does encrypted login and will attempt it. If not it will > (reluctantly - it will produce a sad sigh sound ) switch to > non-encrypted login. ... /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:42:10 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: can the hp200 do pcmcia/serial sound yet? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list, Just been checking the list archives to see if anybody had any joy running a pcmcia sound card on their hp200lx. It would be great to compose on the move, possibly using some old dos 'tracker' software. I was hoping there might have been a recent breakthrough or something. Best, Mike Edwards ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:31:41 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: Francois Gurin In-Reply-To: <20020705203551.GA21977@shot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/5/02 -0400, Francois Gurin wrote: >On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 03:59:06PM -0400, LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > > So my questions are: > > > > 1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? > >f-prot from datafellows has a freeware dos version .... >They keep the virus definition files up to date. .... >There is a 286 version available, but i've neither tried them on the hplx >nor with the current signature definitions. Yes exists, but here is a quote from their FTP site ftp://ftp.F-Secure.com/anti-virus/free/286/ -- ----- F-PROT free version directories, /f-prot/free/286 ==================================== fp-228b.zip F-PROT 2.28b limited free version for older computers fp-228b.asc PGP signature of fp-228b.zip Note that this is the last version that worked on 286-based or older computers. It will not give you protection to any viruses found in 1998 or later. ----- So, :-( it is not a choice. Secondly, I think I tried that 286 version and it hung up the palmtop because of instruction set. This goes a LOOOONG time back ... >fwiw, i've always had the best of experiences with the dos version of >f-prot. wish i could say the same about it's competitors Indeed it is an excellent product. >leaves the internal flash questionable. You can copy ENTIRE internal memory to a card and scan it too on a desktop. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:37:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Secure e-mail on 200LX? Comments: To: Tomas Moberg In-Reply-To: <200207052133.XAA15710@d1o913.telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In the appropriate mailbox in POST.CFG, add the line: CRAM-MD5=0 You can also try the TNT page (Tips & Tricks) at http://www.dasoft.com/tnt.htm#cram-md5 for the same information. It's been there since January 2001 ... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:50:38 -0400 Reply-To: Francois Gurin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Francois Gurin Subject: Re: [HPLX] Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: Avi Meshar In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705162358.04ba80d0@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 04:31:41PM -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > >f-prot from datafellows has a freeware dos version > .... > >They keep the virus definition files up to date. > .... > >There is a 286 version available, but i've neither tried them on the hplx > >nor with the current signature definitions. > > Yes exists, but here is a quote from their FTP site > ftp://ftp.F-Secure.com/anti-virus/free/286/ -- ... > computers. It will not give you protection to any viruses found in > 1998 or later. > ----- > So, :-( it is not a choice. Secondly, I think I tried that 286 version and > it hung up the palmtop because of instruction set. This goes a LOOOONG time > back ... I believe it. If you read my post, i specifically mention i didn't know if the updated defs ( ftp://ftp.datafellows.com/anti-virus/free/fp-def.zip ) worked with the 286 and if the 286 version worked on the hplx. I've just verified the new defs aren't compatible with 2.28b. So you're right, it's not a choice :/ > >leaves the internal flash questionable. > You can copy ENTIRE internal memory to a card and scan it too on a desktop. I did mention that i think, didn't I? Now I'm not too sure... ahh, I said 'perhaps ... [it'll work]', I'll be more definate next time. --francois ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:40:13 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: [HPLX] Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: Francois Gurin In-Reply-To: <20020705225038.GA22641@shot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/5/02 -0400, Francois Gurin wrote: > > So, :-( it is not a choice. Secondly, I think I tried that 286 version and > > it hung up the palmtop because of instruction set. This goes a LOOOONG time > > back ... > >I believe it. If you read my post, i specifically mention i didn't know >if the updated defs ( ftp://ftp.datafellows.com/anti-virus/free/fp-def.zip ) >worked with the 286 and if the 286 version worked on the hplx. I did not mean to criticize what you suggested, only to add the missing info. >I've just verified the new defs aren't compatible with 2.28b. So you're >right, it's not a choice :/ And I am afraid that the program may not even run on the palmtop. So sad to have a fantastic product and it won't run... > > >leaves the internal flash questionable. > > You can copy ENTIRE internal memory to a card and scan it too on a desktop. > >I did mention that i think, didn't I? Now I'm not too sure... >ahh, I said 'perhaps ... [it'll work]', I'll be more definate next time. Maybe later, huh? Don'y take it as criticism. I just added what I thought maybe others would need as well. I am glad to find someone who thinks like me and can finish my thoughts and I can finish his thoughts! Of course that could become dangerous, huh? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:54:07 -0400 Reply-To: Francois Gurin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Francois Gurin Subject: Re: [HPLX] Re: [HPLX] Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: Avi Meshar In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705183644.04b16c60@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 06:40:13PM -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > Maybe later, huh? Don'y take it as criticism. I just added what I thought > maybe others would need as well. I am glad to find someone who thinks like > me and can finish my thoughts and I can finish his thoughts! Of > course that could become dangerous, huh? No worries, I didn't take it as criticism. You clarified some missing and other potentially confusing parts. I tossed in a good deal of information and CC'd the list so others could clean up as necessary. :) --francois ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:53:16 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Win 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Somone posted on this list about running Windows 98 on the 200lx. Can this really be done? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:13:12 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: N Knight In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Only if you can wait long enough for the program to load - approximately 2 weeks... Nah! really cannot be done, Daniel was just having an attack of "the funnies" ... Windoz 3.0 CAN be run on the palmtop in a limited way, nearly makes it useless... At 7/5/02 -0400, you wrote: >Somone posted on this list about running Windows 98 >on the 200lx. Can this really be done? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 05:03:14 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: How to delete file??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Near the beginning of the backup it tried to read a 0 byte file >>I can't get in and delete the darned file!.. and it was suggested.. >getting a DOS file manager - Qfiler is an example. i had a similar problem once which i simply fixed with del p*.* Gunnar suggested also: > Try to get the deltree command file from a desktop machine. DELTREE > filename will kill single files, despite its name. And if you replace > every odd character with a ? it should work. DELTREE really deletes > everything! > -- > Gunnar Thvle > tell us how it went Dr.Nat - fixit ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:35:27 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone EVER had a virus on their Palmtop? I try to always keep an anti-virus program running on my desktop computer and always run everything through that system, checking for viruses constantly, whether it goes to my palmtop, laptop, or another system on our home network. In the 15 or so years that I've had a PC, I've only had a virus on it once, maybe twice. I have NEVER had any kind of e-mail virus infection, it is always stopped at the the virtual "door" (gateway?) by the AV software on download, and I don't use MS Outlook or any of it's flavors. I have NEVER had a virus on the Palmtop, at least as far as I know, but I have never experienced any virus-related symptoms, unless maybe there's one that causes the Accurite Travel Floppy to lock up the system on accessing a disk! ;-) I have spent too much time and effort, and been paid too little for it, eliminating viruses from other people's computers, and/or fixing what a virus has done. I always have an antivirus program running and up-to-date, and I try to always be careful and vigilant. (Especially with those diskettes that I have with several hundred sample viruses on them, from my software testing days! My anti-virus program would *freak-out* if I was to put one of those in the floppy drive!) Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:54:08 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Richard and Patti Smith >Has anyone EVER had a virus on their Palmtop? A number of years ago I had a virus on the desktop computer. Wisely I chose not to update the 200lx until the virus was elminated by the av program. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:04:20 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Axel Berger writes: > Eric Greenspoon wrote: > > I can't get in and delete the darned file! I've tried so far in Sys > > Manager. The file isn't recognized there. > > This is pretty serious as I can't back up my c: drive now. > > I always use the Volkov commander for this kind of thing - Filer is not > nearly as good. If the file is not shown, it might be hidden. Try > dir /A:H > from the dos prompt. I just got into this thread (been too busy to read mail this week). It looks as though you created a directory with russian chars and then when deleted keybez, the characters in the file name are no longer "legal". If you have tried everything else, why not try reinstalling KEYBEZ and then deleting the file when its name should hopefully be then "legal" -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:07:11 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: How to delete file??? Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Eric Greenspoon writes: > I would like to thank Barry, Larry, Fred, Axel et al. > who have given me suggestions on how to solve my problem. > > I have just solved it and fortunately it didn't take too long! > OOPS - On the good side my suggestion worked. On the bad side, it came too late. On the good side you worked it out yourself. Oh well at least I tried... -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:19:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN:MSG2ASC.SCR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- I just uploaded a little 11 line ROBOT/LX script that will re-write POST/LX messages (inbox/outbox, MIME/8bit, both header/body) as printable ASCII. Includes a user editable character translation file. Called MSG2ASC.ZIP - item 6 in the scripts at homepages.paradise.net.nz/th. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:31:53 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "LEONG Ka Tai" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: Virus in Palmtop? > Recently, I sent a message to another member using POST/LX on > the HP 200LX, about some committee business. After sending to > her twice, she still had not replied. So I called her, and > she said that she has not even opened my messages but deleted > them right away because her virus checker said that my > messages were infected by a virus. > > I was shocked. I thought that the 200LX must be pretty much > immune because who has the time to write virus for DOS > nowadays? I use a Mac for my desktop and viruses for that > platform is rare too. That is why (I admit with shame) that I > am quite lax with checking for viruses. If you'd like to send me a private email at barry AT fbtc DOT net, I keep Norton email virus protection running and updated. I get several virus emails a week so I know it's working. I've also had a lot of email from time to time from list members and I'm sure much of that was sent from a 200lx. So far no problems from a 200lx that I know of. So I should be able to spot a virus in your email if there is one and I shouldn't (hopefully) have any problems from it. Then I can let you know the result, assuming I still have a working OS. :) This probably isn't a definitive test, but if my system doesn't show that you have a virus, it's very likely you don't have one. Someone mentioned a 286 version of f-prot. Most 286 software will run on the LX's 186 CPU as long as it doesn't try to go into proteced mode and since 286 protected mode wasn't as useful as it is in a 386, most 286 software doesn't use it.. The 186 is kind of a slower 286 without protected mode. So it's worth trying. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:37:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: N Knight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Knight" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: Win 98 > Somone posted on this list about running Windows 98 > on the 200lx. Can this really be done? It was a joke. It can't be done. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:07:33 -0600 Reply-To: ccohen5 Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: ccohen5 Subject: Win 98 on the LX Comments: To: erwann@ABALEA.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stand chastised, its just that over the years the members of this and the former CS forum have done some amazing things with the 200LX. So unlike HRH, I am much amused! Good catch Daniel! Colin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:45:19 -0500 Reply-To: Hal Goldstein Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hal Goldstein Subject: Battery covers -- $10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The battery covers we had manufactured for the HP 200LX came in. Based in part from your feedback several months ago, we lowered the price to $10. You may order one or more at www.palmtoppaper.com -- specifically at http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=164. Note that a $5 U.S. and $12 overseas shipping charge is added to each order (that doesn't include a palmtop) no matter how small or large the order. Hal from Thaddeus ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:54:06 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: How do you make XTG easy to read? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Digging around and found my archived copies XTree Gold. Just running it (x.bat) leads to some hard-to-read menu items. Yes, I can invert the screen colors back and forth, but that's a headache. I looked for an "options" item that would let me display in "B&W" or whatever it took. How do folks here tackle that issue? TIA, --tim PS. Apologies in advance, if I asked this question 6 months ago and forgot . I don't THINK I've asked this before, but... Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:34:07 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Win 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Barry >Subject: Win 98 >It was a joke. It can't be done. Drat....I had my hopes up.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:09:03 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: OT: RE: forgotten procedure.. In-Reply-To: <01e801c22390$62a7ebb0$88734b0c@ed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I don't know the cause and doubt there is any way to fix it. Ver > 0.90 is the last version of the program by the author prior to his = death. It's always strange to hear about a person dying in cyberspace. = Sometimes I forget that at the end of all this tranference of ideas is = flesh and bone.=20 Does anyone on the list remember Al Borg? He was a list member a few = years ago. After a while, he stopped corresponding. The last = communication about him came from his wife to let the group know of his = passing. Of course, it could have been someone's stupid prank but I = think he was probably a real person.=20 Take care, all. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:17:21 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX In-Reply-To: <002c01c22443$e38a5de0$6e0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem is the emulation. Windows expects at least a 386 instruction = set. In order for the 80186 to support it, you have to employ an = emulator (like VMWare). Unfortunately, there is a huge performance hit. = You really have to run the 386 emulation in a sort of batch mode. Where = you executre some code and come back later for the results. I would = expect that an interactive game like Quake could be quite tedious to = play. Personally, I prefer to run Linux (without a GUI). I can press a = key at the login prompt, get a cup of coffee and be ready for the next = key. It takes a few days to get anything done but at least the emulator = let's you save the state to a file. I find the slow pace someone = refreshing. It gives one time to think. Nice job, Daniel. I knew your were destined for great things when you = took over the SUPER site. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:49 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwann ABALEA" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX >=20 >=20 > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ccohen5 wrote: > > > > > Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am > flabbergasted! What > > > applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? > > > > Of course he's kidding. Windows 95 and later support no less > than the 386, > > and run in 386 protected mode only. > > > > It was only a joke... > > > > Daniel, you made it, it worked! ;) >=20 > I emailed Daniel when he posted this and asked how he did it. > His instructions were clear and concise and Win98 works > perfectly. >=20 > I've been playing Quake 3 on my 200lx all morning. Well, I've > been waiting for the introduction screen to finish loading all > morning. It could be a little faster. >=20 > Barry >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:40:58 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's probably a false positive > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > LEONG Ka Tai > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 3:59 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Virus in Palmtop? snip >=20 > I was shocked. I thought that the 200LX must be pretty much > immune because who has the time to write virus for DOS > nowadays? I use a Mac for my desktop and viruses for that > platform is rare too. That is why (I admit with shame) that I > am quite lax with checking for viruses. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:59:54 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:40:37 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Axel > >02h29m09s ago ... >Axel Berger wrote: > >> So you have found a way to install Win98 on your 200LX, have you? I = have > >Yes, It's easy: Just copy an existing Win98 installation to the flash >card, replace all c:\ occurrences in the INI files with A:\, replace >VGA with CGA and start win.com from a:\windows. ;-) > Speaking of other operating systems- is anyone using Minux? I tried it out and tryed installing tcpip but it didn't work. Can someone explain how you get tcpip installed in minux on the lx? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Minix on the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am trying out Minix. I have the 8 meg version. How do I access the Man pages? Are there any good web resources for learning about it? I am trying to do a few things. One- I'd like to format a flash card with Minix so I can keep programs on it. Two- I'd like to install tcp/ip for web access. Three- I'd like to find a high level language for it, not C, to code for it. Any possiblity of doing this stuff on the LX? John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:56:16 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > Speaking of other operating systems- is anyone using Minux? I tried it > out and tryed installing tcpip but it didn't work. Can someone explain > how you get tcpip installed in minux on the lx? You can't. There is no PCMCIA support, so network cards won't work. There is no support for the serial port, so no ppp over serial lines either. That, and the inability to access the DOS drives I think will stop anyone from using minix seriously. I poke around with it some, but that's about it. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:47:15 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix on the LX In-Reply-To: <4b7fiuoncau950hk8fmfp7d6qqvq430bcd@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > I am trying out Minix. I have the 8 meg version. How do I access the > Man pages? Are there any good web resources for learning about it? I > am trying to do a few things. One- I'd like to format a flash card > with Minix so I can keep programs on it. Two- I'd like to install > tcp/ip for web access. Three- I'd like to find a high level language > for it, not C, to code for it. Any possiblity of doing this stuff on > the LX? I'm guessing you got this from http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/minix. I deleted the man pages from the 8 meg version to make it fit. The man pages alone took up 1.3mb. I should have a kept a few common ones I guess, but the purpose of the smaller versions was just something people could try out. The smallest complete version is the 20mb one. If you are at all serious about minix though, you should get Mack's final release from the link in the last paragraph, but it's 42mb. If you mean on the LX, one and two above are not possible, no pcmcia support. Three, there are Pascal and Modula-2 compilers available. Don't know about others. If you haven't seen these, they are a good start for other resources http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html http://www.disi.unige.it/person/DoderoG/minix/minix.htm and the newsgroup comp.os.minix Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:10:57 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN:POSTH version 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 07.07.02 8:06 PM +1200 (NZT) POSTH version 5 is now uploaded to my homepage. It now uses templates for compose/reply toplines in e-mail/newsgroup messages. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:58:12 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Win 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 15h18m12s ago ... N Knight wrote: > Drat....I had my hopes up.... Ohh - what have I done?! Of course it was a joke! I'm sorry! Windows 98 CANNOT be run on the LX. Windows 3.0 is the last version of Windows which can be run on the LX. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:20:34 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Win 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Windows 3.0 is the last version of Windows which can be run on the LX. With a somewhat loose definition of "run" of course. Or has anyone ever found a single program making that worthwhile for him? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:41:17 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Win 98 > Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > Windows 3.0 is the last version of Windows which can be run on the LX. > > With a somewhat loose definition of "run" of course. Or has anyone ever > found a single program making that worthwhile for him? There used to be a topcard picture in the download section of HPHAND for the 95lx that looked like you were looking at win3.1. I think that's about as close as the LX will ever come. Actually there's no reason we couldn't do that with win9x. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:10:03 +1000 Reply-To: David Eggins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Eggins Subject: PCMCIA to Everything adapter In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Has anyone used the PCMCIA to SmartMedia, Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick adapter here: http://www.verbatim.com.au/Hardware/pccard/adapters.html Interesting. Could use any media type in the HP with this and a CF adapter. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:30:56 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Backlighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:08:22 +0000, lloo@ATT.NET wrote: > A better alternative is the Photon 2: > http://www.glow-bug.com/product.php?sku=2 > > or Photon 3: > http://www.glow-bug.com/product.php?sku=43 > > The latter has a microprocessor control that > continuously pulses the LED to extend the battery life > (but at a rate that makes it seem non-pulsing to the > human eye). Unless the LED is operating in a mode where _it_ is more efficient at higher currents, pulsing does not save any energy.(And the power to run the microprocessor will lower overall efficiency.) The response of the human eye is linear, so when the pulse rate is higher than the "fusion" frequency of the human visual system, you "see" only the average brightness of the LED, not the peak brightness. This has been discussed extensively in sci.engr.lighting. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:01:50 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Newsreader for HP200? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:15:22 +0200 Erwann ABALEA a icrit: > Yes, from an application point of view, the mobile phone is a modem. But > technically speaking, the real modem is located somewhere between the Base > Station and the connection to the classical phone lines. I see what you want to say, but I must disagree. You are true about the fact that there is a modem between the Base Station and the classical phone lines. But here, you are talking about a second modem. This cannot exclude the fact that the thing inside the phone is also a modem. Remember that the output of a modem is not necessarily classical phone line. It can be ISDN, xDSL... or GSM !!. When you are in terminal mode and type AT HAYES commands (which is _a_ way to communicate to a modem), theses commands are executed in the phone, not somewhere else. You don't have to be connected to the network to access to the modem... > If I configure GP to talk to a modem (as I first did), then it calls my > provider, runs the script, and quits. EPPPD is never called (I put > something just before the call to EPPPD in gp.bat, si I know the batch > file doesn't go that far). Perhaps, but in the case which concern us (disconnection caused by the DCD status check), I can assure that it is after the EPPPD call. As I said before, the connection closes after the apparition of the message indicating that the packet driver is installed [at the vector 0x62]. And it is EPPPD which sets this vector, with the parameter pktvec you found in the call EPPPD pktvec 0x62 -as a0000 mru 1536 file GPIPF.CFG [Anyway, remember that all I say is only from memory. I can be wrong and cannot verify that as, as you know, I have not currently an HP200 to test with... But as I made too many tests about the DCD line problem, I don't think I am wrong..] > Well... Maybe it's too long since I developped things for DOS, but to me, > once a process has taken control of the serial port, trying to check this > serial port without the controller's knowledge is a bad design. I have to > admit that under DOS, a lot of awful things need to be done to make useful > programs... ;) I agree to this point... But it is true that a direct hardware access if far more reliant... > > One interesting thing in GP is that it checks the DCD line, and if it > > finds it high, it try another method (ATH0 +++) to assures itself that > > the line is well closed. > > Well. I didn't know that. It may be not necessary, as in some cases, the > termination of EPPPD causes a PPP break message, and the peer closes the > connection (and the modem, and the call). This is the problem. I don't remember exactly why, but it is because some modems don't get the break message (issued by the TERMIN utility) that the connection is not closed... > > Rememeber that the WIRE mode can be used only for GPRS connexions, not > > regular modem/GSM ones... > > No, it also works perfectly with a GSM connection. In fact, I started to > setup the GSM connection (before my GPRS activation), it worked (I > downloaded some emails). I then saved my modifications, and added some > more for GPRS. Now I can connect either using GSM or GPRS, and get my > mails. Interesting.... Have you tried that with a standard modem ? > To me, GP only needs a packet driver to be here, whatever the physical > support. Once this packet driver is loaded, everything goes through it. Absolutely. But remember that if the DCD test is not mandatory to get the connection. it is utile if you don't want to make unnecessary steps if you are not connected. It was the intention of Steve Lawson, but when he has designed his program, there was not many GSM phones... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:07:11 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Win 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel, 03h42m45s ago ... Axel Berger wrote: > With a somewhat loose definition of "run" of course. Or has anyone ever > found a single program making that worthwhile for him? > Not really. I only know of Word 1.1 and Excel 1.2 (?) which can run on Win3.0, I tried them, but they are quite slow and not very good to read. In addition, all or most non-ASCII characters cannot be typed in. The mouse pointer is not easy to find on the screen, especially while it moves. And for compatibility with the "mature" Office applications, you can also use Word 6.0 for DOS (which even supports TrueType fonts) and Lotus 1-2-3, so I don't see any real need to run Windows 3.0 on the palmtop. Maybe it is good for DOS task switching? I don't know. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: <4b7fiuoncau950hk8fmfp7d6qqvq430bcd@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > John Musielewicz > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:55 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Minix on the LX >=20 >=20 > Hi >=20 > I am trying out Minix. I have the 8 meg version. How do I access the > Man pages?=20 The man pages are not included in the 8 meg version > Are there any good web resources for learning about it? http://www.minix.org/ > I > am trying to do a few things. One- I'd like to format a flash card > with Minix so I can keep programs on it. The version that works on the LX seems to virtualize disk access to the = point that Minix is not able to access the 'real' disk at all. Be aware = that Minix will only get the available RAM when it is run. Any TSRs and = other stuff you have running will rob minix of usuable RAM. > Two- I'd like to install > tcp/ip for web access.=20 I noticed that the large versions seem to have a lot of the tools = needed. I could never get it to open a serial port, tho. >Three- I'd like to find a high level language > for it, not C, to code for it. Any possiblity of doing this stuff on > the LX? Keep us informed. I've thought that Minix was a great alternative to DOS = on the LX but it needs apps and a front-end. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Win 98 In-Reply-To: <3D284E32.76EDCC13@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Windows 3.0 is the last version of Windows which can be run on the = LX. >=20 > With a somewhat loose definition of "run" of course. Or has anyone = ever > found a single program making that worthwhile for him? >=20 > Axel Yes, Word and Excel. Excel was good for the wizzy wig factor and = compatability with current versions of excel. Word also seemed pretty = good and they both ran at a reasonable speed. I changed jobs and they = were no longer quite so handy. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:39:32 +0200 Reply-To: Tamas Feher Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tamas Feher Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, >Francois Gurin said: >..... >As an aside, i don't encourage people to run anti-spam and anti- >virus screening software, ESPECIALLY at the mail server level. To the contrary! The only feasible site of defence these days is at the gateway level, e.g. on CVP firewalls, Exchange, Lotus Notes, etc. Catch the worm, before it gets to the users workstation! There is no reason to send a warning to the originator, because I- worm.KLEZ, the worst epidemic of all times, forges the sender field. Just give a warning to the intended recipient, so he/she can act if desired and contact sysadmin if she needs the file back from quarantine. Actually my company gets so many virus-infected e-mails each day, that we configured our mail virus scanner not to send any warnings, but to the sysadmin. Only macro-virus infected messages are treated by a human; Klez, Magistr.B, Hybris, etc. files just hit the /dev/null. >Both have a high chance of generating false hits Actually, if you want to score 100% on the monthly test, you need not have one single false alarm. This is for conventional virus scanners with heuristics on. (BTW, usually about 55-60% of submitted products scores 100% each month. If the stability / crashproofing of AV scannners matched their current level of precision and accuracy, it would be Heaven on Earth). Behaviour blockers, sandbox technologies, content filtering etc. are another breed. Things like WebSweeper / PornSweeper rarely alert correctly. You're able to watch flogging ladies in black leather and pink, but not toddlers breast-feeding or fire tenders on Chicago streets! Yet, these products are selling like hot cakes, because they allow companies to cover their backs in case some female employee goes lawsuit. BTW, seems like there is no way to viruscheck a HPLX in itself. Even if you found a 16-bit real-mode scanner, it would run too slow to be useful. Recently I had the luck to try F-Prot for DOS v3.12 on a 386SX-16 / 6MB laptop and it was a struggle. It took almost 5 minutes to initialize and start scanning and then the speed was miserable, even with heuristics off. Have the LX's ATA flash card out and check it in a Pentium-grade laptop. Viruses cannot infect its built-in software, because the ROM is is not flashable. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:28:39 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: ANN: PDB2ADR v2.0 (PDB2X v2.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends, I just uploaded PDB2X version 2.0 to my homepage (http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/pdb2x). Main change is the new version of PDB2ADR, now v2.0.Distribution lists are now far more user friendly. Changelog: * The sms number / email address separator for combined SMS number / email address output is only created if both email column and phone column are not 0. * Distribution lists (i.e. lists with category check enabled) are now created in the same format as the main email address book, i.e. "Name " rather than just "email@address.xx" This new distribution list format can be handled by Post/LX versions from 3.1 (01-JAN-01). If you have an older Post/LX version and want to use distribution lists created by PDB2ADR, please use PDB2ADR v1.5. * "ALLDISTRIB" feature removed again, because output would be identical = to the complete Post/LX email address book, due to the modified distribution list format. * Nicer SMS phone number output (names are aligned now). GTX daniel P.S.: Please be aware that you can have several email address books in Post/LX. This way you can even use your distribution lists as address books. I have for example in post.cfg: [ADDRESSES] &Email=3Dadr\email.ADR &SMS=3Dadr\sms.adr Ledlight3=3Dadr\ledligh3.adr Y&Forex=3Dadr\YQFOREX.ADR Y&Quotes=3Dadr\YQUOTES.ADR Y&Weather=3Dadr\YWEATHER.ADR YWeather&us=3Dadr\YWEATHUS.ADR Email.adr and SMS.adr are created by PDB2ADR from my main phone book, ledlight3.adr is kept up-to-date by using address grabbing feature of Post/LX: everytime a new LED light order comes in (BTW: I have still some LED light left, I decided to make more than 10), I press "a" and Post/LX saves the address I choose in one of the address books, I choose ledlight3 then; and the rest are Roboweb/LX "address" books. -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:45:43 -0400 Reply-To: LEONG Ka Tai Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: LEONG Ka Tai Subject: Re: [HPLX] Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Francois and Avi, for your prompt responses. You have confirmed my belief that the HPLX with POST/LX is the safest combination for email. Too bad f-prot does not work on the palmtop. Ka Tai Francois Gurin wrote: > On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 03:59:06PM -0400, LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > > So my questions are: > > > > 1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? > > f-prot from datafellows has a freeware dos version (the windows version > is 30-day shareware). They keep the virus definition files up to date. > However, the main executables are i believe for 386+. There is a 286 > version available, but i've neither tried them on the hplx nor with the > current signature definitions. > > fwiw, i've always had the best of experiences with the dos version of > f-prot. wish i could say the same about it's competitors > > if f-prot 286 ( ftp://ftp.datafellows.com/anti-virus/free/ ) with the > new defs doesn't work directly, and you'd like to do the virus scanning > on the hp, i can try looking around and seeing what's available these > days. > > > 2. Could someone check this message to see if this is infected? > > Your message was plain text. under dos, if you just send a message > without an attachment, there's very little possibility of contaminating > another via email even if you were infected. someone would have to > take the time to write a trojan which would add attachments to your > POST/LX on the fly. Sounds like a great deal of work to attack a > relatively small community. > > > 3. Could her virus checker be wrong? > > it's possible if it were using hueristics to come up with a 'suspect' = hit. > Nothing in the headers of this message looked suspect, but the mailing > list software may have cleaned it up. were you using a different = character > set or anything different than what is contained in this message? I'm = not > all too familiar with current windows anti-virus software, but i'd = imagine > it may not react well to some character maps. > > I know at least of at least one anti-spam filter which takes character = maps > into consideration when determining spam scores. > > > 4. If my palmtop is infected, how do get rid of the virus? > > you could find software which works on the hplx and run it, or alternate= ly > you can laplink or interlink the palmtop such that it shows up on your = desktop > as a remote drive and run anti-virus from there. I'm not sure if = there's a > macos laplink and if it's compatible with dos versions built-in to the = hplx. > > also, you can move the flash card to a desktop and scan it, but that = still > leaves the internal flash questionable. perhaps backing up internal = drive > to the flash, scanning, and if anything is found do a hard reset and = restore > would be the fastest option. > > -- > As an aside, i don't encourage people to run anti-spam and anti-virus > screening software. ESPECIALLY at the mail server level. Both have a > high chance of generating false hits and it's unfair to both the sender > and the recepient. many times, the user will not even get the chance = to > decide for themself (which is the ultimate in rudeness). At least if > each individual gets a warning and the chance to ignore it, it saves > a great deal of frustration in the long run. > Some things are best done preemptively, but not at the expense of = violating > my privacy, and not without my judgement being involved. > > --francois > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:34:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Win 98 > Maybe it is good for DOS task switching? I don't know. I just remembred that when I took a windows programming course at Microsoft University (long gone) the teacher mentioned that dosshell started as a prototype for the next version of Windows. I think that was in the windows 3.1 days but I'm not sure. We might have been using 3.0 then. In any case dosshell uses the same cooperative multitasking code that windows uses. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:38:55 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Win 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Will Dos-shell run on the 200lx? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:58:08 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: LxPro toggles between codepage 437 and 850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich wrote: > >Tony Hutchins wrote: > > > > ...if I open MEMO, CTRL+TAB ESC (invoke Lxpro and > > exit) then a hotkey after MENU seems to be disabled. > > I also noticed that behaviour, actually even some years ago. > I always thought it had something to do with SC or so, but I just tried > and indeed: It is repeatable after invoking LXPro! Sorry for my late reply. I was able to reproduce your observations and the ESC key is the wrongdoer. If I replace the ESC scancode by any other scancode, everything works ok. That means, SysMgr somehow remembers the ESC even if I remove it completely from the keyboard buffer. But it is no big problem, because you may always use CTRL+TAB instead of ESC to exit from LxPro. This is how I used to do it, and therefore never had your problem ;-) Exiting with CTRL+TAB has even the advantage, that LxPro remembers your window settings and uses them upon the next activation. Note: This is only needed for LxPro under SysMgr. In any other cases there are no problems if you exit through ESC. > Well, if I go to the ASCII table, set the cursor to character Dec 251 > and ONLY zoom throught the three modes (LXPro is on top of Post/LX > currently), then the character changes even WITHOUT pressing Del. At > least in the table, don't know about the underlying application... > > I tried with several other characters, and it seems to be the same for > char DEC 247, but not for most other "!!"-marked characters. > > What's happening here? I really don't know. I thought I could add a code page indicator, but it didn't work. DOS tells me the actual code page, which should be in use, but in general this it not true. I would not call this a bug, but rather a problem of all the various places, where code pages are encountered. Many of us use different fonts loaded in autoexec.bat, but sometimes only for one or two of the four different fonts. POST/LX allows to load extra fonts and SysMgr does not allow the change of the codepage at all. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:04:07 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001d01c22606$8bd13c80$0c0d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/7/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >In any case dosshell uses the same cooperative multitasking code >that windows uses. Just a nitpickin' item: It is rather a task-switching, not multi-tasking. Multitasking implies that background tasks continue progressing while in that state (background) when in fact they are dead in the water. Taskswitching implies that one task replaces all others in garnering the full attention of the cpu. With dosshell background tasks are not alive. Try this: In OS/2 - a real multi-tasking O/S, run a spreadsheet calculation and a download via modem. Both will continue progressing. With DOSSHELL on any machine including Palmtop, when you switch to the spreadsheet, your modem connection dies. You can also experiment with DeskView - it turned DOS into a multitasker - downloads AND calculations continued apace - albeit, slower. Years ago, I owned the oldest BBS in SoCal. We had a 287 with DV running 5 tasks that allowed 5 people to simultaneously sign-up to the service. It worked too. We used to take customers on a tour, and we turned off the signon because credit card numbers and other info would appear on the screen. Instead we ran 5 tasks, each performing a DIR or some other silly command. All 5 windows were humming on the screen quite nicely ... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:51:05 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Win 98 > At 7/7/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > >In any case dosshell uses the same cooperative multitasking code > >that windows uses. > > Just a nitpickin' item: It is rather a task-switching, not multi-tasking. > Multitasking implies that background tasks continue progressing while in > that state (background) when in fact they are dead in the water. > Taskswitching implies that one task replaces all others in garnering the > full attention of the cpu. With dosshell background tasks are not alive. > Try this: In OS/2 - a real multi-tasking O/S, run a spreadsheet calculation > and a download via modem. Both will continue progressing. With DOSSHELL on > any machine including Palmtop, when you switch to the spreadsheet, your > modem connection dies. You can also experiment with DeskView - it turned > DOS into a multitasker - downloads AND calculations continued apace - > albeit, slower. You're correct. I often make that mistake. I learned about multitasking in the late 60's when it was the only flavor there was. So everything came under that heading. I still use it generically when I don't stop and think about it. Actually there were three terms then, that I can remember. Time slicing, multitasking and multiprocessing. They all really meant the same thing but were used in slightly different contexts. When cooperative "multitasking" or non-preemtive "multitasking" entered the picture it was called multitasking but usually the two were distinguished as preemtive and non-preemptive or as cooperative and preemptive. Calling it task-switching came later. I still want to call it multiprocessing sometimes, and that really confuses things. :) > Years ago, I owned the oldest BBS in SoCal. We had a 287 with DV running 5 > tasks that allowed 5 people to simultaneously sign-up to the service. It > worked too. > We used to take customers on a tour, and we turned off the signon because > credit card numbers and other info would appear on the screen. Instead we > ran 5 tasks, each performing a DIR or some other silly command. All 5 > windows were humming on the screen quite nicely ... One of the first systems I worked on was a Univac 9400 that had 5 job slots. In theory it could run 5 programs at once. But with only 132k ram we could rarely get over three to run. And if one of them had to do a sort, we made sure it was the only thing on the system at that time. The sort of the voter registration list to do jury selections generally took 6 to 7 hours. As programmers our first job, and the thing that got us praise and raises was writing small fast code. Self modifying code was a good thing. Spaghetti was wonderful. If it took longer to write it that was ok. As long as it was tight and fast. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:45:51 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX In-Reply-To: <002c01c22443$e38a5de0$6e0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most places I hang out we call that a very successful troll ;) John -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:49 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ccohen5 wrote: > > > Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am flabbergasted! What > > applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? > > Of course he's kidding. Windows 95 and later support no less than the 386, > and run in 386 protected mode only. > > It was only a joke... > > Daniel, you made it, it worked! ;) I emailed Daniel when he posted this and asked how he did it. His instructions were clear and concise and Win98 works perfectly. I've been playing Quake 3 on my 200lx all morning. Well, I've been waiting for the introduction screen to finish loading all morning. It could be a little faster. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:43:59 +0100 Reply-To: srtgray@clara.co.uk Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stuart Gray Subject: Re: Win 98 > At 7/7/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > >In any case dosshell uses the same cooperative multitasking code > >that windows uses. > > Just a nitpickin' item: It is rather a task-switching, not multi- tasking. > Multitasking implies that background tasks continue progressing while in > that state (background) when in fact they are dead in the water. > Taskswitching implies that one task replaces all others in garnering the > full attention of the cpu. With dosshell background tasks are not alive. > Try this: In OS/2 - a real multi-tasking O/S, *GASP* Someone else who knows this secret! BTW folks, this works as far back as OS/2 v1.1 Windows 3.1 used co-operative multitasking, where each programme was expected to give up the processor - badly written or malicious code could hog the processor, and of course, in the event of a crash, would tie up the entire machine. OS/2 always uses pre-emptive multitasking, in which the OS decides whicj prog gets the processor time. WinNT naturally inherited this from OS/2, and Win95 finally got it for the everyday user - except when it came to Win3.1 progs. The 16-bit subsystem in Win95 still allowed co-operative multitasking, so a Win3.1 programme will still hang the machine. OS/2's Win3.1 subsystem, running in its own VDM, never had this problem. The only time a hanging programme affects things is if you run two or more Win3.1 programmes in the same memory space, which acts just like a single Win3. 1 machine. Guess which stable, reliable OS I use? [G] Oh, and no viruses of course ;) Stuart -- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:46:23 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Win 98 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:43:59 +0100 Stuart Gray a icrit: > Windows 3.1 used co-operative multitasking, And DR-DOS 7 uses true preemptive multitasking... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:40:19 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple old versions of Parson's Technology Virucide that would run on the LX. The problem is that the data would not be up-to-date. Bob Tamas Feher wrote: > > BTW, seems like there is no way to viruscheck a HPLX in itself. Even if > you found a 16-bit real-mode scanner, it would run too slow to be useful. > Recently I had the luck to try F-Prot for DOS v3.12 on a 386SX-16 / 6MB > laptop and it was a struggle. It took almost 5 minutes to initialize and > start scanning and then the speed was miserable, even with heuristics off. > -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:12:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since most recent viruses target Outlook and Windows security holes (as opposed to being DOS viruses), it is doubtful that you have a recent virus. What you should do is contact the recepient again and ask her what virus was indicated. My bet is that it was a Windows virus, and that your LX was not at fault if there actually was a virus in your email. Bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:41:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Win 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a Win 9x XFinder screen at http://www.angelfire.com/ego/palmtop/ -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@FBTC.NET] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:41 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Win 98 There used to be a topcard picture in the download section of HPHAND for the 95lx that looked like you were looking at win3.1. I think that's about as close as the LX will ever come. Actually there's no reason we couldn't do that with win9x. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:47:55 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX Comments: To: John McCaskill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCaskill" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX > Most places I hang out we call that a very successful troll ;) > > John Only successful by accident. I don't think anyone was expected to believe it. All my life I've enjoyed saying things that were funny (hopefully) because they were so outrageous that no-one could take them seriously. And all my life that's caused problems for me, and sometimes others, because someone did. You'd think I'd learn. :) Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:49 AM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwann ABALEA" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: Win 98 on 200LX > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ccohen5 wrote: > > > > > Daniel, are you kidding about this install? I am > flabbergasted! What > > > applications can you run using W98? Excel? Word? > > > > Of course he's kidding. Windows 95 and later support no less > than the 386, > > and run in 386 protected mode only. > > > > It was only a joke... > > > > Daniel, you made it, it worked! ;) > > I emailed Daniel when he posted this and asked how he did it. > His instructions were clear and concise and Win98 works > perfectly. > > I've been playing Quake 3 on my 200lx all morning. Well, I've > been waiting for the introduction screen to finish loading all > morning. It could be a little faster. > > Barry > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:23:32 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: Win 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N Knight wrote: > Will Dos-shell run on the 200lx? Yes but Software Carousel does the same thing and does it better. Still, Dos-shell is free. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:12 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: srtgray@clara.co.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/8/02 +0100, Stuart Gray wrote: > > Try this: In OS/2 - a real multi-tasking O/S, > >*GASP* Someone else who knows this secret! BTW folks, this works as >far back as OS/2 v1.1 Yes! >Windows 3.1 used co-operative multitasking, where each programme was >expected to give up the processor - badly written or malicious code >could hog the processor, and of course, in the event of a crash, would >tie up the entire machine. The idea was that when a task reached a point when it did not need the cpu, it relinquished it to the operating system VOLUNTARILY. E.g. when an I/O began, the task had nothing to do but wait, and so it was supposed to relinquish the cpu to the operating system which would allocate another, waiting, task to the cpu. But most programs for Win3.1 came from DOS world and they did not want to rework them to be event oriented. It is a huge job. So no one was "cooperative" and everyone hogged the cpu, and basically only one task - the foreground one - ran, everything else sat on its thumbs. >OS/2 always uses pre-emptive multitasking, in which the OS decides whicj >prog gets the processor time. WinNT naturally inherited this from OS/2, yes, exactly. >and Win95 finally got it for the everyday user - except when it came to >Win3.1 progs. The 16-bit subsystem in Win95 still allowed co-operative >multitasking, so a Win3.1 programme will still hang the machine. Exactly! they all ran in one big mishmash instead of in their virtual spaces. Even in 32bit side, Win95, Win98 and WinME still limp when it comes to several tasks, each with its own mix of wait vs cpu. When you add the I/O components, Win 95 esp. and to a lesser degree Win98/ME goes wild trying to balance varying workloads spread among tasks, requiring cpu services, or I/O, and those demands not being quite repetitive and consistent. NT is cool about it as is Win2K. XP is a hybrid, so it is not the best. OS/2 was sanguine and nearly asleep while managing this - it was booooooring and simple to it. I don't know how Linux does but it has a good heritage (Unix), and the other varieties of DOS. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:11:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Erling, Marshall N" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Erling, Marshall N" Subject: WANTED: connectivity pack for testing pocketdos on iPAQ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to try running an emulation of the 200LX on an iPAQ using pocketdos. I'm hoping to have basic functionality of reading 200lx custom databases as well as phonebook and apptbook. So far I've heard that this emulation is very slow, but I'd like to see it first-hand if possible. To do this I'll need to find out where in the world the 200LX connectivity pack is still available for a 'reasonable price'. Via Usenet I received the link below, but the price is considerably higher than what I'm willing to pay. http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=91 HP 200LX Connectivity Kit (Used) $69.95 FWIW, I only need the software and no cable. Thanks, Marshall ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:32:25 -0600 Reply-To: ccohen5 Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: ccohen5 Subject: Treo 270 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tried this PDA - seems like the closest thing to what the 700LX might have become? Colin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:34:52 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: Re: WANTED: connectivity pack for testing pocketdos on iPAQ Comments: To: "Erling, Marshall N" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still have 3 (three) used Connectivity Packs available( original diskettes plus manual) . I am asking 35$/Euro's, this includes (uninsured) shipping. But I do not take checks ( too much hassle) , only Paypal or direct bank transfer. I will add a free CDR with 250MB of LX shareware, freeware and docs ( mostly Super stuff - saves download), as a bonus. Anyone interested please contact me off-line. Kind regards, Michel > To do this I'll need to find out where in the world the 200LX connectivity > pack is still available for a 'reasonable price'. > > Via Usenet I received the link below, but the price is considerably higher > than what I'm willing to pay. > http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=91 > HP 200LX Connectivity Kit (Used) $69.95 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:50:33 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: ANN: ROBONEWS & POSTH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. Tue, 09.07.02 8:45 PM +1200 (NZT) For the adventurous souls I have uploaded rnews31.zip and also posth.zip (version 6). Also CLOCKS is fairly recent. Robonews version 3.1 allows a boldrobot=1 flag so that all your own messages and replies to them and threads including then get marked as bold in POST/LX message view. POSTH uses a template now, with a quite extensive set of keywords. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:36:20 -0700 Reply-To: patrick@west.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Patrick West Subject: Re: Win 98 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:15:56 -0400, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > Excel was good for the wizzy wig factor and >compatability with current versions of excel. Hmm, didn't someone years ago explain how to run the lotus 1-2-3 version 2.4 wysiwyg addon on the palmtop's 2.3 core lotus= 1-2-3? -- Patrick West, patrickwest3@attbi.com on 07/08/2002 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:46 -0700 Reply-To: Martin Bergvill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Martin Bergvill Subject: Trouble with Tremm.exe Error #1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I have this: 32mb Hp200lx Tremm.exe Instemm.exe System Carousel Drivers for the 32mb I would like to have SC to swap to a EMM swap file on the C drive (actually the F drive, I use rdswap) Now look what I do: --- begin of forwarded message --- I start with a clean Hplx 32mb with this in CONFIG.SYS file on the orginal C drive: device=c:\spd31.exe device=c:\rdt2t.exe device=c:\rdswap.exe This will give me a 32mb Cdrive because of the Rdswap. Then I copy tremm.exe and instemm.exe to a directory on C (actually F) I call the directory Tremm Then I run: instemm and create 180*16k pages swapfile. The file is created successfully on the C drive. Then I add this Line in the config.sys file (now on F drive) -------- device=c:\spd31.exe device=c:\rdt2t.exe device=f:\tremm\tremm.exe device=c:\rdswap.exe ------- This gives me a Error#1 when I boot Then I try to move the rdswap in config.sys like this: --------- device=c:\spd31.exe device=c:\rdt2t.exe device=c:\rdswap.exe device=c:\tremm\tremm.exe ---------- I have to change the directory to have it point at tremm.exe (No matter where I place the device=Tremm.exe I get the error) The config.sys above will also give me a Error #1 Then I thought that maybe something went wrong when I first created the tremm.swp file using instemm. Then I removed rdswap from the config.sys. This will give me the orginal C drive and a 32mb F drive. And I tried to do this to create the swap file: instemm 180 F: and the swapfile is created successfully, but I get the same trouble as above. The 32mb are there and working well. I use the same drivers and approach on my 8mb and there it works just fine. That makes me think that there is something that goes wrong with the combination of tremm.exe and rdswap. I found my orginal config.sys from before I sent it to service. It looked like this: device=c:\spd31.exe device=c:\rdt2t.exe device=f:\tremm\tremm.exe /H=32 device=c:\rdswap.exe I am not sure that this config.sys has ever worked. But I am quite sure that I could create a tremm.swp file that I could use with SC. Now I have a normal carosuel.swp file, but emm is faster I remember. As you see I think I have done nothing wrong setting it up, and I have also tried to move the tremm statement without success. I am still a little confused Why it does not work? Why do I get the Error #1? I am just plain stupid or what? BTW when I run mem /c I can see that the EMS are there, but SC does not see it. Please help Martin Bergvill ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:32:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: ANN: ROBONEWS & POSTH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tony 03h14m ago Tony Hutchins wrote: > For the adventurous souls I have uploaded rnews31.zip and also > posth.zip (version 6). Also CLOCKS is fairly recent. Robonews > version 3.1 allows a boldrobot=3D1 flag so that all your own > messages and replies to them and threads including then get > marked as bold in POST/LX message view. POSTH uses a template > now, with a quite extensive set of keywords. Did I mention already that you are a genius? :-) Thanks so much again (in public now) for the boldrobot feature. It's so simple but soooo effective! I don't have to read every subject carefully anymore, just scroll through the messages and the bold font of replies to my own messages draws my attention directly. So good to have it when I'm in a hurry getting a reply to an urgent request in a newsgroup! Thanks a lot! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Erling, Marshall N" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Erling, Marshall N" Subject: question re: connectivity pack versions, upgrade legalities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In terms of the Connectivity Pack software, were there different versions dedicated to supporting the 200LX vs. the 100LX? I've received some great deals via e-mail to purchase a version 1.02, but I want to be sure that what I'm buying is the "latest and greatest". If not, can I still legally upgrade to a more current version somehow? It seems to me HP isn't providing any information about this software any longer, thus I'm relying on the great knowledge of the collective list members. Thanks for the continual source of great info, Marshall Erling ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:58:18 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Win 98 In-Reply-To: <20020709132512.TCUZ6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@d1-xp-pro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The built-in lotus is limited by the RAM. Putting add-ons makes it = worse. The wysiwyg is also harder to use if you're used to a = windows-like interface.=20 On the flip side, a stand-alone version of 123 plus wysiwyg is probably = faster and overall more powerful than the Excel that runs on the = palmtop. I think they both use expanded mem. I'm not sure if wondow$ = excell will read the wiswyg formatting, tho. At the time, the palmtop = excel did all that I needed and the learning curve was very small. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Patrick West > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:36 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Win 98 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:15:56 -0400, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > > Excel was good for the wizzy wig factor and > >compatability with current versions of excel. >=20 > Hmm, didn't someone years ago explain how to run the lotus > 1-2-3 version 2.4 wysiwyg addon on the palmtop's 2.3 core lotus 1-2-3? > -- > Patrick West, patrickwest3@attbi.com on 07/08/2002 >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Win 98 Comments: To: Eduardo Seudsnimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Seudsnimo" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Win 98 > The built-in lotus is limited by the RAM. Putting add-ons > makes it worse. The wysiwyg is also harder to use > if you're used to a windows-like interface. > On the flip side, a stand-alone version of 123 plus > wysiwyg is probably faster and overall more > powerful than the Excel that runs on the palmtop. > I think they both use expanded mem. I'm not sure > if wondow$ excell will read the wiswyg formatting, tho. > At the time, the palmtop excel did all that I needed > and the learning curve was very small. The built-in 123, being in rom, uses a lot less ram, leaving more for the spreadsheet. The standalone version of 123, on the other hand, is loaded into ram, leaving considerably less ram for the spreadsheet. As for expanded memory, 123 only uses it to store integers and strings, if I remember correctly. It uses normal ram for floating point numbers. I'm not sure I don't have that backwards. It's been years. But I think i have it right. Either way ram limits the size of the spreasheet. Expanded memory can give you some extra, but it's not like having more ram. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:45:00 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Trouble with Tremm.exe Error #1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 07h02m ago, on 2002-07-09, Martin wrote: > -------- > device=c:\spd31.exe > device=c:\rdt2t.exe > > device=f:\tremm\tremm.exe > > device=c:\rdswap.exe > ------- > This gives me a Error#1 when I boot Hi Martin, what you are doing seems fine to me, except for the Error#1. Mack will know what that means. In the meantime I recommend to follow this example that Mack has in the docs: device=c:\spd31.exe buffers=20 files=40 lastdrive=J device=c:\rdt2t.exe device=c:\tremm.exe device=c:\rdswap.exe This means copying the small tremm.exe to the little drive with spd31.exe, rdt2t.exe and rdswap.exe I don't think it will make a difference, but you never know! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:14:22 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: OT: OS/2 Comments: cc: Omnibook List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all; Now that XP has begun taking over the world, I've been looking for a reasonable alternative to Windoze. The recent posts on the HPLX list about OS/2 have me curious. I tried it way back when, several years ago, but wasn't extremely impressed. But when compared to some other OS's, it's great. Is there an OS/2 list or FAQ? Is there still any development, including drivers, for OS/2? My main concern would be the ability to use some specific hardware and some of the newer hardware, including USB, and a PC Card 56K modem and 10/100 Ethernet card, on an HP Omnibook 800CT, as well as a PC Card slot on my desktop. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. However, don't suggest Linux; tried it, hated it, thanks anyway. Thanks and regards, Richard Smith -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:37:34 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Charging Mod MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested- the charging hack is almost ready to be released. There was a slight problem with the current limiting (it was too hot) but we came up with a couple good method of cooling it down. One is software the other is hardware- both combined create a really cool circuit but either can be used alone. Right now we have increased the fast current to about 450 mA and it seems to work ok with the 850 mA HP AC adapter. Charging times are really short at about 4 hours for completely empty 1800 mAh batteries. As soon as we are satisfied I'll post the plans and instructions to Super so anyone who wants to do the hack can check it out. BTW I have been using a lower current version now for months without a hitch so I would claim the mod is completely safe for the LX. Also- it might work with the 95LX. You will need to locate a open gpio pin to turn on and off the charging and won't have a trickle charge but you'll be able to monitor it and properly charge your batteries. If someone is interested in hacking it for the 95LX I'd be perfectly willing to modify charge.com so you'll have a software charging contrller. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:44:26 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: "Silly" problem w/ PE: Spell Checker suddenly not found.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I've been moving things to my "backup LX" (an unmodified 4 MB 200LX) to send the "main" LX in for some repairs..... Anyway, PE seems to have forgotten it has a spell checker. I looked into pe.cfg and it points to the right drive and directory. I've tried: Spell=c:\pe Spell=c:\pe\ and Spell=c:\pe\pespell.tr2 Shouldn't one of those work? In each case I get, "No dictionary found!" It used to work :-( TIA for any help. --tim Tim Raymond ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:12:14 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: "Silly" problem w/ PE: Spell Checker suddenly not found.... In-Reply-To: <200207100240.g6A2eKm28396@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anyway, PE seems to have forgotten it has a spell checker. > > I looked into pe.cfg and it points to the right drive and directory. > > > Spell=c:\pe\pespell.tr2 Close, it should be Spell=c:\pe\pespell if you are using the dictionary from D&ASoft. It discusses this in pe.doc in the paledit package. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:19:29 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: "Silly" problem w/ PE: Spell Checker suddenly not found.... In-Reply-To: <200207100240.g6A2eKm28396@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 01h30m ago, on 2002-07-09, Tim wrote: > Spell=c:\pe\pespell.tr2 Spell=c:\pe\pespell should do the trick -Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:27:06 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: "Silly" problem w/ PE: Spell Checker suddenly not found.... In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 09 July 2002 11:12 pm, Michael Kopplin wrote: > Close, it should be > > Spell=c:\pe\pespell Worked like a charm. Thanks Mike! --tim PS. I *thought* I'd avoided the "pe.doc" to save space, but ONCE I looked; then searched it, I did indeed "see the light." *AND,* I learned I can tinker some more and add LOTS of "pespell" files that will really make PE "Rock!" Thanks to all who wrote and created this great utility!!! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Ebay buying out PayPal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone care to post opinions about the transaction, what it will do to service quality of either other issues... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:29:26 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Trouble with Tremm.exe Error #1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Martin, > I am still a little confused Why it does not work? Why do I get the > Error #1? > > I am just plain stupid or what? I tried your setup and had no problems at all. Then I started playing around and found that if I cleared the SHR (system, hidden, readonly) attributes from tremm.swp I would get a beep and "Error #1". Tremm would still use the file, and it would also set SHR. If I rebooted then some of the time I would still get Error #1 and it would continue with every reboot. If I listed the directory of the drive the swap was on, then rebooted, I would no longer get the error. I don't know if this is related to your problem at all, but it seems a little odd. > BTW when I run > > mem /c > > I can see that the EMS are there, but SC does not see it. Are you sure you have set SC to use expanded memory in scconfig? Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:35:19 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Ebay buying out PayPal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020709225555.01e4d790@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This was a news item in April, but ebay also ignited it today when they released their financial results, and their shares went down while PayPal's went up. If you have access to AP it is widely reported there. Here is BizReport's report which they got from AP just the first and last few lines... read it here http://www.bizreport.com/article.php?art_id=3583&PHPSESSID=47263b7c8548314fd9ec499b28a23b08 --- Tuesday, July 09, 2002 EBay Buys PayPal in $1.3B Stock Deal by Brian Bergstein Online auction giant eBay Inc. is buying Internet payment provider PayPal Inc. in a $1.3 billion stock deal that would unite arguably the Web's most successful business with one of the few companies that has been giving it any trouble. EBay executives said Monday they hope acquiring PayPal would make the trading site faster, easier and safer and give eBay a significant chunk of e-commerce action it is missing out on. [...] Also, Wells Fargo & Co. agreed last month to handle PayPal's credit card business, a step that could eliminate problems PayPal had in dealing with rules imposed by MasterCard and Visa. The deal calls for PayPal shares to be converted into 0.39 shares of eBay, which at Friday's closing prices valued PayPal at $1.5 billion, an 18.1 percent premium at the time. The Associated Press, Newsbytes ---- At 7/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone care to post opinions about the transaction, what it will do to >service quality of either other issues... > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:44:57 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Ebay buying out PayPal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020709232922.01f04930@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed And in case you want references from news organizations (which generally try to confirm their news) try this: http://news.google.com/news?as_q=paypal+%2Bebay ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:54 +0800 Reply-To: "R.S." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "R.S." Subject: Need help for Dosshell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone has a dosshell.ini that will make it work on a single speed HP200LX? I'd tried to configure it, but the "option-color" doesn't work and the screen keep blinking. I've the following files in directory a:\ds DOSSHELL COM 4,623 DOSSHELL EXE 236,394 DOSSHELL HLP 161,763 DOSSHELL INI 486 DOSSHELL SWP 35,389 DOSSHELL VID 9,462 DOSSHELL GRB 4,421 Here is the contain of the ini file: [savestate] filemanagermode = singletree startup = startprograms pause = enabled screenmode = text resolution = low sortkey = name sortorder = ascending displayhiddenfiles = disabled replaceconfirm = enabled deleteconfirm = enabled mouseconfirm = enabled crossdirselection = disabled tasklist = disabled switching = disabled [programstarter] group = { program = { command = COMMAND title = Command Prompt } special = default } The version of this dosshell is 5.0 TIA. Roger S. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:04:57 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Need help for Dosshell In-Reply-To: <000e01c227d0$75a629e0$2101a8c0@rogershea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, R.S. wrote: > Anyone has a dosshell.ini that will make it work on a single speed HP200LX? > I'd tried to configure it, but the "option-color" doesn't work and the > screen keep blinking. Have you tried "dosshell /b" when starting it? From google you can find a post with someones dosshell.ini that he used on his LX http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dosshell+black+white+phipps And there are more tips here http://www.hplx.net/wally/dosshell.html Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:10:03 +0800 Reply-To: "R.S." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "R.S." Subject: Re: Need help for Dosshell Comments: To: Michael Kopplin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. I'd also found out that my .grb and .vid were expanded from wrong files, they should be expanded and renamed from cga.gr_ and cga.vi_. I still get a "beep" when select "option-color". I still get the black back ground with white text even if I start the dosshell with "/b". Adding "currentcolor = Reverse" under [programstarter], doesn't work either. Aside from this , it seems to run ok. Any suggestion? Roger S. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:14:16 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard 08h ago Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. However, don't > suggest Linux; tried it, hated it, thanks anyway. May I ask why you hated it? I'm running LInux on my OB 800CT, and I love it. And guess what? Linux supports _all_ the hardware of the 800CT, unlike Windows 98, where you have always problems with the IR port, large hard drives, mouse velocity.... there are also minor problems with Linux, but the hardware support is very fine, the problems can be tweaked away if necessary. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:14:18 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Charging Mod MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 07h47m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > completely empty 1800 mAh batteries. As soon as we are satisfied I'll > post the plans and instructions to Super so anyone who wants to do the > hack can check it out. Great! I'm looking forward to see the plans! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:04:26 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Currently the up-to-date OS/2 is known as "Serenity Systems eComStation / ECS" Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:05:41 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: ISO-8859-2 charset and the palmtop. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Is it possible to have iso-8859-2 codepage (IBM DOS codepage 912.cpi) with keybez on the palmtop? Is it possible to read national charater set text with Vertical Reader? Do you know of a way to use the "mode con codepage" DOS command on the HPLX (supposedly only possible with EGA/VGA) or equivalent? Thanks in advance, Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:58:15 +0000 Reply-To: Gregory Youdin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Gregory Youdin Subject: Re: Charging Mod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed BTW, John, What do you consider a safe current for 200LX power supply? I have spare Omnibook 800CT PS, which is capable of 1A current... Thanks a lot! Best regards, Grigory _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:52:26 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 Richard Smith wrote: > Hello all; > > Now that XP has begun taking over the world, I've been looking > for a reasonable alternative to Windoze. The recent posts on the > HPLX list about OS/2 have me curious. I tried it way back when, > several years ago, but wasn't extremely impressed. But when > compared to some other OS's, it's great. Is there an OS/2 list > or FAQ? Is there still any development, including drivers, for > OS/2? My main concern would be the ability to use some specific > hardware and some of the newer hardware, including USB, and a PC > Card 56K modem and 10/100 Ethernet card, on an HP Omnibook > 800CT, as well as a PC Card slot on my desktop. OS/2 is still around, and available in a couple of differing packages. Look at the newsgroups in the comp.os.os2.* tree. There are a lot of web sites and the like. Here are a few, but probably not the best. But you should get a links page from them. http://www.os2bbs.com/ http://en.os2.org/ http://www.teamos2.org/ http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/index.html For the latest, see Serenity Systems eCS package. This will get you a current system with the newest drivers. Somewhat modified and enhanced distribution with a rebranded name. http://www.ecomstation.com/ http://www.serenity-systems.com/ecs/ecs-main.html You can also get it straight from IBM's subscription service. Some USB is supported; see comments in the newsgroups. PC Cards should not be a problem in general. For the desktop card slot you might do a newsgroup search at Google Groups. I have OS/2 installed on an Omnibook 800 CS, so if there are specific questions, I can pretend to remember what I did to install it. I did have ethernet running at one time, but it has gone away. If you are worried about cost, eBay sells OS/2 packages cheaply. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:09:10 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good luck trying to locate a copy of OS/2. I used OS/2 Warp for awhile and it was okay - but strangely enough, Windows used less hard drive space and memory , which were more important to me at the time than total stability. Of course, we're talking Win95... If you don't like Linux, I have friends who swear by BEOS and FreeBSD - which, come to think of it are Unux-based, aren't they? But from what I hear very stable and the GUI isn't too bad. This might sound strange, but would you consider WinLinux 2001 if you're running Windows 98? The first time I installed it, it didn't like my laptop, but the latest version recognized my funky dual-scan Toshiba Satellite like a charm. I've ordered the full version cd-rom, so I can play with my shell scripting but not have to install Linux proper. I don't have a networking card, but they seem dedicated to the product. (http://www.winlinux.net/2001) When IBM shuns its own operating systems to jump on the Linux bandwagon, I think it might be time to come to terms. Terry O. (world-class lurker) --- Automatic digest processor wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:14:22 -0600 > From: Richard and Patti Smith > Subject: OT: OS/2 > > Hello all; > > Now that XP has begun taking over the world, I've been looking > for a reasonable alternative to Windoze. The recent posts on the > HPLX list about OS/2 have me curious. I tried it way back when, > several years ago, but wasn't extremely impressed. But when > compared to some other OS's, it's great. Is there an OS/2 list > or FAQ? Is there still any development, including drivers, for > OS/2? My main concern would be the ability to use some specific > hardware and some of the newer hardware, including USB, and a PC > Card 56K modem and 10/100 Ethernet card, on an HP Omnibook > 800CT, as well as a PC Card slot on my desktop. > > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. However, don't > suggest Linux; tried it, hated it, thanks anyway. > > Thanks and regards, > Richard Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:23:06 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 1 meg 200lx that I use by the computer has begun going through a set of batteries in 1 or 2 or 3 days. It seems to vary, even though I don't use it much and my useage doesn't vary much. I just look up an occasional phone number or password. I'm using 1600 mah nimh batteries. I've tried several sets but they all do the same thing. I've tried alkalines and they seem to go about as fast. I've also tried nicads, with little difference. i keep an old 10 meg Epson flash card in it. It's made by Sundisk and it's a SDP5-10. That's all on the label. I thought that might be the problem but I've removed it and the batteries are still going as fast. Does anyone have any ideas? I think I've seen this problem discussed before but not having the problem I didn't pay much attention. I have two other 200LXs and a 100lx and two 95lXs so I'm not totally lost, but I hate to lose one. I was hoping this was a lifetime supply since I'm retired and so are they. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:30:27 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast > My 1 meg 200lx that I use by the computer has begun going > through a set of batteries in 1 or 2 or 3 days. It seems to > vary, even though I don't use it much and my useage doesn't vary > much. I just look up an occasional phone number or password. I forgot to mention that my 200lx is a 1 meg single speed unit. It's exactly the way it came from the store. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:34:16 -0700 Reply-To: Christopher Blackmon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Christopher Blackmon Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 In-Reply-To: <200207101252.HAA000.63@Novosad3.FWB.SAIC.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:52 AM 7/10/02 -0500, Steve Novosad wrote: > I have >OS/2 installed on an Omnibook 800 CS, so if there are specific >questions, I can pretend to remember what I did to install it. >I did have ethernet running at one time, but it has gone away. I've been working on installing Warp 4 on my 800CT but have never been able to get the networking working. What did you use as your pcmcia driver? thanks, Christopher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:38:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: Virus in Palmtop? Comments: To: LEONG Ka Tai MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone ever use Protector Plus for Windows 3.x and DOS at...? http://www.pspl.com/products/w3x.htm They claim it runs on any DOS platform. Have not downloaded it to try it. Bob LEONG Ka Tai wrote: > > 1. Is there an uptodate virus checker for DOS? > > 2. Could someone check this message to see if this is infected? > > 3. Could her virus checker be wrong? > > 4. If my palmtop is infected, how do get rid of the virus? > > Thanks for your help. > > Ka Tai > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:00:27 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: "Silly" problem w/ PE: Spell Checker suddenly not found.... In-Reply-To: <20020710031505.AC2BA4127@tiger.actrix.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to Tony and Mike, problem solved! Amazing how the little things can sneak up on you! --ttr ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:08:21 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast Comments: cc: longden_loo@candle.com Have you tried resetting the persistent memory in the LX? This is the special reserved area that keeps its settings even during a reboot. The reset is done by removing all batteries overnight, or removing the batteries and holding down the "ON" key to drain the juices. I seem to remember people posting about various power and charging problems that somehow resulted from a corruption within the persistent memory. I guess the LX sometimes forgets ... just like us. - Longden > My 1 meg 200lx that I use by the computer has begun going > through a set of batteries in 1 or 2 or 3 days. It seems to > vary, even though I don't use it much and my useage doesn't vary > much. I just look up an occasional phone number or password. ... > Does anyone have any ideas? I think I've seen this problem > discussed before but not having the problem I didn't pay much > attention. > > I have two other 200LXs and a 100lx and two 95lXs so I'm not > totally lost, but I hate to lose one. I was hoping this was a > lifetime supply since I'm retired and so are they. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:33 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Charging Mod MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory Youdin wrote: > What do you consider a safe current for 200LX power supply? Infinite - Kiloamperes or up to 2 Megaampere will do nicely. That value only tells you, how much current can be supplied if asked to. The HP wants to see the rated voltage and draws exactly the current it wants, no more no less. If that were to more than the supply can deliver, the voltage will drop and the HP may or may not cope with it - it won't like it too much. If the supply could deliver more, never mind. It is like your credit card. When you use it to buy a magazine it won't matter if your limit is a thousand dollars or two thousand, only the price of the mag is withdrawn. If you try to buy your wife a necklace and the limit is less, then that may possibly cause trouble. OTOH, if you use a very cheap unregulated supply and draw far less than it uis rated for, the output voltage might go much higher than the nominal one. So check that and go for quality and you'll be alright. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:06:23 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: OS2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This discussion about OS2 prompts me to ask a stupid question. Anyway on earth of running OS2 on a 200lx? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:48:41 -0700 Reply-To: Donald Collins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Donald Collins Subject: C language GDB file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working on a GDB database to contain C language references such as Key Words, Functions and the like. This would include example code usage and other misc info. Anyone else already built this? Didn't find anything on palmtop.net. Don. p.s. When it's done, I'll post it to S.U.P.E.R. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:55:42 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: C language GDB file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Donald Collins wrote: > I'm working on a GDB database to contain C language references such as Key > Words, Functions and the like. This would include example code usage and > other misc info. > > Anyone else already built this? Didn't find anything on palmtop.net. I have a Norton Guide version of the documentation for Borland C++ 2.0 with Turbo C. Seems pretty complete. I would guess some things are Borland specific, but it still might be useful. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:04:36 -0700 Reply-To: Donald Collins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Donald Collins Subject: OT: Win 2000 batch files. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all you batch file enthusiasts. I've discovered that Win 2000 has made some significant changes that greatly enhance the use of batch files. My favorite is multi-line commands for the IF and FOR statements. You can now do the following FOR %%x in (*.GDB) do ( ECHO backing up %xx COPY %%x z:\ziparchive\ COPY %%x c:\backup\ ) or the following IF EXISTS filename. ( DEL filename. ) ELSE ( ECHO filename. missing. ) There is a ton of other changes as well such as the SET command. Don. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:00:28 -0600 Reply-To: alaskan@TELUSPLANET.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Davis Bacon Subject: OT: Win 2000 batch files. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another reason to latch onto Win2K before it gets obsoleted by XP. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:16:04 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OS2 Comments: To: N Knight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, N Knight wrote: > This discussion about OS2 prompts me to ask a stupid question. > > Anyway on earth of running OS2 on a 200lx? OS/2 is a pure multitasking OS, and it *needs* the support of the hardware to do this. The 80186 that runs the HP200LX is unable to offer that kind of support, so no, OS/2 can't run on the HP200LX. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- A computer is a state machine. Threads are for people who can't program state machines. Alan Cox in a discussion about the threads and the Linux scheduler ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:20:56 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: C language GDB file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Michael Kopplin wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Donald Collins wrote: > > > I'm working on a GDB database to contain C language references such a= s Key > > Words, Functions and the like. This would include example code usage= and > > other misc info. > > > > Anyone else already built this? Didn't find anything on palmtop.net. > > I have a Norton Guide version of the documentation for Borland > C++ 2.0 with Turbo C. Seems pretty complete. I would guess some > things are Borland specific, but it still might be useful. Considering that Turbo C++ 2.0 is about 10 to 15 years old, considering that in this 10 to 15 years period, the ISO has published 2 versions of the C standard and at least 1 version of the C++ standard (and the ISO C+= + 99 has evolved a lot since what was proposed in Turbo C++ 2.0), I don't think using such an old source of information could be useful for the C language. But if someone wants to program in C 'dialects' (K&R, Borland, ...), then it might be useful. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- "Les neu^H^H^H connect=E9s"?? Peux-tu nous en dire plus. Autant dire que l'on veut musel=E9 les minorit=E9s sous des pr=E9texte falacieux avec des m=E9thodes dignes de la Fran=E7aise des jeux!! -+- SM in : Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Bien museler son neuneu -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:26:46 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: C language GDB file Comments: To: kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU In-Reply-To: from "Michael Kopplin" at Jul 10, 2002 10:55:42 AM > > I'm working on a GDB database to contain C language references such as Key > > Words, Functions and the like. This would include example code usage and > > other misc info. > > > > Anyone else already built this? Didn't find anything on palmtop.net. You need HELPPC (or is it PCHELP?). Great package. Not only C but assembly and hardware help topics as well. I have a data file I made for fixing the colors so it displays okay on the palmtop I can provide if you want. -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:57:15 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast Comments: To: lloo@ATT.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Re: 200lx using batteries up REALLY fast > Have you tried resetting the persistent memory in the > LX? This is the special reserved area that keeps its > settings even during a reboot. > > The reset is done by removing all batteries overnight, > or removing the batteries and holding down the "ON" key > to drain the juices. > > I seem to remember people posting about various power > and charging problems that somehow resulted from a > corruption within the persistent memory. > > I guess the LX sometimes forgets ... just like us. I've gone as long as a week or 10 days without using it and then the battery (and the backup battery) are totally dead and probably have been dead for days. That's happened a few times. I'm sure everything got erased. In addition I've done control shift on a number of times. By the way, once the batteries go the backup battery is soon gone as well. It's using more power than it should somehow. Sometimes I catch it with the backup battery ok but the main batteries gone and then it needs control shift on to start it so I'm assuming it's gone into deep sleep or some such. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:12:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: C language GDB file Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: C language GDB file On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Michael Kopplin wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Donald Collins wrote: >> >> > I'm working on a GDB database to contain C language references such as Key >> > Words, Functions and the like. This would include example code usage and >> > other misc info. >> > >> > Anyone else already built this? Didn't find anything on palmtop.net. >> >> I have a Norton Guide version of the documentation for Borland >> C++ 2.0 with Turbo C. Seems pretty complete. I would guess some >> things are Borland specific, but it still might be useful. > > Considering that Turbo C++ 2.0 is about 10 to 15 years old, considering > that in this 10 to 15 years period, the ISO has published 2 versions of > the C standard and at least 1 version of the C++ standard (and the ISO C++ > 99 has evolved a lot since what was proposed in Turbo C++ 2.0), I don't > think using such an old source of information could be useful for the C > language. > > But if someone wants to program in C 'dialects' (K&R, Borland, ...), then > it might be useful. I'd be surprised if anyone is using a newer version of C++ than Turbo C++ 2.0 on the palmtop. Even that is kind of slow. Maybe it would be ok on a 2x palmtop. I use Turbo C (not ++) 2.0 on mine. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:39:51 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the LX In-Reply-To: <4b7fiuoncau950hk8fmfp7d6qqvq430bcd@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the comments. I went ahead and downloaded the latest version of Minix. I have a spare 440 meg flash card and was thinking of reformatting and partitioning it and putting Minix in a 50 meg dos partition then keeping the last 400 megs as a Minix partition for data and programs. Then I thought I would play with Minix a little and see if I can't get the serial port working. Mack seems to have a really good job getting it to work- no reason to let it go to waste. Minix could really be improved for the 200LX. The basic memory structure could be made more unix-like for memory expanded palmtops instead of being stuck with a 640 meg base limit like dos is. Doesn't Minix have native multitasking too? It seems like a really cool OS. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:15:14 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: C language GDB file In-Reply-To: <004001c22845$d7df8640$bd0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > I'd be surprised if anyone is using a newer version of C++ than Turbo > C++ 2.0 on the palmtop. Even that is kind of slow. Maybe it would be > ok on a 2x palmtop. I use Turbo C (not ++) 2.0 on mine. I don't think there IS a Turbo C++ 2.0. There's Turbo C++ 1.0, and 3.0 (3.0 doesn't run on the 200LX), and Borland C++ 2.0 (which does run on the 200LX), but if anybody has verified the existence of Turbo C++ 2.0, I'd like to hear about it. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:21:50 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: C language GDB file Comments: To: Ian Butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: C language GDB file > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > > > I'd be surprised if anyone is using a newer version of C++ than Turbo > > C++ 2.0 on the palmtop. Even that is kind of slow. Maybe it would be > > ok on a 2x palmtop. I use Turbo C (not ++) 2.0 on mine. > > I don't think there IS a Turbo C++ 2.0. There's Turbo C++ 1.0, and 3.0 > (3.0 doesn't run on the 200LX), and Borland C++ 2.0 (which does run on > the 200LX), but if anybody has verified the existence of Turbo C++ 2.0, > I'd like to hear about it. You're correct. I wasn't thinking. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:47:48 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix on the LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Doesn't Minix have > native multitasking too? It seems like a really cool OS. >=20 It definitely mutlitasks. Try this command at the shell prompt: ( sleep 5 ; echo hello ) & Now press enter a few times and wait. What you did was spawn another = shell that kept running in the background and waiting for 5 seconds to = pass. It kept running while your interactive shell was still accepting = your keystrokes. Also do a 'ps -ef' and look at the running processes. Also, you have two = virtual consoles that can both run stuff at the same time. press alt-f1, = alt-f2 to switch consoles. try pressing function keys without alt... kewl stuff try telnet 127.0.0.1 too bad that don't work. It would at least mean that some networking = is... working. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:40:58 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: OS2 Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Early releases of OS/2 could run on a 286; I don't know if XMS was required though. I suspect the biggest problem is you can't BOOT another os on the lx and I never heard of a way to boot OS/2 via dos program. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ Erwann ABALEA wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, N Knight wrote: > > > This discussion about OS2 prompts me to ask a stupid question. > > > > Anyway on earth of running OS2 on a 200lx? > > OS/2 is a pure multitasking OS, and it *needs* the support of the hardware > to do this. The 80186 that runs the HP200LX is unable to offer that kind > of support, so no, OS/2 can't run on the HP200LX. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:57:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OS2 Comments: To: Russel Brooks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Brooks" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: OS2 > Early releases of OS/2 could run on a 286; I don't know if XMS > was required though. I suspect the biggest problem is you can't > BOOT another os on the lx and I never heard of a way to boot > OS/2 via dos program. I don't know anything about OS/2 but it probably wouldn't be much of a chore to take the boot sector from an installed system's hard drive and make a loader for it so it could be run from dos. This just occurred to me and I don't think I've heard of anybody doing this, but I can't think of any reason that it wouldn't work. However, OS/2 might very well need protected mode, which would keep it from working on the LX. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:38:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:47:48 -0400, you wrote: >>Doesn't Minix have >> native multitasking too? It seems like a really cool OS. >>=20 > >It definitely mutlitasks. Try this command at the shell prompt: > >( sleep 5 ; echo hello ) & > >Now press enter a few times and wait. What you did was spawn another = shell that kept running in the background and waiting for 5 seconds to = pass. It kept running while your interactive shell was still accepting = your keystrokes. > Very interesting. I wonder how it manages without protected mode. The lack of memory would be a small problem with multitasking since you couldn't more than a couple programs. But it it would see even 2 or 4 meg it would solve that problem as long as programs were written to conserve memory. From what I gathered from the usage man page 4 meg is about the upper limit for 386 minix. It would be great if it was possibloe to see all the extra memory on even a 32 meg 200LX. I have about 12 meg free which Minix could use for running programs. That's an awful lot of free memory. >Also do a 'ps -ef' and look at the running processes. Also, you have two= virtual consoles that can both run stuff at the same time. press alt-f1,= alt-f2 to switch consoles. > >try pressing function keys without alt... kewl stuff > Yes it is. Is there a command like list under ftp or dosbook under dr-dos that will list the commands? Or a man page for that? I have been trying to work through the directory structure and haven't been able to figure out how to list the files in the present directory. Are there more directories than usr and bin? > >try telnet 127.0.0.1 > >too bad that don't work. It would at least mean that some networking = is... working. Hmmm..if its run it from a flash card a person won't be able to use a pcmcia network card but I suppose once the serial port is working a person could use that for networking. There's no doubt it needs a lot of work to be fully functional on the LX.=20 > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:05:24 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix on the LX In-Reply-To: <6vqpiu4j0e6vb79vg4v1j7saogpuofm09a@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Very interesting. I wonder how it manages without protected mode. The d00d wrote a book about it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136386776/qid=3D1026356482/sr=3D1= -2/ref=3Dsr_1_2/104-3060370-2556763 Maybe there's some rules you have to follow in how progs are compiled. I = doubt they do it like win 3.1 did it where the program has to relinquish = control. Maybe all execs are a soirt of psuedo code and the kernel = actually runs everything. > The > lack of memory would be a small problem with multitasking since you > couldn't more than a couple programs. But it it would see even 2 or 4 > meg it would solve that problem as long as programs were written to > conserve memory. From what I gathered from the usage man page 4 meg is > about the upper limit for 386 minix. It would be great if it was > possibloe to see all the extra memory on even a 32 meg 200LX. I have > about 12 meg free which Minix could use for running programs. That's > an awful lot of free memory. I don't it swaps either. That could also make 640 go a long way. > Yes it is. Is there a command like list under ftp or dosbook under > dr-dos that will list the commands? Or a man page for that? I have > been trying to work through the directory structure and haven't been > able to figure out how to list the files in the present directory. Are > there more directories than usr and bin? ls will list files in present dir. for recursive do 'ls -laR' 'find /' (no quotes) will list = everything.... use ctrl-bkspace to halt and add a '| more' to page and = ctrl-s/ctrl-q to pause/resume. You can also use '>' to redirect to a = file. > Hmmm..if its run it from a flash card a person won't be able to use a > pcmcia network card but I suppose once the serial port is working a > person could use that for networking. There's no doubt it needs a lot > of work to be fully functional on the LX.=20 It would be nice to be able to run in an SC session. Too bad we don't = have a PAL lib for minix. Without real, useful apps it will never get = past the curiosity stage.=20 I got a friend with one of those new Sharp Zaurus Linux PDAs... now THAT = is the SHIT right there. The damn thing can do just about anything a = Linux desktop can do. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:57:53 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix on the LX In-Reply-To: <6vqpiu4j0e6vb79vg4v1j7saogpuofm09a@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Yes it is. Is there a command like list under ftp or dosbook under > dr-dos that will list the commands? Or a man page for that? I have > been trying to work through the directory structure and haven't been > able to figure out how to list the files in the present directory. Are > there more directories than usr and bin? 'man hier' will show you the hierarchy of the minix directory structure. You can browse through a list of one line descriptions of the available commands by 'yap /usr/man/whatis' and then get more information on specific commands, e.g. 'man yap' Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:52:56 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OS2 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Russel Brooks wrote: > Early releases of OS/2 could run on a 286; I don't know if XMS Yes, but the 286 offers a 24 bits protected mode... The 186 still doesn't. > was required though. I suspect the biggest problem is you can't > BOOT another os on the lx and I never heard of a way to boot > OS/2 via dos program. One might try to rewrite the OS/2 kernel loader to be a DOS program, but again, I'm pretty sure it won't work, only because OS/2 needs a real MMU, and the very first Intel processor to offer one is the 286 (with some serous limitations, but it works). > Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, N Knight wrote: > > > > > This discussion about OS2 prompts me to ask a stupid question. > > > > > > Anyway on earth of running OS2 on a 200lx? > > > > OS/2 is a pure multitasking OS, and it *needs* the support of the hardware > > to do this. The 80186 that runs the HP200LX is unable to offer that kind > > of support, so no, OS/2 can't run on the HP200LX. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Stupidity is no excuse for not thinking. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:56:21 GMT Reply-To: dginsberg@ADRIFT.HARBORNET.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Ginsberg Subject: Re: OS/2 I used OS/2 for many years, from at least version 2 up through the last version 4 (OS/2 Warp). I think OS/2 is a great operating system. I haven't used it for a quite a while for a number of reasons. The biggest problem is that you it's a lot more work getting certain things to work, especially if you have to deal with Windows computers at work. It's often doable, but it's hard to get support from IS staff at work, etc. Also, since IBM has stopped developing it, and there's no open source movement (John Dvorak in PC Magazine suggested IBM release it since they're not using it) there's limits on drivers. I know OS/2 Warp came out before USB, but I'm not sure if there's a work around. I suggest using Partition Magic and the boot manager and installing OS/2 on a partition. That way you could experiment with it to see if it works to your satisfaction before fully committing. Here are some OS/2 links: EDM/2 - The Electronic Developer Magazine for OS/2 http://www.edm2.com/ Master OS/2 Warp Update List http://www.os2bbs.com/file_c/tips/WRP4TIPS.TXT The OS/2 Supersite http://www.os2ss.com/ OS/2 e-Zine! - The best OS/2 reading ANYWHERE. http://www.os2ezine.com/ Welcome to Hobbes http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/ Warp 4 tuning tips http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au/os2/tuning.html Daniel Ginsberg dginsberg@harbornet.com --------------------------------------------- Message sent from HarborNet webmail. http://www.myharbornet.com/cgi-bin/mmstdol.cgi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:51:46 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: zipped image of a tweaked palmtop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list, I'm a relativley new hp200lx owner and am spending ages trawling through the net and SUPER to stock up my 200 with all of the essential programs. The main problem when dealing with such a large volume of software is trying to find which is the latest or definitive version. I'm sure you'll agree there is many solutions to one problem, e.g what is the best alarm manager outside sysmanager, what is the best freeware battery voltage display/charge manager? etc It occurred to me that somebody could simply make and share an image of their a:\ drive and share their best solutions with the rest of us. I don't mean zip up a 100mb+ flash card, but a small set of installed essential software + config files. I appreciate that everybody uses their hp's differently, and that these machines come in different specifications, but I feel a starting point like this would be helpful to a lot of people. Some ideas: battery voltage display and charge management Alarm management (outside 200) A swap / task switching implementation (either Maxdos or Dosshell) Alternative more readable font Text editor + spell checker (PE.20b?) A filer configured to deal with basic extensions and necessary /bin directory (zips, .txt, .doc etc) Anybody agree that the functionality of the hp200 can be so enhanced via software hacks and tweaks, the new user could benefit from a sample configuration to unzip onto their a: drives? Thanks, Best, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:41:28 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Omnigo 100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 11.07.02 12:36 PM +0200 Hi friends, I just got my new-in-the-box Omnigo 100, and a now playing with it. Amazing little machine, although I certainly won't ever use it for serious work. It's just an item for my palmtop collection. I have all DOS models now and the OG100 and will try to get the OG120, too. :-) Well, is here anyone doing serious work with the OG100 or 120? If yes, what do you use it for? Is there any way to save the note taker graphics (mainted with the pen) as PCX to transfer them to the 200LX? How long do alkaline AA batteries usually hold in the OG100? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:09:39 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, >Very interesting. I wonder how it manages without protected mode. Nothing prevents user programs from overwriting each other or the base OS. My desktop IBM PC/XT did crash badly with Minix several times due to this. If you want to multitask for work (e.g. reliability is important) you have to have a 286, better a 386+. >It would be great if it was possibloe to see all the extra memory >on even a 32 meg 200LX. I have about 12 meg free which >Minix could use for running programs. That's an awful lot >of free memory. The chip in the 200LX can theoretically handle 440MB worth of memory chips. It can use ONE megabyte for RAM and the rest for whatever else. There is no way to have system storage (base memory and XMS) beyond 1MB on pre-286 CPU, this is a basic limitation. You can use the remaining 439MB for hard disk emulation and EMS. Theoretically, one could port EMS standard version 4.1 to Minix v2; so that if Lotus123 existed for Minix, you cold work with large spreadsheets... Actually EMS v4 specification allows for a very limited species of executables to be loaded into EMS, but I never seen it being used in real life. Would probably not be compatible with Unix design anyhow. One guy wrote some preliminary EMS/EMM handling code for Minix v1.5 way back in the mid-90's. Someone could probably enhance this and see if it works on the 200LX. However, there are more severe problems with Minix on LX. If you use the palmtop's zoom key, Minix will kick you out in 15 seconds. For Minix to be truly OK on LX, the problem of partitioning an ATA flash card for visibility in LX should be solved first. This issue has been staled for a long time now, either impossible to do or needs insider know-how from HP. Sincerly: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:25:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Seudonimo" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Minix on the LX >> Very interesting. I wonder how it manages without > protected mode. > > Maybe there's some rules you have to follow in how > progs are compiled. I doubt they do it like win 3.1 > did it where the program has to relinquish control. > Maybe all execs are a soirt of psuedo code and the > kernel actually runs everything. Protected mode isn't really needed for multitasking. It prevents programs from using each other's memory making the system more stable unless all the programs are well behaved. >> The >> lack of memory would be a small problem with multitasking since you >> couldn't more than a couple programs. But it it would see even 2 or 4 >> meg it would solve that problem as long as programs were written to >> conserve memory. From what I gathered from the usage man page 4 meg is >> about the upper limit for 386 minix. It would be great if it was >> possibloe to see all the extra memory on even a 32 meg 200LX. I have >> about 12 meg free which Minix could use for running programs. That's >> an awful lot of free memory. > > I don't it swaps either. That could also make 640 go a long way. Microware's OS-9 (not related to the Mac OS) is like a tiny subset of unix. I used it in a Radio Shack Color Computer, with 64k ram. It was multitasking and did no swapping, but the programs, and OS-9 itself, were small. But if you tried to run a program and it didn't have enough memory it simply told you so and refused to run it. It had an interesting switch. You could run a program with a command line switch specifying how much ram it could use. If the program could run in that amount of ram, it did. If not, the loader said so and the program wouldn't load. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:35:30 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard on NPR news this morning that Wallmart is selling an under $300 computer that uses linux and a GUI as it's OS. Buyers can download 3 free apps from the internet when they get home. Things like a spreadsheet, word processor, database and/or games. Then they can buy more software to download. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:14:43 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: zipped image of a tweaked palmtop Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Mike, I think "on paper" it looks like a good proposal. But if you dig deeper it reveals the pitfalls: - It is a lot of work to prepare, while excluding personal and private information - You end up with tons of idiosyncrasies - everyone has a different way to do things. - You now have to sift through every set up to see what's there, to study how someone else is doing things and try to adapt it for your own way - if you like it - you may end up with older items anyway! - You may end up with corrupt programs, mistakenly or not - not only does the preparer spend a lot of time to set up, you have to spend a lot of time to decipher My instinct tells me it is not such a good idea. One of the wonderful features of this list is that you can float questions - specific, narrow, well defined. You get the benefit of answers from people who at least feel they are, if not ARE expert at the area you asked about. With the other scheme, you may get some pieces made by an expert, some pieces cobbled together by the same person who really is not. You will somehow have to figure out what is good and what is not. In my humble opinion you will get much better results, and faster, by asking specifics. Then learn. If you try to combine processes, get the best in place, then ask about combining them - you again get the best advice. It is easier for people who know stuff to answer specifics and help with specifics, then to answer something like "What is the best way to tune up the palmtop's directory and file system?" TIA. Avi At 7/11/02 -0400, you wrote: >It occurred to me that somebody could simply make and share an image of their >a:\ drive and share their best solutions with the rest of us. I don't mean >zip up a 100mb+ flash card, but a small set of installed essential software + ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:20:27 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Feher Tamas In-Reply-To: <00cd01c228cb$731d7e20$162fa8c0@2fkft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/11/02 +0200, you wrote: >The chip in the 200LX can theoretically handle 440MB worth of memory chips. Huh? Where did you get this information? >Actually EMS v4 specification allows for a very limited species of >executables to be loaded into EMS, but I never seen it being used in real life. PKZIP, Agenda - they actually load pieces of code in there, not just data. >For Minix to be truly OK on LX, the problem of partitioning an ATA flash card >for visibility in LX should be solved first. This issue has been staled for a >long time now, either impossible to do or needs insider know-how from HP. Has nothing to do with HP inside info: It also does not work on notebooks. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:58 -0400 Reply-To: MAnderson@SHIPLEY.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Anderson Subject: FS - HP Jornada 567 Pocket PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi: Sorry that this is a bit OT, but I am looking to sell my HP Jornada 567 Pocket PC. It is in very good shape, and has all the latest features - reflective TFT (outdoor viewing), 206MHz processor, 64MB RAM, etc. Here is the description page. http://pandi.itrc.hp.com/busprod/summary/0,12558,series=65373^type=12454^category=64929,00.html?lsidebarLayId=106&rsidebarLayId=62 I am looking for $300, including shipping. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:00:31 -0400 Reply-To: MAnderson@SHIPLEY.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Anderson Subject: FS - HP Jornada 720 (HPC 2000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi: Sorry that this is a bit OT, but I am looking to sell my HP Jornada 720 Handheld PC. It is in excellent shape, and has all the latest features - large color screen, nice keyboard, 206MHz processor, 32MB RAM, etc. Here is the description page. http://pandi.itrc.hp.com/busprod/summary/0,12558,series=81834^type=12454^category=64929,00.html?lsidebarLayId=106&rsidebarLayId=62 Here is the PC Connection page showing features and pricing. http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=221336 I am only getting rid of this as I had gotten a new 728 planning to pass this on to a co-worker, who has opted for my Clie instead. I am looking for $500, including shipping. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:27:46 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: zipped image of a tweaked palmtop I would agree with Avi's instinct. Most of us have different configurations of hardware and software, such that our configuration settings tend to be highly idiosyncratic, being as we are all somewhat picky about optimizing our LX's to be "just so". And this doesn't even factor in that many of us are probably dependent on at least several commercial "core" apps, which would preclude them from the zip image. OTOH, I wouldn't want to discourage any ambitious LX member with several different LX setups and lots of time to prepare what would essentially be a newbie-only tool. Othewise as Avi suggested, this list tolerates questions well. The worse we will probably do is digress and chew bandwidth. - Longden > - It is a lot of work to prepare, while excluding personal and private > information > > - You end up with tons of idiosyncrasies - everyone has a different way to > do things. > > - You now have to sift through every set up to see what's there, to study > how someone else is doing things and try to adapt it for your own way - if > you like it > - not only does the preparer spend a lot of time to set up, you have to > spend a lot of time to decipher > > My instinct tells me it is not such a good idea. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:28:53 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought one from Amazon but returned it. Physically it is beautiful. Opening a web page in Opera was just breathtaking. Tons of Linux apps are available. But... the slide-out keyboard is a pain. I have small hands, even for a woman, and the bottom part got in the way and made it very awkward to use. I might have just skipped the keyboard and used the onscreen one except for the fact that the thing doesn't have a page up/page down button. The round dial moved the screen up or down a line at a time. My PDA functions as an ebook reader about 75% of the time and I couldn't handle that. There was one reader that handled it by software but the built-in Word clone, Opera and text editor all moved one line at a time. Maybe they will fix it in the next version of the OS but someone on the Zaurus list said Opera won't. And it cost too much to let it sit until they fixed it. I still read text on my LX sometimes and I thank whoever did the little hack that changes the 3/9 for one-handed paging. :-) Terry p.s. The Agenda VR3 uses Linux, too. Very cute but no expansion slot. I'll never buy another PDA w/o one, so... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:36:20 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI Did this computer have a name? It seems that I heard the Sharp Zaurus was supposed to be along these lines, but most places have them for well over $300. I wonder if these Linux PDA's permit you to run a shell and execute normal Linux command-line stuff? - Longden > I heard on NPR news this morning that Wallmart is selling an under > $300 computer that uses linux and a GUI as it's OS. Buyers can > download 3 free apps from the internet when they get home. Things > like a spreadsheet, word processor, database and/or games. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:44:14 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: HelpPC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted the other day about HelpPC. I did a search and found this link that still seems to be working. http://cs.nyu.edu/~yap/classes/machineOrg/helppc/ -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:43:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Stocker, Michael" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Stocker, Michael" Subject: Re: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI Comments: To: lloo@ATT.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not a PDA, but a mini-tower desktop PC. -----Original Message----- From: lloo@ATT.NET [mailto:lloo@ATT.NET]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:36 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI Did this computer have a name? It seems that I heard the Sharp Zaurus was supposed to be along these lines, but most places have them for well over $300. I wonder if these Linux PDA's permit you to run a shell and execute normal Linux command-line stuff? - Longden > I heard on NPR news this morning that Wallmart is selling an under > $300 computer that uses linux and a GUI as it's OS. Buyers can > download 3 free apps from the internet when they get home. Things > like a spreadsheet, word processor, database and/or games. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:00:44 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA Thanks Terry. I had been wondering about this PDA since I first heard of it. There were several Linux-enabled PDAs on the drawing boards at one time. I guess it remains to be seen if any of them comes up with a winning combination in terms of usability. - Longden > I bought one from Amazon but returned it. Physically it is > beautiful. Opening a web page in Opera was just breathtaking. > Tons of Linux apps are available. > > But... the slide-out keyboard is a pain. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:48:39 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Minix on the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > It had an interesting switch. You could run a program with a > command line switch specifying how much ram it could use. If the > program could run in that amount of ram, it did. If not, the > loader said so and the program wouldn't load. You know, come to think of it, the nice and tiny palmtop I carry with me nearly all the time, does just the same :-) Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:03:05 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Minix on the LX > Barry wrote: > > It had an interesting switch. You could run a program with a > > command line switch specifying how much ram it could use. If the > > program could run in that amount of ram, it did. If not, the > > loader said so and the program wouldn't load. > > You know, come to think of it, the nice and tiny palmtop I carry with me > nearly all the time, does just the same :-) This feature was provided by the OS, not by the program. The minimum ram a program could use, and the default ram, was in the file header, put there by the assembler/compiler/linker. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:25:25 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: OT: SanDisk Low-Level Commands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a project where I am recording some data to a SanDisk compact flash. We are using DOS and a 186, not at all unlike the 200LX. While the sustained write speed of the SanDisk easily exceeds our throughput requirement, I am having an occassional start-up problem. My best guess is that the CF card is putting itself into sleep mode, and the delay I experience is associated with the wakeup process. I am fortunate in this application that I have adequate "warning" of the impending need to write the data, so if I knew how, I could "wake up" the CF card. Unfortunately, all the standard ATA commands (which is how I'm using the CF card) only deal with putting the drive into an idle or sleep state. I can't find an ATA standard, nor a specific SanDisk, command that would force the device out of sleep and ideally keep it from going back to sleep until I'm done recording. If anyone has any leads or experience in this area, please contact me off list. -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:05:59 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich , Omnibook List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi; I found Linux to have a very steep learning curve. As much as I dislike Microsoft, I have to give them credit for standardizing, unifying and simplifying the user interface. All the MS-DOS commands are about the same, getting help is all about the same, and Windows command are all about the same. MS-DOS is relatively stable and a mouse click in Windows usually does what it's supposed to. Linux, on the other hand, (in my experience) was a nightmare! Linux promoters usually point to the fact that Linux has thousands (if not millions) of developers around the world. The problem with that is that they all seem to have a different way of doing things. One command's syntax is different from another, manuals are written differently, and most are too long. There seems to be no standard way to get help. X-Windows and most other Linux GUIs are so unstable that a mouse click in the wrong place makes it lock up. I also found, with a number of Linux-based GUI's, that buttons weren't where they were supposed to be and/or didn't do what they were supposed to do. I do like that fact that Linux has a built-in C compiler, but I'm not much of a programmer, so it didn't help me all that much. I'm no slouch, I can make DOS and Windows virtually sing and dance, (That's why I like the 200LX so much! I just object to Microsoft's marketing practices, etc., and their great power over the industry. But, I also have a copy of DR-DOS 7 that I could use.), but for me, Linux was a nightmare. I couldn't get anything done and felt like I couldn't trust it to do what was expected. That was so unsettling that I found it too stressful to use the computer, so I switched back to MS products. So, that's why. I'm glad to hear, though, that everything on the OB is supported in Linux. I supposed I could be persuaded to try it again. I tried Win98 on the OB and it was bad, too: frequently locking up, unreliable drivers, etc. So, I installed Win95 from the recovery CD and it runs quite smoothly. As you can probably tell, I don't have much patience with computers anymore. I figure they either work or they don't, and if the people that made it say to do it a certain way, then they're probably right and that's the way it should be done. I'm not going to spend days and hours trying to get something to work that isn't going to work. Life is too short to stress out over a stupid machine. Somehow, at this moment I'm reminded of the Travel Floppy... ;-) Regards, Richard Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Hi Richard > > 08h ago Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > > > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. However, don't > > suggest Linux; tried it, hated it, thanks anyway. > > May I ask why you hated it? > I'm running LInux on my OB 800CT, and I love it. And guess what? Linux > supports _all_ the hardware of the 800CT, unlike Windows 98, where you > have always problems with the IR port, large hard drives, mouse > velocity.... there are also minor problems with Linux, but the hardware > support is very fine, the problems can be tweaked away if necessary. > > GTX ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:28:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Patti Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 > Hi; > > I found Linux to have a very steep learning curve. As much as I > dislike Microsoft, I have to give them credit for standardizing, > unifying and simplifying the user interface. All the MS-DOS > commands are about the same, getting help is all about the same, > and Windows command are all about the same. MS-DOS is > relatively stable and a mouse click in Windows usually does what > it's supposed to. > > Linux, on the other hand, (in my experience) was a nightmare! > Linux promoters usually point to the fact that Linux has > thousands (if not millions) of developers around the world. The > problem with that is that they all seem to have a different way > of doing things. One command's syntax is different from > another, manuals are written differently, and most are too > long. That's not really linux's fault. It's a form of unix and that's how unix is. The utilities were mostly designed and written by system admins and users. Linux just copied them. Keep in mind that most of it was designed 25 or more years ago. That doesn't make what you say less true. Unix was designed to be adminstered by professionals. That was in the days before PCs when everyone just had a terminal. It was never intended as a single user system. You pay a big price for the shorter learning curve in Windows. You can't do as much. Instability isn't part of that price. Microsoft just threw that in. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:33:54 +0200 Reply-To: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Subject: Re: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI In-Reply-To: <2A1AA85DE6231A4A824093437C1F68147FC32F@mercury.accelent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walmart is the last place on earth I'd go to buy a computer...I wouldn't even buy anything from Walmart at all. Just my 2 cents, Oliver ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:47:02 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Terry 05h08m ago Terry Owen wrote: > But... the slide-out keyboard is a pain. I have small hands, even > for a woman, and the bottom part got in the way and made it very > awkward to use. :-( The Zaurus is the only PDA I would _maybe_ consider a replacement for the 200LX. But if the keyboard is really that bad, my hope is gone. Well, I hope the 200LX will be useable for a long time to come. I have got yn Omnigo 100 today, and THAT keyboard is bad, my god! Actually it's the same as the 200LX keyboard, but keys and spaces between keys are horizontally warped by factor 1.5 approximately, but not vertically! And keys are reordered. And no numeric block. Well, I tried to write a text on it as fast as on the 200LX and the result was only crap. ;-) Needs a lot of time to get used to it, I think. > I still read text on my LX sometimes and I thank whoever did the > little hack that changes the 3/9 for one-handed paging. :-) Interesting! What are you speaking about here? Haven't heard of such a hack. A general hack or just for a specific program? > p.s. The Agenda VR3 uses Linux, too. Very cute but no expansion > slot. I'll never buy another PDA w/o one, so... > Did you try the Agenda? Is it really useable or is it more something like a prototype of Linux PDA, which is only to show "that it can be done"? ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:31:12 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:05:24 -0400, you wrote: > >I got a friend with one of those new Sharp Zaurus Linux PDAs... now THAT= is the SHIT right there. The damn thing can do just about anything a = Linux desktop can do. > Yes, very nice. If it had the battery life of the LX and used AA's it'd be perfect. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:31:51 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the LX Comments: To: Michael Kopplin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:57:53 -0700, you wrote: >> Yes it is. Is there a command like list under ftp or dosbook under >> dr-dos that will list the commands? Or a man page for that? I have >> been trying to work through the directory structure and haven't been >> able to figure out how to list the files in the present directory. Are >> there more directories than usr and bin? > >'man hier' will show you the hierarchy of the minix directory >structure. You can browse through a list of one line >descriptions of the available commands by 'yap /usr/man/whatis' >and then get more information on specific commands, e.g. >'man yap' > >Mike Thanks,Mike. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:44:27 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:47:02 +0200 Daniel Hertrich a icrit: > Hi Terry > > 05h08m ago Terry Owen wrote: > > > But... the slide-out keyboard is a pain. I have small hands, even > > for a woman, and the bottom part got in the way and made it very > > awkward to use. > > :-( > > The Zaurus is the only PDA I would _maybe_ consider a replacement for > the 200LX. But if the keyboard is really that bad, my hope is gone. Don't forget some others points : (from http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html ) * Battery life: ~10 hr (backlight off) ; ~1 hr (backlight on) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:17:36 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 In-Reply-To: <3D2DD716.D7BECB52@freeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi; >=20 > I found Linux to have a very steep learning curve. As much as I > dislike Microsoft, I have to give them credit for standardizing, You forgot to mention that fact that there are idiots out there that = will say 'Oh, you're just too stupid to use Linux, go back to MS!' in = response to sentiments like yours. Those are the guys that really p|$$ = me off. I know linux pretty well and I agree with you totally. It is a very = powerful server but a lousy desktop OS. I have a combination of Linux = and windows machines and each one does different things very well. My = HTTP, FTP, mail, gnutella, napster, usenet, Samba (netBios) server is a = linux box whereas I surf the web, read mail, compose documents, edit = pictures and do video editing on a win 200 machine. I would say that you should give Linux a second chance but do not try to = use it as a desktop OS. Use it if you have a need for a true server. > As you can probably tell, I don't have much patience with > computers anymore.=20 I have the same problem... and I work with computers for a living!!! I = have to stop once in a while and take a deep breath. I also have to walk = away and come back later some times or else my blood pressure rises. BTW: Read this http://www.mindpub.com/art206.htm. I fit the description = a little bit. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:34:11 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: <20020711234015.D3BE.JBELIN@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good site, check this out: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html It's like looking at concept cars. I wonder which ones will be real. I = like the PDA, camera, phone one at the bottom. Doesn't anyone make clamshell PDAs with a decent keyboard any more? > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Jacques Belin > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:44 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA > > the 200LX. But if the keyboard is really that bad, my hope is gone. >=20 > Don't forget some others points : > (from http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html ) >=20 > * Battery life: ~10 hr (backlight off) ; ~1 hr (backlight on) >=20 >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:03:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Feher Tamas In-Reply-To: <00cd01c228cb$731d7e20$162fa8c0@2fkft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually the LX memory controller can handle 128 meg total- 4 banks of 32 meg each. I wouldn't see any reason to use something like EMS to handle memory for Minix for the LX. Since programs written for the LX don't have to run on anything else or work like or be compatiable with dos programs we could use a better method, than a 16k page, of handling memory. (It would be nice if we could access dos data though since it is there) The difficulty is since Minix is running in a dosbox who knows what dos calls are layered in. The 640k base plus ems is a dos limitation. I don't see any reason the memory can't be handled in a more effient way for Minix on the LX. the nice thing is since we have the source and it not in rom we can alter it anyway we please for the LX and have our own operating system. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:09:39 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, > >>Very interesting. I wonder how it manages without protected mode. > >Nothing prevents user programs from overwriting each other or the base = OS. My >desktop IBM PC/XT did crash badly with Minix several times due to this. = If you >want to multitask for work (e.g. reliability is important) you have to = have a >286, better a 386+. > >>It would be great if it was possibloe to see all the extra memory >>on even a 32 meg 200LX. I have about 12 meg free which >>Minix could use for running programs. That's an awful lot >>of free memory. > >The chip in the 200LX can theoretically handle 440MB worth of memory = chips. It >can use ONE megabyte for RAM and the rest for whatever else. There is no= way to >have system storage (base memory and XMS) beyond 1MB on pre-286 CPU, = this is a >basic limitation. You can use the remaining 439MB for hard disk = emulation and >EMS. > >Theoretically, one could port EMS standard version 4.1 to Minix v2; so = that if >Lotus123 existed for Minix, you cold work with large spreadsheets... = Actually >EMS v4 specification allows for a very limited species of executables to= be >loaded into EMS, but I never seen it being used in real life. Would = probably not >be compatible with Unix design anyhow. > >One guy wrote some preliminary EMS/EMM handling code for Minix v1.5 way = back in >the mid-90's. Someone could probably enhance this and see if it works on= the >200LX. > >However, there are more severe problems with Minix on LX. If you use the >palmtop's zoom key, Minix will kick you out in 15 seconds. > >For Minix to be truly OK on LX, the problem of partitioning an ATA flash= card >for visibility in LX should be solved first. This issue has been staled = for a >long time now, either impossible to do or needs insider know-how from = HP. > >Sincerly: Tamas Feher. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:07:05 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI Comments: To: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walmart is a good place to buy soap. Nice and cheap. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:33:54 +0200, you wrote: >Walmart is the last place on earth I'd go to buy a computer...I >wouldn't even buy anything from Walmart at all. > >Just my 2 cents, >Oliver > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:05:56 -0400 Reply-To: cojonesdetoro@excite.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Pseudonomen Subject: OT:: Wallmart's selling Lindows computers (linux with a GUI Comments: To: jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I bought an apex ad-1100 dvd player from walmart for $70. It worked out well. I was even able to hack it so that it ignores region coding (yea, I can now view my extensive collection foreign porn) and disables macrovision so I can record rental DVDs for later viewing. BTW: www.nerd-out.com has all the hack information > Walmart is a good place to buy soap. Nice and cheap. > > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:33:54 +0200, you wrote: > >>Walmart is the last place on earth I'd go to buy a computer...I >>wouldn't even buy anything from Walmart at all. >> >>Just my 2 cents, >>Oliver >> >>** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:45:11 +0800 Reply-To: LEONG FOO TEK Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: LEONG FOO TEK Subject: Re: Trouble with Tremm.exe Error #1 Comments: To: hplx@BERGVILL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine had the same problem but once I upgraded to TREMM.EXE v1.4, the problem was solved. Regards, Leong ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:52:19 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Walmart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Probably these computers: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=41937&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937 My brother in law purchased an HP computer from Walmart recently (HP you might have heard of them.) Got a really good price on it. Alot of the stuff they sell is also sold at Compusa, etc. But he lives in an isolated area with many walmarts but no Compusas, Best Buys, etc. Before knocking Wal mart you might want to check them out.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:01:29 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > dos calls are layered in. The 640k base plus ems is a dos limitation. No, it was a hardware limitation at start, everything beyond segment 0x8fff was designed to be mapped to expansion cards and the ROM (0xa000 i= s the EGA/VGA graphic video memory, 0xb000 is the Hercules text video memory, 0xb800 is the CGA/EGA/VGA text video memory, 0xf000 is the system BIOS, ...). This 640k limit was set by IBM at first, not MicroSoft. The first PC had only 64k of RAM, but the layout was still limited as it is now. Anyway, the 808x/8018x can't address more than 1MB of physical memory, an= d that's not a limitation of DOS. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Je sais les forums sont plus longs =E0 charger =E0 cause de ces messages, mais comme =E0 chaque message, vous en ajouter un voir plusieurs =E7a fai= t encore plus long, ce qui vous ram=E8ne as vos propres responsabilit=E9s. -+- OW in http://neuneu.mine.nu : T'avais qu'=E0 pas r=E9pondre -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:42:51 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaques 07h50m ago Jacques Belin wrote: > Don't forget some others points : > (from http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html ) > > * Battery life: ~10 hr (backlight off) ; ~1 hr (backlight on) Well, 10 hrs is about the sam as I get from my upgraded and heavyly used 200LX. Also without backlight. Is the Zaurus screen well readable without the backlight in most conditions? If not, that would of course be a major problem. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:53:08 +0200 Reply-To: "Michael L." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Michael L." Subject: Re: Omnigo 100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit ---- Urspr|ngliche Nachricht ----- (Daniel Hertrich ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:41:28 +0200) Thu, 11.07.02 12:36 PM +0200 >Hi friends, > >I just got my new-in-the-box Omnigo 100, and a now playing with it. >Amazing little machine, although I certainly won't ever use it for >serious work. It's just an item for my palmtop collection. >I have all DOS models now and the OG100 and will try to get the OG120, >too. :-) Is this a machine with GEOS? Mit freundlichem Gru_ / Regards / Saluton Michael Lennartz www.lennartz-online.net Fax: +49 89 244 34 52 57 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:37:47 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:01:29 +0200, you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> dos calls are layered in. The 640k base plus ems is a dos limitation. > >No, it was a hardware limitation at start, everything beyond segment >0x8fff was designed to be mapped to expansion cards and the ROM (0xa000 = is >the EGA/VGA graphic video memory, 0xb000 is the Hercules text video >memory, 0xb800 is the CGA/EGA/VGA text video memory, 0xf000 is the = system >BIOS, ...). You have just described real mode. It is still a dos limitation and can be changed via software. Might be slow though at 16 MHz. > >This 640k limit was set by IBM at first, not MicroSoft. The first PC had >only 64k of RAM, but the layout was still limited as it is now. > >Anyway, the 808x/8018x can't address more than 1MB of physical memory, = and >that's not a limitation of DOS. Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is physical memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:19:12 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:01:29 +0200, you wrote: > > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > >> dos calls are layered in. The 640k base plus ems is a dos limitation. > > > >No, it was a hardware limitation at start, everything beyond segment > >0x8fff was designed to be mapped to expansion cards and the ROM (0xa00= 0 is > >the EGA/VGA graphic video memory, 0xb000 is the Hercules text video > >memory, 0xb800 is the CGA/EGA/VGA text video memory, 0xf000 is the sys= tem > >BIOS, ...). > > You have just described real mode. It is still a dos limitation and > can be changed via software. Might be slow though at 16 MHz. There's nothing more than the real mode on a 80186 or below. Basically, the 80186 is a 8086 plus some new opcodes (PUSHA/POPA for example). > >This 640k limit was set by IBM at first, not MicroSoft. The first PC h= ad > >only 64k of RAM, but the layout was still limited as it is now. > > > >Anyway, the 808x/8018x can't address more than 1MB of physical memory,= and > >that's not a limitation of DOS. > > Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is physical > memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. No, the processor only addresses 1 MB of memory. What the hornet does is use some bank switching technique so that some portions of the memory above the first MB can be 'seen' in the 1 MB address space (this additional memory is mapped to the processor's address space). The 80186 and below have only 20 address lines, so it can only address 2^20 different bytes, 1 MB in short. That's how you could have EMS for example, even on a 8086 (I had such an ISA card on such an old machine a long time ago). --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- fgu> Je reviens sur mon post de 11h27 : Au lieu de :"2=E8me DD en fgu> Secondary Master (SM)" ce serait plut=F4t : "2=E8me DD en Primary Sl= ave fgu> (PS)" -+-Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet-La dialectique du ma=EEtre et de l'esclave -+= - ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:51:19 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:19:12 +0200 (CET), you wrote: >> Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is physical >> memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. > >No, the processor only addresses 1 MB of memory. What the hornet does is >use some bank switching technique so that some portions of the memory >above the first MB can be 'seen' in the 1 MB address space (this >additional memory is mapped to the processor's address space). The 80186 >and below have only 20 address lines, so it can only address 2^20 >different bytes, 1 MB in short. >That's how you could have EMS for example, even on a 8086 (I had such an >ISA card on such an old machine a long time ago). Yet you have just described the solution to the problem. It is addressing memory above 1 mb. Whether the 186 can address memory above 1 mb is immaterial. It is being done. The question is whether a 16k paging system is the best way to do it. I don't think so unless that is a hardware limitation where the harware can only swapsw in 16 k at a time. There would be no way around that and would be an incredibly silly way to design the hardware. Real mode is no obstical but ems might be and would slow down the system incredibly. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:45:09 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: SanDisk Low-Level Commands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Lott wrote: > I am fortunate in this application that I have adequate "warning" > of the impending need to write the data, so if I knew how, I could > "wake up" the CF card. If that is so, why don't you just read or write a very small dummy file? (Or dummy sector, if not using a file structure in your application.) Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:31:56 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry if you get a dual post. The last time I sent this it didn't show up. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:19:12 +0200 (CET), you wrote: >> Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is physical >> memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. > >No, the processor only addresses 1 MB of memory. What the hornet does is >use some bank switching technique so that some portions of the memory >above the first MB can be 'seen' in the 1 MB address space (this >additional memory is mapped to the processor's address space). The 80186 >and below have only 20 address lines, so it can only address 2^20 >different bytes, 1 MB in short. >That's how you could have EMS for example, even on a 8086 (I had such an >ISA card on such an old machine a long time ago). Yet you have just described the solution to the problem. It is addressing memory above 1 mb. Whether the 186 can address memory above 1 mb is immaterial. It is being done. The question is whether a 16k paging system is the best way to do it. I don't think so unless that is a hardware limitation where the harware can only swapsw in 16 k at a time. There would be no way around that and would be an incredibly silly way to design the hardware. Real mode is no obstical but ems might be and would slow down the system an aweful lot. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:35:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Partitioning flash cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was looking through my pcmcia 2.1 manual and saw a couple calls that perked my interest. One is GetFirstPartition 05h which returns device info on the pc card inb the specified socket based on the pc card cis. The second is GetNextPartition 08h which returns device info for the next partition on the pc card in the specified socket based on the pc card cis. These look like they would be useful in a driver which reads a partitioned flash card. Or does the cis have to have partition info in it? if so, how do you get partition info in the cis? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:48:19 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: OS/2 (Sorry if this is a repost.) Barry wrote: > > Early releases of OS/2 could run on a 286; I don't know if XMS > > was required though. I suspect the biggest problem is you can't Versions 1.0 - 1.3 worked on a 286 and required more than one megabyte of RAM. > > BOOT another os on the lx and I never heard of a way to boot > > OS/2 via dos program. > > I don't know anything about OS/2 but it probably wouldn't be much > of a chore to take the boot sector from an installed system's hard > drive and make a loader for it so it could be run from dos. > > This just occurred to me and I don't think I've heard of anybody > doing this, but I can't think of any reason that it wouldn't work. Isn't this (essentially) how Minix is booted? > > However, OS/2 might very well need protected mode, which would keep > it from working on the LX. All versions of OS/2 are protected mode. Version 1 is 286. Versions 2, 3, and 4 are 386 mode. (Current fixpacks may up some requirements to 486 or Pentium? Don't really know. I think even then there is an emulation available that lets 386's run.) Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:55:41 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: OS/2 (Sorry if this is a repost.) Christopher Blackmon wrote: > At 07:52 AM 7/10/02 -0500, Steve Novosad wrote: > > I have > >OS/2 installed on an Omnibook 800 CS, so if there are specific > >questions, I can pretend to remember what I did to install it. > >I did have ethernet running at one time, but it has gone away. > > > I've been working on installing Warp 4 on my 800CT but have never > been able to get the networking working. What did you use as your > pcmcia driver? Hello, From memory, I used the drivers from the NDIS directory on the floppy that came with the Accton EN2216-2 card. Netbios connection to a LAN Manager network. Things broke when I installed the PCMCIA services to try and read my flash card. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:17:45 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: Psion, too - Was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel, I think the keyboard is meant to be used like the RIM, Blackberry, whatever, devices - thumb-typing. I don't object to thumb-typing but I need a way to position my hands. The utility I was referring to is Numlock. I couldn't use my LX one-handed without it. This is from SUPER: --------------------------------------------------------------- NUMLOCK - Toggle Num Lock on Palmtop (1 KB) added 10/13/1999 (Keyboard) Version 1 by Stefan Peichl Courtesy of The HP Palmtop Paper NUMLOCK is a TSR and allows you to use the NumPad of your HP200LX as a separate cursor key block. The advantage to the built in method is, that NUMLOCK allows single keystrokes for PgUp, PgDn, Home and End. Furthermore, NUMLOCK also works under SysMgr. --------------------------------------------------------------- The Agenda seems to have various degrees of quality. I wouldn't use one for anything other than a toy or development machine. But it has an active user community, so maybe someone likes it. ;-) Just to throw another computer into the mix - the Psion 5mx has a very active Linux development community(search for PsiLinux on SourceForge). They have dual boot with Epoc using CF cards. With a DOS emulator, you could have 3 environments running! I wanted to buy one but they are going pretty high on eBay. They look bigger than the LX and I'd like to find something smaller - not that I think that is going to happen. Terry >From: "Daniel Hertrich" >Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA > >The Zaurus is the only PDA I would _maybe_ consider a replacement >for >the 200LX. But if the keyboard is really that bad, my hope is gone. >Well, I hope the 200LX will be useable for a long time to come. >>> I still read text on my LX sometimes and I thank whoever did the >>> little hack that changes the 3/9 for one-handed paging. :-) >Interesting! What are you speaking about here? Haven't heard of >such a >hack. A general hack or just for a specific program? >>> p.s. The Agenda VR3 uses Linux, too. Very cute but no >>>expansion >>> slot. I'll never buy another PDA w/o one, so... > >Did you try the Agenda? Is it really useable or is it more >something >like a prototype of Linux PDA, which is only to show "that it can >be done"? ;-) >GTX >daniel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:17:50 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I found Linux to have a very steep learning curve. As much as I > dislike Microsoft, I have to give them credit for standardizing, > unifying and simplifying the user interface. All the MS-DOS Thanks for the insight on Linux! I always wondered what the "user experience" was like, but haven't yet gotten around to trying it. One remark I disagree with, however, is your giving Microsoft credit for the standard/unified/simplified interface. Actually, it was Apple who first brought this to market with the Lisa, and later the Macintosh. Microsoft just ripped them off, and poorly at that. The only reason Windows is the standard today is the "800-pound gorilla" factor. (For our non-English friends, that's an old joke: "Where does an 800-pound gorilla sleep? Anywhere he wants to!") Yes, I know that Apple got most of the Mac's interface from Xerox, but the difference is that they did it with Xerox's permission and assistance, and they paid Xerox for it with shares of Apple stock. For a neat visual history of the GUI, see: http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline.html For X-Finder "skins" that give your palmtop the looks of many of these GUIs, see: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/palmtop/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:32:55 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is physical > memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. Expanded memory appears to the cpu within the 1 meg limit. Even though there might be more than 1 meg of expanded memory. There's a 64k segment (I forget where but in the first 1 meg) and the expanded memory is mapped into that in 16k sections. Since there is an mmu in the 200lx so it can access the ram disk(s) and that mmu works pretty much like expanded memory in that it can switch 16k segments, software can use that to emulate expanded memory. It doesn't have to work like expanded memory. It can switch in a bunch of memory and isn't restricted to switching it into a 64k segment. That makes the ramdisks work. But it isn't extended memory. Extended memory is memory beyond the 1 meg limit that can be seen by the cpu. For that you need a 286 or better. When I first started working on PCs the 286 was beginning to get popular but the 8088 was still the one that sold best. We had expanded memory cards that could be used on an 8088 computer if the software supported it. Lotus and dBase and custom programs were our main concerns then so expanded memory was useful. In the 286 computers we could add extended memory. For this the cpu had to go into protected mode and that was slow since the 286 can't come out of protected mode and had to reset itself under program control to get back into real mode. So extended memory was slower for a lot of things and the 286 could still use expanded memory. But for certain applications that could stay in protected mode, extended memory was far better. Paradox was an example of this. There were others but I can't remember what now. Interesting enough, there's another mode for the 386 that wasn't planned by intel but it jus sort of worked out that way. It has no official mode but "real big mode" is one common term for it. You go into protected mode and then come out of it but you don't change the addressing. (I'm not a protected mode programmer so I forget exactly what doesn't change). That lets you use the full memory of the computer in a dos program. Dos has no problem with this mode. Microsoft decided this was the future and they began developing what later became Dos 4 to take advantage of this. But they never overcame the problem that if you were in that mode and another program or TSR or anything tried to go into protected mode and then back out, the system would likely crash, since it went back to normal real mode and anything running depending on real big mode wouldn't know it. If they had solved that problem somewhow, it's entirely possible that windows wouldn't have become popular when it did and Dos would now be able to do everything windows does. And still be Dos. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:36 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: <001e01c229b1$174456a0$060d22d1@oemcomputer>; from barry@FBTC.NET on Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 09:32:55AM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 09:32:55AM -0500, Barry wrote: > Interesting enough, there's another mode for the 386 that > wasn't planned by intel but it jus sort of worked out > that way. It has no official mode but "real big mode" > is one common term for it. For the technically curious: - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:44:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > Yet you have just described the solution to the problem. It is > addressing memory above 1 mb. Whether the 186 can address memory above > 1 mb is immaterial. It is being done. The question is whether a 16k > paging system is the best way to do it. I don't think so unless that > is a hardware limitation where the harware can only swapsw in 16 k at > a time. There would be no way around that and would be an incredibly > silly way to design the hardware. Real mode is no obstical but ems > might be and would slow down the system incredibly. Isn't semantics wonderful! :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:48:15 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: Visual Basic for Dos question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's been a long time since I've seen it for sale. Does anyone know what if the last eBay auction - where it went for $51 - is about right? I have a Standard version that I was thinking of selling... Thanks, Terry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:48:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OS/2 Comments: To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Novosad" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: OS/2 > > I don't know anything about OS/2 but it probably wouldn't be much > > of a chore to take the boot sector from an installed system's hard > > drive and make a loader for it so it could be run from dos. > > > > This just occurred to me and I don't think I've heard of anybody > > doing this, but I can't think of any reason that it wouldn't work. > > Isn't this (essentially) how Minix is booted? Could be. I don't really know. Actually there was a linux in a file that booted by running a dos executable. It might have worked that way, too. My good ideas always seem to turn out to be someone else's good ideas. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:08:57 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Martin wrote: > Actually, it was Apple who first > brought this to market Yes quite. Everything that is bad about Windows is far worse with Apple, and they have been doing it on purpose from the beginning. The first 68k Apples (not the ][) had no harddisk light, and they said the user has nothing to do with what the machine actually does and need not and should not know. So next time you desparately try to find out what exactly it is that's going wrong, be thankful for only using second worst. The ways in which the Apple sales people were able to con custmers so successfully is very well documented in the eminently readable "In the beginning was the command line" by Neil Stephenson. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:01:53 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Factory made double-speed 200LX by H-P? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I have heard a rumor, that Hewlett-Packard itself had manufactured a batch of special 200LX palmtops for a large enterprise customer and these were "factory-overclocked" to run at 16MHz. Could someone tell me, if this is true or not and which company was the recipient? Thanks in advance Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:05:34 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: OS/2 In-Reply-To: <003401c229b3$4e957e20$060d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netware boots this way from dos and there's a linux loader called = loadlin.exe that also does this. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:49 AM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: OS/2 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Novosad" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:48 AM > Subject: Re: OS/2 >=20 >=20 > > > I don't know anything about OS/2 but it probably wouldn't be > much > > > of a chore to take the boot sector from an installed system's > hard ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:21:31 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Omnigo 100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael 02h09m ago Michael L. wrote: > > Is this a machine with GEOS? Yes, it is. I heard there is a DOS command line emulation or so available, but it is said to be very limited. BTW: Where can I cet this command line emulation? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:55:44 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Omnigo 100 Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Omnigo 100 Hi Michael 02h09m ago Michael L. wrote: > > Is this a machine with GEOS? > Yes, it is. > I heard there is a DOS command line emulation or so available, but it > is said to be very limited. > BTW: Where can I cet this command line emulation? I don't know about the Omnigo but I had a Zoomer with a similar setup. Geos is designed as a gui that sits on top of another OS. Dos, in this case. The Zoomer used Dalight Dos or something like that. But it booted right into Geos. There was some trick, which I can't recall now, to get it to stop in dos. My guess is that it won't be the same on the Omnigo, but who knows. If it also uses Dalight dos then it's a fairly large subset of MS dos. It has most of the dos services but not all. I forget what it lacked. The real problem was no keyboard. It was possible to detect keypresses from withiin a program but there were only a couple of keys. I think there was also a way to get pen down location and status information from the screen. But I don't think there was any access to the handwriting recognition and I think I remember that the pop-up keyboard was a Geos feature so that wasn't available. I did write a few simple programs on it in asm and it wasn't hard to do. But there was no way to run most existing dos programs. I think some filter type programs would run but I'm not sure now. My idea was to write a debugger for it, kind of like dos's debug. But I never got around to it. I ended up with the Zoomer in a drawer until a few years later when I gave it to someone. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:23:11 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: yopy out of vaporware In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the first Linux PDA I remember mentioned on this list. It looks = interesting in that it is a clamshell-ish design but I think they still = need a better keyboard.=20 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&ncid=3D73&e=3D2&cid=3D73&u=3D= /zd/20020712/tc_zd/943409 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:07:42 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:34:11 -0400 Eduardo Seudsnimo a icrit: > Good site, check this out: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html There is also an interresting page about "System-on-Chip" processors : http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4313418436.html Unfortunateley, all x86 compatible ones seem to demand more than 0.8W to run... :-( Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:07:42 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:42:51 +0200 Daniel Hertrich a icrit: > Well, 10 hrs is about the sam as I get from my upgraded and > heavyly used 200LX. Which uopgrades ? Speed and/or memory ? I don't remember in your case... What kind of batteries do you use ? What brand of CF card do you use ? With my late DS HP200LX, and a bad 64Mb Samsung CF card, my standard alkalines batteries lived at least 18 hours.... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:40:01 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: OT: OS/2 Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Bruce, you're right, it was Xerox, Apple, etc. but I was referring to the DOS command line interface and the standardization of the windows user interface (which complies with a standard that actually has a name which I can't recall at the moment), of which Microsoft was a part, with IBM and others helping. I suppose I should have clarified that, but my post was getting too long already, as is this one. Regards, Richard Bruce Martin wrote > > > I found Linux to have a very steep learning curve. As much as I > > dislike Microsoft, I have to give them credit for standardizing, > > unifying and simplifying the user interface. All the MS-DOS > > Thanks for the insight on Linux! I always wondered what the "user > experience" was like, but haven't yet gotten around to trying it. > > One remark I disagree with, however, is your giving Microsoft credit for > the standard/unified/simplified interface. Actually, it was Apple who first > brought this to market with the Lisa, and later the Macintosh. Microsoft > just ripped them off, and poorly at that. The only reason Windows is the > standard today is the "800-pound gorilla" factor. (For our non-English > friends, that's an old joke: "Where does an 800-pound gorilla sleep? > Anywhere he wants to!") > > Yes, I know that Apple got most of the Mac's interface from Xerox, but the > difference is that they did it with Xerox's permission and assistance, and > they paid Xerox for it with shares of Apple stock. > > For a neat visual history of the GUI, see: > http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline.html > > For X-Finder "skins" that give your palmtop the looks of many of these > GUIs, see: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/palmtop/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:16:29 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: Psion, too - Was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Terry Owen writes: > Just to throw another computer into the mix - the Psion 5mx has a > very active Linux development community(search for PsiLinux on > SourceForge). They have dual boot with Epoc using CF cards. With a > DOS emulator, you could have 3 environments running! I wanted to > buy one but they are going pretty high on eBay. They look bigger > than the LX and I'd like to find something smaller - not that I > think that is going to happen. The Psion5 is a great machine. It is slightly larger and heavier than the LX and will only open to a fixed angle. My sister has one and lives by it. Her main complaint is that the touchscreen reduces the screen quality so much that you need the backlight most of the time. Also, like a pen based PDAs is very mean to left handed people (The stylus always pops out of the right side of the screen..) -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:23:59 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaques 08h34m ago Jacques Belin wrote: > Which uopgrades ? Speed and/or memory ? I don't remember in your = case... > What kind of batteries do you use ? > What brand of CF card do you use ? DS and 32MB upgrades. I use a 192 MB Sandisk CF card, which is inserted all the time, except when I occasionally use an Ethernet card. Batteries: 1800 mAh NiMH rechargeables. > With my late DS HP200LX, and a bad 64Mb Samsung CF card, my standard > alkalines batteries lived at least 18 hours.... Well, I don't care much of the charging cycles. I simply plug in the AC adapter over night, so it gets charged for about 6-8 hours. That doesn't fill the batteries entirely, and I don't deplete them each day entirely. So if I don't have the chance to charge for one night, because I'm on the road or so, it doesn't matter so much, probably the batteries will last one or two more days. If I have to expect them to become empty, I carry spare alkalines with me. The 10 hrs were estimated - I have never measured the batttery time. I simply have found a pattern which works for me and is very easy, I don'T have to think about it anymore. And maybe the batteries don't last 5 years, but only 2 years this way, but hey, they only cost 5$ per pair. Too little money to accept the daily trouble to think about if the batteries will stand the day or not, and all that. My nightly backup adapts itself to the power situation: If AC is plugged in, whole C is backed up. If not, I have split it into steps, the first step is the most important. And before every step it checks the batteries. If they are not good anymore, all following steps are omitted. :-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:49:20 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: ANN: LXTeX additions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat, 13.07.02 4:45 PM +0200 Hi friends, (BCC to Stephan Luettjohann and Hans Hoenen) I have updated the web page of LXTeX2e (LxTeX for the palmtop). http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/lxtex I have added the DINBRIEF package, which lets you create very professional looking German letters, there is also a screenshot of that new document class, and I have added a section "frequently asked questions", which helps to solve problems. And, finally, I have added some info about BIBTEX, which I have been asked about 3 years back already. ;-) It is also in the FAQ section. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:55:59 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: <20020712224136.A15336@svr1.03s.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:36 +0800, you wrote: >On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 09:32:55AM -0500, Barry wrote: >> Interesting enough, there's another mode for the 386 that >> wasn't planned by intel but it jus sort of worked out >> that way. It has no official mode but "real big mode" >> is one common term for it. > >For the technically curious: > > > >- Adrian > Too bad we don't have a 386 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:58:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Walmart In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walmart is a good place to go for cheap prices but the majority of what they sell suffers in quality. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:52:19 -0400, you wrote: >Probably these computers: > >http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=3D41937&dept=3D3944&path=3D= 0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937 > >My brother in law purchased an HP computer from Walmart >recently (HP you might have heard of them.) Got a really good >price on it. Alot of the stuff they sell is also sold >at Compusa, etc. But he lives in an isolated area with >many walmarts but no Compusas, Best Buys, etc. > >Before knocking Wal mart you might want to check them out.... > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:16:39 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Battery life - was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA With regards to NiMH battery charging, I'm getting 17-18 hours from my 1800mAh Monster Power cells (from CompUSA, using a 6mb/2x LX). As with Daniel, I charge overnight and the 6-8 hours is rarely enough to fill the cells. However, I also leave the LX plugged in at work where it's equally convenient (a rare benefit of a desk job besides clean hands). One item of interest to people with NiMH cells ... because I'm never plugged in long enough to complete a 16hr charge cycle (which usually results in a stall short of the max voltage), I've found that repeated stopping/resuming of charging (ie, plugging in at home and work) seems to force the charge to the max voltage more consistently than via a long charge ... as though the "jolt" of a resume kicks the cells past the stall plateau. OTOH, it may just be my imagination ... as with Daniel, my concern about "topping off" the NiMH's has diminished, since my daily routine always takes me to a charger. - Longden > Well, I don't care much of the charging cycles. I simply plug in the AC > adapter over night, so it gets charged for about 6-8 hours. That > doesn't fill the batteries entirely, and I don't deplete them each day > entirely. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:04:21 -0700 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Walmart In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/13/02 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: >Walmart is a good place to go for cheap prices but the majority of >what they sell suffers in quality. If you petition the International Olympic Committee to approve conclusion jumping as a new field, I'll support you! You'll do well in the competition ... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:18:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Walmart In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713140147.03fe9020@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:04:21 -0700, you wrote: >At 7/13/02 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: >>Walmart is a good place to go for cheap prices but the majority of >>what they sell suffers in quality. > >If you petition the International Olympic Committee to approve = conclusion >jumping as a new field, I'll support you! You'll do well in the = competition >... Silly...I NEVER jump to conclusions. The list server simply doesn't allow a long enough message to list all the data.:)=20 > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:22:53 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Fdisking a flash card under Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to fdisk a 440 meg flash card using Minix. Basically I loaded the Cardio driver to make it an I/O device, Loaded INT13 and ran Minix from the C drive, logged in as 'root' and started 'fdisk /dev/fd0'.=20 I tried this because I heard it was posted on the minix news group that success was found with dos minix using pcmcia cards as I/O cards inspite of the lack of native pcmcia support.=20 It just stalls though. Keyboard still works and lets me stop it by pressing ctrl-alt-del- so its not locking up. Am I calling the right drive? Should I tell it to 'fdisk A:'? Is the card too big? I don't want to go any smaller. I am trying to partition the card in preperation for loading the minix file structure to part of it to boot from. TIA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:46:04 -0700 Reply-To: Martin Bergvill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Martin Bergvill Subject: Re: Robonews question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:52 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: Hi Daniel > > Another one is news.cis.dfn.de. I forget how to get a password > > Thanks a lot for this tip! > Anyone interested: Have a look at http://news.cis.dfn.de I have used news.cis.dfn.de for years without any problems. From time to time they are down, but not often. You get a username and password, but I am not sure that you really have to use the correct password(or username). I think I tried this and found out that as long as you pass along something you get access. Need to test though to be sure that this is (still) true. Regards -- Martin Bergvill ,Narvik Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:49:32 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: Fdisking a flash card under Minix Comments: To: jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM In-Reply-To: from "John Musielewicz" at Jul 13, 2002 07:22:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I tried this because I heard it was posted on the minix news group > that success was found with dos minix using pcmcia cards as I/O cards > inspite of the lack of native pcmcia support. Now I know nothing about Minix, but I am just winding up a project where we are using a CF/PCMCIA card without a standard PCMCIA controller. You do this by configuring the card (which must support it) in the "true IDE mode". So configured, your PC/CF flash card will appear to be just a standard ATA disk drive. I suppose one could configure the PCMCIA controller in the palmtop to place the to I/O banks into known/standard locations (1Fx and 3Fx) with some initialization code, then let the normal Minix IDE/Int13 driver assume you have a regular ATA device. I know there are a lot of details left out, but this might prove possible. -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:09:29 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Fdisking a flash card under Minix In-Reply-To: <200207141449.g6EEnXSf304958@mail.hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:49:32 -0500, you wrote: >> I tried this because I heard it was posted on the minix news group >> that success was found with dos minix using pcmcia cards as I/O cards >> inspite of the lack of native pcmcia support. > >Now I know nothing about Minix, but I am just winding up a project >where we are using a CF/PCMCIA card without a standard PCMCIA = controller. >You do this by configuring the card (which must support it) in the >"true IDE mode". So configured, your PC/CF flash card will appear >to be just a standard ATA disk drive. > >I suppose one could configure the PCMCIA controller in the palmtop >to place the to I/O banks into known/standard locations (1Fx and 3Fx) >with some initialization code, then let the normal Minix IDE/Int13 >driver assume you have a regular ATA device. I know there are a lot >of details left out, but this might prove possible. > Yes, this I believe is what Dr. Dubs' cardio and int13 routines do. After they are run the Flash card will appear as a standard ide device with some int13 support so a standard ide driver such as the winchester will be able to use it. The trick, I think, is to get minix to use a hard drive driver to access it instead of the floppy drive driver. Once the flash card is accesible then a native minix file system can be built on the card using dosminix. Or the dos commands may be able to access the data on the card. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:46:35 +0200 Reply-To: Tamas Feher Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tamas Feher Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, >Michael Kopplin wrote: >> Speaking of other operating systems- is anyone using >>Minux? I tried it out and tryed installing tcpip but it >>didn't work. Can someone explain how you get >>tcpip installed in minux on the lx? > >You can't. There is no PCMCIA support Write it and add it! It's open source. >>so network cards won't work. Write it! >>There is no support for the serial port, so no ppp >>over serial lines either. Write it! >>That, and the inability to access the DOS drives There is DOSDIR, DOSREAD, DOSWRITE. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:59:41 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Renaming a file under Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Can one of you Unix gurus explain how renaming a file works under Minix? I am assuming (a big assumstion:))) that since Minix is Unix-like renaming a file keeps to a sort of convention. This is what the Man doc says Name rename - change the name of a file Synopsis #include =20 int rename(const char *from, const char *to) =46ile being renamed is from and the new name is to. What it doesn't explain is what exactly your supposed to do with this? Make a script and run it through a compiler? Why is it so complex as compared to the dos renaming convention where you just change the name? Under Minix is the name somehow important to how the file runs? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:03:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: file extensions under Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering- is there a command to get file extensions to show up under a ls command? Does Minix use file extensions? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:19:26 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Renaming a file under Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Can one of you Unix gurus explain how renaming a file works under > Minix? I am assuming (a big assumstion:))) that since Minix is > Unix-like renaming a file keeps to a sort of convention. This is what > the Man doc says > > Name > > rename - change the name of a file That's a function you call in a program. The command you are looking for is mv. mv(1) NAME mv - move or rename a file SYNOPSIS mv [-ifsmvx] file1 file2 mv [-ifsvx] file ... directory etc. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:29:45 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix In-Reply-To: <3gb3juog0qne6ki2rkv9m64o6s22ht5ckq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > I was wondering- is there a command to get file extensions to show up > under a ls command? Does Minix use file extensions? If there is any "extension" you will see it. Extensions aren't really used like in the dos/windows world. For example, a command is a command because it is marked as executable, not because it has an extension. Some programs and utilities will add an extension, say .Z if you gzip a file, but I think that is mostly for your convenience so you know what it is. The only things you won't see in an ls listing are files you don't have permission to see or files that start with a period. To see the latter, use 'ls -a' to show all files. Well, this only applies if you are logging in as a regular user. As root or bin, you see everything anyway. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:11:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:29:45 -0700, you wrote: >If there is any "extension" you will see it. Extensions aren't >really used like in the dos/windows world. For example, a >command is a command because it is marked as executable, not >because it has an extension. Some programs and utilities will Thanks. This brings up another question:). How does Minix know to mark a file as executable?=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:26:35 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix In-Reply-To: <7df3ju42rbo69a19pkbd5di75a80obcdoj@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:29:45 -0700, you wrote: > > Thanks. This brings up another question:). How does Minix know to mark > a file as executable? It doesn't, you do. Well, I believe the minix compiler will create a file marked as executable, but there is the command chmod which you can change file permissions. See 'man chmod'. By the way, 'ls -l' shows you the file permissions if you haven't tried that yet. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:32:38 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player In-Reply-To: <3D31C70B.16680.105BFE3@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >>didn't work. Can someone explain how you get > >>tcpip installed in minux on the lx? > > > >You can't. There is no PCMCIA support > > Write it and add it! It's open source. > > >>so network cards won't work. > > Write it! > > >>There is no support for the serial port, so no ppp > >>over serial lines either. > > Write it! Ok, I have a little free time this afternoon. I'll also put in support for the IR port while I'm at it. Then if I have time I will work on a dos emulator and hook into the system manager so we can run the builtin apps under minix. Hmm, X-Finder under minix, wouldn't that be cool. Ok, seriously. If it were that easy, I'm sure Mack would have done it. Either he thought it would take a lot of time, or maybe he was disappointed that no one else seemed interested in contributing to the development. I don't think minix will ever be that useful on the LX. With the limitations of the palmtop and minix itself, I can't think of anything that could be done in minix, that couldn't be done quicker and easier in DOS. However, I am actually working on some ideas. I've been able to trim down the size of the kernel about 30 or 40k, which gives more memory for user processes. The downside is that so far it runs about 15% slower. I've also written a few utilities, one actually useful, and am working on some others. > >>That, and the inability to access the DOS drives > > There is DOSDIR, DOSREAD, DOSWRITE. Yes, yes there is. Have you tried them? They don't work. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:50:42 +200 Reply-To: Radek Svagr Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Radek Svagr Subject: Re: antivirus? MIME-Version: 1.0 On my 200lx I am using Scan for DOS version 4.14.0. Virus database from April 2002 (still supported). It is very slow because it is designed to run on any 8086 with 640kB of RAM =no use of EMS. I use it for scaning of new files downloaded to my 200lx from unsafe sources. (internet etc.) Radek ------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:40:01 +0200 From: Dzon Subject: antivirus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for some AV for LX. Neither tbav, nor mcafee and f-prot support less than 386. I've found here in list about russian drweb, but it says not enough memory while loading virus database [I tried 'pure' OS without drivers and enable EMS], it does not exit, though [??]. What AV are you using? -- -Dzon dzon@softhome.net ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:25:57 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:26:35 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:29:45 -0700, you wrote: >> >> Thanks. This brings up another question:). How does Minix know to mark >> a file as executable? > >It doesn't, you do. Well, I believe the minix compiler will >create a file marked as executable, but there is the command >chmod which you can change file permissions. See 'man chmod'. By >the way, 'ls -l' shows you the file permissions if you haven't >tried that yet. > >Mike Thanks for all your help, Mike. I think I've got it. Anyway I tried changing the name of hd1, hd1a, hd1b to fd0 etc and it was no go. It lists the new fd0 as a driver for hard disk 0 and trys to access the C drive. Unless I can find a way of redirecting drive A or reassigning drive A as hard drive #1 I think what I'll do is use Chris Lott's suggestion of just reading and writing the I/O and start on a basic pcmcia driver for the kernel. The floppy drive stuff can really come out anyway since the LX doesn't use one. I think I know what is wrong with the comm port (if the rs232.c is the comm port driver). I think it is driving the port too fast initially and locking it up. (But I don't read C well and could very well be wrong). Do you know if drivers can be written is assembly instead of C? It would be really nice to not have that C overhead and bloat. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:31:14 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Renaming a file under Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:19:26 -0700, you wrote: > >That's a function you call in a program. The command you are >looking for is mv. > Worked like a charm. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:42:32 -0700 Reply-To: Don Evans Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Evans Subject: EBay sales of HP 200LX - Prolink... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Do you remember when an organization called Prolink (I think it was last year, ID: prolink1@gate.net) was actively bidding for HP 200LX's on eBay? Well, recently they have offered a number of 4 MB units, claiming them to be in "MINT" condition. So I bought one with the thought of having a near-new unit (eBay# 1363166458) to replace the current one when it was needed. As you will see from the included letter to the seller, the result so far has been unsatisfactory. I'm sharing this with the List to warn those of you who are interested in their products to approach them with caution. Needless to say, if there is a positive outcome from this transaction (I'm still waiting), I will be back to announce it. -Don Evans. ----------------------------sent 7/12/02---------------------------------- Luciana, I received the HP 200LX night before last, and I am not satisfied. You will remember your eBay lead-in line which advertised this unit: "HP 200LX 4 MB RAM MINT CONDITION". This unit is a long way from mint condition. Terms which describe condition are as follows: MINT: unused, same as new from the factory, new in all respects. NEAR-MINT: essentially unused or lightly used, no blemishes or flaws except those detailed in product description. Sometimes we see people stretch these definitions (not good business), but I believe you have stretched things beyond all reasonable limits. The unit you sent is a very much-used machine. The hinge flexes too much; the keyboard touch is quite soft; the outer case has had some serious dings (an attempt was made to disguise this): ALL of these are marks of a machine that has had very hard use. Let me add that I have used HP 200LX's myself for several years, and that I currently own 4 units. Only one of them did I buy new, and it is still in Extra Fine condition. The others are in Excellent +/- condition. ALL of these are in much finer condition than the one you sent. What I want you to do is to refund my money, including shipping, and I will return this unit to you. UNLESS, of course, you still have an honest-to-god Mint or Near-mint unit you're able to send me... I need your response in the next few days. Please advise. Regards, -Don Evans. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:01:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:32:38 -0700, you wrote: > >> >>That, and the inability to access the DOS drives >> >> There is DOSDIR, DOSREAD, DOSWRITE. > >Yes, yes there is. Have you tried them? They don't work. > >Mike Just guessing here... I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write from a fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory mapped. I'm hoping a flash card will have more luck with those if it is seen as an I/O device.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:16:27 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: Tamas Feher In-Reply-To: <3D31C70B.16680.105BFE3@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:46:35 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, > >>Michael Kopplin wrote: >>> Speaking of other operating systems- is anyone using >>>Minux? I tried it out and tryed installing tcpip but it >>>didn't work. Can someone explain how you get >>>tcpip installed in minux on the lx? >> >>You can't. There is no PCMCIA support > >Write it and add it! It's open source. > >>>so network cards won't work. > >Write it! > >>>There is no support for the serial port, so no ppp >>>over serial lines either. > >Write it! > >>>That, and the inability to access the DOS drives > >There is DOSDIR, DOSREAD, DOSWRITE. > >Sincerely: Tamas Feher. Are you willing to work on it Tamas? I agree- since it is open source it opens up a ton of possibilites for the LX and every thing it lacks can be added. Plus a person doesn't have to be tied to dos which is pretty limited. But it is a fairly bloated OS- from what I've seen so far- and may be just a little too much for the LX without a lot of streamlining. John.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:21:27 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:32:38 -0700, you wrote: >However, I am actually working on some ideas. I've been able to >trim down the size of the kernel about 30 or 40k, which gives >more memory for user processes. The downside is that so far it >runs about 15% slower. I've also written a few utilities, one >actually useful, and am working on some others. Have you been taking out the unessentials like the sound blaster driver and 386 and protected mode stuff? Sounds like your doing alot. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:15:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix Comments: To: Michael Kopplin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: file extensions under Minix > On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > I was wondering- is there a command to get file extensions to show up > > under a ls command? Does Minix use file extensions? > > If there is any "extension" you will see it. Extensions aren't > really used like in the dos/windows world. For example, a > command is a command because it is marked as executable, not > because it has an extension. Some programs and utilities will > add an extension, say .Z if you gzip a file, but I think that is > mostly for your convenience so you know what it is. Once convention OS-9 had that I was surprised not to find in unix or xenix (which is the main ?ix I used) was the naming of directories in upper case and files in lower case. That wasn't enforced in any way but it was almost universal. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:32:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:32:38 -0700, you wrote: > >> >>That, and the inability to access the DOS drives >> >> There is DOSDIR, DOSREAD, DOSWRITE. > >Yes, yes there is. Have you tried them? They don't work. > >Mike Just guessing here... I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write from a fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory mapped. I'm hoping a flash card will have more luck with those if it is seen as an I/O device. C: is in ram but it's a normal hard drive as far as software is concerned. It has a fat structure just like any C: drive. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:46:05 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: barry@FBTC.NET In-Reply-To: <005901c22b8e$c4d15a00$970d22d1@oemcomputer> from "Barry" at Jul 14, 2002 06:32:16 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write from a > fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory mapped. I'm hoping a > flash card will have more luck with those if it is seen as an I/O > device. > >> C: is in ram but it's a normal hard drive as far as software is >> concerned. It has a fat structure just like any C: drive. Barry: I had trouble following John's statement at first, but I think I figured it out. I think what John was trying to say is that the C: drive on the palmtop is installed as a typical RAM disk driver. E.g., it is installed in the DOS chain of devices. Given this, another operating system, e.g., Minix, would not be able to recognize the C: RAM drive, since the RAMDISK device driver is unique to DOS. The fact that the RAMDISK under DOS is formatted in FAT doesn't help us at this level of interface. True, Minix can read a disk which has been formatted with a DOS FAT structure, but you have to have the "hardware" level interface to read the FAT on the device, indeed to read anything on the device. For example, a standard IDE/ATA disk drive would work. It could be formatted in DOS/FAT, and then recognized by a Minix OS, presuming Minix could talk standard ATA commands to the IDE drive. If Minix relies on Int13 BIOS driver to talk to disk drive, then that adds another level of complexity to the problem. The challenge would be to write a Minix device driver that would read the C: drive and give the OS access to the RAM drive. Sounds rough to me. John, If I have mis-stated your comments, please forgive me and post a clarification. -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:06:28 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: (A brief history of unix) was: file extensions under Minix In-Reply-To: <001701c22b8c$77802da0$970d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >(which is the main ?ix I used) BTW: Don't accept what it below as gospel but I think it's about right. Xenix (later called SCO Unix and other 'marketable' names) was put out = by the Santa Cruz Operation which was subsequently swallowed up by = Caldera Linux. They were the holders of the original System V kernel = developed by AT&T and briefly owned by Novel(!). System V Unix can be = considered the 'original main unix' from which all unixes derived either = directly or conceptually. Caldera recently announced that they will be = releasing much of the original code (much to the indifference of the = unix community at large) BSD, AIX, Solaris, Irix, HP-UX and most other commercial offerings all = derived from the System V kernel. BSD was branched off from Sys V a long = time ago and many commercial offerings then branched off from BSD = (lately, MacOS X). Linux was written totally from scratch to emulate = existing unix implementations. I think minix is the same.=20 BTW: Solaris used to be based on BSD but they switched between ver 1 and = ver 2. In retrospect, it was a bad decision but probably did not seem it = at the time. Check this out if your really interested http://perso.wanadoo.fr/levenez/unix/ I think I'll find a way to print his large and hang it up. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:38:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: Chris Lott MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Lott" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player > I had trouble following John's statement at first, but I think I > figured it out. I think what John was trying to say is that the > C: drive on the palmtop is installed as a typical RAM disk driver. > E.g., it is installed in the DOS chain of devices. Given this, > another operating system, e.g., Minix, would not be able to recognize > the C: RAM drive, since the RAMDISK device driver is unique to > DOS. The fact that the RAMDISK under DOS is formatted in FAT > doesn't help us at this level of interface. You're correct. I didn't think it through before I started my post. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:09:22 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: CF card for MP3 player Comments: To: Chris Lott In-Reply-To: <200207150046.g6F0k50A301211@mail.hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:46:05 -0500, you wrote: >> I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write from a >> fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory mapped. I'm hoping a >> flash card will have more luck with those if it is seen as an I/O >> device. >> >>> C: is in ram but it's a normal hard drive as far as software is >>> concerned. It has a fat structure just like any C: drive. > >Barry: > >I had trouble following John's statement at first, but I think I >figured it out. I think what John was trying to say is that the >C: drive on the palmtop is installed as a typical RAM disk driver. >E.g., it is installed in the DOS chain of devices. Given this, >another operating system, e.g., Minix, would not be able to recognize >the C: RAM drive, since the RAMDISK device driver is unique to >DOS. The fact that the RAMDISK under DOS is formatted in FAT >doesn't help us at this level of interface. > >True, Minix can read a disk which has been formatted with a DOS >FAT structure, but you have to have the "hardware" level interface >to read the FAT on the device, indeed to read anything on the >device. For example, a standard IDE/ATA disk drive would work. It >could be formatted in DOS/FAT, and then recognized by a Minix OS, >presuming Minix could talk standard ATA commands to the IDE drive. >If Minix relies on Int13 BIOS driver to talk to disk drive, then >that adds another level of complexity to the problem. > >The challenge would be to write a Minix device driver that would >read the C: drive and give the OS access to the RAM drive. Sounds >rough to me. > >John, If I have mis-stated your comments, please forgive me and >post a clarification. > >-Chris Lott Heh- I'm not going to take credit for your statement but it is along the lines of what I was thinking when I wrote my two line statement. Anyway- it doesn't look like it'll work with flash without some sort of Minix pcmcia driver.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:40:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: usr/src/kernel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been peering at the hard drive source files. From what I see they all seem to be hardware dependant. Does anyone know which source files enable Minix to run ontop of a dos file system and let Minix see it as hd1? It doesn't let it read the file system but it might simply be the driver it is using is imcompatible with the 200LX hardware. Also there seem to be a lot of object files. How and where do they come from. Can the source be recompiled without them? Thanks from the operating system tyro John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:10:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: usr/src/kernel > I have been peering at the hard drive source files. From what I see > they all seem to be hardware dependant. Does anyone know which source > files enable Minix to run ontop of a dos file system and let Minix see > it as hd1? It doesn't let it read the file system but it might simply > be the driver it is using is imcompatible with the 200LX hardware. > > Also there seem to be a lot of object files. How and where do they > come from. Can the source be recompiled without them? From what I read when you run minix from a file it uses dos system calls to access the file. Which makes sense If you have object files and you re-compile the source, you need the object files for any source you don't recompile. If you have the source and recompile it, it makes an object file. But this is about object files. You need the library files. And those can be in library form or in object form. Unless you also have the source for the library files. But you shouldn't need to change them usually and re-compiling from scratch will be a much bigger job. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have minix in a dos window in Win 98 and I just downloaded a debugger. Does anyone know how I can get that into the minix file? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:04:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <008001c22bad$35f85940$970d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:10:11 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:40 PM >Subject: usr/src/kernel > > >> I have been peering at the hard drive source files. From what I >see >> they all seem to be hardware dependant. Does anyone know which >source >> files enable Minix to run ontop of a dos file system and let >Minix see >> it as hd1? It doesn't let it read the file system but it might >simply >> be the driver it is using is imcompatible with the 200LX >hardware. >> >> Also there seem to be a lot of object files. How and where do >they >> come from. Can the source be recompiled without them? > >>From what I read when you run minix from a file it uses dos system >calls to access the file. Which makes sense > >If you have object files and you re-compile the source, you need >the object files for any source you don't recompile. If you have >the source and recompile it, it makes an object file. > >But this is about object files. You need the library files. And >those can be in library form or in object form. > >Unless you also have the source for the library files. But you >shouldn't need to change them usually and re-compiling from scratch >will be a much bigger job. > >Barry Hmm..there is a lib directory which does have files in it. I donno if those are library files. They are in binary. The Makefile in the kernel directory doesn't seem to use library files. But I'm not sure how a Makefile works. There does seem to be header files missing out of the Minix directory. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:19:40 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: <008901c22bad$a0dbef60$970d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's hard to get stuff into the linux drive. Try this: Find if minix has uuencode/decode. If it does, you can uuencode the = binary, open vi in minix and paste the file in. You can find uuencoder = in the cygwin unix tools for windows (A great thing to have on a windows = box). > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:13 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. >=20 >=20 > I have minix in a dos window in Win 98 and I just downloaded a > debugger. Does anyone know how I can get that into the minix file? >=20 > Barry >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:30:25 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm going to respond to several messages in one. > don't read C well and could very well be wrong). Do you know > if drivers can be written is assembly instead of C? It would > be really nice to not have that C overhead and bloat. A lot of the drivers I've looked at use C, but they call a lot of assembly routines. > I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write > from a fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory > mapped. I'm hoping a flash card will have more luck with > those if it is seen as an I/O device. I tried this in the past. I used Dubs int13 driver and various disk drivers compiled into the kernel. None of them worked. Most I didn't expect to, but the dosdsk driver I thought had a chance, but the Dubs driver only has a few int13 functions and apparently not the necessary ones. Not saying this approach won't work, but I didn't get it. > Have you been taking out the unessentials like the sound > blaster driver and 386 and protected mode stuff? Sounds like > your doing alot. Yes. Most of the non-essentials weren't included in Macks compile of the kernel. I took out a few more, and have tried tweaking the number of processes, and buffer sizes. There are some processes, like the printer and floppy, that even if they are disabled in the config file they still show up. I'm looking at how to get rid of them too. > Hmm..there is a lib directory which does have files in it. I > donno if those are library files. They are in binary. The > Makefile in the kernel directory doesn't seem to use library > files. But I'm not sure how a Makefile works. There does > seem to be header files missing out of the Minix directory. There are header files in the kernel source directory as well as /usr/include. You also asked which driver was used for dosminix. That's dosfile.c. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:39:52 -0500 Reply-To: Curtis Cameron Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Curtis Cameron Organization: None Subject: Re: OT: Win 2000 batch files. Comments: To: Donald Collins In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:04:36 -0700 Donald Collins wrote: >For all you batch file enthusiasts. I've discovered that Win 2000 has made >some significant changes that greatly enhance the use of batch files. Thanks for that. Does NT allow multi-line batches as well? My work computer is NT, and I've noticed that sometimes in batch files, when you see the command that it's executing printed out, there's an extraneous "1" in there sometimes, but I haven't figured out why. Could it be an index into a multi-line For? I'll check it out. Also, I have an NT/2000/XP batch question that I can't find the answer to. I want to pass a caret symbol (^) as part of a command-line parameter to the batch. I can do it in DOS on the LX, but when NT or XP substitutes my parameter for the %1, it leaves out the caret. What I'm trying to do is to build up a certain task using xgrep, and the caret indicates the beginning of a line. So if I have a batch file: ----- xgrep -i "%1" myfile.txt > outfile.txt ----- And I call it with the command: mybat ^cam then the xgrep command that I see output is xgrep -i "cam" myfile.txt > outfile.txt So how can I get it to keep the caret? Again, this works in DOS, but not in NT or XP (nor I presume in 2000). I've tried backslashing it and quoting it, with no luck. And where can I find this documented? -- Curtis Cameron ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:04:34 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I have minix in a dos window in Win 98 and I just downloaded a > > debugger. Does anyone know how I can get that into the minix file? > > > It's hard to get stuff into the linux drive. Try this: > > Find if minix has uuencode/decode. If it does, you can > uuencode the binary, ope$ Uuencode and uudecode are there. Actually I have been able to use DOSDIR, DOSREAD, and DOSWRITE if I run the distribution on a desktop or laptop. You would have to compile in one of the normal disk drivers. For example, if I set ENABLE_BIOS_WINI and recompile the kernel I can then access the C: drive on my omnibook 430. (Trying the A: drive locks it up tight by the way.) On the laptop I can specify booting with this kernel, and let it default to my latest LX kernel on the palmtop. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:26:14 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: Battery life - was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi There. I have DS/2MB+16MB Flash HP and i am using 1900mAh NiMh baterries. When i charge it to full (it takes a very long time) i can work more = than 20Hr(23 i remember) even when often accesses to Flash card :-). Martin With regards to NiMH battery charging, I'm getting 17-18 hours from my 1800mAh Monster Power cells (from CompUSA, using a 6mb/2x LX). As with Daniel, I charge overnight and the 6-8 hours is rarely enough to fill the cells. However, I also leave the LX plugged in at work where it's equally convenient (a rare benefit of a desk job besides clean hands). One item of interest to people with NiMH cells ... because I'm never plugged in long enough to complete a 16hr charge cycle (which usually results in a stall short of the max voltage), I've found that repeated stopping/resuming of charging (ie, plugging in at home and work) seems to force the charge to the max voltage more consistently than via a long charge ... as though the "jolt" of a resume kicks the cells past the stall plateau. OTOH, it may just be my imagination ... as with Daniel, my concern about "topping off" the NiMH's has diminished, since my daily routine always takes me to a charger. - Longden > Well, I don't care much of the charging cycles. I simply plug in the = AC > adapter over night, so it gets charged for about 6-8 hours. That > doesn't fill the batteries entirely, and I don't deplete them each day > entirely. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:45:12 -0700 Reply-To: j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vander Stel Subject: Re: HPLX-L Digest - 13 Jul 2002 to 14 Jul 2002 (#2002-219) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Radek Svagr Subject: Re: antivirus? >On my 200lx I am using Scan for DOS version 4.14.0. Virus database from >April 2002 (still supported). Just curious. Is "Scan for DOS" still available for download from somewhere? If not, is it shareware or is it freeware now, and therefore distributable? Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:51:45 -0700 Reply-To: j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vander Stel Subject: Re: antivirus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry. I just noticed that I forgot to edit the subject line of my last post. Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:06:21 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Battery life - was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vagner Martin wrote: > One item of interest to people with NiMH cells ... > because I'm never plugged in long enough to complete a > 16hr charge cycle (which usually results in a stall > short of the max voltage), I've found that repeated > stopping/resuming of charging (ie, plugging in at home > and work) seems to force the charge to the max voltage > more consistently than via a long charge ... as though > the "jolt" of a resume kicks the cells past the stall > plateau. The important thing about NiCd and NiMH ist that their voltage is highly temperature dependent. So after a pause to let them cool off, it will naturally be higher than before. For this reason alone voltage on its own is just about meaningless for these cells. The thing to watch out for to stop charging is a drop in voltage, which shows you that the energy is beginning to be transferred to heat instead of charge, i.e. the unit is full. ABC's stall is at best only second best as a criterion, though looking at the graphs the AD converter seems not to be good enaugh to do any better. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:41:31 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I know many list members are Americans and probably some of you use Yahoo! It is probably worthy to know that Yahoo! has signed to a pact, created by communist govt. to be able to maintain operation in mainland Red China. What they signed directly contradicts Amendment One on Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Religion. "Those who sign the pledge must refrain from "producing, posting or disseminating pernicious information that may jeopardize state security and disrupt social stability." The prohibition also covers information that breaks laws and spreads "superstition and obscenity." Members must remove material deemed offensive or face expulsion from the group. Signers also pledge to monitor content of foreign-based Web sites and block those containing unspecified harmful information. The pledge conforms closely to government policies making Internet service providers responsible for content posted on Web sites they host. It's a strategy to give the Internet enough room to blossom while keeping operators on notice not to push the envelope politically." I wonder if you trust their US operations, if they do this overseas? What some companies do for profit is simply amazing! Although it is still not nearly as bad as IBM was, when selling tabulating machines to the Nazis. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:34:13 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:30:25 -0700, you wrote: >I'm going to respond to several messages in one. > >> don't read C well and could very well be wrong). Do you know >> if drivers can be written is assembly instead of C? It would >> be really nice to not have that C overhead and bloat. > >A lot of the drivers I've looked at use C, but they call a lot >of assembly routines. Yeah- I've noticed some of the assembly uses a C wrapper. I also found straight (or as straight as c modified assembly is) assembly in files with the extension ending with .s So I think I can write a driver in assembly use a minimum of C and end the file name in .s and it should compile in just fine. > > >> I think it might be because Minix expects to read and write >> from a fat structure and the C drive on the LX is memory >> mapped. I'm hoping a flash card will have more luck with >> those if it is seen as an I/O device. > >I tried this in the past. I used Dubs int13 driver and various >disk drivers compiled into the kernel. None of them worked. Most >I didn't expect to, but the dosdsk driver I thought had a >chance, but the Dubs driver only has a few int13 functions and >apparently not the necessary ones. Not saying this approach >won't work, but I didn't get it. > I'm pretty sure I know why it won't work with the XT Minix driver which is disk controller dependant but it is odd it didn't work with other drivers unless the typicla disk driver uses some form of controller inately which the 200LX simply doesn't have. Maybe the best way to go is a disk driver which simply makes INT13 calls? I think Dubses int13 routine should be enough to at least see the disk and be able to read and write from it. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to boot from it. Of course a person could always forget Dubes bios extension and build a low level INT13 service routine into Minix that answers all INT13 calls. Whatever is easiest. Hmm...does anyone have the pcmcia info on the pcmcia controller and card services HP used to send if you had the SDK and asked for it? > >> Have you been taking out the unessentials like the sound >> blaster driver and 386 and protected mode stuff? Sounds like >> your doing alot. > >Yes. Most of the non-essentials weren't included in Macks >compile of the kernel. I took out a few more, and have tried >tweaking the number of processes, and buffer sizes. There are >some processes, like the printer and floppy, that even if >they are disabled in the config file they still show up. I'm >looking at how to get rid of them too. I've been thinking it would be nice to strip everything non essential including stripping out non essential source to make the total package as small as possible yet still keep the open source and still be able to recompile. Or has Mack done this already? I noticed he made a lot of differant builds of differant sizes. > > >> Hmm..there is a lib directory which does have files in it. I >> donno if those are library files. They are in binary. The >> Makefile in the kernel directory doesn't seem to use library >> files. But I'm not sure how a Makefile works. There does >> seem to be header files missing out of the Minix directory. > >There are header files in the kernel source directory as well as >/usr/include. Yes but one file which keeps showing up as a include file in kernel source is . Can't find it anywhere. The only thing in the minix directory in the build I have (minix3) is 2.0.2r6 and 2.0.2r8. > >You also asked which driver was used for dosminix. That's >dosfile.c. Thanks. > >Mike > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:25:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel > Hmm..there is a lib directory which does have files in it. I donno if > those are library files. They are in binary. The Makefile in the > kernel directory doesn't seem to use library files. But I'm not sure > how a Makefile works. There does seem to be header files missing out > of the Minix directory. Keep in mind that I know very little about minix and my unix (xenix) knowlege is about 15 years out of date. So most of this is from what I know about make in other operating systems. A makefile usually has the names of the source and object files to be compiled and the command lines to compile and link them. It checks their dates and times and if a source file is more recent than it's corresponding object file, it recompiles it. If not it doesn't recompile that particular file, knowing that it's up-to-date, and just uses the object file in the link process. Libary files usually aren't mentioned in makefiles, except for special library files. The linker uses a system variable to locate them. Sometimes a makefile will change the path to the library files or add to it in order to use different or additional libraries, but, except for that, there's no reference in the makefile to library files. I don't know what you mean about a header file. You didn't describe what's happening. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:28:50 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Eduardo Seudsnimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Seudsnimo" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > It's hard to get stuff into the linux drive. Try this: > > Find if minix has uuencode/decode. If it does, you can > uuencode the binary, open vi in minix and paste the file > in. You can find uuencoder in the cygwin unix tools for > windows (A great thing to have on a windows box). I thought of that but it's cumbersome and I'm hoping for a more general solution. I'll probably want to put other things into minix as well. Not that I'm likely to do much with it, but with all this interest I decided to play with it a little. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:34:57 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Michael Kopplin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > Actually I have been able to use DOSDIR, DOSREAD, and DOSWRITE > if I run the distribution on a desktop or laptop. You would have > to compile in one of the normal disk drivers. For example, if I > set ENABLE_BIOS_WINI and recompile the kernel I can then access > the C: drive on my omnibook 430. (Trying the A: drive locks it > up tight by the way.) > > On the laptop I can specify booting with this kernel, and let it > default to my latest LX kernel on the palmtop. Thanks. I'll give that a try. I do have uuencode and uudecode but I'd like a cleaner solution. How do you specify which kernal to boot? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:03:02 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Battery life - was Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D32908D.297A4699@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/15/02 +0200, Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De wrote: >The important thing about NiCd and NiMH ist that their voltage is highly >temperature dependent. So after a pause to let them cool off, it will >naturally be higher than before. Except that there is another process that happens at the same time. The voltages of batteries can be pushed up way up during the charging. So people see voltages of a pair of 1.3 V batteries go to 2.95V or even higher. They (the people) seem to be happier when they get higher voltages, for some odd competitive (or macho male?) reasons Then, when they take the battery off the current (and it begins to cool down as you observe correctly!), the voltage drops faster than it tends to rise with the cooling off, and so we see a fairly fast decline of voltage to the normal operating range of the batteries. I have not measured these things scientifically (No time for this in my life! My socks still need to be sorted alphabetically by color! ) but my impression from many-many charging cycles with ABC/LX is that the batteries will spend maybe 5-10 minutes at the peak voltages, taking that amount of time to decline from 2.98V to 2.60V or so. IOW - you are right that voltages are not really the best thing to use to measure. How much time the battery will take to go from 2.60V to 2.40V is much more interesting because that is where you get most of the service time on the battery anyway. Pursuing a higher peak is plain dumb and will damage the battery. >For this reason alone voltage on its own is just about meaningless for >these cells. Not totally meaningless, but nearly meaningless at the extreme charging end. Whether you push the batteries to 2.95V or 2.98V, or 3.02V - I agree, it is meaningless and a waste of time to discuss. But voltage becomes a reasonable measure of the performance of the battery at its regular normal operating range. That is where it becomes useful to look at. That is what ABC/LX does BEST. >The thing to watch out for to stop charging is a drop in voltage, which >shows you that the energy is beginning to be transferred to heat instead >of charge, i.e. the unit is full. I agree here very much. This is what we programmed in ABC/LX - stop charging when the voltage drops. >ABC's stall is at best only second best as a criterion, though looking at >the graphs the AD converter seems not to be good enaugh to do any better. I don't think I understand this sentence - what would be first-best criterion - temp? I agree, but - Is it available on the Palmtop programmatically? Care to rephrase? ABC/LX's stall is the best attempt we have to stop charging even BEFORE we detect that the voltage drops. We try to catch the curve as it flattens out, presumably to eventually begin to drop, and stop right before it begins the drop. Since the voltage is the ONLY thing we can measure in the Palmtop programmatically, it is the BEST thing we can measure. And the merits of the measurement are high at regular operating ranges, and at extremes, the DIRECTION, especially DOWN is of high merit - and we use exactly that. I agree with what you say, just not with the characterization of ABC/LX as not doing the best job it can with what it has. Temp would add A LOT, but it is not available. So we make do with what we DO have and make the best of it. Results show that it is a reliable program that helped TENS OF THOUSANDS of Palmtoppers to keep their batteries charged without worries. The group of anal-retentive Palmtoppers who glorify an additional minute per charge cycle are wasting their time, but that is another subject, and I am not a psychoanalyst ... Besides, I hear my name being called from my sock drawer - they want to be organized by color name! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:46:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. Comments: To: Feher Tamas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feher Tamas" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:41 AM Subject: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. > Hello all, > > I know many list members are Americans and probably some of you use Yahoo! > > It is probably worthy to know that Yahoo! has signed to a pact, created by > communist govt. to be able to maintain operation in mainland Red China. > > What they signed directly contradicts Amendment One on Freedom of Expression and > Freedom of Religion. > > "Those who sign the pledge must refrain from "producing, posting or > disseminating pernicious information that may jeopardize state security and > disrupt social stability." The prohibition also covers information that breaks > laws and spreads "superstition and obscenity." Members must remove material > deemed offensive or face expulsion from the group. > Signers also pledge to monitor content of foreign-based Web sites and block > those containing unspecified harmful information. > The pledge conforms closely to government policies making Internet service > providers responsible for content posted on Web sites they host. It's a strategy > to give the Internet enough room to blossom while keeping operators on notice > not to push the envelope politically." > tory?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnationworld%2Dheadlines> I have mixed feelings about this sort of thing. I realize this country often deals with China on the principle that if we don't deal with them we can't influence them. I agree with that and I do want to see us influence them. But I find myself wondering if they might influence us more. I doubt that because Yahoo agreed to this that it means that they do or wish to do the same thing in the USA. But the reason we have freedom of speech isn't the first amendment. It's that we're used to insisting on it. We could amend the amendment but we won't because we believe in it. Any weakening of our belief in it is very dangerous. Let's hope that the Yahoo people who signed this agreement had their fingers crossed. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:06:52 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: <002701c22c04$8131a180$1d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > > Actually I have been able to use DOSDIR, DOSREAD, and DOSWRITE > > if I run the distribution on a desktop or laptop. You would have > > to compile in one of the normal disk drivers. For example, if I > > set ENABLE_BIOS_WINI and recompile the kernel I can then access > > the C: drive on my omnibook 430. (Trying the A: drive locks it > > up tight by the way.) > > > > On the laptop I can specify booting with this kernel, and let it > > default to my latest LX kernel on the palmtop. > > Thanks. I'll give that a try. I do have uuencode and uudecode but > I'd like a cleaner solution. > > How do you specify which kernal to boot? After you build a new kernel you need to move it to the /minix directory. IIRC, minix will automatically boot the most recent kernel placed here. You can use 'touch filename' to pick a default. To choose a kernel at boot time, instead of pressing '=' to boot, press the esc key and you are at the monitor prompt. You can type help for a list of commands. Set the kernel to boot from by typing 'image = /minix/filename'. If you forget what your kernel was called you can do 'ls /minix' and it will list the files. After you specify the image, just type 'boot'. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:31:09 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I've been thinking it would be nice to strip everything non essential > including stripping out non essential source to make the total package > as small as possible yet still keep the open source and still be able > to recompile. Or has Mack done this already? I noticed he made a lot > of differant builds of differant sizes. The different sizes was mostly me when someone requested one that would fit their smaller flash cards. The smaller ones had less free space and various deletions of source code, commands, man pages etc. I should probably get rid of those since they are all based on Mack's earlier release, not the last one. As for stripping things out, one person's non essential may be anothers killer app. I think if there is an 'official' distribution, it should remain complete, and the user can trim as desired. As for the source, I think most of Mack's modifications to the kernel were such that they would only be used if running on the palmtop, i.e. if HP200 do this else do that. I supposed this adds to kernel bloat, but it also makes it possible to take the flash card out of my lx, pop it in a laptop and recompile the kernel in a few minutes, rather than the ages it takes on the lx. > >There are header files in the kernel source directory as well as > >/usr/include. > > Yes but one file which keeps showing up as a include file in kernel > source is . Can't find it anywhere. The only thing in > the minix directory in the build I have (minix3) is 2.0.2r6 and > 2.0.2r8. That's a relative path. You'll find it at /usr/include/minix/config.h. The two files you mention are kernels. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:46:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List Comments: To: Feher Tamas From: Barry Subject: Re: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feher Tamas" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:41 AM Subject: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. > Hello all, > > I know many list members are Americans and probably some of you use Yahoo! > > It is probably worthy to know that Yahoo! has signed to a pact, created by > communist govt. to be able to maintain operation in mainland Red China. > > What they signed directly contradicts Amendment One on Freedom of Expression and > Freedom of Religion. > > "Those who sign the pledge must refrain from "producing, posting or > disseminating pernicious information that may jeopardize state security and > disrupt social stability." The prohibition also covers information that breaks > laws and spreads "superstition and obscenity." Members must remove material > deemed offensive or face expulsion from the group. > Signers also pledge to monitor content of foreign-based Web sites and block > those containing unspecified harmful information. > The pledge conforms closely to government policies making Internet service > providers responsible for content posted on Web sites they host. It's a strategy > to give the Internet enough room to blossom while keeping operators on notice > not to push the envelope politically." > tory?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnationworld%2Dheadlines> I have mixed feelings about this sort of thing. I realize this country often deals with China on the principle that if we don't deal with them we can't influence them. I agree with that and I do want to see us influence them. But I find myself wondering if they might influence us more. I doubt that because Yahoo agreed to this that it means that they do or wish to do the same thing in the USA. But the reason we have freedom of speech isn't the first amendment. It's that we're used to insisting on it. We could amend the amendment but we won't because we believe in it. Any weakening of our belief in it is very dangerous. Let's hope that the Yahoo people who signed this agreement had their fingers crossed. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:34:57 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List Comments: To: Michael Kopplin From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > Actually I have been able to use DOSDIR, DOSREAD, and DOSWRITE > if I run the distribution on a desktop or laptop. You would have > to compile in one of the normal disk drivers. For example, if I > set ENABLE_BIOS_WINI and recompile the kernel I can then access > the C: drive on my omnibook 430. (Trying the A: drive locks it > up tight by the way.) > > On the laptop I can specify booting with this kernel, and let it > default to my latest LX kernel on the palmtop. Thanks. I'll give that a try. I do have uuencode and uudecode but I'd like a cleaner solution. How do you specify which kernal to boot? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:42:06 -0600 Reply-To: jaevans@codenet.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John_Evans Subject: Re: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Boy, I hope Red China has better luck getting any kind of response out of yahoo - they are the most non-communicative folks I have ever attempted to deal with. john ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:42:30 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: minix on the 200lx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of minix questions. I hope that's ok on this list. Is there any way to access the screen? Either a graphics library of some sort or can I access it within a program by address? If the latter, is it possible to get into graphics mode from within minix without directly accessing the graphics controller? Or can I use int 10h? I can do it writing to hardware and still probably run it in a VGA computer but if I do it on a VGA computer I can't run it on the LX. The VGA computer I'm thinking of is a laptop with a fixed 640x480 screen and 320x200 only uses part of the screen. If I run it on a 386+ I might not be able to access the ports or screen even though I might be able to in the LX. Is that true? Does it run in protected mode on the 386 or better? Is there a way to get to the hardware from protected mode? I put minix on my single speed 200lx some time ago to check it out and I remember it was slow and I don't remember how slow, so I might find that this doesn't interest me when I try it again. But right now I'm having fun thinking about it and toying with it on my desktop. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:05:36 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Battery life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > >ABC's stall is at best only second best as a criterion, though looking at > >the graphs the AD converter seems not to be good enaugh to do any better. > > I don't think I understand this sentence - what would be first-best > criterion - temp? I agree, but - Is it available on the Palmtop > programmatically? Care to rephrase? Rechargeable cells have a *negative* temperture coefficient (I stress that, because from the unqoted part of your post I am not sure you had appreciated that), so when they get warm, voltage drops. During charging they tend be keep to slightly above ambient with the voltage rising as they get filled. When they are full, the current must go somewhere and is converted to heat. Then the voltage begins to drop. All good chargers use this drop as the main criterion to switch off - but they need to sense a drop of 0.5 % to be any good. As far as I can make out, the HP's AD is not good enaugh for that by a margin (it may be at a higher current with resulting sharper drop - am looking forward to that). So within the limitations being content with stall and not insisting on a drop which the AD will overlook is a good choice. But my 900 mAh NiMH to tend to stay at a lower than the maximum level for up to three hours, which meand I need to maintain the highest at least that long even if and when a drop is detectable after, say, one hour. This means two hours or 200 mAh or 22 % overcharge - not good! So if and when the higher current allows to detect the drop quickly and reliably, would you be prepared to modify ABC and accept money for the new and improved version? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:56:15 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Battery life In-Reply-To: <3D32E4C0.1C30FEF@NexGo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Axel, I replied OFF LIST to your message. I am having severe problems understanding what you mean and I wrote to you in private where my problems are... But no need to burden the list with that.. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:28:35 -0700 Reply-To: Rick Kenneally Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Kenneally Subject: Database migration from 200LX to Pocket PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to pass along the results of a little research. I'm a new Pocket PC owner who is converting from an HP200LX after 9 years of heavy use. One of the best (and for me, most used) features of the HP200LX is HP's beautifully-designed custom database program. Over the years I created a dozen different databases for various household uses, hobbies, work, etc. The need to sync with my company's MS Outlook system finally drove me to switch to a modern PDA, and I selected the Toshiba e310. Then the quest for a replacement program for all those databases began. I've been through trials of several, and while all have their strengths, the clear winner for my purposes is SprintDB Pro from KaioneSoft: http://www.kaione.com/ It is somewhat like MS Access, but with fewer features so it is less complicated. The GUI is quick and responsive. It allows you to create several different views or queries against a single data file - something I do often. When you enter the program, it presents a "favorites" screen where you can keep forms, queries and forms. This, like the old HP200LX database program, minimizes the number of taps needed to navigate to the information you want. Finally, exporting data from my old databases (to .CSV format using GDBDUMP) and importing to SprintDB Pro was a snap. I looked at abcDB, HanDBase, Virtual CE, and several others. Other products had more graphics features, fancier forms design, etc. But SprintDB Pro had the best combination of simplicity and productivity for my needs. It was the package that felt most comfortable to a long-time user of the HP200LX databases. I hope this might help anyone else who may be making similar decisions/migrations. Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:46:00 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: minix on the 200lx Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <005501c22c0d$ed5eb880$1d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:42:30 -0500, you wrote: >I have a couple of minix questions. I hope that's ok on this list. =46ine by me:-) since Minix is run on the LX. Its also pretty cool you can run it on a desktop:-). > >Is there any way to access the screen? Either a graphics library >of some sort or can I access it within a program by address? If >the latter, is it possible to get into graphics mode from within >minix without directly accessing the graphics controller? Or can I >use int 10h? I can do it writing to hardware and still probably >run it in a VGA computer but if I do it on a VGA computer I can't >run it on the LX. The VGA computer I'm thinking of is a laptop >with a fixed 640x480 screen and 320x200 only uses part of the >screen. Umm..I'm guessing but I think int 10h functions will work. Mack seems to have fixed up the keyboard and screen very well at least in the last version- Minix3. I had one problem where I was ejected out of yap. I don't know whether it was because I hit the wrong sequence of keys or what but it stopped accessing the drive and I had to do a emergency shutdown. That has been the only problem. I haven't been able to find any libraries for it- although I would think x86 open source Linux code might work as long as it was translated from 32 to 16 bit. Hmmm...OpenOffice for Minix?:) > >If I run it on a 386+ I might not be able to access the ports or >screen even though I might be able to in the LX. Is that true? >Does it run in protected mode on the 386 or better? Is there a way >to get to the hardware from protected mode? I ran it on my Libretto to checki it out. It came up in 16 bit protected mode and accessed 16 meg out of 32 meg of ram. When I ran set it identified my hardware properly. This was Miix3. I didn't try to do much with it but yap worked and it listed files fine. I think you'll have good luck accessing the hardware on a at as compared to an xt. I am not sure what the differance would be accessing the hardware in protected mode as compared to real mode but would think it would work fine as per techniques used in real mode although if you use 32 bit registers of course that won't translate to real mode (which I'm sure you already know:-)). Actually it was very snappy on my Libretto with its 120 MHz processor and 32 meg of ram. I've been thinking of a Unix-like OS for it- maybe I'll stick with Minix. I'm not too concferned about networking at this point- although I would like to a least be able to access my email with it. Security is much better with Unix though than with windows. By the way- I booted to a Dos prompt and ran Minix- don't know how well it'll work in a dos box. > >I put minix on my single speed 200lx some time ago to check it out >and I remember it was slow and I don't remember how slow, so I >might find that this doesn't interest me when I try it again. But >right now I'm having fun thinking about it and toying with it on my >desktop. I wouldn't call it a speed monster but it seemed to run pretty fasst on my doublespeed LX running from either a flash card or internal ram. (On the Libretto it was instantanous.) DESCRIBE takes a couple seconds to show all the device drivers and so does boot and shutdown but it seems to process man files relitively quickly. Certainly it didn't seem any slower than dos (or maybe a hair) and I wouldn't be surprized if it can be sped up a little for the LX. > >Barry Minix is a really cool OS:). Considering how bloated Linux is getting its nice to have a workable Unix-like OS even if it is only 16 bit. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:50:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Database migration from 200LX to Pocket PC Comments: To: Rick Kenneally In-Reply-To: <20020715192835.69225.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is pocketpc and outlook:)))? Just kidding..nice tip. On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:28:35 -0700, you wrote: >Just wanted to pass along the results of a little research. I'm a new >Pocket PC owner who is converting from an HP200LX after 9 years of >heavy use. One of the best (and for me, most used) features of the >HP200LX is HP's beautifully-designed custom database program. Over the >years I created a dozen different databases for various household uses, >hobbies, work, etc. > >The need to sync with my company's MS Outlook system finally drove me >to switch to a modern PDA, and I selected the Toshiba e310. Then the >quest for a replacement program for all those databases began. > >I've been through trials of several, and while all have their >strengths, the clear winner for my purposes is SprintDB Pro from >KaioneSoft: > >http://www.kaione.com/ > >It is somewhat like MS Access, but with fewer features so it is less >complicated. The GUI is quick and responsive. It allows you to create >several different views or queries against a single data file - >something I do often. When you enter the program, it presents a >"favorites" screen where you can keep forms, queries and forms. This, >like the old HP200LX database program, minimizes the number of taps >needed to navigate to the information you want. Finally, exporting data >from my old databases (to .CSV format using GDBDUMP) and importing to >SprintDB Pro was a snap. > >I looked at abcDB, HanDBase, Virtual CE, and several others. Other >products had more graphics features, fancier forms design, etc. But >SprintDB Pro had the best combination of simplicity and productivity >for my needs. It was the package that felt most comfortable to a >long-time user of the HP200LX databases. > >I hope this might help anyone else who may be making similar >decisions/migrations. > >Rick > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Battery life Comments: To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De In-Reply-To: <3D32E4C0.1C30FEF@NexGo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:05:36 +0200, you wrote: >Avi Meshar wrote: >> >ABC's stall is at best only second best as a criterion, though = looking at >> >the graphs the AD converter seems not to be good enaugh to do any = better. >> >> I don't think I understand this sentence - what would be first-best >> criterion - temp? I agree, but - Is it available on the Palmtop >> programmatically? Care to rephrase? > >Rechargeable cells have a *negative* temperture coefficient (I stress = that, >because from the unqoted part of your post I am not sure you had >appreciated that), so when they get warm, voltage drops. During charging >they tend be keep to slightly above ambient with the voltage rising as = they >get filled. When they are full, the current must go somewhere and is >converted to heat. Then the voltage begins to drop. All good chargers = use >this drop as the main criterion to switch off - but they need to sense a >drop of 0.5 % to be any good. As far as I can make out, the HP's AD is = not >good enaugh for that by a margin (it may be at a higher current with >resulting sharper drop - am looking forward to that). So within the The A/D needs about a C5 charge to accurately measure the dV. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:59:19 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:31:09 -0700, you wrote: >> I've been thinking it would be nice to strip everything non essential >> including stripping out non essential source to make the total package >> as small as possible yet still keep the open source and still be able >> to recompile. Or has Mack done this already? I noticed he made a lot >> of differant builds of differant sizes. > >The different sizes was mostly me when someone requested one >that would fit their smaller flash cards. The smaller ones had >less free space and various deletions of source code, commands, >man pages etc. I should probably get rid of those since they are >all based on Mack's earlier release, not the last one. I see. > >As for stripping things out, one person's non essential may be >anothers killer app. I think if there is an 'official' >distribution, it should remain complete, and the user can trim >as desired. As for the source, I think most of Mack's >modifications to the kernel were such that they would only be >used if running on the palmtop, i.e. if HP200 do this else do >that. I supposed this adds to kernel bloat, but it also makes it >possible to take the flash card out of my lx, pop it in a laptop >and recompile the kernel in a few minutes, rather than the ages >it takes on the lx. Good point. > > >> >There are header files in the kernel source directory as well as >> >/usr/include. >> >> Yes but one file which keeps showing up as a include file in kernel >> source is . Can't find it anywhere. The only thing in >> the minix directory in the build I have (minix3) is 2.0.2r6 and >> 2.0.2r8. > >That's a relative path. You'll find it at >/usr/include/minix/config.h. The two files you mention are >kernels. Thanks- all the header files I couldn't find were in there. > >Mike > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:59:47 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Battery life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > The A/D needs about a C5 charge to accurately measure the dV. My home charging station works reliably at less than that, but the literatrure insists on 0.5 % for NiMH. The HP's resolution seems to be about 0.15 V, which at 2.8 V would be near that at first glance, but at least with mine the last bit is worthless, which makes resolution 1 % and reliable accuracy nearer 2%. Now with your 450 mA and my 900 mAh cells the drop ought to be much more pronounced, but as far as I am aware no HP charging program so far detects drop. Without that, your current would be certain to destroy my cells. Should anyone be able and willing to write something: The peak voltage and the following drop must each be maintained for at least a minute. My unit is prone to detecting short spikes for up to 40 seconds, both up and down, possibly due to the Nokia in the slot. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:09:51 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001401c22c03$2ecff5a0$1d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:25:32 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:04 PM >Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel > > >> Hmm..there is a lib directory which does have files in it. I >donno if >> those are library files. They are in binary. The Makefile in the >> kernel directory doesn't seem to use library files. But I'm not >sure >> how a Makefile works. There does seem to be header files missing >out >> of the Minix directory. > >Keep in mind that I know very little about minix and my unix >(xenix) knowlege is about 15 years out of date. So most of this is >from what I know about make in other operating systems. > >A makefile usually has the names of the source and object files to >be compiled and the command lines to compile and link them. It >checks their dates and times and if a source file is more recent >than it's corresponding object file, it recompiles it. If not it >doesn't recompile that particular file, knowing that it's >up-to-date, and just uses the object file in the link process. > >Libary files usually aren't mentioned in makefiles, except for >special library files. The linker uses a system variable to locate >them. Sometimes a makefile will change the path to the library >files or add to it in order to use different or additional >libraries, but, except for that, there's no reference in the >makefile to library files. Thanks Barry..I saved this:). Why does it even make obj files though? Is it for speed and ease of re-compilation? > >I don't know what you mean about a header file. You didn't >describe what's happening. A lot of the source included some header files which I couldn't find. I thought they were missing but Mike pointed out the directory they were located in. Heh- I think the first program a person should write for minix is a simple file manager with a gui like the 200LX file mangaer. It is so much easier to see the directory structure and locate files with one. > >Barry > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:14:14 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <008901c22bad$a0dbef60$970d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you do a dosread and doswrite and read an write the file into the Minix directory? On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:13:10 -0500, you wrote: >I have minix in a dos window in Win 98 and I just downloaded a >debugger. Does anyone know how I can get that into the minix file? > >Barry > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:17:10 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten me? Thanks, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:40:02 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Battery life Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D3329B3.E8C96F73@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:59:47 +0200, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >> The A/D needs about a C5 charge to accurately measure the dV. > >Should anyone be able and willing to write something: The peak voltage >and the following drop must each be maintained for at least a minute. My >unit is prone to detecting short spikes for up to 40 seconds, both up >and down, possibly due to the Nokia in the slot. > >Axel One of these days- after the charging current mod is finished I'll add checking for a dV drop to charge.com as an option. The charging mod puts out enough current to see the dV drop with 1800 mAh batteries probably with 2000 mAh too. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <11b.1395253f.2a6487c6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think you can. You can suppress some stuff by6 adding 'echo off' to the top of the autoexec.bat bt tsrs will always write whatever they want to the screen unless the tsr allows it to be suppressed. On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:17:10 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, > >I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the = various >commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please = enlighten >me? > >Thanks, >Mike > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:00:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Battery life In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:40:02 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:59:47 +0200, you wrote: > >>John Musielewicz wrote: >>> The A/D needs about a C5 charge to accurately measure the dV. >> >>Should anyone be able and willing to write something: The peak voltage >>and the following drop must each be maintained for at least a minute. = My >>unit is prone to detecting short spikes for up to 40 seconds, both up >>and down, possibly due to the Nokia in the slot. >> >>Axel > >One of these days- after the charging current mod is finished I'll add >checking for a dV drop to charge.com as an option. The charging mod >puts out enough current to see the dV drop with 1800 mAh batteries >probably with 2000 mAh too. > >John As a side note- a person can always use peak voltage in the interm tp properly stop charging. Since youy only need to fast charge for a few hours stopping at a peak then trickle charging for 5-6 hours wilol filly charge the battery John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:53:28 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: HDM: Nested menus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm starting to organize my LX games and am using HDM to provide a semi-gui appmgr-like interface. Is it possible to have nested HDM menus? I'd like to make a selection in HDM and have it call another HDM memu and when I eventually quit that menu I'd return to the original one. Anyone doing this? Tips? Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:00:06 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Yahoo! and the little red book of comrade Mao MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I object to Yahoo! (or anyone, for that matter) making such (or any) agreements with Communists, the First Amendment applies to laws that Congress makes, not to what a company does in the course of business, so it cannot be a violation of the First Amendment -- although it can be a violation of the "principles" of the First Amendment, about which we can do little. However, these days, if we tried to avoid every company or individual that does something evil, unethical, immoral or dishonest, we would have to sequester ourselves from everyone and everything, which doesn't make practical sense. It matters more to God (if you believe in that sort of thing) what WE as individuals do, rather than what an organization does. Those who to do things that are unethical, immoral or dishonest, will be held accountable in the end. Richard Smith P.S.: Just my opinion. If you don't like it, good, express your own. ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org Legislation enacted in March 2002 applies to unsolicited commercial e-mail and unsolicited sexually explicit e-mail that is sent through a provider in Utah or to a resident of Utah. Such messages must disclose the sender's name and physical address, and the point of origin of the message; and must include a label ("ADV:" or "ADV:ADULT") at the beginning of the subject line, along with opt-out instructions. The law also prohibits the falsification of routing information in such messages. Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Part I, 227, any and all unsolicited personal e-mail sent to the above address(s) is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $50.00 USD. Emailing denotes acceptance of these terms. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:07:06 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike; Try placing a "> NUL" (minus the quotation marks, of course) after each line of the AUTOEXEC.BAT. For example: @ECHO OFF C:\UTILS\LXPRO > NUL It can be upper or lower case, it doesn't matter. Hope this helps. (I chose LXPRO, because it's such cool program that anyone who isn't using it, should be!) Regards, Richard Smith Mike Edwards wrote: > > Hi, > > I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various > commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten > me? > > Thanks, > Mike > -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org Legislation enacted in March 2002 applies to unsolicited commercial e-mail and unsolicited sexually explicit e-mail that is sent through a provider in Utah or to a resident of Utah. Such messages must disclose the sender's name and physical address, and the point of origin of the message; and must include a label ("ADV:" or "ADV:ADULT") at the beginning of the subject line, along with opt-out instructions. The law also prohibits the falsification of routing information in such messages. Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Part I, 227, any and all unsolicited personal e-mail sent to the above address(s) is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $50.00 USD. Emailing denotes acceptance of these terms. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:38:52 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <11b.1395253f.2a6487c6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from >>the various >>commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody >>please enlighten >>me? start each line with a @ to suppress the command line from being shown while the batch file is running and send all output from the command to null by adding > null to the end of each line i.e. @command > null ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:43:23 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <11b.1395253f.2a6487c6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed send the output of the commands to the nul device. Sometimes this will fail because the program may send the output directly to the screen. e.g. copy a b > nul Some stuff you can suppress by using ECHO OFF, which stops output from the batch file. Question: WhicH TSR sends stuff to the screen? At 7/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various >commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten >me? > >Thanks, >Mike > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:59:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Battery conditioning- for charge.com users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So far I have found two brands of batteries (out of two I have tested) receptive to battery conditioning and giving an excess of 26 hours of life at 1800 mAh capacity. One is the GP brand the other is Powerex which is made by Maha. The Maha seems a little better in that I get the life with a 440 meg flash card installed and used. This could be because I was undercharging the GPs:). The GPs could well exceed the Mahas if they are fully charged. The Maha does have a better self discharge rate though. The trick seems to be setting the rate and time such that a full fast charge at least equals the capacity of the battery and, of coursre, topping off the end of charge with a few hours of trickle to cool and give about a 10% overcharge. Since I am charging at 300 mA fast this equals a 10 hour charge from 2.3 volts at a 90/10 rate. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:17:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Thanks Barry..I saved this:). Why does it even make obj files though? Is it for speed and ease of re-compilation? I'm not sure I know one single overriding reason for object files. But I sure know a lot of reasons. If you don't have a lot of memory you can only compile small parts of a program at once. Compilers are memory hogs, normally. So if you write your program in modules, one source file is one module, it can compile the various modules and the linker can tie them together later into a single program. I suspect that in years past that was the main reason. I started programming in the late 60s and linkers and object files were used then and probably had been for years. Another reason for modules is modular programming. Sounds obvious but modular programming was the OOP of two decades ago. Write things in small re-usable modules and you save time by not having to write the some of same code in your next program. Small modules are also simpler to keep track of. And, even before the name "data hiding" was invented, they helped with data hiding. Now here comes my bias: I think for a good programmer this is a far (really far) superior way to program than OOP. The reason for OOP is they don't have to have such good programmers. Let's say you're compiling a really huge program. The compilation takes an hour. (When I was a kid a one hour compilation and linking was much to be desired). Then you see a little something you can make better with a couple of small code changes in that module over there. You make the change. Do you really want to spend another hour compiling all that other stuff when all you really did was change a single module? When you use makefiles make compares the object files (they're wonderful aren't they) with the source files and only compiles the one that's changed. Then the linker makes an executable (or loadable) file from them. I went to work for a company where 3 people were working in Clipper on a 286 and compiles took about 3 hours. I made make files for them and uses a faster linker (microsoft link instead of plink) and that reduced the average compile time to less than a minute. It's a great feeling to be everybody's hero on your first day! :) But that only worked because they were writing modular programs and had lots of object files. By the way, library files are just a convenient way to take a bunch of commonly used object files and tie them in a bundle to make them easy to handle. In fact, on most systems you can remove individual object files from library files and put other object files in them. That's a pretty incomplete answer. There are so many more reasons for object files. These are the ones that come to mind at the moment. Part of the reason your question is hard to answer is that object files are just one element in a larger system. In days past programmers had to learn that system intimately or they couldn't program. IDE's hide that from programmers today. So when they do need to know it, they're lost. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Edwards" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: supressing command output in bat files > Hi, > > I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various > commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten > me? As John said, put echo off at the top of the file. Also put a @ before echo off like this: @echo off @ causes echo to be off for just that line. Alternatively you can just put an at sign in front of each line where you don't want an echo. I often do this. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:19:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Peter A. Castro" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Peter A. Castro" Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > Good site, check this out: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html > > > It's like looking at concept cars. I wonder which ones will be real. I like the PDA, camera, phone one at the bottom. > > > Doesn't anyone make clamshell PDAs with a decent keyboard any more? Has anyone played with the Nokia 9290? It's a phone with a clamshell PDA. I've been eyeing it lately and wondered if anyone else has seen it. http://www.nokia.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > > Jacques Belin > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:44 PM > > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > > Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA > > > the 200LX. But if the keyboard is really that bad, my hope is gone. > > > > Don't forget some others points : > > (from http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html ) > > > > * Battery life: ~10 hr (backlight off) ; ~1 hr (backlight on) -- Peter A. Castro or "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:30:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001d01c22c55$cedc94c0$490d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:17:03 -0500, you wrote: >Another reason for modules is modular programming. Sounds obvious >but modular programming was the OOP of two decades ago. Write Object oriented programming. What is that- if you don't mind me asking? I have always used sectional even in a single code page and it is pretty powerful. I have heard of OOP and almost took a class on it once. How does that beat modular for ease of programming?=20 john ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:22:49 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: "Barry" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:17:03 -0500, you wrote: >Another reason for modules is modular programming. Sounds obvious >but modular programming was the OOP of two decades ago. Write Object oriented programming. What is that- if you don't mind me asking? I have always used sectional even in a single code page and it is pretty powerful. I have heard of OOP and almost took a class on it once. How does that beat modular for ease of programming? What is sectional? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:04:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001e01c229b1$174456a0$060d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:32:55 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:37 AM >Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. > > >> Interesting I have 5 meg of ems memory on my palmtop. That is >physical >> memory and the 186 seems to address it just fine. > >Expanded memory appears to the cpu within the 1 meg limit. Even >though there might be more than 1 meg of expanded memory. There's >a 64k segment (I forget where but in the first 1 meg) and the >expanded memory is mapped into that in 16k sections. Since there >is an mmu in the 200lx so it can access the ram disk(s) and that >mmu works pretty much like expanded memory in that it can switch >16k segments, software can use that to emulate expanded memory. Hmm, how about swapping memory to a disk drive in large chunks- about 500k or so? Slower than direct access and not so good for multitasking. > >It doesn't have to work like expanded memory. It can switch in a >bunch of memory and isn't restricted to switching it into a 64k >segment. That makes the ramdisks work. A direct memory access driver that allows programs to be run from ramdisks like the XIP driver on the 200LX? > >But it isn't extended memory. Extended memory is memory beyond the >1 meg limit that can be seen by the cpu. For that you need a 286 >or better. It sucks the 200LX doesn't have at least a 386. A 200LX with a 386 8 MHz clock and 16 meg of extended ram would be very fast. Add a cardbus slot plus usb and it would be a pretty effective little machine. It would even run on 2 AA batteries > >When I first started working on PCs the 286 was beginning to get >popular but the 8088 was still the one that sold best. We had >expanded memory cards that could be used on an 8088 computer if the >software supported it. Lotus and dBase and custom programs were >our main concerns then so expanded memory was useful. > >In the 286 computers we could add extended memory. For this the >cpu had to go into protected mode and that was slow since the 286 >can't come out of protected mode and had to reset itself under >program control to get back into real mode. So extended memory was >slower for a lot of things and the 286 could still use expanded >memory. But for certain applications that could stay in protected >mode, extended memory was far better. Paradox was an example of >this. There were others but I can't remember what now. > >Interesting enough, there's another mode for the 386 that wasn't >planned by intel but it jus sort of worked out that way. It has no >official mode but "real big mode" is one common term for it. You >go into protected mode and then come out of it but you don't change >the addressing. (I'm not a protected mode programmer so I forget >exactly what doesn't change). That lets you use the full memory of >the computer in a dos program. Dos has no problem with this mode. Yes I read about this. > >Microsoft decided this was the future and they began developing >what later became Dos 4 to take advantage of this. But they never >overcame the problem that if you were in that mode and another >program or TSR or anything tried to go into protected mode and then >back out, the system would likely crash, since it went back to >normal real mode and anything running depending on real big mode >wouldn't know it. Ewww... MS.=20 > >If they had solved that problem somewhow, it's entirely possible >that windows wouldn't have become popular when it did and Dos would >now be able to do everything windows does. And still be Dos. It would've been cooler if Minix had taken over the market:) > >Barry > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:06:52 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix on the 200LX. In-Reply-To: <002701c22c04$8131a180$1d0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > > Actually I have been able to use DOSDIR, DOSREAD, and DOSWRITE > > if I run the distribution on a desktop or laptop. You would have > > to compile in one of the normal disk drivers. For example, if I > > set ENABLE_BIOS_WINI and recompile the kernel I can then access > > the C: drive on my omnibook 430. (Trying the A: drive locks it > > up tight by the way.) > > > > On the laptop I can specify booting with this kernel, and let it > > default to my latest LX kernel on the palmtop. > > Thanks. I'll give that a try. I do have uuencode and uudecode but > I'd like a cleaner solution. > > How do you specify which kernal to boot? After you build a new kernel you need to move it to the /minix directory. IIRC, minix will automatically boot the most recent kernel placed here. You can use 'touch filename' to pick a default. To choose a kernel at boot time, instead of pressing '=' to boot, press the esc key and you are at the monitor prompt. You can type help for a list of commands. Set the kernel to boot from by typing 'image = /minix/filename'. If you forget what your kernel was called you can do 'ls /minix' and it will list the files. After you specify the image, just type 'boot'. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:52:03 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Minix pcmcia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I downloaded some open source Linux code for pcmcia support to get some ideas for Minix. It, of course, is riddled with Linux specifics but I think if I take out a lot of the pci and cardbus junk out of the core and port it it could work- at least for one type of controller like the toshiba in my libretto:). Other controllers can always be added later. I have been looking for info on the proprietary controller in the 200LX but haven't been able to find anything:(. Please, if anyone has information on that post it or email it to me!! It'd be pretty nigh impossible to write any kind of card or socket services for the 200LX hardware without it since they use specific calls to the controller.=20 Does HP still give away that info? Its been 4 years since the LX was discontinued so probably not. Any advice or help is very appreciated!! It'd be great to be able to use a netwoirk card to hook up Minix to a network!!! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:58:22 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: How do you make XTG easy to read? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit delete xtgold.cfg run xtg /zs press Alt+F10 configure the editor and others leave the 'color' section alone save and exit the default font is perfect for the LX you wrote: "Digging around and found my archived copies XTree Gold. Just running it (x.bat) leads to some hard-to-read menu items. Yes, I can invert the screen colors back and forth, but that's a headache. I looked for an "options" item that would let me display in "B&W" or whatever it took. How do folks here tackle that issue?" ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:41:08 -0700 Reply-To: Don Miller Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Miller Organization: JFK University Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files In-Reply-To: <200207160402.VAA29653@jfku.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sure you can, for most purposes - just redirect output to the "null device" for each command you want to be silent - for example: COPY SYSLOG.TXT SYSLOG.OLD >NUL DOSKEY /HISTORY /INSERT /BUFSIZE=1024 >NUL and if you really want silent execution, make the first two lines of the file: @ECHO OFF CLS The only place you may run into trouble would be if you are loading a TSR that NEEDS to write output to do whatever it does; you might make it invisible... the @ makes that line run silently, the ECHO OFF prevents it from printing each command in the file, and the CLS wipes anything on the screen already. Don Miller On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, it was written: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:04 -0500 > From: John Musielewicz > Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files > > I don't think you can. You can suppress some stuff by6 adding 'echo > off' to the top of the autoexec.bat bt tsrs will always write whatever > they want to the screen unless the tsr allows it to be suppressed. > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:17:10 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the > >various commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody > >please enlighten me? > > > >Thanks, > >Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:43:28 -0700 Reply-To: Don Miller Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Don Miller Organization: JFK University Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oh. Should have read further in the digest - I see somebody already posted this. To quote the famous Emily Latella on the old Saturday Night Live TV show, "Never Mind"... Don Miller On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Don Miller wrote: > Sure you can, for most purposes - just redirect output to the "null > device" for each command you want to be silent - for example: [snip] ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Russel Brooks wrote: > Is it possible to have nested HDM menus? I'd like to make a selection > in HDM and have it call another HDM memu and when I eventually quit > that menu I'd return to the original one. Anyone doing this? Tips? Yes, I do that. It's pretty straightforward: I create icons that have c:\bat\dm.exe (the HDM executable) in "Path + filename", and then in "Command tail" I have the name and path of each dat file. Like, for my Communications menu, I have c:\_dat\comm.dat. It works quite nicely. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:19:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 16.07.02 10:09 AM +0200 Hi friends, I just got the 200LX from Martin Vagner who began to construct a backlight. Now I have a few questions5 1. The voltage converter: Why is it called "inverter" by so many people? Are there any miniature comverters, e.g. the ones made by Mack, which I could buy? 2. The EL panel: Are all EL panels similar in voltage and current requirements, or are there differences? I ask because of the converter. If mine works, does that mean, also Mack's one would work? 3. The screen: There is a reflective layer and a polarization layer under the actual LCD. The Reflective layer is replaced by the EL. Does the pol. layer HAVE to be between EL and LDC, or can it be left out? It seems to darken the EL light and lower the contrast significantly if it is there. At least I observed the following: Where the EL panel and the pol layer are glued together very tightly, the screen appears darker than where they are seperated by little air bubbles. But since LCD just polarizes the light in one direction, I assume the pol. layer is needed, otherwise nothing can be seen on the screen, right? Where can I buy such a polarization foil cheaply to replace the one which is in the screen? 4. Removing the adhesive layers: How can it be done reliably? Didn't someone here suggest something tested and proved some weeks ago? Something with applying a solvent and removing the layer millimeter by millimeter? I'm just doing a little research, I definitely will NOT provide any servic to backlight your palmtops, even if I am successful with mine. But what about Radek's project of the Do It Yourself kit? Are you proceeding, Radek? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:54:08 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Battery life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > As a side note- a person can always use peak voltage in the > interm to properly stop charging. Yes but all I have read so far agrees that voltage as such does not mean anytrhing with NiCd and NiMH and depends on too many influences. Only voltage changes make much sense. Therefore I have disabled that criterion in ABC by setting it to a ridiculously high value (3.05 V). I have left the last fallback, i.e. maximum charge time, which in my case with 9h30 would actually be too short for totally depleted 900 mAh at 100 mA, but I start charging at 2.4 V or manually a bit above that. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:54:35 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all for the suggestions. Does anybody know of a rhyming dictionary for my hp200lx? Thanks, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:22:32 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Database migration from 200LX to Pocket PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Kenneally wrote: > One of the best (and for me, most used) features of the > HP200LX is HP's beautifully-designed custom database program. It is. If it were not for my 1st-BASE, which alone makes the Atari emulator worth the money, it'd be the best I know. There is one serious gripe though: Search, F4, takes ages and eons. Funny enaugh, "Teilliste" F6 is much faster in spite of it being incredibly more sophisticated and allowing very involved criteria. Just to see how much of the wait was hardware I loaded my 715 entry 135 kB (many notes) PHONE.PDB into the Volkov commander and did a F7 search. I had that string near the end of the file nearly instantly. As a simple search is the thing I do most often in my main database and want to do often in the calendar, this is a constant source of a bit of dissatisfaction. But as Avi tends to say, this 200 is the only 200 we're ever going to have, so between taking and leaving I'd take it any day above anything. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:01:42 -0500 Reply-To: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Novosad Subject: Re: OT: Win 2000 batch files. Curtis Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:04:36 -0700 Donald Collins wrote: > >For all you batch file enthusiasts. I've discovered that Win 2000 has made > >some significant changes that greatly enhance the use of batch files. > > Thanks for that. Does NT allow multi-line batches as well? My work > computer is NT, and I've noticed that sometimes in batch files, when > you see the command that [its] executing printed out, there's an > extraneous "1" in there sometimes, but I haven't figured out why. > Could it be an index into a multi-line For? I'll check it out. Just a WAG but that could be a left over from separating out Standard Output (1) from Sandard Error (2). I believe OS/2, Unix. and some alternative DOS command processors allow for this. > Also, I have an NT/2000/XP batch question that I can't find the answer > to. I want to pass a caret symbol (^) as part of a command-line > parameter to the batch. I can do it in DOS on the LX, but when NT or > XP substitutes my parameter for the %1, it leaves out the caret. > So how can I get it to keep the caret? Again, this works in DOS, but > not in NT or XP (nor I presume in 2000). I've tried backslashing it > and quoting it, with no luck. And where can I find this documented? Another WAG, as I don't boot W2k very often, but find W2k's "escape" character. As the caret is being eaten, try double carets. As M$ is not willing to document this kind of stuff I suspect Google is your friend. HTH Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:20:25 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Minix pcmcia > I have been looking for info on the proprietary controller in the > 200LX but haven't been able to find anything:(. Please, if anyone has > information on that post it or email it to me!! It'd be pretty nigh > impossible to write any kind of card or socket services for the 200LX > hardware without it since they use specific calls to the controller. That's all in the SDK documentation which Thaddeus sells with their CD Infobase. Given the kind of stuff you're doing, you should have this anyway. They've marked it down to $60 now. It has a LOT more than just the SDK. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:32:07 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: ; from doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:19:37PM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:19:37PM -0700, Peter A. Castro wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > > [...] > > Doesn't anyone make clamshell PDAs with a decent keyboard > > any more? > > Has anyone played with the Nokia 9290? It's a phone with > a clamshell PDA. I've been eyeing it lately and wondered > if anyone else has seen it. I own a 9210 (the 9290 for the rest of the world), but I don't think there are any mechanical differences, so here goes: The tactile feedback's not as good, but it's all right for me. What I really hate is the 8-way joypad -- I'm forever accidentally changing values in pulldown menus with it. Apps-wise...well, there's a reason Nokia calls it a "Communicator" and not a PDA. Web/WAP browser, SMS editor, contacts list, calendar, Pocket Word/Excel/PowerPoint equivalents all built-in. About the only advantages that the 92x0 has over my 200LX: [1] built-in cellphone [2] smaller size (same length and height, 2/3rds the width) [3] better screen (my LX's screen is now a sickly mess) But don't just take my word for it. Try it out for yourself. Who knows, you may like it (it's starting to grow on me, but perhaps it's because I can't afford to buy a Treo after what I spent on this thing 8-). - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:16:36 -0700 Reply-To: mike Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: mike Subject: Two new programs for minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought I would pre-announce a couple of programs I have written for minix on the LX. volts - display the main battery voltage. When running minix I was always concerned about what the battery level was. With this I can easily check without exiting to dos. Useful I think, but mostly I wrote this to prove some concepts which allowed me to write other utilities, such as dcat - doscat reads and writes files on dos drives This program will read a file from one of the DOS drives (A:, C: and D: tested) and write it to stdout. The output can be redirected to a file in the normal way, e.g. dcat c:\dir\filenamein > filenameout Writing to a dos drive uses stdin, e.g. dcat a:\filenameout < filenamein Ok, the reading dos part is still buggy, but I got that working last night. The writing dos part doesn't work yet, but only because I'm still writing that. I thought I would make a pre-announcement to fuel the recent interest in minix, and perhaps justify the recent flood of minix related messages to those who don't care : ) I'm also trying to work out a simple way to distribute the programs. When I have this, and the worst bugs out of the reading part of dcat, I'll make them available. Cheers, Mike Kopplin ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:55:55 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ian Butler writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Russel Brooks wrote: > > > Is it possible to have nested HDM menus? > Yes, I do that. Be careful. IIRC each "nest" of HDM stays in memory, limiting the amount of memory that you have for your game. Some large memory hogging games might not work -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:00:31 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? In-Reply-To: <200206161755.PNR05559@netmedia.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, David Becher wrote: > Be careful. IIRC each "nest" of HDM stays in memory, limiting the > amount of memory that you have for your game. Some large memory > hogging games might not work That is true. Each incidence of HDM takes up a little less than 4K. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:04:34 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:19:04 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > 1. The voltage converter: Why is it called "inverter" by so many > people? > Are there any miniature converters, e.g. the ones made by Mack, which I > could buy? Because it is converting DC to AC. Thus it is (sort of) "inverting" it. (I agree that "inverter" is not the best term for these devices.) Circuits that convert one DC voltage to another DC voltage are known as DC-to-DC converters, but they have an "inverter" inside of them, especially if they are used to convert a low DC voltage into a higher DC voltage.. > 3. The screen: There is a reflective layer and a polarization layer > under the actual LCD. The Reflective layer is replaced by the EL. Does > the pol. layer HAVE to be between EL and LDC, or can it be left out? It > seems to darken the EL light and lower the contrast significantly if it > is there. At least I observed the following: Where the EL panel and the > pol layer are glued together very tightly, the screen appears darker > than where they are seperated by little air bubbles. But since LCD just > polarizes the light in one direction, I assume the pol. layer is > needed, otherwise nothing can be seen on the screen, right? Yes. An LCD panel is noting more than a variable polarizer. You need an external polarizer to be able to "see" the polarization that forms the images on the LCD display. > Where can I buy such a polarization foil cheaply to replace the one > which is in the screen? There was a company called Edmund Scientific that sold such material and lots of other interesting optical and scientific toys. They recently changed their name. The new name may be "Scientifics" or some such silly name. A Web search under Edmund Scientific should turn up the new company. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:04:39 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Ebay buying out PayPal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > Anyone care to post opinions about the transaction, what it will do to > service quality of either other issues... Yes. I believe this could destroy the value of PayPal. When I had a problem with fraud on eBay, the folks at eBay made it clear they didn't care about my problem and refused to get involved. PayPal, on the other hand, did get involved and recovered my funds. If PayPal is forced to adopt the behavior of eBay, now that they are owned by eBay, then PayPal's value will be destroyed. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:33:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002b01c22ccb$a037f440$650d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:20:25 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:52 PM >Subject: Minix pcmcia > > >> I have been looking for info on the proprietary controller in the >> 200LX but haven't been able to find anything:(. Please, if anyone >has >> information on that post it or email it to me!! It'd be pretty >nigh >> impossible to write any kind of card or socket services for the >200LX >> hardware without it since they use specific calls to the >controller. > >That's all in the SDK documentation which Thaddeus sells with their >CD Infobase. Given the kind of stuff you're doing, you should have >this anyway. > >They've marked it down to $60 now. It has a LOT more than just the >SDK. > >Barry > Hi Barry I do have the sdk with a sample modem driver plus I have the source for lxcic. But it does not have info on the controller. and the source doesn't supply enough info for a card and socket services. HP puts a note in which says to contact them for more info but I doubt they still have it. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:31:57 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ebay buying out PayPal Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Ebay buying out PayPal > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0700, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Anyone care to post opinions about the transaction, what it will do to > > service quality of either other issues... > > Yes. I believe this could destroy the value of PayPal. When I > had a problem with fraud on eBay, the folks at eBay made it > clear they didn't care about my problem and refused to get > involved. PayPal, on the other hand, did get involved and > recovered my funds. If PayPal is forced to adopt the behavior > of eBay, now that they are owned by eBay, then PayPal's value > will be destroyed. That's especially interesting in light of both of their stated policies. Ebay promises to help you if they can and Paypal makes it plain they're just a transfer system and won't get involved. I'm not doubting you. I've heard of this before. It's just ironic. American Express is supposed to be great about helping but when a Netcom refused to stop charging me after I'd cancelled my account, AE tried to contact them and said they couldn't and so they couldn't help. Netcom continued to charge my card and AE continued to allow it so I cancelled my card. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:33:31 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia I do have the sdk with a sample modem driver plus I have the source for lxcic. But it does not have info on the controller. and the source doesn't supply enough info for a card and socket services. HP puts a note in which says to contact them for more info but I doubt they still have it. Do you have the development manual that comes with the SDK? There's a whole section on PCMCIA there. I don't know enough about PCMCIA to know how complete it is, though. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:57:29 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Larry Tachna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Tachna wrote: > start each line with a @ to suppress the command line from being shown while You don't need to start each line with "@" if you add "@echo off" at the top of your BAT file. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:57:32 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Edwards wrote: > I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various > commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten > me? 1. start your BAT file with "@echo off" 2. add ">>nul" to the of commands that also provide screen output. Example: @echo off :: This example shows PAUSE with a custom prompt msg... echo Hit any damn key you want . . . . pause>>nul Note: ">nul" also works but can cause more file handles to be in use than ">>nul". Additional BAT tip; using "::" is a better REMark than "REM" because DOS won't scan it for piping symbols. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:12:34 -0000 Reply-To: Victor Beazel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Beazel Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Can't you just pipe the output to a trash.txt file? Try executing a autoexc2.bat > trash.txt from autoexec.bat. Autoexc2.bat would contain the contents of the original autoexec.bat. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:36:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Battery life In-Reply-To: <3D33DF30.85C74CB2@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:54:08 +0200, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >> As a side note- a person can always use peak voltage in the >> interm to properly stop charging. > >Yes but all I have read so far agrees that voltage as such does not mean >anytrhing with NiCd and NiMH and depends on too many influences. Only >voltage changes make much sense. Therefore I have disabled that It is true voltage doesn't mean much but it is all we have. The peak voltage is not a good cutoff with the 100 mA charging current but with the higher current of the charging mod it works well. When I wrote that that is what I was thinking of. The dv doesn't mean anything with the 100 mA charging current either and will only work at the higher currents of the hack. And then it all depends too on how much current a person adds and what capacity battery a person uses. If a person adds 100 or 200 mA then stickig with the stall voltage and a timed charge is the best idea. You need to add in the 300 to 400 mA range=20 for peak or dv to make a differance. >criterion in ABC by setting it to a ridiculously high value (3.05 V). I >have left the last fallback, i.e. maximum charge time, which in my case >with 9h30 would actually be too short for totally depleted 900 mAh at >100 mA, but I start charging at 2.4 V or manually a bit above that. > >Axel It sounds like you are optimally charging your batteries with what you have. I would think ABC would work well with 900mAh batteries since you can give them a unsupervised full timed charge within the limits built-in. I'm curious, what do you use for a stall time? When I had 1000 mAh batteris I used about 2.5 to 3 hours. You should use a stall if you recharge at 2.4 volts or greater since you still have about 15-20 % of charge left. Peak voltage for a 100 mA charge current with large capacity batteries is really unneed though. Heh- I didn't even add a peak volatge adjustment to charge.com until I started hacking the charge current and needed it. One thing- I was talking to a engineer who's job is building battery chargers. He claimed the dv was the worst way to end the charge around. He said you end up over charging the batteries too frequently. He went on to say the best way to end the charge for nimh is when the voltage hits 3.05 volts (which it when they are fully charged) then dropping into trickle. I have a quick charger that works like that. It does seem to charge the batteries pretty well but on some battery it screws up and won't drop into trickle because the voltage of the battery won't get higgh enough to switch the circuitry. So it seems to me the best way to end a quick chqarge is a combition of events. If one fails the other takes over ending with a time and temp. This, of course, only applies when you only have a voltmeter to measure capacity. Starting a quick charge is a differant story. John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:42:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:16:36 -0700, you wrote: >dcat - doscat reads and writes files on dos drives Can this be used instead of dosread and doswrite to copy files from dos drives to the minix file system? Thanks for your effort!! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:51:08 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <004901c22c5e$ff5c9240$490d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:22:49 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: "Barry" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:30 PM >Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel > > >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:17:03 -0500, you wrote: >>Another reason for modules is modular programming. Sounds obvious >>but modular programming was the OOP of two decades ago. Write > >Object oriented programming. What is that- if you don't mind me >asking? I have always used sectional even in a single code page and >it >is pretty powerful. I have heard of OOP and almost took a class on >it >once. How does that beat modular for ease of programming? > >What is sectional? > >Barry Hi Barry Secional is simply dividing up a task into parts and working on each seperately and in the end merging each into a completed job. It is how I describe the way I program. But it works pretty well. From how you describe modular it is probably pretty similar to that but in aq smaller way. John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:49:35 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Battery life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > I'm curious, what do you use for a stall time? When I had > 1000 mAh batteris I used about 2.5 to 3 hours. 3 hours it is, but I'm not happy with that. The batteries get too hot in the end for my liking. But before I get to the final 2.84 V they tend to stall at near 2.79 V for up to three hours, so much less won't do. With a higher current this sort of overcharge will become deadly. I quickly ruined a set in my unmodified (i.e. no ABC) unit by plugging it in every night for the Nokia's sake. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:50:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: usr/src/kernel Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Secional is simply dividing up a task into parts and > working on each seperately and in the end merging > each into a completed job. It is how I describe the way > I program. But it works pretty well. From how you > describe modular it is probably pretty similar to that > but in aq smaller way. That sounds kind of like modular programming. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:11:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight for LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:19:04 +0200, you wrote: >Tue, 16.07.02 10:09 AM +0200 >Hi friends, > >I just got the 200LX from Martin Vagner who began to construct a >backlight. Now I have a few questions5 > >1. The voltage converter: Why is it called "inverter" by so many >people? >Are there any miniature comverters, e.g. the ones made by Mack, which I >could buy? It inverts dc to ac. Those are commonly called an inverter. > >2. The EL panel: Are all EL panels similar in voltage and current >requirements, or are there differences? I ask because of the converter. >If mine works, does that mean, also Mack's one would work? EL panels are quite differant. Some require 120 volts at 400hz for best output sonme need 140 at 150 hz. They all have differant capacidence. You have to read the specs. > >3. The screen: There is a reflective layer and a polarization layer >under the actual LCD. The Reflective layer is replaced by the EL. Does This is called a transmissive backlighyt and sucks because you have to have the backlight on all the time to see the scfreen. Avoid this if you can >the pol. layer HAVE to be between EL and LDC, or can it be left out? It Yes >seems to darken the EL light and lower the contrast significantly if it >is there. At least I observed the following: Where the EL panel and the >pol layer are glued together very tightly, the screen appears darker >than where they are seperated by little air bubbles. But since LCD just >polarizes the light in one direction, I assume the pol. layer is >needed, otherwise nothing can be seen on the screen, right? Yes > >Where can I buy such a polarization foil cheaply to replace the one >which is in the screen? Talk to a lcd manufacturer > >4. Removing the adhesive layers: How can it be done reliably? Didn't >someone here suggest something tested and proved some weeks ago? >Something with applying a solvent and removing the layer millimeter by >millimeter? > Just peel the thing off and use window cleaner and a razor blade to remove the adhesive. > >I'm just doing a little research, I definitely will NOT provide any >servic to backlight your palmtops, even if I am successful with mine. >But what about Radek's project of the Do It Yourself kit? >Are you proceeding, Radek? > >GTX >daniel John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:07:55 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > Hi Mike > > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:16:36 -0700, you wrote: > > >dcat - doscat reads and writes files on dos drives > > Can this be used instead of dosread and doswrite to copy files from > dos drives to the minix file system? Hi John, Exactly. Running dosminix from a file on a flash card I can now copy files from the remaining space on the card (A:), as well as from the C: drive and the ROM D: drive. I have not as yet tried reading from the times2tech drive (F: or C: if swapped) but it should work as well. I just need to finish the code and I should be able to write the other direction as well, from the minix file system to the dos drives. This takes the place of doswrite and dosread on the palmtop. Still need a dosdir though because all these assume you know, or remember the filename. A dosdir replacement shouldn't be hard either. When I get dcat working I'll start on that maybe. Regards, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:03:21 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I thought I would pre-announce a couple of programs I have > written for minix on the LX. >=20 This makesminix a much more viable alternative for the LX. No you can = easily run stuff in DOS, proces the results in minix and send those = results back. You can write programs that can read the appointments = database or read your PIM/LX data file. Now all we need is a port of the PAL library ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:20:26 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001f01c22ce6$9a01baa0$080d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:33:31 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:33 AM >Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia > > >I do have the sdk with a sample modem driver plus I have the source >for lxcic. But it does not have info on the controller. and the >source >doesn't supply enough info for a card and socket services. HP puts >a >note in which says to contact them for more info but I doubt they >still have it. > >Do you have the development manual that comes with the SDK? >There's a whole section on PCMCIA there. I don't know enough about >PCMCIA to know how complete it is, though. Hi Barry Yes I do. The PCMCIA section is the shortest in the manual and very very incomplete. There is pracitically6 no info at all- it just describes what the lx has for software and tells you to contact HP. It is my biggest gripe about that manual. That section is totally useless!!!! The worst thing is is the PCMCIA controller isn't mentioned at all in the hardware section so a person has no clue for setting it up.=20 > >Barry John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:43:39 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > This makesminix a much more viable alternative for the LX. > No you can easily run stuff in DOS, proces the results in > minix and send those results back. You can write programs > that can read the appointments database or read your PIM/LX > data file. True. My code could be adapted to most I/O tasks I believe. In the long run though, it might be better to have it at the kernel level using a new "dosfile" driver. > > Now all we need is a port of the PAL library Well, parts of it maybe. Programs are limited at most to 64k code, 64k data. In a dos PAL program, you hit 64k pretty quickly. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:03:59 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:03:21 -0400, you wrote: >>=20 >> I thought I would pre-announce a couple of programs I have >> written for minix on the LX. >>=20 >This makesminix a much more viable alternative for the LX. No you can = easily run stuff in DOS, proces the results in minix and send those = results back. You can write programs that can read the appointments = database or read your PIM/LX data file. Minix will never be much unless the serial port works on the LX. and it has a lot more memory to use. > >Now all we need is a port of the PAL library Has anyone tried compiling a pal program under minix. It may work fine without many changes. Alot of the stuff just uses standard dos calls. What would be nice is a port of open office to Minix. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:00:35 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Butler wrote: > That is true. Each incidence of HDM takes up a little less than 4K. I doubt I'll ever nest more than 1 or two levels so 4 or 8k isn't too bad. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:13:12 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:07:55 -0700, you wrote: >This takes the place of doswrite and dosread on the palmtop. >Still need a dosdir though because all these assume you know, or >remember the filename. A dosdir replacement shouldn't be hard >either. When I get dcat working I'll start on that maybe. > Excellant. Now its possible to copy files to Minix without having to mess around with a laptop. I remember I wanted to transfer Minix TCP/IP to Minix the last time I tried it but couldn't get it on without dealing with a laptop. Now if someone would just fix the serial port. It would be really cool to work in minix and be able to read mail at the same time. What do you think would be the best way to go about that? Write a driver which a person can compile into the kernel? That way the old drivers will remain pristine. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:49:44 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Subject: Re: HPLX-L Digest - 13 Jul 2002 to 14 Jul 2002 (#2002-219) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, seems to me that McAfee finally has discontinued the 4.x-scan-engine. The only thing I found is http://bin.mcafee.com/molbin/iss-loc/vso/cmdscan/dailyscan.zip , but I have no idea if this product runs on the LX (to be precise, if there's a real-mode version included). If this link does not work, go to www.mcafee.com , click Support and type "dos" into the search-field on the left. One of the first entrys should be "How do I scan for viruses in dos?". Regards, Paul ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:11:26 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >This takes the place of doswrite and dosread on the palmtop. > > Excellant. Now its possible to copy files to Minix without having to > mess around with a laptop. I remember I wanted to transfer Minix > TCP/IP to Minix the last time I tried it but couldn't get it on > without dealing with a laptop. Now if someone would just fix the > serial port. It would be really cool to work in minix and be able to > read mail at the same time. The serial port might be useful, but then one would have to have an external modem. I think it would have been more important if accessing the dos drives was found to be impossible because it then could have been used for transferring files in and out. I think your idea of pcmcia support would be more useful. If one could use a modem card or ethernet card that would be great. Well, I guess most people would need to run minix from the flash anyway, so it would only be useful for those with 32mb+ lx's that can use the space for minix. Perhaps serial port support would be good. > What do you think would be the best way to go about that? Write a > driver which a person can compile into the kernel? That way the old > drivers will remain pristine. In another post I said it would be good to have the dos file access capability in the kernel, but now I am reconsidering that. That capability, and the serial port, wouldn't be needed all the time, but if it's in the kernel, you are stuck with the reduced memory. If minix supported loadable kernel modules maybe, but I'm thinking now maybe things should be kept out of the kernel as much as possible. The serial port stuff, and the dos access could be put in libraries which could be linked into new programs. Each executable would be larger, but you would have more free mem to run it in. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:30:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:11:26 -0700, you wrote: >> >This takes the place of doswrite and dosread on the palmtop. >> >> Excellant. Now its possible to copy files to Minix without having to >> mess around with a laptop. I remember I wanted to transfer Minix >> TCP/IP to Minix the last time I tried it but couldn't get it on >> without dealing with a laptop. Now if someone would just fix the >> serial port. It would be really cool to work in minix and be able to >> read mail at the same time. > >The serial port might be useful, but then one would have to have >an external modem. I think it would have been more important if >accessing the dos drives was found to be impossible because it >then could have been used for transferring files in and out. I >think your idea of pcmcia support would be more useful. If one >could use a modem card or ethernet card that would be great. >Well, I guess most people would need to run minix from the flash >anyway, so it would only be useful for those with 32mb+ lx's >that can use the space for minix. Perhaps serial port support >would be good. One thing is pcmcia support could replace all the floppy drive, hard drive, scuzzy drive, cd rom drive and printer drive now being loaded into the kernel on the LX. With pcmcia drivers even serial can be replaced because a person can use a pcmcia serial card. But according to the doc it uses about 60k of memory. I might be aqble to reduce that by about half. > > >> What do you think would be the best way to go about that? Write a >> driver which a person can compile into the kernel? That way the old >> drivers will remain pristine. > >In another post I said it would be good to have the dos file >access capability in the kernel, but now I am reconsidering >that. That capability, and the serial port, wouldn't be needed >all the time, but if it's in the kernel, you are stuck with the >reduced memory. If minix supported loadable kernel modules >maybe, but I'm thinking now maybe things should be kept out of >the kernel as much as possible. The serial port stuff, and the >dos access could be put in libraries which could be linked into >new programs. Each executable would be larger, but you would >have more free mem to run it in. How about loading XIP code and loading the kernal into a ram disk on the LX? Run it from a ram disk like dos is run from the rom and try to keep as much low ram as possible for programs. In fact if XIP code was freely accessable programs could use it to also run from a ram disk pretty much leaving low ram alone except for data.=20 > >Mike John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:53:17 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Russel Brooks In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Note: ">nul" also works but can cause more file handles to be in >> use than ">>nul". >> >>Additional BAT tip; using "::" is a better REMark than "REM" >>because DOS won't scan it for piping symbols. those are two really interesting pieces of trivia I did not know thanks for sharing them, I did know about @echo off but I am in the habit of using @ at the start of each line because there is always one or two lines of the batch file I want to see ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:18:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone figure out the CTTY command? Here is a batch file I used to use for a stealth log. I'm rusty on batch files these days. I think as long as the batch file is not interrupted your are ok. The CTTY nul line basically locks out any control of the system until you hit the CTTY con which gives back control at the console. Everything else in between is stealth. This batch file creates a hidden boot record file in the c:\uty directory. log.bat: CTTY nul PROMPT $d $t TYPE empty.bat>empty.bat COMMAND /c empty.bat>>c:\uty\l.txt ATTRIB +h c:\uty\l.txt DEL empty.bat CTTY con Bob Mike Edwards wrote: > > Hi, > > I want my autoexec to be processed without the text output from the various > commands and tsr's being printed to the screen. Can somebody please enlighten > me? > > Thanks, > Mike > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:29:04 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I recall, the console consists of the screen and keyboard. With "ctty nul", your keyboard and screen becomes nothing until the "ctty con" gives control back to the standard console which is the screen and keyboard. I think typical application is using ctty in conjuction with a serial port to allow an ascii terminal to control the system. Bob -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:24:46 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Victor Beazel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Victor Beazel wrote: > Can't you just pipe the output to a trash.txt file? Try executing > a autoexc2.bat > trash.txt from autoexec.bat. Autoexc2.bat would > contain the contents of the original autoexec.bat. Yes, but that would take disk space and the time to write the file. Since the output isn't wanted it's better to send it to the black hole called "nul". Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:26:17 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Minix pcmcia enabler source MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If anyone is interested I've been lead to sample Minix pcmcia enabler > source:-). The link is: > > http://www.minix-vmd.org/cgi-bin/raw/current/vmd/opt/pcmcia/src/i82365.h > > Just backspace to src to see all the source. This uses a intel > controller and won't work with the HP. But once info is located on the > HP is should be fairly easy to implement it. > > John > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:15:31 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 1 day 03h07m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > I have been looking for info on the proprietary controller in the > 200LX but haven't been able to find anything:(. Please, if anyone has > information on that post it or email it to me!! It'd be pretty nigh > impossible to write any kind of card or socket services for the 200LX > hardware without it since they use specific calls to the controller. The only source I know for info about internals is LXREF. If you haven't got it already, pick it up on SUPER. But I doubt that it is sufficient for your purpose. > Does HP still give away that info? Its been 4 years since the LX was > discontinued so probably not. 3 years, I think. Nov 1999? > Any advice or help is very appreciated!! It'd be great to be able > to use a netwoirk card to hook up Minix to a network!!! I agree! BTW, thank you for all your work. I tried Minix a couple of years ago, and it was nice to see, but since not very useful, I deleted it again. Actually I am a full-time linux user (and DOS, of course), so a working and useful Minix system on the LX would be really great! But a lot of work had to be done. Thanks! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:15:32 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Don 1 day 01h25m ago Don Miller wrote: > COPY SYSLOG.TXT SYSLOG.OLD >NUL Do you use my syslog program? ;-) > The only place you may run into trouble would be if you are loading a = TSR > that NEEDS to write output to do whatever it does; you might make it > invisible... Programs may, as far as I know, write to stdout or to stderr. stdout is redirected by the >, but not stderr. But I think stderr can also be redirected. Does anyone know exactly how? I think it was something like command 2> out.txt GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:24:26 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Larry Tachna In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The reason is that DOS spends the time to "process" the REM line, even though it does not execute it. But the : is a label and :: is a non-referred-to label, and so DOS processes it minimally, just know where it is but never refers to it. At 7/16/02 -0400, you wrote: > >>Note: ">nul" also works but can cause more file handles to be in > >> use than ">>nul". > >> > >>Additional BAT tip; using "::" is a better REMark than "REM" > >>because DOS won't scan it for piping symbols. > >those are two really interesting pieces of trivia I did not know thanks for >sharing them, I did know about @echo off but I am in the habit of using @ at >the start of each line because there is always one or two lines of the batch >file I want to see > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:39:29 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:15:31 +0200, you wrote: >Hi John > >1 day 03h07m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > >> I have been looking for info on the proprietary controller in the >> 200LX but haven't been able to find anything:(. Please, if anyone has >> information on that post it or email it to me!! It'd be pretty nigh >> impossible to write any kind of card or socket services for the 200LX >> hardware without it since they use specific calls to the controller. > >The only source I know for info about internals is LXREF. If you >haven't got it already, pick it up on SUPER. >But I doubt that it is sufficient for your purpose. Yes I've seen it. It is basically the same as the book that comes with the sdk. They both say the same thing- the controller specification is in the hardware section- so you turn to the hardware section and there is nothing but the pinout of the address and data lines of the controller:(. Not a single bit on i/o or anything. Either I can't read or they never put it in. > >> Does HP still give away that info? Its been 4 years since the LX was >> discontinued so probably not. > >3 years, I think. Nov 1999? Think they would still have it? > >> Any advice or help is very appreciated!! It'd be great to be able >> to use a netwoirk card to hook up Minix to a network!!! > >I agree! >BTW, thank you for all your work. I tried Minix a couple of years ago, >and it was nice to see, but since not very useful, I deleted it again. >Actually I am a full-time linux user (and DOS, of course), so a working >and useful Minix system on the LX would be really great! >But a lot of work had to be done. Wish I could take credit for it but it was all Mack and Mike as far as I know. The latest version runs really well doesn't it? > >Thanks! >daniel John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:47:53 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Mimix and long file names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I've been browsing through minix some of the file names are longer than 8 characters!!! Does Minix support long filenames? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:48:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Peter A. Castro" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Peter A. Castro" Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA Comments: To: Adrian Ho In-Reply-To: <20020716213207.A2917@svr1.03s.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Adrian Ho wrote: Hi Adrian! > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:19:37PM -0700, Peter A. Castro wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > > > [...] > > > Doesn't anyone make clamshell PDAs with a decent keyboard > > > any more? > > > > Has anyone played with the Nokia 9290? It's a phone with > > a clamshell PDA. I've been eyeing it lately and wondered > > if anyone else has seen it. > > I own a 9210 (the 9290 for the rest of the world), but I don't think > there are any mechanical differences, so here goes: > > The tactile feedback's not as good, but it's all right for > me. What I really hate is the 8-way joypad -- I'm forever > accidentally changing values in pulldown menus with it. Does that mean it's not a touch-screen? ie: you must use the joypad? What about keyboard short-cuts? > Apps-wise...well, there's a reason Nokia calls it a > "Communicator" and not a PDA. Web/WAP browser, SMS editor, > contacts list, calendar, Pocket Word/Excel/PowerPoint > equivalents all built-in. I'd wondered about the functionality of the phone-list & contact list. Would you say it was comparable to the 200LX's? What about a Note Taker app? I didn't see any mention of a user-customizable database. The Nokia website has a downloadable SDK for the 9200 series. Have you played with it at all? I'm thinking that if the builtin apps aren't good enough I might write/port my own stuff to it. I have a few custom apps that I've written that I'd have to port anyways. Any comments on battery life? > About the only advantages that the 92x0 has over my 200LX: > > [1] built-in cellphone > [2] smaller size (same length and height, 2/3rds the width) > [3] better screen (my LX's screen is now a sickly mess) Those are good reasons for me. I hate having to carry around all these electronic toys (cellphone + pager + 200LX + cryptokey + watch, etc ;-). Being able to combine most of these into one unit would really be a plus. > But don't just take my word for it. Try it out for yourself. > Who knows, you may like it (it's starting to grow on me, > but perhaps it's because I can't afford to buy a Treo after > what I spent on this thing 8-). If I can find someplace that actually has one I'll give it a try. Thanks for the feedback! > - Adrian > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > -- Peter A. Castro or "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:08:03 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has been bugging me for awhile so I thought I'd bounce it off the list. How hard would it be to replace the roms in the LX with either flash ram or eproms? Getting the programming is no big deal since a programmer could be connected to the roms and it could be copied then placed in new chips. But what kind of interface would you need for something like flash ram to work? I was thinking flash ram so than part of it could be used as non volitale storage plus being able to easily modify the built-in programs. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:31:43 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix Comments: cc: kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, >I'm also trying to work out a simple way to distribute the programs. Good luck! Maybe this issue is harder to deal with than writing the utils? I heard the LX serial port does not work in Minix. Accessing DOS files on ramdisk/flashdisk does not work yet. How will people load the programs on their palmtops? The only chances I can think of are: 1., Giving them the source code, which they enter via keyboard and compile themselves. The tiny palmtop keyboard makes this alternative less than pleasing. 2., Preparing whole ready-to-use dos-Minix partitions, which already include your utils. Considering the huge size (8-40MB) this method won't probably be very popular. 3., Some method to inject the utils into dosMinix filesystem, while running DOS. Would probably require writing a dos-based driver for MinixFS. Sincerely: Tamas Feher ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:52:11 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA In-Reply-To: ; from doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG on Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 12:48:34AM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 12:48:34AM -0700, Peter A. Castro wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Adrian Ho wrote: > > The tactile feedback's not as good, but it's all right for > > me. What I really hate is the 8-way joypad -- I'm forever > > accidentally changing values in pulldown menus with it. > > Does that mean it's not a touch-screen? ie: you must use > the joypad? Yup. > What about keyboard short-cuts? Oh yeah, but navigation is strictly via joypad. > > Apps-wise...well, there's a reason Nokia calls it a > > "Communicator" and not a PDA. Web/WAP browser, SMS editor, > > contacts list, calendar, Pocket Word/Excel/PowerPoint > > equivalents all built-in. > > I'd wondered about the functionality of the phone-list & > contact list. Would you say it was comparable to the > 200LX's? Depends on your criteria for comparison. You can add your own fields to the phonelist/contactlist (they're the same DB), but it wasn't designed as a generic DB the way the LX's is. > What about a Note Taker app? There are two actually: A standalone app that works much like the LX Note Taker (except no categories), and a Post-It sort of thing that's bound to the Desk (a rather silly metaphor for a PDA, but I didn't write the darn thing 8-) and is about as useful as a...well...Post-It, though you can't export the text therein in any way. > I didn't see any mention of a user-customizable database. It's a 3rd-party app (Power Data) and it's plenty powerful, but it ain't built-in. > The Nokia website has a downloadable SDK for the 9200 series. > Have you played with it at all? I actually requested an earlier version on CD-ROM almost 6 months ago, but I've yet to try it out (busy busy 8-). > I'm thinking that if the builtin apps aren't good enough I > might write/port my own stuff to it. I have a few custom > apps that I've written that I'd have to port anyways. Well, g'luck then. It's probably more complex than writing an equivalent DOS/LX app, but I don't think it's rocket science. > Any comments on battery life? I have two batteries, each of which lasts me at least 3 days per charge. Call it about 0.5 hr/day talktime, and about 2 hrs/day PDAtime. Oh yeah, mine hangs about once a week or so, but then I haven't gone round to the local Nokia Care Center for a firmware upgrade yet, and taking out the battery for a while always cures the problem (haven't lost any data yet). The 9290, being rolled out later, may actually be more robust. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:46:02 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Minix and the 200LX serial port MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The serial port does work under Minix . I was able to use it to log onto my isp with an external modem and term. It worked great for that. However when it came time to transfer a file from my laptop to the 200LX it didn't work. Basically what I did was start a terminal program on my laptop, start term and rz on the palmtop, then start transfering a file on the laptop using zmodem.=20 It does start transfering the file but times out. The symptoms remind me of what happens when the cable isn't wired right. I don't know how the cable needs to be wired for rz.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:07:25 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Win 2000 batch files. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 18h30m ago Steve Novosad wrote: > Another WAG, as I don't boot W2k very often, but find W2k's > "escape" character. As the caret is being eaten, try double carets. > As M$ is not willing to document this kind of stuff I suspect > Google is your friend. ..or try to put the string with the caret into quotation marks. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:07:28 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David 15h47m ago David Becher wrote: > Be careful. IIRC each "nest" of HDM stays in memory, limiting the = amount of > memory that you have for your game. Some large memory hogging games = might not > work Then use maydos. Every nest is then swapped to disk (but eats up disk space then, of course). GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:33:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files > Programs may, as far as I know, write to stdout or to stderr. > stdout is redirected by the >, but not stderr. > But I think stderr can also be redirected. Does anyone know exactly > how? > I think it was something like > > command 2> out.txt I think that's unix/linux that uses that. There's a program called stderr that you use to run a program and it merges stdout and stderr of the program it runs so you can redirect them together. It's at http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/stderr/stderr.exe You probably can't run a batch file with this but you can run command.com with it and have it run a batch file. It should still redirect stderr with stdout, although I haven't tried it. I have run batch files this way with loaders but not for the purpose of redirecting stderr. Example running a program: c:\>stderr program param1 param2 >nul Example running a batch file: c:\> stderr command /c batch param1 param2 >null Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Does HP still give away that info? Its been 4 years since the LX was >> discontinued so probably not. Have you called them? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:43:45 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Mimix and long file names In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > As I've been browsing through minix some of the file names are longer > than 8 characters!!! Does Minix support long filenames? 14 characters is the maximum. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:52:12 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Two new programs for minix In-Reply-To: <002601c22d74$c36f4220$162fa8c0@2fkft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Feher Tamas wrote: > >I'm also trying to work out a simple way to distribute the programs. > > Good luck! Maybe this issue is harder to deal with than writing the utils? Not so hard really. At boot time a second dosminix file can be specified which can then be mounted into the file system. So, I could load the utils into a small partition, say 16k, which can then be downloaded, mounted by the user, and the utils copied from it to the appropriate command directories. I just need to write down the steps clearly. > I heard the LX serial port does not work in Minix. The latest from John is it does work, but there are problems. > Accessing DOS files on ramdisk/flashdisk does not work yet. Until now : ) Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mimix and long file names Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: Mimix and long file names > As I've been browsing through minix some of the file names are longer > than 8 characters!!! Does Minix support long filenames? I just played iwth creating filenames of different length and it seems to be able to take any length name I give it but it only uses 13 characters. Being concerned that it might really be using them all but displaying 13 characters I was able to delete it just using the 13 character name. The only reference I could find in man was to PATH_MAX which is the length of the entire path and is limited to 255 "as distributed". There is also a system error ENAMETOOLONG but that refers to PATH_MAX. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:06:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: Minix and the 200LX serial port > However when it came time to transfer a file from my laptop to the > 200LX it didn't work. Basically what I did was start a terminal > program on my laptop, start term and rz on the palmtop, then start > transfering a file on the laptop using zmodem. > > It does start transfering the file but times out. The symptoms remind > me of what happens when the cable isn't wired right. I don't know how > the cable needs to be wired for rz. You might try transferring at 300 baud and see if that makes a difference. At 300 baud you can be sure there won't be any need for flow control and since it starts working and then times out it could be a flow control problem. That can be caused by wiring the cable wrong or by other things. You might also try using software flow control. Many years since I used rz or zmodem so I don't remember if that's possible with them. You also might try using the copy commnad to com1:. I used to use that all the time for a quick and dirty way to transfer small amounts of information. And at 300 baud I could send larger amounts. 1200 baud would overflow at (IIRC) about 128 bytes. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:49 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Rhyming dictionary for LX (Was Re: supressing command output in bat files) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Does anybody know of a rhyming dictionary for my hp200lx? > I haven't tried any of them, but there are three listed on this download page: http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/22/13.html Good luck, andd let us know what you find! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:51:45 -0400 Reply-To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bruce Martin Subject: Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I just got the 200LX from Martin Vagner who began to construct a > backlight. Daniel, since you are alse the Master of All LEDs, have you investigated using white LED "side-lights" instead of a backlight? This would allow you to leave the reflective layer in place. Just curious about whether this is possible... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce in Toronto ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:18:55 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: <004701c22d9b$382f4d00$d60d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > me of what happens when the cable isn't wired right. I don't know > how > > the cable needs to be wired for rz. >=20 > You might try transferring at 300 baud and see if that makes a > difference. At 300 baud you can be sure there won't be any need > for flow control and since it starts working and then times out it > could be a flow control problem. That can be caused by wiring the > cable wrong or by other things. >=20 > You might also try using software flow control. Many years since I > used rz or zmodem so I don't remember if that's possible with them. >=20 It might also be a 7 vs 8 bit problem Try uuencoding the file and use = plain ascii to transfer the files. uuencoding makes the file bigger by = converting all bytes to 7 bit. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:41:45 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Victor 21h58m ago Victor Beazel wrote: > Can't you just pipe the output to a trash.txt file? Try executing > a autoexc2.bat > trash.txt from autoexec.bat. Autoexc2.bat would > contain the contents of the original autoexec.bat. AFAIK, every program called from the batch which produces its own output would again write to the screen. To avoid that, and redirect every outout which is produced by anything from within the batch, it has to be run in an own command interpreter, like so: command.com /c runthis.bat > output.txt I think this really redirects everything into output.txt. I'm still not sure about the stderr output, though. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:19:34 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: <004701c22d9b$382f4d00$d60d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:06:26 -0500, you wrote: >You might try transferring at 300 baud and see if that makes a >difference. At 300 baud you can be sure there won't be any need >for flow control and since it starts working and then times out it >could be a flow control problem. That can be caused by wiring the >cable wrong or by other things. I tried 300. Still acted up > >You might also try using software flow control. Many years since I >used rz or zmodem so I don't remember if that's possible with them. I didn't see anyway of using flow conrol in the doc. I did try legthing the timeout time-didn't help > >You also might try using the copy commnad to com1:. I used to use >that all the time for a quick and dirty way to transfer small >amounts of information. And at 300 baud I could send larger >amounts. 1200 baud would overflow at (IIRC) about 128 bytes. I'll try this nexttime. > >Barry > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:46:34 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:06:26 -0500, you wrote: > I tried 300. Still acted up > > I didn't see anyway of using flow conrol in the doc. I did try > legthing the timeout time-didn't help At 300 baud you don't need flow control even on a 4.77 mhz PC so that's probably not it. Unless there's some other process running. That might interfere. >>You also might try using the copy commnad to com1:.. > > I'll try this nexttime. If this works it'll tell you it's a problem with the programs talking to each other. You can have COPY FILENAME COM1: on one system and COPY COM1: FILENAME on the other. Or if Minix is the sender, cat whatever_the_com_device_is_called. At least I think that's how I remember you use cat. I've never done this on a unix system but I've done it PC to PC and between PCs and our DG minicomputer lots of times. Actually most of the stuff I did this with was just a 20 or 30 characters and 1200 baud was never a problem. I don't remember if I used higher rates but I suspect I could have. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:15:59 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: <006901c22dca$bc0b5c20$d60d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > At 300 baud you don't need flow control even on a 4.77 mhz PC so > that's probably not it. Unless there's some other process running. > That might interfere. >=20 Yes! Look for a getty process! What's the serial ports device name? Look = in /etc/ttytab. it could be that a periodic login prompt is screwing = things up, maybe when a ctrl-d char happens to pass by the port? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:28:11 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:18:55 -0400, you wrote: >> me of what happens when the cable isn't wired right. I don't know >> how >> > the cable needs to be wired for rz. >>=20 >> You might try transferring at 300 baud and see if that makes a >> difference. At 300 baud you can be sure there won't be any need >> for flow control and since it starts working and then times out it >> could be a flow control problem. That can be caused by wiring the >> cable wrong or by other things. >>=20 >> You might also try using software flow control. Many years since I >> used rz or zmodem so I don't remember if that's possible with them. >>=20 > >It might also be a 7 vs 8 bit problem Try uuencoding the file and use = plain ascii to transfer the files. uuencoding makes the file bigger by = converting all bytes to 7 bit. Tried it- no go. I also tried xmodem with crc. Xmodem just sat there waiting for the send signal from rz. I could see rz send Cs but my terminal program on the laptop didn't seem to see them. I left the file uuencoded and enter the command rz -ac to recieve in ascii and put it into xmodem crc mode. One thing is the doc shows rz /dev/tty00 to recieve on com1. However when I try entering that when I am shelled out under term it pops up the internel helpscreen like I entered the wrong command.=20 John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:34:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:15:59 -0400, you wrote: >> At 300 baud you don't need flow control even on a 4.77 mhz PC so >> that's probably not it. Unless there's some other process running. >> That might interfere. >>=20 > >Yes! Look for a getty process! What's the serial ports device name? Look= in /etc/ttytab. it could be that a periodic login prompt is screwing = things up, maybe when a ctrl-d char happens to pass by the port? I am using com 1 so the device is tty00. In ttytab it is listed as unknown. I assumed this was ok since then something like a network process wouldn't try to use it? > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:55:44 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just an anecdotal report... I happen to have one of the new 1GB IBM microdrives (CF Type II format). On a whim, I popped it in the PCMCIA carrier and then into my HP200LX, which was running on batteries at the time. I was able to see all the files on the disk, looked at one using the TYPE command, and created a small file using DIR >JUNK.DAT I know this drive probably exceeds safe current from the HP200, but I was surprised that it even worked at all. I have the special large flash disk driver, because my main flash card is a SanDisk 440MB. FWIW... -Chris -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:11:24 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix and the 200LX serial port In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable comment it out or take it out altogether in ttytab. I think the unknown = is just a termtype var. If it is in ttytab then it will spawn a getty = against it. > I am using com 1 so the device is tty00. In ttytab it is listed as > unknown. I assumed this was ok since then something like a network > process wouldn't try to use it? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:14:07 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! In-Reply-To: <200207172055.g6HKti1T021357@mail.hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Woofa! That's a big deal. I wonder how well this can be made to work. = Picture having a 5GB drive in the LX... sheesh. As has been said before, = 'what to do with all that space. ' > Just an anecdotal report... I happen to have one of the new 1GB IBM > microdrives (CF Type II format). On a whim, I popped it in the PCMCIA > carrier and then into my HP200LX, which was running on batteries at = the > time. I was able to see all the files on the disk, looked at one > using the TYPE command, and created a small file using DIR >JUNK.DAT >=20 > I know this drive probably exceeds safe current from the HP200, but > I was surprised that it even worked at all. I have the special > large flash disk driver, because my main flash card is a SanDisk > 440MB. >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:23:34 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: [Minix] A little success MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I switched to Hyper Terminal in windows and finally managed to start a transfer process. I made a HP 200LX connection as so-=20 Hyper Terminal Direct to Com1 baud 300 =46low control none and unchecked FIFO buffers Minix Term 300 baud 8 data bits /dev/tty00 rz -a for ascii <&9 >&9 for term file handle And by gum it connected and started to transfer- very very slowly. It ended with a packet too long error and then the LX light sleep broke in and broke the connection when it turned the lx off and back on- but it almost worked!! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:19:44 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know how to do command history and/or line completion in = ash? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:28:47 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can get it to work if I do=20 TERM=3Dvt100 export TERM ash then arrow keys do history and tab completes ansi type term works too but then I'm running two shells. I tried changing type from minix to = ansi in ttytab but it don't work. BTW: handy link for ash shell http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/ae/ae_toc.html > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Eduardo Seudonimo > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:20 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Minix command line >=20 >=20 > Does anyone know how to do command history and/or line completion in = ash? >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:41:47 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kewl, here's a kludge that works. It sets the term type and respawns a = new shell and kills the old one. modify /.profile so that these lines are last TERM=3Dansi export TERM exec ash WARNING: This could lock you out of minix!!!! Try at your own risk. You = can create an additional root equivalent user (UID=3D0) with a different = home dir to avoid the risk. I'm sure there's a better way to adjust the term type before login, tho. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Eduardo Seudonimo > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Minix command line >=20 >=20 > I can get it to work if I do=20 >=20 > TERM=3Dvt100 > export TERM > ash >=20 > then arrow keys do history and tab completes >=20 > ansi type term works too >=20 > but then I'm running two shells. I tried changing type from minix=20 > to ansi in ttytab but it don't work. >=20 >=20 > BTW: handy link for ash shell >=20 > http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/ae/ae_toc.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf = Of > > Eduardo Seudonimo > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:20 PM > > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > > Subject: Re: Minix command line > >=20 > >=20 > > Does anyone know how to do command history and/or line=20 > completion in ash? > >=20 > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:42:14 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day. About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read 4:49. Once I realized it wasn't *really* almost time to go home, I became concerned. On closer inspection I noticed that the second hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds (not measured, estimated from memory). After a hard boot the closk speed was back to normal, and oddly enough the clock had the correct time. I've never seen or hard of anything like this--anyone else? Any ideas? Should I be concerned? Thanks! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:53:03 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > Kewl, here's a kludge that works. It sets the term type and respawns a new shell and kills the old one. > modify /.profile so that these lines are last > > TERM=ansi > export TERM > exec ash > WARNING: This could lock you out of minix!!!! Try at your > own risk. You can create an additional root equivalent user > (UID=0) with a different home dir to avoid the risk. You could also change the shell on your root equivalent user, with chsh. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:48:39 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Minix ash shell link In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.samag.com/documents/s=3D1205/sam9704d/9704d.htm good link for ash examples wookay... that's enough for today.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:51:43 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could also change the shell on your root equivalent user, > with chsh. I don't think there is another shell. If it's a bourne-alike shell it = will still read /.profile unless the home dir is different. If home dir = is diff then it will read $HOMEDIR/.profile. / just happens to be = root's home dir. On linux it is /root which is probably smarter. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:52:17 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Maybe yours was a recent model that sports improved power management? Last year, I tried mine immediately in my LX with fresh lithium batteries and it worked also ... for a few seconds. Thereafter it refused to turn on unless the MD was removed. This was also done using Mack's driver. - Longden > Just an anecdotal report... I happen to have one of the new 1GB IBM > microdrives (CF Type II format). On a whim, I popped it in the PCMCIA > carrier and then into my HP200LX, which was running on batteries at the > time. I was able to see all the files on the disk, looked at one > using the TYPE command, and created a small file using DIR >JUNK.DAT > > I know this drive probably exceeds safe current from the HP200, but > I was surprised that it even worked at all. I have the special > large flash disk driver, because my main flash card is a SanDisk > 440MB. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:58:47 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:14:07 -0400 Eduardo Seudonimo a icrit: > As has been said before, 'what to do with all that space". I remember to said that, during a discussion with my maths teacher, when the first 100MB hard drive was announced.... Now, I have more than that in my pocket... ;-) (Well, to be honest, I have less than 100MB currently used ). Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:30:53 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: "Robert K. Meyer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert K. Meyer wrote: > Anyone figure out the CTTY command? The danger of using CTTY NUL is it redirects both the screen output AND THE KEYBOARD INPUT to Nul. If your BAT file hangs or loops you may not be able stop it and will have to reboot to recover. I've used it in the past on my desktop but haven't had a need on the LX (yet). Cheers... Russ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:30:56 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Larry Tachna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Tachna wrote: > I did know about @echo off but I am in the habit of using @ at > the start of each line because there is always one or two lines of the batch > file I want to see For a long BAT file it might be easier to use ECHO ON and ECHO OFF to control console output instead of having to tag every line with an "@". @echo off ...a bunch of lines echo on copy ...command echoed to screen @echo off ...rest of bat quiet Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:23:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Comments: To: Russel Brooks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Brooks" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files > Robert K. Meyer wrote: > > Anyone figure out the CTTY command? > > The danger of using CTTY NUL is it redirects both the screen > output AND THE KEYBOARD INPUT to Nul. If your BAT file hangs or > loops you may not be able stop it and will have to reboot to > recover. I've used it in the past on my desktop but haven't had > a need on the LX (yet). I've redirected input to debug from a file and if it doesnt work it hangs up but since the keyboard is actually polled on the 200lx you cant even reboot. You have to do ctrl shift on to recover. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:14:27 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: [Minix] Success!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I got a file transfered from a laptop to Minix on the 200LX using the serial port. The problem was I had been shutting off the power to the serial port in my autoexec.bat:-). Once a ran serctl /w and rebooted minix it worked just fine. Basically this is how I did it. rebooted the palmtop and then ran serctl /w Started Minix3 from a flashcard ran term 300 8 /dev/tty00 pressed ctrl +shift+] then pressed s pressed rz -b <&9 >&9 but do not press enter just yet Go to laptop. I run win98 so I started a dos box started terminal program (I use Comit for Dos) Set the parameters so you hace 300 baud 8N1 and connect to com 1 Connect the serial cable between desktop and palmtop Put the terminal program into dumb mode Load the menu for transfering files select zmodem and file to transfer. Do not start it yet strat rz on palmtop start file transfer on laptop Wait about an hour for file transfer to finish on about a 200k file:) Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is figured out!!! At least it works!!! And now I have PPP in Minix:-). There's a whole bunch of networking software that can be added. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:36:20 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I wonder what happened to the original message - I never saw it on HPLX> I am guessing it came from John M because of the mention of the 440MB card. In any case, this was reported right here by yours truly about 12-18 months ago or so - I got one of these 1GB CF II IBM Microdrives to evaluate (nothing to do with Palmtops). I tried it anyway and it worked both on plain batteries or current. Palmtop got warmer and warmer. Batteries were depleting rapidly of course. Eventually the black screen... It worked a bit better on the adapter, but not much. Mostly the issue was that the drive was unstable in terms of the speed and that causes lots of read errors. It could recover, but it meant the throughput was terrible sue to many retries. It also needed a special drive from Mack along the lines of the driver he has for the Sandisk 440MB. I managed to write many many megabytes on the drive, and read many more megabytes (which were written by the desktop). But again, reading was slow due to retries, and writing was WORSE. It also heated up the palmtop VERY BADLY - beyond what I was comfortable with when I used it on adapter. There is Toshiba 5GB CF II but it takes lots of current, much more than the palmtop supplies. I also costs a king's ransom. But the huge territory sounds lovely! At 7/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >Woofa! That's a big deal. I wonder how well this can be made to work. >Picture having a 5GB drive in the LX... sheesh. As has been said before, >'what to do with all that space. on chin>' > > > Just an anecdotal report... I happen to have one of the new 1GB IBM > > microdrives (CF Type II format). On a whim, I popped it in the PCMCIA > > carrier and then into my HP200LX, which was running on batteries at the > > time. I was able to see all the files on the disk, looked at one > > using the TYPE command, and created a small file using DIR >JUNK.DAT > > > > I know this drive probably exceeds safe current from the HP200, but > > I was surprised that it even worked at all. I have the special > > large flash disk driver, because my main flash card is a SanDisk > > 440MB. > > > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:21:22 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > You could also change the shell on your root equivalent user, > > with chsh. > > I don't think there is another shell. If it's a bourne-alike > shell it will still read /.profile unless the home dir is > different. If home dir is diff then it will read > $HOMEDIR/.profile. / just happens to be root's home dir. On > linux it is /root which is probably smarter. I meant you could change the equiv users login shell to ash using 'chsh username /usr/bin/ash' then the command history and tab completion works, no need to bother with the TERM setting. Or did you need that for something else. I forget the original problem. Command history is nice, but the ash shell uses 117k vs 51k for sh, and I've had some memory problems when running ash. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:38:07 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I meant you could change the equiv users login shell to ash > using 'chsh username /usr/bin/ash' then the command history and > tab completion works, no need to bother with the TERM setting. > Or did you need that for something else. I forget the original > problem. Ack (slap to the forehead) I thought that ash was the only shell and /bin/sh was just a link to ash = (like linux and bash). >=20 > Command history is nice, but the ash shell uses 117k vs 51k for > sh, and I've had some memory problems when running ash. 117k? How? I thought programs were limited to 64k. How does a program = use the large memory model under minix? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:45:07 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is > figured out!!! At least it works!!! > > And now I have PPP in Minix:-). There's a whole bunch of networking > software that can be added. Excellent work figuring this out! Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:07:50 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix command line In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > > Command history is nice, but the ash shell uses 117k vs 51k for > > sh, and I've had some memory problems when running ash. > > 117k? How? I thought programs were limited to 64k. How does > a program use the large memory model under minix? Programs can be compiled with split code and data segments, each of which can be 64k. 117k is how much ash uses when running on my setup, the binary is only 61352 bytes. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:50:52 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Robert K. Meyer writes: > I think typical application is using ctty in conjuction with a serial port to > allow an ascii terminal to control the system. This reminds of the time when a coworker brought in a computer which he had a problem with, and didnt bring in the keyboard. The keyboard plug was the small plug which today is standard only then we didnt have a keyboaerd with that plug on it. So I made a boot floppy with "ctty aux1" in the autoexec.bat (There were mode commands in there as well to set the baud rate) and ran his computer using my HPLX as the screen and keyboard. I managed to copy his autoexec.bat and config.sys to a diskette and repair them in order to get his Win3.1 up and running again.... This was the ONLY time I ever used ctty. -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:13:59 +0100 Reply-To: Harry Wellner Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Harry Wellner Subject: Fwd: Re: supressing command output in bat files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What about: ..... ..... CTTY NUL CTTY CON ..... ..... Greetings Harry Wellner ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:34:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: HDM: Nested menus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops, i meant maxdos, of course. ;-) > Then use maydos. Every nest is then swapped to disk (but eats up disk > space then, of course). > > GTX > daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:31:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Fn key under Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How can I get the Fn key to work all the time? It seems to work for page up and page down but if I press Fn+b just b is printed. Its a problem for me because my backlight doesn't work and I can't press =46n+c to stop and start charging. Also what happens to dos tsrs that are started before Minix? Some still work such as the doublespeed driver but others don't John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:37:28 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:42:14 -0500, you wrote: >I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day. >About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read >4:49. Once I realized it wasn't *really* almost time to go home, >I became concerned. On closer inspection I noticed that the second >hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds (not >measured, estimated from memory). > >After a hard boot the closk speed was back to normal, and oddly >enough the clock had the correct time. > >I've never seen or hard of anything like this--anyone else? Any >ideas? Should I be concerned? > >Thanks! Your hardware probably glitched out. If it starts happening all the time its something to worry about but one instance is of no concern. We all use equipment at least three years old so glitches will happen. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:42:14 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! Comments: To: Michael Kopplin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:45:07 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> >> Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is >> figured out!!! At least it works!!! >> >> And now I have PPP in Minix:-). There's a whole bunch of networking >> software that can be added. > >Excellent work figuring this out! > Thanks. Now you'll be able to finish your programs knowing theres a way to get them onto Minix. Plus there's other source availible. I've been looking on the net and even though it seems Minix isn't as widespread as Linix there does seem to be quite a bit of source. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:59:21 +0200 Reply-To: Pierre TESTORI Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Pierre TESTORI Subject: [TECH] Installtion of a PC card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I get a PC Card ZEUS, 56k Fax/Modem. I seatted the card in the pcmcia slot. How can I install the software that this PC Card will works ? Thanks, ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:46:07 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Programs may, as far as I know, write to stdout or to stderr. > stdout is redirected by the >, but not stderr. > But I think stderr can also be redirected. Does anyone know exactly > how? > I think it was something like > > command 2> out.txt As Barry wrote, that works in Unix, Linix, OS/2, and I believe some versions of windows. I think you need a replacement for COMMAND.COM to do this in DOS. (?? 4DOS ??) Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:56:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [TECH] Installtion of a PC card Comments: To: Pierre TESTORI In-Reply-To: <20020718120029.04CFFFC2F@smtp.vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:59:21 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I get a PC Card ZEUS, 56k Fax/Modem. > >I seatted the card in the pcmcia slot. > >How can I install the software that this PC Card will works ? > >Thanks, =46irst off- you need to make sure it uses less than 180 mA of current otherwise it won't work (150 is what is recommended by HP). then install either cic100.exe or lxcic in your autoexec.bat file Add either: d:\bin\cic100.exe /gen 1 or c:\directory\lxcic ls *note* replace directory with the current directory of lxcic I like lxcic because it uses much less memory than cic100 HTH John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:18:39 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix pcmcia Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002201c22d96$f4e3a860$d60d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:35:55 -0500, you wrote: >>> Does HP still give away that info? Its been 4 years since the LX >was >>> discontinued so probably not. > >Have you called them? > >Barry Heh- the obvious way to find out. No I haven't. I don't know where or who to call. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:20:01 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: [TECH] Installtion of a PC card MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry John, once again I forgot to correct the To: default. John Musielewicz wrote: > I like lxcic because it uses much less memory than cic100 That is nice but of no concern to me - what I do like is it telling me what kind of card it found. My normal AUTOEXEC is on A:\, booting from C:\ may mean there is a modem in the slot or only that I want to run DOS in a lot of memory but still need to access A: My AUTOEXEC on C: reads: prompt $p$g path c:\dos;d:\;d:\bin;d:\dos; abctsr REM d:\bin\cic100 /gen 1 lxcic /l if not errorlevel 04 goto keina if errorlevel 05 goto keina path a:\dos;%path% subst e: a:\ :keina c: Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:23:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:37 AM Subject: Re: bizarre observation On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:42:14 -0500, you wrote: >>I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day. >>About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read >>4:49. Once I realized it wasn't *really* almost time to go home, >>I became concerned. On closer inspection I noticed that the second >>hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds (not >>measured, estimated from memory). >> >>After a hard boot the closk speed was back to normal, and oddly >>enough the clock had the correct time. >> >>I've never seen or hard of anything like this--anyone else? Any >>ideas? Should I be concerned? > > Your hardware probably glitched out. If it starts happening all the > time its something to worry about but one instance is of no concern. > We all use equipment at least three years old so glitches will happen. I sure gotta disagree with that answer. It it was a "hardware" problem, once is a problem. Something is wrong. However the description of the problem makes it very likely to be a software problem. The RTC is read by DOS at boot time only and after that DOS keeps the time by adding interrupts. Speed up the interrupt system and DOS will think it's later than it is. While the interrupt speed is regulated by the PTI, that is controlled by software and possibly something set it at the wrong speed. Games do this all the time. So do music programs. If they're well written they compensate for it but they're not all well written. And when that happens, rebooting cures it. It's also possible that the memory area where DOS accumulates the time got overwritten by some program going astray. Offhand I'd guess this is more likely. Again, rebooting fixes this. DOS reads the clock again when it reboots and everything is fine. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:32:10 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Norton Commander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 18.07.02 2:59 PM +0200 Hi friends, I'm just looking at Norton Commander 4 and decided to replace the volkov commander. So many nice features in NV4! 1. the viewer app. "bitmap.exe" is a good supplement to lxpic: It displays interlaced gifs. LXPIC also diplays them, but doesn't deinterlace, so bitmap.exe draws them nicer. 2. There is a link feature in NC4, which seems to acts similar to the filer link: You can put it into server or client mode. I haven't tried it, but it might be a good alternative to filer when transfering files between the palmtop and another machine. NC4 is more common and certainly freely available on "abandonware" sites, unlike the connectivity pack or Transfile. 3. The 123view.exe viewer is also nice! No need to load the big 1-2-3 application to just view a wk1. And you can view it totally write-protected. ;-) 4. Can open ZIPs and look into them. However, I coudln't find a way to e.g. view files inside a ZIP without manually unzipping them. Is this possible somehow with NC? Unfortunately, NC4 takes up about ten times the disk space volkov commander needs. But I decided it's wirth the space for me. Needs almost 2 MB. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:43:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [TECH] Installtion of a PC card In-Reply-To: <3D36C081.5A0AA4E9@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:20:01 +0200, you wrote: >Sorry John, once again I forgot to correct the To: default. > >John Musielewicz wrote: >> I like lxcic because it uses much less memory than cic100 > >That is nice but of no concern to me - what I do like is it telling me >what kind of card it found. My normal AUTOEXEC is on A:\, booting from >C:\ may mean there is a modem in the slot or only that I want to run DOS >in a lot of memory but still need to access A: I could see how it might be useful for that but since the LX only runs c if there is no flash card with a autoexec and config file in the slot a person could simply keep a differant autoexec and config on c than on a. Since it is best to keep two flash cards- one for backups and one for running programs, it won't interfer with backups. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:46:51 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Norton Commander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > NC4 is more common and > certainly freely available on "abandonware" sites, unlike the > connectivity pack or Transfile. Are you sure? I had Norton down as commercial, proprietary and expensive, which is why I stopped using the NC 1.0 that came to me somehow and payed the fair shareware rate for Volkov instead. If NC is legally and honestly free, could you add it to SUPER? I keep recommending solutions involving Volkov here and would prefer being able to give free hints (well the hints are free anyway :-) Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:57:09 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files In-Reply-To: <200206170850.PNR05261@netmedia.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > So I made a boot floppy with "ctty aux1" in the autoexec.bat=20 You were lucky it was not one of those 'idiot proofed' bios systems that = say "keyboard error - press F1 to continue". The guys that created that = should have been dragged into the courtyard and beaten with rubber = hoses. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:09:38 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/18/02 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: >Your hardware probably glitched out. If it starts happening all the >time its something to worry about but one instance is of no concern. >We all use equipment at least three years old so glitches will happen. Hmmmm.... I don't think this is good advice, sorry. This is not exactly a matter of flexibility. Either you have hardware that works, or it does not. If it displays "glitches" then there IS a problem, regardless of you defining it as a glitch and dismissing it. The problems simply ignore your opinions, John. I think that the strange behaviour deserves investigation, not a dismissal. At least there should be some attempt to determine if it is a hardware problem or a software problem. BTW, IMHO it is more likely (probabilities, mind you!) to be a software problem which CAN be of a transient nature since the software could be modified in memory for many reasons. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:43:52 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718110443.01d8f950@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > At 7/18/02 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > >Your hardware probably glitched out. If it starts happening all the > >time its something to worry about but one instance is of no concern. > >We all use equipment at least three years old so glitches will = happen. >=20 > Hmmmm.... I don't think this is good advice, sorry. This is not = exactly a > matter of flexibility. Either you have hardware that works, or it=20 > does not. > If it displays "glitches" then there IS a problem, regardless of you > defining it as a glitch and dismissing it. The problems simply ignore = your > opinions, John. I have have heard that an occasional stray cosmic ray, background = radiation or nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1. = This is why parity checking memory was created 'cause the more memory = you have the more likely an error like this could occur. It is possible = that something like this could be a one time only hardware event that = can be ignored if it does not happen again... no? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:47:39 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! > I wonder what happened to the original message - I never saw it on HPLX> I > am guessing it came from John M because of the mention of the 440MB card. > Twasn't me!! It was Chris Lott. Sorry to hear about the heating problems but its not unexpected. The higher current cards do get hotter. That is one reason why it is pretty useless to up the current of the pcmcia port more than about 250 mA. The cards that use more current will simply cook the LX and I'd bet there would be all kinds of problems. Of course if someone invented a chiller for pcmcia cards that fit in the LX along with the card the sky would be the limit!!! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:17:13 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! In-Reply-To: <006c01c22e7e$2ce5a640$0dfcf7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hard heard many years ago about new hard drive technologies where the = platter would be made of glass instead of metal. This was supposed to = create very power efficient hard drives. I wonder what ever happened to = that. I guess that glass just can't be made sturdy enough in a cost = efficient way. Maybe when holographic memory becames ubiquitous(whew! thank goodness = for the collins dic.) we'll have large capacity low power external = storage .. or maybe some third party will make a low power microdrive = like Aacton did with ethernet. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > John Musielewicz > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:48 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Avi Meshar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! >=20 >=20 > > I wonder what happened to the original message - I never saw it=20 > on HPLX> I > > am guessing it came from John M because of the mention of the=20 > 440MB card. > > >=20 > Twasn't me!! It was Chris Lott. Sorry to hear about the heating=20 > problems but > its not unexpected. The higher current cards do get hotter. That is = one > reason why it is pretty useless to up the current of the pcmcia port = more > than about 250 mA. The cards that use more current will simply cook = the LX > and I'd bet there would be all kinds of problems. Of course if someone > invented a chiller for pcmcia cards that fit in the LX along with the = card > the sky would be the limit!!! >=20 > John >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:18:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, the batteries (as always) would be the limit ;) -----Original Message----- From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:48 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Of course if someone invented a chiller for pcmcia cards that fit in the LX along with the card the sky would be the limit!!! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:58:43 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <006c01c22e7e$2ce5a640$0dfcf7a5@libretto> from "John Musielewicz" at Jul 18, 2002 11:47:39 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Twasn't me!! It was Chris Lott. Sorry to hear about the heating problems but > its not unexpected. The higher current cards do get hotter. That is one > reason why it is pretty useless to up the current of the pcmcia port more > than about 250 mA. If this is the real limit of the HP200, then this new microdrive might work. It has a maximum draw of 250mA. For some reason I thought the palmtop limit was considerably lower... -Chris -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:25 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Norton Commander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel 02h21m ago Axel Berger wrote: > Are you sure? I had Norton down as commercial, proprietary and > expensive, which is why I stopped using the NC 1.0 that came to me > somehow and payed the fair shareware rate for Volkov instead. If NC is > legally and honestly free, could you add it to SUPER? I keep No, I am not sure. I just thought so, because so many people use it. ;-) Also, I put the word abandonware intentionally into quotation marks... Unless someone can proof it is legal, I won't put it on SUPER. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:52:20 -0600 Reply-To: Bob Christopher Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Christopher Subject: Rhyming dictionary for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce, WordPerfect 5.x offered a Rhymer program that worked in EMS/XMS RAM, much like the Colliers and other dictionaries do. I have the Rhymer program if anyone wants it they can contact me off list at bob@palmtop.com Bob > Does anybody know of a rhyming dictionary for my hp200lx? > I haven't tried any of them, but there are three listed on this download > page: > http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/22/13.html > Good luck, andd let us know what you find! > Bruce in Toronto Bob Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com Palmtop Computers . Minox Cameras . All The Small Stuff ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:22:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like software engineers are attempting to beat me up. You guys talk like you've never worked with hardware. Guys, hardware is not 100% certain. It does glitch out. A one time bad connection, a transistor that has a one time bad switch, a filtering cap that for some reason stops filtering or a whole array- shoot even a bit of stray static wandering around under the right conditions could've caused the problem- there are numourous occasions when it can happen. What? Do you think just because nodes are protected against static none can ever get in there? Do you really think your protection actually works? The environment consistantly throughs up interesting quircks to sound engineering practices baffling competent scientists, engieers and technicians with a- "how the hell did that happen?!?" I suppose if one lived in a box one wouldn't know this though. You have to remeber your dealing with extremely complex bits of electronics in these silly things. The fact is is that hardware is pretty good and it has been designed very well with many improvemnets in the past twenty years but it is not perfect. Live with it. Hardware does screw up on one time occurances and most of the time its not a big deal. Have you never heard of gremlins:-)? The day it either works or it doesn't (and when it doesn't work its failed) arrives I'll be long dead and buried:-). Like I said if it doesn't happen again under the same conditions say in a month ignore it. Its noi a problem and probably means nothing. Of course if it starts happening on a regular basis then find out whats causing it and fix it. I think I'll go gambling now. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not if they used the adapter:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! > No, the batteries (as always) would be the limit ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:48 AM > To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! > > > Of course if someone > invented a chiller for pcmcia cards that fit in the LX along with the card > the sky would be the limit!!! > > John > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:44:29 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: Rhyming dictionary for LX Comments: To: Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi; The best rhyming dictionary I've ever seen is WordPerfect Rhymer. It's very hard to find, but works quite well on the 200LX. It's a TSR, and lets you find rhymes in any part of the word for as many syllables as you want, even phonetically, with a fairly large number of words in it's dictionary. There's also a Windoze version that was included with Novell PerfectOffice 3.0. Good luck. Regards, Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:54:13 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Seudonimo" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > I have have heard that an occasional stray cosmic ray, > background radiation or nearby electric fields can switch > a bit from 1/0 to 0/1. This is why parity checking memory > was created 'cause the more memory you have the more > likely an error like this could occur. It is possible that > something like this could be a one time only hardware > event that can be ignored if it does not happen again... no? Maybe my boss was narrow minded but he never let me get away with blaming a bug on cosmic rays. The fact is we're running all kinds of software in these systems and some of it might have bugs. Some of it might interfere with other programs that are running. We know there are some bugs in the BIOS. A lot of our software assumes this is a PC but it isn't really a normal PC and that can sometimes cause problems. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:59:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > Have you never heard of gremlins:-)? The day it either works or it doesn't > (and when it doesn't work its failed) arrives I'll be long dead and > buried:-). Personally I think it was a moth trapped in one of the relays. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:05:25 -0500 Reply-To: Ed Keefe Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ed Keefe Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many years ago, I recall that I was testing what turned out to be an ill-behaved DOS program ( IIRC it was a "clock" program) that caused the clock in Appt Mgr to run at about twice its normal speed. That was one program that we did not recommend to readers of The HP Palmtop Paper. The problem was cured by rebooting the system. (Not sure if it required a hard reset or not: too many years ago). I do recall the program worked just fine on the DOS desktop that I had. Figured that it must have been something in the SysMgr program that was upset when I ran the DOS program under it. We never did figure out the cause of the super fast SysMgr clock was never able to duplicate it with any other software. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:38:32 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: >I have have heard that an occasional stray cosmic ray, background >radiation or nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1. This >is why parity checking memory was created 'cause the more memory you have >the more likely an error like this could occur. It is possible that >something like this could be a one time only hardware event that can be >ignored if it does not happen again... no? You describe well what can cause software problems. I don't see how it works on hardware, sorry. Ignoring hardware problems is still bad advice. It is sloppy advice. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:48:26 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: Chris Lott In-Reply-To: <200207181758.g6IHwiaI007583@mail.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/18/02 -0500, Chris Lott wrote: > > Twasn't me!! It was Chris Lott. Sorry to hear about the heating > problems but > > its not unexpected. The higher current cards do get hotter. That is one > > reason why it is pretty useless to up the current of the pcmcia port more > > than about 250 mA. > >If this is the real limit of the HP200, then this new microdrive >might work. It has a maximum draw of 250mA. For some reason I thought >the palmtop limit was considerably lower... I think John typoed 150mAh into a 250. I believe you are correct and the nominal limit is 150mAh for the P{almtop. You can push it a bit, but it is inadvisable as the additional draw simply heats the palmtop, as you know. avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:04:53 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET In-Reply-To: <007a01c22e88$2dc65dc0$0dfcf7a5@libretto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/18/02 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > > >Seems like software engineers are attempting to beat me up. Sorry you took it as a beating. It looks like Barry and I think alike in many ways. We have worried about it for years! If you give people advice here, and I think you should, because you know A LOT(!!!) it is hoped that you will not lead them astray. Giving the impression that the weird clock pace was a hardware "glitch" and that it went away was creating a false expectation and as such it was bad advice. A hardware glitch is WELL WORTH checking out. If it can be determined to be transient, great. Otherwise, if no cause for the phenomenon can be determined, I would suggest taking more defensive steps such as additional backups, and so on. Besides, that problem looked more like a glitch in software - Eduardo's "occasional stray cosmic ray, background radiation or nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1"! >You guys talk like you've never worked with hardware. Guys, hardware is >not 100% certain. That is why you want to make sure that it is not a permanent issue, not just dismiss it in a guess, sight unseen. Imagine how you would feel if your doctor dismissed your description of a pain - sight unseen - as a "glitch". >Do you really think your protection actually works? So far certain kinds of protections I use work well. But I am VERY dillegent about it, and do not dismiss anything as a glitch ... >Like I said if it doesn't happen again under the same conditions say in a >month ignore it. Its noi a problem and probably means nothing. Of course if >it starts happening on a regular basis then find out whats causing it and >fix it. That is the heart of the bad advice, you nailed it! >I think I'll go gambling now. Yes, maybe you'll get rich and be able to finance many many more wonderful experiments on the Palmtop and share them with us. That's useful. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:34:51 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718153529.00a3e020@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > >I have have heard that an occasional stray cosmic ray, background > >radiation or nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1. This > >is why parity checking memory was created 'cause the more memory you have > >the more likely an error like this could occur. It is possible that > >something like this could be a one time only hardware event that can be > >ignored if it does not happen again... no? > > You describe well what can cause software problems. I don't see how it > works on hardware, sorry. I don't understand what you mean. The kinds of problems Eduardo described are not software problems. A software problem is a problem with a program itself. Replicate the configuration that led to the initial problem, and a real software problem will recur. Radiation (whether cosmic rays or terrestrial background radiation) flipping bits in memory is not a software problem; rather, it is a hardware problem that will cause problems in currently running software, just like all sufficiently bad hardware problems. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:39:33 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718154901.00a3d7a0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > Besides, that problem looked more like a glitch in software - > Eduardo's "occasional stray cosmic ray, background radiation or > nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1"! This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. After Eduardo's post I thought about it for awhile. At first glance I thought a radiation flipped bit would not be a hardware issue, but after thinking about it for a while concluded it really is. After all, the physical state of the register represents the bit. The software just controls writes to and reads from it. It's awfully close to software, but not quite there. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:00:04 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Comments: To: theise@NETINS.NET In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/18/02 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: >On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Besides, that problem looked more like a glitch in software - > > Eduardo's "occasional stray cosmic ray, background radiation or > > nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1"! > >This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding >cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. I agree with you, it is an interesting topic. But I feel it coming on! This topic will create a bandwidth congestion of monumental proportions! And so I take the opportunity to make you the person to receive my last post on the topic! I don't want to contribute more to this... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:58:49 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodore Heise" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) > On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Besides, that problem looked more like a glitch in software - > > Eduardo's "occasional stray cosmic ray, background radiation or > > nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1"! > > This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding > cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. > > After Eduardo's post I thought about it for awhile. At first glance > I thought a radiation flipped bit would not be a hardware issue, but > after thinking about it for a while concluded it really is. After all, > the physical state of the register represents the bit. The software > just controls writes to and reads from it. It's awfully close to > software, but not quite there. I've always heard that cosmic rays can turn a bit but that it's extremely unlikely. I've heard that from enough people who usually know what they're talking about that I think I believe it's true. I'm not sure if cosmic rays are the reason for parity checking but it might be one of the reasons. My guess is that the main reason for parity checking is to help increase confidence in computers and their results. Any of us who have used computers with parity checking for any length of time know how very uncommon parity errors in memory are. I've seen them twice and both times it was due to defective memory. Chips gone bad. As far as I know core memory didn't go bad. At least not in the years that I worked on computers with core memory. And they all had parity checking. And I never saw a parity error on one. I think we can conclude that cosmic rays are pretty inept when it comes to turning bits. For those of you who don't know about core memory, it's what computers (mainframes, this was way before PC's came along) used be fore there was chip memory. Each bit was a little metal donut with wires passing through it which could set or read it's magnetic state. Polarity I think, but I'm not sure. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:00:42 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) > At 7/18/02 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: > >On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > > > Besides, that problem looked more like a glitch in software - > > > Eduardo's "occasional stray cosmic ray, background radiation or > > > nearby electric fields can switch a bit from 1/0 to 0/1"! > > > >This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding > >cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. > > I agree with you, it is an interesting topic. But I feel it coming on! This > topic will create a bandwidth congestion of monumental proportions! And so > I take the opportunity to make you the person to receive my last post on > the topic! I don't want to contribute more to this... Nah! I think we've run out of things to say about it. It's almost over. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:16:03 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding > cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. > After Eduardo's post I thought about it for awhile. At first glance I > thought a radiation flipped bit would not be a hardware issue, but > after thinking about it for a while concluded it really is. After > all, the physical state of the register represents the bit. The > software just controls writes to and reads from it. It's awfully > close to software, but not quite there. I think you're right. It's just like any other hardware problem -- whether it's caused by a defective part, or a power surge, or a spill of orange juice onto the CPU ... whatever the reason the hardware "glitches," ultimately all problems with hardware manifest themselves by causing software to stop running, or to otherwise malfunction in some way. But that doesn't make them "software problems." ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:22:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Comments: To: Ian Butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Butler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) > On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > > > This is an interesting topic. I've heard the same claim regarding > > cosmic rays, and it seems reasonable from my scientific training. > > After Eduardo's post I thought about it for awhile. At first glance I > > thought a radiation flipped bit would not be a hardware issue, but > > after thinking about it for a while concluded it really is. After > > all, the physical state of the register represents the bit. The > > software just controls writes to and reads from it. It's awfully > > close to software, but not quite there. > > I think you're right. It's just like any other hardware problem -- > whether it's caused by a defective part, or a power surge, or a spill of > orange juice onto the CPU ... whatever the reason the hardware "glitches," > ultimately all problems with hardware manifest themselves by causing > software to stop running, or to otherwise malfunction in some way. But > that doesn't make them "software problems." Well, The computer is hardware. The programs are software. The BIOS is firmware. The last illustration I remember seeing of cosmic rays makes me wonder if they wouldn't be classified as vaporware. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:38:48 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: software glitch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Someone posted something about a glitch with the clock on the 200lx. A while back I noticed something similar....I noticed that the clock showed strange things when when booting up....Battman would have strange readings. By the time booting finished the clock would be back to normal. Could it be that you are checking the time before the boot up completes? Maybe your copy of battman is corrupt? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:33:04 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: FLUFF!!! RE: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > After Eduardo's post I thought about it for awhile. At first glance > I thought a radiation flipped bit would not be a hardware issue, but > after thinking about it for a while concluded it really is. After = all, > the physical state of the register represents the bit. The software > just controls writes to and reads from it. It's awfully close to > software, but not quite there. We've hit upon a grey area where the normal rules just don't work to = describe the physical universe. It's kind of like when quantum mechanics = and relativity overlap. Has anybody seen the latest sci-am magazine? Now = they think that there is no dark matter. They think that gravity changes = at cosmolical distances so that it is actually MORE attractive than it = would be thought to be given what we know from relativity.... wacky = stuff. I was starting to like the idea that most of the universe was = made out of some stuff that we can't identify.=20 BTW: Cosmic rays are produced by enourmously energetic events in outer = space. Maybe a collision between neutron stars caused the original = glitch. =20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:44:27 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is > figured out!!! At least it works!!! Could it be the double-speed upgrade that keeps more than 300baud working? Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:05:09 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > The RTC is read by DOS at boot time only and > after that DOS keeps the time by adding interrupts. Well this is true for a normal DOS system like a desktop but I wonder if it is true for the LX? Even a normal DOS pc can load a clock driver that will cause the RTC to be reread for each clock reference. I wouldn't be surprised if the LX had a hardware clock that gets read every time. The LX's clock seems far more accurate than any DOS clock (or pc RTC) that I've known. I sometime don't reboot the LX for a couple of weeks yet the clock doesn't seem to drift much at all. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:12:53 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Russel Brooks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Brooks" To: "Barry" ; Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > Barry wrote: > > The RTC is read by DOS at boot time only and > > after that DOS keeps the time by adding interrupts. > > Well this is true for a normal DOS system like a desktop but I > wonder if it is true for the LX? Even a normal DOS pc can load > a clock driver that will cause the RTC to be reread for each > clock reference. I wouldn't be surprised if the LX had a > hardware clock that gets read every time. The LX's clock seems > far more accurate than any DOS clock (or pc RTC) that I've > known. I sometime don't reboot the LX for a couple of weeks yet > the clock doesn't seem to drift much at all. I don't know all the ins and outs of it but I have sped up the PIT to do music and graphics at higher resolution. While I was setting that up and before I intercepted int 8 to keep it's rate constant the DOS clock did get ahead of itself. I've also seen a couple of old freeware games that make the clock run faster while they're running. It might be that DOS checks the RTC from time to time, but not very often, if it does. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:14:31 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Russel Brooks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Brooks" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > Barry wrote: > > The RTC is read by DOS at boot time only and > > after that DOS keeps the time by adding interrupts. > > Well this is true for a normal DOS system like a desktop but I > wonder if it is true for the LX? Even a normal DOS pc can load > a clock driver that will cause the RTC to be reread for each > clock reference. I wouldn't be surprised if the LX had a > hardware clock that gets read every time. The LX's clock seems > far more accurate than any DOS clock (or pc RTC) that I've > known. I sometime don't reboot the LX for a couple of weeks yet > the clock doesn't seem to drift much at all. Do you know of a driver or situation where the RTC is read with every access of the DOS clock? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:13:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Omnigo 100 serial port MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 19.07.02 07:52 AM +0200 Hi friends, how can I explicitly enable the serial port of the Omnibo 100? I would like to test if my LED light works for the Omnigo 100, actually it should, but I need to power the serial port! Do DOS TSRs work on the Omnigo 100 (Stefan's Lighton especially)? Thanks Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:49:07 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris 15h01m ago Chris Lott wrote: > If this is the real limit of the HP200, then this new microdrive > might work. It has a maximum draw of 250mA. For some reason I thought > the palmtop limit was considerably lower... > Well, everyone speaks about the limit of 150 mA, but that applies to constant current drain, but if you only have peaks which are higher, everything might still work. The 250mA limit may be related to the peaks. But of course the frequency of occurence of these peaks is also important (building an effectively higher constant current drain!) We should do more tests with the new MDs! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:34:05 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/19/02 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: >Hi Chris > >15h01m ago Chris Lott wrote: > > > If this is the real limit of the HP200, then this new microdrive > > might work. It has a maximum draw of 250mA. For some reason I thought > > the palmtop limit was considerably lower... > >Well, everyone speaks about the limit of 150 mA, but that applies to >constant current drain, but if you only have peaks which are higher, >everything might still work. The 250mA limit may be related to the peaks. It needs much more than 150mAh sustained. To WRITE it takes 250mA at idle 20mA. Even reading was causing the palmtop to heat up on the adapter. (I mean really hot beyond comfort...) >We should do more tests with the new MDs! You can get them for about $200-250 now for the big boy! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:51:16 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barry wrote: > I've always heard that cosmic rays can turn a bit but that it's > extremely unlikely. I've heard that from enough people who usually > know what they're talking about that I think I believe it's true. > > I'm not sure if cosmic rays are the reason for parity checking but > it might be one of the reasons. My guess is that the main reason > for parity checking is to help increase confidence in computers and > their results. > > Any of us who have used computers with parity checking for any > length of time know how very uncommon parity errors in memory are. > I've seen them twice and both times it was due to defective memory. > Chips gone bad. > > As far as I know core memory didn't go bad. At least not in the > years that I worked on computers with core memory. And they all > had parity checking. And I never saw a parity error on one. I > think we can conclude that cosmic rays are pretty inept when it > comes to turning bits. > > For those of you who don't know about core memory, it's what > computers (mainframes, this was way before PC's came along) used be > fore there was chip memory. Each bit was a little metal donut with > wires passing through it which could set or read it's magnetic > state. Polarity I think, but I'm not sure. Barry, One of the amusing things about NASA is its requirements for accrediting computers for use in space. As newer, "better" technologies come along they are almost always using smaller logic designs. The current computers are 486 class (or were a couple of years ago) as the finer IC components on Pentium class computers were too sensitive to radiation. Yes, core memory was used for a long time after is was otherwise obsolete due to its inherent ability to withstand EMP effects from nuclear blasts and the like. You can see the cores and wires which make up the matrix of memory cells with your naked eye. Try that with the current run of SRAM, DRAM, or flash memory chips. Physical size matters when you want to do damage with radiation (or just about anything else). NASA worrying about solar flares affecting the ISS or geosynchronous satellites or probes going through the radiation belts of Jupiter is one thing. The Air Force thinking about the effects of EMP from a nuclear attack are another. We common users are relatively lucky and can ignore these unlikely environments and just live with the gremlins, glitches, and bugs. Talk about your blast from the past, I own a core memory board from a long ago aborted "bright" idea. :) Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:37:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: Re: hardware vs. software (was: bizarre observation) > Talk about your blast from the past, I own a core memory > board from a long ago aborted "bright" idea. :) I almost, but didn't, mention in my post that I've seen core memory boards offered on Ebay. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:05:47 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruce 1 day 21h54m ago Bruce Martin wrote: > Daniel, since you are alse the Master of All LEDs, have you investigated > using white LED "side-lights" instead of a backlight? This would allow = you > to leave the reflective layer in place. No, I haven't. But it might indeed be possible. There is this metal frame around the LCD itself, which presses the LCD to the conductive rubber bars which sit on the PCB. It there isn'T enough space inside this frame, i.e. between frame and LCD, it could be possible to drill small holes in the metal frame for the LEDs. Another approach could be the following (maybe someone have tried or can otherwise comment): Build a backlight with LEDs. That would mean removinr the reflective layer, replacing it with something diffuse transparent, such as the paper to wrap bread into, and place these very small white SMD LEDs _behind_ it. An Array of 2*3 LEDs whould be enough, if the paper is diffuse enough. I think there should be enough space for thin SMD LEDs. But the question is how readable the screen would be without the light, i.e. if the transparent paper would be reflective enough. The big advantage would be that no inverter is needed and that easy to get LEDs are used instead of hard to find EL panels. Maybe I will try all this soon, but I have to see if I have the time for it. But as longer I think about it the more I prefer your idea with the LEDs from the side. Well, will look into it some time. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:26:13 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > Do you know of a driver or situation where the RTC is read with > every access of the DOS clock? I can't find one at the moment but I seem to remember one called $CLOCK.SYS. It was to be used when something kept screwing up the DOS clock and it couldn't be found or fixed. Of course reading the hardware clock often is a performance hit compared to reading the DOS clock (at least on desktops). Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:28:53 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight for LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried this. There isn't anything out there that fits between the lcd and the leds that will diffuse the light enough and still let enough light through to see the backlite. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Backlight for LX Build a backlight with LEDs. That would mean removinr the reflective layer, replacing it with something diffuse transparent, such as the paper to wrap bread into, and place these very small white SMD LEDs _behind_ it. An Array of 2*3 LEDs whould be enough, if the paper is diffuse enough. I think there should be enough space for thin SMD LEDs. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:50:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! Comments: To: Michael Kopplin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! > > Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is > > figured out!!! At least it works!!! > > Could it be the double-speed upgrade that keeps more than > 300baud working? > > Mike I don't know. I don't have a working single speed unit to test it on. There is that possiblity. Minix doesn't use dos tsrs so it could be the doublespeed driver isn't quite working properly for the serial port. I located some of the stuff Mack did but haven't found any additional code for doublespeed. John > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:54:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A better bet is a fiber optic backlighting panel but the problem with this is you need two large round leds and they don't fit it the hinge very well without messing with the screen cable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > I tried this. There isn't anything out there that fits between the lcd and > the leds that will diffuse the light enough and still let enough light > through to see the backlite. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Hertrich" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > > > Build a backlight with LEDs. That would mean removinr the reflective > layer, replacing it with something diffuse transparent, such as the > paper to wrap bread into, and place these very small white SMD LEDs > _behind_ it. An Array of 2*3 LEDs whould be enough, if the paper is > diffuse enough. I think there should be enough space for thin SMD LEDs. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:06:33 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How about radium-and-phosphor paint? But seriously, most backlight schemes will greatly decrease battery life, and isn't long battery life one of the reasons we stay with the LX? IMHO, a good, even, low-power _external_ light would be sufficient for those times when the screen can't be read due to ambient darkness. An external source does add one more gadget to carry, though. -----Original Message----- From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:55 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Backlight for LX A better bet is a fiber optic backlighting panel but the problem with this is you need two large round leds and they don't fit it the hinge very well without messing with the screen cable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > I tried this. There isn't anything out there that fits between the lcd and > the leds that will diffuse the light enough and still let enough light > through to see the backlite. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Hertrich" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > > > Build a backlight with LEDs. That would mean removinr the reflective > layer, replacing it with something diffuse transparent, such as the > paper to wrap bread into, and place these very small white SMD LEDs > _behind_ it. An Array of 2*3 LEDs whould be enough, if the paper is > diffuse enough. I think there should be enough space for thin SMD LEDs. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:48:44 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight for LX Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's why you need to be able to turn it off. Then it is only used when needed and doesn't hit battery life at all.=20 On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:06:33 -0600, you wrote: >How about radium-and-phosphor paint? > >But seriously, most backlight schemes will greatly decrease battery = life, >and isn't long battery life one of the reasons we stay with the LX? = IMHO, a >good, even, low-power _external_ light would be sufficient for those = times >when the screen can't be read due to ambient darkness. An external = source >does add one more gadget to carry, though. > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET] >Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:55 PM >To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU >Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > > >A better bet is a fiber optic backlighting panel but the problem with = this >is you need two large round leds and they don't fit it the hinge very = well >without messing with the screen cable. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:28 PM >Subject: Re: Backlight for LX > > >> I tried this. There isn't anything out there that fits between the lcd= and >> the leds that will diffuse the light enough and still let enough light >> through to see the backlite. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Hertrich" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:05 AM >> Subject: Re: Backlight for LX >> >> >> Build a backlight with LEDs. That would mean removinr the reflective >> layer, replacing it with something diffuse transparent, such as the >> paper to wrap bread into, and place these very small white SMD LEDs >> _behind_ it. An Array of 2*3 LEDs whould be enough, if the paper is >> diffuse enough. I think there should be enough space for thin SMD = LEDs. >> >> ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >> >> > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:56:01 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive and HP200LX! Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718154625.00a39ec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:48:26 -0500, you wrote: >At 7/18/02 -0500, Chris Lott wrote: >> > Twasn't me!! It was Chris Lott. Sorry to hear about the heating >> problems but >> > its not unexpected. The higher current cards do get hotter. That is = one >> > reason why it is pretty useless to up the current of the pcmcia port= more >> > than about 250 mA. >> >>If this is the real limit of the HP200, then this new microdrive >>might work. It has a maximum draw of 250mA. For some reason I thought >>the palmtop limit was considerably lower... > >I think John typoed 150mAh into a 250. I believe you are correct and the >nominal limit is 150mAh for the P{almtop. You can push it a bit, but it = is >inadvisable as the additional draw simply heats the palmtop, as you = know. > 250 is presently about the measured max the power supply can handle on AC and cards that use that much don't work very well but they do work. I don't recommend going over 180 since that seems to be the measured max where cards still work properly. I think that if a person goes over 180 they shorten the life of the power supply. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:47:43 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: more LED lights available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 19.07.02 8:35 PM +0200 Hi friends, I made one more batch of LED lights (I'm surprised how much demand there still is! :-) ), so I can still accept some orders. I also have a few lights which are not as good as the others, because of differences of the two used LEDs which results in two light dots of different intensity. I sell these lights cheaper than the others. They are still usable, but may not be as convenient as the normal ones. So, here are the prices: Good LED light: 35 US$ plus shipping Not so good LED light: 29 US$ plus shipping. Shipping is 6 US$ to anywhere in the world as a normal letter, 8 US$ with registration, which is safer, of course. These 35 US$ are a special price for you list members, for other people the price is higher (see my homepage), so if you order one, please let me know that you are on this mailing list, otherwise I will ask you to pay 45 US$ per LED light. One of several reasons for the higher price is the very low US$/EUR rate at the moment, so I actually had to adapt my prices. Thanks! daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:05:26 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: ROT: Chocolate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heh- I thought I'd post something really off topic ralating to absoilutely nothing about the LX and nowhere near even computers! Has anyone tried Chocolat Lindt Bittersweet chocolate? It seems a little sweet for bittersweet and melts fast but IMO its not bad. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:20:05 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: FYI: Backlight tsr was Re: Backlight for LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just so everyone knows I released a backlighting on/off controlling tsr to Daniel to put on the super site. So with that every backlight can have an on/off control as long as its built into the backlight circuitry and uses a 5V TTL signal. It controls gpio line # 26. It has been modified to work properly with the 3M RDF-C and TDF transflective films which invert the screen when the backlight is on. John On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:48:44 -0500, you wrote: >That's why you need to be able to turn it off. Then it is only used >when needed and doesn't hit battery life at all.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:47:05 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: FYI: Backlight tsr was Re: Backlight for LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: FYI: Backlight tsr was Re: Backlight for LX Just so everyone knows I released a backlighting on/off controlling tsr to Daniel to put on the super site. So with that every backlight can have an on/off control as long as its built into the backlight ********************************************** John, All I can say is "wishful thinking". Being not so handy with the soldering iron, I don't guess I'll ever have a need for your tsr. Oh well... And I thought you were bragging yesterday when you said "Its a problem for me because my backlight doesn't work". bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:22:47 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Minix information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fri, 19.07.02 10:18 PM +0200 Hi friends, for those who work on Minix, I just found out that on mibilix.org there is a page about the 200LX mentioning Minix. Maybe this contains some useful links. http://mobilix.org/pda_linux_hp_lx200.html I will now download the latest Minix and see if I can contribute a little. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:33:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to find out if there is any interest in the charging modification. The reason is is the resistor pack board requires some specific skills to build plus some not easily availible components which we would like to supply and we are trying to figure out which is the most effective method of releasing this. #1 Should we release just the diagrams and instructions and leave it up to the individual to find the parts? A kind of here's the plans- you're on your own. #2 Should we buy hard to find components and dole them out as needed to the individual (for a fee of course) interested in doing the upgrade? We'll help a little. We are also considering: #3 Building the resistor pack board on request and selling it. This would allievate the most difficult part of the upgrade since everything else is easily availible at Mouser or Digikey. We'll put a great deal of time in. #4 Making a full fledged kit availible and selling it which along with the diagrams and instructions availible on Super could be taken to any competant computer technician with a dremel tool and soldering iron for installation. We'll give you all the help you'll need short of installing it for you. So, can people email me with thoughts on this and your interest in the upgrade. I would really like to know before I spend any money on parts whether anyone will want them. As to why a person would want the upgrade let me list a couple reasons. #1 It shortens the fast charge time extremely without adding heat to the motherboard which takes quite a load off the built-in fast charge circuit and power supply. This will extend the life of the motherboard since a lot of failures are due to heat. #2 If a person does not work near an outlet and uses the LX every day for long periods it can be extremely difficult to charge the battery inbetween use since it takes so long to charge. With the upgrade charging can esily be done while asleep and you'll have fully charged batteries the next morning. #3 Your batteries will last longer. Anyway as far as cost we'd probably sell a complete board for 25-35 dollars and a kit for 50. So, if a person used a computer tech to stall it, the upgrade would run at the most 150 dollars. But it is very easy for a person to install themselves. About a 15-20 miniute job most of time is grinding the nubs down and waiting for the epoxy to dry. The charging mod will void any warrenty you have with HP. I think your warrenty with Thaddeus will still be good but you'll need to check on that. Please email either jmusielewicz@earthlink.net or jm@bluebuzz.com with your reply. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:39:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: FYI: Backlight tsr was Re: Backlight for LX Comments: To: Bob Penick MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Musielewicz" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:20 PM > Subject: FYI: Backlight tsr was Re: Backlight for LX > > Just so everyone knows I released a backlighting on/off controlling > tsr to Daniel to put on the super site. So with that every backlight > can have an on/off control as long as its built into the backlight > ********************************************** > > John, > All I can say is "wishful thinking". Being not so handy with the soldering > iron, I don't guess I'll ever have a need for your tsr. > Oh well... B efore you give up you should get involved withe the do-it-yourself backlite kit. Any compentent computer tech could install it so you could simply take your lx to your local shop and have them do it. > And I thought you were bragging yesterday when you said "Its a problem for > me because my backlight doesn't work". > I wish I was. It sucks. I'm going to have to build backlite support into Minix. Also charging support. > bob > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:20:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: Minix information Fri, 19.07.02 10:18 PM +0200 Hi friends, for those who work on Minix, I just found out that on mibilix.org there is a page about the 200LX mentioning Minix. Maybe this contains some useful links. http://mobilix.org/pda_linux_hp_lx200.html I will now download the latest Minix and see if I can contribute a little. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:25:50 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Mike You could very well be righ!!. I think the doublespeed stuff for the screen only needs to be set once then the rest of the stuff is monitored in case you change the speed using the keyboard. So it would still work under Minix. But I am not sure how the serial port is affected and if it needs to be constantly kept up to date by the tsr then it won't work under Minix. We actually may need to set the serial port speed on the LX to half of what it is set on the connected computer until we implement a doublespeed driver for Minix. Anyway I'll check it out the next time I have a chance. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Kopplin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Minix] Success!!! > > > > > Heh- I'm sure we'll be able to increase speeds once flow control is > > > figured out!!! At least it works!!! > > > > Could it be the double-speed upgrade that keeps more than > > 300baud working? > > > > Mike > > I don't know. I don't have a working single speed unit to test it on. There > is that possiblity. Minix doesn't use dos tsrs so it could be the > doublespeed driver isn't quite working properly for the serial port. I > located some of the stuff Mack did but haven't found any additional code for > doublespeed. > > John > > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:09:59 -0700 Reply-To: bobv Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: bobv Subject: Bad macro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an automatic backup macro that I have used for a couple years - no problem. A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) The problem seems to be in the wake up of the appointment. If I do a Fn + F1 with the computer on, it works fine - so I guess the problem is not with the macro, but is with the appointment that calls the macro. Has anyone else had this problem? Solutions? Thanks, Bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:54:21 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > #1 Should we release just the diagrams and instructions and leave it up to > the individual to find the parts? A kind of here's the plans- you're on your > own. At first yes please. I should very much like to take a good look and get a grasp of what is involved. After that I may find I'd like some additional help. > The charging mod will void any warrenty you have with HP. I think your > warrenty with Thaddeus will still be good but you'll need to check on that. An important point for all those, whose units are less trhan six months or even two years old :-) Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:02:37 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Bad macro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bobv wrote: > A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the > computer. Sounds very nasty. Just one thing before you decide something serious is broken: Have your backup grown in size lately? If so, does a smaller one still work alright? Computers doing any kind of shutdown after a time often rely on keyboard input to recognize activity. A long time ago I had that problem in Windows - after two hours of "inactivity" and having finished three fourths of the download the modem was hung up :-( Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:04:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Bad macro Comments: To: bobv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobv" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:09 AM Subject: Bad macro > I have an automatic backup macro that I have used for a couple years - > no problem. > > A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the > computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then > have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) > > The problem seems to be in the wake up of the appointment. > > If I do a Fn + F1 with the computer on, it works fine - so I guess the > problem is not with the macro, but is with the appointment that calls > the macro. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Solutions? > > Thanks, > > Bob I have heard that the appointment book data base is easily corrupted. I have never used it so I don't know. Can you run something like garlic on it to check it? John > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:27:16 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey > John Musielewicz wrote: > > #1 Should we release just the diagrams and instructions and leave it up to > > the individual to find the parts? A kind of here's the plans- you're on your > > own. > At first yes please. I should very much like to take a good look and get > a grasp of what is involved. After that I may find I'd like some > additional help. Hmmm..how do you feel about building a resistor pack on a substrate? Do you feel comfortable with that? Or would you prefer to buy something like that. One nice thing is Joe Buford (who designed it) is willing to build them for people so if one didn't feel comfortable with it they could be availible. Plus he could build custom so a person could pretty much select what current he felt comfortable with (within reason of course- no 2 amp circuits for 1 hour chargers:-0). > > > The charging mod will void any warrenty you have with HP. I think your > > warrenty with Thaddeus will still be good but you'll need to check on that. > An important point for all those, whose units are less trhan six months > or even two years old :-) Yes. Considering Thaddeus has been finding new HPLXs frequently I felt this was important since they might actually still be under warrenty. HP is really strict about third party modifications. From what I remember of the Thaddeus warrenty it was much more flexible- but a person really should check to make sure. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:19:24 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Bad macro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob 03h06m ago bobv wrote: > A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the > computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then > have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) > Has anyone else had this problem? Yes. > Solutions? No. ;-) Well, I had a similar problem, something locked up the LX during the nightly backup, usually immediately after the macro began to execute. It executed a few keystrokes, then locked up, needing a hard reboot. I have not found a realy solution to that, so I stripped down the macro, put more intelligence into the batch, and although the macro should close all apps in sysmgr before calling the backup batch, I try to remember to close them manually in the evening, and I switch to SC work area 1, which is the sysmgr. Simce I have got used to this procedure, almost no lockups occur anymore. HTH daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:56:00 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Bad macro In-Reply-To: <002e01c22fe0$6d4ae5c0$70f9f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > From: "bobv" > > A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the > > computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then > > have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) > > > > The problem seems to be in the wake up of the appointment. > I have heard that the appointment book data base is easily > corrupted. I have never used it so I don't know. Can you run > something like garlic on it to check it? Perhaps better would be to run Curtis Cameron's dbcheck on it. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:02:14 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: bizarre observation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 17-07 17:42 EDT, you wrote: > I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day. > About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read > 4:49. Once I realized it wasn't *really* almost time to go home, > I became concerned. On closer inspection I noticed that the second > hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds (not > measured, estimated from memory). > > After a hard boot the closk speed was back to normal, and oddly > enough the clock had the correct time. > > I've never seen or hard of anything like this--anyone else? Any > ideas? Should I be concerned? My 2 cents: maybe the PIC (Programmable Interrupt Controler) has been set to generate interrupts with a short period, and wasn't reset correctly. I noticed this behaviour with some programs, and I already used this method to do precise timings (when I developed my profiler, for example). The PIC normally generates 1 interrupt every 55 ms, and the DOS catches it to update it's own clock. I developed a small TSR that redirects the calls to the DOS functions to get or set the time, and read or write the RTC clock instead of the DOS one (the RTC one isn't disturbed by the PIC). The drawback is that you can only have a time precision of 1 second, instead of 55 ms. My advice would be to launch your usual programs until you find the bad one. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:38:43 +1000 Reply-To: rhemery@POWERUP.COM.AU Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russell Hemery Subject: Re: Bad macro In-Reply-To: <3D390CC7.B4170E1D@sos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:09 AM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >I have an automatic backup macro that I have used for a couple years - >no problem. > >A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the >computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then >have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) > >The problem seems to be in the wake up of the appointment. > >If I do a Fn + F1 with the computer on, it works fine - so I guess the >problem is not with the macro, but is with the appointment that calls >the macro. > >Has anyone else had this problem? Solutions? Hi Is this anything to do with the problem of if the macro has a closefiler and the filer is already closed. => hangs the macro. I seem to recall that was fixed by including an openfiler before closefiler in the macro. I had the problem of a nightly backup and every now and then would get back to my lx with completely exhausted or almost exhausted batteries overnight. I dont do this anymore as I changed the way I use my LX and do manual backups to flash then transfer. I think I was advised via the list. Check the archives perhaps. Hope this sheds some light. Like did you start closing filer or do the mod to close filer? Regards Russell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:15:40 -0500 Reply-To: Hal Goldstein Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hal Goldstein Subject: Re: Factory made double-speed 200LX by H-P? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain <> Yes, HP did a special 2ble speed run, not sure the MHz. I believe it was for an Asian company. I sort of remember that it was for a Korean insurance company, but that could easily be wrong. Hal at Thaddeus ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500 Reply-To: Hal Goldstein Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hal Goldstein Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest surv ey Comments: cc: Wayne Kneeskern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain <> We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case basis often giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness goes both way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with palmtops with a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might choose not to honor the warranty. Hal at Thaddeus ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:13:55 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D39334D.34F909FC@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/20/02 +0200, Axel Berger wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: > [...that the charging modification will void HP's warranty but unclear re > Thaddeus warranty.] >An important point for all those, whose units are less trhan six months >or even two years old :-) I have a friend with three Palmtops, all were RELIGIOUSLY maintained under HP's EXPRESS EXCHANGE warranty at a considerable expense. One of her machines died about 2 weeks ago. She called for the exchange and HP said they will send her instead a "better machine Jornada 54p something, since no one uses the 200LX anymore and it is obsolete." This was just days before HP released the post-merger plan of what line of business goes away when, in which they also said that the Jornada line will be obsoleted by end of 2003, in favor of the iPaq. Aside from the fact that they broke the contract they have taken money for, they offered a machine that is NOT a similar replacement - the 540-somethings are all Palm Pilot-like, not keyboarded machines! So I am not sure if the warranty HP provided EVEN to NEW 200LX MACHINES are worth the paper that warranty is printed on. It is well worth checking on. This may be a good opportunity for Thaddeus to step in with their own extended warranty product. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:05:28 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: Re: jun2002? In-Reply-To: <3D39484C.D0996449@gov.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the Reminder! I just posted it. Al Kind Technical Lab Manager, Microchemistry Lab CANR 3113 Horsebarn U4193, Storrs CT 06269-4193 ph (860)486-6126 eFAX (413)826-8780 -----Original Message----- From: Zoran Vignjevic [mailto:zoranv@gov.yu] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 7:24 AM To: MCHEM1@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: jun2002? What's about archive jun2002? TIA Regards, Zoran ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:24:39 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: supressing command output in bat files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 18-07 08:46 EDT, you wrote: > Daniel Hertrich wrote: > >> Programs may, as far as I know, write to stdout or to stderr. >> stdout is redirected by the >, but not stderr. >> But I think stderr can also be redirected. Does anyone know exactly >> how? >> I think it was something like >> >> command 2> out.txt > > As Barry wrote, that works in Unix, Linix, OS/2, and I believe > some versions of windows. I think you need a replacement for > COMMAND.COM to do this in DOS. (?? 4DOS ??) Yes, 4DOS allows this. When I run something like stuff | more I usually use '|&' instead of the single '|' to have both stdout and stderr on the same screen, just like '2>&1 |' for bash players. 4DOS is a very good add-on for the HP200. Once you setup some good aliases, you can speed up your work by using only a few key strokes. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:35:23 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Norton Commander Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 18-07 09:32 EDT, you wrote: > Thu, 18.07.02 2:59 PM +0200 > > I'm just looking at Norton Commander 4 and decided to replace the > volkov commander. So many nice features in NV4! I use NC5. > 2. There is a link feature in NC4, which seems to acts similar to the > filer link: You can put it into server or client mode. I haven't tried > it, but it might be a good alternative to filer when transfering files > between the palmtop and another machine. NC4 is more common and > certainly freely available on "abandonware" sites, unlike the > connectivity pack or Transfile. NC is not free, it's still a commercial software. Maybe you're talking about warez sites? ;) > 3. The 123view.exe viewer is also nice! No need to load the big 1-2-3 > application to just view a wk1. And you can view it totally > write-protected. ;-) And you also have a WPVIEW, which seems to be able to display word docs also. I usually don't use it, and prefer the standard file viewer (alt+f3). > 4. Can open ZIPs and look into them. However, I coudln't find a way to > e.g. view files inside a ZIP without manually unzipping them. Is this > possible somehow with NC? With NC5 yes. You can display, move, copy, delete files inside zip archives. > Unfortunately, NC4 takes up about ten times the disk space volkov > commander needs. But I decided it's wirth the space for me. Needs > almost 2 MB. NC5 takes about 5 MB. Volkov Commander lacks some features of NC5, but that really doesn't matter, as the most important (view, lxpic, ...) is freely available, and much smaller. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:54:57 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Looking for alternate off-line LX web reading (for news sites). MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Does anyone have a program or programs set up to grab and download lots of news-related websites w/ a PC (a Windows program would be OK ) and stick them in a directory on a CF card that's set up w/ directory hierarchy, etc. for proper reading in HV on the LX? The ideal solution would scrap or avoid big graphics (might as well save space) and set up sep. directories for each website and have settings that allowed you to give it parameters in "digging" down to sub-levels (linked stories) like, "Go down as many layers as you need, as long as you don't leave that website or exceed xxxx KB or one minute's searching" etc. Obviously it wouldn't take "sentence based" instruction, but those are the sort of options I'd like to see in the selection buttons. I'm sure that there are Robo-(fill in blank) solutions for running on the LX, but I'm hoping for a solution that doesn't require me to run it on the LX. I don't have my settings all right for robo-anything at the moment and there are times I want more news, etc. than AvantGo can supply to the Palm Pilot I have duct-taped to my LX (the only solution I can find, for all I do, is to use both ). TIA for any help! --tim PS. OK, so no duct tape is involved, BUT that *would* make a great conversation piece! Tim Raymond ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:12:25 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Looking for alternate off-line LX web reading (for news sites). In-Reply-To: <000a01c23005$d01c71d0$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Does anyone have a program or programs set up to grab and download lots of > news-related websites w/ a PC (a Windows program would be OK ) and > stick them in a directory on a CF card that's set up w/ directory hierarchy, > etc. for proper reading in HV on the LX? Check out www.sitescooper.org although the website doesn't respond at this moment. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:28:24 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, I don't know anything about what would be involved, hardware-wise, to replace the ROMs. But I am sure it would be very difficult to modify the programs in ROM. This is because the programming there is a giant pile of spagetti. Not because of bad programming practice, though, but because of the very nature of how the ROM's work. The programs there eXecute-In-Place (XIP) meaning that the code runs right out of the ROMs and is not loaded into RAM. This is accomplished by using bank switching techniques similar to those used by Expanded memory to page in one 16K (I think) section of the 3MB of rom at a time. So, programs are written to work in 16K chunks of code and then to chain to other chunks of code by initiating a bank switch. I suspect this will be very hard to decompile and reverse engineer patches into. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:28:26 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, two other pieces of trivia I forgot to mention: 1. The first 95LX's and 100LX's (and maybe even the 200LXs) off of the assembly line had One-Time-Programmable ROM's in them which were programmed later via a special card plugged into the PCMCIA slot. This allowed HP to start the assembly line before the software was finished. And it shows how tightly scheduled the process was to develop and produce the first palmtops. After the software was finalized, it was built into regular ROM's and installed into the palmtops on the assembly line. 2. The prototype 95's and 100's did not have any ROM in them at all. They had the ability for a memory card plugged into the PCMCIA slot to emulate the ROM's that would be on the motherboard. This allowed HP to write/modify the software, put it on a memory card, and then easily test it in a palmtop. I originally assumed the memory card was a flash card, but I am having second thoughts and feel that it may have been a SRAM card. Flash cards work through an IDE-type interface and appear to the hardware as a disk drive. SRAM cards are just straight memory that is mapped into the processor's address space a chunk at a time (or some similar scheme to this). This is why I think it would have been easier for an SRAM card to emulate the bank switched ROMs and the XIP programs I mentioned in my other Email. But I am really not sure if the ROM emulator card was flash or SRAM. BTW, this fundamental difference between flash cards and SRAM cards is why many notebooks with PCMCIA slots (particularly with Win95) do not automatically recognize SRAM cards until special support for SRAM is loaded. A driver is required to make the flat memory space of the SRAM card appear to work like a storage device. For flash cards, this is built into the flash cards in the form of a tiny IDE controller interface. Flash cards at the connector look just like an IDE (or ATA) hard disk. BTW2, this points out the difference between a regular flash card (like CompactFlash) and a SmartMedia flash card. The SM cards do not have the IDE controller on them - they are just the memory chips. This explains why there are only a few connections on an SM card. They rely on the device they are plugged into to provide all of the hardware to interface the flash chips. The theory was this would allow the SM cards to be smaller and cheaper. But it also built in an incompatability with the devices (cameras mostly) that had older controllers that would only support up to a certain sized card. BTW3, This also explains why the adapter to fit a CF card into a full sized PCMCIA slot is only $4 (because it is just a pair of different sized connectors with just wiring between them) and an adapter for a SM to PCMCIA costs considerable more. This SM/PCMCIA adapter needs to have smart electronics in it - namely the IDE controller. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:58:30 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day Wow, you really do like to be prompt. Honestly, that is overkill on the palmtop as I explain below. > About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read > 4:49. ... I noticed that the second > hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds Second hand? So you ran some kind of analog clock display program to see time fly? :-) > After a hard boot the clock speed was back to normal, and oddly > enough the clock had the correct time Right. The palmtop has Real Time Clock _hardware_ that keeps a very accurate time (better than my wristwatch) as long as the palmtop has batteries in it. For most DOS computers, when the OS is booted, the BIOS (or DOS) gets the time from this hardware and stores it in memory and thereafter uses a repeating interrupt to update this time in RAM. Regular computers do not go back to this hardware again until a reboot. So, if any program accidently or on purpose screws around with this important interrupt, the software clock can get out of whack (sorry for using such technical speak ). But this will be fixed when the machine is rebooted and that screwy program is not loaded because the time will be drawn from the hardware that did not get corrupted. You will also notice that a PC left running for an extended period of time without a reboot will have it's time drift a noticable amount. This is because the interrupt frequency (I think it's 18.2 times per second) does not divide evenly into a second within the accuracy of the software clock. It will tend to loose time. The 100/200LX palmtops are a bit different. They are designed to not reboot each time they are are turned on. And it may be weeks or months between reboots. So, HP designed the BIOS to draw the time from the RTC hardware more often that just at reboot. I think it is actually every time the palmtop is turned on. This would make sense because in order for the software clock to keep time when the palmtop is off, the processor would have to run and it does not. If you ever have the time flying problem again, it would be interesting to just turn off your palmtop and turn it back on. I bet the clock would reset back to the correct time and then continue faster from there. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:58:33 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Russ wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised if the LX had a > hardware clock that gets read every time. The LX's clock seems > far more accurate than any DOS clock (or pc RTC) that I've > known. I sometime don't reboot the LX for a couple of weeks yet > the clock doesn't seem to drift much at all You are right, Russ. The palmtop keeps very acccurate time. See my other message in this subject for the complete explanation. HP was a class outfit when the conceived and developed the palmtops. They realzed that the clocks on normal DOS computers drift too much and fixed that in these marvelous little computers. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:20:20 -0500 Reply-To: Hal Goldstein Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hal Goldstein Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest surv ey Comments: cc: Wayne Kneeskern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain <> When someone buys a palmtop from us or sends their palmtop in for repair they can purchase a warranty extension ($25 from 90 days to 1 year) or ($75 from 90 days to 2 years). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:25:47 -0700 Reply-To: bobv Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: bobv Subject: Re: Bad macro Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I check the database with dbcheck and it reports that it is clean. bob John Musielewicz wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobv" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: Bad macro > > > I have an automatic backup macro that I have used for a couple years - > > no problem. > > > > A few weeks ago, it failed - It starts to run and then locks up the > > computer. I can turn the computer off and on, but no keys work, then > > have to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) > > > > The problem seems to be in the wake up of the appointment. > > > > If I do a Fn + F1 with the computer on, it works fine - so I guess the > > problem is not with the macro, but is with the appointment that calls > > the macro. > > > > Has anyone else had this problem? Solutions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob > > I have heard that the appointment book data base is easily corrupted. I have > never used it so I don't know. Can you run something like garlic on it to > check it? > > John > > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:33:32 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? Comments: To: Gijs Leegwater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cheiz wrote: > I have noticed that is many apllications that run too slow on the LX , some > games, a MIDI player (yeah it really works interface with serial port with > my keybaord) that when i hold the ON ky it goes alot faster! When i relase > it again it turns off(like it has to be when you press on). Does anyone nkow > why this is? Does holding ON disables some interrupt? Is there a way to > disable that interrupt by hand so things run faster? The palmtop was designed to maximize battery life. The BIOS has a feature called Lite Sleep that turns off the processor when it thinks the computer is not doing any work. The main way it checks this is if the BIOS senses that a program is contually reading the keyboard. Most programs just go into a tight loop waiting for a keypress and do nothing else, so tha BIOS turns off the processor until it senses a keypress. Lite Sleep is also responsible for turning off your palmtop after a period of non use - usually three minutes But your MIDI program is busy doing stuff in between keyboard checks and is getting slowed down by this Lite Sleep process. When you hold down the On key, this kind-of "disables" Lite Sleep because the BIOS sees a repeating keypress and therefore does not sleep. There are two ways you can solve your slowdown problem. The best and simpliest is to plug the palmtop into an AC adapter. When running on external power, Lite Sleep is disabled. Notice how your palmtop does not turn itself off after 3 minutes when connected to the AC adapter? This will allow your palmtop to work at full speed no matter what program you are running or what it is doing. The other way to solve your problem would be to use a utility program that disables Lite Sleep even while on batteries. This is tricky because it will use up the batteries faster and if you forget to re-enable Lite Sleep when you are done with your MIDI program, then the palmtop will not turn off until your batteries are empty. I recommend the AC adapter method. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:33:34 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit daniel-hertrich wrote: > I don't know why _some_ programs let the HP activate light > sleep while running and some don't. Does anyone know? > I have the impression that all PAL programs deactivate light sleep > while doing a CPU-intensive task, and non-PAL apps don't. But I could > be wrong The BIOS watches calls to the DOS routine to check the keyboard for a keypress. If the BIOS sees lots of calls in a short period of time, it assumes that some program is in a tight loop doing nothing but checking keys. On other words, the BIOS assumes the program is just waiting for a key and therefore it turns off the processor. Many DOS programs check keys this way and therefore run afoul of the Lite Sleep detector. PAL programs do not disable Lite Sleep - that would be too risky. They call SysMgr's keyboard checking routine instead of DOS's and therefore the palmtop handles this situation properly all the time and the Lite Sleep detector is not confused. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:02:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > My 2 cents: maybe the PIC (Programmable Interrupt Controler) has been > set to generate interrupts with a short period, and wasn't reset > correctly. I noticed this behaviour with some programs, and I already > used this method to do precise timings (when I developed my profiler, > for example). The PIC normally generates 1 interrupt every 55 ms, and > the DOS catches it to update it's own clock. > > I developed a small TSR that redirects the calls to the DOS functions to > get or set the time, and read or write the RTC clock instead of the DOS > one (the RTC one isn't disturbed by the PIC). The drawback is that you > can only have a time precision of 1 second, instead of 55 ms. Another approach to that is to increase the PIC rate and intercept the interrupt to do your stuff and only call the dos timer code every 55 ms. This is especially simple if you increase by an integer multiple of the current PIC rate. That means dos's clock stays correct and anything else running depending on int 8 or 1Ch is properly serviced. And the RTC isn't involved. And you get your increased resolution. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:42:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stan > John, I don't know anything about what would be involved, > hardware-wise, to replace the ROMs. But I am sure it would be > very difficult to modify the programs in ROM. I am mainly interested in being to upgrade the bios. > > This is because the programming there is a giant pile of > spagetti. Not because of bad programming practice, though, but > because of the very nature of how the ROM's work. The programs > there eXecute-In-Place (XIP) meaning that the code runs right > out of the ROMs and is not loaded into RAM. > > This is accomplished by using bank switching techniques similar > to those used by Expanded memory to page in one 16K (I think) > section of the 3MB of rom at a time. So, programs are written > to work in 16K chunks of code and then to chain to other chunks > of code by initiating a bank switch. I suspect this will be > very hard to decompile and reverse engineer patches into. Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? > > > Stan > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Visicalc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After a mention in PC Magazine, I wondered about Visicalc and if it would run on the Palmtop. So I visited the website of the author of Visicalc, downloaded it and, sure enough, it runs fine on the Palmtop. Check it out at: http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm Regards, Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:53:38 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: LX-MapBlast: Directions and GPS Routes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, > Besides the text driving directions, you can > also now receive GPS coordinate routes in Gardown, Waypoint+ and > LXGPS formats. > http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/lxmbdirect.html Many thanks for implementing this function. Now somebody lost in the = middle of nowhere with no more than his GSM, GPS and HP200LX can trace a route = from where he is to anywhere in the world (as long as it is covered by MapBlast= ). He can then upload the resulting route into the GPS and go. This setup saves you the cost and weight from lugging arround a laptop = and a full set of maps on CD (like e.g. Garmin Mapsource). As some of you may already has noted the resulting LXMapBlast routes are = very accurate and allow you to use this as a driving aid. I just used it for a full trip from Switzerland to Austria and came spot on to destination. Thanks again for this wonderfull tool. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:36:57 +1000 Reply-To: rhemery@POWERUP.COM.AU Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russell Hemery Subject: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all Has anyone looked at what might be done to keep our machines in sync with the rest of the worlds dates after 2004? Is that when I seem to recall our LX internal calendar is accurate to? Like maybe a tsr that checks the "old" date and day and converts it to the "future" correct date. ie start date Mon 1 Jan 1980 => Thurs 1 Jan 2005.. example only, not right days of the week. Can sombody remind me what this limitation is for our trusty LX's? Like is it system date or just some progs? Or do I have fuzzy recall? :) Just a project might interest someone that has the programming skills Regards Russell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:06:16 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > I suspect this will be > very hard to decompile and reverse engineer patches into. There is one thing though, which I could not do myself, but that ought to be possible: If the 700 ROMs are compatible to the 200 one, then one would only need to patch all i/o to the second PCMCIA to go to the first instead and you could use the Fax and SMS programs in the much nicer and smaller 200 case. The internal modem card is a bog standard Nokia cellular data card, which as of today is not yet too hard to find complete with cable. Any takers? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:10:04 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interestsurvey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > Hmmm..how do you feel about building a resistor pack on a > substrate? Do you feel comfortable with that? show me a picture and I'll tell you. I have done some SMD, anything more fiddly and I won't probably be able to see it anymore. As I said, I'd like to read all of it first before committing myself. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:23:36 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest surv ey In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500, you wrote: ><this was important since they might actually still be under warrenty. HP= is >really strict about third party modifications. From what I remember of = the >Thaddeus warrenty it was much more flexible- but a person really should >check to make sure.>> > >We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case basis = often >giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness goes both >way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with palmtops = with >a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might choose not to >honor the warranty. > >Hal at Thaddeus =46or the modification to damage the palmtop the entire circuit, including the batteries, would have to short which is pretty near impossible since fail safe resistors (a number of them) are built-in to the circuit and they were selected in such a manner that they would require a pretty hefy voltage and current which would open them up not short them. If a person is using a adapter that has output short protection even if that did happen the adapter would stop working anyway- in fact the mod would protect the palmtop because such an adapter would stop working immeadiately and it would damage the palmtop otherwise.=20 Even if polarity was reversed on the adapter the circuit won't hurt the palmtop. Of course it can overcharge the batteries. But then extending the charge times through software and constantly running the 100 mA built-in charger more and much longer than it was designed can damage the palmtop- according to the list. And even the 100mA charge current can overcharge batteries. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:32:35 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stan Thanks for this interesting explanation! two questions for the expert: 03h28m ago Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > For most DOS computers, when the OS is booted, the BIOS (or > DOS) gets the time from this hardware and stores it in memory > and thereafter uses a repeating interrupt to update this time > in RAM. Regular computers do not go back to this hardware ..but why isn't the _harware" clock always used? Why is a copy in RAM used, i f it isn't as accurate as the hardware clock? > The 100/200LX palmtops are a bit different. They are designed > to not reboot each time they are are turned on. And it may be > weeks or months between reboots. So, HP designed the BIOS to > draw the time from the RTC hardware more often that just at > reboot. I think it is actually every time the palmtop is > turned on. This would make sense because in order for the > software clock to keep time when the palmtop is off, the > processor would have to run and it does not. How does the alarm wake-up work then? Reaching a specific time triggers the palmtop to turn on and ring the alarm, so something must run and constantly read the time from somewhere. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:48:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Dobrowski" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: Re: bizarre observation > The 100/200LX palmtops are a bit different. They are designed > to not reboot each time they are are turned on. And it may be > weeks or months between reboots. So, HP designed the BIOS to > draw the time from the RTC hardware more often that just at > reboot. I think it is actually every time the palmtop is > turned on. This would make sense because in order for the > software clock to keep time when the palmtop is off, the > processor would have to run and it does not. That's good information to have. Thanks. You're a pretty amazing guy, Stanley, even if you do have odd dietary habits. (it's been too long. I needed to say that :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:54:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Dobrowski" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? > The BIOS watches calls to the DOS routine to check the keyboard > for a keypress. If the BIOS sees lots of calls in a short > period of time, it assumes that some program is in a tight loop > doing nothing but checking keys. On other words, the BIOS > assumes the program is just waiting for a key and therefore it > turns off the processor. Many DOS programs check keys this way > and therefore run afoul of the Lite Sleep detector. > > PAL programs do not disable Lite Sleep - that would be too > risky. They call SysMgr's keyboard checking routine instead of > DOS's and therefore the palmtop handles this situation properly > all the time and the Lite Sleep detector is not confused. I don't understand that logic. If it's the BIOS routines that manage the light sleep, why wouldn't Pal routines call them, either through Dos or directly? From your description above that would seem to take care of things. Please explain. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:52:44 -0500 Reply-To: esseni@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Suresh Nirody Subject: Re: WWW/Lx and IR Comments: To: Avi Meshar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm talking about the messaging function that comes on the 9290 when you buy it, there might be other programs that have been written for it that take care of these things. Some differences: a) I have set up 3 mailboxes - CIS, Netcom, and Yahoo. On the 9290 I have to do 3 runs to p/u all three, in Post/Lx I can toggle them on or off and pick up with one run. b) On the 9290 the options are to retrieve Mail Headers (while staying online) or Message and Attachments (can specify max size). You have to go and change the settings to change this, in Post/lx I can do that much more easily (upload, download, both, headers, etc.) c) 'Natch it doesn't have Robonews mailbox with all that you get there... d) Also doesn't have the 'Externals' e.g. to use PGP, or to use another program like LXDR to read mail digests. e) Speaking of digests, you can't 'explode' a digest like you can in Post/Lx, you just get one big e-mail that you have to go through. f) It doesn't have filters, either to get rid of stuff or to send incoming mail to different boxes based on your preferences. g) When addressing your e-mail it takes you to your contacts and you can pick out who you want to send to. This is a little picky, but with Post/Lx I have a number of different address lists to pick from rather than one big list. h) When composing e-mail via CIS and Netcom, etc. they all go into the one Outbox, then when the mail is sent all messages go to the one Sent box. I prefer Post/Lx's having a separate In and Out box for each... That's it for now. Suresh P.S. I've managed to get a 9600 connection to CIS. If anyone knows how to do better, pls let me know. TIA Avi Meshar spoke thusly: > Suresh, for my curiosity and possibly to satisfy other people;s curiosit= y, > what do you find in POST/LX to be better than the package Nokia includes= in > the 9290? Thanks in advance! > Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:02:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is accomplished by using bank switching techniques similar > > to those used by Expanded memory to page in one 16K (I think) > > section of the 3MB of rom at a time. So, programs are written > > to work in 16K chunks of code and then to chain to other chunks > > of code by initiating a bank switch. I suspect this will be > > very hard to decompile and reverse engineer patches into. > > Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? Multiple chunks can be used. Just guessing, they probably are. 16k increments are what the hardware can do. It's just like reading a disk. In fact hard drives always read in 512 byte (1 sector) increments. But it's not limited to a single sector read. By the way, I'm pretty out of date so that might not be true anymore. In computers, a few things might have changed in the past decade. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:15:00 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Visicalc Comments: To: Richard and Patti Smith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Patti Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Visicalc > After a mention in PC Magazine, I wondered about Visicalc and if > it would run on the Palmtop. So I visited the website of the > author of Visicalc, downloaded it and, sure enough, it runs fine > on the Palmtop. Check it out at: I did that a couple of years ago when I first heard that Visicalc was available. I have a special feeling about Visicalc. I had been programming for several years on mainframes and just assumed that I knew everything when I began working on micros. First on an Apple and then on a TRS-80 Model II. They seemed like really nice toys, and even occasionally useful. But I never thought of them as "real" computers. Then someone showed me Visicalc, and lo, there was truly something new under the sun. This was magic. I've loved micros ever since. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:24:50 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: rhemery@POWERUP.COM.AU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hemery" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Date program "forward to the future" > Hi all > > Has anyone looked at what might be done to keep our machines in sync with > the rest of the worlds dates after 2004? Is that when I seem to recall our > LX internal calendar is accurate to? > > Like maybe a tsr that checks the "old" date and day and converts it to the > "future" correct date. ie start date Mon 1 Jan 1980 => Thurs 1 Jan 2005.. > example only, not right days of the week. > > Can sombody remind me what this limitation is for our trusty LX's? Like is > it system date or just some progs? Or do I have fuzzy recall? :) That's the first I've heard of this. Very interesting. Dates are stored as the number of days since a base year. Or the number of seconds. The size of the area that number is stored in might be the limit. When the number needs that extra bit it might not be there. Something like that happened to unix a few years ago. I don't recall the details now. I remember reading something about it. Appearantly it was dealt with. I know that CP/M ran into that problem a few years ago, too. The number got too big. If that's actually the problem, I would think that would be a problem for all Dos computers. Unless something was done in Dos 6 to deal with it. Or, unless this is just an application's manager problem. Again, if that's the problem, it can be dealt with with software. But I suspect that a lot of programs will need patching, too. It might be worth taking a look at Pal to see what it's needs and limits are. Does anyone know any more about this? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:18:18 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: WWW/Lx and IR Comments: To: Suresh Nirody In-Reply-To: <200207202052.QAA00246@siaar1ab.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/20/02 -0500, Suresh Nirody wrote: > [comparing Post/LX with Nokia 9290 email] ... >That's it for now. Wow! That's A LOT! Nice comparison. Thank you. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:29:18 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020721053657.00844970@pop.powerup.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:36:57 +1000 Russell Hemery a icrit: > Has anyone looked at what might be done to keep our machines in sync with > the rest of the worlds dates after 2004? Is that when I seem to recall our > LX internal calendar is accurate to? I just set my HP at 24-dec-2012, it seems to not have any problem... :-) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:56:38 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Jacques Belin In-Reply-To: <20020721002723.C8D1.JBELIN@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In appointmentbook last date is 31 Dec 2099. At 7/21/02 +0200, you wrote: >Le Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:36:57 +1000 >Russell Hemery a icrit: > > > Has anyone looked at what might be done to keep our machines in sync with > > the rest of the worlds dates after 2004? Is that when I seem to recall our > > LX internal calendar is accurate to? > >I just set my HP at 24-dec-2012, it seems to not have any problem... :-) > > >Jacques. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:52:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Minix serial port speeds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran a few tests on the serial port while running Minix. I was able to transfer files up to 19200. I didn't go higher. Both the laptop and the speed under Minix were set the same. A 250k file took about a minute. Hmm..seems both the serial port and the screen just need to be told what speed the system is running at so a doublespeed driver for Minix should be easy to implement and we can save a few bytes of dos memory. One reason dosread, doswrite, and dosdir may not work is Mack's ramdisk driver does not work when Minix is running so they simply may not be able to access the drive since standard dos calls won't see it. (although then I would think you'd see the f: drive still even on memory upgraded machines) John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:55:10 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Unzipping a file in Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering how to do this. I ran uncompress and it uncompressed the file into a tar file but tar doesn't seem to work with it. The orginal file is ppp.tar.Z After uncompressing it is ppp.tar What do I do now? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:39:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Visicalc In-Reply-To: <3D39AE95.9BF02E01@freeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0600, you wrote: > >http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm > This l;ooks like a great application for Minix! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:46:15 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: <000d01c23051$6b796fc0$bbf8f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > I was wondering how to do this. I ran uncompress and it uncompressed > the file into a tar file but tar doesn't seem to work with it. The > orginal file is ppp.tar.Z After uncompressing it is ppp.tar I'm not sure if Minix's tar works the same way as modern Linux versions, but generally, you can do it all in one step. For .tar.Z files, try: tar Zxvf ppp.tar.Z the capital Z option tells it the compression is .Z (compress/uncompress), the x is for eXtract, the v is verbose (lists the files as they are extracted), and the f tells it to deal with a file rather than the console, and tells it the filename. For gzip's .tar.gz files, just use a lowercase z instead of the capital Z. And for bzip2's .tar.bz2 files, use a lowercase j. Obviously, if you've already uncompressed the ppp.tar.Z file, just omit the Z and do 'tar xvf ppp.tar.Z' instead. That may be necessary if Minix's tar doesn't directly interface with uncompression programs. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:11:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix Comments: To: Ian Butler In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:46:15 -0700, you wrote: >On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> I was wondering how to do this. I ran uncompress and it uncompressed >> the file into a tar file but tar doesn't seem to work with it. The >> orginal file is ppp.tar.Z After uncompressing it is ppp.tar > >I'm not sure if Minix's tar works the same way as modern Linux versions, >but generally, you can do it all in one step. For .tar.Z files, try: > >tar Zxvf ppp.tar.Z > Hi Ian Thanks. Minix's tar program does not directly interface with the uncompression so what I ended up using was tar xf ppp.tar and it worked to open the file. It opened it but now I'm getting an error 'no space left on the root device' when I try to open a man file. The dos file isn't big enough to handle all the additional file? Is that what's happening? Do I have to recompile Minix into a larger disk file? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:33:02 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > tar xf ppp.tar > > and it worked to open the file. It opened it but now I'm getting an > error 'no space left on the root device' when I try to open a man > file. The dos file isn't big enough to handle all the additional file? > Is that what's happening? Do I have to recompile Minix into a larger > disk file? You have probably put too many files on the root device partition. The dosminix distribution is set up with two partitions, called dosd1 and dosd2. dosd1 is 1.4 mb and this is the root device, or the partition that is mounted first when booting. It has the kernel, and important files and utilities. (This is all the files and directories expect for /usr and its subdirectories. dosd2 is 38.6mb and is mounted as /usr and under here is where you should be putting user files, source files, etc. To see how much space is on the two partitions you can use the command 'df'. If you do run out of space on /usr (dosd2), the dosminix man page describes how to resize the /usr partition. Or, you can just create another minix disk file with the mkfile utility (under dos) and add this partition at boot time. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:27:19 -0700 Reply-To: bobv Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: bobv Subject: Re: Bad macro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to several who replied concerning my bad macro. Regarding a corrupted appointment file: Curtis Cameron's dbcheck says it is clean Regarding filer: I almost never use it, and am using a close all function - {more}{menu}al which always worked before. To further test it, I cut the appointment, pasted it into "today" and watched. It ran fine. I will keep an eye on it and see what happens. Bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:03 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Musielewicz wrote: > Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? The size of the chunk is determined by the way in which the hardware bank switching works. There is only a 16K slot in the address space between 640K and 1MB allocated for the banks to switch into. Again, I am not entirely sure it is 16K. There is a slight chance it might be 64K. Whatever it is, though, I would expect it to be fixed. > I am mainly interested in being to upgrade the bios To change the code related to the charging stuff? Mack and others have been quite successful in exerting considerable influence over what the BIOS does for changing. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:05 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > ..but why isn't the _harware_ clock always used? Why is a copy in RAM > used, i f it isn't as accurate as the hardware clock? I am sorry, but I don't know those details. I suspect, though, that it probably has something to do with speed of access. It is much faster and easier to read some values from some memory locations than to grab it out of the RTC hardware through an I/O port. Also, I would image that there are lots of different RTC hardware clocks in use in different PC's and this way, the BIOS just has to worry about how to access the RTC and not any user programs. The programs will always find the time in the memory as per DOS's specs. > How does the alarm wake-up work then? Reaching a specific time triggers > the palmtop to turn on and ring the alarm, so something must run and > constantly read the time from somewhere No. The processor is always certainly off when the palmtop is shut off. The only things running are the real time clock and enough power to maintain the memory. The RTC hardware has the ability to store an alarm time and when that comes due, it wakes up the processor with a special interrupt. When activated from this, the palmtop knows to go to the Appt application and sound the alarm. A bit of trivia: The 95LX did not store a specific time in the RTC when it was supposed to wake and for an alarm. It could only be loaded with a number of seconds until the next alarm. But this countdown timer could only take a number as large as about 32000, so the 95LX had to wake up three times per day and reload the countdown timer with a new value and then go back to sleep. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:06 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > That's good information to have. Thanks You are welcome. I don't know how or why some of this archane information sticks in my head after all of these years. Just lucky, I guess. > you do have odd dietary habits. (it's been > too long. I needed to say that :) It seems that archane information sticks in your head also. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:08 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Holding ON speeds up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > > PAL programs do not disable Lite Sleep - that would be too > > risky. They call SysMgr's keyboard checking routine instead of > > DOS's and therefore the palmtop handles this situation properly > > all the time and the Lite Sleep detector is not confused. > > I don't understand that logic. If it's the BIOS routines that > manage the light sleep, why wouldn't Pal routines call them, either > through Dos or directly? From your description above that would > seem to take care of things Keep in mind that HP wrote both the highly customized BIOS and SysMgr. So they wrote them to work together and avoid Lite Sleep problems with all of the programs in ROM. PAL programs use a different keyboard service routine through SusMgr than regular DOS programs do thru DOS. I don't know the details of the programming involved. But this explains why traditional DOS TSR programs like SideKick do not work while SysMgr is running. The TSR is hooked into the normal DOS keyboard interrupt but SysMgr is using a different one and therefore the TSR does not see it's hotkey get pressed. Not all DOS programs will have the slowdown problem with Lite Sleep while they are running. The BIOS Lite Sleep detector is monitoring one particular keyboard service routine (I think it is whichever one is used by the C routine kbhit(), for example). But there are lots of different ways to check for a keypress and if the DOS program checks for a keypress in a different way, then there will not be a problem. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:13 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > > Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? > > Multiple chunks can be used. Just guessing, they probably are. > 16k increments are what the hardware can do. It's just like > reading a disk. In fact hard drives always read in 512 byte (1 > sector) increments. But it's not limited to a single sector read Not exactly. When a hard disk is read, the 512 byte sectors are first copied into the DOS buffers in RAM and then feed into the program that wanted the info. XIP stuff works quite differently. The code is not copied into RAM, rather it is executed right from where it magically appears when the 16k chunkis made visible in that slot in memory by the bank switching hardware. When a program running there needs to chain to another bank of ROM, it initiates a bank switch and the hardware makes the calling chunk disappear and the new chunk appear and the code continues to run in the new chunk. It is a very convoluted way to make the ROM programs. And I am sure it was a real challenge to write. But the benefit is that no RAM is taken up by the built in programs. Of course, they all need RAM space for data, but the programs in ROM do not need to be loaded into RAM in order to run. Think about it - you can have every one of the built in applications open and still have lots of RAM left over. This is possible because each app only needs up to 64K of RAM for it's working variable space. Lotus 123 is the exception because it will grab all available RAM to hold the spreadsheet. This is why I say it would be so difficult to decompile or reverse engineer the ROM's if you could see the ROMs as a flat 3MB of memory. There are entry points into the code all over the place because there is only ever a 16K window into the 3MB of code that is available at any one time. Just the process of doing a jump to another bit of code in a different chunk involves manipulating the hardware. And the code needs to be written to minimize this bank switching because it would slow things down considerably if the bank switching was excessive. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:43:38 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Replacing the roms In-Reply-To: <00dc01c23030$cc6f39c0$e0bc8dac@oemcomputer>; from barry@FBTC.NET on Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 04:02:11PM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 04:02:11PM -0500, Barry wrote: > Multiple chunks can be used. Just guessing, they probably are. > 16k increments are what the hardware can do. According to the 100/200LX Dev Guide, there are 8 16K banks (D000:0-EC00:0) and a 64K bank (C000:0). The 4 16K banks at D000:0-DC00:0 can apparently also be treated as a single 64K bank when XIP'ing from a PC Card. For the curious, I'm referring to the memory map (p.7) and the Int 63h services description (pp.135-141). The latter are probably only useful when running under DOS, and even then, one certainly needs to be careful. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:36:51 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: bizarre observation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 20-07 14:02 EDT, you wrote: [...] > Another approach to that is to increase the PIC rate and intercept > the interrupt to do your stuff and only call the dos timer code > every 55 ms. This is especially simple if you increase by an > integer multiple of the current PIC rate. That's precisely what I did, to get both millisecond timings, and a correct clock. But here, the original poster has a clock that counts too fast. To me, there's a program that programmed the PIC to generate fast interrupts, and didn't programmed it back to a correct value. Since I already encountered this behaviour with badly written software that ran on a dedicated PC used by non-technical people, I developed this small TSR to get or set the time using the RTC. This avoided them from rebooting the PC each time the bad software was used (and no, this bad software couldn't be avoided, that would be too easy). -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:39:41 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: bizarre observation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 20-07 16:32 EDT, you wrote: > 03h28m ago Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > >> For most DOS computers, when the OS is booted, the BIOS (or >> DOS) gets the time from this hardware and stores it in memory >> and thereafter uses a repeating interrupt to update this time >> in RAM. Regular computers do not go back to this hardware > > ..but why isn't the _harware" clock always used? Why is a copy in RAM > used, i f it isn't as accurate as the hardware clock? Because reading this clock is *much* slower than using a software one. >> The 100/200LX palmtops are a bit different. They are designed >> to not reboot each time they are are turned on. And it may be >> weeks or months between reboots. So, HP designed the BIOS to >> draw the time from the RTC hardware more often that just at >> reboot. I think it is actually every time the palmtop is >> turned on. This would make sense because in order for the >> software clock to keep time when the palmtop is off, the >> processor would have to run and it does not. > > How does the alarm wake-up work then? Reaching a specific time triggers > the palmtop to turn on and ring the alarm, so something must run and > constantly read the time from somewhere. I don't know about the HP200, but the RTC can generate an interrupt when a previously set alarm time has come due. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:44:58 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > Something like that happened to unix a few years ago. Are you sure? As far as I know the Atari is similar to unix in that respect and there the rollover occurs in about 2100. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:45:52 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > In fact hard drives always read in 512 byte (1 > sector) increments. But it's not limited to a single sector read. > By the way, I'm pretty out of date so that might not be true > anymore. In computers, a few things might have changed in the past > decade. :) No no, you are obviously far too much into all that newfangled stuff and have forgotten about real computing. As far as know (which probably includes MFM but nothing newer) there is still a size nibble in the sector head, so sectors can be anything from 128 to 1024 bytes each. Hasn't been used since IBM bulldozed all the competition in the early eighties. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:07:11 -0700 Reply-To: Martin Bergvill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Martin Bergvill Subject: New Cellphones from Samsung tested MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I went to a Nokia kick off 1.5 months ago. We had a look at some new models. I ofcourse forgot my Hplx at home, but I am quite sure that the Nokia 7650 will work with the Hplx. We had a look at Nokia 3410, 3510 and 7650 and Nokia's bluetooth hf. Nothing that made me excited. The 7650 has a built in digital camera and a big colorscreen. It did not impress me that much. It was huge and thick. My first remark about it was "Hey..they have built in a camera into my old Nokia 2110(2190)" I got a couple of other phones into the store the other day. First one is Samsung SGH-A400 which is a small "flipphone". Actually looks pretty good. It has a external antenna which I did not like. The phone was not that interesting besides the look. It has BMI calculator, biorythm and a calender for women to calculate when they are "ready" (not kidding :-) It has a irda modem. No GPRS or HSCSD, limited to 9600. I got the Hplx to talk to it, but could not get beyond "Connected to Samsung..." I tried to send sms from WWW/LX, but it did not work. I have not tested it a lot. Just to see if it could work "out of the box". I also got the Samsung SGH-T100 with colorscreen (4096) and built "Tamagotchi cat" and other "porn effects" :-). I tried to get it connected to the Hplx..but I could not find that it has irda.. It does not..:-( That really suprised me because it is a expencive phone. Maybe I overlooked it. Will have a second look. I will also test a another Samsung phone which a friend of mine has. I can not remember the name of it. It was a small phone with irda, but I do not think it will work any better than the A400. Well thats about it. (I have also tested the T68 and the "new" T68i from Ericsson. They both works as long as you have Magic=0 in the cfg.) Regards -- Martin Bergvill ,Narvik Norway ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:14:09 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: <200207201658.MAA26052@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > > I sync the time on my 200LX to an ntp server at least once a day > > Wow, you really do like to be prompt. Honestly, that is > overkill on the palmtop as I explain below. Perhaps my 200LX's RTC isn't as accurate as most. For a time I tracked its performance--I don't remeber the exact numbers, but seem to recall it drifted by a minute or so in a few days. I would be content with syncing every day or two, but I just built the call into the batch file that brings up network services with my Accton ethernet card. It only takes a moment and seemed easiest. > > About 3:30 this afternoon I noticed the clock on the Appt book read > > 4:49. ... I noticed that the second > > hand was making a complete revolution about every five seconds > > Second hand? So you ran some kind of analog clock display > program to see time fly? :-) Well, it was the clock that's built into the Appt book program. > You will also notice that a PC left running for an extended > period of time without a reboot will have it's time drift a > noticable amount. This is because the interrupt frequency (I > think it's 18.2 times per second) does not divide evenly into a > second within the accuracy of the software clock. It will tend > to loose time. It's also because the oscillation frequency is temperature dependent. Do I recall correctly that the 200LX has poorly implemented temperature compensation for the display contrast? Perhaps the compensation was also applied to the RTC. > If you ever have the time flying problem again, it would be > interesting to just turn off your palmtop and turn it back on. > I bet the clock would reset back to the correct time and then > continue faster from there. And if that didn't do it, I bet closing the Appt book and reopening it would do it. Thanks for all the *very* informative posts, Stan! Thanks also to everybody else that replied. Next time I'll try to choose a bit better subject. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:03:01 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET In-Reply-To: <200207210917.FAA24679@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/21/02 -0400, Stan Dobrowski wrote: >It is a very convoluted way to make the ROM programs. And I am >sure it was a real challenge to write. But the benefit is that >no RAM is taken up by the built in programs. Of course, they >all need RAM space for data, but the programs in ROM do not >need to be loaded into RAM in order to run. Think about it - >you can have every one of the built in applications open and >still have lots of RAM left over. This is possible because >each app only needs up to 64K of RAM for it's working variable >space. Lotus 123 is the exception because it will grab all >available RAM to hold the spreadsheet. Actually no exception here. The _data_ of Lotus 123 is the spreadsheet. If your spreadsheet is smaller, Lotus will take LESS of the available RAM. So Lotus fits into the model you describe above just fine. The actual program is executed XIP and in addition to RAM used for work areas, variables, and other transitory purposes, it has other data, namely the spreadsheet. In desktop versions it is able to use EMM to store portions of the spreadsheet, thus reducing the EAM hit. But I do not think the XIP version lets us use EMM. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:57:48 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds In-Reply-To: <000c01c23051$6ab92d00$bbf8f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > I ran a few tests on the serial port while running Minix. I was able to > transfer files up to 19200. I didn't go higher. Both the laptop and the > speed under Minix were set the same. A 250k file took about a minute. Good news. What did you do differently that allowed you to go faster than 300? > One reason dosread, doswrite, and dosdir may not work is Mack's ramdisk > driver does not work when Minix is running so they simply may not be able to > access the drive since standard dos calls won't see it. (although then I > would think you'd see the f: drive still even on memory upgraded machines) Actually the driver does work. I can read and write to the times2tech drive without problems. I think the problem with dosread is that it uses the disk drivers installed in the kernel, and these rely on hard disk controllers, or through int13h. Even with Dub's extension, the int13 support isn't complete enough to work. I have run into a problem with my copy program. Reading works for any drive. Writing to the c: drive, or times2tech drive, works fine. Writing to the flash disk does not work reliably. It seems to be a writing speed problem on the LX. If I run it on a laptop it works fine. On the lx though, a file will be opened for output, and some number of blocks will be written, but then it often locks up requiring a hard reset. It's not at any specific amount of data transferred, just random. So, the larger the file the greater the chance it will lock up. My test is to copy a 200k file to a dos drive. Writing to the times2tech drive works 10 times out of 10. To the flash, one time I was able to write the file twice and it locked up on the third time. Usually it won't finish the first write. I had turned off litesleep before starting minix for this test, but this may just be coincidence. Running the dhrystone benchmark shows no difference between lite sleep enabled and disabled. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:19:53 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D3A9EBA.BC136BB3@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oh, this message kicked the dust off something in my memory! Unix keeps track of time by counting seconds since 1 Jan 1970. It uses a signed 32-bit counter accommodating 2147483647 seconds at most. When the counter is full it'll be 19 January 2038. Depending on how programs are set up, they may run into troubles when the count begins anew. (I suspect most counters will be changed to 64 bit counters by then, or just double the range by using unsigned 32 bit counters. IBM mainframes (370s and 390s) have a TOD counter for Time Of Day and it is a bit different, expiring (well, filling up to max) on 18 Sep 2042. BTW, all you GPS hotshots, The GPS almanac runs on weeks, i.e. the counter counts weeks since 22 August 1999, and it'll rollover 256 weeks on July 17-18 2004. Anyway, perhaps the original question referred to the date of the unix rollover? Not to worry, unless Minix on the Palmtop needs an update and extend the Unix counter to 64 bits? I think there is another much more dangerous date, and we don't know exactly when. Best estimates are sometime in 2025 when the North American phone system will fill up and run out of room to expand in the current 3 digit area code and 7 digit number. Just imagine! Avi At 7/21/02 +0200, you wrote: >Barry wrote: > > Something like that happened to unix a few years ago. > >Are you sure? As far as I know the Atari is similar to unix in that >respect and there the rollover occurs in about 2100. > >Axel > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:20:07 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ted Heise wrote: > Perhaps my 200LX's RTC isn't as accurate as most. For a time I tracked > its performance--I don't remeber the exact numbers, but seem to recall > it drifted by a minute or so in a few days I am very suprized at that. Like I said, my 200LX time base is more accurate than my Casio wristwatch. I correct the palmtop's time maybe once or twice a year. I have to adjust my watch every two months when it is off by 15 second or more. Do you have another palmtop that you can see if it drifts so much also? > It's also because the oscillation frequency is temperature dependent. > Do I recall correctly that the 200LX has poorly implemented temperature > compensation for the display contrast? Perhaps the compensation was > also applied to the RTC I would expect that most people's palmtops go through the same temperature ranges as yours does. I don't think temperature variations would account for your RTC being off that much. I don't think the palmtop has any specific circuitry to compensate the RTC for temp changes like for the LCD. Do you have a double speed upgrade? Do you know for sure what the crystal freq is? Whose driver are you using? Perhaps your upgrade crystal is not an exact 2x multiple of the original. The settings inside the 200LX have options for several different mutiples of the original freq, perhaps yours is not set right. Did you get the driver and the crystal from the same source? Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:20:08 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Avi wrote: > Actually no exception here. The _data_ of Lotus 123 is the spreadsheet. If > your spreadsheet is smaller, Lotus will take LESS of the available RAM. So > Lotus fits into the model you describe above just fine. The actual program > is executed XIP and in addition to RAM used for work areas, variables, and > other transitory purposes, it has other data, namely the spreadshee You are correct. But I was pointing to Lotus as being different because it can use as much RAM as it needs up to all available. The other built in apps such as Phone will use no more than 64K of RAM for thier data. > In desktop versions it is able to use EMM to store portions of the > spreadsheet, thus reducing the EAM hit. But I do not think the XIP version > lets us use EMM I may be wrong, but I seem to remember someone being suprized that when he set up EMM for another purpose, he noticed that the built in Lotus used it. Someone should try this. When you have EMM installed and some it is available, look at Lotus's /WS and see if it notices the EMM. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:04:44 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: bizarre observation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21-07 05:17 EDT, you wrote: > Daniel Hertrich wrote: > >> ..but why isn't the _harware_ clock always used? Why is a copy in RAM >> used, i f it isn't as accurate as the hardware clock? > > I am sorry, but I don't know those details. I suspect, though, > that it probably has something to do with speed of access. It > is much faster and easier to read some values from some memory > locations than to grab it out of the RTC hardware through an > I/O port. From memory, getting the time from the RTC involves 3 write+wait+read operations (write to the index, wait for the RTC to do its stuff, and read the desired value) to get the hour, minute, and second. You also have another write+wait+read operation to check if the time can be read (if the RTC is updating the time, you'll get inconsistent values if you read it at the same moment). You might need to repeat this check until you're sure the RTC has finished updating it's internal clock. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: 200LX clock accuracy (was: bizarre observation) In-Reply-To: <200207211620.MAA06905@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > > Perhaps my 200LX's RTC isn't as accurate as most. For a time I tracked > > its performance--I don't remeber the exact numbers, but seem to recall > > it drifted by a minute or so in a few days > > I am very suprized at that. Like I said, my 200LX time base is > more accurate than my Casio wristwatch. I correct the > palmtop's time maybe once or twice a year. I have to adjust my > watch every two months when it is off by 15 second or more. Do > you have another palmtop that you can see if it drifts so much > also? I may be mis-remembering, and unfortunately I can't go back and redo the experiment because I left that palmtop in a cab in Boston a year ago. For what it's worth, it was a Times2Tech double speed and 32MB upgrade. My current unit is a Thaddeus double speed and 32MB upgrade. I've never checked its clock accuracy and will commence doing so straight away. I also have two other units: a backup double speed/32MB upgrade, and a standard. (I got paranoid after my Boston blunder. :) I'll study them both as well. I'm not sure what drivers I'm using, but will find out. I don't know the source of the upgrade on my backup unit, I purchased it used. If Don Weatherly is still subscribed, he could probably say. :) I'll probably need to run this experiment for a few weeks to get meaningful results, but will report back to the list when I'm done. > I would expect that most people's palmtops go through the same > temperature ranges as yours does. I don't think temperature > variations would account for your RTC being off that much. I > don't think the palmtop has any specific circuitry to > compensate the RTC for temp changes like for the LCD. Well, it's not exactly the same thing, but the system clock on my desktop will vary by about 5 ppm when the temperature changes by 10 degrees F. This is approximately a second every two days. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:24:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 01h56m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > Unix keeps track of time by counting seconds since 1 Jan 1970. It uses = a > signed 32-bit counter accommodating 2147483647 seconds at most. When = the > counter is full it'll be 19 January 2038. Depending on how programs are = set > up, they may run into troubles when the count begins anew. (I suspect = most > counters will be changed to 64 bit counters by then, or just double the > range by using unsigned 32 bit counters. I wonder why initially a _signed_ 32bit was used, and not an unsigned one, which would have doubled the number of seconds and thus extended the range up to a year about 2106. Who needs a signed amount of seconds? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:24:28 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stan 01h ago Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > Do you have a double speed upgrade? Do you know for sure what > the crystal freq is? Whose driver are you using? Perhaps your Is the RTC really driven by the main quartz? -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:24:25 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted 02h40m ago Theodore Heise wrote: > I would be content with syncing every day or two, but I just built the > call into the batch file that brings up network services with my Accton > ethernet card. It only takes a moment and seemed easiest. How do you do that time synching? Would be good to simply have it in the WWW/LX setcom.bat, so it syncs automatically if I go online. Works over IP, right, so it should also work when connected via PPP oder serial line, not only when connected with the Ethernet card? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:36:44 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: bizarre observation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > How do you do that time synching? Would be good to simply have it in > the WWW/LX setcom.bat, so it syncs automatically if I go online. Works > over IP, right, so it should also work when connected via PPP oder > serial line, not only when connected with the Ethernet card? I use NTIME.EXE from the WATTCP utilities. I think I have used it over a PPP serial connection, but regardless it ought to work that way. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:02:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Backlight questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 21.07.02 7:43 PM +0200 Hi friends, (BCC to Hal Goldstein and Thomas Rundel) could anyone please enlighten me on the backlight problems? I have some trouble understanding what's going on: AFAIK, the LCD screen is built this way: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer ************ glass layer ~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal ************ glass layer =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer ^^^^^^^^^^^^ reflective layer As far as I understood, it was not possible to remove the reflective layer of the screen without a big probability to break the screen, and that stopped the backlight project. BUT: All people agreed that really only the reflective layer, not the polarizing layer directly above the reflective layer has to be removed, so that the following batch comes out when adding backlight EL panel: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer ************ glass layer ~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal ************ glass layer =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer ------------ EL panel Or do _some_ or all EL panels need the pol layer to also be removed like this?: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer ************ glass layer ~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal ************ glass layer ------------ EL panel Why do some EL panels invert the screen when activated and some do not (so why is the screen inversion feature added to the backlight driver for certain EL panels)? The setup I received from Martin Vagner has the bottom pol layer still mounted, an EL panel under it, and the screen is NOT inverted when switching the panel on). I took an old screen which I fortunately kept, although my brother destroyed it by sitting down on his 100LX ;-) and tried to remove both the bottom polarizing layer and the reflective layer at once. THIS was hard. But when I tried to seperate the reflective from the bottom polarizing layer, it was no problem at all. So what was the problem exactly? Any German HPLX users out there who have broken screens they could supply for testing? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:34:25 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21-07 11:19 EDT, you wrote: > I think there is another much more dangerous date, and we don't know > exactly when. Best estimates are sometime in 2025 when the North American > phone system will fill up and run out of room to expand in the current 3 > digit area code and 7 digit number. Just imagine! We did the change in France at least twice (I have personaly seen 2 changes), from 7 to 8 digits, and from 8 to 10 digits. Each change took about 1 hour and happened flawlessly. We don't have as much telephone users as you have in the US, though. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:18:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Dobrowski" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:17 AM Subject: Re: Replacing the roms > Barry wrote: > > > > Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? > > > > Multiple chunks can be used. Just guessing, they probably are. > > 16k increments are what the hardware can do. It's just like > > reading a disk. In fact hard drives always read in 512 byte (1 > > sector) increments. But it's not limited to a single sector read > > Not exactly. When a hard disk is read, the 512 byte sectors > are first copied into the DOS buffers in RAM and then feed into > the program that wanted the info. > > XIP stuff works quite differently. The code is not copied into > RAM, rather it is executed right from where it magically > appears when the 16k chunkis made visible in that slot in > memory by the bank switching hardware. When a program running > there needs to chain to another bank of ROM, it initiates a > bank switch and the hardware makes the calling chunk disappear > and the new chunk appear and the code continues to run in the > new chunk. I was using the disk access as an example of something that works in fixed size chunks but can do more than one chunk. I didn't intend any more than that by what I said. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" > Barry wrote: > > Something like that happened to unix a few years ago. > > Are you sure? As far as I know the Atari is similar to unix in that > respect and there the rollover occurs in about 2100. I'm pretty sure I read about something like that happening in unix. Since my unix experience is fairly limited the details didn't really register in my head so I can't say just what it was I read. And maye I'm wrong. But I'm pretty sure I read about something like this. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:26:48 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun, 21.07.02 8:07 PM +0200 Hi friends especially Martin Vagner and Radek Svagr, does anyone of you have a _working_ backlight setup by now? if yes, did you have to peel off the lower polarization layer from the screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX? Usually such an inverter is built by an oscillator and a little transformator, which MUST be pretty large, but I was suggested by the electronics store staff that I could use cascaded capacitor diodes to build up a smaller inverter. Radek, what about the DIY kit? I'm fairly enthusiastic now about the backlight project, because it seems not too hard to prepare the screen, if it's really only necessary to remove the _reflective_ layer, and NOT the polarization layer. The only problem is to find a small inverter now. Well, aren't there 3V Lithium AA batteries? If we would use such cells to power the palmtop, only one AA battery place had to be used for the battery, and the other battery tray would be free for other material - for example an inverter. :-) This would limit the palmtop of course to be powered by probably expensive 3V cells. Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: Replacing the roms > Barry wrote: > > In fact hard drives always read in 512 byte (1 > > sector) increments. But it's not limited to a single sector read. > > By the way, I'm pretty out of date so that might not be true > > anymore. In computers, a few things might have changed in the past > > decade. :) > > No no, you are obviously far too much into all that newfangled stuff and > have forgotten about real computing. As far as know (which probably > includes MFM but nothing newer) there is still a size nibble in the > sector head, so sectors can be anything from 128 to 1024 bytes each. > Hasn't been used since IBM bulldozed all the competition in the early > eighties. I don't think I ever knew that but I probably should have. I knew the sector size on my old Radio Shack Color Computer was 256 bytes. I always assumed that was fixed. Later I learned that the sector size on the IBM PC was 512 bytes and I guess I assumed that was fixed, too. I knew both computers could use the same drives but I never put that into the equation, I guess. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:34:06 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 7/21/02 -0400, Stan Dobrowski wrote: > >It is a very convoluted way to make the ROM programs. And I am > >sure it was a real challenge to write. But the benefit is that > >no RAM is taken up by the built in programs. Of course, they > >all need RAM space for data, but the programs in ROM do not > >need to be loaded into RAM in order to run. Think about it - > >you can have every one of the built in applications open and > >still have lots of RAM left over. This is possible because > >each app only needs up to 64K of RAM for it's working variable > >space. Lotus 123 is the exception because it will grab all > >available RAM to hold the spreadsheet. Using bank switching a lot dos add another layer of complexity to a program but it doesn't have to be particularly convuluted. I've never written an OS but I've written programs on several computers that used one sort of bank switching or another and left it to the programmer to deal with. I think the biggest effect it has is to require extra care in the design of the program. But the programming itself isn't that much more difficult in the stuff I've done. Then again, none of these systems were anywhere near as complex as the 200lx so it might be different in this case. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:47:18 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" > I wonder why initially a _signed_ 32bit was used, and not > an unsigned one, which would have doubled the number of seconds and > thus extended the range up to a year about 2106. Who needs a signed > amount of seconds? I think unix was designed on a DEC, about which I know practically nothing. But I wonder if the machine instructions that deal with signed numbers are faster than the ones that deal with unsigned numbers. If so that would be plenty of incentive to use signed numbers. I wrote a lot of COBOL in the late 60's and early 70's, where space and speed were at a premium so years were 2 digits intead of 4. Save everything you can save was the way we did it. We had discussions about the problem that would create when the century rolled. But they were conversational. Not discussions of a problem. There wasn't a problem. We knew that none of our programs would still be running. That was a given. It was wrong. But it was a certainty. Bill Gates foolishly denies that he ever said no-one would ever need more than 640k RAM. But when he said it it was true. I think the whole statement said something to the effect that more ram might be desirable but it would never be needed. A good programmer could use overlays. It was a wise statement. Then he made sure more ram was needed. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:35:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.sipex.com Sipex makes chip inverters that use an H-bridge and an ocsillator. Check out the 4403. It provideds the highest voltage which is better for transflective films. The only 3V AA rechargeable lithiums were Taderan and they've been discontinued. They were only 750 mAh so they wouldn't last long. 3 V nonrechargeable would be an expensive solution considering you will need the backlite on all the time and it'll suck you batteries dry in no time. It is the polarizer that inverts the screen not the EL panel. The LX supplies both 3 and 5 volts so there is no need to hook a backlite directly to the batteries. However it sounds like you might end up needing an external battery pack for your backlite to get any kind of battery life. I'm curious- how are you removing the polarizer that it is breaking the screen? I removed quite a few without any screen damage. The glue isn't THAT strong. It pulls right off. And the glass is quite flexible. You need to pull firmly but gentlty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek Sun, 21.07.02 8:07 PM +0200 Hi friends especially Martin Vagner and Radek Svagr, does anyone of you have a _working_ backlight setup by now? if yes, did you have to peel off the lower polarization layer from the screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:42:11 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No it doesn't. I've checked this and the built-in lotus does not see ems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Dobrowski" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Replacing the roms > Avi wrote: > > > Actually no exception here. The _data_ of Lotus 123 is the spreadsheet. If > > your spreadsheet is smaller, Lotus will take LESS of the available RAM. So > > Lotus fits into the model you describe above just fine. The actual program > > is executed XIP and in addition to RAM used for work areas, variables, and > > other transitory purposes, it has other data, namely the spreadshee > > You are correct. But I was pointing to Lotus as being > different because it can use as much RAM as it needs up to all > available. The other built in apps such as Phone will use no > more than 64K of RAM for thier data. > > > In desktop versions it is able to use EMM to store portions of the > > spreadsheet, thus reducing the EAM hit. But I do not think the XIP version > > lets us use EMM > > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember someone being suprized > that when he set up EMM for another purpose, he noticed that > the built in Lotus used it. Someone should try this. When you > have EMM installed and some it is available, look at Lotus's > /WS and see if it notices the EMM. > > > Stan > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:15:45 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds Comments: To: Michael Kopplin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > I ran a few tests on the serial port while running Minix. I was able to > > transfer files up to 19200. I didn't go higher. Both the laptop and the > > speed under Minix were set the same. A 250k file took about a minute. > > Good news. What did you do differently that allowed you to go > faster than 300? > I really didn't do anything except inialily I tested the theory that the serial port on the LX needed to be half the serial port speed on the desktop. After I set everything back to equal speeds it all worked. > > > One reason dosread, doswrite, and dosdir may not work is Mack's ramdisk > > driver does not work when Minix is running so they simply may not be able to > > access the drive since standard dos calls won't see it. (although then I > > would think you'd see the f: drive still even on memory upgraded machines) > > Actually the driver does work. I can read and write to the > times2tech drive without problems. I think the problem with > dosread is that it uses the disk drivers installed in the > kernel, and these rely on hard disk controllers, or through > int13h. Even with Dub's extension, the int13 support isn't > complete enough to work. Good theory. According to Kees on the minix newsgroup though Minix, while it doesn't erese dos tsrs in memory, doesn't use them (which is why I can't trun on my backlite or start charging). So maybe the TST disk driver justs needs to set up the disk orginally then it can be accessed by minix calls for the disk without accessing the driver. > > I have run into a problem with my copy program. Reading works > for any drive. Writing to the c: drive, or times2tech drive, > works fine. Writing to the flash disk does not work reliably. It > seems to be a writing speed problem on the LX. If I run it on a > laptop it works fine. There's no flash card driver so I'd be surprized if it would work with a card. You could try making the flash card an I/O card and accessing it directly. > > On the lx though, a file will be opened for output, and some > number of blocks will be written, but then it often locks up > requiring a hard reset. It's not at any specific amount of data > transferred, just random. So, the larger the file the greater > the chance it will lock up. My test is to copy a 200k file to a > dos drive. Writing to the times2tech drive works 10 times out of > 10. To the flash, one time I was able to write the file twice > and it locked up on the third time. Usually it won't finish the > first write. I had turned off litesleep before starting minix > for this test, but this may just be coincidence. Running the > dhrystone benchmark shows no difference between lite sleep > enabled and disabled. See above. If you need a list of pcmcia commands to access I/O I got'em. > > Mike > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:22:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kopplin" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix > > tar xf ppp.tar > > > > and it worked to open the file. It opened it but now I'm getting an > > error 'no space left on the root device' when I try to open a man > > file. The dos file isn't big enough to handle all the additional file? > > Is that what's happening? Do I have to recompile Minix into a larger > > disk file? > > You have probably put too many files on the root device > partition. The dosminix distribution is set up with two > partitions, called dosd1 and dosd2. dosd1 is 1.4 mb and this is Thanks. I screwed up installing it in root. Now when my Minix installation boots it does nothing but give me an out of space on root error so I can't boot it up. Is there anything I can do about this? I can't read any man pages to solve the problem! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:23:00 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720175609.00a81880@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:56:38 -0500 Avi Meshar a icrit: > In appointmentbook last date is 31 Dec 2099. Yes, but I think we talk here about the hardware clock limits... (Don't remember about them, too much time I don't have coded clock dependent functions...). And the fact that the appointment book runs up to fall of the 21st century is not an exploit (it is just convenient for us, mortals :-). Nothing prohibits someone to write a appointment book which could give exact date from year 1 (or 20 milion BC. ;-) ), take account about the Julian calendar, the change to the Gregorian calendar, and go up to the "Atreides" Calendar... ;-) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:23:00 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020721091414.00a3e080@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:19:53 -0500 Avi Meshar a icrit: > I think there is another much more dangerous date, and we don't know > exactly when. Best estimates are sometime in 2025 when the North American > phone system will fill up and run out of room to expand in the current 3 > digit area code and 7 digit number. Just imagine! You have not to worry about that... The HP200LX has already passed this test ! :-) (when, in France, we passed from 8 digits to 10. And I think to remember that some others europeans countries, like Germany, use longer phone numbers...) More seriously, remember that the phone book is a GDB application, and that you can increase the size of the fields as you want.... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:35:22 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlight questions Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:02:52 +0200, you wrote: >Sun, 21.07.02 7:43 PM +0200 > >Hi friends, (BCC to Hal Goldstein and Thomas Rundel) > >could anyone please enlighten me on the backlight problems? I have some >trouble understanding what's going on: > >AFAIK, the LCD screen is built this way: > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer >************ glass layer >~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal >************ glass layer >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer >^^^^^^^^^^^^ reflective layer > >As far as I understood, it was not possible to remove the reflective >layer of the screen without a big probability to break the screen, and >that stopped the backlight project. No what stopped the backlite project was the fact it would take too long to install. Sometimes the reflective polarizer would desingrayte into pieces when being removed and it increased the time too much to make it practical. Removing the polarizer will not break the lcd. > >BUT: >All people agreed that really only the reflective layer, not the >polarizing layer directly above the reflective layer has to be removed, >so that the following batch comes out when adding backlight EL panel: > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer >************ glass layer >~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal >************ glass layer >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer >------------ EL panel > Only if you want a backlite that sucks battery power and reduces you life by half to three quarters. >Or do _some_ or all EL panels need the pol layer to also be removed like >this?: > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D polarizing layer >************ glass layer >~~~~~~~~~~~~ liquid crystal >************ glass layer >------------ EL panel > You need a polarizer otherwise you won't be able to see the screen with or without an el panel >Why do some EL panels invert the screen when activated and some do not >(so why is the screen inversion feature added to the backlight driver >for certain EL panels)? The setup I received from Martin Vagner has the >bottom pol layer still mounted, an EL panel under it, and the screen is >NOT inverted when switching the panel on). It is not the el panel that inverts the screen it is the polarizer used.=20 > >I took an old screen which I fortunately kept, although my brother >destroyed it by sitting down on his 100LX ;-) and tried to remove both >the bottom polarizing layer and the reflective layer at once. THIS was >hard. But when I tried to seperate the reflective from the bottom >polarizing layer, it was no problem at all. > >So what was the problem exactly? Any German HPLX users out there who = have >broken screens they could supply for testing? > >Thanks >daniel John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: Adrian Ho In-Reply-To: <20020721174338.A22925@svr1.03s.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:43:38 +0800, you wrote: >On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 04:02:11PM -0500, Barry wrote: >> Multiple chunks can be used. Just guessing, they probably are. >> 16k increments are what the hardware can do. > >According to the 100/200LX Dev Guide, there are 8 16K banks >(D000:0-EC00:0) and a 64K bank (C000:0). The 4 16K banks at >D000:0-DC00:0 can apparently also be treated as a single 64K >bank when XIP'ing from a PC Card. So does this mean a program can combine these to run in over 128k continous space by mapping all of them together or does it have to stick to the limit of 64k and only access one at a time?=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:41:33 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: jbelin@ALTERN.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020721214340.2C1F.JBELIN@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/21/02 +0200, Jacques Belin wrote: >More seriously, remember that the phone book is a GDB application, and >that you can increase the size of the fields as you want.... No, I forgot about it right after I changed my phonebook in 1995! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:13:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Replacing the roms Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET In-Reply-To: <200207210917.FAA24641@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:17:03 -0400, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: > >> Hmm..is that 16k chunk fixed for XIP? Can larger chunks be used? > >The size of the chunk is determined by the way in which the >hardware bank switching works. There is only a 16K slot in the >address space between 640K and 1MB allocated for the banks to >switch into. Again, I am not entirely sure it is 16K. There >is a slight chance it might be 64K. Whatever it is, though, I >would expect it to be fixed. Hmm..I'll researve comment for now > >> I am mainly interested in being to upgrade the bios > >To change the code related to the charging stuff? Mack and >others have been quite successful in exerting considerable >influence over what the BIOS does for changing. > I want to change the base limit of the A/D converter so a shunt resistor can be used to measure current plus add full native interrupt 13 support plus change the way the LX boots so another OS can be booted from a flash card. Those are a couple things I'd like to do to the bios for a start. Plus add native backlite support oh a bunch of things. But since its in a rom chip not much will happen unless something like flash can be used. It would be nice if flash could be used. A 64 meg chip goes for about 20 bucks so additional none volital storge could be had at a reasonable cost. Use part of it for dos and bios then use the other part as a d drive. Then all additional memory could be used as ems instead of a volitlile c ramdrive. There is additional space in the LX so a small board would fit so matching the pinout of the rom is no problem. Removing them is no problem too just clip the pins and desolder. I believe the rom use 3 volts so even that would match. The one thing I don't know is if flash would need a contoller or if the LX controller would work. If it needed an additional controller than it would probably be too much work- or not work at all. > >Stan > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:23:20 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > sometime in 2025 when the North American > phone system will fill up and run out of room to expand in the > current 3 digit area code and 7 digit number. Ha! How often have I had toi cope with US-centred Web forms telling me "All telephone numbers are exactly ten digits long, your input must be wrong." Justice at last. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:30:03 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: <003601c230f4$550f1340$c1f8f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > You have probably put too many files on the root device > > partition. The dosminix distribution is set up with two > > partitions, called dosd1 and dosd2. dosd1 is 1.4 mb and this is > > > Thanks. I screwed up installing it in root. Now when my Minix installation > boots it does nothing but give me an out of space on root error so I can't > boot it up. Is there anything I can do about this? I can't read any man > pages to solve the problem! I assume you don't want to just start over :) Well, what I would try is boot to an original dosminix file and mount your too full partitions after booting. Example: 1. copy an original minix.mnx to something like rescue.mnx 2. boot to the rescue.mnx, i.e. 'boot rescue.mnx', but hit ESC to enter the monitor rather than = to boot. 3. type 'dosd5=minix.mnx' at the prompt 4. then type 'boot' to start minix 5. login as root then type 'mount /dev/dosd6 /mnt' (dosd6, not dosd5 as above) 6. /mnt will now be your too full root partition. go in and delete some of the things you've added. 7. shut down and boot to your minix.mnx and things should be ok. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:26:54 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > Do you have a double speed upgrade? Do you know for sure what > the crystal freq is? Whose driver are you using? Perhaps your > upgrade crystal is not an exact 2x multiple of the original. As far as I know all RTCs use a separate 32 kHz crystal. The reason being that although those are decidedly less accurate than MHz ones they allow the circuit to use significantly less current which in this case is considered more important. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:33:16 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > I wonder why initially a _signed_ 32bit was used, and not > an unsigned one, Must be soemthing to do with the C language. The same mistake was made in several places in the Atari OS, best known is the maximum number of sectors per partition being 32k instead og the sensible 64 k, i.e. 16 MB partitions instead of 32 MB. Can't be more precise as I don't speak any c myself. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:05:37 +0100 Reply-To: Chris Randle Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Randle Subject: Re: Looking for alternate off-line LX web reading (for news sites). In-Reply-To: <000a01c23005$d01c71d0$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On > Behalf Of Tim > Sent: 20 July 2002 16:55 > > Does anyone have a program or programs set up to grab and > download lots of news-related websites w/ a PC (a Windows > program would be OK ) and stick them in a directory on > a CF card that's set up w/ directory hierarchy, etc. for > proper reading in HV on the LX? Take a look at WebCopier from www.maximumsoft.com -- Chris Randle ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:23:01 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" > Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > I wonder why initially a _signed_ 32bit was used, and not > > an unsigned one, > > Must be soemthing to do with the C language. The same mistake was made > in several places in the Atari OS, best known is the maximum number of > sectors per partition being 32k instead og the sensible 64 k, i.e. 16 MB > partitions instead of 32 MB. > Can't be more precise as I don't speak any c myself. C allows either signed or unsigned. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:18:50 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > 01h56m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > > > Unix keeps track of time by counting seconds since 1 Jan 1970. It use= s a > > signed 32-bit counter accommodating 2147483647 seconds at most. When = the > > counter is full it'll be 19 January 2038. Depending on how programs a= re set > > up, they may run into troubles when the count begins anew. (I suspect= most > > counters will be changed to 64 bit counters by then, or just double t= he > > range by using unsigned 32 bit counters. > > I wonder why initially a _signed_ 32bit was used, and not > an unsigned one, which would have doubled the number of seconds and > thus extended the range up to a year about 2106. Who needs a signed > amount of seconds? A time in C (and Unix in general) is expressed as a 'time_t', which in turn is defined as an 'int'. By default, an int is signed. You can need a negative amount of seconds if you want to perform some arithmetic with time units, hence the signed type. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- quelqu'un peu-il me renseigner sur la confidentialit=E9 des E.mail surtout avec les pentium 3. Merci. -+- CA in : Guide du Neuneu Usenetien - Souriez vous =EAtes film=E9s -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:15:46 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:30:03 -0700, you wrote: >I assume you don't want to just start over :) Heh- no. I did unzip a new minix.mnx but it is giving problems. It constantly stops giving me a math coprocessor error the makes me do a hard reset. > >Well, what I would try is boot to an original dosminix file and >mount your too full partitions after booting. Example: Worked great. Now I am back into my old minix.mnx file. I removed all the stuff I had installed on the root filesystem and reinstalled it all in the usr filesystem. No problems. Was able to decompress and get the files with tar. Aqnyway, I read the ppp.doc and installing it seems pretty straight forward however it says to make sure networking is installed in the kernel in the config.h file. Is it? I am having trouble locateing config.h file again.=20 Thanks for your help. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Worked great. Now I am back into my old minix.mnx file. I removed all > the stuff I had installed on the root filesystem and reinstalled it > all in the usr filesystem. No problems. Was able to decompress and get > the files with tar. Aqnyway, I read the ppp.doc and installing it > seems pretty straight forward however it says to make sure networking > is installed in the kernel in the config.h file. Is it? I am having > trouble locateing config.h file again. /usr/include/minix/config.h and no networking is not enabled. There were some hints on running ppp on an xt system, on http://minix1.hampshire.edu/ somewhere. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:46:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0700, you wrote: >> Worked great. Now I am back into my old minix.mnx file. I removed all >> the stuff I had installed on the root filesystem and reinstalled it >> all in the usr filesystem. No problems. Was able to decompress and get >> the files with tar. Aqnyway, I read the ppp.doc and installing it >> seems pretty straight forward however it says to make sure networking >> is installed in the kernel in the config.h file. Is it? I am having >> trouble locateing config.h file again. > >/usr/include/minix/config.h and no networking is not enabled. >There were some hints on running ppp on an xt system, on >http://minix1.hampshire.edu/ somewhere. > Well I discovered one reason it didn't work when I tried accessing the flash card. There is no hard drive drive installed. So I enabled the XT one and enabled networking and am recompiling the kernel. I also disabled the floppy drive since the lx doesn't have one. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:50:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0700, you wrote: >> Worked great. Now I am back into my old minix.mnx file. I removed all >> the stuff I had installed on the root filesystem and reinstalled it >> all in the usr filesystem. No problems. Was able to decompress and get >> the files with tar. Aqnyway, I read the ppp.doc and installing it >> seems pretty straight forward however it says to make sure networking >> is installed in the kernel in the config.h file. Is it? I am having >> trouble locateing config.h file again. > >/usr/include/minix/config.h and no networking is not enabled. >There were some hints on running ppp on an xt system, on >http://minix1.hampshire.edu/ somewhere. > Well I discovered one reason it didn't work when I tried accessing the flash card. There is no hard drive drive installed. So I enabled the XT one and enabled networking and am recompiling the kernel. I also disabled the floppy drive since the lx doesn't have one. I noticed one other thing. There seems to be a dos fat file driver. Would that be any help for anything? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:53:54 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: Re: Norton Commander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel wrote: >1. the viewer app. "bitmap.exe" is a good supplement to lxpic: >It displays interlaced gifs. LXPIC also diplays them, .. xtgold does too >2. There is a link feature in NC4, which seems to acts similar to >the filer link: You can put it into server or client mode. I .. xtgold does too with xt-link (but i like w32filer.exe better) >3. The 123view.exe viewer is also nice! No need to load the >big 1-2-3 application to just view a wk1. And you can view .. xtgold can too >4. Can open ZIPs and look into them. However, I coudln't find a way >to e.g. view files inside a ZIP without manually unzipping them. .. XT-GOLD's zip/unzip facility is great - many options, including adding, deleting, listing files with specifications (ie. from a certain date, or specific extension) viewing of files with automatic scrolling, bookmarks, gathering text to save/append to another file, and highlighting text in the search feature, which is 10 times as fast as the LX's "memo" editor. The viewer also sports options for ASCII, Mask, Hex, Wordwrap, Dump, and lets you edit in Hex - all without unzipping your archived masterpieces Does anyone know of a program that works with zipped files in a more sophisticated way? There used to be anti-virus programs (F-prot) which checked for viruses inside zipped files. >I decided it's wirth the space for me. Needs almost 2 MB. the LX version of XT-Gold is specially designed for Pk-Zip work. All up it is only 300k. Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:17:54 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: <000901c23133$01020d40$3ffbf7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Well I discovered one reason it didn't work when I tried accessing the > flash card. There is no hard drive drive installed. So I enabled the > XT one and enabled networking and am recompiling the kernel. I also > disabled the floppy drive since the lx doesn't have one. > > I noticed one other thing. There seems to be a dos fat file driver. Would > that be any help for anything? No, at least I never got them to work, and I'm sure Mack tried too. All the drivers that can be compiled into the kernel require some support from the hardware that is apparently lacking on the LX. The only driver that does work is the one used to access the dosminix file. That's the dosfile driver. It works because it's making calls to DOS which is still there under minix you might say. That is the approach I have taken. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:04:48 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds In-Reply-To: <002e01c230f3$a4671380$c1f8f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Actually the driver does work. I can read and write to the > > times2tech drive without problems. I think the problem with > > dosread is that it uses the disk drivers installed in the > > Good theory. According to Kees on the minix newsgroup though Minix, while it > doesn't erese dos tsrs in memory, doesn't use them (which is why I can't > trun on my backlite or start charging). So maybe the TST disk driver justs > needs to set up the disk orginally then it can be accessed by minix calls > for the disk without accessing the driver. My guess is that your TSR's don't work because they require a keypress combination from you, and minix has taken over the keyboard interrupt. The T2T driver I would imagine has been hooked into the dos interrupts. When minix starts it uses the existing interrupt vectors for drive access and so the driver is still hooked in and functioning. > > I have run into a problem with my copy program. Reading works > > for any drive. Writing to the c: drive, or times2tech drive, > > works fine. Writing to the flash disk does not work reliably. It > > seems to be a writing speed problem on the LX. If I run it on a > There's no flash card driver so I'd be surprized if it would work with a > card. You could try making the flash card an I/O card and accessing it > directly. No, you misread that. My program does work, with any drive on the LX, it just doesn't work reliably writing to the flash card. The way my program works is that I am using DOS interrupts, in this case various functions of 21h. Now normally this would be a bad thing in minix or any other *nix, but since it is running in real mode I can get away with it. Mostly. My theory is that it is slower writing to the flash card than the other drives, and sometimes the interrupt doesn't finish writing the current buffer full of data to the flash card before minix wants control again. Then it locks up. Of course, maybe it is a problem with my palmtop. I have noticed that every once in a while there is a significant pause. For example, I'll be typing a sentence, and the character echo will stop, then catch up after a second or so. Perhaps this is the problem. Well, maybe it's time for someone else to try my programs, even if they are really rough yet. I've bundled them in a package which can be easily used to install them into the dosminix file. Directions and download are at http://minix.technoir.org I would suggest not writing to the flash card though! Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:32:12 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Replacing the roms In-Reply-To: <457mju41lt59dnuhmmb85tqg1h31j97ihi@4ax.com>; from jmusielewicz@earthlink.net on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 03:46:55PM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 03:46:55PM -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:43:38 +0800, you wrote: > >According to the 100/200LX Dev Guide, there are 8 16K banks > >(D000:0-EC00:0) and a 64K bank (C000:0). The 4 16K banks at > >D000:0-DC00:0 can apparently also be treated as a single 64K > >bank when XIP'ing from a PC Card. > > So does this mean a program can combine these to run in over 128k > continous space by mapping all of them together or does it have to > stick to the limit of 64k and only access one at a time? You should be able to map 8*16K + 1*64K individual memory chunks (or 4*16K + 2*64K chunks from an SRAM/ROM card) all at once. However, accessing the entirety of that 192K space requires playing with the segment registers (if I recall my long-forgotten forays into x86 assembly correctly 8-). - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:40:02 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" In-Reply-To: <003501c230e3$b3fce500$e30d22d1@oemcomputer>; from barry@FBTC.NET on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 01:22:51PM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 01:22:51PM -0500, Barry wrote: > I'm pretty sure I read about something like that happening > in unix. Since my unix experience is fairly limited the > details didn't really register in my head so I can't say > just what it was I read. And maye I'm wrong. But I'm > pretty sure I read about something like this. You may be referring to the billion-second event, but that was just last September. The theory: *nix apps that stored timestamps in seconds-since-the-epoch, and did so in text format, /and/ sorted such timestamps in ASCII rather than numerical form, would be in Heap Big Trouble at that time (1000000000 > 999999999 but "1000000000" < "999999999"). It turned out to be even less of an event than Y2K. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:45:44 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Using ppp to connect in Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I compiled ppp and chat in Minix and now am trying to use them to connect to my isp and get my mail. Problem is is I can't figure out how to make either chat or ppp dial out. In dosppp which is a Linux clone it is something like ppp connect chat -f 'chatscr'. But I don't see any way of doing it Minix. I tried the above and it didn't make chat dial. I read the man pages until I'm blue in the face and it doesn't say. Anyone have any ideas? Oh- btw the ppp package has a ppp server too. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:53:09 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:17:54 -0700, you wrote: >> Well I discovered one reason it didn't work when I tried accessing the >> flash card. There is no hard drive drive installed. So I enabled the >> XT one and enabled networking and am recompiling the kernel. I also >> disabled the floppy drive since the lx doesn't have one. >> >> I noticed one other thing. There seems to be a dos fat file driver. = Would >> that be any help for anything? > >No, at least I never got them to work, and I'm sure Mack tried >too. All the drivers that can be compiled into the kernel >require some support from the hardware that is apparently >lacking on the LX. The only driver that does work is the one >used to access the dosminix file. That's the dosfile driver. It >works because it's making calls to DOS which is still there >under minix you might say. That is the approach I have taken. Heh- thats too bad. I ended up having to transfer the minx.mnx file to my laptop to do any compiling. It ran out of memory on the palmtop and kept locking up. It ran out of memory in a dos box in windows too. I had to boot to dos and run it in 16 bit protected mode before it would finish compiling.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:29:57 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:04:48 -0700, you wrote: >> > Actually the driver does work. I can read and write to the >> > times2tech drive without problems. I think the problem with >> > dosread is that it uses the disk drivers installed in the >> >> Good theory. According to Kees on the minix newsgroup though Minix, = while it >> doesn't erese dos tsrs in memory, doesn't use them (which is why I = can't >> trun on my backlite or start charging). So maybe the TST disk driver = justs >> needs to set up the disk orginally then it can be accessed by minix = calls >> for the disk without accessing the driver. > >My guess is that your TSR's don't work because they require a >keypress combination from you, and minix has taken over the >keyboard interrupt. The T2T driver I would imagine has been >hooked into the dos interrupts. When minix starts it uses the >existing interrupt vectors for drive access and so the driver is >still hooked in and functioning. Here is what Kees said about Dos tsrs. In article <5hidjus0h9v9d93hdt7qbdl6b8vegv5135@4ax.com>, John Musielewicz wrote: >When I run dosMinix I have a bunch of tsrs running in dos. Some of >them seem to keep working others don't. Can someone explain how >DosMinix handles dos tsrs? TIA It doesn't. I only expect those to work that are involved with disk I/O somehow, because Minix switches back to DOS when it does I/O. Maybe some of the other TSRs also get a chance to do something during I/O. I'm still surprised that DOSMinix even works. There are quite a number of things that Minix takes for itself, like timers and IRQs, that could lead to big conficts with DOS. I didn't think it through much when I was coding this, or I would never have started. Especially given the short lifetime of DOSMinix. Windows Me, 2000 and XP don't allow it to run, so it has no future. --=20 Kees J. Bot, Systems Programmer, Sciences dept., Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > >> > I have run into a problem with my copy program. Reading works >> > for any drive. Writing to the c: drive, or times2tech drive, >> > works fine. Writing to the flash disk does not work reliably. It >> > seems to be a writing speed problem on the LX. If I run it on a >> There's no flash card driver so I'd be surprized if it would work with= a >> card. You could try making the flash card an I/O card and accessing it >> directly. > >No, you misread that. My program does work, with any drive on >the LX, it just doesn't work reliably writing to the flash card. > >The way my program works is that I am using DOS interrupts, in >this case various functions of 21h. Now normally this would be a >bad thing in minix or any other *nix, but since it is running in >real mode I can get away with it. Mostly. My theory is that it >is slower writing to the flash card than the other drives, and >sometimes the interrupt doesn't finish writing the current >buffer full of data to the flash card before minix wants control >again. Then it locks up. I think your right. I still think you should try using Dubs cardio. Writing to a card may be much faster if its an I/O device. > >Of course, maybe it is a problem with my palmtop. I have noticed >that every once in a while there is a significant pause. For >example, I'll be typing a sentence, and the character echo will >stop, then catch up after a second or so. Perhaps this is the >problem. Possibly.=20 > >Well, maybe it's time for someone else to try my programs, even >if they are really rough yet. I've bundled them in a package >which can be easily used to install them into the dosminix file. >Directions and download are at http://minix.technoir.org > >I would suggest not writing to the flash card though! I downloaded it but noticed the Minix download links were dead. > >Mike John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:17:57 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: upgrading BIOS: Comments: To: jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, >> I am mainly interested in being to upgrade the bios > >To change the code related to the charging stuff? Mack and >others have been quite successful in exerting considerable >influence over what the BIOS does for changing. I am not exactly sure if it is a good idea to do anything that might be interpreted as something related to reverse engineering or DMCA or whatever that might take you to court or jail. Multinational companies are quite picky about these issues. Just recently two "garage inc."-s manufacturing solder-on chips boards for M$ X-Box console quit business, when they were threatened with lawsuit worth 50x of their predicted yearly profit. Similar hacking manufacturers for PlayStation 2 quit years earlier, when Sony threatened to send in the Aibo robo-dog to bite them... If you want new firmware try to get HP to write it or convince them to release the source code of the original. If not possible you have to do things in software TSR, which can take precedence over firmware routines, but does not persist between reboots. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:22:48 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: bizarre observation Comments: To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > Second hand? So you ran some kind of analog clock display > program to see time fly? :-) It's built in! You can choose an analog clock, with second hand, as an alternative to the month calendar at the right of the screen in the appointment book. I use the clock in the todo list and the calendar in the appointment book to make it more obvious when I have each selected. (I've been confused before when I accidently selected the todo list.) Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:07:15 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, There are some real tech savvy people on this list so I hope you all don't mind my asking. The Omnigo is a great handheld but I'd like to be able to use pen input and control in its dos mode. I imagine it isn't an easy task as dos reports itself as running a CGA screen with 80 columns but only 30 are viewable at a time, restricted by the omni's narrow screen. I suppose if it was feasible somebody would have implemented it all ready, so my second question is anybody know of any dos and pen based handhelds with battery life comparable to the HP's? Obviously I'm not thinking of an IPAQ+emulator but maybe one of those casio zoomer things or similar? Thanks, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:04:30 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Is the RTC really driven by the main quartz? Actually, I don't know. I was just asking questions. I know that so many things are run off of the main crystal such as the display refresh and the serial port. It would be an easy thing to check if the RTC was. Just don't load the double speed driver and see if the clock runs too fast. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:04:29 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: 200LX clock accuracy (was: bizarre observation) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Theodore Heise wrote: > My current unit is a Thaddeus double speed and 32MB upgrade. > I've never checked its clock accuracy and will commence doing so > straight away Great. I will do the same. This morning, I will set the palmtop's clock to the accurate time via my atomic clock radio controlled clock on the wall. Then I will check it again in a couple of weeks. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:51:31 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Codepage question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'd like to change the codepage under both plain DOS and System Manager o= n my HP200LX. I normally never do this under plain DOS, as I prefer staying with the classic CP437 (I don't even use the CP850, as it's not necessary in French). Right now, I'd like to see if the CP819 is available, as it is *exactly* the same as ISO-8859-1. Unfortunately, I don't remember how to change the codepage, I don't know if the HP200 supports CP819, I don't know if it will work with the Andrew fonts, and I don't know if the System Manager will support it... A lot of question, hu? ;) Thanks for any valuable answers. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Il est =E9vident que quelque chose ne va pas chez vous. V=E9rifiez que vous n'avez pas un trojan qui s'=E9tait introduit et qui ouvre un de vos port =E0 un malfrat qui pompe des choses de chez vous. -+-ER in Se retrouver trojan comme devant-+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:02:56 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Norton Commander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nathalie 05h55m ago Nathalie Bugeaud wrote: > xtgold does too > xtgold does too with xt-link (but i like w32filer.exe better) > xtgold can too > XT-GOLD's zip/unzip facility is great - many options, including adding, > the LX version of XT-Gold is specially designed for Pk-Zip work. All up = it > is only 300k. So this seems to be worth a try! Which version should I try? The version on SUPER is v2, there is no mention of "gold", and it seems to be smaller than yours. Where can I get the version you describe? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:49:14 -0500 Reply-To: theise@netins.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: bizarre observation Russel Brooks writes: > Stanley Dobrowski wrote: > > Second hand? So you ran some kind of analog clock display > > program to see time fly? :-) > > It's built in! You can choose an analog clock, with second > hand, as an alternative to the month calendar at the right of > the screen in the appointment book. I use the clock in the todo > list and the calendar in the appointment book to make it more > obvious when I have each selected. Exactly right! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:57:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix > Heh- no. I did unzip a new minix.mnx but it is giving problems. It > constantly stops giving me a math coprocessor error the makes me do a > hard reset. Obvously your 200lx's math coprocessor is failing some of the time. But if it only does it sometimes I wouldn't worry about it. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:15:05 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Minix serial port speeds In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Well, maybe it's time for someone else to try my programs, even > >if they are really rough yet. I've bundled them in a package > >which can be easily used to install them into the dosminix file. > >Directions and download are at http://minix.technoir.org > > > >I would suggest not writing to the flash card though! > > I downloaded it but noticed the Minix download links were dead. Oops, moving some things around and forgot to adjust those links. Thanks. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:18:21 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Adrian Ho MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Ho" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 01:22:51PM -0500, Barry wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I read about something like that happening > > in unix. Since my unix experience is fairly limited the > > details didn't really register in my head so I can't say > > just what it was I read. And maye I'm wrong. But I'm > > pretty sure I read about something like this. > > You may be referring to the billion-second event, but that > was just last September. The theory: *nix apps that stored > timestamps in seconds-since-the-epoch, and did so in text > format, /and/ sorted such timestamps in ASCII rather than > numerical form, would be in Heap Big Trouble at that time > (1000000000 > 999999999 but "1000000000" < "999999999"). > > It turned out to be even less of an event than Y2K. That could be it. Maybe what I read was that the problem was due in a few years. I just don't remember. But if it had been about the difference in a numeric sort and an ascii sort I think I'd remember that. Who knows. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:33 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002c01c2318a$b6a96d80$210d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Ho" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: Date program "forward to the future" > > > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 01:22:51PM -0500, Barry wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure I read about something like that happening > > > in unix. Since my unix experience is fairly limited the > > > details didn't really register in my head so I can't say > > > just what it was I read. And maye I'm wrong. But I'm > > > pretty sure I read about something like this. > > > > You may be referring to the billion-second event, but that > > was just last September. The theory: *nix apps that stored > > timestamps in seconds-since-the-epoch, and did so in text > > format, /and/ sorted such timestamps in ASCII rather than > > numerical form, would be in Heap Big Trouble at that time > > (1000000000 > 999999999 but "1000000000" < "999999999"). > > > > It turned out to be even less of an event than Y2K. > > That could be it. Maybe what I read was that the problem was due > in a few years. I just don't remember. > > But if it had been about the difference in a numeric sort and an > ascii sort I think I'd remember that. Who knows. The Unix datetime has passed the billion since a few months... We had a badly written program that placed that datetime into a 10 bytes buffer (9 digits, plus the ending '\0'), and core dumped since that date... :( --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- PG >Ce retour rafraichissant dans fufe apr=E8s une p=E9riode d'absence C'est tout le probl=E8me de Gxxxxx, quand il n'est pas l=E0, il nous manque, quand il est l=E0, il nous manque aussi. -+- RM in: - L=E0, il ne l'a pas manqu=E9 -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:32:18 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Edwards" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:07 AM Subject: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 > Hello, > > There are some real tech savvy people on this list so I hope you all don't > mind my asking. The Omnigo is a great handheld but I'd like to be able to use > pen input and control in its dos mode. I imagine it isn't an easy task as dos > reports itself as running a CGA screen with 80 columns but only 30 are > viewable at a time, restricted by the omni's narrow screen. I suppose if it > was feasible somebody would have implemented it all ready, so my second > question is anybody know of any dos and pen based handhelds with battery life > comparable to the HP's? Obviously I'm not thinking of an IPAQ+emulator but > maybe one of those casio zoomer things or similar? I had the Tandy Zoomer (made by Casio) and it would boot to dos and if you modified autoexec.bat you could keep it from going into Geos. The problem with this was that when it was in Geos, autoexec.bat was opened exclusively and couldn't be accessed. Someone found a way around this and that's when dos became usable (barely) on the Zoomer. I forget how they got around it. Anyway when you finally were in dos life was difficult and you couldn't do much without tools. A few of us wrote simple tools to help but now I can't remember what they were. But I don't think dos knew or cared about the number of columns and rows on the screen. On a PC that's a BIOS concern. On the Zoomer I think that was a Geos concern. It might be the same on the Omnigo. However, Dos programs did expect an 80x25 screen so that was a problem. I think I remember that debug would run. Or maybe a home made debug. There are a lot of those around with source code. And since it wasn't concerned with screen size it had less problem. I think I remember it even scrolled, which I wouldn't expect without a BIOS. I just did a google search on OMNIGO+DOS and found a lot of pages about this. You might find what you're looking for that way. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:43:58 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 Comments: To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Edwards" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:07 AM Subject: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 > Hello, > > There are some real tech savvy people on this list so I hope you all don't > mind my asking. The Omnigo is a great handheld but I'd like to be able to use > pen input and control in its dos mode. I imagine it isn't an easy task as dos > reports itself as running a CGA screen with 80 columns but only 30 are > viewable at a time, restricted by the omni's narrow screen. I suppose if it > was feasible somebody would have implemented it all ready, so my second > question is anybody know of any dos and pen based handhelds with battery life > comparable to the HP's? Obviously I'm not thinking of an IPAQ+emulator but > maybe one of those casio zoomer things or similar? If you do that google search you might find this anyway but it's not easy to spot. http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/online/795/ogo/history.htm That page, about halfway down, has a link to a zip file containing a version of Turbo Pascal 3.01a, modified to run in Dos on the Omnigo. Pretty slick! :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:50:52 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 On the Zoomer, you didn't have to boot to DOS. I recall being able to start command.com from an icon. The problem with DOS mode on the Zoomer was the lack of a physical keyboard. Once you left the cozy confines of GEOS, you lost the onscreen keyboard and the Grafitti support. Basically, if you exited to DOS you had to have a batch file in hand to do any work, but interactive prompts were out of the question. If someone else knows otherwise, tell me cuz I still have my Zoomer, tho I rarely used it after I picked up the 200LX. - Longden > I had the Tandy Zoomer (made by Casio) and it would boot to dos and > if you modified autoexec.bat you could keep it from going into > Geos. The problem with this was that when it was in Geos, > autoexec.bat was opened exclusively and couldn't be accessed. > Someone found a way around this and that's when dos became usable > (barely) on the Zoomer. I forget how they got around it. > > Anyway when you finally were in dos life was difficult and you > couldn't do much without tools. A few of us wrote simple tools to > help but now I can't remember what they were. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:04:57 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 In-Reply-To: <20020722145054.ZAKF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a toaster oven which you could coax into running DOS. There was = some pattern of button presses and knob turns that you had to do. Of = course, it had no real keyboard or CRT so you couldn't even tell you = were in DOS... you just kinda had to accept that it worked. It was not = upgradeable so I eventually had to replace it with a 4-slice toaster. I = never found any hacks for the new one. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > lloo@ATT.NET > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:51 AM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 >=20 >=20 > On the Zoomer, you didn't have to boot to DOS. I recall > being able to start command.com from an icon. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:16:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 Comments: To: lloo@ATT.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 > On the Zoomer, you didn't have to boot to DOS. I recall > being able to start command.com from an icon. Somebody must have created this after I lost interest in the Zoomer. I've never seen anything like it. I got started with the Zoomer when they hadn't been out very long and I only stayed interested about a year or less. > The problem with DOS mode on the Zoomer was the lack of > a physical keyboard. Once you left the cozy confines of > GEOS, you lost the onscreen keyboard and the Grafitti > support. > > Basically, if you exited to DOS you had to have a batch > file in hand to do any work, but interactive prompts > were out of the question. I remember one of my contributions was a program that would recognize button presses and execute either one of two programs (or batch files, I had a program to run these) depending on which button you pressed. This was done after booting before Geos loaded. One thing a batch file could do was rename other batch files and run the button program again, giving you a kind of binary tree to follow. I think I later added the ability to react to the stylus in various ways depending on the general area where the stylus hit. That gave more choices on what prorgram it ran. I kept adding features to this but at some point I got a 95lx and forgot about the Zoomer. I forget how much I actually did add before then. I do know I had planned to have it present a menu of options that you could hit with the stylus. I don't think I ever finished that. The next step was to be a keyboard working in kind of the same way. I don't think I even started that. All this is from memory from a long time ago and my memory isn't the greatest anymore so I might have some of this a little mixed up. But it's mostly about right. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:37:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a backlight modification done in Japan pictured at: http://www.din.or.jp/%7Ezzz/hp200lx_bl.html They cut a hole in the bottom of the case to make room for the inverter. The last picture on the above URL shows the back with a plastic patch added to cover the hole. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:27 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek Sun, 21.07.02 8:07 PM +0200 Hi friends especially Martin Vagner and Radek Svagr, does anyone of you have a _working_ backlight setup by now? if yes, did you have to peel off the lower polarization layer from the screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX? Usually such an inverter is built by an oscillator and a little transformator, which MUST be pretty large, but I was suggested by the electronics store staff that I could use cascaded capacitor diodes to build up a smaller inverter. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:32:23 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 In-Reply-To: <001901c23195$bc2ab9c0$0100a8c0@rsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I think microshaft are looking into a windoze XPeremental version of = the 4 > slot toaster, > but they are having some stability problems.=20 I haven't heard of that one but I did hear about Windows XC for toilets = (I think XC is an acronym for eXCrement although MS will not confirm = that). I really dread finding out what the equivalent of a BSOD will be = with this one. I hear you can still order analog toilets and toasters = from Canada even though, technically, they're considered contraband in = the US. I also heard about a guy that was forced to have Windows XC on = his toilets in order to pass a home inspection and then later was able = to replace them with the Canadian toilets. He had to keep the windows XC = toilets in storage or he would not be able to sell the house later = because it would fail an inspection. This is the only thing keeping me = from modernizing my bathrooms even though my wife keeps complaining = about the mold on the tiles. Most people complain about how have to = flush more than once with Windows XC. The real kicker is that, when you = sell your house, you're not allowed to sell the toilet software. The = home buyer has to buy their own XC license... ridiculous. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:39:22 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: OT: pen as mouse in dos on Omnigo100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C231A6.B6F46F80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C231A6.B6F46F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the trick in the 4 slice model is the order in which you put the toast = in, remember they have to be fitted it matching pairs, fill toast slot 1+2 first,then slots 3+4,you have to make sure that the = slices are of the same brand and type, DON'T mix white and brown, and keep the multigrain and white separate. remember that the toast is the storage media, with the data being burnt = onto both sides of the media (that is if you are using double density = media,single density is only 1 sided) once in dos mode, remember not to overburn the data, or you could end up having to use the media extraction tools (knife and bin) to remove some = of the overburnt media. Once the data has been successfully burned then it can be treated with = various media enhances (butter, jam, peanut butter etc.) before being processed. I think microshaft are looking into a windoze XPeremental version of the = 4 slot toaster, but they are having some stability problems. Seems like = the Wintel p5tium processor is very fussy about the media and it's speed rating, and = refuses to burn at anything less than mightywhite speeds. It tends to throw up 'invalid media' = errors along with 'this toaster has performed an illegal operation, please press the media eject button' = at regular intervals, requiring removal and re-insertion of the power lead to continue. It = looks as if thet have a little more work to do! Their competitors ADM have a faster model but it tends to overheat the media, and requires a large heatsink over the XPerimental3000- = processor, which cuts down on the size of the media that can be used. So the race is on the the 4.75 gig 8 slot toaster...who will win ;-) Kerwin Robertson ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C231A6.B6F46F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the trick in the 4 slice model is the order in which you put the = toast in,=20 remember they have to be fitted it matching pairs,
fill toast slot = 1+2=20 first,then slots 3+4,you have to make sure that the slices are of the = same brand=20 and type,
DON'T mix white and brown, and keep the multigrain and = white=20 separate.
remember that the toast is the storage media, with the data = being=20 burnt onto
both sides of the media (that is if you are using double = density=20 media,single density is only 1 sided)
once in dos mode, remember not = to=20 overburn the data, or you could end up
having to use the media = extraction=20 tools (knife and bin) to remove some of the overburnt media.
Once the = data=20 has been successfully burned then it can be treated with various=20 media
enhances (butter, jam, peanut butter etc.) before being = processed.
I=20 think microshaft are looking into a windoze XPeremental version of the = 4
slot=20 toaster, but they are having some stability problems. Seems like the = Wintel=20 p5tium
processor is very fussy about the media and it's speed rating, = and=20 refuses to burn at anything
less than mightywhite speeds. It tends to = throw=20 up 'invalid media' errors along with 'this toaster
has performed an = illegal=20 operation, please press the media eject button' at regular=20 intervals,
requiring removal and re-insertion of the power lead to = continue.=20 It looks as if thet have a little more work to do!
Their competitors = ADM have=20 a faster model but it tends to overheat the
media, and requires a = large=20 heatsink over the XPerimental3000- processor, which cuts down on the = size of the=20 media that can be used.
So the race is on the the 4.75 gig 8 slot=20 toaster...who will win   ;-)

Kerwin=20 Robertson

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C231A6.B6F46F80-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:39:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix In-Reply-To: <001401c23187$bf911ea0$210d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:57:08 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:15 PM >Subject: Re: Unzipping a file in Minix > >> Heh- no. I did unzip a new minix.mnx but it is giving problems. >It >> constantly stops giving me a math coprocessor error the makes me >do a >> hard reset. > >Obvously your 200lx's math coprocessor is failing some of the time. >But if it only does it sometimes I wouldn't worry about it. :) LOL ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:48 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Musielewicz wrote: > I want to change the base limit of the A/D converter ... add > full native interrupt 13 support ... change the way the LX > boots so another OS can be booted from a flash card ... add > native backlite support ... something like flash can be used > ... additional none volital storge could be had at a reasonable > cost ... use the other part as a d drive ... all additional > memory could be used as ems instead of a volitlile c ramdrive > ... There is additional space in the LX so a small board > would fit ... I believe the rom use 3 volts so even that > would match Wow, John. You certain do have lots of great ideas! :-) Unfortunately, just about all of the above mentioned stuff is way beyond my abilities. :-( Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:50 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Russel Brooks wrote: > It's built in! You can choose an analog clock, with second > hand, as an alternative to the month calendar at the right of > the screen in the appointment book Yes, I forgot about that until someone mentioned it and then I checked. I doubt that I have ever used it. I probably blocked it out of my mind since I don't like analog clocks. 8-O > I've been confused before when I accidently selected the todo list I don't keep a ToDo list because then I would actually have to do stuff. I started with a Round Tuit List. That grew into a Maybe One Of These Days Collection. Then I upgraded to a Procrastination Database. Now I have achieved full Couch Potato status and I don't do it unless it is listed in the TV Guide. Well anyway, a guy can dream can't he? Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:53 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > Using bank switching a lot dos add another layer of complexity to a > program but it doesn't have to be particularly convuluted ... > I think the biggest effect it has is to > require extra care in the design of the program. But the > programming itself isn't that much more difficult in the stuff I've > done Right. And the other downside of having your data in bank switched EMS memory is that your program does not have access to all of the data as one big flat glob. It can only move around a 16K window on the data. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:51 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > I was using the disk access as an example of something that works > in fixed size chunks but can do more than one chunk. I didn't > intend any more than that by what I said I'm Sorry. I did not mean to imply that you were wrong. You are not. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:54 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: HD Sectors and FAT tables Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Barry wrote: > I knew the sector size on my old Radio Shack Color Computer was 256 > bytes. I always assumed that was fixed. > Later I learned that the sector size on the IBM PC was 512 bytes > and I guess I assumed that was fixed, too. > I knew both computers could use the same drives That was probably back in the MFM disk interface days and I really don't remember too many details about those disks. Also, the sector size would be a function of the low level formatting of the disk. Something you could do on MFM drives. Can't do that with IDE drives now. Every IDE interface hard disk I have seen using DOS FAT-type formatting uses 512 bytes as the "sector" size - being the smallest chunk of data read off/written to a disk. DOS's FAT16 table has the ability to keep track of something just short of 65,535 storage units. In the early DOS's, that storage unit was one 512 byte sector. But as disk sizes got up to 32MB and larger, then this method could not handle it. So, the next version of DOS (version 3.3, I think) introduced the concept of clusters. The FAT table kept track of clusters instead of individual sectors. And a cluster could be from 1 to 64 sectors (512 bytes to 32K bytes) in size. This allowed DOS FAT16 to work with disks up to 2.1 GB or so. Then this got to be a problem and so FAT32 was invented. FAT32 still uses the idea of clusters, but the FAT table now has 32 bit cluster pointers and therefore the ability to keep track of over 4 million clusters with each cluster being up to 32K each. So, FAT32 can work with a 131000 GB disk size. THat seems kind of high - maybe the cluster size max is smaller in FAT32. Hopefully, it will be a while before they have to upgrade this. I don't know how NTFS works in WinNT/2000/XP. It is an entirely different way of organizing the disk from the FAT method. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:56 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: Replacing the roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Musielewicz checked and reported back to us: > the built-in lotus does not see ems Darn. That is what I figured, but I seemed to have a glimmer of a memory of it working. I must have been dreaming. Thanks for checking. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:34:58 -0400 Reply-To: stan.hplx@VERIZON.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stanley Dobrowski Subject: Re: bizarre observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Axel Berger wrote: > As far as I know all RTCs use a separate 32 kHz crystal. The reason > being that although those are decidedly less accurate than MHz ones they > allow the circuit to use significantly less current Ah, yes. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the info. Stan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:32:43 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, The subject should keep those who filter happy.... This is totally OT, *BUT* this is my "known forum of smart people" ;-) A friend has a line in her home w/ the phone company's "call notes" [or think "answering service" on the phone company's end]. The problem is that to notify her of NEW messages, it employs 3-4 seconds of "stutter tone" (dial tone is broken w/ intermittent silence). She has an OLD laptop w/ a PC Card modem that interprets this "stutter tone" as "no dial tone" and it refuses to dial out. I believe I fixed this for myself once (years ago) w/ the init. string "ATX4DT" before the dialed number. The X4 was "supposed" to be the code to tell it to ignore lack of solid dial tone (but am unsure of the right init.). 1) A Hayes command set site says that X4 is for something else entirely: http://www.spiralspider.demon.co.uk/reference/content/hayes.htm 2) And (the biggie) I can't find ANY way to modify the initialization string in Win95 (she may have a bad install that isn't presenting me the proper tabs, buttons and controls in device manager, etc.). I've looked in modem properties (advanced and otherwise) in "device manager," dialing properties and even in "telephon.ini" ... Nothing. I've long since abandoned Win95 and thought I'd ask for a "nudge" in the right direction. TIA for any help!! --tim PS. It's a long story, but she's not going to be checking the messages on this line to get rid of the stutter tone. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:38:06 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... In-Reply-To: <200207221932.43348.palmtop@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Tim wrote: > I believe I fixed this for myself once (years ago) w/ the > init. string "ATX4DT" before the dialed number. The X4 was > "supposed" to be the code to tell it to ignore lack of > solid dial tone (but am unsure of the right init.). You're on the right track. I think any other Xn command should work (i.e., X0, X1, X2, or X3). -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:30:33 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Add ' (or it might be ,) in the init strig. It will give you a delay. Add as many as you need to avoid the stutter. ''''ATDT1234567 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... > Hi all, > > The subject should keep those who filter happy.... > > This is totally OT, *BUT* this is my "known forum of smart > people" ;-) > > A friend has a line in her home w/ the phone company's "call > notes" [or think "answering service" on the phone company's > end]. The problem is that to notify her of NEW messages, it > employs 3-4 seconds of "stutter tone" (dial tone is broken > w/ intermittent silence). She has an OLD laptop w/ a PC > Card modem that interprets this "stutter tone" as "no dial > tone" and it refuses to dial out. > > I believe I fixed this for myself once (years ago) w/ the > init. string "ATX4DT" before the dialed number. The X4 was > "supposed" to be the code to tell it to ignore lack of > solid dial tone (but am unsure of the right init.). > > 1) A Hayes command set site says that X4 is for something > else entirely: > > http://www.spiralspider.demon.co.uk/reference/content/hayes.htm > > 2) And (the biggie) I can't find ANY way to modify the > initialization string in Win95 (she may have a bad install > that isn't presenting me the proper tabs, buttons and > controls in device manager, etc.). > > I've looked in modem properties (advanced and otherwise) in > "device manager," dialing properties and even in > "telephon.ini" ... Nothing. I've long since abandoned > Win95 and thought I'd ask for a "nudge" in the right > direction. > > TIA for any help!! > > --tim > PS. It's a long story, but she's not going to be checking > the messages on this line to get rid of the stutter tone. > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:35:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops that shoud be atdt'''number ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... > Add ' (or it might be ,) in the init strig. It will give you a delay. Add as > many as you need to avoid the stutter. > > ''''ATDT1234567 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:32 PM > Subject: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... > > > > Hi all, > > > > The subject should keep those who filter happy.... > > > > This is totally OT, *BUT* this is my "known forum of smart > > people" ;-) > > > > A friend has a line in her home w/ the phone company's "call > > notes" [or think "answering service" on the phone company's > > end]. The problem is that to notify her of NEW messages, it > > employs 3-4 seconds of "stutter tone" (dial tone is broken > > w/ intermittent silence). She has an OLD laptop w/ a PC > > Card modem that interprets this "stutter tone" as "no dial > > tone" and it refuses to dial out. > > > > I believe I fixed this for myself once (years ago) w/ the > > init. string "ATX4DT" before the dialed number. The X4 was > > "supposed" to be the code to tell it to ignore lack of > > solid dial tone (but am unsure of the right init.). > > > > 1) A Hayes command set site says that X4 is for something > > else entirely: > > > > http://www.spiralspider.demon.co.uk/reference/content/hayes.htm > > > > 2) And (the biggie) I can't find ANY way to modify the > > initialization string in Win95 (she may have a bad install > > that isn't presenting me the proper tabs, buttons and > > controls in device manager, etc.). > > > > I've looked in modem properties (advanced and otherwise) in > > "device manager," dialing properties and even in > > "telephon.ini" ... Nothing. I've long since abandoned > > Win95 and thought I'd ask for a "nudge" in the right > > direction. > > > > TIA for any help!! > > > > --tim > > PS. It's a long story, but she's not going to be checking > > the messages on this line to get rid of the stutter tone. > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > > > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:49:23 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... In-Reply-To: <000701c231f0$ef2e5ba0$fbf9f7a5@libretto> from "John Musielewicz" at Jul 22, 2002 09:30:33 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Add ' (or it might be ,) in the init strig. It will give you a delay. Add as > many as you need to avoid the stutter. > > ''''ATDT1234567 I had a similar problem in Japan (or was it Korea), where the dial tone was of such a significantly different pitch that my modem didn't even recognize that a dial tone was present. You might look for an AT command that completely disables dialtone recognition - I think I was able to select this option in my Win9x Dialing properties without resorting to AT commands.... -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:45:38 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <200207221932.43348.palmtop@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try register s6 = wait for dial tone, read it and see whats in there than double or triple it >>2) And (the biggie) I can't find ANY way to modify the >>initialization string in Win95 (she may have a bad install >>that isn't presenting me the proper tabs, buttons and >>controls in device manager, etc.). try control panel, modems highlight the modem and press properties than click the connection tab than the advanced button and add extra modem strings in the extra settings edit field good luck! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:30:20 +0200 Reply-To: Feher Tamas Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Feher Tamas Subject: Re: Codepage question Comments: cc: erwann@ABALEA.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, >I'd like to change the codepage under both plain DOS and >System Manager on my HP200LX. DOS does not allow to change codepages with CGA screen, only EGA/VGA and better supported. System Manager does not have more codepages than 437/850/86x. You are left in the cold. Sincerely: Tamas Feher. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:05:41 -0700 Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Joseph Buford Subject: Database compare and SC Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings to All:-) Couple of questions: 1) Is there a program that will allow you to compare 2 databases on the PT? ie: an earlier Notes (.ndb) with a later notes (sme or different name)? 2) Is it possible to remap the Built-in keys to seperate SC sessions? ie: sys mgr running the appt on session 1, sts mgr running the phonebook on session 2, lotus 123 running a file on session 3, DOS game on session 4, etc? Thanks for any help Joe ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:00:56 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23262.2196A5E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23262.2196A5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial mouse to fit directly onto the serial port of my 200lx, I have found a source for the connectors and cheap(ish)=20 serial mice. Once I have figured out the wiring I might be in a=20 position to modify some more mice to order. I would prefer to use the same type of mouse as this simplifies the procedure. I estimate that I could provide a mouse with the connector and small dos mouse driver to fit the 200lx for about =A345 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail postage to = US) I am not promising anything, but if you could let me know if you are = interested I can gauge the demand, and the prices might drop! Please let me know your thoughts (good or bad!) best regards, Kerwin Robertson ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23262.2196A5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial = mouse
to fit directly onto the serial port of my 200lx,
I have found a source for the connectors and cheap(ish)
serial mice. Once I have figured out the wiring I might be in a =
position to modify some more mice to order.
I would prefer to use the same type of mouse as this = simplifies
the procedure. I estimate that I could provide a mouse with
the connector and small dos mouse driver to fit the 200lx
for about =A345 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail = postage to=20 US)
 
I am not promising anything, but if you could let me know if you = are=20 interested
I can gauge the demand, and the prices might drop!
 
Please let me know your thoughts (good or bad!)
 
best regards,

Kerwin Robertson
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23262.2196A5E0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:43:28 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <000c01c23259$c0262a40$0100a8c0@rsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hello all, 'sup >I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial mouse snip >for about =A345 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail postage = to US) Personally, I find the cost too expensive. This may be due to the fact = that I already have the connectivity cable and two db-9 converters that = can basically make the LX serial port form factor just like a PC serial = port. I've bought serial mice for less than $10 USD. The serial cable = and converters can probably be had for $40 or less, if shopped around, = and they add more utility because you can use them to connect to other = serial devices (modems, routers, etc.) On the flip side, there are those that wish to carry as little = paraphernalia as possible and only need a serial mouse. A custom-made = LX-specific mouse could be attractive. Can you make it in LX green ;^> ? BTW: I also find the price Daniel's serial port light a bit expensive = but he has no trouble finding buyers. Maybe I'm just cheap so take my = .02$ FWIW (probly less that .02$) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:03:20 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Eduardo Seudsnimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fair comment, the mouse is about $10 usd, the money is in the time to prepare the connector, solder the connector onto the mouse, test it, epoxy encase the wires, fit the stress relief, and heatshrink the whole lot so it looks 'professional'. I was also looking at producing a small converter to 'break out' the lx port to a standard serial port, this could be done for about $15-20 (at a guess). as for the custom paint job..............$$$$$ what would be ideal is to be able to use one of those cute optical mice, you know the really small ones. The problem is that unless it is a bog standard, plain vanilla serial mouse (not even one of those serial/ps2 jobs) it will not work with the lx. I think it is due to the ps2 versions having an on-board oscillator that is not required for serial only mice. The poor old lx can't handle the stress apparently. What would be ideal is an on-board serial port, built into the case. Any ideas anyone??? The other thing I was daydreaming about was ripping apart a 200lx and trying to fit a 486 dimmpc board into it, once the screen/keyboard/power/pcmcia etc. interfaces had been sorted (gulp!) then there would be plenty of room in the case for the dimmpc. Imagine, a 486 powered 300lx with vga mono screen, BACKLIGHT, full serial port, full IRDA, 32mb ram, type 2 compact flash slot and pcmcia slot, all in the same form factor as a standard 200........dream on. Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Seudsnimo To: Sent: 23 July 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX >Hello all, 'sup >I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial mouse snip >for about #45 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail postage to US) Personally, I find the cost too expensive. This may be due to the fact that I already have the connectivity cable and two db-9 converters that can basically make the LX serial port form factor just like a PC serial port. I've bought serial mice for less than $10 USD. The serial cable and converters can probably be had for $40 or less, if shopped around, and they add more utility because you can use them to connect to other serial devices (modems, routers, etc.) On the flip side, there are those that wish to carry as little paraphernalia as possible and only need a serial mouse. A custom-made LX-specific mouse could be attractive. Can you make it in LX green ;^> ? BTW: I also find the price Daniel's serial port light a bit expensive but he has no trouble finding buyers. Maybe I'm just cheap so take my .02$ FWIW (probly less that .02$) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:17:04 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <000a01c23262$7783b7e0$0100a8c0@rsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > fair comment, > the mouse is about $10 usd, the money is in the time to prepare the > connector, solder the connector onto the mouse, test it, > epoxy encase the wires, fit the stress relief, and heatshrink=20 > the whole lot > so it looks 'professional'. Your labor is certainly worth the price so don't be discouraged by my = comments. Thaddeus sold a lot of customized Newton keyboards for the LX. You may = want to contact Hal directly for his thoughts on the matter.=20 > I was also looking at producing a small converter to 'break out'=20 > the lx port > to a standard serial port, > this could be done for about $15-20 (at a guess). Now that sounds like something really handy. I think some people have = made these in the past and posted instructions but no one has sold them en = masse. > as for the custom paint job..............$$$$$ Never forget the 'neatness factor'. Cisco routers tend to be a similar=20 color as the LX but I have never seen any peripherals that are the same shade of green. > standard 200........dream on. Yeah, people have been dreaming along those lines for a long time. Some ideas become reality, tho. The memory upgrades and overclocking were probably thought to be a pipe dream at first. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:02:28 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates In-Reply-To: <000c01c23259$c0262a40$0100a8c0@rsa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! -= =20 I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running=20 Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being= =20 a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? =20 Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? (On further thought: Why not make it so when you click the left mouse=20 button, the backlight comes on, and when you click the right button, the=20 backlight goes off? In fact, if you have one of those mice with a wheel,=20 the wheel can be used to change the light's intensity! - Daniel? What do=20 you think?) Avi At 7/23/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all, >I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial mouse >to fit directly onto the serial port of my 200lx, >I have found a source for the connectors and cheap(ish) >serial mice. Once I have figured out the wiring I might be in a >position to modify some more mice to order. >I would prefer to use the same type of mouse as this simplifies >the procedure. I estimate that I could provide a mouse with >the connector and small dos mouse driver to fit the 200lx >for about =A345 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail postage to= US) > >I am not promising anything, but if you could let me know if you are=20 >interested >I can gauge the demand, and the prices might drop! > >Please let me know your thoughts (good or bad!) > >best regards, > >Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:00 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed 200lx, there are a lot of games that use the mouse, and xtreegold has mouse support. Does anyone know if any of the built in apps can use a mouse?? As for the backlight control, I could build in some white leds into the mouse, as long as it was pointed towards the screen it would be ok, mind you, my microsoft optical mouse on my desktop pc pushes enough light out of it to light up the whole room!!! Might drain the duracells rather too quickly though....... Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Ron Shanks Associates ; Sent: 23 July 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! - I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? (On further thought: Why not make it so when you click the left mouse button, the backlight comes on, and when you click the right button, the backlight goes off? In fact, if you have one of those mice with a wheel, the wheel can be used to change the light's intensity! - Daniel? What do you think?) Avi At 7/23/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all, >I am currently modifying a standard full size 3 button serial mouse >to fit directly onto the serial port of my 200lx, >I have found a source for the connectors and cheap(ish) >serial mice. Once I have figured out the wiring I might be in a >position to modify some more mice to order. >I would prefer to use the same type of mouse as this simplifies >the procedure. I estimate that I could provide a mouse with >the connector and small dos mouse driver to fit the 200lx >for about #45 (including postage to UK) / $85 (inc Air-mail postage to US) > >I am not promising anything, but if you could let me know if you are >interested >I can gauge the demand, and the prices might drop! > >Please let me know your thoughts (good or bad!) > >best regards, > >Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:46:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! - > I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running > Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being > a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? > Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? Flight Simulator. The problem with a mouse is it isn't portable. If someone is really serious about this I think a small clip-on attachment with something like a trackball or a tiny joystick like the Thinkpad has would be far more practical. And it could attach to the side of the LX so that it becomes part of the machine while it's attached. Hopefully a small part. I'd buy something like that for the Flight Simulator and a few other games. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:57:20 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <001101c23268$a2b5b480$290d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about a "Thumbelina"? Al Kind Technical Lab Manager, Microchemistry Lab CANR 3113 Horsebarn U4193, Storrs CT 06269-4193 ph (860)486-6126 eFAX (413)826-8780 -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:47 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! - > I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running > Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being > a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? > Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? Flight Simulator. The problem with a mouse is it isn't portable. If someone is really serious about this I think a small clip-on attachment with something like a trackball or a tiny joystick like the Thinkpad has would be far more practical. And it could attach to the side of the LX so that it becomes part of the machine while it's attached. Hopefully a small part. I'd buy something like that for the Flight Simulator and a few other games. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:10:59 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates In-Reply-To: <000e01c23265$c54def60$0100a8c0@rsa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/23/02 +0100, you wrote: >I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed >200lx, there are a lot of games that use the mouse, and xtreegold has mouse >support. Does anyone know if any of the built in apps can use a mouse?? Ah, yes! Autocad r10! Isn't it incompatible anymore with the later vaersions (I believe after r13, no?) And yes, Xtreegold has mouse support. Thanks for the reminders. AFAIK, no internal apps use mouse. >As for the backlight control, I could build in some white leds into the >mouse, as long as it was pointed towards the screen it would be ok, >mind you, my microsoft optical mouse on my desktop pc pushes enough >light out of it to light up the whole room!!! Might drain the duracells >rather too quickly though....... I meant something different: Whne you click on a mouse button, Daniel's backlight turns on - the one he is now trying to figure out to put behind he screen... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:12:25 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001101c23268$a2b5b480$290d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/23/02 -0500, Barry kindly reminded me where a Rodent might be used on the Palmtop: >Flight Simulator. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:18:55 -0000 Reply-To: Rolf Aronsson Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rolf Aronsson Subject: 200LX and the future. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 23 jul 2002 Hello all, especially Kerwin! Please, go on dreaming! I think there are lots of possibilities in this 200lx case. And with this list members pushing on there should be a machin= e of the time!! What HP didn=B4t discover, there are many people here, who h= ave done. I myself am not an electronic engineer, but a computer like Kerwins dream= and more to that (ie: better batterycapacity, place only for CF will give room for that ....), this machine I will pay for! Take my 32 mb hp and com= e along! Looking forward in the future.............. Another thing: Are there anybody who know a bank of electronic dictionaries? I am lookin= g for a program to my HP giving me possibilities to find words from english = to swedish and back. Very happy if this knowledge is on the list. Regards Rolf Aronsson, Sweden. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:24:39 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed > 200lx, I have a copy of autocad version 1.3 that came on the hard drive of a used computer I bought. I never thought to try it on the lx. I guess if r10 works then r1.3 should work fine. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:26:38 +0000 Reply-To: edoscuro@ATTBI.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Edwin Herdman Subject: ANN: Prototype HP-95lx I recently acquired a prototype HP-95lx. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=1366803824&rd=1 I believe it may have been used for presentations due to the finished appearance of the unit. I would appreciate any appraisal of this item but will not consider selling it unless an attractive enough offer comes by; note I have not posted this as For Sale. I have been offered $220 for it already. Any information on the history of prototype units would be welcome; if anybody has any. This particular unit comes without any known backstory. Thanks for looking, Edwin H. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:17:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Database compare and SC Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe 03h28m ago Joseph Buford wrote: > Couple of questions: > 1) Is there a program that will allow you to compare 2 databases on the = PT? > ie: an earlier Notes (.ndb) with a later notes (sme or different > name)? I would dump bothe databases into CSV and then run a text file compare utility over them, e.g. a DOS port of diff. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:17:59 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed 01h54m ago Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > BTW: I also find the price Daniel's serial port light a bit expensive = but he has no trouble finding buyers. Maybe I'm just cheap so take my Well, building custom devices or device parts in small amounts is always an expensive task, because it is _extremely_ time consuming. The parts are of course not the expensive part of such a device. But if you sum up all the time you need - to develop the device and find ways to produce it as effectively as possible - to buy the parts - to build the device - to maintain the sales process (sending invoices, handling requests, shipping etc) there is really a lot to consider here. If I am honest: The amount I ask for one LED light does NOT cover the total parts costs and the time spent for the process of making one LED light. But it is also fun to me and I learn a lot doing it, so I can justify the "low" price (although I know of course that for a buyer the price is not low. But imagine HP had developed such an LED serial port light: It may look a bit better, but it would cost at least twice as much, wouldn't it? And that although HP would produce it in much bigger lots than I do.). GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:18:01 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 01h49m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a = mouse! - > I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running > Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from = being > a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? = > Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? Many! For example GUIs of programming language packages, the Borland Pascal, C etc. packages. Although they can be driven nicely with shortcuts. But where you NEED a mouse are drawing tools, CAD, or even the TexCAD program which is part of my LXTeX package can use a mouse for convenient CAD drawing. Or Windows 3.0, Newdeal Office, Lotus 1-2-3 (not the built-in, of course), MS Word 5 or 6, Ms Flight Simulator 4, > (On further thought: Why not make it so when you click the left mouse > button, the backlight comes on, and when you click the right button, = the > backlight goes off? In fact, if you have one of those mice with a = wheel, > the wheel can be used to change the light's intensity! - Daniel? What = do > you think?) I think that for dimming the backlight, a little wheel on the side of the screen with a potentiometer would be the easier solution. ;-) Imagine if you draw a picture and with every click the backlight toggles on/off?! Not a good idea, Avi! :-)) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:18:02 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 01h30m ago Kerwin Robertson wrote: > As for the backlight control, I could build in some white leds into the > mouse, > as long as it was pointed towards the screen it would be ok, > mind you, my microsoft optical mouse on my desktop pc pushes enough > light out of it to light up the whole room!!! > Might drain the duracells rather too quickly though....... Don't think so: The palmtop serial port can only supply a limited current, which would probalby not be nough to let the LEDs shine so bright as on your desktop PC. But on the other hand, this saves battery, so two LEDs built into a mouse would not draw much more power than my LED light, I think. And that reduces battery life by about 10-20% if used constantly. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:18:03 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry and Kerwin, 01h18m ago Barry wrote: > The problem with a mouse is it isn't portable. If someone is > really serious about this I think a small clip-on attachment with > something like a trackball or a tiny joystick like the Thinkpad has > would be far more practical. And it could attach to the side of > the LX so that it becomes part of the machine while it's attached. > Hopefully a small part. What I have is a Cirque Glidepoint (Touchpad) which I attached a HP plug to. This is more convenient when you don't have a flat table surface, but if you must operate on your knees for example. OTOH, if you use a normal mouse driver for the Glidepoint, there are some odd behaviours in reacting to finger movement and finger tipping, which are not easy to get used to. Does anyone know of a DOS driver especially for the Cirque GLidepoint which eliminates these problems? And in addition, such Touchpads are not too easy to find, unlike cheap mice. But cheap _small_ serial mice are also hard to find! Most small mice are for USB nowadways. I'm still looking for the ultimate ointing device solution for the HP. A nice thing seems to be that Barbie pen thingy, which I have never seen, but would certainly like to have. I also tried a really small trackball, I think it was called "thumb ball" or so, I bought it in Vancouver, but returned it, since it didn't work with the mouse drivers I had on the LX while in Canada. Maybe it needed too much power. What I could imagine to be useful is a mouse, from which you remove the case, the ball and the cable, attach a HP plug with a very short cable, so that the mouse (or what's left after removing all that stuff, namely the board with the two axes and the wheels which control the two photo-electric eyes for x and y movement) is places very near the palmtop and you can move the cursor by simply turning the two axes. That would avoid unwanted cursor movement after the actual _wanted_ movement, and it would avoid that you have to move something around on the table, which takes more room to be moved than the whole computer. But it certainly requires some experience to be useful. I haven't tried this for myself yet. Maybe it would be good to make the x and y axes thicker by attaching rubber wheels to them or wrap them into adhesive tape or something.... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:19:20 +0200 Reply-To: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Subject: Re: Prototype HP-95lx In-Reply-To: <20020723172639.ZFV26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I recently acquired a prototype HP-95lx. Nice thing. Too bad I didn't notice the auction :-\ > I would appreciate any appraisal of this item but will > not consider selling it unless an attractive enough > offer comes by; note I have not posted this as For Sale. It's a nice and rare machine in great condition. Put it in a safe place... You might want to think about donating it to my museum ;-) regards, Oli "greed" ver ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:38:19 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everubody=20 especially Daniel Hertrich No I haven't working backlight right now. I am researching about the small inverter unit already. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:27 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek Sun, 21.07.02 8:07 PM +0200 Hi friends especially Martin Vagner and Radek Svagr, does anyone of you have a _working_ backlight setup by now? if yes, did you have to peel off the lower polarization layer from the screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX? Usually such an inverter is built by an oscillator and a little transformator, which MUST be pretty large, but I was suggested by the electronics store staff that I could use cascaded capacitor diodes to build up a smaller inverter. Radek, what about the DIY kit? I'm fairly enthusiastic now about the backlight project, because it seems not too hard to prepare the screen, if it's really only necessary to remove the _reflective_ layer, and NOT the polarization layer. The only problem is to find a small inverter now. Well, aren't there 3V Lithium AA batteries? If we would use such cells to power the palmtop, only one AA battery place had to be used for the battery, and the other battery tray would be free for other material - for example an inverter. :-) This would limit the palmtop of course to be powered by probably expensive 3V cells. Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:49:28 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: Czech/English and reverse dictionary for HP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody=20 Do you want anybody? Chcete? For Free! Just mail me. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:18 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Hi Barry and Kerwin, 01h18m ago Barry wrote: > The problem with a mouse is it isn't portable. If someone is > really serious about this I think a small clip-on attachment with > something like a trackball or a tiny joystick like the Thinkpad has > would be far more practical. And it could attach to the side of > the LX so that it becomes part of the machine while it's attached. > Hopefully a small part. What I have is a Cirque Glidepoint (Touchpad) which I attached a HP plug to. This is more convenient when you don't have a flat table surface, but if you must operate on your knees for example. OTOH, if you use a normal mouse driver for the Glidepoint, there are some odd behaviours in reacting to finger movement and finger tipping, which are not easy to get used to. Does anyone know of a DOS driver especially for the Cirque GLidepoint which eliminates these problems? And in addition, such Touchpads are not too easy to find, unlike cheap mice. But cheap _small_ serial mice are also hard to find! Most small mice are for USB nowadways. I'm still looking for the ultimate ointing device solution for the HP. A nice thing seems to be that Barbie pen thingy, which I have never seen, but would certainly like to have. I also tried a really small trackball, I think it was called "thumb ball" or so, I bought it in Vancouver, but returned it, since it didn't work with the mouse drivers I had on the LX while in Canada. Maybe it needed too much power. What I could imagine to be useful is a mouse, from which you remove the case, the ball and the cable, attach a HP plug with a very short cable, so that the mouse (or what's left after removing all that stuff, namely the board with the two axes and the wheels which control the two photo-electric eyes for x and y movement) is places very near the palmtop and you can move the cursor by simply turning the two axes. That would avoid unwanted cursor movement after the actual _wanted_ movement, and it would avoid that you have to move something around on the table, which takes more room to be moved than the whole computer. But it certainly requires some experience to be useful. I haven't tried this for myself yet. Maybe it would be good to make the x and y axes thicker by attaching rubber wheels to them or wrap them into adhesive tape or something.... GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:13:28 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel wote: > Hi Ed >=20 > 01h54m ago Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: >=20 > > BTW: I also find the price Daniel's serial port light a bit=20 >> expensive but he has no trouble finding buyers. Maybe I'm just=20 >> cheap so take my >=20 > > Well, building custom devices or device parts in small amounts is > always an expensive task, because it is _extremely_ time consuming. > The parts are of course not the expensive part of such a device. >=20 > But if you sum up all the time you need I completely agree with you and am glad you have not interpreted my = remarks in a negative way. Everyone values things differently = (Microeconomics 101). I have looked at your page and can certainly = appreciate the work involved. You seem like a very intelligent = individual so I'm sure you can charge a lot for your time in a = professional consulting capacity. I certainly think $35 is worth the = price for the light. It just is not worth it for _ME_. I'm sure your = buyers are happy, tho. Regards. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:47:16 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1 day 02h48m ago Feldman, Robert wrote: > There is a backlight modification done in Japan pictured at: > http://www.din.or.jp/%7Ezzz/hp200lx_bl.html > > They cut a hole in the bottom of the case to make room for the inverter.= The > last picture on the above URL shows the back with a plastic patch added = to > cover the hole. Well, that one seems to make the PCMCIA slot unsuable. :-( Not such a good idea, IMO. But it would be interesting how these people managed to remove the adhesive layer from the back of the screen. Unfortunately, I cannot read anything. ;-) Is anyone able to translate that? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:45:09 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/23/02 +0200, Daniel wrote: >Hi Avi > >01h49m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > > > While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! - > > I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running > > Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being > > a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? > > Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? > >Many! For example GUIs of programming language packages, the Borland >Pascal, C etc. packages. Although they can be driven nicely with >shortcuts. Hmmm... I would prefer the shortcuts as it is ALWAYS faster than groping around in the mess of my desk (aka: Rodent's Living Space! ) for the rodent, and then grab it and push in its eyes. I'd count the other apps because the rodent is either an enhancement of usage, or the only way to interact. Where the alternative keyboard shortcuts are better I wouldn't count that as a rodent-using app - more like a rodent-crippled app. >But where you NEED a mouse are drawing tools, CAD, or even the TexCAD >program which is part of my LXTeX package can use a mouse for >convenient CAD drawing. Right, the original posted that too. >Or Windows 3.0, Nah! it is not useful enough to even rise to the status of "running application". >Newdeal Office, yeah, yeah... See above. > Lotus 1-2-3 (not the built-in, Right! And it slows you down much worse. ALL the commands in 123 can be done from the keyboard, so mouse is NOT an enhancement. >MS Word 5 or 6, I think they are all fully keyboarded. >Ms Flight Simulator 4, Mentioned. I hardly EVER play games on the computer (I prefer to read good literature, take a walk, or even arrange my socks alphabetically by color, rather then destroy my eyes on mind-numbing games. > > (On further thought: Why not make it so when you click the left mouse > > button, the backlight comes on, and when you click the right button, the > > backlight goes off? In fact, if you have one of those mice with a wheel, > > the wheel can be used to change the light's intensity! - Daniel? What do > > you think?) > >I think that for dimming the backlight, a little wheel on the side of >the screen with a potentiometer would be the easier solution. ;-) Build it right into the mouse! >Imagine if you draw a picture and with every click the backlight >toggles on/off?! Not a good idea, Avi! :-)) No, no - I did not mean to use it at the SAME TIME. I meant if no other uses for the mouse, it can serve as the light on/off switch, plus the conversation starter with beautiful ladies. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:29 +0200 Reply-To: Vagner Martin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Vagner Martin Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody especially for Daniel Hertrich Try ALtavista's Babel fish, it works pretty good Martin -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:47 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek 1 day 02h48m ago Feldman, Robert wrote: > There is a backlight modification done in Japan pictured at: > http://www.din.or.jp/%7Ezzz/hp200lx_bl.html > > They cut a hole in the bottom of the case to make room for the = inverter. The > last picture on the above URL shows the back with a plastic patch = added to > cover the hole. Well, that one seems to make the PCMCIA slot unsuable. :-( Not such a good idea, IMO. But it would be interesting how these people managed to remove the adhesive layer from the back of the screen. Unfortunately, I cannot read anything. ;-) Is anyone able to translate that? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:33:29 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 39m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > Hmmm... I would prefer the shortcuts as it is ALWAYS faster than = groping > around in the mess of my desk (aka: Rodent's Living Space! ) for the > rodent, and then grab it and push in its eyes. I'd count the other apps > because the rodent is either an enhancement of usage, or the only way = to > interact. Where the alternative keyboard shortcuts are better I wouldn't > count that as a rodent-using app - more like a rodent-crippled app. I see - you are strictly against using mice whereever they can be avoided. :-) > >Or Windows 3.0, > > Nah! it is not useful enough to even rise to the status of "running > application". > > >Newdeal Office, > > yeah, yeah... See above. There are people who like Windows or similar things. > Right! And it slows you down much worse. ALL the commands in 123 can be > done from the keyboard, so mouse is NOT an enhancement. It can be an enhancement if you are used to it and doesn't know all the keyboard shortcuts. YOu had to learn them. Probably good if you want to make effective use of the program, but maybe not necessary if you need it only occasionally and have a mouse. > >MS Word 5 or 6, > > I think they are all fully keyboarded. See above. > Mentioned. I hardly EVER play games on the computer (I prefer to read = good > literature, take a walk, or even arrange my socks alphabetically by = color, > rather then destroy my eyes on mind-numbing games. I have lots of games on my LX, but I really NEVER have the chance to play them. Too many other things to do. Actually I wish I would have the time for a game or two a day, but no, I haven't. :-( I actually also don't like mouse usage on the LX, especially because the mouse cursor is so small that it is hard to find on the screen, especially during movements, because the LCD is so inert. But I have an LX mouse and touchpad, so I am prepared. And for TexCAD, mouse is still the best input device, even on the LX. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:50:10 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Using Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to tranlate (not very well!) the page, it seems like they are still able to use the slot because they replaced the speaker with a small transducer. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:47 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek 1 day 02h48m ago Feldman, Robert wrote: > There is a backlight modification done in Japan pictured at: > http://www.din.or.jp/%7Ezzz/hp200lx_bl.html > > They cut a hole in the bottom of the case to make room for the inverter. The > last picture on the above URL shows the back with a plastic patch added to > cover the hole. Well, that one seems to make the PCMCIA slot unsuable. :-( Not such a good idea, IMO. But it would be interesting how these people managed to remove the adhesive layer from the back of the screen. Unfortunately, I cannot read anything. ;-) Is anyone able to translate that? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:33:51 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020723143512.040ee650@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > >Or Windows 3.0, > > Nah! it is not useful enough to even rise to the status of "running > application". I must admit that I prefer Windows 2.11 for running Word 1.1 and Excel 2.0. But the Paint program made Windows useful for me. > Mentioned. I hardly EVER play games on the computer (I prefer to read > good literature, take a walk, or even arrange my socks alphabetically > by color, rather then destroy my eyes on mind-numbing games. I never play computer games either, but just for clarification, not ALL games are mind-numbing. Many of them require lots of thought. Though maybe not arcade-style games. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:09:18 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: ianb@HPLX.NET In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/23/02 -0700, Ian Butler wrote: >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > >Or Windows 3.0, > > > > Nah! it is not useful enough to even rise to the status of "running > > application". > >I must admit that I prefer Windows 2.11 for running Word 1.1 and Excel >2.0. But the Paint program made Windows useful for me. That's kinda of narrow life you are leading, making do with four glorious colors such as black, white, grey and dark grey. Which monastery do you live in now? > > Mentioned. I hardly EVER play games on the computer (I prefer to read > > good literature, take a walk, or even arrange my socks alphabetically > > by color, rather then destroy my eyes on mind-numbing games. > >I never play computer games either, but just for clarification, not ALL >games are mind-numbing. Many of them require lots of thought. Though >maybe not arcade-style games. Ok - you posed the question like you know I'll bite that flashy little wiggly thing, and so I will! What computer games are not like TV? I am not talking about games that are using the computer as a platform, but computer games. Chess fits into the first category - it was "ported" to the computer. Bridge is the same. But dumbass Duke'em Nuke'em was created on the computer because you can kill so much faster, destroy so much more spectacularly than on what - a paper-based version? You get my drift, right? I think that's my other painpoint: So many computer-based games now are promoting killings, maiming, destruction and violence for the purpose of nothing more than violence. If they had some other values, say religion, or anti-religion, maybe it would be ever so slightly less disgusting. Besides, maybe Dr Nat would then play these games, instead of playing doctor or playing Cinnaid Best rgds, Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:36:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Hi Avi 01h49m ago Avi Meshar wrote: >> While I think it is a nice addition - EVERY computer should have a mouse! - >> I am not sure what will this be used for. Most of us are NOT running >> Windows on the Palmtop, so how will the rodent be useful, aside from being >> a way to begin conversations with nice, somewhat technical ladies? >> Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? > > Many! For example GUIs of programming language packages, the Borland > Pascal, C etc. packages. Although they can be driven nicely with > shortcuts. IDE's are for wimps, Daniel. :) TC 2.0 is fairly fast on my single speed 200lx using the command line compiler. Using the IDE it's painfully slow and the debugger locks up and dealing with the eccentricities of the IDE is a real pain and uses up too much ram. Barry (the unbiased) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:47:50 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Codepage question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erwann ABALEA wrote: > Right now, I'd like to see if the CP819 is available CP819 is not available on the Palmtop. The SDK only refers to: CP437h US CP850h Multilingual CP852h Slavic CP860h Portugal CP863h Canada-French CP865h Norway > Unfortunately, I don't remember how to change the codepage mov ah,0dah ;function mov al,1 ;set mov bx,850h ;code page number int 10h ;do it > I don't know if it will work with the Andrew fonts not unless you change the font. But you could edit the Andrew font to become CP819, which will then also be displayed under SysMgr. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:47:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Hi Barry and Kerwin, 01h18m ago Barry wrote: > The problem with a mouse is it isn't portable. If someone is > really serious about this I think a small clip-on attachment with > something like a trackball or a tiny joystick like the Thinkpad has > would be far more practical. And it could attach to the side of > the LX so that it becomes part of the machine while it's attached. > Hopefully a small part. What I have is a Cirque Glidepoint (Touchpad) which I attached a HP plug to. This is more convenient when you don't have a flat table surface, but if you must operate on your knees for example. If the "mouse" was attached kind of firmly you could probably use it in any position in which you can use keys. It should be possible to come up with a design that won't make the lx more than 1/2 to 1 inch longer. And ideally it should pop off and on easily. > OTOH, if you use a normal mouse driver for the Glidepoint, there are > some odd behaviours in reacting to finger movement and finger tipping, > which are not easy to get used to. Does anyone know of a DOS driver > especially for the Cirque GLidepoint which eliminates these problems? If you can get the specs on the device writing a driver for it, or modifying an existing mouse driver (there are a lot of them around with source code) probably wouldn't be a major task. But I'm just guessing. I wrote some code inside a program (not a driver per se) years ago to drive a proportional joystick coming in the serial port (not on a PC). It was a little tricky figuring out the signals, since I couldn't find documentation. But the rest was fairly easy. That's pretty much the same as what a mouse driver does, except being faster the pc driver could probably track movements between information requests and I wasn't able to do that with a much slower computer. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:57:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > Mentioned. I hardly EVER play games on the computer (I prefer to read good > literature, take a walk, or even arrange my socks alphabetically by color, > rather then destroy my eyes on mind-numbing games. I love good literature and even a lot of bad literature. And all my socks are identical so I don't have to worry about them. But I still find time to save an occasional planet from Doom, and to conquer that other Empire from time to time. I consider it a duty and I do my part. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:39:49 -0400 Reply-To: Andrew Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Andrew Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerwin Keep us up to date on how the AutoCad works. I'd love to have it on my doublespeed 8Mb palmtop. I've got a cheap 3 button mouse I could adapt. Would you consider supplying a wiring diagram for a fee? I have got a Barbie pen mouse, I actually use it for AutoCAD on my Thinkpad 560, much better for drawing than the "eraser" which I like for most things. The Barbie pen mouse only has two buttons and I really miss the center button for pulling up the "snap to" menu in AutoCAD R13 (does it work the same in R10?). -- Andrew King Ann Arbor Michigan technology is the answer, what was the question? > Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:00 +0100 > From: Kerwin Robertson > > I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my > doublespeed 200lx, ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:59:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates In-Reply-To: <000a01c23262$7783b7e0$0100a8c0@rsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:03:20 +0100, you wrote: >The other thing I was daydreaming about was ripping apart a 200lx and = trying >to fit a 486 dimmpc board into it, >once the screen/keyboard/power/pcmcia etc. interfaces had been sorted >(gulp!) then there would be plenty >of room in the case for the dimmpc. >Imagine, a 486 powered 300lx with vga mono screen, BACKLIGHT, full = serial >port, full IRDA, 32mb ram, >type 2 compact flash slot and pcmcia slot, all in the same form factor = as a >standard 200........dream on. How would you get the pereprials? I looked at a dimmpc and they don't use a system integrated 486 so you would need to add a everything including serial support on a second board. Are there other dimmpc boards that do use integrated cpus? Would there be enough room in the case of the LX? The present board is only about 3 inches by 2 inches and there is about 15 mm of height in the case (if my memory serves correctly). BTW the AMD 486 elan is being phased out and replaced by a 586 and it doesn't look like AMD has introduced a system integrated chip with pcmcia and such with the 586:(. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:15:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: LED lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 24.07.02 07:54 AM +0200 Hi friends, hehe, speaking about LED light prices: I have some LED lights left, Pleaase eail me if interested. Prices are still the old ones for list members, 35$ plus shipping. 29$ plus shipping for the LED lights with very different light intensities on both LEDs. If you find the difference too anoying, you could cut the two defaullt LEDs and mount your own ones. BTW: I just tried to use the LED light with the 95LX and with the Omnigo 100: On the 95LX with the 4pin-10pin adapter, the light works nicely, although lighton doesnot work: It makes its sound when pressing Fn-L (so the hotkey is recognized), but the light doesn't switch on or off. Stefan, do you think you could easily adapt lighton for the 95LX? Or anyone else? On the Omnigo 100, the light didn't switch on at all, but I have yet to try if lighton is somehow loadable and usable on the Omnibo 100. Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:15:58 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed 10h50m ago Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > I completely agree with you and am glad you have not interpreted my = remarks in a negative way. Why should I? It is your personal opinion, so where should be the problem? :-) > Everyone values things differently > (Microeconomics 101). Especially seller and buyer. ;-) But for those buyers who can agree with the price the seller has set, there is no problem at all. For those who cannot there are two possibilities: Don't buy or negotiate another price with the seller. Well, please don't try to negotiate with _me_, because as I said, the price I ask for the LED light is already very low, from my point of view. > I have looked at your page and can certainly appreciate the work = involved. You seem like a very intelligent > individual so I'm sure you can charge a lot for your time in a professio= nal consulting capacity. I certainly think $35 is worth the > price for the light. It just is not worth it for _ME_. I'm sure your = buyers are happy, tho. I hope so. So far nobody has complained about anything. Many boayers have expressed = their satisfaction with the light, so I think the price is also okay from a buyer's point of view. And see: Nobody actually _has_ to buy the light, because instructions to build on are publicly available. If money was the only thing I would care about, I had never made all that info publicly available. But regarding the "obsolete" HP palmtops, I think every little bit of knowledge should be shared. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:50:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Setting up a psip device in Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got everything working so now chat dials my isp and starts the ppp.drv. However the ppp.drv keeps ending and telling me I don't have a psip device. I have used netdefault to make a psip, tcp, ip, and udp in the /dev directory. I have al;so enabled networking and recompiled. Is there something else I need to do to set up a default network? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:29:05 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: Pen mouse drivers (was: Mouse for HP200LX) Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 23/07/02 19:21:15 GMT Daylight Time, daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE writes: << OTOH, if you use a normal mouse driver for the Glidepoint, there are some odd behaviours in reacting to finger movement and finger tipping, which are not easy to get used to. Does anyone know of a DOS driver especially for the Cirque GLidepoint which eliminates these problems? >> No but there are two drivers available at the following website you might want to try: http://dougspc.uts.ohio-state.edu/t100xndo.htm BTW, the fact that there is graffiti text recognition software for geos on this page, and older geos ensemble OS are considered genuine abandonware, I see no reason why graffiti input could not be used as an alternative method on the 200lx (hardware and drivers permitting.) Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:13:33 -0000 Reply-To: Rolf Aronsson Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rolf Aronsson Subject: Bad games......... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 24 juli 2002. Dr Avi! Please, you forgot to right your words about games( plenty of Killings, violenece as a princip, etc....) in big letters. I will SHOUT to the world on this theme. But now to our LX. Thanks again, Avi!! Regards Rolf Aronsson, ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:34:49 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit autocad is upwardly compatible, so you can open a r10 drawing in r12,r13,r14 and 2000 but you need to have r14 and r12 to do the jump downward to get an r14 dwg into r10 via r12 hope that this makes sense! Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Ron Shanks Associates ; Sent: 23 July 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX At 7/23/02 +0100, you wrote: >I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed >200lx, there are a lot of games that use the mouse, and xtreegold has mouse >support. Does anyone know if any of the built in apps can use a mouse?? Ah, yes! Autocad r10! Isn't it incompatible anymore with the later vaersions (I believe after r13, no?) And yes, Xtreegold has mouse support. Thanks for the reminders. AFAIK, no internal apps use mouse. >As for the backlight control, I could build in some white leds into the >mouse, as long as it was pointed towards the screen it would be ok, >mind you, my microsoft optical mouse on my desktop pc pushes enough >light out of it to light up the whole room!!! Might drain the duracells >rather too quickly though....... I meant something different: Whne you click on a mouse button, Daniel's backlight turns on - the one he is now trying to figure out to put behind he screen... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:36:24 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yup, should work fine, if anyone needs 'help' to put autocad r10 on their LX drop me an e-mail off list, Kerwin Robertson Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Sent: 23 July 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed > 200lx, I have a copy of autocad version 1.3 that came on the hard drive of a used computer I bought. I never thought to try it on the lx. I guess if r10 works then r1.3 should work fine. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:48:05 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? Comments: To: Andrew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit autocad 10 works fine on my doublespeed 5mb lx you need the acadlx package from SUPER, you will need autocad 10 of course, if you need some 'help' to find it just e-mail me off list ;-) I am preparing a wiring diagram as we speak, I will release it to the list for the good of mankind and lx's everywhere, I will also let you all in on a good source for the serial port connector. watch the skies....... Kerwin Robertson Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: 24 July 2002 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? Kerwin Keep us up to date on how the AutoCad works. I'd love to have it on my doublespeed 8Mb palmtop. I've got a cheap 3 button mouse I could adapt. Would you consider supplying a wiring diagram for a fee? I have got a Barbie pen mouse, I actually use it for AutoCAD on my Thinkpad 560, much better for drawing than the "eraser" which I like for most things. The Barbie pen mouse only has two buttons and I really miss the center button for pulling up the "snap to" menu in AutoCAD R13 (does it work the same in R10?). -- Andrew King Ann Arbor Michigan technology is the answer, what was the question? > Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:00 +0100 > From: Kerwin Robertson > > I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my > doublespeed 200lx, ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:33:27 +0100 Reply-To: "Brown, William D" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Brown, William D" Subject: ReadySyncGo! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain This may have come up before, but I don't recall it. has an interesting variation on synchronisation with mobile devices. I don't quite see how it all works, but in principle it looks like it supports WAP access to information that you synch betwen your desktop and their server. Where you can install a client application, it uses that to access the data. In theory an application on the LX (or a WAP browser) could interpret the datastream and use that to synch with the LX. However I don't fancy storing my contacts and calendar on someone else's server, and their Ts&Cs expressly prohibit reverse engineering. William D.Ll.Brown ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:59:51 EDT Reply-To: OMikeEdwardsO@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mike Edwards Subject: Utility to view sample waveform on the 200lx display MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is probably a strange request but for I project I'd like to work on, I need to be able to load a sample (raw data or .wav, .aiff etc) and display the waveform. I also need to be able to zoom in and out and have the cursor postion report useful output such as the distance in samples (or seconds) and the amplitude. I found a program called fft4wav3 that is supposed to run on a 286 but isn't working for me. Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:28:06 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Utility to view sample waveform on the 200lx display MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Edwards wrote: > need to be able to load a sample (raw data or .wav, .aiff > etc) and display the waveform. This isn't going to to help you, but I keep being amazed at the ideas other LXers get up to. Reminds me of when I lived in Aachen: congested and no parking. I found a small motorcycle much more convenient to get around with than a car, but buying bulky furniture at a cash and carry I did not really spend much time finding a way to do that with the cycle too but rather went for the car immediately. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:27:44 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Avi Meshar wrote: > Are there many DOS applications that use a rodent? LXPIC supports a mouse for zooming/panning/previous/next image. LXTEL is completely mouse controlled. Both are plain DOS applications targeted for the Palmtop. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:58:56 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10h17m ago Barry wrote: > IDE's are for wimps, Daniel. :) I agree. But again, there might be people who are used to IDEs on the desktop, and only occasionally want to use it on the palmtop. For them it might be okay. Personally I also only use command line compilers. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:58:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 09h21m ago Andrew wrote: > I have got a Barbie pen mouse, I actually use it for AutoCAD on my > Thinkpad 560, much better for drawing than the "eraser" which I like = for > most things. The Barbie pen mouse only has two buttons and I really > miss the center button for pulling up the "snap to" menu in AutoCAD = R13 > (does it work the same in R10?). I would like to buy such a Barbie Pen mouse. Where is it available? In case it's only available to US people, would anyone assist me in ordering and shipping it to me? Paypal transactions are no problem for me. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:33:26 -0500 Reply-To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tom Salwasser Subject: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm so glad to hear other people prefer command line compilers. I dislike IDE's for the same reason I dislike Windoze, all that extra crap gets in the way of what I want to do. Perhaps I should learn Unix/Linux/Minix, from what I understand it's the true command line oriented operating system. Regards, Tom > IDE's are for wimps, Daniel. :) I agree. But again, there might be people who are used to IDEs on the desktop, and only occasionally want to use it on the palmtop. For them it might be okay. Personally I also only use command line compilers. GTX daniel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:37:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Its available from California Digital at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It's shown in the picture on that page. It's like a fat pen with a 1/4 inch ball at the head, with two buttons on the barrel. Standard serial interface. Nice thing about it is you can use it on irregular surfaces, like your pants leg. Try that with a full-sized mouse. Used to be $10, but the price has now been raised to $15. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:59 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? 09h21m ago Andrew wrote: > I have got a Barbie pen mouse, I actually use it for AutoCAD on my > Thinkpad 560, much better for drawing than the "eraser" which I like for > most things. The Barbie pen mouse only has two buttons and I really > miss the center button for pulling up the "snap to" menu in AutoCAD R13 > (does it work the same in R10?). I would like to buy such a Barbie Pen mouse. Where is it available? In case it's only available to US people, would anyone assist me in ordering and shipping it to me? Paypal transactions are no problem for me. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:56:09 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: Re: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM In-Reply-To: <001201c2331f$1346b940$2b92c0d8@oemcomputer> from "Tom Salwasser" at Jul 24, 2002 09:33:26 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm so glad to hear other people prefer command line compilers. > I dislike IDE's for the same reason I dislike Windoze, all that > extra crap gets in the way of what I want to do. Perhaps I > should learn Unix/Linux/Minix, from what I understand it's the > true command line oriented operating system. Tom: I thought I would share an experience that happened almost 10 years ago. I was assigned to a project at work where we were required to use Unix machines. I fought it kicking and screaming. The learning curve was very steep. But after nearly 2 years of that project, I left just in awe of the power of the Unix command line and toolset. I jokingly fussed at our IT leader for waiting so long to make me use Unix. YMMV... -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:07:46 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <200207241456.g6OEu9Ub225015@mail.hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Chris Lott wrote: > > I dislike IDE's for the same reason I dislike Windoze, all that > > extra crap gets in the way of what I want to do. Perhaps I > > should learn Unix/Linux/Minix, from what I understand it's the > > true command line oriented operating system. > ago. I was assigned to a project at work where we were required to > use Unix machines. I fought it kicking and screaming. The learning > curve was very steep. But after nearly 2 years of that project, I > left just in awe of the power of the Unix command line and toolset. I would have to echo Chris's comment. I've used Unix shell accounts for over 10 years, and last year set up my own Linux server. It took a lot of work to learn, but has been *well* worth it. My guess is that anyone who really enjoys learning *all* the ins and outs of the DOS system would most likely also enjoy Unix. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:40:26 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: OT: unix shell accounts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With all the talk of unix I would like to point out a great site for = shell accounts. You can telnet (or ssh) to sdf.lonestar.org and open an = account with a paypal payment. I think it's only a one-time $35 charge = plus occasional non-mandatory requests for funding. The guy who runs the = site winds up subsidizing it. It's been up for a long time before it was = even on the Internet. They give you hundreds of MB of storage, web site, = ftp sire, irc and a bunch of other stuff I never use. He used to have it = on Linux but changed to BSD becuase it was easier to secure. I'm not advertising for SDF. It's not even a real business because I'm = sure it runs at a loss. I've just used it for a few years and am very = happy with it. I'm so happy I occasionally donate money even tho I don't = have to. You can also go to www.freeshell.org to check it out. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:42:26 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Instructions for making an LX MOUSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I now have compiled a text file with full instructions for the drumroll...................... LX MOUSE (tm) ;-) E-mail me for a copy as the list server is not too keen on attachments, regards, Kerwin Robertson Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldman, Robert To: Sent: 24 July 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? Its available from California Digital at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It's shown in the picture on that page. It's like a fat pen with a 1/4 inch ball at the head, with two buttons on the barrel. Standard serial interface. Nice thing about it is you can use it on irregular surfaces, like your pants leg. Try that with a full-sized mouse. Used to be $10, but the price has now been raised to $15. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:59 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? 09h21m ago Andrew wrote: > I have got a Barbie pen mouse, I actually use it for AutoCAD on my > Thinkpad 560, much better for drawing than the "eraser" which I like for > most things. The Barbie pen mouse only has two buttons and I really > miss the center button for pulling up the "snap to" menu in AutoCAD R13 > (does it work the same in R10?). I would like to buy such a Barbie Pen mouse. Where is it available? In case it's only available to US people, would anyone assist me in ordering and shipping it to me? Paypal transactions are no problem for me. Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:08:46 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020723165911.00ab4aa0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > >I must admit that I prefer Windows 2.11 for running Word 1.1 and Excel > >2.0. But the Paint program made Windows useful for me. > > That's kinda of narrow life you are leading, making do with four glorious > colors such as black, white, grey and dark grey. Which monastery do you > live in now? The paint program was useful for drawing quick diagrams while taking notes in class (using a Cirque touchpad). There was a DOS paint program that was good too, but Windows's paint program was easier to use. > Ok - you posed the question like you know I'll bite that flashy little > wiggly thing, and so I will! What computer games are not like TV? Plenty of them. Strategy games, simulations, etc. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:31:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Salwasser" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX > I'm so glad to hear other people prefer command line compilers. > I dislike IDE's for the same reason I dislike Windoze, all that > extra crap gets in the way of what I want to do. Perhaps I > should learn Unix/Linux/Minix, from what I understand it's the > true command line oriented operating system. I'm sure unix is great for a lot of things but I like the simplicity of dos. It provides enough services. Too many, really. Anything it doesn't have, I can usually do anyway. While the batch capabilities of command.com are barely there, GWBasic or QBasic work beautifully as a scripting language. As fast as shell script and as powerful or more so, and certainly easier to use. I enjoy using Windows when I get on the WWW and it isn't screwing up. It has it's place. It's pretty good for games, too. Remember all the problems making sure you had enough free memory and the right driver for your graphics and sound card, in Dos? Not much problem on the LX with CGA and not much sound, but on a desktop computer it was sometimes a real hassle. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:36:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Utility to view sample waveform on the 200lx display MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike 05h16m ago Mike Edwards wrote: > This is probably a strange request but for I project I'd like to work = on, I > need to be able to load a sample (raw data or .wav, .aiff etc) and = display > the waveform. I also need to be able to zoom in and out and have the = cursor > postion report useful output such as the distance in samples (or = seconds) and > the amplitude. > > I found a program called fft4wav3 that is supposed to run on a 286 but = isn't > working for me. Does anybody have any ideas? I remember having a program called Audiostar, which could handle Soundblaster VOC files and probably also other formats. It did do what you describe, and it ran on the palmtop, even supporting sound output via PC speaker. I can try to dig it up if you need it. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:02 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? > Its available from California Digital at > http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It's shown in the picture on that > page. It's like a fat pen with a 1/4 inch ball at the head, with two buttons > on the barrel. Standard serial interface. Nice thing about it is you can use > it on irregular surfaces, like your pants leg. Try that with a full-sized > mouse. Used to be $10, but the price has now been raised to $15. Thanks for that link. Not because of the Barbie mouse but because of the link to the story of Gary Kildall. I've read similar articles over the years. A number of them by people who worked closely with Gary Kildall. From what I've read, if you want to credit someone with inventing the microcomputer, Gary is the one. This story did have a little different idea about his connection to the 4004 at Intel. The others I've read say that Gary was contracting to Intel when they built the 4004 for someone to use in a calculator that could be upgraded without making a new calculator chip. Prior to that calculators had a chip with the usual functions built in and unchangable. To add a new feature meant t design a new chip. As the story goes, Gary spent months arguing with Intel that they should market the 4004 as a processor for a small computer. They finally decided to try it. But the upshot was that it was his idea and that he had a hard time selling it to Intel. I don't know which is the truth. This is the first time I've encountered this version. But he did write the first microcomputer OS and compiler. He did also invent the idea of using a floppy drive as a boot device. Previously they had been used as data entry devices on mainframes, to replace punch cards. Yeah I'm being long winded here but this is a guy we should all know about. He's the one that made all this possible. Oh yeah, if any of you remember the old TV show, Computer Chronicles, where two guys would show and tell about the latest developments in microcomputers, Gary Kildall was the one with the beard. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:08:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: OT: Gary Kildall (was RE: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You might also be interested in the links at http://www.maxframe.com/DR.HTM. Besides many tributes to Gary, there are links to information about Caldera's law suit against Microsoft (over MS squashing DR-DOS). -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@fbtc.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:59 AM To: Feldman, Robert; HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? > Its available from California Digital at > http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It's shown in the picture on that > page. It's like a fat pen with a 1/4 inch ball at the head, with two buttons > on the barrel. Standard serial interface. Nice thing about it is you can use > it on irregular surfaces, like your pants leg. Try that with a full-sized > mouse. Used to be $10, but the price has now been raised to $15. Thanks for that link. Not because of the Barbie mouse but because of the link to the story of Gary Kildall. I've read similar articles over the years. A number of them by people who worked closely with Gary Kildall. From what I've read, if you want to credit someone with inventing the microcomputer, Gary is the one. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:13:31 -0500 Reply-To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tom Salwasser Subject: Re: OT: Command Line Compilers, Was Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So true Barry. I do complain about windows but I use it every day for web surfing, and where would I be without Photoshop? But, I am fond of a command line and a batch file as the most appropriate solution for much of what I need to do at work. Tom > I enjoy using Windows when I get on the WWW and it isn't screwing > up. It has it's place. It's pretty good for games, too ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:36 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Gary Kildall (was RE: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10?) Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: OT: Gary Kildall (was RE: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10?) > You might also be interested in the links at http://www.maxframe.com/DR.HTM. > Besides many tributes to Gary, there are links to information about > Caldera's law suit against Microsoft (over MS squashing DR-DOS). I remember that. I've never felt bitter about Bill Gates. The world needs people like him to sell the ideas of people like Gary Kildall. Yeah, he played some dirty tricks and now he's way too powerful. But, all in all, he's done a LOT more good than harm. But there are a lot of people that could have done what Bill Gates did. Gary Kildall wasn't replacable. Thanks for that link. I haven't seen that site before. I was never a CP/M programmer. In those days I was working on TRS-80's in TRS-Dos and xenix. But long after CP/M was an old story I bought a Kaypro luggable and played around with it for a while. I like working in an OS that knows how to stay out of your way. I had a lot of fun with it. We like to say now that Windows does stuff for you and Dos lets you control the computer. But Dos is closer to Windows than to CP/M in how much control it gives you. Or maybe I should say, in how little it does for you. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:42:28 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Setting up a psip device in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never mind. I didn't move the new kernel so it was booting the old one. On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:50:58 -0500, you wrote: >I got everything working so now chat dials my isp and starts the >ppp.drv. However the ppp.drv keeps ending and telling me I don't have >a psip device. > >I have used netdefault to make a psip, tcp, ip, and udp in the /dev >directory. > >I have al;so enabled networking and recompiled. > >Is there something else I need to do to set up a default network? > >John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:43:45 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Using ppp to connect in Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never mind. The script files in the ppp/modem directory work. On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:45:44 -0500, you wrote: >I compiled ppp and chat in Minix and now am trying to use them to >connect to my isp and get my mail. Problem is is I can't figure out >how to make either chat or ppp dial out. In dosppp which is a Linux >clone it is something like ppp connect chat -f 'chatscr'. But I don't >see any way of doing it Minix. I tried the above and it didn't make >chat dial. I read the man pages until I'm blue in the face and it >doesn't say. Anyone have any ideas? Oh- btw the ppp package has a ppp >server too. > >John > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:56:55 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wed, 24.07.02 9:39 PM +0200 Hi friends, does anyone know a small and simple graphics program for the palmtop? I only need very limited features, as I want to use it similar to the note taker application in the Omnigo 100 - simply take small "graphical" notes using a mouse or pen mouse and saving them as PCX file. Fast loading and easy saving and quitting would be good, only black and white, no fine resolution needed, maybe some assistance (via shift or alt key) to draw straight lines, maybe text input, maybe circle or ellipse creation, but all that is not necessary. BTW: Let me say a big THANK YOU to this list - I have seen in the past few days (also before, but especially recently) that this is a really special community here. I never would have dreamed what has happened! :-) Ted and Hal, you know what I mean! You receive my biggest thank you's. daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:19:24 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: 2X -> 1X and C:\_DAT\SPDALRM.TSR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I moved from my double speed LX back to my single speed in preparation for getting a hinge crack fixed on the 2X. At the first appointment book event the LX hung with stack overflows and a continuous tone. It turns out the problem was caused by the SPDALRM.TSR file included with the T2T 2X upgrade to fix alarm tones with the faster crystal. Once I remembered this existed the next problem was how to fix it. Once I got into the problem the only way out was Ctrl-LShift-On. The reboot would eventually start Sysmgr which started up the appointment book because of the event that triggered the alarm, which hangs the machine, etc. etc I rebooted and did a Ctrl-Break early in the Autoexec.bat to stop before Sysmgr loads. To avoid future problems like this I've added a PAUSE before Software Carousel starts and another PAUSE in the session 1 startup bat before 200.com starts up Sysmgr. This will result in a couple of key presses during reboot but it will give an easy exit should similar future problems occur. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:41:23 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: 2X -> 1X and C:\_DAT\SPDALRM.TSR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it's a 1x machine you could press alt and select 'do not process = startup files'. You could do it on 2x too but on some the screen is = unreadable. if u know the keystrokes you can type in commands to load = speed driver. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On=20 > Behalf Of Russel Brooks > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:19 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: 2X -> 1X and C:\_DAT\SPDALRM.TSR >=20 >=20 > I moved from my double speed LX back to my single speed in > preparation for getting a hinge crack fixed on the 2X. >=20 > At the first appointment book event the LX hung with stack > overflows and a continuous tone. It turns out the problem was > caused by the SPDALRM.TSR file included with the T2T 2X upgrade > to fix alarm tones with the faster crystal. Once I remembered > this existed the next problem was how to fix it. Once I got > into the problem the only way out was Ctrl-LShift-On. The > reboot would eventually start Sysmgr which started up the > appointment book because of the event that triggered the alarm, > which hangs the machine, etc. etc >=20 > I rebooted and did a Ctrl-Break early in the Autoexec.bat to > stop before Sysmgr loads. To avoid future problems like this > I've added a PAUSE before Software Carousel starts and another > PAUSE in the session 1 startup bat before 200.com starts up > Sysmgr. This will result in a couple of key presses during > reboot but it will give an easy exit should similar future > problems occur. >=20 > Cheers... Russ >=20 > DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:08:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Daniel, I have PC Paintbrush IV Plus 1.0 installed on my single-speed 200LX for precisely the purpose you described. This program saves images in PCX or TIF format and gives you all the user features you listed. I also have DrawPerfect 1.1 installed, as it saves in WPG, CGM and other formats not supported by Paintbrush. I bought my copy of Paintbrush back in the late 1980's, though I have seen copies on eBay from time to time, which is where I got my copy of DrawPerfect a few months ago. I don't know whether you would view these as "small and simple" enough, but they do handle graphics chores quite well. As described in some posts a while back, I had to try various mice till I found one that actually worked with my LX, but once that was achieved, I was all set to use these drawing programs. To make my LX an even more handy system for dealing with graphics, I am now actively looking for a hand-held scanner that I can use with the LX, as noted in a post a few weeks ago. There are plenty of these on eBay, mostly Logitech ScanMan, but as you have pointed out, the majority of such devices required the use of an ISA interface card. I know that Logitech made a board-less hand-held scanner (ScanMan EasyTouch), but it used a parallel port interface and Windows software. I have not yet come upon a serial port interface hand-held scanner, though such items apparently were made. In any case, if anyone knows the make/model of such a device, it would be great to know such info. And if anyone knows where such an item can be obtained, by all means speak up! Martin :) At 09:56 pm 7/24/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Wed, 24.07.02 9:39 PM +0200 > >Hi friends, > >does anyone know a small and simple graphics program for the palmtop? >I only need very limited features, as I want to use it similar to the >note taker application in the Omnigo 100 - simply take small >"graphical" notes using a mouse or pen mouse and saving them as PCX >file. > >Fast loading and easy saving and quitting would be good, only black and >white, no fine resolution needed, maybe some assistance (via shift or >alt key) to draw straight lines, maybe text input, maybe circle or >ellipse creation, but all that is not necessary. > >BTW: Let me say a big THANK YOU to this list - I have seen in the past >few days (also before, but especially recently) that this is a really >special community here. I never would have dreamed what has happened! :-) >Ted and Hal, you know what I mean! You receive my biggest thank you's. > >daniel > > >-- >http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact >http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:38:59 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE In-Reply-To: <17XIPc-1G9jqSC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Both are plain DOS applications targeted for the Palmtop. while it is not targeted for the palmtop the semware editors use a mouse also and they are dos programs which run nicely on the palmtop ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:22:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Small graphics program for the LX > does anyone know a small and simple graphics program for the palmtop? > I only need very limited features, as I want to use it similar to the > note taker application in the Omnigo 100 - simply take small > "graphical" notes using a mouse or pen mouse and saving them as PCX > file. > > Fast loading and easy saving and quitting would be good, only black and > white, no fine resolution needed, maybe some assistance (via shift or > alt key) to draw straight lines, maybe text input, maybe circle or > ellipse creation, but all that is not necessary. I have a little program that was the first thing I wrote on my 95lx. I later modified it for the 100lx when I got one. It might be simpler than you need. You can change the drawing color. You move a dot around the screen with the numeric keypad in 8 directions. I think you can set the dot to draw, move without drawing and maybe toggle the dot it crosses. I forget if it has that feature. You can also press L and indicate the start of a line and move the cursor with a rubberband line and press L again and it draws a line. H gives you some help but I seem to have added lines after I did the help and didn't add that. I thought I also had a B for box command that worked like the line command but it doesnt seem to have it. Maybe a later version. This was in my util directory on my desktop. The program is about 6k. I probably did it in asm but I don't remember. I probably have the code around somewhere too. Will this help or do you need something more sophisticated? This is really kind of like an Etch-A-Sketch except it moves in 8 directions instead of 4. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:28:43 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) Comments: To: "Martin G. Ramirez" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin G. Ramirez" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) > To make my LX an even more handy system for dealing with graphics, I am now > actively looking for a hand-held scanner that I can use with the LX, as > noted in a post a few weeks ago. There are plenty of these on eBay, mostly > Logitech ScanMan, but as you have pointed out, the majority of such devices > required the use of an ISA interface card. I know that Logitech made a > board-less hand-held scanner (ScanMan EasyTouch), but it used a parallel > port interface and Windows software. I have not yet come upon a serial > port interface hand-held scanner, though such items apparently were made. > In any case, if anyone knows the make/model of such a device, it would be > great to know such info. And if anyone knows where such an item can be > obtained, by all means speak up! In the days when the handheld scanners were popular I went looking for one that I could use in the serial port. I had a spare serial port but not a spare parallel port. I didn't want to use an ISA card because I wanted to be able to easily move from computer to computer with it. I didn't find one. I can't say I did a comprehensive search but I checked a bunch of stores and some of them checked their suppliers and nothing turned up. There might have been one somewhere. I just assumed there wasnt, finally, thinking maybe the serial port wasn't fast enough. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:40:54 -0500 Reply-To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tom Salwasser Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool Barry, LX-Etch-A-Sketch! > Will this help or do you need something more sophisticated? This > is really kind of like an Etch-A-Sketch except it moves in 8 > directions instead of 4. > > Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:52:32 +0800 Reply-To: leewm@anakin.sgp.hp.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Wee-Meng LEE Subject: Re: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) In-Reply-To: <003101c23369$edecd8a0$2e0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did remember HP making a handheld scanning device few years back. It's called HP Capshare. I had a look at ebay and there are a few on sale. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht= 1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=capshare In the spec it says that it includes an RS232 cable. That prob means that the xfer is via RS232? Don't know if there are any progs that can receive the image in DOS. Rgds weemeng > port interface and Windows software. I have not yet come upon a serial > port interface hand-held scanner, though such items apparently were made. > In any case, if anyone knows the make/model of such a device, it would be > great to know such info. And if anyone knows where such an item can be > obtained, by all means speak up! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:46:40 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerwin Robertson wrote: > > I use the mouse (or intend to!) for running autocad r10 on my doublespeed > 200lx, > there are a lot of games that use the mouse, and xtreegold has mouse > support. > Does anyone know if any of the built in apps can use a mouse?? > > As for the backlight control, I could build in some white leds into the > mouse, > as long as it was pointed towards the screen it would be ok, > mind you, my microsoft optical mouse on my desktop pc pushes enough > light out of it to light up the whole room!!! > Might drain the duracells rather too quickly though....... > > Kerwin Robertson I've found a touch pad to be better for Acad R10 on the 200LX, you don't need a flat surface. The Cirque Easy Cat works well with Micro$oft mouse drivers, and the size is good, about 6 x9 cm. I wish I could shorten the cable to 50 cm or so; as it is, I have five times what I need. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:41:10 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: Mouse for AutoCad 10? Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerwin Robertson wrote: > > autocad 10 works fine on my doublespeed 5mb lx > you need the acadlx package from SUPER, > you will need autocad 10 of course, > if you need some 'help' to find it just e-mail me off list ;-) > I am preparing a wiring diagram as we speak, > I will release it to the list for the good of mankind and lx's everywhere, > I will also let you all in on a good source for the serial port connector. > > watch the skies....... > > Kerwin Robertson Please let me know if you have any suggestions for simplifying the instructions I included with the ACADLX package I put on SUPER. I haven't looked at it since then, maybe it isn't as intuitive as I thought at the time. BTW, Release 2.6 and Release 9 actually run a little faster because they don't require the 287 FPU emulation. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:09:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: Re: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wee-Meng, Thanks for pointing this out, I did not know HP made such a device. Seems really great, though as you note, it seems like a non-DOS sort of item. Alas, it's also very pricey, at least on eBay. :( Martin At 07:52 am 7/25/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I did remember HP making a handheld scanning device few years back. >It's called HP Capshare. I had a look at ebay and there are a few on >sale. >http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht= >1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=capshare > >In the spec it says that it includes an RS232 cable. That prob means >that the xfer is via RS232? Don't know if there are any progs that >can receive the image in DOS. > >Rgds >weemeng > >> port interface and Windows software. I have not yet come upon a >serial >> port interface hand-held scanner, though such items apparently >were made. >> In any case, if anyone knows the make/model of such a device, it >would be >> great to know such info. And if anyone knows where such an item >can be >> obtained, by all means speak up! > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:03:25 +0200 Reply-To: Nathalie Bugeaud Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Nathalie Bugeaud Subject: FLUFF, was Re: Mouse for HP200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Avi wrote: >....slightly less disgusting. Besides, maybe Dr Nat would then >play these games, instead of playing doctor or playing Cinnaid nice you have my well-being figured out :) :) :) i won't ask what 'Cinnaid' is :) (must be something dirty) as for 'playing' on the LX these days i just upgraded the areacode.gdb with 1600 cities WW to one day upload to Daniel's SUPER. Tony Hutchins in NZ has my medical.dbs/zip to test to go into SUPER as well is Mack of T2T 'still' on the list? i'll be on/in the Atlantic for 10 days - total e-mail blackout! Dr.Nat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:30:45 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: FLUFF, was Re: Mouse for HP200LX Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud In-Reply-To: <00ad01c23393$3e127000$c15a933e@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Dr. Nat: At 7/25/02 +0200, you wrote: >Avi wrote: > >....slightly less disgusting. Besides, maybe Dr Nat would then > >play these games, instead of playing doctor or playing Cinnaid > >nice you have my well-being figured out :) :) :) Somebody has to >i won't ask what 'Cinnaid' is :) (must be something dirty) Not dirtier than my brainless mistake: I meant Sinead (as in Sinead O'Connor), sorry for this weird confusing mistype... >i'll be on/in the Atlantic for 10 days - total e-mail blackout! I wish you a safe landfall after the 10 days... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:03:47 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 07h30m ago Barry wrote: > I have a little program that was the first thing I wrote on my > 95lx. I later modified it for the 100lx when I got one. It might > be simpler than you need. You can change the drawing color. You I would really liket o see that program. It's exactly what I need, except that it is not mouse-driven. But when I don't have a mouse handy, it could fit my needs exactly! Maybe I could put it on SUPER, too, if you like. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:05:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm..I got ppp working with Minix. It works enough to log onto my isp. The problem is is that networking and ppp take up so much low ram programs won't run with both installed. Even with just networking there is very little ram left. I did find a pop mail client but haven't tried it yet to see if it'll run John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:18:17 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so I have done the serial mouse thing, and that works great (fs4 is really good with a mouse!) my next 'project' is to get a trackpoint type device to work on the lx. Ideally it would be a small 'add-on' box to the side of the lx that would have a 2 button trackpoint device sticking out the top. Just thinking out loud there is no reason why a standard serial port could not be added to it, kinda like a port expander with built in mouse. Infact, put some small batteries in it, and a small white led just at the right angle........ might also be room for the integrated gps and bluetooth/wi-fi card. ;-) thoughts anyone??? Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:35:08 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: LED lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Stefan, do you think you could easily adapt lighton for the 95LX? No. The reason is, that LIGHTON uses HP200LX specific features to control the serial power. As you know, you can use the infrared serial port while the ledlight is attached and shining. This is done by only controlling the wired serial power, but not the infrared serial power. The HP95LX has no similar feature. To distinguish both powers, I have to go down to the port level, because the BIOS does not allow to control the power separately. Because I have to control the power at every timer tick to make the ledlight work with SC, SysMgr and Win30, the used code must be as fast as possible in order to not affect the overall performance. On the port level, the HP200LX and HP95LX are quite different, because they use different microprocessors. On the BIOS level the difference is not that big. > On the Omnigo 100, the light didn't switch on at all That's not surprising. Does the Omnigo100 use the same Hornet chip as the 200LX? Do you really think, your Ledlight has many customers amomg 95LX and Omnigo users? To test your ledlight on the 95LX and Omnigo, make sure to have the serial port powered and then connect your led in the way described in LIGHTON.DOC Don't expect me to write seperate LIGHTON TSR's for all the different hardware platforms. The price (freeware) would never pay my efforts :-) Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:02:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: 95LX circuit diagram MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone emailed me asking if there was one. I lost the email so couldn't respond to him so I thought I'd post to the list. As far as I know there is no circuit diagram for any of the 95LX, 100LX or 200LX series of computers. However Joe Buford has been working on a circuit diagram for the 200LX. He has info on the components so far, as far as I know. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:17:52 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: <0efvju0tun3hfu3jeobr6r47v61jn3308r@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > Hmm..I got ppp working with Minix. It works enough to log onto > my isp. The problem is is that networking and ppp take up so > much low ram programs won't run with both installed. Even with > just networking there is very little ram left. I did find a > pop mail client but haven't tried it yet to see if it'll run You have made excellent progress--I'm most impressed! What about the idea of running a telnet or ssh client once the connection is up? If you can login to a UNIX shell, then you can run lots of programs there. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:40:08 +0000 Reply-To: lloo@ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: lloo@ATT.NET Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Of course if Etch-A-Sketch is what you want, then you'd have to look no farther than d:\bin\icn200lx.exe ... the icon editor built-in. It doesn't save as PCX as Daniel asked, but the ICN files are certainly small and viewable with LXPIC. You don't get circles/ellipses but you do have rectangles (filled and unfilled). - Longden > Cool Barry, LX-Etch-A-Sketch! > > > Will this help or do you need something more sophisticated? > This > > is really kind of like an Etch-A-Sketch except it moves in 8 > > directions instead of 4. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:08:29 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Windows 3.0?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can anyone help me to locate a copy of windows 3.0??? I can offer help to locate XtreeGold (with all viewers) thanks for any help, Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerwin Robertson To: Sent: 25 July 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? Ok, so I have done the serial mouse thing, and that works great (fs4 is really good with a mouse!) my next 'project' is to get a trackpoint type device to work on the lx. Ideally it would be a small 'add-on' box to the side of the lx that would have a 2 button trackpoint device sticking out the top. Just thinking out loud there is no reason why a standard serial port could not be added to it, kinda like a port expander with built in mouse. Infact, put some small batteries in it, and a small white led just at the right angle........ might also be room for the integrated gps and bluetooth/wi-fi card. ;-) thoughts anyone??? Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:24:28 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > What about the idea of running a telnet or ssh client once the > connection is up? If you can login to a UNIX shell, then you > can run lots of programs there. Well... You can already do that without installing Minix on the HP200 :) -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- A computer is a state machine. Threads are for people who can't program state machines. Alan Cox in a discussion about the threads and the Linux scheduler ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:26:48 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Codepage question In-Reply-To: <005701c2321a$ccde3b90$162fa8c0@2fkft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Feher Tamas wrote: > >I'd like to change the codepage under both plain DOS and > >System Manager on my HP200LX. > > DOS does not allow to change codepages with CGA screen, only EGA/VGA and better > supported. System Manager does not have more codepages than 437/850/86x. You are > left in the cold. Oh yes. I noticed it some days after having posted the question... But that DOS limitation comes from the fact that a CGA screen can't have custom fonts, which is no more true on the HP200... Well... Since "There's More Than One Way To Do It" is always valid, I'll take another way to achieve what I wanted to do... :) -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- ah koi ca sert de donner son nom si ce n'est pour avoir des emmerdes ? vous avez pas vu encore ke des barges il y en a partout et que devoiler toute ces informations c'est dangereux ? -+- Mickey in GNU : Le retour du fils de l'homme invisible -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:30:07 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Codepage question In-Reply-To: <17X9MQ-1UaFwOC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Stefan Peichl wrote: > Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > > Right now, I'd like to see if the CP819 is available > > CP819 is not available on the Palmtop. Too bad. > > Unfortunately, I don't remember how to change the codepage > > mov ah,0dah ;function > mov al,1 ;set > mov bx,850h ;code page number > int 10h ;do it Thanks for the info. This is not exactly the level of details that I looked for (I wanted to know the CONFIG.SYS directives, and maybe some DO= S commands), but it's good to know that. ;) > > I don't know if it will work with the Andrew fonts > > not unless you change the font. But you could edit the Andrew > font to become CP819, which will then also be displayed under > SysMgr. Yes, but it won't make the HP200 CP819 compliant, only the display will be. And I really don't want to modify a screen font... Thanks for your help anyway. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- j'ai pour habitude de mettre le post auquel je r=E9ponds sous le mien et non au dessus et ce n'est pas de l'impolitesse envers vous il faudra bien que vous vous y habituez -+- MP in Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet : Le m=E9pris par l'exemple -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:42:57 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Erwann ABALEA wrote: ...logging in to a UNIX shell via telnet or ssh can already be done on a 200LX without Minix. True, but so can networking and ppp connections. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:17:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > Hmm..I got ppp working with Minix. It works enough to log onto > > my isp. The problem is is that networking and ppp take up so > > much low ram programs won't run with both installed. Even with > > just networking there is very little ram left. I did find a > > pop mail client but haven't tried it yet to see if it'll run > > You have made excellent progress--I'm most impressed! > > What about the idea of running a telnet or ssh client once the > connection is up? If you can login to a UNIX shell, then you > can run lots of programs there. > If it'll run in less than about 150k of memory. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:26:20 +0100 Reply-To: William.Pickles@UBSW.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: William Pickles Subject: OT: Omnigo and GEOS sdk for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please excuse the blatant plug but possibly somebody out here is = interested in this older development environment http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1368965774 and even greater apologies for the corporate .signature... regards William Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:55 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > Erwann ABALEA wrote: ...logging in to a UNIX shell via telnet > or ssh can already be done on a 200LX without Minix. > > True, but so can networking and ppp connections. Yes. I noticed that you removed my smiley... That changes the semantic of my post by a little. ;) Really, I don't consider Minix a useful OS for the HP200. There's no memory protection, 64k+64k limitation, cooperative multitasking, loss of all the software that were developed especially for the HP200, ... But that's only my personal opinion. I prefer having a good Linux box at home, with all the software that I need and an ADSL connection, and my classic HP200 with a GPRS link. What *I* think could be useful for the HP200 would be to change some DOS limitations, for example the 8+3 filesystem limit in the file names, or the 640k memory limit... ;) --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- C'est tout b=EAte mais avec OE 4 je n'arrive plus =E0 envoyer de mails (...) alors que j'arrive =E0 me connecter sur le net, =E0 envoyer des mails,... Please please sauvez-moi... -+- JC in GNU : Docteur, quand je fais ca, je n'y arrive pas ! -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:37:05 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > Erwann ABALEA wrote: ...logging in to a UNIX shell via telnet > > or ssh can already be done on a 200LX without Minix. > > > > True, but so can networking and ppp connections. > > Yes. I noticed that you removed my smiley... That changes the semantic of > my post by a little. ;) Actually, I must have missed it entirely. (The "quote" was paraphrased from memory since I deleted your post before I decided to reply.) Sorry for misrepresenting you. :( > But that's only my personal opinion. I prefer having a good Linux box at > home, with all the software that I need and an ADSL connection, and my > classic HP200 with a GPRS link. Me too. Peace, -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:47:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: lloo@ATT.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > Of course if Etch-A-Sketch is what you want, then you'd > have to look no farther than d:\bin\icn200lx.exe ... the > icon editor built-in. > > It doesn't save as PCX as Daniel asked, but the ICN > files are certainly small and viewable with LXPIC. Mine doesn't save as PCX either. But I did write a little pcx loader and saver for the 95lx. In asm I think. I can see if I still have the source and how much it would take to convert it to CGA. I assume the PCX format hasn't changed for CGA. > You don't get circles/ellipses but you do have > rectangles (filled and unfilled). Mine doesn't have any of that either. No rectangles or circles and not filled. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:39 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Windows 3.0?? Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Windows 3.0?? > can anyone help me to locate a copy of windows 3.0??? > I can offer help to locate XtreeGold (with all viewers) While looking for Win 3.0 (which I don't seem to be able to find at the moment) I ran into a program I mentioned that raised some interest a few months ago, but I couldn't find it then. It's a hp48sx calculator for the 95lx. It's not a clone and won't run SX programs. It might run some user RPL programs but it's a subset of user RPL so maybe not. It comes in both exe and exm formats. I assume the 95 exm will work in the 200 but if not, the exe should. It runs on my desktop. There is a limitation until it's registered ($30 assuming the address is still valid after all these years). It won't save it's state so it starts fresh every time. Once registered It will save. Or so the docs say. It's a 103k lzh file so if someone wants it send me a private email and I'll send it to a few. If more want it then they can pass it on. Or I can send it to Daniel for Super. Assuming anybody is that interested, since it is limited till registration. The file is pscalc.lzh. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:10:23 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 05h21m ago lloo@ATT.NET wrote: > Of course if Etch-A-Sketch is what you want, then you'd > have to look no farther than d:\bin\icn200lx.exe ... the > icon editor built-in. > > It doesn't save as PCX as Daniel asked, but the ICN > files are certainly small and viewable with LXPIC. Thanks for the hint. But that is a little _too_ limited for my purposes. Simply too little image size. ;-) Barry's program is quite good, although it doesn't save in a standard format, it seems, so viewing the drawings is still al problem for me. Barry, is there another way to view the drawings then use your dot.exe and load the dot file into dot.exe? dot.exe also doesn't take the file name as a parameter, so it's not possible to view the image without user interaction. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:26:46 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: <0efvju0tun3hfu3jeobr6r47v61jn3308r@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > Hmm..I got ppp working with Minix. It works enough to log onto my isp. > The problem is is that networking and ppp take up so much low ram > programs won't run with both installed. Even with just networking > there is very little ram left. I did find a pop mail client but > haven't tried it yet to see if it'll run I saw your post in comp.os.minix too. I have a few suggestions. First, are there any more drivers you can remove from config.sys? I boot to my flash card with a config.sys for minix, which just loads the speed driver, no other tsrs to give me the max starting free memory. With just tweaks to the config.h file, and config.sys I have gotten kernel use down to 133k, leaving me 485k free starting out. Admittedly "disk" performance suffers terribly so I don't use this kernel, but maybe not so drastic changes will free enough memory for you to run ppp. What I am doing is trying to find the absolute minimum kernel (without rewriting code) and then add back to improve performance. In config.sys I set buffers and files to the minimums buffers=1 files=8 giving me 617k before minix, but the buffers setting does seem to have an effect on i/o in minix. In /usr/include/minix/config.h I have the following changes #define NR_PROCS 24 /* Number of process slots, was 32, but on a single user machine, I don't think you need that many. There are 16 processes running at boot, giving you 8 free. */ #if (MACHINE == IBM_PC && _WORD_SIZE == 2) #define NR_BUFS 6 /* # blocks in the buffer cache, was 40, 6 is the minimum. This also slows disk access. Every block less than 40 frees 1k of memory though. At 20, I found no perceptible slowing, at 10 perhaps some. */ #define ENABLE_CACHE2 0 /* not enough memory for a cache */ #define NR_CONS 1 /* # system consoles, was 2. A second console is sometimes an advantage as you can switch to it and kill a hung process on the first. But the second console even when not used is running getty which takes up a process slot, and more importantly, another 14k of your free memory */ #define NR_RS_LINES 0 /* I guess you would need this though */ #define SCREEN 0 /* no graphics screen */ #define NR_ACSI_DRIVES 0 /* was 3. Not sure what an ACSI drive is, but it works fine without */ #define NR_SCSI_DRIVES 0 /* no SCSI drives */ #define NR_FD_DRIVES 0 /* or floppies */ #define PAR_PRINTER 0 /* or parallel ports */ As I mentioned, disk performance is poor with these settings, but adding back a little on the buffers in dos and minix should get it back to normal. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:21:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > Barry's program is quite good, although it doesn't save in a standard > format, it seems, so viewing the drawings is still al problem for me. > Barry, is there another way to view the drawings then use your dot.exe > and load the dot file into dot.exe? > > dot.exe also doesn't take the file name as a parameter, so it's not > possible to view the image without user interaction. I dont remember the format. Probably just a simple screen dump. That was one of my first attempts at graphics in CGA. I was using PCs at work, mostly doing weird stuff but no graphics. My home computer had hercules graphics. (anybody remember hercules?) I never intended it to be a serious program. It was just an excuse to play with the LX. I'm going to take a look at the PCX code I wrote and see how easy it is to adapt from 95lx graphics. I did find it. Adding a filename parameter will be simple enough. I can do that. Also changing the file format to match QBasic's format would be trivial, I think. I'll see what can be done. I'm very rusty, not having done much programming in 5 or more years since I retired. So I don't want to get into anything very deep. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:12:31 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > PCs at work, mostly doing weird stuff but no graphics. My home > computer had hercules graphics. (anybody remember hercules?) Sure do, both my 12 MHz XT and my 16 MHz AT-286 use it, the latter with a high refresh rate brilliant black on white monitor and card by Nokia. I never could understand people preferring a garish low resolution games console to to a decent useable works machine - but then I come from Atari, which in Germany to the great surprise and consternation was not home games console as in the US but a serious workstation used mostly by science students and thus sold as nearly exclusively with the brilliant, crisply sharp 72 Hz 640x400 black on white monitor (this was 1985 and the standard was 50 Hz white on black) as it was sold with CGA-like colour in the US. If it were not for the abolition of all sensible networking and the need for TCP/IP, PPP, and "enhanced" HTML I'd still consider it (debvelopment ceased about 1992) superiour and more powerful than those nasty Gatesian games consoles I have to put up with now. Rant over Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:17:38 -0700 Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Joseph Buford Subject: OT-People MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are only 10 types of people in the world Those who understand binary and those who don't ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:29:56 +0200 Reply-To: Zoran Vignjevic Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Zoran Vignjevic Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theodore Heise wrote: > > Erwann ABALEA wrote: ...logging in to a UNIX shell via telnet > or ssh can already be done on a 200LX without Minix. > > True, but so can networking and ppp connections. > But not without additional SW ($$ or/and hassle...) Regards, Zoran ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:38:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > Barry wrote: > > PCs at work, mostly doing weird stuff but no graphics. My home > > computer had hercules graphics. (anybody remember hercules?) > > Sure do, both my 12 MHz XT and my 16 MHz AT-286 use it, the latter with > a high refresh rate brilliant black on white monitor and card by Nokia. > I never could understand people preferring a garish low resolution games > console to to a decent useable works machine - but then I come from > Atari, which in Germany to the great surprise and consternation was not > home games console as in the US but a serious workstation used mostly by > science students and thus sold as nearly exclusively with the brilliant, > crisply sharp 72 Hz 640x400 black on white monitor (this was 1985 and > the standard was 50 Hz white on black) as it was sold with CGA-like > colour in the US. > If it were not for the abolition of all sensible networking and the need > for TCP/IP, PPP, and "enhanced" HTML I'd still consider it (debvelopment > ceased about 1992) superiour and more powerful than those nasty Gatesian > games consoles I have to put up with now. I had an ST1024. I think we'll disagree about Atari. I got it because I had heard so many things about the 8 bit Ataris and even though the ownership had changed, I hoped for great things. My first indication of problems came when I joined an Atari bbs and introduced myself as a new Atari owner and mentioned all the things I loved about the machine, and made the mistake of saying the only thing I could say against it was that I don't like the feel of the keyboard. That started a flame war beyond anything I've encountered before or since. I was revileled. I posted an apology explaining that that was only one single sentence in a post full of praises and I was kicked off the bbs. I joined another one and never menioned the keyboard. But they already knew about me and I got a regular stream of hate messages. Shortly before they kicked me off that board I even got a death threat on the phone. By that time I'd used the ST enough to begin to dislike it. I couldn't find any software that wouldn't crash. I bought a debugger and when I got home and opened the box there was a thank you note in it explaining that they appreciated my support of the high school kids they had hired to write this program. You don't expect a debugger to be so buggy but wow! With the extra drives and the color and BW monitor and the switch to use them both and everything I had close to $4000 invested in just hardware. I finally sold it for $1000 including bukoos of software and bought my first PC clone. I've never been sorry. I think that's the only computer I ever actually disliked. And those are the only 2 bbs's I've ever had a problem on. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:39:53 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT-People Comments: To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Buford" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: OT-People > There are only 10 types of people in the world > > > > > > > Those who understand binary and those who don't I heard there are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't. :) I like yours better but I can't tell it in as many places. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:55:00 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: 2X -> 1X and C:\_DAT\SPDALRM.TSR Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eduardo Seudonimo wrote: > If it's a 1x machine you could press alt and select 'do not > process startup files'. You could do it on 2x too but on some the screen is > unreadable. if u know the keystrokes you can type in commands > to load speed driver. ...but if I don't load with MY config.sys I don't see my 32M C: drive which is where the file was that I needed to remove. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:57:33 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: OT-People Comments: To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Joe, There are three types of people in the world: Those who know how to count and those who do not! Avi At 7/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >There are only 10 types of people in the world > > > > > > >Those who understand binary and those who don't > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:31:57 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: A nice link for Minix programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.geocities.com/ctantignone/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:36:16 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:55 +0200, you wrote: >On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Theodore Heise wrote: > >> Erwann ABALEA wrote: ...logging in to a UNIX shell via telnet >> or ssh can already be done on a 200LX without Minix. >> >> True, but so can networking and ppp connections. > >Yes. I noticed that you removed my smiley... That changes the semantic = of >my post by a little. ;) > >Really, I don't consider Minix a useful OS for the HP200. There's >no memory protection, 64k+64k limitation, cooperative multitasking, loss >of all the software that were developed especially for the HP200, ... There's no memory protection in dos, system manager programs have the 64+64 limit, no multitasking at all in dos and software can be written for Minix:). Actually I was thinking which programs I'd most like ported to Minix. Just three. Derive, the palmtops database, and the HPCALC program. It would be nice to have a basic programming language like power basic too. And maybe a spreadsheet. I like Minix because for once I don't even have to look at a MS OS. When I used my pamtop it always bugged me that I had to use MSDOS. Now I don't. > >But that's only my personal opinion. I prefer having a good Linux box at >home, with all the software that I need and an ADSL connection, and my >classic HP200 with a GPRS link. I put 32 bit Minix on my main computer (my libretto). I like it. It has 32 meg of ram and I have 31.5 meg free.=20 > >What *I* think could be useful for the HP200 would be to change some DOS >limitations, for example the 8+3 filesystem limit in the file names, or >the 640k memory limit... ;) NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing the 640k limit?=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:07:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing the > 640k limit? Swapping effectively does that. Especially if it were designed to swap in the extra ram of a 8 meg or 32 meg, etc machine. That would be pretty fast. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:10:09 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001a01c23440$ead6eb60$820d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:07:40 -0500, you wrote: >> NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing >the >> 640k limit? > >Swapping effectively does that. Especially if it were designed to >swap in the extra ram of a 8 meg or 32 meg, etc machine. That >would be pretty fast. > Hmm..software carosel swaps and its pretty slow. But this doesn't change the 640k barrier it just works around it.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:30:48 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Codepage question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Stefan Peichl wrote: > > ... > > But you could edit the Andrew font to become CP819, > > which will then also be displayed under SysMgr. > > Yes, but it won't make the HP200 CP819 compliant, only the display will > be. And I really don't want to modify a screen font... But a codepage is nothing else than just another screen font? At least that was my understaning until today. The drawing of an ASCII character only takes place on the screen or printer. Only those two devices need a pixel map (=3Dcodepage) to know which image to draw for a given ASCII value. Indeed you need to know, which codepage was used while the text was written and you should use the same codepage for reading the text. Otherwise you don't know which "image" of an ASCII value the creator had in mind, while he wrote the character. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:53:20 +0800 Reply-To: Wee-Meng Lee Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Wee-Meng Lee Subject: free clipper compiler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just came across this web site that mentions that they have free clipper compiler. www.harbour-project.org clipper is a program that converts dBASE III programs into EXE files. Some 10+ years ago, it was the best selling database programming language for micros. The web site states that they have MSDOS versions so it'll probably work on the 200LX. But so far I can't find a compiled version of the compiler. Only source codes. rgds weemeng ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:09:20 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: free clipper compiler In-Reply-To: <200207260953.RAA18938@anakin.sgp.hp.com>; from leewm@ANAKIN.SGP.HP.COM on Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 05:53:20PM +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 05:53:20PM +0800, Wee-Meng Lee wrote: > The web site states that they have MSDOS versions so it'll > probably work on the 200LX. But so far I can't find a compiled > version of the compiler. Only source codes. You must've missed the binaries links further down the download page . There's a binary distribution that generates DOS 16-bit binaries, though the comments indicate that you need a "32-bit DOS environment" (which I assume is really for Borland C++ 3.1 to run in), so compiling on the LX is right out. - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:14:16 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Codepage question In-Reply-To: <17Y1Pb-0dR8sqC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Stefan Peichl wrote: > Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Stefan Peichl wrote: > > > ... > > > But you could edit the Andrew font to become CP819, > > > which will then also be displayed under SysMgr. > > > > Yes, but it won't make the HP200 CP819 compliant, only the display will > > be. And I really don't want to modify a screen font... > > But a codepage is nothing else than just another screen font? > At least that was my understaning until today. No. A codepage also determines the correct character code when you enter an accented letter. A codepage changes output *and* input behaviour. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... J EN AI MARRE DES C... QUI NE RESPECTENT PAS LES CHARTES -+- R in: Guide du neuneu Usenet - bien respecter sa netiquette -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:37:45 +0200 Reply-To: Etienne Lemaire Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Etienne Lemaire Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received Barry's program and gave it a quick try: On my DS64, azerty keyboard , I only could use the arrow keys, the numeric keys are without effect. Anyone else gave this a try? Apart from M,D, C, H, W, R (described in Help) , I only found Q for quit. For its size , it has its use. I didn't try the colours, of course. Main missing function is saving to a named file. Anyway, Barry, thanks Etienne ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:07:40 -0500, you wrote: >>> NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing >>the >>> 640k limit? >> >>Swapping effectively does that. Especially if it were designed to >>swap in the extra ram of a 8 meg or 32 meg, etc machine. That >>would be pretty fast. > > Hmm..software carosel swaps and its pretty slow. But this doesn't > change the 640k barrier it just works around it. Notice the word "effectively". But software carousel is a program sitting on top of the OS and swapping between OSs. You can expect that to be slow. But if you're talking about modifying an OS it can be made to use the switching hardware to swap things out, which should be pretty fast. I'm not quite sure how it would know when to swap and when or what to swap back but I suspect something could be devised for that. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:14:02 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Etienne Lemaire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etienne Lemaire" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > I received Barry's program and gave it a quick try: > On my DS64, azerty keyboard , I only could use the arrow keys, > the numeric keys are without effect. Anyone else gave this a > try? > Apart from M,D, C, H, W, R (described in Help) , I only found Q > for quit. For its size , it has its use. I didn't try the > colours, of course. > Main missing function is saving to a named file. I was trying it out on the desktop where the numeric keypad works normally. I played with it on the palmtop this morning and found that you have to hold the menu key down to use the numeric keypad. I'm trying to find the source code to fix that and update the help and add a couple of easy features. But there are a couple of modules I can't find and some of the library modules I did find have been changed since I wrote this so I don't know how much it'll take yet. I'm still looking. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:49:24 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 1/2] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This thread is going large, I have to cut my reply into 2 pieces... ;) On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:55 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >Really, I don't consider Minix a useful OS for the HP200. There's > > >no memory protection, 64k+64k limitation, cooperative multitasking, = loss > > >of all the software that were developed especially for the HP200, ... > > > > There's no memory protection in dos > > Sure, I meant to say that the hardware doesn't provide any memory > protection. Memory protection is really a good thing to have if you wan= t > to do some multitasking. > > > system manager programs have the 64+64 limit > > That's why I usually don't use System Manager. The other reason is that= I > don't like graphics mode on a slow machine, as I don't think a slow > display can be compensated by the visual enhancements you can have with= a > 640x200 monochrome screen. Text mode is fast whatever the machine is. O= ne > only need to find a good way to present information on screen. > > > no multitasking at all in dos > > I *almost *agree. ;) > > In DOS, you have a lot of TSR programs, which implement a limited form = of > multitasking. > > You can also easily implement yourself some kind of multitasking in you= r > programs, without using any hardware trick, without redirecting > interrupts, without the need to prevent eventual troubles. I demonstrat= ed > that a few years ago with the Turbo Vision library from Borland, which > allows to develop in OOP, with an evenemental approach (i.e. your progr= am > doesn't poll the hardware to see if someone has pressed a key, you inst= ead > set up a function that will be called whenever a key is pressed). With > that approach, you can have a dummy event to designate the Idle state. = In > Turbo Vision, you have some form of message passing between objects > residing in memory, and you only have to use this message mechanism to > distribute this Idle event. Each object then receives the event, does a > part of its job, and passes the event to the next object. Easy to do. > > > and software can be written for Minix:). > > Yes, I agree with you on that point, I won't pretend the opposite... ;) ... --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Je constate que =E0 part ceux qui sont contre, ces 2 groupes rencontrent un consensus. On est =E0 100% d'accord, excellent ! -+-GA in : Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Le consensus pour les nuls -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:50:11 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The second part. On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:55 +0200, you wrote: ... > > Actually I was thinking which programs I'd most like ported to Minix. > > Just three. Derive, the palmtops database, and the HPCALC program > > Any valuable computer algebra system like Derive need a *lot* of memory. > Derive does a very nice job in real mode (I just received my version of > Derive 4.11, it's running nicely on the HP), but I really don't think y= ou > could do the same with only 64k+64k. And, most important, you don't hav= e > the source of Derive ;) Other packages exist, but there're mostly writ= ten > in C++, and I doubt you have a C++ compiler for Minix. > > For the other programs, it seems there's a lot of source code available= to > get the job done. > > > It > > would be nice to have a basic programming language > > like power basic too. > > Who would need to install Minix on a HP200 to use BASIC? Who would be s= o > crazy? ;) > > > And maybe a spreadsheet. I like Minix because > > for once I don't even have to look at a MS OS. When I used my pamtop > > it always bugged me that I had to use MSDOS. Now I don't. > > In fact, I prefer using MSDOS than Windows. MSDOS is fast, small, well > known, stable, and can be easily spoofed, so there's always a way to do > some strange and unusual things. That is no longer true under Windows. = In > that sense, Windows is much more invasive. In fact, I think I like MSDO= S > because I rarely see it. ;) > > > >But that's only my personal opinion. I prefer having a good Linux bo= x at > > >home, with all the software that I need and an ADSL connection, and = my > > >classic HP200 with a GPRS link. > > > > I put 32 bit Minix on my main computer (my libretto). I like it. It > > has 32 meg of ram and I have 31.5 meg free. > > Cool. And do you have everything you need under Minix? > > > >What *I* think could be useful for the HP200 would be to change some= DOS > > >limitations, for example the 8+3 filesystem limit in the file names,= or > > >the 640k memory limit... ;) > > > > NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing the > > 640k limit? > > NDOS is an old version of 4DOS, and 4DOS can support long filenames if > they're present. They don't provide them. > > To change the 640k barrier, I don't know if that's possible, but I was > thinking of using the memory mapping of the Hornet chip to statically m= ap > some portions of the C: drive into the processor memory space. I don't > know the mapping possibilities of the Hornet chip, but it's possible si= nce > that's what is done with EMM providers for the HP200. Instead of provid= ing > EMM (with movable pages), I was thinking of having static memory, in or= der > to load more TSR programs. > > I agree you will never be able to have more than 1M (minus the necessar= y > memory space to store the video memory, the system BIOS, and the pages > used to access the C: drive), but it can be better than the actual 640k. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- MG> Arriv=E9e des factures pour Freesbee Plus le 30 novembre, Sur le NG freesbee.test pourtant, un "representant" de freesbee =E0 annonc=E9 l'arriv=E9e imminente des factures . -+- ba in http://neuneu.ctw.cc - Neuneu teste Facture 1.0 =DF2 -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:11:34 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Good games resource MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://oldclassics.narod.ru/pc/pccga.html has heaps of cga games, does anyone have any other links???? we all need to waste time in meetings etc, what better way to do it with a game of elite, frogger, root beer tapper or araknoid. for those who can remember back that far.............;-) Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Sent: 26 July 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etienne Lemaire" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > I received Barry's program and gave it a quick try: > On my DS64, azerty keyboard , I only could use the arrow keys, > the numeric keys are without effect. Anyone else gave this a > try? > Apart from M,D, C, H, W, R (described in Help) , I only found Q > for quit. For its size , it has its use. I didn't try the > colours, of course. > Main missing function is saving to a named file. I was trying it out on the desktop where the numeric keypad works normally. I played with it on the palmtop this morning and found that you have to hold the menu key down to use the numeric keypad. I'm trying to find the source code to fix that and update the help and add a couple of easy features. But there are a couple of modules I can't find and some of the library modules I did find have been changed since I wrote this so I don't know how much it'll take yet. I'm still looking. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:12:43 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > > It > > would be nice to have a basic programming language > > like power basic too. > > Who would need to install Minix on a HP200 to use BASIC? Who would be so > crazy? ;) A language is a language. Basic is very nice for some things. If anyone is interested there is a lot of code around for small basic interpreters. The ones in C shouldn't be too hard to port to linux. There's even a C interpreter named Quincy floating around. I think it came with source code. It used to be on a lot of download sites but it's still around. I saw it somewhere not long ago. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:26:35 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > There's no memory protection in dos, system manager programs have the > 64+64 limit, no multitasking at all in dos I have to disagree somewhat here. There is multitasking through the system manager - no background activity perhaps but much better than having to completely close and reopen applications as in true singletasking systems. Copy and paste is more powerful than in many Win32 programs. There also is memory protection - you can't open a database already opened by another application. True, it not mainframe unix, but not plain DOS either. The one thing is the terribly inefficient and mindnumbingly slow search function. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:34:17 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > I'm not quite sure how it would know when to swap and when > or what to swap back but I suspect something could be devised for > that. If you're really interested, do a search for the sources of CP/M 3.0 which did a pretty good job using 128 kB and more in 64 kB address space. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:39:43 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erwann ABALEA wrote: > This thread is going large, I have to cut my reply into 2 pieces. Well, you asked for it: TRIM YOUR QUOTES, WE HAVE ALREADY READ ALL WE EVER WANTED TO AND A SMALL! REMINDER WILL SUFFICE! Sorry folks, I'll stop shouting now. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:46:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix >There also is memory protection - you can't open a > database already opened by another application. That's file protection. Memory protection prevents a running program from writing into another running program's space. Or into the OS's space. Not a problem if all programmers are always perfect and always produce well behaved programs. But some programs come from Microsoft. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:54:01 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > Barry wrote: > > I'm not quite sure how it would know when to swap and when > > or what to swap back but I suspect something could be devised for > > that. > > If you're really interested, do a search for the sources of CP/M 3.0 > which did a pretty good job using 128 kB and more in 64 kB address > space. Does CP/M 3 allow several programs to run? If not then it's probably simple bank switching. And it might be managed by the program, although I don't know that. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:56:40 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix In-Reply-To: <3D416D3F.C4B485EB@Nexgo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Axel Berger wrote: > Erwann ABALEA wrote: > > This thread is going large, I have to cut my reply into 2 pieces. > > Well, you asked for it: > TRIM YOUR QUOTES, WE HAVE ALREADY READ ALL WE EVER WANTED TO AND A > SMALL! REMINDER WILL SUFFICE! In fact, the first level of quote in the email you're replying to is my own contribution, because instead of reopening my sent mail and cutting it in parts, I replied to it and cutted it into 2 parts... The biggest quote I could eventually remove without loosing the subject i= s the very first one, and it is 3 lines long. All the others are one-liners only. Sorry if one line of quote is too large, it's hard to do less. :> Did you really need to shout? I don't think so. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- je m'=E9tonne que des gens puissent perdre du temps =E0 dire non. Le webe= st un bon espace de cr=E9ation, et il y a toujours des trouduculs pour vouloir freiner un nouvel essor. -+- Z=E9ro in: Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Bien voter dans le trou -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:07:49 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <000c01c234b7$08e85aa0$540d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > A language is a language. Basic is very nice for some things. Yes, but to be able to need, install, and fully use Minix on a HP200 requires some technical knowledge. To me, it's a little bit incompatible with BASIC programming. --=20 Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ----- Usenet: lisez bourr=E9, postez d=E9chir=E9s. -+- LC in : Le postage sans peine. -+- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:06:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > A language is a language. Basic is very nice for some things. > > Yes, but to be able to need, install, and fully use Minix on a HP200 > requires some technical knowledge. To me, it's a little bit incompatible > with BASIC programming. Yeah I forgot I was talking to "real" techies. I only worked as a programmer for a 34 years. 2/3 of that as a systems programmer, writing drivers, debuggers, interfaces, spoolers, modifying OSs, etc. When I get a little more technical experience I'll probably dismiss Basic, too. In the meantime, it's great for a quick and dirty way to do script type things and it's a great way to work out coding ideas and it's a fine tool for learning techniques you never learned before. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:59:53 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D416A2B.B69672EF@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 +0200, you wrote: > > 64+64 limit, no multitasking at all in dos > >There is multitasking through the system manager - no background activity >perhaps but much better than As you correctly observe - no background activity, i.e. only ONE SINGLE task has control of the CPU, even if that task is in a wait state! We do not call it _multi_-tasking, it is merely a _mono_-tasking, and the fature in the system manager that does it is a simple "task switcher", hence the term taskswitching, not multitasking. This is a very common confusion which Microshaft is guilty of - they call their Windows operating systems "multi-tasking" when it is incorrect for many of them. When it was pointed out to them they added the term "cooperative multi-tasking" which is a scenario where all the tasks running cooperatively give up control before they go into wait states, or if they have hogged the cpu for too long. Puh!!! A bunch of #$%#! No one wrote such programs. However, in the past they really DID have a multitasking operating system - a preemptive multitasking O/S. This one would decide who had the cpu, when and for how long based on various parameters such as priority, size, I/O, resources, and so on. That O/S was called O/S2, more precisely IBM O/S 2 ... WinNT series was a derivative and indeed a true multitasking O/S. What came after that is a hybrid between the Win95/98/ME and NT and the multitasking in W2K and WXP is weakened by policy, and these look more like taskswitchers with many bells and whistles and even an ability to hand over parts of the cpu to other tasks on a somewhat preemptive basis. WinNT multitasks much better than W2K! BTW, DesqView (and others) DID implement multitasking on DOS. DV was VERY VERY successful and really did a great job. I used it to drive a BBS (the oldest in Los Angeles) on a 286 machine with little memory. It ran beautifully. It also runs on the Palmtop (the 8086 version, I think called QXT?) too. Problem is that it leaves very little room for applications. Anyway, just a nit - nothing really big deal... >completely close and reopen applications.... >Copy and paste is more powerful ... >There also is memory protection ... >... mindnumbingly slow search function. I think I would agree with all of this. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:08:41 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D416D3F.C4B485EB@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 +0200, you wrote: >TRIM YOUR QUOTES, WE HAVE ALREADY READ ALL WE EVER WANTED TO AND A >SMALL! REMINDER WILL SUFFICE! Keep shouting. One of the least desirable "features" of the HPLX list is how abusive (and infectious) excessive quoting is. I started quoting a lot myself, and I hate it! Thank you for reminding me... Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:11:28 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001a01c234bb$a841abc0$540d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >Memory protection prevents a running program from writing into another >running program's space. With SC this is built-in, the _other_ program spaces are on file or disk away from the reach of the offending scribbler program which wants to scribble on some other programs space... avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:22:43 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > >Memory protection prevents a running program from writing into another > >running program's space. > > With SC this is built-in, the _other_ program spaces are on file or disk > away from the reach of the offending scribbler program which wants to > scribble on some other programs space... Correct. And you don't have to worry about cars running into one another as long as they're in different cities. Only allow one car in each city at a time and you can tear down the traffic signals. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:00 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > BTW, DesqView (and others) DID implement multitasking on DOS. DV was VERY > VERY successful and really did a great job. I used it to drive a BBS (the > oldest in Los Angeles) on a 286 machine with little memory. It ran > beautifully. It also runs on the Palmtop (the 8086 version, I think called > QXT?) too. Problem is that it leaves very little room for applications. > > Anyway, just a nit - nothing really big deal... If you really want to pick nits, Dos itself is a multi-tasking system, if you use the print. Or a mouse. Or the keyboard. And then there's the clock. You can't count the serial port because the dos drivers don't use interrupts but lots of other drivers do and they become dos extensions so you could almost count the serial port. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:16:18 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 7/26/02 +0200, Erwann ABALEA wrote: >Sorry if one line of quote is too large, it's hard to do less. :> ... >-- >Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 >----- >je m'=E9tonne que des gens puissent perdre du temps =E0 dire non. Le webest >un bon espace de cr=E9ation, et il y a toujours des trouduculs pour >vouloir freiner un nouvel essor. >-+- Z=E9ro in: Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Bien voter dans le trou -+- When you write one line of content and 7 lines of signature line - that is= =20 abusive! >Did you really need to shout? I don't think so. I think so very much! I'll stop thinking so when you remove your signature= =20 line that is so abusive - not content, just sheer size. Clearly, you do not= =20 consider palmtoppers with limited space on their machines. Maybe you should! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:37:10 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002301c234c9$21a61ac0$610d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >And you don't have to worry about cars running into one another as long as >they're in different cities. The PERFECT Microshaft Solution! One program per computer, and put the computers in different cities :-) Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:41:54 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: > >And you don't have to worry about cars running into one another as long as > >they're in different cities. > > The PERFECT Microshaft Solution! One program per computer, and put the > computers in different cities :-) Avi Shhhh! Don't let Bill hear you. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:38:50 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... > Any valuable computer algebra system like Derive need a *lot* of memory. > Derive does a very nice job in real mode (I just received my version of > Derive 4.11, it's running nicely on the HP), but I really don't think you > could do the same with only 64k+64k. And, most important, you don't have > the source of Derive ;) Other packages exist, but there're mostly written > in C++, and I doubt you have a C++ compiler for Minix. Yes- it is a commercial program. There does seem to be source for other compilers for Minix mentioned in the docs howerver I'm not sure whether they are just libraries > > > It > > would be nice to have a basic programming language > > like power basic too. > > Who would need to install Minix on a HP200 to use BASIC? Who would be so > crazy? ;) Heh- I like basic because it is so simple to write programs. Plus a nice basic like power basic compiles the programs. > > > > > I put 32 bit Minix on my main computer (my libretto). I like it. It > > has 32 meg of ram and I have 31.5 meg free. > > Cool. And do you have everything you need under Minix? No. But then I don't have everything I need uder any operating system. > > > > > NDOS has long filenames I think. How would you go about changing the > > 640k limit? > > NDOS is an old version of 4DOS, and 4DOS can support long filenames if > they're present. They don't provide them. Right you have to make afile. But that is close. I have seen PB3.5 code availible that adds long filenames to dos. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:52:50 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > A language is a language. Basic is very nice for some things. The simplicity is what makes it. Especially if you can compile your basic programs. I use basic quite a bit in technical settings. Combined with assembly its quite nice. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:26:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I used to get 704KB on my XT using a Techmar GraphicsMaster card in regular MDA/CGA modes. 64KB of the GM's video ram was available for regular programs to use. -----Original Message----- From: Erwann ABALEA [mailto:erwann@ABALEA.COM] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:50 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] I agree you will never be able to have more than 1M (minus the necessary memory space to store the video memory, the system BIOS, and the pages used to access the C: drive), but it can be better than the actual 640k. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:37:08 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Etienne 04h49m ago Etienne Lemaire wrote: > I received Barry's program and gave it a quick try: > On my DS64, azerty keyboard , I only could use the arrow keys, > the numeric keys are without effect. Anyone else gave this a > try? > Apart from M,D, C, H, W, R (described in Help) , I only found Q > for quit. For its size , it has its use. I didn't try the > colours, of course. Same here on my German LX. Only arrow keys, not the keypad. FWIW: This "nomouse" mouse driver from SUPER, which emulates a mouse with the keypad, also doesn't work on my LX, so there seems to be a difference in scancode generation between the different language LXs. Does anyone know details about this? I always wanted to use nomouse, but gave up of course because of this problem. Regarding Barry's program: Of course it has some important features missing, Barry didn't write it for the public, just for his own purposes. But it is a good beginning! Maybe we can convince him to enhance it a bit: different language kaypad support, mouse support, file name on command line, line thickness adjustment, PCX support, drawing speed ajustment for keyboard input.... ;-) Of course this would make only sense if there is no other product available which is similar and suits our needs already. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:37:09 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 04h20m ago Barry wrote: > I was trying it out on the desktop where the numeric keypad works > normally. I played with it on the palmtop this morning and found > that you have to hold the menu key down to use the numeric keypad. > > I'm trying to find the source code to fix that and update the help > and add a couple of easy features. But there are a couple of > modules I can't find and some of the library modules I did find > have been changed since I wrote this so I don't know how much it'll > take yet. I'm still looking. If you have fun improving it and if you have the time, please do it, it would be great! But don't worry too much about it, because I think we could find another program which would suit the needs. Probably a ready-made program is overkill, since i would include far too many features, so a custom-made one, small and fast, would be ideal. But again - only if it doesn't mean any trouble to you! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:06:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > If you have fun improving it and if you have the time, please do it, it > would be great! But don't worry too much about it, because I think we > could find another program which would suit the needs. Probably a > ready-made program is overkill, since i would include far too many > features, so a custom-made one, small and fast, would be ideal. But > again - only if it doesn't mean any trouble to you! I retired for health reasons and part of the problem is that my memory is affected. So I'm not sure I can do a very big project. Or anything bigger than a very small project. But this is something I would like to try. I've been looking for all the source code. I've found most of it but a lot of it has been modified over the years and the parts don't all fit together. I've also found a couple of other LX drawing programs I started but never finished. that have additional features. I'll look at this and see what I can come up with. I wrote this just for fun. Actually what I did was use it as my first introduction to a lot of different computers. The first thing I'd usually do on a new type of computer was write a Dot program. It was simple and since I'd written it a lot of times I knew well how to do it and I could focus on the new environment. I'm a little confused by the date on this one. It's for CGA but in 1988 I don't think I had a CGA computer except at work. Anybody remember when the 100lx came out? It was after 1988, wasn't it? I didn't actually write it to use it. Just for the sake of writing it. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:01:45 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like Paldraw. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:33:44 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In the meantime, it's great for a quick and dirty way to do script > type things and it's a great way to work out coding ideas and it's > a fine tool for learning techniques you never learned before. I agree. Plus if assembly is integrated and it has a compiler it can be very fast with very little bloat. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > > In the meantime, it's great for a quick and dirty way to do script > > type things and it's a great way to work out coding ideas and it's > > a fine tool for learning techniques you never learned before. > > I agree. Plus if assembly is integrated and it has a compiler it can be very > fast with very little bloat. I bet after this discussion all our c programmers are deleting their c stuff and reading up on basic. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:15 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I bet after this discussion all our c programmers are deleting > their c stuff and reading up on basic. :) > LOL. C programmers can be quite elitist. It would be interesting though. A OS like Linux or Minix with a built-in basic compiler plus c and assembly. It would change the whole nature of the OS and make it incredibly user friendly. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:59:00 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: OT: Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All this unix discussion plus the fun I've been having with Minix is getting me interested in installing Linux on my system too. I was wondering- how difficult would it be to download the linux kernel and source and install it- adding specific support for my Libretto as I go along? As it goes now I have to install support for my floppy drive in Linux plus pcmcia, video and APM. How well would linux kernal 2.4, I believe, run on a 32 meg 120 MHz system? I am not interested in X windows or anything like that just a command line system. Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as Minix's microkernel? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:52:21 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > With SC this is built-in, the _other_ program spaces are on file or disk > away from the reach of the offending scribbler program which wants to > scribble on some other programs space... Unless I misunderstand it goes further than that: Having loaded both DOS and 123 for example, the LX makes each see only its own limited address space and prevents access the the rest. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:52:35 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > Keep shouting. Actually I noted I had overreacted a bit - in his repost Erwann had marked all his own writing as a quote too, the reality was less bad than my first impression. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:52:55 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > When it was pointed out to them they added the term "cooperative > multi-tasking" which is a scenario where all the tasks running > cooperatively give up control before they go into wait states Yes but the idea, and unless I misremeber the name, was much older. I know it from digital research's GEM and its accessories, something above TSRs but not quite programs, as they can't (legaly) be started and exited but must be loaded at boot. They can switch whenever a GEMDOS OS call is made. GEM was written for MS-DOs and made part of the Atari OS (don't know which was first) before 1985. > However, in the past they really DID have a multitasking operating system - > a preemptive multitasking O/S. [...] That O/S was called O/S2 But that was very much later than MP/M, a mutitasking multiuser OS for Z80, 64 kB of RAM and no harddisk. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:03:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Looking for old devices? I poked into a 1993 database for the following 3 possibilities. All list support for serial interfaces, compatible with IBM PC series, and mention 'hand-held' in the configuration. Maybe you can find one of these on eBay. I actually found a picture of the Sharp JX-100 by an image search on Google at http://www.octet.com/~mikety/Projects/sharp.jpeg. Alan Striegel **** Computer Select, July 1993 -- Hardware Product Specification **** Product: JE-400 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Company: JEAN Systems Address: 305 Wilson Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specs: Pricing: $349 Standard warranty included: 1 yr. Date announced: 1991 Scanner type: Text/Image Interfaces supported: Serial Compatible with: IBM PC Series Type of input: Document; Page Resolution: 400 dpi Image scanning capabilities: line art; halftone; photograph 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 5 sec. Software included: Yes Configuration: Hand-held ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Product: Personal Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Company: New Dest Corp. Address: 4180 Business Center Dr. Fremont, CA 94538 510-249-0330 FAX: 510-249-0344 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specs: Pricing: $995 Standard warranty included: 1 yr. Date announced: 1990 Scanner type: Text/Image Interfaces supported: Serial Compatible with: IBM PC Series; Apple Macintosh Series Type of input: Document; Page Multi-font recognition: Yes Document placement: Sheetfed; Manual Resolution: 300 dpi Image scanning capabilities: line art; halftone 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 12.4 sec. Software included: Yes Configuration: Combination full-page hand-held/desktop scanner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Product: JX-100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Company: Sharp Electronics Corp. (Information Systems Group) Address: PO Box 650, Sharp Plaza Mahwah, NJ 07430-2135 800-BE-SHARP; 201-529-8200 FAX: 201-529-9637 Tech support: 800-732-8221 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specs: Pricing: $799 Standard warranty included: 90-day Date announced: 1989 Scanner type: Text/Image Interfaces supported: Serial Compatible with: IBM PC Series; IBM PS/2 Series; Apple Macintosh Series Type of input: Document; Photograph Document placement: Flatbed Resolution: 200 dpi Image scanning capabilities: line art; continuous tone; halftone; color; gray scale 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 40-540 sec. Software included: Yes Configuration: Hand-held ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Striegel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel Berger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > Avi Meshar wrote: > > With SC this is built-in, the _other_ program spaces are on file or disk > > away from the reach of the offending scribbler program which wants to > > scribble on some other programs space... > > Unless I misunderstand it goes further than that: Having loaded both DOS > and 123 for example, the LX makes each see only its own limited address > space and prevents access the the rest. I'm guessing because I haven't used SC but if it writes a program to disk and lets some other program use it's address space for a while, there's really nothing to protect. If there is enough memory that it keeps a program in memory while running another program in memory then it has to find a way to protect one program's address space from the other's. But since the program gets total control of the CPU I can't see how it could do that. My guess (and it's only that) is that SC doesn't keep two running programs in memory. You might load a TSR or run print and have a running program within an SC session but that's exactly as safe as doing the same thing in a normal dos session. As long as the programs are well-behaved everything is fine. If theyre not, there might be a problem. That would be true with or without SC. What you really want in that case is some way for the task manager to keep one program from writing outside it's allocated area and that can only be done in protected mode. In protected mode a task is given limited control. There are registers that contain it's address limits and it can't get to those registers and it can't write outside those limits. Using that the task manager (or OS) can make sure programs are safe from one another. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:18:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Axel Berger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > Yes but the idea, and unless I misremeber the name, was much older. I > know it from digital research's GEM and its accessories, something above > TSRs but not quite programs, as they can't (legaly) be started and > exited but must be loaded at boot. They can switch whenever a GEMDOS OS > call is made. GEM was written for MS-DOs and made part of the Atari OS > (don't know which was first) before 1985. I just read an article about Gem a few days ago and I think I remember that was developed before Windows was made available. I'm sure it was developed before OS/2. > > However, in the past they really DID have a multitasking operating system - > > a preemptive multitasking O/S. [...] That O/S was called O/S2 > > But that was very much later than MP/M, a mutitasking multiuser OS for > Z80, 64 kB of RAM and no harddisk. Multitasking isn't new. It was around LONG before microcomputers came along.When I started in the late 60s it had already been around for years. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:20:13 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 03h42m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > not call it _multi_-tasking, it is merely a _mono_-tasking, and the = fature > in the system manager that does it is a simple "task switcher", hence = the > term taskswitching, not multitasking. But aren't the borders between task switching and multitasiking very soft? Isn't a task switcher which uses very small time slices to swap and actively asssigns time slots to the actuve programs, something like multi tasking? What is _real_ multitasking? IMO, real multitasking can only exist if the CPU can really do several operations simultanously, i.e. if it is at least a pipelining CPU, even that is not really simultanously. Well, it may be defined somewhere clearly, and I may be totally wrong, but that's how I intuively understand the term "multitasking". GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:20:14 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 03h11m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Heh- I like basic because it is so simple to write programs. Plus a = nice > basic like power basic compiles the programs. Basic is nice for developers, because it is easy to write. But it is not nice for the users, because te EXEs get pretty big, because the runtime basic is compiled in, AFAIK. C is better regarding EXE file size, and it is a bit harder to program. And the best for the user is of course assembler. Small, fast. But not that easy to write. Right, Stefan? ;-) What the programmer saves once in time to write the program, all users have to spend as disk space and execution time. The worst in this respect are of course scripting languages, were you ave to ave a separate interpreter and which usually run extremely slow, compared to lower-level programming languages. But they are of course very flexible for quick-and-dirty jobs. So, all, learn Assembler!! (I always wanted to learn it too, but could never afford the time, so I'm still writing my small filter programs in C :-( GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:46:36 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix > But aren't the borders between task switching and multitasiking very > soft? Isn't a task switcher which uses very small time slices to swap > and actively asssigns time slots to the actuve programs, something like > multi tasking? I think multitasking is where the OS controls what has the cpu at any given time. Each running process gets it's turn for a specific time and then it's state is saved and the next process gets it's turn. The program doesn't have to know anything about this Neither does the user. The OS handles it. Task switching usually refers to a situation like software carousell or dosshell or sysmgr where the user can switch to a new task and then come back to the old one and it's right where he left it. > What is _real_ multitasking? IMO, real multitasking can only exist if > the CPU can really do several operations simultanously, i.e. if it is > at least a pipelining CPU, even that is not really simultanously. Multitasking doesn't depend on the CPU doing things simultaneously. There's multi-processing where there is more than one processor and each processor can be running a seperate task. That's simultaneous. But even then I'm sure there are limits. If the CPUs share the bust hey have to wait for their turn on the bus. I don't know much about this. I worked with a DG mini with 16 CPUs but I was having health problems then and I never really got a chance to learn much about it. In the case of pipelining with dual pipelines you might say that sometimes the CPU is doing two things at once. I'm not sure which Intel CPUs work that way but I think from Pentium 2 or 3 they do. But I'm sure the pipelines are flushed when tasks are switched. But multitasking doesn't depend on the CPU doing two things at once. For most of history multitasking reffered to the appearance that it was doing two things at once. > Well, it may be defined somewhere clearly, and I may be totally wrong, > but that's how I intuively understand the term "multitasking". I don't think any of this is written in stone. Every situation is a little different. The meaning of the terms keep changing as technology changes. I think it's all just whatever we think it is. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:16:22 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm..I compiled a hello world program in C version 2.0 fordos and it was 9k. I compiled a hello world program in power basic 3.5 for dos and it was 15k. Not all that much bigger. A hello world program in Forth was 18k.. Basic was the easiest to write at one line. Bloat seems inherant in high level languages no matter which you use. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > Basic is nice for developers, because it is easy to write. But it is > not nice for the users, because te EXEs get pretty big, because the > runtime basic is compiled in, AFAIK. > > C is better regarding EXE file size, and it is a bit harder to program. There's no inherent reason that I know of that compiled basic has to produce a larger executable than compiled C. In both cases the runtime is included, or can optionally not be included. The difference is that linkers include the complete runtime library in a Basic program (I think) and the linker includes only that code that is called from the C runtime library. Visual Basic is different because of it's gui. You can expect VB programs to be huge. But the same is true for MFC programs in C++ for the same reason. > And the best for the user is of course assembler. Small, fast. But not > that easy to write. Right, Stefan? ;-) The best language is the one that does the job at hand best. It's silly to write a sophisticated 3d game in VB and it's just as silly to write a database front end in C. Both are done. But it's not the best way to do either. Except sometimes. :) I'm not really a Forth programmer but I've played with it enough to understand something about it. If I had to assign the title "best language" I'd probably give it to Forth. Small, fast code. Very short development time and even shorter debugging time. And it's fun. What more can you ask? But it's hard to learn and it takes a bright programmer to use it well. The beauty of VB and MFC and C++ and Delphi and C++ Builder is that programmers don't have to be very good to produce reasonably good software in a reasonable time. A mediocre programmer can do a good job. If the programmer is really good that's better. That programmer will do a better job. Forth programmers, like C programmers or asm programmers have to be good to do a good job. A mediocre programmer will usually do a bad job. By the way, I read an article the other day about Von Neuman, who pretty much invented the stored program concept as we know it today. He was reputedly one of the most brilliant mathmeticians of the 20th century. Very sharp guy. But when someone in whichever university he was associated with began to develop a primitive assembler, Von Neuman lost his cool. He fought long and hard against the idea that computers could be programmed effectively in other than binary. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:16:28 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > > > Hmm..I compiled a hello world program in C version 2.0 fordos and it was 9k. > I compiled a hello world program in power basic 3.5 for dos and it was 15k. > Not all that much bigger. A hello world program in Forth was 18k.. > Basic was the easiest to write at one line. Bloat seems inherant in high > level languages no matter which you use. What forth did you use? There are two ways to make an exe in some forths. One is to just turn your compiler/interpreter along with your code into the exe. That's not efficient but it's simple. Some forths can also strip everything out of the executable that isn't needed and then the executable is a lot smaller. But even if you do it the other way and include everything, everything is a small fixed size. Write a game and you won't add a lot to that 18k. As for Basic, Power basic might not be the one to test this with. They've incorporated a lot of the techniques of high level languages and they probably have libraries that work more like c libraries. You probably can also reduce the C executable by a few k if you don't use printf to write hello world. Printf causes the compiler to pull in all the floating point code. Dont use it and don't use any floats or doubles and you'll save a few k. That might be possible in some form in Power Basic, too. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:47:42 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What forth did you use? There are two ways to make an exe in some > forths. One is to just turn your compiler/interpreter along with > your code into the exe. That's not efficient but it's simple. > > Some forths can also strip everything out of the executable that > isn't needed and then the executable is a lot smaller. I just wrote it quickly. It is pygmy forth and I could've stripped alot out:). Easily gotten it down to 10k or less. > > But even if you do it the other way and include everything, > everything is a small fixed size. Write a game and you won't add a > lot to that 18k. True. Same with power basic. > > As for Basic, Power basic might not be the one to test this with. > They've incorporated a lot of the techniques of high level > languages and they probably have libraries that work more like c > libraries. But the compiled code is very fast. I wrote a file parsing program in PB and it was about as fast as it written in C on the LX. It was much easier to write too. > > You probably can also reduce the C executable by a few k if you > don't use printf to write hello world. Printf causes the compiler > to pull in all the floating point code. Dont use it and don't use > any floats or doubles and you'll save a few k. That might be > possible in some form in Power Basic, too. Or write it all in assembly and compile in A86 and have the code be about 400 bytes in size.:) John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:45:52 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > Does CP/M 3 allow several programs to run? No > If not then it's probably simple bank switching. It is - my mistake I should have thought and realized that what you were thinking of is quite a bit more involved. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:49:33 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erwann ABALEA wrote: > In fact, the first level of quote in the email you're > replying to is my own contribution, So it is, my mistake, sorry. All I saw was a one-liner follwed by all quote and thus did not bother to read any of it. One very good reason to always stay polite and nerver shout is the possibility I might be wrong - I always try to remember that and do not always succeed. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:46:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: Re: Graphics program for the LX (+ Scanner Search) In-Reply-To: <454226824160D3118F9D00508B08F15A0785FB6B@piouspkldmail.pio s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alan, Thanks for the detailed scanner info! So there really are a couple that seem to be useable with the LX...now to try to find them to see if it's actually so! Martin :) At 05:03 pm 7/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Looking for old devices? I poked into a 1993 database for the following 3 >possibilities. All list support for serial interfaces, compatible with IBM >PC series, and mention 'hand-held' in the configuration. Maybe you can find >one of these on eBay. I actually found a picture of the Sharp JX-100 by an >image search on Google at http://www.octet.com/~mikety/Projects/sharp.jpeg. > >Alan Striegel > > **** Computer Select, July 1993 -- Hardware Product Specification **** > > Product: JE-400 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Company: JEAN Systems > Address: 305 Wilson Rd. > Cherry Hill, NJ 08002 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Specs: Pricing: $349 > Standard warranty included: 1 yr. > Date announced: 1991 > Scanner type: Text/Image > Interfaces supported: Serial > Compatible with: IBM PC Series > Type of input: Document; Page > Resolution: 400 dpi > Image scanning capabilities: line art; halftone; photograph > 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 5 sec. > Software included: Yes > Configuration: Hand-held > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Product: Personal Scan > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Company: New Dest Corp. > Address: 4180 Business Center Dr. > Fremont, CA 94538 > 510-249-0330 > FAX: 510-249-0344 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Specs: Pricing: $995 > Standard warranty included: 1 yr. > Date announced: 1990 > Scanner type: Text/Image > Interfaces supported: Serial > Compatible with: IBM PC Series; Apple Macintosh Series > Type of input: Document; Page > Multi-font recognition: Yes > Document placement: Sheetfed; Manual > Resolution: 300 dpi > Image scanning capabilities: line art; halftone > 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 12.4 sec. > Software included: Yes > Configuration: Combination full-page hand-held/desktop scanner > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Product: JX-100 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Company: Sharp Electronics Corp. (Information Systems Group) > Address: PO Box 650, Sharp Plaza > Mahwah, NJ 07430-2135 > 800-BE-SHARP; 201-529-8200 > FAX: 201-529-9637 > Tech support: 800-732-8221 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Specs: Pricing: $799 > Standard warranty included: 90-day > Date announced: 1989 > Scanner type: Text/Image > Interfaces supported: Serial > Compatible with: IBM PC Series; IBM PS/2 Series; Apple Macintosh > Series > Type of input: Document; Photograph > Document placement: Flatbed > Resolution: 200 dpi > Image scanning capabilities: line art; continuous tone; halftone; > color; gray scale > 8.5"x11" imaging speed: 40-540 sec. > Software included: Yes > Configuration: Hand-held > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Alan Striegel > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:50:10 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > > Some forths can also strip everything out of the executable that > > isn't needed and then the executable is a lot smaller. > > I just wrote it quickly. It is pygmy forth and I could've stripped alot > out:). Easily gotten it down to 10k or less. Pygmy lets you save a new version of the compiler which includes any new words you've added. At 18k my guess is that's what you did. There's also another method that strips out everything you arent actually using and creates a stand alone program that's quite a lot smaller. I haven't used Pygmy for a while so I don't remember how much smaller. > But the compiled code is very fast. I wrote a file parsing program in PB and > it was about as fast as it written in C on the LX. It was much easier to > write too. Yeah but Power Basic isn't a typical Basic. What's true about Basic in general is often not true about Power Basic. > Or write it all in assembly and compile in A86 and have the code be about > 400 bytes in size.:) Hello world would probably be more like 40 bytes in asm. Maybe less. Actually I just did it in debug and saved it as a com and it was 21 bytes. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:40:44 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <009901c234e8$f8c1c260$610d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >I'm guessing because I haven't used SC but if it writes a program >to disk and lets some other program use it's address space for a >while, there's really nothing to protect. It writes the entire memory occupied by the program (a "workarea" or a WA) out to the SC resource pool. Then it copies another WA into memory and gives it control. Indeed the protection is immaculate The infrastructure costs about 130K. Of course a rogue program can step on it. Nut then DOS' innate way to separate things steps in - the new WA comes in as its own instance of DOS so it basically never sees the outside memory. >If there is enough memory that it keeps a program in memory while running >another program in memory then it has to find a way to protect one >program's address space from the other's. Not necessary - there is NO other program in memory, it is in the resource pool along with other WAs. >But since the program gets total control of the CPU I can't see how it >could do that. Which "the program"? If you means the rogue program that wants to step on someone else, then it CAN step on other programs in the same memory content "instance". If you mean the rogue will step on SC - it'll have to fight its way out of the instance of DOS where it runs, and then finds only SC. >My guess (and it's only that) is that SC doesn't keep two running >programs in memory. SC works on the basis of ENTIRE memory space - even if there are 8 programs present in it. All go out to resource pool because they are part of the same WA. >As long as the programs are well-behaved everything is fine. If theyre >not, there might be a problem. That would be true with or without SC. Sort of. But if you are the bad guy program you can only step on what ELSE is in your memory image. A memory image with OTHER programs in it which is recorded a hard drive or located in ANOTHER country cannot be harmed (ok, the rogue can destroy the resource pool and all the WAs in it.) While in other scenarios WITHOUT SC, ALL THE PROGRAMS that are working now are NOW in memory and the bad guy program can step on them. >What you really want in that case is some way for the task manager to keep >one program from writing outside it's allocated area and that can only be >done in protected mode. Exactly. And SC takes the programs waaaaay out of range. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:09:03 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > While in other scenarios WITHOUT SC, ALL THE PROGRAMS that > are working now are NOW in memory and the bad guy program > can step on them. That - no SC only HP system manager - was what I was talking about. And as far as I understand it you are wrong. As DOS program sees only 256 kB (in my config) of RAM. Due to the HPs management the rest, with all the other programs and data, simply is not there to be corrupted and there is very little the misbehaved program can do about it. That might not be memory protection in the accepted sense, but IMHO it serves the purpose admirably. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:57:34 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 +0200, Daniel wrote: >But aren't the borders between task switching and multitasiking very >soft? Isn't a task switcher which uses very small time slices to swap >and actively asssigns time slots to the actuve programs, something like >multi tasking? Task switchers are NOT automatic. They are passive facilities. When you activate them, they pick a task and push it aside. Multitakers are automatic: they run preferably based on policy, and rules, and the good ones are _preemptive_ - i.e. they will cut in when they want to, preempting the running task. When it is time to give time to another task, the currently running task is quiesced and the next task gets control and coninues. The user does not even have to do anything, just sit and watch many programs doing their thing on the machine in what seems like "the same time". >What is _real_ multitasking? IMO, real multitasking can only exist if >the CPU can really do several operations simultanously, Formally you are right. What a goo multitasker will do is maximize the various activities: When a task sends something to be written on disk, that task will be quiesced immediately and the time given to another task. When the second task sends something to the serial port, it will be immediately quiesced too. The I/O operations do not need the cpu's attention (in the short run!) and that time can be spent by a third task running instructions. When that task send output to the screen, the O/S will check if the first tasks' write completed and return control to it. So the cpu is executing ONE instruction at a time, but progresses on multiple tasks - hence multitasking. Don't confuse "multitasking" with "multiple instructions", or multi-cpu. We are talking about a different animal: one cpu that can service more than one task, and can do so at its own volition, based on policy and parameters, not on "cooperation" of some programmer! >i.e. if it isat least a pipelining CPU, even that is not really simultanously. Agree, but I never claimed multitasking executes two (or more) instructions AT THE SAME time, only that multiple tasks are services at the same time - some with cpu, some with I/O and so on. While one part of the machine can be busy on disk channel, another part of the machine can be busy on serial port, and a third writing video out to screen. Now you have efficiency! >Well, it may be defined somewhere clearly, and I may be totally wrong, >but that's how I intuively understand the term "multitasking". It is close, but you introduce the execution of instructions simultaneously, which I stayed away from. A task can also be served by other components in the computer, not just cpu. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:01:06 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <00ab01c234ed$feaded20$610d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/26/02 -0500, Barry wrote: >I think multitasking is where the OS controls what has the cpu at >any given time. Each running process gets it's turn for a specific >time and then it's state is saved and the next process gets it's >turn. The program doesn't have to know anything about this >Neither does the user. The OS handles it. Yes. And a good multi-tasking os, in a rich and varied environment will also balance the services of other facilities to tasks, see my other message. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:49:24 -0700 Reply-To: Willnotreply GMX Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Willnotreply GMX Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit However, there is one important difference. I can easily pack 2-3 extra sets of NiMH to extend the effective life. Worst comes to worst, I'll hop into the nearest convenient shop and get unlimited extension. Most of the so called 'high power' PDAs use special built in batteries that must be recharged instead of changed. Just my opinion. Best Regards, Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Date: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux PDA Hi Jaques 07h50m ago Jacques Belin wrote: > Don't forget some others points : > (from http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html ) > > * Battery life: ~10 hr (backlight off) ; ~1 hr (backlight on) Well, 10 hrs is about the sam as I get from my upgraded and heavyly used 200LX. Also without backlight. Is the Zaurus screen well readable without the backlight in most conditions? If not, that would of course be a major problem. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:45:27 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 08h26m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Hmm..I compiled a hello world program in C version 2.0 fordos and it = was 9k. > I compiled a hello world program in power basic 3.5 for dos and it was = 15k. > Not all that much bigger. It may depend on the compiler, and how many of the not needed basic functions it compiles into the EXE. Actually, only the needed functions should be compiled in of course, but I always thought, a Basic compiler would always compile the whole Basic stuff into the EXE, no matter how muc of it you actually use. Well, how large would the hello world program be in Assembler? Probably no much longer than 11 bytes. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:45:29 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 08h37m ago Barry wrote: > The best language is the one that does the job at hand best. It's > silly to write a sophisticated 3d game in VB and it's just as silly > to write a database front end in C. Both are done. But it's not > the best way to do either. Except sometimes. :) Of course. And it depends on what level of portablilty is needed. It doesn't make sense of course to write a program in Assembler, which should run on different architectures. > I'm not really a Forth programmer but I've played with it enough to > understand something about it. If I had to assign the title "best > language" I'd probably give it to Forth. Small, fast code. Very > short development time and even shorter debugging time. And it's > fun. What more can you ask? My brother likes Forth, too. I have never learned it, so I cannot commecnt here. > By the way, I read an article the other day about Von Neuman, who > pretty much invented the stored program concept as we know it > today. He was reputedly one of the most brilliant mathmeticians of > the 20th century. Very sharp guy. > > But when someone in whichever university he was associated with > began to develop a primitive assembler, Von Neuman lost his cool. > He fought long and hard against the idea that computers could be > programmed effectively in other than binary. From his point of view this might have been true. But of course computers got faster and faster, which more and more storage space, so _programming_ in other things than binary was not the problem anymore. Ther are compilers not which produce the binaries, so why write the binaries manually? Von Neumann certainly didn't even dream about what his architecture evolved to bow. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:49:22 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 14:26 EDT, you wrote: > I used to get 704KB on my XT using a Techmar GraphicsMaster card in regular > MDA/CGA modes. 64KB of the GM's video ram was available for regular programs > to use. That's the kind of trick i was talking about. In your example, if you ever use the MDA graphics mode, you obviously ruin your efforts. -- Erwann. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 07:50:47 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 13:06 EDT, you wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Barry wrote: > >> A language is a language. Basic is very nice for some things. >> >> Yes, but to be able to need, install, and fully use Minix on a > HP200 >> requires some technical knowledge. To me, it's a little bit > incompatible >> with BASIC programming. > > Yeah I forgot I was talking to "real" techies. > > I only worked as a programmer for a 34 years. 2/3 of that as a > systems programmer, writing drivers, debuggers, interfaces, > spoolers, modifying OSs, etc. When I get a little more technical > experience I'll probably dismiss Basic, too. I'm not sure I understand precisely what you wanted to tell, but I didn't mean to offend anybody, so sorry if I did. I was only saying that in general, Unix programmers don't program in BASIC. The most widely used language is C, but that's absolutely not an obligation, just a matter of fact. I'm sure one can do effective programs in BASIC too, given a good BASIC compiler, and a relatively recent and versatile BASIC language version (that has changed a lot since the begining). > In the meantime, it's great for a quick and dirty way to do script > type things and it's a great way to work out coding ideas and it's As long as you can quickly do useful things in whatever the language you choose, then this language is good. I programmed some unusual things in the 4DOS batch language, for example a text-mode stereogram generator, a fast CD (the internal command) replacement, or a small agenda. At this time, it was easier for me to do such things in this language (the development cycle is shorter with an interpreted language). > a fine tool for learning techniques you never learned before. Maybe it's easy to teach some techniques, I don't know, but when an algorithm is described, it is mostly described either in pascal-like or in C. Rarely in BASIC. -- Erwann. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:15:19 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable On 26-07 13:16 EDT, you wrote: > At 7/26/02 +0200, Erwann ABALEA wrote: >>Sorry if one line of quote is too large, it's hard to do less. :> >=20 > ... >=20 >>-- >>Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 >>----- >>je m'=E9tonne que des gens puissent perdre du temps =E0 dire non. Le we= best >>un bon espace de cr=E9ation, et il y a toujours des trouduculs pour >>vouloir freiner un nouvel essor. >>-+- Z=E9ro in: Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet - Bien voter dans le trou -+- >=20 > When you write one line of content and 7 lines of signature line - that= is=20 > abusive! That is unfair. Axel wrote about mail quoting, you talk about my signatures. Even if you left one line of my text (which contained more than one line), and then modified reality so it can suit your needs, I agree about the signature, and will reduce it as soon as I get back home. At first, my signatures were 2 liners (the '-- ' is not part of the signature, it's a widely recognized separator, maybe you could add some support for this in POST/LX), and I added some more random texts later. To be honest, I don't like the fact that these additional texts are all 4 lines long, I personnaly find them too long. I'll then remove them. As for the quoting remark from Axel, I explained myself, demonstrating that I can't be considered as a pig-quoter. >>Did you really need to shout? I don't think so. >=20 > I think so very much! Shouting at first should never be an option. It has *never* been a good way of telling something. At first, one should provide some argumentation. Then, if I demonstrate that I'm really so dumb that I'm not able to admit simple facts admitted by the majority and still go on and annoy people, then I agree you can shout, and I'd do if I were you (and I did before). But really not at first. > I'll stop thinking so when you remove your signature > line that is so abusive - not content, just sheer size. I can hardly leave the content while reducing it's size :> But lets stop this flame war. I'll change my signature soon. I just would have preferred to see a more "good manners" way of asking for it. > Clearly, you do not > consider palmtoppers with limited space on their machines. Maybe you sh= ould! And you're still unfair. I *do* consider limited space machines, always. Not only thinking about HPLX users, I always avoided HTML mails, trying to teach people to configure and use their MUA effectively, flaming them when they pig-quote. After all, I also pay for each transmitted byte, and even more since I use my GSM/GPRS connection. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:35:57 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OT: Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 16:59 EDT, you wrote: > All this unix discussion plus the fun I've been having with Minix is getting > me interested in installing Linux on my system too. I was wondering- how Good. I really hope you'll enjoy the fun of the Unix philosophy. > difficult would it be to download the linux kernel and source and install > it- adding specific support for my Libretto as I go along? As it goes now I You need a lot more than the kernel to have a working OS. The minimum to add is the libc (C library), init (the very first program lauched by the kernel), filesystems utilities (to create and check filesystems), a getty program (the one that provides the 'login:' prompt), login (the one that authentifies you), and a shell (usually bash). With this strict minimum, you won't anything useful. The best way is to get a good Linux distribution and install it with your own selection of packages. Even with this method, you need to be comfortable in Linux to get a working install. I don't know the Libretto. If you only have a floppy disk (no CD), then the best distribution is the Slackware one, it can be splitted into diskettes and installed from them. You can eventually try a Debian or a Redhat and try the network install, maybe it can work. Have a fast Internet connection ready. > have to install support for my floppy drive in Linux plus pcmcia, video and > APM. How well would linux kernal 2.4, I believe, run on a 32 meg 120 MHz > system? I am not interested in X windows or anything like that just a > command line system. That's about what I have at home for my most useful machine (dev, gateway, fileserver, mail server, web server). I installed working Linux systems on systems as small as a 486dx25 with 4MB of RAM. It's slow, but it works. With the Libretto, you can even test XWindow (no final 's' please), provided you can find an X server for your video card. Maybe the most difficult parts will be the support for your PCMCIA chip or your videocard, but I hope someone else has already tested a Libretto under Linux and developped the necessary drivers for it. > Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as Minix's > microkernel? First, Minix is not a microkernel, it's still a monolithic kernel, albeit a small one. (a microkernel is a different concept). Next, a carefully optimized Linux kernel will consume about 2M of your memory, at large. I can provide some help and advices if you want some, but obviously not on this list. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:23:06 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 18:16 EDT, you wrote: > Hmm..I compiled a hello world program in C version 2.0 fordos and it was 9k. You can strip it to 6.5k using the TCC command line compiler. The IDE adds some more stuff. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:17:04 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 16:49 EDT, you wrote: >> I bet after this discussion all our c programmers are deleting >> their c stuff and reading up on basic. :) I won't, personnaly :> > LOL. C programmers can be quite elitist. It would be interesting though. A Learn C, and we'll see if you still want to stick with BASIC. ;) > OS like Linux or Minix with a built-in basic compiler plus c and assembly. > It would change the whole nature of the OS and make it incredibly user > friendly. In fact, it's already the case. Having a BASIC compiler, C compiler, and assembler doesn't change anything, really. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:28:21 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 18:49 EDT, you wrote: > Erwann ABALEA wrote: >> In fact, the first level of quote in the email you're >> replying to is my own contribution, > > So it is, my mistake, sorry. All I saw was a one-liner follwed by all > quote and thus did not bother to read any of it. One very good reason to > always stay polite and nerver shout is the possibility I might be wrong > - I always try to remember that and do not always succeed. Thanks for recognizing things publicly. I appreciate. It's the first time my contribution is refused by the server for the 140 lines limit, and I didn't send it back correctly. Next time (if that happens anew), I'll do it better. I don't like to be misunderstood. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 07:36:28 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 13:52 EDT, you wrote: > The simplicity is what makes it. Especially if you can compile your basic > programs. I use basic quite a bit in technical settings. Combined with > assembly its quite nice. Of course if you find a need for BASIC programming, feel comfortable with it, and can do whatever you want to, then it's a good solution. I switch from BASIC before I saw my first procedural BASIC. I couldn't go on programming spaghetti code ;) Now I program in C, and I'm happy with it. Note that I programmed in Turbo Pascal for some years, and since it filled my needs, I didn't need to change. Then I needed to work cooperatively on Unix systems, and the nearly only possible language in such case is C or now sometimes C++ (well, a few people *really* program in C++ actually). -- Erwann. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:47:48 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 17:20 EDT, you wrote: > And the best for the user is of course assembler. Small, fast. But not > that easy to write. Right, Stefan? ;-) > > What the programmer saves once in time to write the program, all users > have to spend as disk space and execution time. You don't *always* save execution time by writing in assembly. I agree that for some specific tasks, or some special environment (I program in assembly inside smartcards, for example), assembly language written programs are faster. But due to the difficulty to express complex programs in assembly, you can't really code complex algorithm or have complex but very efficient data structure, and sometimes have to fall back to simpler and slower ones. For example, think of implementing a B-Tree structure in assembly. You'll probably stick with a linked list. > So, all, learn Assembler!! (I always wanted to learn it too, but could > never afford the time, so I'm still writing my small filter programs in > C :-( Assembly is very often not an option, when the desired code needs to be portable. C is a better language for this, if used by a good programmer. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:53:55 -0400 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 26-07 17:20 EDT, you wrote: > What is _real_ multitasking? IMO, real multitasking can only exist if > the CPU can really do several operations simultanously, i.e. if it is You can have real multiprocessing (real parallel processing) with a multiprocessor machine, or course. And a bi-processor PC is not very expensive. I have one at home, and the MB+2 CPU cost me about 300 euros 2 years ago. > at least a pipelining CPU, even that is not really simultanously. No. A pipelining CPU still executes one task at a time, even if more than one instruction is processed at a time, and even if the CPU has more than one arithmetic unit inside it. As soon as you have a break in the instruction flow (for example when you JMP to another part of the code, or when you switch the task), you generally loose the content of the whole pipeline. -- Erwann ABALEA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:53:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as Minix's > > microkernel? > > First, Minix is not a microkernel, it's still a monolithic kernel, > albeit a small one. (a microkernel is a different concept). Hmm..Richard Tannenbaum(?) the guy who originally wrote it calls it a microkernel. I don't know if it is or not I am not familar enough will OS'es to identify one. Why isn't it a microkernel? Is it because it contains the drivers in the kernel? > Next, a carefully optimized Linux kernel will consume about 2M of your > memory, at large. Wow- 2 Meg. Still better than windows which consumes about 4 meg. > > I can provide some help and advices if you want some, but obviously not > on this list. Thanks. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 07:55:48 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On 26-07 16:49 EDT, you wrote: > > >> I bet after this discussion all our c programmers are deleting > >> their c stuff and reading up on basic. :) > > I won't, personnaly :> > > > LOL. C programmers can be quite elitist. It would be interesting though. A > > Learn C, and we'll see if you still want to stick with BASIC. ;) I'm learning c- albet slowly. I am teaching myself C by porting some drivers. To be honest C is a very difficult language to learn. I understood and could program in Basic and Forth very fast. Assembly was more difficult- I acually needed to study good source to use that. But C basically like learning Chinese after learning English. It is not intuitive and relates to nothing. I actually have a hard time understanding why anyone would WANT to program in it unless it was the first language he learned and simply was familiar with it. Anything C can do can pretty much be done easier and faster in other languages. And the code will be just as small and fast. Heh- the only reason I am learning it is because it is used so much and alot of good code is in C. > > > OS like Linux or Minix with a built-in basic compiler plus c and assembly. > > It would change the whole nature of the OS and make it incredibly user > > friendly. > > In fact, it's already the case. Having a BASIC compiler, C compiler, and > assembler doesn't change anything, really. Sure it does. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 07:59:51 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Maybe it's easy to teach some techniques, I don't know, but when an > algorithm is described, it is mostly described either in pascal-like or > in C. Rarely in BASIC. But very easy to convert to basic. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:03:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Now I program in C, and I'm happy with it. Note that I programmed in > Turbo Pascal for some years, and since it filled my needs, I didn't need > to change. Then I needed to work cooperatively on Unix systems, and the > nearly only possible language in such case is C or now sometimes C++ > (well, a few people *really* program in C++ actually). Yes- to program in Minix is why I am learning C. Practically all the source is in C, the kernel is compiled with a c compiler. However luckily I can throw in assembly so maybe I'll skip C and just write assembly code. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:42:25 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:45 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > Well, how large would the hello world program be in Assembler? > Probably no much longer than 11 bytes. ;-) I made one yesterday in Debug that's 21 bytes. 24CE:0100 BA0901 MOV DX,0109 24CE:0103 B409 MOV AH,09 24CE:0105 CD21 INT 21 24CE:0107 CD20 INT 20 24CE:0109 68656C DB "Hello World$" 24CE:0115 I don't think you can get any smaller, but having said that I'm sure someone will prove me wrong. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 5:49 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > On 26-07 14:26 EDT, you wrote: > > > I used to get 704KB on my XT using a Techmar GraphicsMaster card in regular > > MDA/CGA modes. 64KB of the GM's video ram was available for regular programs > > to use. > > That's the kind of trick i was talking about. In your example, if you > ever use the MDA graphics mode, you obviously ruin your efforts. When I first started playing with Qemm an 386Max I did some experimenting on a Dos system. Probably a Compaq with a CGA mono adapter. Like the LXx, they gave shades of grey. Or shades of Amber. :) Anyway I think the most I ever made available for programs was about 725k. That was done using UMB. It couldn't be done on an XT. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:05:15 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > I'm not sure I understand precisely what you wanted to tell, but I > didn't mean to offend anybody, so sorry if I did. I was only saying that > in general, Unix programmers don't program in BASIC. The most widely > used language is C, but that's absolutely not an obligation, just a > matter of fact. I'm sure one can do effective programs in BASIC too, > given a good BASIC compiler, and a relatively recent and versatile BASIC > language version (that has changed a lot since the begining). I wasn't offended. I just enjoy irony and I went with it. Your's isn't an uncommon opinion. I'm just not an elitist when it comes to programming languages. Now, music. That's another thing entirely. That's where I'm really a snob. :) > > a fine tool for learning techniques you never learned before. > > Maybe it's easy to teach some techniques, I don't know, but when an > algorithm is described, it is mostly described either in pascal-like or > in C. Rarely in BASIC. That's true, when a language is used to describe an algorithm but I think the most common way to describe a lot of things, especially in graphics, is with math, not a computer language. I haven't studied much math so I have to find ways to get it into a computer language to understand it better. I've found Basic is excellent for this. Partly becuase it's very algebraic anyway. But also because it's very simple and plain. I've also used RPL on the HP48 calculator for this quite a lot. I'm not really that knowlegable with RPL but it lets you think in very non-traditional ways and I know enough to use it for that. RPL is modelled after both Forth and Lisp, but it's something a little different. The reason C and Pascal are used is because they're very well known and also because people who write tutorials are often showing off a little and they want to use a "classy" language. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:08:02 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > On 26-07 18:16 EDT, you wrote: > > > Hmm..I compiled a hello world program in C version 2.0 fordos and it was 9k. > > You can strip it to 6.5k using the TCC command line compiler. The IDE > adds some more stuff. I think the IDE adds debugging information by default, but that can be turned off. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:17:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > You don't *always* save execution time by writing in assembly. I agree > that for some specific tasks, or some special environment (I program in > assembly inside smartcards, for example), assembly language written > programs are faster. But due to the difficulty to express complex > programs in assembly, you can't really code complex algorithm or have > complex but very efficient data structure, and sometimes have to fall > back to simpler and slower ones. For example, think of implementing a > B-Tree structure in assembly. You'll probably stick with a linked list. I don't really disagree with anything you said but I do think it's misleading, if kind of true. Complex algorithms are easier to code in C. But they can be coded in assembly just fine. You're right that the temptation in assembly is often to use simpler algorithms. But it's only temptation, not necessity. I just don't want to see people who don't know assembly to get the impression that you can't do certain things in it. You probably wouldn't, but you ALWAYS can. The truth is that, ignoring development time, you can do anything in assembly that you can do in C. The reverse is nearly true, too. But assembly can do a few things C can't do. And certain things are much, much easier in assembly. Writing small ISR's for example. But then I don't want to give the impression that you're wrong. In the real, practical "get it done yesterday" world we live in, what you say is pretty much the truth. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:26:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > I'm learning c- albet slowly. I am teaching myself C by porting some > drivers. To be honest C is a very difficult language to learn. I understood > and could program in Basic and Forth very fast. Assembly was more difficult- > I acually needed to study good source to use that. But C basically like > learning Chinese after learning English. It is not intuitive and relates to > nothing. I actually have a hard time understanding why anyone would WANT to > program in it unless it was the first language he learned and simply was > familiar with it. Anything C can do can pretty much be done easier and > faster in other languages. And the code will be just as small and fast. Heh- > the only reason I am learning it is because it is used so much and alot of > good code is in C. I had the same problem when I first started with C. But when you get to the "ahah!" point and it all comes together, C becomes very intuitive and certain very complex tasks become much easier than they are in other languages. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:32:06 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > But due to the difficulty to express complex programs > in assembly, you can't really code complex algorithm or > have complex but very efficient data structure, and sometimes > have to fall back to simpler and slower ones. For example, think of > implementing a B-Tree structure in assembly. You'll probably > stick with a linked list. Maybe we need to develop assembly++ so it can use the STL. Of course then we'll have to come up with a matching debug++. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:44:26 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <006001c2357a$96253be0$800d22d1@oemcomputer>; from barry@FBTC.NET on Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 09:32:06AM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 09:32:06AM -0500, Barry wrote: > Maybe we need to develop assembly++ so it can use the STL. You might be interested in HLA (High-Level Assembly) then, at . It doesn't do STL, but IMO it does take quite a bit of the pain out of assembly programming (though assembly purists might choke on their toast or something 8-). - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:52:25 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <005201c23579$a5bf7c60$800d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:26:14 -0500, you wrote: > >I had the same problem when I first started with C. But when you >get to the "ahah!" point and it all comes together, C becomes very >intuitive and certain very complex tasks become much easier than >they are in other languages. > C would probably be easier to learn if it was the first language a person was taught not the third or forth. With a blank slate it might be more intuitive. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:51:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Adrian Ho MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Ho" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 09:32:06AM -0500, Barry wrote: > > Maybe we need to develop assembly++ so it can use the STL. > > You might be interested in HLA (High-Level Assembly) then, > at . It doesn't do STL, but > IMO it does take quite a bit of the pain out of assembly > programming (though assembly purists might choke on their > toast or something 8-). It makes me choke on my toast. :) I participate on alt.lang.asm sporadically and Randy Hyde, the author of HLA is there also. He insists that student's learn assembly faster and better using HLA. And after 20 years of teaching assembly on the college level (and the fact that he's a pretty sharp guy) I have to respect his opinion. But I sure have a hard time accepting it. I've helped a few people learn asm and they do have a hard time at first. Learning it seems easy enough but they usually don't see the point at first. How can such simple concepts be useful? I think HLA probably does help solve that problem for people learning. But I really wonder how much it lets them not get involved with the CPU, which is what assembly is all about. It seems to me that it's kind of like teaching flying with flight simulator. I can think of all kinds of advantages that has over a real airplane. But it won't really teach anybody how to fly. Not really. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:55:21 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > C would probably be easier to learn if it was the first language a > person was taught not the third or forth. With a blank slate it might > be more intuitive. Maybe. I'm not sure. There's not really much in C that is counter to what you learn in other languages. It's mostly new stuff. It seems like everything you already know would make it easier. You don't have to try to understand loops and case statements and conditionals, etc. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:19:05 +0800 Reply-To: Adrian Ho Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Adrian Ho Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <007301c2357d$3d340a40$800d22d1@oemcomputer>; from barry@fbtc.net on Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 09:51:59AM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 09:51:59AM -0500, Barry wrote: > It makes me choke on my toast. :) What, no tea to wash it down? 8-) > [...] > I think HLA probably does help solve that problem for people > learning. But I really wonder how much it lets them not get > involved with the CPU, which is what assembly is all about. > It seems to me that it's kind of like teaching flying with > flight simulator. I can think of all kinds of advantages > that has over a real airplane. But it won't really teach > anybody how to fly. Not really. Well, yeah, I'd agree that from the learning POV, HLA shields a lot of stuff from the student that might be better revealed in all its gory detail. However, I was suggesting HLA from the POV of easier expression of complex algorithms (say, on the level of STL) for production programming. Or mebbe I totally misunderstood your "assembly++" reference. 8-) - Adrian ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:35:33 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Adrian Ho MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Ho" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > However, I was suggesting HLA from the POV of easier expression > of complex algorithms (say, on the level of STL) for production > programming. Or mebbe I totally misunderstood your "assembly++" > reference. 8-) Sorry. That was a joke. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:07:36 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Manners, was: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erwann ABALEA wrote: > Shouting at first should never be an option. I agree. What I saw at first glance was you saying "sorry this is long and will take two mails", then the first of those two was all quote making it look like your own words would only begin in the second, and thus the first could be considered pure noise. I was wrong, but that was what made me react to your introductory line. Short quoting and clearly visible distinguishing between quote and comment does make life easier for readers though - as does keeping polite and soft spoken whatever. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:30:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Type II or compact flash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering. If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one type II would it still be as useful as a tool? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:36:42 +1200 Reply-To: Roger Whitmarsh Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Roger Whitmarsh Subject: Best Language? (was Networking and PPP on with Minix ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel wrote: >Basic is nice for developers, because it is easy to write. But it is >not nice for the users, because te EXEs get pretty big, because the >runtime basic is compiled in, AFAIK. I know this was originally a Minix discussion, but since it seems to have changed to a language comparison, I must insert a plug here for ASIC. This uses BASIC sysntax but compiles to tiny, fast executables, since most ASIC statements compile directly to a machine language instruction. It has a few limitations but is nevertheless extremely nice to use, with a very good IDE and built-in debugger. There are also a couple of very useful 'DLL' additions available for it, providing very sophisticated functions. All well-priced shareware. Cheers, Roger ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:58:23 +1000 Reply-To: David Eggins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Eggins Subject: HP95LX address book In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717012249.00a6d490@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Does anyone know if you can use the 95LX to view an addressbook file from a 200LX? Also, what about an appointment book file? Thank You David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:27:08 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <002901c2356f$438ab140$1cfbf7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 13h15m ago, on 2002-07-27, John Musielewicz wrote: > > Maybe it's easy to teach some techniques, I don't know, > > but when an algorithm is described, it is mostly described > > either in pascal-like or in C. Rarely in BASIC. > > But very easy to convert to basic. Agree. Not so easy from LISP though :( Here I have "Calendrical Calculations" by Reingold and Dershowitz and it has all the algorithms in LISP. Not easy to convert them to C either. It has apparently been done though. I use PB3.2 on the palmtop. FWIW it does a "hello World!" exe in 11.248K after turning off as many compiler/linker options as I can. My problem with C on the palmtop is finding a thoroughly reliable compiler. I must try SPHINX. Power C from MIX had some problems here. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:11:02 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Tony Hutchins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Agree. Not so easy from LISP though :( Here I have > "Calendrical Calculations" by Reingold and Dershowitz and it > has all the algorithms in LISP. Not easy to convert them to C > either. It has apparently been done though. What does an algorithm look like in lisp? > > I use PB3.2 on the palmtop. FWIW it does a "hello World!" exe > in 11.248K after turning off as many compiler/linker options > as I can. My problem with C on the palmtop is finding a I just did a quick compile so I'm not suprized if you take the time to do it right it comes out smaller. I just wanted a quick comparison of sizes. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:18:15 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET In-Reply-To: <00b601c235b4$dfee0a60$1cfbf7a5@libretto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/27/02-04:30 PM, John Musielewicz wrote: >If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one type II would it >still be as useful as a tool? I am not sure. The reason is because at this stage in the life of the palmtop, so many people acquired the collection of storage, modem and so on cards that work in the palmtop, and probably a large - maybe most - of the acquisitions were done before the CF format became very popular, so quite probably a large portion of the "PCMCIA cards" are ATA, Type I and Type II. I only have a few CF type I storage cards, for digital cameras, and one Microdrive CF type II. Replacing the ATA format with CF format may mean dumping a lot of cards that cost a lot of money and getting new ones, in the CF format. BTW, CF Type I and Type II fit fine in the ATA Type II. I am not sure how typical this is really, but maybe people can post what combination PCMCIA ATA cards and CF cards they have, so it'll give you a sense for what people have... The other consideration might be what are the power requirements of CF cards now, such as the small modems, etc. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:29:36 +1000 Reply-To: Tim Pitman Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Pitman Subject: ANN: SOLO programming language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all the recent discussions of programming languages for the palmtop, I thought I'd throw something new into the mix: SOLO. What is it: A basic-like interpreted programming language designed specially for the LX palmtops. When was it made: I started in 1996 (on a 95lx), through to about 1998. I did a tiny bit on it last year also. What is it made in: Shynx C--, a free C-like programming language which is very SMALL and FAST; ideal for palmtop development. Language features: Visual basic like source code for language and GUI components Integer maths only Lots of palmtop specific commands Bad stuff: Unfinished Some bugs No documentation (need to look at sample programs and source code) Good stuff: Small Palmtop optimised Assembly language and C-- fast PAL-like GUI Full source code Anyway, if you'd like to try it out, download it from www.southcom.com.au/~tpitman/200lx/solo.zip (aaprox 40k download). An executable, source code and a few sample peograms are included. The source code includes lots of C-- functions for palmtop programming which would be useful for general development in this language. If there's sufficient interest, I might be able to fix/finish features in the language or coordinate development. Tim Pitman. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:15:42 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <000d01c235ec$f06e2720$3af8f7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 01h30m ago, on 2002-07-27, John Musielewicz wrote: > What does an algorithm look like in lisp? You don't want to know. Here we are - a function apparently converting a fraction of a day into hour/minute/second - basicaly t=t*24:hour=int(t) t=(t-hour)*60:minute=int(t) second=int((t-minute)*60+.5) In LISP: (defun time-from-moment (tee) (let* ((hour (floor (mod (* tee 24) 24))) (minute (floor (mod (* tee 24 60) 60))) (second (mod (* tee 24 60 6010) 60))) (time-of-day hour minute second))) Actually I am sure a LISP programmer would regard this as elegant. The code they give is very well commented in English, but that is not really a lot of help to me. My impression is that there is a high chance of bugs in code like this, but I can be wrong. I think I can sort of undertstand it but that "6010" should be just "60" I think. It looks like (* a b c) = a*b*c which is like APL. Different languages are fascinating. The above looks potentially "slow" as tee*24 is computed 3 times. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:59:58 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > my next 'project' is to get a trackpoint type device to work on the lx. I don't know of a trackpoint but there is a nice trackBALL. The Thumbelin= a is about 4 Square centimeters in surface and is compatible with the = HPLX. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:14:18 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry wrote: > I made one yesterday in Debug that's 21 bytes. > 24CE:0100 BA0901 MOV DX,0109 > 24CE:0103 B409 MOV AH,09 > 24CE:0105 CD21 INT 21 > 24CE:0107 CD20 INT 20 > 24CE:0109 68656C DB "Hello World$" > 24CE:0115 > > I don't think you can get any smaller... I agree, this is the smallest possible in ASM. But if you don't like ASM, you should always consider C--, which is my Nobel price award for programming languages and probably what you would call ASM++. The C-- program for "Hello World!" takes only 43 bytes. Here is the source code: /* SPHINX C-- hello world example program Run file size: 43 bytes. */ ? resize FALSE // do not resize programs memory block ? jumptomain NONE // no need for a jump at the beginning of the code ? include "WRITE.H--" main () { WRITESTR("Hello World!\n"); } The disadvantages of C-- are: - compiler is only available for DOS, that means, you cannot port your programs to another platform - uses only a subset of the C++ syntax (I like that) - can only produce COM files (64KB for code and data) - no floating point maths The advantages are: - extremely small an fast code, just like ASM - very small source code files compared to ASM - complete inline assembler - compiler source code available Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:58:25 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Type II or compact flash > I was wondering. If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one type > II would it still be as useful as a tool? John, I'd like to suggest that you keep your foot clean and maybe sprinkled with your favorite spice, since it spends so much time in your mouth. :) Did you ever notice that one of the favorite topics on this list is how the LX is still the only really useful PDA? Here you are with the PDA that is effectively faster than a speeding PocketPC, able to leap Palms in a single bound, still has more and better software available to it than any other PDA, has the most and the best development software available, is able to run the largest variety of OSs, has the most useful built in apps, gets the best battery life, has more screen real estate, can attach to the largest variety of peripherals, and you wonder if having another feature might make it somehow useful. Anyway, to answer your question, yeah! Having 2 CF slots instead of one PCMCIA slot would make it more useful to some; less to others. I'd find it more useful, personally. So what about cars? Do you think we could make a car useful with 2 small trunks instead of one large one? Do you think we could make wives useful with....well, better not go there. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:02:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Best Language? (was Networking and PPP on with Minix ) Comments: To: Roger Whitmarsh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whitmarsh" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Best Language? (was Networking and PPP on with Minix ) > Daniel wrote: > >Basic is nice for developers, because it is easy to write. But it is > >not nice for the users, because te EXEs get pretty big, because the > >runtime basic is compiled in, AFAIK. > I know this was originally a Minix discussion, but since it seems > to have changed to a language comparison, I must insert a plug here > for ASIC. This uses BASIC sysntax but compiles to tiny, fast > executables, since most ASIC statements compile directly to a > machine language instruction. It has a few limitations but is > nevertheless extremely nice to use, with a very good IDE and > built-in debugger. There are also a couple of very useful 'DLL' > additions available for it, providing very sophisticated > functions. All well-priced shareware. > Cheers, Roger There's also BASM, a basic that compiles directly to assembly language to be assembled by MASM. The interesting thing about BASM is that there is no runtime. Everything is in that ASM file. And there's BASM286 that compiles to 286 code which works fine on the LX, taking advantage of the extra instructions. Also very small and fast executables. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:06:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Tony Hutchins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Hutchins" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > I use PB3.2 on the palmtop. FWIW it does a "hello World!" exe > in 11.248K after turning off as many compiler/linker options > as I can. My problem with C on the palmtop is finding a > thoroughly reliable compiler. I must try SPHINX. Power C from > MIX had some problems here. I'm curious what reliabliity problems you're referring to. I've never had anything I'd call reliabilty problems from any compiler. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:36:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Peichl" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], > The C-- program for "Hello World!" takes only 43 bytes. > Here is the source code: > > /* > SPHINX C-- hello world example program > Run file size: 43 bytes. > */ > ? resize FALSE // do not resize programs memory block > ? jumptomain NONE // no need for a jump at the beginning of the code > ? include "WRITE.H--" > > main () > { > WRITESTR("Hello World!\n"); > } I made some assumptions about what is the essential part of your program and counted 80 bytes. I'm not very sure of the truth of my assumptions. I then pared down the asm to the essentials for debug (where I wrote it) and got 48 bytes. Put it in A86 and you probably can add a few bytes. Let's say 10 although less could be used. Put it in Masm or Tasm and you probably can add an additional 20 bytes., making a total of 78 bytes. Still beating C-- by 2 bytes unless my assumptions are wrong about how much you really needed to include in C--. The winner of course would be GW Basic with ?"Hello world" (I'm not sure the final quote is essential) with Forth a fairly close second with ." Hello world" The code and counts are below. I put an underscore every 5 bytes on each line to make counting easier. Barry ? res_ize F_ALSE ? jum_ptoma_in NO_NE ? inc_lude _"WRIT_E.H--_" main _() { WRITE_STR("_Hello_ Worl_d!\n"_); } 80 characters MOV D_X,010_9 MOV A_H,09 INT 2_1 INT 2_0 DB "H_ello _World_$" 48 characters ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:43:27 -0400 Reply-To: todd hartley Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: todd hartley Subject: ethernet cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C23623.9B0FE2A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C23623.9B0FE2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a new subscriber to this newsgroup and not exactly sure how to use = it. I have a doublesped 32mb hp200lx and want an ethernet card for it. I do not know where to find an accton en2216 or a NETWORK 4lan PCMCIA = Ethernet adapter ANT-CS-2P. I know the silicom card will not support = doublespeed. I plan to buy a socketcom ea0911-336 which appears to be the same card = as ea0914-337 without the rugged connector. Can anyone tell me if this card will work in the hp200lx and if it will = support doublespeed? Thank you very much. Todd Hartley ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C23623.9B0FE2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am a new subscriber to this newsgroup = and not=20 exactly sure how to use it. I have a doublesped 32mb hp200lx and want an = ethernet card for it.
I do not know where to find an accton = en2216 or a=20 NETWORK 4lan PCMCIA Ethernet adapter ANT-CS-2P. I know the silicom card = will not=20 support doublespeed.
I plan to buy a socketcom ea0911-336 = which appears=20 to be the same card as ea0914-337 without the rugged = connector.
Can anyone tell me if this card will = work in the=20 hp200lx and if it will support doublespeed?
 
Thank you very much.
Todd Hartley
------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C23623.9B0FE2A0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:05:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: ethernet cards Comments: To: todd hartley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "todd hartley" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: ethernet cards > I am a new subscriber to this newsgroup and not exactly > sure how to use it. Welcome to the list. The way most people use it is to share information and help each other. I don't have an answer to your question. I just wanted to welcome you. We do have a lot of people using network cards here so I'm sure you'll get some info. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:39:08 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > I was wondering. If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead > of one type > > II would it still be as useful as a tool? > > John, I'd like to suggest that you keep your foot clean and maybe > sprinkled with your favorite spice, since it spends so much time in > your mouth. :) Right now I kan think of a better place for my foot. > > Did you ever notice that one of the favorite topics on this list is > how the LX is still the only really useful PDA? Yes and part of that is a wide variety of type i and type ii which isn't availible in CF format > > Here you are with the PDA that is effectively faster than a > speeding PocketPC, able to leap Palms in a single bound, still has > more and better software available to it than any other PDA, has > the most and the best development software available, is able to > run the largest variety of OSs, has the most useful built in apps, > gets the best battery life, has more screen real estate, can attach > to the largest variety of peripherals, and you wonder if having > another feature might make it somehow useful. Actually trading a feature. And I said AS useful. Reading compehesion problems:)? Compact flash perpheprials are nowhere near as complete as type i and type ii. > > Anyway, to answer your question, yeah! Having 2 CF slots instead > of one PCMCIA slot would make it more useful to some; less to > others. I'd find it more useful, personally. Why would you find it more useful? You couldn't use pcmcia parallel ports or usb ports since none are availible. A compact flash modem would take up both slots so you couldn't use a second card with it. Same with the MD. > > So what about cars? Do you think we could make a car useful with 2 > small trunks instead of one large one? Do you think we could make > wives useful with....well, better not go there. Well its possible two small wives could be more useful that one large one... > > Barry John > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:48:49 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 7/27/02-04:30 PM, John Musielewicz wrote: > >If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one type II would it > >still be as useful as a tool? > > I am not sure. The reason is because at this stage in the life of the > palmtop, so many people acquired the collection of storage, modem and so on > cards that work in the palmtop, and probably a large - maybe most - of the > acquisitions were done before the CF format became very popular, so quite > probably a large portion of the "PCMCIA cards" are ATA, Type I and Type II. One thing is with the event of cardbus more and more 16 bit typei and ii cards are disappearing so in the future it may not matter if we have a 16 bit type ii. We may not be able to get any cards for it once the old ones fail. > I only have a few CF type I storage cards, for digital cameras, and one > Microdrive CF type II. Same here. Plus it seems like I/O cards are lacking in the CF flash format. However it seems like the important ones are availible like ethernet. > > Replacing the ATA format with CF format may mean dumping a lot of cards > that cost a lot of money and getting new ones, in the CF format. True. > > BTW, CF Type I and Type II fit fine in the ATA Type II. > > I am not sure how typical this is really, but maybe people can post what > combination PCMCIA ATA cards and CF cards they have, so it'll give you a > sense for what people have... > > The other consideration might be what are the power requirements of CF > cards now, such as the small modems, etc. I think they are pretty low. For example one CF ethernet card I have seen is rated for only 19 mA at 3.3 V. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:44:47 EDT Reply-To: TCU549@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kat Doyle Subject: Diet program Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I exit Diet, the Menu key does not bring up the menus until I reboot. Is anyone else having this problem? BTW I have been using a SS 4MB palmtop to explore the program. Don't know if I would get the same result using an upgraded DS machine. Kat, who counts carbs, not calories. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:11:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: "Barry" ; Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: Type II or compact flash > Actually trading a feature. And I said AS useful. Reading compehesion > problems:)? Compact flash perpheprials are nowhere near as complete as type > i and type ii. So you did. I misread. I apologize. > > Anyway, to answer your question, yeah! Having 2 CF slots instead > > of one PCMCIA slot would make it more useful to some; less to > > others. I'd find it more useful, personally. > > Why would you find it more useful? You couldn't use pcmcia parallel ports or > usb ports since none are availible. A compact flash modem would take up both > slots so you couldn't use a second card with it. Same with the MD. I have memory cards. One old 10 meg PCMCIA card and a whole lot of various sizes of Compact flash. No problem since I also have adapters but 2 would be nice. I have a 14.4 Megahertz modem and that's the only thing I have other than a memory card. And I've never used that. I got it because it was $9 and you never know when you might use something. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:24:04 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Diet program Comments: To: TCU549@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <71.2305a72d.2a75797f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 28 July 2002 12:44 pm, Kat Doyle wrote: > When I exit Diet, the Menu key does not bring up the > menus until I reboot. Is anyone else having this > problem? > Kat, who counts carbs, not calories. Hi all; Hi Kat, I loaded the software yesterday, to take a look at it and had the SAME experience.... 'Course, I'm setting up my back-up LX and it's a standard 4MB SS model (unmodified). I doubt speed would fix the menu problem. I wonder how it inhibits the menu anyway. I exited the program and started PE, when its menu didn't work, I hit ESC several times and got back to DOS. You're right, only a reboot has gotten the menu back for me (although someone on the list may know of another way. Quick question, as someone who's ABOUT to start counting carbs, have you redone the "calories.doc" to contain carb. info in the "numbers," or are you using it "as is" and ignoring that function? --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:43:24 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <002101c23637$a57059a0$3c0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:06:20 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Hutchins" >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:27 PM >Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > >> I use PB3.2 on the palmtop. FWIW it does a "hello World!" exe >> in 11.248K after turning off as many compiler/linker options >> as I can. My problem with C on the palmtop is finding a >> thoroughly reliable compiler. I must try SPHINX. Power C from >> MIX had some problems here. > >I'm curious what reliabliity problems you're referring to. I've >never had anything I'd call reliabilty problems from any compiler. I've never had reliability problems but I have noticed one quirck that I've had with PB3.5. I wrote a small program to measure battery voltage and when I end the program in System Manager it doesn't go right to the command prompt. I always have to hit enter for it to do so. Works just fine in plain dos without SM loaded. Its an odd little problem. Doesn't seem to hurt anything though- you just have to hit an extra key. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:34:42 EDT Reply-To: TCU549@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kat Doyle Subject: Re: Diet program Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I deleted the calories.doc file and added carb info one item at a time. I tried substituting a text file of carb values that I already had after editing it to conform to the way info was in the original calories.doc, but the program wouldn't read it. I was going to look at the original file in a hex editor to see if the file contained something I wasn't seeing in my text editor, but never got around to it. The program is perfect for my needs. I like the way it accepts input, and the weight chart is nice. If you want, I could send you my calories.doc file containing carb values, to get you started. Kat ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:14 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: OT: Programming languages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1 day 05h31m ago Barry wrote: > The reason C and Pascal are used is because they're very well known > and also because people who write tutorials are often showing off a > little and they want to use a "classy" language. :) But aren't there also things which simply cannot be done using Basic or Pascal, but can using C? Such as very hardware-near programming? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:15 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 22h13m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > I was wondering. If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one = type > II would it still be as useful as a tool? I would say, yes, since the most important types of cards (modm, network, storage) are now available in CF size. Are you deveoping something we should know about? ;-) What I think to be really useful would be something like a PCMCIA-to-CF+PCMCIA adapter, i.e. a PCMCIA port extender in the size of a PCMCIA card, which has an embedded CF card slot. So the CF could be kept inside the LX al the time and a PCMCIA connector would always be available at te side. The PCMCIA card would of course not be _inside_ the LX, but entirely or almost entirely outside, but who cares? Ethernet or Modem cards are used temporarily only anyway, so the don't have to be slipped entirely into the LX's body, IMO. But again, this would mean to handle the 2-PCMCIA-socket problem. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:17 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 08h54m ago Yves Leurquin wrote: > I don't know of a trackpoint but there is a nice trackBALL. The = Thumbelina > is about 4 Square centimeters in surface and is compatible with the = HPLX. Is there a picture available anywhere on the Web? I'd like to see how that Thumberlina looks like. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:18 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 06h25m ago Barry wrote: > I made some assumptions about what is the essential part of your > program and counted 80 bytes. I'm not very sure of the truth of my > assumptions. I think he meant the compiled COM file. > I then pared down the asm to the essentials for debug (where I > wrote it) and got 48 bytes. Put it in A86 and you probably can add > a few bytes. Let's say 10 although less could be used. Put it in > Masm or Tasm and you probably can add an additional 20 bytes., > making a total of 78 bytes. Still beating C-- by 2 bytes unless my > assumptions are wrong about how much you really needed to include > in C--. Well, I think it doesn't matter at all how large a COM file is. All COM files must be smaller than 64 kB, as far as I understood, but since the minimum cluster size on any common hard drive or RAM drive is _larger_ than 64k, every COM file will take up exactly one cluster, no matter how large it is. So the only thing which is really worth optimizing is execution speed, I think. I also heard about a technique to put several COM files into one large one which you can give a paramter to to let it know which of the embedded COM files to execute. Then COM file size would matter again, because you could put more small COMs into one such library. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:20 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 03h19m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > I think they are pretty low. For example one CF ethernet card I have = seen is > rated for only 19 mA at 3.3 V. Oh yes, this may become another problem: The tendency is to build 3.3V cards for power saving, but the palmtop only provides 5V and 12V to PCMCIA cards! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:21 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Diet program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kat 03h25m ago Kat Doyle wrote: > When I exit Diet, the Menu key does not bring up the menus until I = reboot. Is anyone else having this problem? We have seen this in the past with LXPro when exiting LXPro through Esc instead of Ctrl-Tab. Stefan can explain this in detail. Are you sure you haven't used LXPro before the menu keys are failing? > Kat, who counts carbs, not calories. Diabetes? Do you know LXGLUC? http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/lxgluc GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:22 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 1 day 21h17m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > Task switchers are NOT automatic. They are passive facilities. When you > activate them, they pick a task and push it aside. Multitakers are > automatic: they run preferably based on policy, and rules, and the good Ah yes, so this is the essential difference. Thank you for the detailed description! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:31:23 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 1 day 23h18m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > me interested in installing Linux on my system too. I was wondering- = how > difficult would it be to download the linux kernel and source and = install > it- adding specific support for my Libretto as I go along? As it goes = now I > have to install support for my floppy drive in Linux plus pcmcia, video = and > APM. I think the easiest is to download a small distribution, install it and then cut it down to what you really need. The approach you are describing is called "Linux from scratch", do a search for it on the Internet, you'll probably find plenty of info, but it is rather difficult to do, AFAIK. > How well would linux kernal 2.4, I believe, run on a 32 meg 120 MHz > system? Very well. The kernel itself should already run well on a 386. ALl these deamons and GUI things are what really need the processing power and memory. > I am not interested in X windows or anything like that just a > command line system. Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as = Minix's > microkernel? Vertainly not. But you should be able to compile a kernel which needs about 1 MB of RAM of your 32MB. FYI, you can find Linux boot diskettes with 2.4 kernel on http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/bootdisks They may be a start to see how large a kernel is and maybe you can even install a bare kernel from them, I don't know. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:41:30 -0400 Reply-To: David Firth Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Firth Subject: Re: OT: Programming languages In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit New to the list and jumping in already... >> The reason C and Pascal are used is because they're very well known >> and also because people who write tutorials are often showing off a >> little and they want to use a "classy" language. :) Well, showing off has nothing to do with it. Back in DOS' heydey, BASIC was a poor choice for midsize to large projects mostly due to the popular variants being (1) interpreted rather than compiled and (2) insulators of the machine from the user. There were things that you just couldn't easily or practically do with most BASICs and didn't want to go through the pain of assembler. C and Pascal were the most often used alternatives. I play with C a little. Turbo Pascal was and is my main DOS language. Been using it since 1983 (v2.0) and continued to use it personally and professionally through v3.0, v5.5, v6.0, and v7.0. On the LX series, I use v3.0 most often but v5.5 is still my main production version. The main reasons I would use it for any programming example is that it is easy to follow and balances speed/power with Pascal's inherent requirement for relatively good structured style. It is easier to get oneself into trouble in C, especially when beginners are at the wheel. BASICs are approachable and useful, especially newer variants. I use BASIC on my old Tandy 102, but stick to Pascal on the LX. > But aren't there also things which simply cannot be done using Basic or > Pascal, but can using C? Such as very hardware-near programming? Yes and no. For Borland's Pascals, there really isn't anything you can do in C that you can't do in Pascal. For other brands, yes, you are correct. Pascal's commercial success in the 80s and early 90s was due to Borland's extending the language far beyond Wirth's original specifications. A minimal Pascal using the Wirth spec would be useful only as an academic tool. Programming language choice is largely one of personal preference mixed with a little dose of 'right tool for the job.' I have no interest in a religious argument over which compiler is the 'best.' If you are looking for a good compiler for the LX, consider Turbo Pascal. Showing off is optional ;) As I mentioned, I have 19 years experience with Turbo Pascal in personal and professional settings (largest project 37,000 lines of data acquisition system). I'm happy to share tips, tricks, and code with other interested LX users. -- David Firth djfirth@earthlink.net djfirth@mindspring.com (main) HP 100LX: all those old DOS apps in your pocket. What's not to like? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:15:39 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Well, I think it doesn't matter at all how large a COM file is. All COM files must be smaller than 64 kB, as far as I understood, but since the minimum cluster size on any common hard drive or RAM drive is _larger_ than 64k, every COM file will take up exactly one cluster, no matter how large it is. So the only thing which is really worth optimizing is execution speed, I think. Of course you're correct, but there's a question of pride. Regardless of cluster size programs must be small as possible because that makes you feel good. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:21:21 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > All COM files must be smaller than 64 kB, as far as I understood, but > since the minimum cluster size on any common hard drive or RAM drive is > _larger_ than 64k, every COM file will take up exactly one cluster, no > matter how large it is. In DOS the cluster size can vary from 2k for a 128M disk UP TO 32k for a 4G disk. Did you confuse MINimum with MAXimum? Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:33:29 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: OT: Programming languages Comments: To: David Firth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Firth" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OT: Programming languages > New to the list and jumping in already... > > >> The reason C and Pascal are used is because they're very well known > >> and also because people who write tutorials are often showing off a > >> little and they want to use a "classy" language. :) > > Well, showing off has nothing to do with it. Back in DOS' heydey, BASIC was > a poor choice for midsize to large projects mostly due to the popular > variants being (1) interpreted rather than compiled and (2) insulators of > the machine from the user. There were things that you just couldn't easily > or practically do with most BASICs and didn't want to go through the pain of > assembler. C and Pascal were the most often used alternatives. I play with C > a little. Turbo Pascal was and is my main DOS language. Been using it since > 1983 (v2.0) and continued to use it personally and professionally through > v3.0, v5.5, v6.0, and v7.0. On the LX series, I use v3.0 most often but v5.5 > is still my main production version. The main reasons I would use it for any > programming example is that it is easy to follow and balances speed/power > with Pascal's inherent requirement for relatively good structured style. It > is easier to get oneself into trouble in C, especially when beginners are at > the wheel. BASICs are approachable and useful, especially newer variants. I > use BASIC on my old Tandy 102, but stick to Pascal on the LX. I was replying to his statement that C and Pascal are used to teach algorithms. I wasn't talking about the languages in general above. > Programming language choice is largely one of personal preference mixed with > a little dose of 'right tool for the job.' I have no interest in a religious > argument over which compiler is the 'best.' If you are looking for a good > compiler for the LX, consider Turbo Pascal. Showing off is optional ;) That's exactly what I was talking about. What started this was someone's "religious" objection to Basic in a unix-like environment. I don't buy that. Pretty much for the reasons you state. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:28:09 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry wrote: > > main () > > { > > WRITESTR("Hello World!\n"); > > } > > I made some assumptions about what is the essential part of your > program and counted 80 bytes. I'm not very sure of the truth of my > assumptions. I didn't count the source code size, but the size of the executable. And I'm almost sure that only ASM can beat C-- concerning run file size. Or do you know of any other language than ASM or C-- which can produce the Hello world program in less than 50 bytes? Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:31:49 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: dos progs exiting to sysmanager (was: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so. Works just fine in plain dos without SM loaded. Its an odd little > problem. Doesn't seem to hurt anything though- you just have to hit an > extra key. that sounds like a system manager thing. You have to add some weird = backwards question mark character to the description field to exit back = to sysman. Try adding another program to sysman and see if it exits = right.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:31:49 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: OT: Linux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look for zipslack. It's slackware's version designed to run from a zip = disk (<100mb) and has no gui but=20 is pretty complete otherwise. I ran it on a lib 50 a few years ago and = it worked great.. PCMCIA support, et cetera There's also a version called finnix that boots froma cdrom and creates = RAM disks for itself to run. > > me interested in installing Linux on my system too. I was wondering- = how > > difficult would it be to download the linux kernel and source=20 > and install > > it- adding specific support for my Libretto as I go along? As=20 > it goes now I ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:31:22 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Peichl" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Barry wrote: > > main () > > { > > WRITESTR("Hello World!\n"); > > } > > I made some assumptions about what is the essential part of your > program and counted 80 bytes. I'm not very sure of the truth of my > assumptions. >I didn't count the source code size, but the size of the >executable. And I'm almost sure that only ASM can beat >C-- concerning run file size. Or do you know of any other >language than ASM or C-- which can produce the Hello world >program in less than 50 bytes? I realized that when someone else mentioned it. I don't know what I was thinking of. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:41:04 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does your Linux kernel have paride support in? If it does I can use it for installing a distribution. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:45:26 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe the same card will provide good life at 5 volts too. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:55:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Hi John 22h13m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > I was wondering. If the LX had just a couple of CF slots instead of one type > II would it still be as useful as a tool? No Nice idea. I don't think thats much of a problem except socket services won't handle 2 sockets. You'd need to copy the one from the 700LX. We really need a new c&ss driver on the 200LX- one that handles 2 sockets and partitioned cards. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:37:31 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <001901c23656$c5e67f60$d9fbf7a5@libretto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/28/02-11:48 AM, John Musielewicz wrote: >One thing is with the event of cardbus more and more 16 bit typei and ii >cards are disappearing so in the future it may not matter if we have a 16 >bit type ii. We may not be able to get any cards for it once the old ones >fail. Someone (and you!) can correct me, but I think the concept of 16 bit is not applicable for PCMCIA ATA and CF cards, it has no meaning in the context of cards. >Same here. Plus it seems like I/O cards are lacking in the CF flash format. >However it seems like the important ones are availible like ethernet. Sorry, but I don't know what you mean exactly, let me try: 1. You mean there are few storage cards in the CF format? Oh, I am not so sure if this is what you meant, because I see CF cards (usually Type I 3.3mm thick) in capacities from 8MB (usually come with cameras) all the way to 850MB - flash. CF Type II (5mm) IBM has three sizes (380MB to 1GB) in that category, and Sandisk has some large storage CFs in Type II. But then maybe you mean something else: 2. Combination cards such as modem + storage? Indde I agree, I have not seen these at all. But don't let me outguess you. The general low power requirements of CF cards is the result of the development of these cards much later than the ATA cards - the engineers thankfully did not just sit on their thumbs! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:14:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: dos progs exiting to sysmanager (was: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:31:49 -0400, you wrote: >so. Works just fine in plain dos without SM loaded. Its an odd little >> problem. Doesn't seem to hurt anything though- you just have to hit an >> extra key. > >that sounds like a system manager thing. You have to add some weird = backwards question mark character to the description field to exit back = to sysman. Try adding another program to sysman and see if it exits = right.=20 Thanks for the tip. I tried that and it didn't matter. Actually I gave the wrong info. Its at the start of the program not the end. You start it and it just shows a blank screen like its paused until you press a key and then the program starts. it exits fine John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020728192841.00a2dae0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:37:31 -0500, you wrote: >At 7/28/02-11:48 AM, John Musielewicz wrote: >>One thing is with the event of cardbus more and more 16 bit typei and = ii >>cards are disappearing so in the future it may not matter if we have a = 16 >>bit type ii. We may not be able to get any cards for it once the old = ones >>fail. > >Someone (and you!) can correct me, but I think the concept of 16 bit is = not >applicable for PCMCIA ATA and CF cards, it has no meaning in the context= of >cards. Hmmm..that all depends on the hardware in the ATA card. The controller just reads and writes from and to an address but there's no guarentee future controllers will understand 16 bit instructions. > >>Same here. Plus it seems like I/O cards are lacking in the CF flash = format. >>However it seems like the important ones are availible like ethernet. > >Sorry, but I don't know what you mean exactly, let me try: > >1. You mean there are few storage cards in the CF format? Oh, I am not = so >sure if this is what you meant, because I see CF cards (usually Type I >3.3mm thick) in capacities from 8MB (usually come with cameras) all the = way >to 850MB - flash. CF Type II (5mm) IBM has three sizes (380MB to 1GB) in >that category, and Sandisk has some large storage CFs in Type II. No > >But then maybe you mean something else: > >2. Combination cards such as modem + storage? Indde I agree, I have not >seen these at all. Yes > >But don't let me outguess you. Cards like parallel, serial, usb.=20 > >The general low power requirements of CF cards is the result of the >development of these cards much later than the ATA cards - the engineers >thankfully did not just sit on their thumbs! Its interesting but when I was checking the specs of CF storage cards they were rated almost the same as their Type II flash brothers. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:17:03 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: dos progs exiting to sysmanager (was: Networking and PPP on,with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <9h59ku8iijoiu6egbdf5puror1feka21tf@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 01h03m ago, on 2002-07-28, John Musielewicz wrote: > Its at the start of the program not the end. You start it > and it just shows a blank screen like its paused until you > press a key and then the program starts. it exits fine Same here with PB3.2. But PB2.10h is OK. I never figured it out. It's as if we are running from a .BAT file that starts with a PAUSE. I used this to advantage in interfacing CLOCKS.EXE with Sysman, as I didn't need a PAUSE for "pushkeys" to work :) I hardly ever run PB compiled programs from Sysmanager - but that "pause" can be overcome by using a 2 line .bat with the first line a "pushkeys enter.mac" where enter.mac is a saved Sysman macro file with source content #22#{Enter}, and the second line launches the app. pushkeys then provides the initial "Enter" that the app seems to require. I used to use 2.10h - but 3.2 is much more useful. Really big apps can be compiled with more than one 64K segment. And the 3.2 compiler even makes use of EMS on the palmtop. Another interesting case is starting a PB3.2 compiled app when the palmtop screen is in graphics mode. This seems to require compilation with CGA graphics support, even if text-mode only is used. I always wondered why some apps hung in my POST/LX offline.bat, where lxstat shows graphics mode. Barry asked what I meant by "reliabilty" when I mentioned the MIX Power C compiler. I don't know what I was thinking - it's the wrong word really. But I wrote a little "wumpus" like program in C - on the palmtop I could not control where the cursor appeared in a prompt for input. It worked fine on the desktop. The same .EXE always seemed to put the cursor one line further down the screen on the palmtop. I never solved that - a sort of hidden extra "Enter". Must have another look at that one day. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:22:44 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Diet program In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 28 July 2002 04:31 pm, Daniel wrote: > > Are you sure you haven't used LXPro > before the menu keys are failing? Hi Daniel... (and everyone). I've tried the program from a clean boot and don't know why the menu abilities of ANY program are disabled..... I'm willing to send any config.xxx or registry or stack dump to anyone willing to tell me how to give them what they want to diagnose this. Menus just stop working. Dunno why. --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:59:52 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 08h36m ago Barry wrote: > Of course you're correct, but there's a question of pride. > Regardless of cluster size programs must be small as possible > because that makes you feel good. Oh, yes, of course! ;-) I forgot. But it's true. I wrote a small C program at work under DOS (Turbo C 2.0), which was originally abt. 30kB compiled, and which should run under Windows NT4 and Windows 2000. I shrank it using lzexe to about 15 kB and felt gooood! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:46:34 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? Comments: To: Yves Leurquin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm.....sounds good, do you have any links or info on it????? Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Yves Leurquin To: Sent: 28 July 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? > my next 'project' is to get a trackpoint type device to work on the lx. I don't know of a trackpoint but there is a nice trackBALL. The Thumbelina is about 4 Square centimeters in surface and is compatible with the HPLX. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:07:52 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: The 5K competition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After all the discussion about programming languages and resulting file sizes I came across an interesting web page: http://www.the5k.org This is an annual competition of small programs/webpages with less than 5K. Anything goes. There is even a full functional web browser in less than 5K. Probably some of the contributions will run on the Palmtop. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:28:38 +0200 Reply-To: Josef Meyer Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Josef Meyer Subject: Re: ethernet cards Comments: To: todd hartley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit todd hartley wrote: > I am a new subscriber to this newsgroup and not exactly sure how to > use it. Welcome to the list! > I plan to buy a socketcom ea0911-336 which appears to be the same card > as ea0914-337 without the rugged connector. Can anyone tell me if > this card will work in the hp200lx and if it will support doublespeed? I use a DS 6MB Palmtop with the Socketcom CF Ethernet card, with the rugged connector. I believe this is the card you are referring to (I purchaed it end '99). It works with my HPLX. This card has a very low power consumption. Regards / Josef ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:46:00 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500, Hal Goldstein wrote: > We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case basis often > giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness goes both > way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with palmtops with > a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might choose not to > honor the warranty. > I think it is unreasonable to expect the Thaddeus warranty to cover ANY damage or defect that is related in any way to non-Thaddeus modifications made on a 200LX. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:46:03 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:23:36 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > For the modification to damage the palmtop the entire circuit, > including the batteries, would have to short which is pretty near > impossible .... But, to install the modification the 200LX must be opened, which _could_ cause other damage, such as broken leads or connectors. Would you then expect Thaddeus to repair such damage under their warranty? I think that would be unreasonable. If you were Thaddeus would you cover damage to a system that was modified by someone else? Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:58:34 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Hi Barry 08h36m ago Barry wrote: >> Of course you're correct, but there's a question of pride. >> Regardless of cluster size programs must be small as possible >> because that makes you feel good. > > Oh, yes, of course! ;-) > I forgot. But it's true. I wrote a small C program at work under DOS > (Turbo C 2.0), which was originally abt. 30kB compiled, and which > should run under Windows NT4 and Windows 2000. I shrank it using > lzexe to about 15 kB and felt gooood! Exactly. I use PKLite even on the occasional small program I write for my desktop, with it's 40 gig drive space. Years ago I read the autobiography of the sculptor Malvina Hoffman, who studied under Rodin. She said that she was careless cleaning up the bottom of the base of the piece she was working on and Rodin scolded her. She asked what difference it makes since nobody can see it and his answer, she said, was that the angels can see it. Well, I don't believe in angels and if there are some I don't want them poking around my hard drive. But just in case, I want that executable as small as possible. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:01:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500, Hal Goldstein wrote: > > > We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case basis often > > giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness goes both > > way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with palmtops with > > a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might choose not to > > honor the warranty. > > > > I think it is unreasonable to expect the Thaddeus warranty to > cover ANY damage or defect that is related in any way to > non-Thaddeus modifications made on a 200LX. I agree! But still, it's nice to know you're doing business with the kind of people who will do that. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:27:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: The 5K competition Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Peichl" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: The 5K competition > After all the discussion about programming languages and > resulting file sizes I came across an interesting web page: > > http://www.the5k.org > > This is an annual competition of small programs/webpages with > less than 5K. Anything goes. There is even a full functional > web browser in less than 5K. > > Probably some of the contributions will run on the Palmtop. That's an interesting site and a great idea. But it's about websites, not programs as we usually think of them. No stand-alone programs. A contest like that of small programs would be fun. I think there was once a contest for demos of 256 bytes or less. Maybe we should have something like that for the palmtop. Probably 256 bytes is too small since nothing but assembly could compete. Unless an interpreted basic was used. Or an interpreted C like Quincy. I think I've seen an interpretted Pascal somewhere, too. Or Forth, which uses a threaded interpreter. And not count the size of the interpretter. That would give the advantage to basic and Forth and Quincy, I think. Which might be fair. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:36:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: The 5K competition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There was a contest in 1995 for writing games of 4KB or less. There is an car racing program called "Cityrunner" from that. IIRC, it didn't work well on my Poqet, but I haven't tried it on the LX. -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@FBTC.NET] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:27 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: The 5K competition ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Peichl" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: The 5K competition > After all the discussion about programming languages and > resulting file sizes I came across an interesting web page: > > http://www.the5k.org > > This is an annual competition of small programs/webpages with > less than 5K. Anything goes. There is even a full functional > web browser in less than 5K. > > Probably some of the contributions will run on the Palmtop. That's an interesting site and a great idea. But it's about websites, not programs as we usually think of them. No stand-alone programs. A contest like that of small programs would be fun. I think there was once a contest for demos of 256 bytes or less. Maybe we should have something like that for the palmtop. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: The 5K competition Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: Re: The 5K competition > There was a contest in 1995 for writing games of 4KB or less. There is an > car racing program called "Cityrunner" from that. IIRC, it didn't work well > on my Poqet, but I haven't tried it on the LX. Wasn't there someone on this list that got involved in writing the shortest possible starfield scene? I think it ended up as 80 bytes or some such. Anybody remember that? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:57:08 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: The 5K competition Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yup, I remember that, there was also a fire sim at about 5k. I whish some of there programmers worked at microshaft, when is winbloat2003 out again???? ;-) Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Sent: 29 July 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: The 5K competition ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: Re: The 5K competition > There was a contest in 1995 for writing games of 4KB or less. There is an > car racing program called "Cityrunner" from that. IIRC, it didn't work well > on my Poqet, but I haven't tried it on the LX. Wasn't there someone on this list that got involved in writing the shortest possible starfield scene? I think it ended up as 80 bytes or some such. Anybody remember that? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:34:27 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: The 5K competition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit before anyone asks, I am sober..........whish???..there??? sheesh........... better hit the spellcheck button next time, Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerwin Robertson To: Sent: 29 July 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: The 5K competition yup, I remember that, there was also a fire sim at about 5k. I whish some of there programmers worked at microshaft, when is winbloat2003 out again???? ;-) Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Sent: 29 July 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: The 5K competition ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: Re: The 5K competition > There was a contest in 1995 for writing games of 4KB or less. There is an > car racing program called "Cityrunner" from that. IIRC, it didn't work well > on my Poqet, but I haven't tried it on the LX. Wasn't there someone on this list that got involved in writing the shortest possible starfield scene? I think it ended up as 80 bytes or some such. Anybody remember that? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:32 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ 11h45m ago Russel Brooks wrote: > In DOS the cluster size can vary from 2k for a 128M disk UP TO > 32k for a 4G disk. Did you confuse MINimum with MAXimum? oops... ;-) No, not minimum with maximum, but I mixed up the dimensions. Yesterday, I learned for today's exam in broadband networks, read everything about Gigabit per second and so on. Maybe this made me think DOS cluster sizes are always larger than 64k. Sorry for the confusion. So, COM binaries are mostly, but not always as large to fill up a cluster. But all these nice Stefan-Peichl-Utilities (except the more complex ones like LXPRO or LXPIC) need less than a cluster and thus - sorry Stefan ;-) - waste disk space. Why didn't you write your utilities with C or Basic?? Let's philisophize a bit on _wasting_ and _needing_ disk space! ;-) (the above was a JOKE, please note the smiley) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:34 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 09h37m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Does your Linux kernel have paride support in? If it does I can use it = for > installing a distribution. These boot disks are from the SuS distribution, and thus have a menu-driven module selection for several possible installation devices. I don't know if paride is one of them, I fear it's not, but you can simply try it. Boot the boot diskette, if you can choose paride, you probably need the modules disk, too, to load the module. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:36 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 09h35m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Maybe the same card will provide good life at 5 volts too. I think that's dangerous. The PCMCIA standard specifies even different connector keys for 3.3V and 5V cards, so you cannot plug a 3.3V card into a 5V slot. You had to remove this key (the plastic guides at the sides near the connector) to make it fit. It _may_ work for some cards, depending on their hardware design, but sensitive cards will probably explode. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:06:02 -0700 Reply-To: Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Longden Loo Subject: Spanish/English translations recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going on a cruise to Mexico with my wife in about three weeks and thought it'd be handy to have a Spanish/English translator on hand. Does anyone have a recommendation for a translation program on the LX? Something that can do phrases (ala Babelfish) would be wonderful, but I'd settle for a simple word translation dictionary that will fit on my 220mb card (170mb still free). Thaddeus offers a mutli-language dictionary for $36 or so, but the web description is broken. I'd like to compare that against other popular LX-compatible competitors. If anyone has tried them and can offer some feedback, I'd appreciate it. Trip's around the corner, so a quick purchasing decision is in order. Thanks for any speedy responses! - Longden ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:18:13 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OT: Linux In-Reply-To: <002701c2356f$41d7d120$1cfbf7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as Minix's > > > microkernel? > > > > First, Minix is not a microkernel, it's still a monolithic kernel, > > albeit a small one. (a microkernel is a different concept). > > Hmm..Richard Tannenbaum(?) His first name is Andrew, not Richard ;) If you ever get interested in systems (distributed systems, design of OSes, networks, etc), you'll surely read some of his excellent books. > the guy who originally wrote it calls it a > microkernel. I don't know if it is or not I am not familar enough will OS'es > to identify one. Why isn't it a microkernel? Is it because it contains the > drivers in the kernel? First, I don't really know if Minix is a microkernel or not. I know that Andy has written (not alone) a real microkernel based OS, named Amoeba. I also know that Andy and Linus have had some words about the fact that Linus choosed to write a monolithic kernel whereas Andy would have prefered to see a microkernel. If you can find this thread (it's still available somewhere on the Net), take the time to read it. Now, since I haven't read the source of Minix, I don't know if Andy developed Minix as a microkernel. I just doubt he did it for Minix. A microkernel should be composed of modules talking with each others by messages. At the extreme, the real kernel's job is only passing messages from one module to another, possibly on another machine (that is, creating a distributed OS). Another distinction between the monolithic way and the microkernel way is that some functions tend to be running in userspace instead of kernelspace (that is, with user privileges, instead of kernel privileges). You can find hardware drivers, filesystems implementations, security system, scheduling routines, etc in userspace land. > > Next, a carefully optimized Linux kernel will consume about 2M of your > > memory, at large. > > Wow- 2 Meg. Still better than windows which consumes about 4 meg. Which Windows does eat only 4M? -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:40:41 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:23:36 -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > > > For the modification to damage the palmtop the entire circuit, > > including the batteries, would have to short which is pretty near > > impossible .... > > But, to install the modification the 200LX must be opened, > which _could_ cause other damage, such as broken leads or > connectors. Would you then expect Thaddeus to repair such > damage under their warranty? I think that would be > unreasonable. If you were Thaddeus would you cover damage to a > system that was modified by someone else? > > Vic Roberts I don't expect Thaddeus to do anything. Where in my message did I say "Thaddeus will cover the palmtop under their warrenty"? Can't you read? John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:56:06 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500, Hal Goldstein wrote: > > > We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case basis often > > giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness goes both > > way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with palmtops with > > a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might choose not to > > honor the warranty. > > > > I think it is unreasonable to expect the Thaddeus warranty to > cover ANY damage or defect that is related in any way to > non-Thaddeus modifications made on a 200LX. > > Vic Roberts When my palmtop was covered under Thaddeus warrenty the warrenty encouraged opening and modification of the palmtop. This, I assume, was to encourage palmtop development. Why should they change their policy now? The palmtop still needs as much development as ever. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Type II or compact flash Hi John 09h35m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Maybe the same card will provide good life at 5 volts too. I mean for dual 3.3 -5 volt cards. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:30:09 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest survey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Roberts" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and > interest survey > > > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0500, Hal Goldstein > wrote: > > > > > We are flexible -- we try to do what is fair on a case by case > basis often > > > giving the customer the benefit of the doubt. However fairness > goes both > > > way. If there is significant increase in warranty claims with > palmtops with > > > a specific 3rd party modification, then we certainly might > choose not to > > > honor the warranty. > > > > > > > I think it is unreasonable to expect the Thaddeus warranty to > > cover ANY damage or defect that is related in any way to > > non-Thaddeus modifications made on a 200LX. > > I agree! But still, it's nice to know you're doing business with > the kind of people who will do that. > Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy stuff from them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If they change them they will be less attractive as a distributer since their prices are rather high. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:48:46 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:18:13 +0200, you wrote: >On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >> > > Will the monolithic kernel use as little ram as Minix's >> > > microkernel? >> > >> > First, Minix is not a microkernel, it's still a monolithic kernel, >> > albeit a small one. (a microkernel is a different concept). >> >> Hmm..Richard Tannenbaum(?) > >His first name is Andrew, not Richard ;) If you ever get interested in >systems (distributed systems, design of OSes, networks, etc), you'll >surely read some of his excellent books. I stand corrected. > >> the guy who originally wrote it calls it a >> microkernel. I don't know if it is or not I am not familar enough will= OS'es >> to identify one. Why isn't it a microkernel? Is it because it contains= the >> drivers in the kernel? > >First, I don't really know if Minix is a microkernel or not. I know that >Andy has written (not alone) a real microkernel based OS, named Amoeba. = I >also know that Andy and Linus have had some words about the fact that >Linus choosed to write a monolithic kernel whereas Andy would have >prefered to see a microkernel. If you can find this thread (it's still >available somewhere on the Net), take the time to read it. >Now, since I haven't read the source of Minix, I don't know if Andy >developed Minix as a microkernel. I just doubt he did it for Minix. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3Dtorvalds+tannenbaum&start=3D10&hl=3De= n&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&selm=3DCKACpE.E1x%40whome.uucp&rnum=3D17 Here's a post of a message between Andy and Linus. In it Andy Tannenbaum calls Minix a microkernel design. He says the only reason drivers are embedded in the kernel is because of the x86 cpu. > >A microkernel should be composed of modules talking with each others by >messages. At the extreme, the real kernel's job is only passing messages >from one module to another, possibly on another machine (that is, = creating >a distributed OS). Another distinction between the monolithic way and = the >microkernel way is that some functions tend to be running in userspace >instead of kernelspace (that is, with user privileges, instead of kernel >privileges). You can find hardware drivers, filesystems implementations, >security system, scheduling routines, etc in userspace land. > >> > Next, a carefully optimized Linux kernel will consume about 2M of = your >> > memory, at large. >> >> Wow- 2 Meg. Still better than windows which consumes about 4 meg. > >Which Windows does eat only 4M? 98. That's according the the system resources under device manager. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:31:59 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: The 5K competition, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kerwin Robertson wrote: > yup, I remember that, > there was also a fire sim at about 5k. FIRE.COM was not 5k, but only 370 bytes. It was my contribution to demonstrate the power of C--. Everybody who has not seen this astonishing fire simulation should have a look at it, you will not regret it. The C-- source code is included. At the beginning of the source code is a small help text of the supported keys and their effects. The other one was STARS.COM, a star field simulation like the Windows screen saver. It has 555 bytes and comes also with the C-- source code. But I prefer FIRE.COM. Both are on SUPER and on my homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/fire.zip http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/stars.zip Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:03:27 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: The 5K competition, Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, I sit corrected, this is all taking me back to my ZX81 days, 1k to play with........ If you haven't seen the fire simulator please give it a go, it is very good,all it needs is a few crackles from the speaker now and again ;-) is there an aquarium simulator anywhere???? and can anyone remind me of the key combinations for changing the colour palette of the screen??? many thanks, Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Peichl To: Sent: 30 July 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: The 5K competition, Kerwin Robertson wrote: > yup, I remember that, > there was also a fire sim at about 5k. FIRE.COM was not 5k, but only 370 bytes. It was my contribution to demonstrate the power of C--. Everybody who has not seen this astonishing fire simulation should have a look at it, you will not regret it. The C-- source code is included. At the beginning of the source code is a small help text of the supported keys and their effects. The other one was STARS.COM, a star field simulation like the Windows screen saver. It has 555 bytes and comes also with the C-- source code. But I prefer FIRE.COM. Both are on SUPER and on my homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/fire.zip http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/stars.zip Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:44:27 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Erwann ABALEA writes: > > Assembly is very often not an option, when the desired code needs to be > portable. C is a better language for this, if used by a good programmer. But portable programming is a convenience for the programmer not for the user! Personally I think that a good c programmer should be mildly familiar with assembly in order to understand what is going on behind the statements. It helps greatly in crating efficient code. (something very underemphasised nowadays). I write in C and C++ and occasionally do some tweaking in assembler. I find that each has its place. I would not want to write CAD/CAM software in assembler! -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:23:34 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Barry writes: > > Complex algorithms are easier to code in C. But they can be coded > in assembly just fine. You're right that the temptation in > assembly is often to use simpler algorithms. But it's only > temptation, not necessity. > > I just don't want to see people who don't know assembly to get the > impression that you can't do certain things in it. You probably > wouldn't, but you ALWAYS can. > > The truth is that, ignoring development time, you can do anything > in assembly that you can do in C. The reverse is nearly true, too. > But assembly can do a few things C can't do. And certain things > are much, much easier in assembly. Writing small ISR's for example. Ignoring developmant time, you could develop an operating system in machine code - only wimps use assemblers (VBG). -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:54:21 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: The 5K competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barry wrote: > A contest like that of small programs would be fun. I think there > was once a contest for demos of 256 bytes or less. Maybe we should > have something like that for the palmtop. http://www.256b.com/ Though most (all) are VGA. None the less amazing programs. Program up "Tube" or "Omena" in a HHL! Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:06:16 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Made the mistake of saying, "How hard could writing one of those be?" After answering that over the last few days, I wonder if anyone has thought of using Mind Maps to outline or flowchart a program design? Using *.BMP files negates the requirement to write the compression code of a PCX picture. Would that affect the usability for anybody? Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:24:41 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: 200LX clock accuracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, I've run my test of 200LX clock accuracy for one week so far, here's what I've found. main double speed (32M) gained 4 seconds bckup double speed (32M) gained 7 seconds stock single speed (2M) gained 14 seconds The double speed units are both running Mack's spd31.exe, v 1.7. My main unit (+4 seconds) has been on its AC adapter for about 50 hours of that week, otherwise on batteries. The other two units have been on batteries the entire time. All CR2302 backups show OK in Setup. I'm going to keep this running for a while longer to evaluate whether the clock gains are sytematic. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:50:18 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: The 5K competition, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 02h46m ago Kerwin Robertson wrote: > and can anyone remind me of the key combinations for > changing the colour palette of the screen??? On-* -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:55:36 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: davidb@netmedia.net.il In-Reply-To: <200206300844.PNR02772@netmedia.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/30/02-01:44 AM, David Becher wrote: >Personally I think that a good c programmer should be mildly familiar with >assembly in order to understand what is going on behind the statements. It >helps greatly in crating efficient code. (something very underemphasised >nowadays). You have included a typo in the paragraph above which is very fortunate, IMHO! It opens the paragraph to a great truth: the sentence can now be read as "it (familiarity with assembly) helps in CREATING efficient code" or, equally true and true and important "it helps in CRAFTING efficient code." Both verbs fit, but also both of them should be employed in programming ad are not anymore in the era of fast programming and "damned the correctness of the code! Just deliver the program..." Andreas and I discussed many times that what seems to be miraculous code is merely his creativity AND craft in programming. He too writes in C and adds assembler where it makes sense. >I would not want to write CAD/CAM software in assembler! Yeah, but you always dreamed about doing it because the code is tight, it runs incredibly faster than anything you can write in C, and the size differential is huge. But maintenance - oh boy! That is one tricky thing. Waaaay back in the younger days, I could have written the code in COBOL to read the raw tape which came from the Honeywll mainframes and recorded in BCD format, then translate it by clever manipulations of the bits and bytes into EBCDIC and write out a new tape. Infact I did. And it worked. But it took more time than we had each night. We needed about three nights' worth of time, but only had a narrow window of about 3 hours. So I resorted to Assembler. In the time it took to translate ONE tape using the COBOL program, we managed all 22-25 tapes of the master file (I know, old days, old terms...) using the assembler program. We blessed ourselves that the programmer was very gifted and the program required one single fix after it started working. Maintenance was hell even for that one item, while the COBOL program was understandable even to my boss who had not written a line of code in YEARS! So there is a trade-off and there is a proper place for each language. It is like a toolbox: I can do many things with a screwdriver, but in many cases some of the tasks are so much easier with a pair of pliers, or a hammer... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:15:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unfortunately, it's a really small image, but clear enough. The original full-sized image is gone but Google still has this thumbnail of it. (you might have to paste the URL back together if it has wrapped) http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:u1MOBXalscoC:www.jan.wvu.edu/media/Thu mbelina.gif Alan Striegel >From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] >Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 4:31 PM >... >Is there a picture available anywhere on the Web? I'd like to see how >that Thumberlina looks like. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:17:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx???????? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Better yet: http://www.handy.no/hardware/mus/thumbelina.jpg Alan Striegel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:42:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: davidb@netmedia.net.il MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Becher" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > Ignoring developmant time, you could develop an operating system in > machine code - only wimps use assemblers (VBG). The first few years of programming mainframes everything was card entry and the output was paper. I turned in my deck of cards to be run overnight and the next morning I either got the listing and the results, or, if it failed, the listing and a core dump in hex. That was my only debugging tool. I got pretty good at reading the machine code to try to figure out where things went wrong. At one point I found a bug in Cobol's write to tape routine and I figured out the patch for it in machine code. That's as close as I've ever come to actually writing machine code. My boss was formerly at RCA and headed the project to write the OS on the RCA Spectra-70, one of the computers we had. It was the first system with true virtual memory with swapping and paging, etc. He had a way of making us feel kind of wimpy if anything got too low level for us. By the way, for those youngsters who don't know, that sort of thing is called systems programming today. But back then I don't think the term existed. It was reffered to as physical level programming. Anybody remember that term? I haven't heard it in years. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:04:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: The 5K competition Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:54 AM Subject: Re: The 5K competition > Barry wrote: > > > A contest like that of small programs would be fun. I think there > > was once a contest for demos of 256 bytes or less. Maybe we should > > have something like that for the palmtop. > > http://www.256b.com/ > > Though most (all) are VGA. None the less amazing programs. > Program up "Tube" or "Omena" in a HHL! Thanks for that link. I've always loved the idea of doing so much with so little. Some of these are really imaginative. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:19:07 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > Hi all, > > Made the mistake of saying, "How hard could writing one > of those be?" After answering that over the last few days, > I wonder if anyone has thought of using Mind Maps to outline > or flowchart a program design? > > Using *.BMP files negates the requirement to write the > compression code of a PCX picture. Would that affect the > usability for anybody? If you're referring to my program, it's very easy to write. It's the program I always write on a new system or in a new language so I'll have something non-trivial to do that doesn't present any real problems of it's own, since it's easy and I've done it before. That lets me focus on the new thing I'm learning. I wrote a pcx loader and saver for the 95lx. I found that code and I'm going to look at changing it for CGA. However, if you want to, go right ahead. BMP would be easy, also but I like the idea of compression and I think more programs, especially older ones, will work with PCX than BMP. And the compression in PCX is simple run length compression for each line. It's not difficult. As I remember it RLL is particularly effective for 2 colors. I'm not sure about 4 colors. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:28:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] > Waaaay back in the younger days, I could have written the code in COBOL to > read the raw tape which came from the Honeywll mainframes and recorded in > BCD format, then translate it by clever manipulations of the bits and bytes > into EBCDIC and write out a new tape. Infact I did. And it worked. But it > took more time than we had each night. We needed about three nights' worth > of time, but only had a narrow window of about 3 hours. So I resorted to > Assembler. In the time it took to translate ONE tape using the COBOL > program, we managed all 22-25 tapes of the master file (I know, old days, > old terms...) using the assembler program. I'm surprised at that difference. Did you use a better algorithm in ASM? Since that would be mostly I/O bound and conversion to EBCDIC is fairly simple, I wouldn't expect ASM alone to be that much help. Or was there more to it? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:39:22 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <003401c237e6$474f99c0$740d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/30/02-11:28 AM, Barry wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Avi Meshar" >> [...] >> >>We needed about three nights' worth of time, but only had a narrow window >>of about 3 hours. So I resorted to Assembler. In the time it took to >>translate ONE tape using the COBOL program, we managed all 22-25 tapes of >>the master file (I know, old days, old terms...) using the assembler program. > >I'm surprised at that difference. Did you use a better algorithm >in ASM? Not better, but different. I ASM I could load up registers and shift them back and forth to grab my characters. These are fast instructions. In COBOL I had to load the bytes into variables and manipulate the variables arithmetically to extract the characters. It was like shifting storage instead of registers. >Since that would be mostly I/O bound and conversion to EBCDIC is fairly >simple, I wouldn't expect ASM alone to be that much help. Or was there >more to it? Everyone around me thought the same, just I/O. In fact, it was mostly crunching the variables in COBOL. With ASM it became an I/O-bound job, and we just loaded several instances,each with a pair of tape drives, and let it rip. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:00:20 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:18:13 +0200, you wrote: > > >On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: [...] > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=torvalds+tannenbaum&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=CKACpE.E1x%40whome.uucp&rnum=17 > > Here's a post of a message between Andy and Linus. In it Andy > Tannenbaum calls Minix a microkernel design. He says the only reason > drivers are embedded in the kernel is because of the x86 cpu. Did you read the whole story? That's exactly the text I was talking about. I didn't remember Minix was a micro-kernel. OK, it is. It also seems Andy didn't know how the 386 worked, so his excuse for embedding the drivers in the kernel is false. He also made some other errors in his text, mainly in his predictions. Well. Maybe he's a good teacher, maybe he's very good a system designs, but he's not good at marketing, for sure ;) > >Which Windows does eat only 4M? > > 98. That's according the the system resources under device manager. Well. With the device manager, you can only find some parameters for the device drivers, not the kernel memory usage. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:19:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Windi dictionary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tue, 30.07.02 10:17 PM +0200 Hi friends, tat windifre.exe file containing the Windi 7 language dictionary is freeware, right? Since it is no longer available from www.windi.com or where it was, I thought about putting it on SUPER. If it's freeware, I would do it. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:30:21 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] In-Reply-To: <004d01c234ce$ca81b280$2cfdf7a5@libretto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:38:50 -0500 John Musielewicz a icrit: > > Who would need to install Minix on a HP200 to use BASIC? Who would be so > > crazy? ;) > > Heh- I like basic because it is so simple to write programs. Plus a nice > basic like power basic compiles the programs. BTW, is there a PERL on Minix ? I think all the small [high level] programs I done in C some years ago are now done in Perl... One other advantage with Perl vs Basic is that it is more portable between Dos and Unix... Currently, I use my HP200 to develop and test a program which is to be ran only on a Linux server (it is intented to get specialy formated e-mails, decode them, and transpose them to different usages : resent as mail for mailing lists or SMS notification, web site update, publication to free newswires like indymedia.org, etc...). For the moment (I have only made mail->mail+sms transposition), it exactly the same source files which run on the two environements, with for sole exceptions one system test to determine the position of the temp files, and one other to not call sendmail on the HP200.... ;-) Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:57:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Erwann ABALEA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Did you read the whole story? That's exactly the text I was talking = about. >I didn't remember Minix was a micro-kernel. OK, it is. Yes I read the entire thread. >It also seems Andy didn't know how the 386 worked, so his excuse for >embedding the drivers in the kernel is false. Hmm..what could he be talking about? I wouldn't mind changing Minix into a true microkernel. It would make it take much less memory on the LX. >He also made some other errors in his text, mainly in his predictions. >Well. Maybe he's a good teacher, maybe he's very good a system designs, >but he's not good at marketing, for sure ;) It seems like marketing is the key in computer software. > >> >Which Windows does eat only 4M? >> >> 98. That's according the the system resources under device manager. > >Well. With the device manager, you can only find some parameters for the >device drivers, not the kernel memory usage. Umm..my miswriting. under System then performance not device.=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:25:28 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: The 5K competition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve wrote: > http://www.256b.com/ > > Though most (all) are VGA. None the less amazing programs. > Program up "Tube" or "Omena" in a HHL! VERY impressive! Thanks for sharing this url. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:53:24 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > In COBOL I had to load the bytes into variables and manipulate the > variables arithmetically to extract the characters. It was like shifting > storage instead of registers. I wonder what kind of machine you had to contend with. As the conversion is straight forward byte to byte I would use a 256 long byte array and do something like: while not eof input a print b(a) wend On any machine I ever worked on this would run pretty fast. The worst part of it should be the condition testing, so I'd work on that first. Axel (learnt some FORTRAN, uses only BASIC) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:13:24 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:34 +0200, you wrote: >Hi John > >09h37m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > >> Does your Linux kernel have paride support in? If it does I can use it= for >> installing a distribution. > >These boot disks are from the SuS distribution, and thus have a >menu-driven module selection for several possible installation devices. >I don't know if paride is one of them, I fear it's not, but you can >simply try it. Boot the boot diskette, if you can choose paride, you >probably need the modules disk, too, to load the module. I tried booting the boot disk on my Libretto. It booted but my floppy drive locked up. So in this distribution there is no support for the Libretto floppy drive. Next I put it in my old desktop. There it worked with the floppy drive however it wouldn't allow me to install anything but the rescue disk from the flooppy. I was able to check memory use on the desktop and Linux was using 12 meg. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:01:39 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D470AD4.177FDDBE@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Axel, At 7/30/02-04:53 PM, you wrote: >I wonder what kind of machine you had to contend with. It was an IBM mainframe reading a totally foreign tape (to its operating system), hence reading the tape "frame" after "frame". I tried to avoid explaining all the intricate detail of how the BCD bytes were recorded on the tape and al the shifting necessary to do, because it is boring. Suffice it to say, it was NOT so straight forward as you assume. >As the conversionis straight forward byte to byte I would use a 256 long >byte array and do something like: >while not eof >input a >print b(a) >wend >On any machine I ever worked on this would run pretty fast. The worst >part of it should be the condition testing, so I'd work on that first. Hrmmmm... Your assumptions seem to follow the consulting model that tells you the advice first, then asks you what was the issue. You are making incorrect assumptions, and provide solutions to problems that never were there. Nothing was printed. The tape was read byte by byte (or "frame" after "frame". Each group of 4 "frames" had to be taken apart because it included parts of 3 what would become EBCDIC bytes. These 8-bit bytes has to be constructed, then translated to EBCDIC, then written in the proper sequence to the output buffer, as records, and as blocks of records. That's about as far as I'll go in boring everyone. Sorry. Oh, and remind me to never hire you as my consultant, huh? ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:19:00 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: OT: Linux In-Reply-To: <69tdkukf2m5n97kml8dpdpfek7gi3k92vo@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We should really stop this off-topic thread, unless some other people find it interesting... Sorry if this gets boring for some of you. On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > >It also seems Andy didn't know how the 386 worked, so his excuse for > >embedding the drivers in the kernel is false. > > Hmm..what could he be talking about? I'm not sure I understand your question. What I was saying is that Andy obviously didn't know that in the 286+ protected mode, accesses to priviledged I/O ports generate traps, and these traps are catched by the kernel. So in the 286, the kernel can eventually simulate I/O. This is obviously slow. On the 386+ protected mode, each task has a binary map of all the possible I/O ports, one bit for each I/O port. This map is modified only in kernel mode, and each I/O access is verified by the CPU itself and depending on the content of the map for the accessed port, the access is either accepted or rejected (in that case, a trap is generated). So device drivers can run while in userland. On the 8086, there's no protected mode, and no access control to the I/O ports, so any task can do anything. > I wouldn't mind changing Minix > into a true microkernel. It would make it take much less memory on the > LX. Probably not. If you can get a kernel compiled with just the necessary drivers, you won't gain anything in term of memory usage by having a microkernel instead of a monolithic kernel. It might eventually be the opposite. As for the performance, even if we now have some very good microkernels (one of them is QNX for example), a microkernel is *always* less performant than an equally well written monolithic kernel. Why? Because for a driver or usually-kernel module to call another module's function, it must send a message to this module (the message is actually received and distributed by the real kernel), this module receives the message and decodes it, performs the function, and send a message back to the caller with the result. In a monolithic kernel, the necessary function is called, and that's all. > >He also made some other errors in his text, mainly in his predictions. > >Well. Maybe he's a good teacher, maybe he's very good a system designs, > >but he's not good at marketing, for sure ;) > > It seems like marketing is the key in computer software. Market is, for sure. Marketing... I don't trust these people... ;) > >> >Which Windows does eat only 4M? > >> > >> 98. That's according the the system resources under device manager. > > > >Well. With the device manager, you can only find some parameters for the > >device drivers, not the kernel memory usage. > > Umm..my miswriting. under System then performance not device. OK, I see. What is displayed here is a percentage of what is called as the free User Resource. It is a segment of 64kbytes of memory only. This is *not* the whole memory. If you can find good third party software to track down memory usage of your Windows, you'll see that a minimal Windows 98 system (nothing loaded unless this third party utility) uses about 90M of physical memory, and 30M of virtual memory. We're far from the 4M memory usage. Really, Linux uses memory much more efficiently than Windows. On my actual machine, the real kernel takes 3496 kB of memory, and all the loaded programs (setiathome, a mysql server, a DNS server, my SSH server with 3 open connections from the outside, a daemon fetchmail, 12 gettys, 2 copies of portsentry, samba, sendmail, syslogd, klogd, apache+mod_ssl+php, 5 copies of bash, and some more...) take 54M at all. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:32:24 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Old Sofwwre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I heard an item on the news where the states are trying to come up with uniform laws to deal with software. One of the provisions would allow software companies to go into your computer and turn off access to older pieces of software. Considering how much older software I use (including DOS) I find this prospect frightening. Anyone else heard anything about this? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:59:12 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: N Knight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:32:24 -0400, you wrote: >I heard an item on the news >where the states are trying to >come up with uniform laws >to deal with software. > >One of the provisions would >allow software companies to >go into your computer >and turn off access to older >pieces of software. Sounds silly. It would be very expensive to do that. Plus they don't own the software on your computer. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:50:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: 2GB PC card for Omnigo??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everyone, This just ad just arrived in my inbox from Buy.com. If you click on the link and read the description, its says this card supports DOS and "is suitable for" use in the HP Omnigo 120 and Omnigo 700LX. Does anyone know anything more about this? I wonder if this would work in a 200LX??? Martin :) >___________________________________________________________ > > Kingston 2GB DataPak - REBATE OFFER! - FREE SHIPPING! > buy.com price: $228.95 ($213.95 after rebate) List price: > $299.00 > $15 mail-in rebate from Kingston! An ideal solution. Rebate good > thru 7/31/02. > >For more info about item and rebate, click here: >http://enews.buy.com/cgi-bin5/flo?y=eF5o0DJ1pg0CG10BQhK0Ae >___________________________________________________________ > ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:25:50 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: 2GB PC card for Omnigo??? Comments: To: "Martin G. Ramirez" In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020730184412.00b7ce80@lmumail.lmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. It uses 370 mA to spin up which means it takes too much current. It would work with the doubleslot adapter though. I don't know why they list the Omnigos when I thought their pc card slot was as limited in current as the 200/100LX. However the 5 gig looks quite interesting and would work in my Libretto as a hard drive with a IDE adapter. On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:50:23 -0700, you wrote: >Everyone, > >This just ad just arrived in my inbox from Buy.com. If you click on the >link and read the description, its says this card supports DOS and "is >suitable for" use in the HP Omnigo 120 and Omnigo 700LX. Does anyone = know >anything more about this? I wonder if this would work in a 200LX??? > >Martin :) > >>___________________________________________________________ >> >> Kingston 2GB DataPak - REBATE OFFER! - FREE SHIPPING! >> buy.com price: $228.95 ($213.95 after rebate) List price: >> $299.00 >> $15 mail-in rebate from Kingston! An ideal solution. Rebate good >> thru 7/31/02. >> >>For more info about item and rebate, click here: >>http://enews.buy.com/cgi-bin5/flo?y=3DeF5o0DJ1pg0CG10BQhK0Ae >>___________________________________________________________ >> > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >Dr. Martin G. Ramirez >Department of Biology >Loyola Marymount University >One LMU Drive, MS 8220 >Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. >(310) 338-5120 >FAX: (310) 338-4479 >e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:14:57 -0600 Reply-To: alaskan@TELUSPLANET.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Davis Bacon Organization: Trolls are evil Subject: Re: 2GB PC card for Omnigo??? Comments: To: "Martin G. Ramirez" In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020730184412.00b7ce80@lmumail.lmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SpinUp Current 370 mA (3.3V) or 380 mA (5.0V)=20 Active Read Current 360 mA (3.3V) or 370 mA (5.0V)=20 Active Write Current 390 mA (3.3V) or 400 mA (5.0V)=20 Idle Current 150 mA (3.3V) or 160 mA (5.0V)=20 Standby Current 70 mA (3.3V) or 75 mA (5.0V)=20 Sleep Current 15 mA (3.3V) or 20 mA (5.0V)=20 These are great devices for the amount of space they offer, but they're power hungry as you can see from the specs above... I think the HPLX series only supports 100-150 mA current draw max. On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:50:23 -0700, you wrote: >Everyone, > >This just ad just arrived in my inbox from Buy.com. If you click on the >link and read the description, its says this card supports DOS and "is >suitable for" use in the HP Omnigo 120 and Omnigo 700LX. Does anyone = know >anything more about this? I wonder if this would work in a 200LX??? > >Martin :) > >>___________________________________________________________ >> >> Kingston 2GB DataPak - REBATE OFFER! - FREE SHIPPING! >> buy.com price: $228.95 ($213.95 after rebate) List price: >> $299.00 >> $15 mail-in rebate from Kingston! An ideal solution. Rebate good >> thru 7/31/02. >> >>For more info about item and rebate, click here: >>http://enews.buy.com/cgi-bin5/flo?y=3DeF5o0DJ1pg0CG10BQhK0Ae >>___________________________________________________________ >> > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >Dr. Martin G. Ramirez >Department of Biology >Loyola Marymount University >One LMU Drive, MS 8220 >Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. >(310) 338-5120 >FAX: (310) 338-4479 >e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:50:12 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: nickknightonfk@HOTMAIL.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is called UCITA (Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act). It was proposed by NCCUSL (National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Law) as a follow-on and update of the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code.) Originaly proposed in February 2000, it was adopted with varying degrees of modifications by some states, but resisted by other states. It is alleged to be EXTREMELY pro-vendor (I think it is, as a vendor!) and essentially screws the customer where possible. (Forgive my language, but it is the most direct way to express it.) I, and many vendors, fight against adoption of this draconic law, because of many of its presumptions, such as that the customer is a thief, and dealings with him/her should begin from that point of view. There are many other very unpleasant aspects to this law. You mentioned one. It is not clear at this time HOW the law will be actually applied, many states have not applied any of the rules of the road to it yet, in places where it passed. If you want to read the text of the law go here: http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/ulc/ucita/ucita200.htm I believe this is a pro-UCITA site: http://www.ucitaonline.com/ This is an organization which fights UCITE with good success: http://www.4cite.org/ If you search on UCITA in Google you'll find many other sites. It is a complex law, and it takes a lot of time to understand and formulate the talking points and so on. There are also many myths around it, so be careful about some statements you read (and make). Worth learning about. Avi At 7/30/02-07:32 PM, N Knight wrote: >I heard an item on the news where the states are trying to come up with >uniform laws to deal with software. > >One of the provisions would allow software companies to go into your >computer and turn off access to older pieces of software. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:40:34 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: OT: Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John 07h21m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > I tried booting the boot disk on my Libretto. It booted but my floppy > drive locked up. So in this distribution there is no support for the > Libretto floppy drive. Next I put it in my old desktop. There it > worked with the floppy drive however it wouldn't allow me to install > anything but the rescue disk from the flooppy. Not by default. But I thought about booting to a Linux prompt and "installing" it manually. Don't know how, though. > I was able to check > memory use on the desktop and Linux was using 12 meg. Well, the boot disk kernel has to be prepared for a large variety of devices, so it may blown up by many, many device drivers. Was it really only the _kernel_ which took up 12 MB? Have to check that here. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:53:07 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: 2GB PC card for Omnigo??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Martin G. Ramirez" wrote: > its says this card supports DOS and "is suitable for" use > in the HP Omnigo 120 and Omnigo 700LX. Does anyone know > anything more about this? I wonder if this would work in a 200LX??? Can't say if what they claim is true, but what works for the 700 should work for the 200 too - they are nearly identical, except that one is nicer and the other better. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:09:37 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > Oh, and remind me to never hire > you as my consultant, huh? Should depend on what you need a consultant for. I have learnt about a few things, computing is not among them - that is what I pay you lot to teach me. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:16:19 +0000 Reply-To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Stefan Peichl Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: cc: novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve wrote: > Using *.BMP files negates the requirement to write the > compression code of a PCX picture. PCX compression is very simple, small an fast. You can do it in minutes after all your GIF experience. I can give you my ASM code sniplet from LXPIC and there is also a PCX read/write demo in the C-- package. There is a whole TINYDRAW program coming with C--, but it needs to be adapted from VGA to CGA. The run file size is 20k (11k compressed). It supports mouse, self displaying COM files and PCX indeed. It is a surprising powerful drawing program. If you are not into C-- I can send you the TINYDRAW.COM file for the desktop. The port to CGA is probably the fastest way to achive a simple and small program for the palmtop. Don't use BMP, the files are huge and 2-color PCX technical drawings compress extremely good. Stefan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:01:16 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Barry writes: > The first few years of programming mainframes everything was card > entry and the output was paper. I turned in my deck of cards to be > run overnight and the next morning I either got the listing and the > results, or, if it failed, the listing and a core dump in hex. > That was my only debugging tool. > > I got pretty good at reading the machine code to try to figure out > where things went wrong. Reminds me when I went with my employer to a course on programming CNC machines. Then the result was a paper tape with the "G - code" of machine instructions. After one session he held up the tape and started peering at it. The tutor came up to ask what he was doing. "Checking the g-code for errors". -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:53:01 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I believe we've been through this already (right Avi?), but as far as commercial software goes (as well as many freeware and shareware programs), the software companies _DO_OWN_ the software on your computer. The standard EULA (End User License Agreement) states you only have a license to _USE_ the software, but that ownership rights are retained by the company. Now, if a company were to go in and disable a piece of software you already have licensed, they would probably need to modify the EULA, which they may or may not legally be able to do, depending on the state/country/EULA wording. As far as being expensive to do, it would not be so for future software, especially when many people maintain ongoing connections to the Internet. Many programs (e.g., Norton, Windows) already have "live updates," where new program code is fed to your computer, sometimes without your knowledge. The EULA with these programs allows the company to do that. I don't like it, but that is the model that some companies (especially Microsoft) are favoring. It is also one reason why I still use the HPLX and have Win95 on my home desktop computer. Bob -----Original Message----- From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:59 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Sounds silly. It would be very expensive to do that. Plus they don't own the software on your computer. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:53:16 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:53:01 -0600, you wrote: >I believe we've been through this already (right Avi?), but as far as >commercial software goes (as well as many freeware and shareware = programs), >the software companies _DO_OWN_ the software on your computer. The = standard >EULA (End User License Agreement) states you only have a license to = _USE_ >the software, but that ownership rights are retained by the company. Sorry, its my computer, I paid for the software, I neither had a chance to negoiate or sign a contract or users agreement. It is my software- I own it. > >Now, if a company were to go in and disable a piece of software you = already >have licensed, they would probably need to modify the EULA, which they = may >or may not legally be able to do, depending on the state/country/EULA >wording. > >As far as being expensive to do, it would not be so for future software, >especially when many people maintain ongoing connections to the = Internet. >Many programs (e.g., Norton, Windows) already have "live updates," where= new >program code is fed to your computer, sometimes without your knowledge. = The >EULA with these programs allows the company to do that. Very few individuals keep ongoing connections to the internet. Companies do so though. I don't allow access or updates to _my_ computer without my knowledge and would immeadiately sue any company that does so for violation of my property, invasion of my privacy and damages. > >I don't like it, but that is the model that some companies (especially >Microsoft) are favoring. It is also one reason why I still use the HPLX = and >have Win95 on my home desktop computer. > >Bob > John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:40 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/31/02-08:53 AM, Bob Feldman wrote: >I believe we've been through this already (right Avi?), but as far as >commercial software goes (as well as many freeware and shareware programs), >the software companies _DO_OWN_ the software on your computer. The standard >EULA (End User License Agreement) states you only have a license to _USE_ >the software, but that ownership rights are retained by the company. Right. Of course John will claim he bought the "software" therefore he owns it, that it is on _his_ machine therefore no one else owns it except him. I went at this immovable wall once, and it was useless. I saw John's post and I thought of replying, but rejected the idea as non-productive. There is a disconnect in the way people think about a license to use and "ownership" of the code. They feel it is the same. >Now, if a company were to go in and disable a piece of software you already >have licensed, they would probably need to modify the EULA, which they may >or may not legally be able to do, depending on the state/country/EULA >wording. In some cases the EULA already says they can do it. Some MS EULA's were modified when you downloaded a service pack, for example. This is one TERRIFIC reason to tell MS to go take a hike, and move to Linux. I suspect that if taken to court, the modified EULA will be declared unenforceable, but I haven't a spare $100,000 lying about to prove the point :-( I the states were UCITA was passed (I think West Virginia and Maryland only, thankfully!) this is probably quite possible, but I do not think it was tested yet, neither by vendor, nor in court. >As far as being expensive to do, it would not be so for future software, >especially when many people maintain ongoing connections to the Internet. >Many programs (e.g., Norton, Windows) already have "live updates," where new >program code is fed to your computer, sometimes without your knowledge. The >EULA with these programs allows the company to do that. What one might argue is, and John may prevail, but for different reasons than he proposed so far, that anyone modifying my machine without my express permission, EULA-permission notwithstanding, is a thief, an intruder, whatever, and be charged with criminal liability just as caught hackers are charged. With RICO Act in place, this can become even a conspiracy (the backdoor was deliberately coded!) and some form of racketeering (AHD defines racketeering as "To carry on illegal business activities that involve crimes", and if the intrusion is illegal then you have it!) with lovely fines, mandatory jail sentences. confiscatory and punitive punishments, and so on. To test all this in court will take mucho dineros!!! >I don't like it, but that is the model that some companies (especially >Microsoft) are favoring. It is also one reason why I still use the HPLX and >have Win95 on my home desktop computer. You should read up on UCITA, cringe, and join the forces that fight it. I think it is a despicable law. It should be repealed whereever possible, and whoever voted for it should be kicked out of office summarily. It is really protective of the software vendor' interest, but to an excess and I believe it is unfair, unjust and should be fought against. Even putting on my software vendor's hat I still think UCITA is despicable. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:19:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: davidb@netmedia.net.il MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Becher" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Barry writes: > > The first few years of programming mainframes everything was card > > entry and the output was paper. I turned in my deck of cards to be > > run overnight and the next morning I either got the listing and the > > results, or, if it failed, the listing and a core dump in hex. > > That was my only debugging tool. > > > > I got pretty good at reading the machine code to try to figure out > > where things went wrong. > > Reminds me when I went with my employer to a course on programming CNC > machines. Then the result was a paper tape with the "G - code" of > machine instructions. After one session he held up the tape and started peering > at it. The tutor came up to ask what he was doing. > > "Checking the g-code for errors". What is g-code? I haven't encountered that term before. But, then, I never used paper tape. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:09:11 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Folks, this is a new wrinkle on the hoax perpetrated for years. The "run of the mill" hoax goes like this: You get an email requesting "your utmost confidence" in helping some relative of a prominent Nigerian / Senegalese / Congolese citizen in relieving several million $$ of their bondage and funnel them into your account. Needless to say, you get zilch if you reply, but they will ask you to provide some small funds for a license, then another, then a fee for a document, and so on. It appears that some all-too-innocent souls have provided as much as $60,000+ in various funds, to finally awaken to the inevitability of the hoax. In short - delete the emails when you get them. But here is a new wrinkle. Over the years I have collected about 60 different version, much of them a close rehash. This is a new way to do it. BTW, note the atrocious spelling, a usually good indicator about the trashiness of the origin / originator. Capitalization where inappropriate, spelling that is worse than well... bad, punctuation that defies the imagination (and the rules of grammar), and of course the approach: If it was for real, would they really approach an unknown person? Anyway, this one is not as rich, only $10 million vs. $30-50 million in the other ploys, but its sharing percentage is more generous - you will (not) get 40% of the proceeds. When you get this kind of email - relegate it to the big bit bucket in the sky! To: info@dasoft.com Subject: friendship"121" ATTN: CEO/MD FROM:BARRISTER SAN UTI EMAIL:franklinokoyechambers@justice.com I am Barrister SAN UTI. Solicitor. I am the Personal Attorney to Mr Adams Blandford a national of your country,who used to work with Akaduma development company in Nigeria.On the 21st of April 1999, my client, his wife And their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbama Express Road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost there lives. Since then I have made several enquiries to your embassy to locate any of my clients extended relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet, to locate any member of his family but of no avail, hence I contacted you. I have contacted you to assist in repartrating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confisicated or declared unserviceable by the Finance House where this huge deposits were lodged.Particularly, the Finance House where the deceased had a valued at about 10 million dollars has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confisicated within the next ten official working days. since I have been unsuccesfull in locating the the relatives for over 2 years now I seek your conscent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are from the same country so that the proceeds of this account valued at $10 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 55% to me and 40% to you,while 5% should be for expenses or tax as your government may require, I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us see this dealt through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.Please get in touch with me by my email to enable us discuss further. Best regards, SAN UTI(Esq) email:franklinbng@yahoo.com" ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:17:33 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/31/02-09:53 AM, John Musielewicz wrote: >Sorry, its my computer, I paid for the software, I neither had a >chance to negoiate or sign a contract or users agreement. It is my >software- I own it. You never responded to me on the following test if "it is yours" or not: Can you make copies and sell the software to others legally? If "it is yours" you could. If not, it is not yours, you just bought a license to use it. You can sell that one single copy of the license to the next person legally, not more than that. >Very few individuals keep ongoing connections to the internet. In the latest surveys, it is estimated that over 10 million people in the USA have constant connections. That's a whole lot more than "very few". >Companies do so though. I don't allow access or updates to _my_ >computer without my knowledge and would immeadiately sue any company >that does so for violation of my property, invasion of my privacy and >damages. You ARE one of the lucky ones with a spare $100,000 lying about to fight this battle. Good for you! In all seriousness, what you say is merely bravado, no substance. If Microsoft wanted to change their software on your machine they could do it even without a permanent connection, and even without your permission. And you would not even know they did! And unless you walk into an attorney's office with a suitcase full of cash, I seriously believe they will all advise you to go home and kiss off that lawsuit. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:35:11 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731092705.04b48d40@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:40 -0500, you wrote: >At 7/31/02-08:53 AM, Bob Feldman wrote: >>I believe we've been through this already (right Avi?), but as far as >>commercial software goes (as well as many freeware and shareware = programs), >>the software companies _DO_OWN_ the software on your computer. The = standard >>EULA (End User License Agreement) states you only have a license to = _USE_ >>the software, but that ownership rights are retained by the company. > >Right. Of course John will claim he bought the "software" therefore he = owns >it, that it is on _his_ machine therefore no one else owns it except = him. I >went at this immovable wall once, and it was useless. I saw John's post = and >I thought of replying, but rejected the idea as non-productive. There is= a >disconnect in the way people think about a license to use and = "ownership" >of the code. They feel it is the same. No, there is something crazy (and slightly illegal) about companies who think they can put conditions on a sale without negoiation by both parties then not allow the buyer to get a refund if he disgrees. =20 If the idea was on solid ground tobacco companies would be putting user agreements on packs of cigarettes to prevent lawsuits and loosing billions of dollars. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:41:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > I believe we've been through this already (right Avi?), but as far as > commercial software goes (as well as many freeware and shareware programs), > the software companies _DO_OWN_ the software on your computer. The standard > EULA (End User License Agreement) states you only have a license to _USE_ > the software, but that ownership rights are retained by the company. I'm getting very discouraged with the way all this is going. First the Sonny Bono act that stole a lot of public domain stuff from us. Then the DMCA which made the things techies do to advance the state of the art in technology a felony. Then there's this UCITA, which I didn't know about until Avi's post. Then there's the fact that courts, who usually held that EULA's were not valid, have begun to decide that they are valid. In the future we have Senator Hollings CBDTPA to look forward to. Well I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore. What about piracy? I've been a programmer for most of my adult life and, even though I was always either on salary or on contract (writing someone else's programs) I understand the need for a programmer to be paid. Especially if he puts his time on the line writing his own program. And publishers, for making programs available to me, deserve to be paid. I'm completely and totally 99% against piracy. The other 1% is because I usually download pirate copies of programs to try out before I buy them. But if I use them I buy them. Period. That's saved me a lot of thousands of dollars over the years because I used to buy a LOT of software that wasn't of any value but I didn't know it till I bought it. Now I can find out before I buy. That also cost the publishers of useless software a lot of thousands of dollars that I didn't pay them for stuff I couldn't use. Tough titty! But now, just as the news is telling us what crooks big companies are, (yes I know it's just some of them but it's a lot of them and we aint done yet) various levels of government are passing laws to prevent me from protecting myself from vendors of defective and useless software. They're passing laws to legislate my money into their pockets. They're passing laws to take away the right to experiment and explore. And they're planning to pass laws that will require that everything a computer does be theftproof. Which will severly limit what computers can do. Well, hell! We have a technological revolution going on! And the government, most of whose members know nothing of technology, are trying to squelch it in the name of "fixing it". And I don't think we should let them. If it's going to be the pirates vs the legislature, lets hear it for the pirates. Hip! Hip! Hooray!!! I'm not advocating theft. I still think people, and even large, evil publishers, should get paid for their software if I use it. But they've now defined all sorts of other things as piracy, such as disassembling software to learn how it's done. Let's hope those doing it will now be careful not to be caught. But please, people, don't stop doing it! Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:52:50 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) In-Reply-To: <001901c238a5$b4531be0$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Until fairly recently, all the good NC programmers checked the G-code on their paper tapes before sending them to the machines. The G-codes produced movement of the cutting tool, e.g. Go here, go there, retract tool, etc. John -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:19 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Becher" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Barry writes: > > The first few years of programming mainframes everything was card > > entry and the output was paper. I turned in my deck of cards to be > > run overnight and the next morning I either got the listing and the > > results, or, if it failed, the listing and a core dump in hex. > > That was my only debugging tool. > > > > I got pretty good at reading the machine code to try to figure out > > where things went wrong. > > Reminds me when I went with my employer to a course on programming CNC > machines. Then the result was a paper tape with the "G - code" of > machine instructions. After one session he held up the tape and started peering > at it. The tutor came up to ask what he was doing. > > "Checking the g-code for errors". What is g-code? I haven't encountered that term before. But, then, I never used paper tape. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:51:26 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > Very few individuals keep ongoing connections to the internet. > Companies do so though. I don't allow access or updates to _my_ > computer without my knowledge and would immeadiately sue any company > that does so for violation of my property, invasion of my privacy and > damages. My father has a cable connection and he's always connected to the internet. But in order for publishers to know where to find his software it has to reach out and let them know. When I set up his computer I set up Zone Alarm. I suggested that he always say no to programs wanting to access the internet unless he asks me first. Since I always install his software this is fairly practical. And he took my advice. I think for the moment that makes him pretty safe. Every time a program wants to access the internet he writes down the name of the program and I've seen that quite a few programs do want to from time to time, for no good reason that I can think of. Microsoft's latest upgrade to IE 5.5 put a buggy program in my system that tells me it's time to check for updates every day. I found the program and deleted it. The next day it was back. I did some exploring and finally found a way to defeat it. (I named another, innocuous program with the name of that program so it doesn't try to replace it and I changed the registry so that it doesn't keep trying to reset it's activation date.) I'm getting very distrustful. I have an old 486 Compaq desktop that I bought for someone for $20 and they didn't want it. I'm giving serious thought to setting that up, with dos, for the internet and taking this machine off the internet, except when I want to do a big download. I just don't trust those guys anymore. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:58:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > Right. Of course John will claim he bought the "software" therefore he owns > it, that it is on _his_ machine therefore no one else owns it except him. I > went at this immovable wall once, and it was useless. I saw John's post and > I thought of replying, but rejected the idea as non-productive. There is a > disconnect in the way people think about a license to use and "ownership" > of the code. They feel it is the same. I'm in total agreement with John on this point. I bought it. I paid for it. It's mine. EULA be damned! No, that doesn't give me the right to do anything I want with it. I can't share it. I also own (outright) the land I'm sitting on right now. But I don't have the right to oil drawn from it. Or something like that. I forget just how mineral rights work but mine are limited. And I don't have distribution rights for the software I own. But I own it. It's mine. I have posession of it. I can use it as I please. If anybody doesn't like that, too bad! As far as I'm concerned there's only one sensible argument against this. If you ask me how anyone can own a pattern, I'll shrug and give in. But if we're going to play this silly game of "this pattern belongs to me", "no that pattern is mine" and if I'm forced to play along, I'll play to my advantage. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:05:56 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > No, there is something crazy (and slightly illegal) about companies > who think they can put conditions on a sale without negoiation by both > parties then not allow the buyer to get a refund if he disgrees. In the past the courts have almost always held this to be true. No chance to negotiate, no valid contract. But from what I've been reading that's changed. Most courts are now upholding EULAs. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:16:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: John McCaskill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCaskill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Until fairly recently, all the good NC programmers checked the G-code on > their paper tapes before sending them to the machines. The G-codes produced > movement of the cutting tool, e.g. Go here, go there, retract tool, etc. What are NC programmers? Obviously something to do with manufacturing. Are these the guys that program the automated machines in machine shops? My first training was as a machinist. I went to a 6 month government school and then began an apprenticeship to a tool and die maker. This was in a job shop and we seldom made more than one or two of anything so I never saw any of the automatic stuff. Fascinating stuff! I'd probably still be doing it if I didn't realize that everyone who'd been doing it more than about 5 years had at least one finger missing. When it happened to my thumb they were able to put it back on but it's never been the same since. I decided to find a different career. Kind of a shame because it's just about the most satisfying work I ever did. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:01:40 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: ModemInit for Nokia 8210 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! What ModemInit should I use with www/lx and Nokia 8210 to get the fastest = speed? I know that Peichl and Bergvill have fooled around with it a lot. Did You ever come up with an optimal ModemInit? I have seen stuff like: ModemInit=3DAT&F+CBST=3D14,0,1 Modeminit=3DATZ+cbst=3D81,0,1;+chsn=3D6,0,0,0 But that is all mumbo jumbo to me. /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:52 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <001901c238a5$b4531be0$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>What is g-code? I haven't encountered that term before. But, g code = assembly for numeric controllers, while paper tape is gone g code is still widely used in a lot of machines and even grew up to include m codes to control perhipriels. g codes generally control motor drive units and have to do with positioning and speed, m codes generally control stuff like turning water on and off in a automated cutting tool. or do I have that reversed ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:54 -0400 Reply-To: Larry Tachna Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Larry Tachna Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: <4a0gku4qe33vh52j81qmqab97s51vr3vsq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>No, there is something crazy (and slightly illegal) about companies >>who think they can put conditions on a sale without negoiation by both >>parties then not allow the buyer to get a refund if he disgrees. you do have a chance to disagree and return the software BEFORE breaking the seal on the internal software container, at least most software has the user agreement printed on the software container with the usual notice saying you break the seal you agree to the terms you dont like the terms DONT break the seal and take the software back for a refund ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:10:45 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) In-Reply-To: <004801c238ad$a5d20f60$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, CNC machines are "Computer Numerically Controlled" servomotor-controlled manufacturing machines. Here's a sample of the code: http://www.servoproductsco.com/techtips.htm#G-code John -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@fbtc.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:16 AM To: John McCaskill; HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCaskill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Until fairly recently, all the good NC programmers checked the G-code on > their paper tapes before sending them to the machines. The G-codes produced > movement of the cutting tool, e.g. Go here, go there, retract tool, etc. What are NC programmers? Obviously something to do with manufacturing. Are these the guys that program the automated machines in machine shops? My first training was as a machinist. I went to a 6 month government school and then began an apprenticeship to a tool and die maker. This was in a job shop and we seldom made more than one or two of anything so I never saw any of the automatic stuff. Fascinating stuff! I'd probably still be doing it if I didn't realize that everyone who'd been doing it more than about 5 years had at least one finger missing. When it happened to my thumb they were able to put it back on but it's never been the same since. I decided to find a different career. Kind of a shame because it's just about the most satisfying work I ever did. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A couple of points: One of the big problems with these types of laws is you have legislators voting on this stuff who in most cases don't even know how to turn on a computer, much less know the slightest thing about how to do anything on it. You have these legislators making these laws while at the same time they probably can't even set the time on their VCR. Another big problem is when it comes to computers the laws are mnay years behind the technology. As the laws get enacted the technology is going to be years ahead. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:27:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Larry Tachna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tachna" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > you do have a chance to disagree and return the software BEFORE breaking the > seal on the internal software container, at least most software has the user > agreement printed on the software container with the usual notice saying you > break the seal you agree to the terms you dont like the terms DONT break the > seal and take the software back for a refund So it seems, but not true. There's an ongoing class action suit against Microsoft (the last I heard. It might have been resolved now) because they refuse to offer the promised refund when you don't open the package on Windows if you buy a machine for use with Linux. MS says that's the vendors responsibility. The vendor says that's MS's responsibility. The EULA says it's MS's responsibility. At least it did back then. I haven't heard about this in the past year or two. In any case, nobody made the refund and a lot of people sued. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:33:52 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: N Knight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Knight" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > A couple of points: > > One of the big problems with > these types of laws is > you have legislators voting on this > stuff who in most cases don't even > know how to turn on a computer, much > less know the slightest thing about > how to do anything on it. > > > You have these legislators making these > laws while at the same time they > probably can't even set the time on their > VCR. Actually they have a good way to solve this problem. The vendor's lawyers actually write the bills. Disney has been very generous with this. :) By the way, it's really interesting that Disney lobbied really really hard for the Sonny Bono bill and had their lawyers write the bill. I'm sure this was just an act of generosity and has nothing to do with the fact that their Mickey Mouse copyright was about to expire and, thanks to the Sonny Bono bill, it didn't. Is that thievery? When the law says something that is theirs will become all of ours after a certain time, and when that time is up to lobby and spend a fortune to get unknowing dupes (legislators) to change the law? To use the force of arms (the police) to prevent us from getting what we are supposed to get? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:37:49 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Larry Tachna In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:54 -0400, you wrote: >>>No, there is something crazy (and slightly illegal) about companies >>>who think they can put conditions on a sale without negoiation by both >>>parties then not allow the buyer to get a refund if he disgrees. > >you do have a chance to disagree and return the software BEFORE breaking= the >seal on the internal software container, at least most software has the = user >agreement printed on the software container with the usual notice saying= you >break the seal you agree to the terms you dont like the terms DONT break= the >seal and take the software back for a refund How does that allow an option? If after using the software the buyer decides its not worth putting up with the contract for then he can't return it. I have a users agreement too. It is on my computer and availible to any software manufacturer that asks. I drew it up after the last flame war on the subject. It lists the things software can do on my computer and the conditions under which I buy software and allow it to run. Doesn't matter if it isn't signed or read (I am not responsible if their software doesn't look for it and either agree or disagree to it by either running or not running) since by my buying _their_ software and keeping _their_ software and _they_ agreeing to run their software in the presence of the contract _they_ are bound by its terms and conditions. Heh- it says so right in the contract! John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:46:14 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: OT: Ancient Programmers (VBG) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:10:45 -0500 John McCaskill a =E9crit: > Yes, CNC machines are "Computer Numerically Controlled" > servomotor-controlled manufacturing machines. Here's a sample of the code= : > http://www.servoproductsco.com/techtips.htm#G-code Ouch ! When a few simple lines of "code" brings you long years ago... %-) I have too programmed this kind of machines when I was a student, near 1985...=20 Perhaps not exactly the same code, but very close....=20 And I remember the paper tapes too... BTW, in the same vein of low level programming applied to mechanics, you had also "programable automats" (Don't know the official english term), permitting to automatize manufacturing process... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:40:12 -0400 Reply-To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Norman Wolfe Subject: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be abroad for eight weeks and cannot carry my 200LX. How do I preserve the RAM? Obviously I have a complete back up on my desktop and a zipped b/u on a storage card. Back-up, remove all batteries, restore after return? (Also must restore Tech RAM on my x2,32mb 200LA). Turn off but plug into adapter? Turn on and plug into adapter? Use Lithium AA's? Your thoughts and experiences appreciated. Norm Wolfe (I rely heavily on the 200lx calc, now that the HP41 went TU!) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:51:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: John McCaskill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCaskill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Yes, CNC machines are "Computer Numerically Controlled" > servomotor-controlled manufacturing machines. Here's a sample of the code: > http://www.servoproductsco.com/techtips.htm#G-code Thanks for that link. Interesting stuff. It doesn't seem low level enough to be called machine code but I guess that depends on how much the hardware is capable of doing on it's own. It would seem that this code is controlling drivers in the machine, not the hardware itself. But I don't know that. It's just how it seems. For example, Z1.0 positions the tool one inch above the part. That has to be a fairly complex thing for the machine to do. Making that a single machine instruction seems comperable to having a future Pentium that has a machine instruction 'read record' or 'print line'. Actually, my brother, a COBOL programmer, insists that those are machine instructions on an AS400 (the machine he works on) but I think that's because he doesn't really understand what a machine instruction is. Maybe that's in firmware and somebody was explaining that to him and he (or the person explaining) didn't know the difference. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:59:55 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: davidb@netmedia.net.il MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Becher" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Reminds me when I went with my employer to a course on programming CNC > machines. Then the result was a paper tape with the "G - code" of > machine instructions. After one session he held up the tape and started peering > at it. The tutor came up to ask what he was doing. I went to a computer school and one of the things we had to learn was to read the Hollerith code...the punch code in cards. In those days we got a lot of punch cards in the mail in our bills. Anybody remember "Do not fold, spindle or mutilate!"? I could look at the punches and read them. Not that I could make sense of most of them but there were parts of some that did make sense, such as names and addresses, etc. I used to have fun impressing friends by holding up the card and telling them what the punches said. And if there wasn't anything legible I'd just make something up. Integrity has never been one of my handicaps. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:06:31 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) In-Reply-To: <00c801c238c3$646ae360$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The G-codes are run through a reader (& compiled) to get the machine code. Most machines have one at the machine. I know (knew?) many NC programmers who could read the G-code but none who could read the machine code. All the NC machines used to have readers attached to them to read the tape image (used to be actual paper tape) and compile it into the actual machine move instructions. John -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@fbtc.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:51 PM To: John McCaskill; HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCaskill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Yes, CNC machines are "Computer Numerically Controlled" > servomotor-controlled manufacturing machines. Here's a sample of the code: > http://www.servoproductsco.com/techtips.htm#G-code Thanks for that link. Interesting stuff. It doesn't seem low level enough to be called machine code but I guess that depends on how much the hardware is capable of doing on it's own. It would seem that this code is controlling drivers in the machine, not the hardware itself. But I don't know that. It's just how it seems. For example, Z1.0 positions the tool one inch above the part. That has to be a fairly complex thing for the machine to do. Making that a single machine instruction seems comperable to having a future Pentium that has a machine instruction 'read record' or 'print line'. Actually, my brother, a COBOL programmer, insists that those are machine instructions on an AS400 (the machine he works on) but I think that's because he doesn't really understand what a machine instruction is. Maybe that's in firmware and somebody was explaining that to him and he (or the person explaining) didn't know the difference. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:04:05 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:54 -0400, you wrote: > I have a users agreement too. It is on my computer and > availible to any software manufacturer that asks. I drew it up after > the last flame war on the subject. It lists the things software can do > on my computer and the conditions under which I buy software and allow > it to run. Doesn't matter if it isn't signed or read (I am not > responsible if their software doesn't look for it and either agree or > disagree to it by either running or not running) since by my buying > _their_ software and keeping _their_ software and _they_ agreeing to > run their software in the presence of the contract _they_ are bound by > its terms and conditions. Heh- it says so right in the contract! That was funny when it was in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I think I would have done it a little different. I'd have the contract state that since this software belongs to them they have to pay a monthly storage charge while it remains on my machine. Then bill them. Once you show them the contract I'm sure they'll pay you, happilly. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:46:31 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <00f001c238c5$201d5060$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:04:05 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Musielewicz" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:37 PM >Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:54 -0400, you wrote: > >> I have a users agreement too. It is on my computer and >> availible to any software manufacturer that asks. I drew it up >after >> the last flame war on the subject. It lists the things software >can do >> on my computer and the conditions under which I buy software and >allow >> it to run. Doesn't matter if it isn't signed or read (I am not >> responsible if their software doesn't look for it and either >agree or >> disagree to it by either running or not running) since by my >buying >> _their_ software and keeping _their_ software and _they_ agreeing >to >> run their software in the presence of the contract _they_ are >bound by >> its terms and conditions. Heh- it says so right in the >contract! > >That was funny when it was in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I thought it was pretty funny. I didn't read it in the HGTTG so didn't realize its been played before. > >I think I would have done it a little different. I'd have the >contract state that since this software belongs to them they have >to pay a monthly storage charge while it remains on my machine. >Then bill them. Once you show them the contract I'm sure they'll >pay you, happilly. > LOL. Problem with that is you want that program on your computer. Otherwise companies might start storing programs on their own servers, force you to access them over the internet and charge on a per use or timed basis and really soaking people for money. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:54:04 +0200 Reply-To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! > Actually, my brother, a COBOL programmer, insists that those are > machine instructions on an AS400 (the machine he works on) but I > think that's because he doesn't really understand what a machine > instruction is. Maybe that's in firmware and somebody was Maybe your brother is kind of right, because the AS400 has no "traditional" processor. Instead, it uses a "programmable" processor, that gets its microcode loaded at startup. Hence it would be possible that a machine instruction for an AS400 is far more complex than for an 80x86, since I have in mind that this microcode is about 400kB!! But I have never programmed an AS400, so I'm just guessing ... Paul ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:34:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > LOL. Problem with that is you want that program on your computer. > Otherwise companies might start storing programs on their own servers, > force you to access them over the internet and charge on a per use or > timed basis and really soaking people for money. You haven't heard? That's where it's going. MS and a number of other publishers are already starting to do this experimentally. They can charge by the year or, what seems to be MS favorite idea, according to some things I read, is charging by the minute while you use a program. That's part of what MS's .net is about. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:43:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) Comments: To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul-J|rgen Wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Ancient Programmers (VBG) > Hi! > > > Actually, my brother, a COBOL programmer, insists that those are > > machine instructions on an AS400 (the machine he works on) but I > > think that's because he doesn't really understand what a machine > > instruction is. Maybe that's in firmware and somebody was > > Maybe your brother is kind of right, because the AS400 has no "traditional" > processor. Instead, it uses a "programmable" processor, that gets its > microcode loaded at startup. Hence it would be possible that a machine > instruction for an AS400 is far more complex than for an 80x86, since I have > in mind that this microcode is about 400kB!! Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. Computers have been using loadable microcode for decades and I've never heard of anything like that being actually done. The DG mini that I worked on had a processor (16 of them actually) board that consisted of a CPU with a total of 3 registers besides the stack pointer and instruction pointer. But actually there was no such CPU. The board contained a large number of microprocessors that, working together, kind of emulated that virtual CPU. Those MPUs had to be programmed of course and that was their microcode. I'm not an engineer but I understand this sort of architecture is pretty common. I'm trying to remember what the MPUs were. I do remember they were 8 bit. Maybe Z80s or 6809s. I know they were microprocessors I had programmed earlier. I think each CPU (of the 16 eclipse CPUS that the DG had) was made up of a few dozen of these MPUs. I do remember that their Aviion, the unix machine they came out with later, had that kind of arrangement. The MPUs in that case were the Motorola risc CPU of that time. I forget it's number. But they later changed to either 486 or pentiums. I don't remember which. Only the microcode changed. Nothing else even had to be recompiled. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:51:21 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Stefan wrote: > Steve wrote: > > Using *.BMP files negates the requirement to write the > > compression code of a PCX picture. > > PCX compression is very simple, small an fast. You can do it > in minutes after all your GIF experience. I can give you my > ASM code sniplet from LXPIC and there is also a PCX read/write > demo in the C-- package. > Don't use BMP, the files are huge and 2-color PCX technical > drawings compress extremely good. Okay. PCX eventually. This "simple" draw program will evolve slowly and may eventually do something. Thanks for the code offer, but the whole point of writing a dumb 200LX draw program is a "do it yourself" project. It has already grown well out of proportion due to bad start anyway. Just forget the keep it simple principle for a little while and.... Actually if Daniel wants a neat paint program, the old "PC-Paint" would work well except for lack of PCX output. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:33:22 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > > Sorry, its my computer, I paid for the software, I neither had a > chance to negoiate or sign a contract or users agreement. It is my > software- I own it. Does this mean you have the right to distribute copies of the software you own? Try that with Window$ XP or AutoCad and see how far you get. > Very few individuals keep ongoing connections to the internet. Only those with broadband like Roadrunner or DSL, a growing number. My connection is MUCH faster than the ISDN line at work. > Companies do so though. I don't allow access or updates to _my_ > computer without my knowledge and would immeadiately sue any company > that does so for violation of my property, invasion of my privacy and > damages. Are you sure? Have you run Ad-Aware and found what Double Click loaded onto your system without your knowing? Go ahead and sue. I hope your pockets are as deep as Micro$oft's or AutoDe$k's. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:35:35 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: N Knight In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/31/02-01:19 PM, N Knight wrote: >One of the big problems with these types of laws is you have legislators >voting on this stuff who in most cases don't even know how to turn on a >computer, much less know the slightest thing about how to do anything on it. That is indeed a problem. What do you suggest? They are _still_ the ones you and I send to Congress to make laws for us. >Another big problem is when it comes to computers the laws are mnay years >behind the technology. This is NOT problem if the technology is so far different from the enacted law. In this case, the law simply does not cover the item and the market determines much of what actually happens, not the legislature. Still, what remains is that unless you and others join to convince the legislators to vote as you want, not as the lobbyists want. To pretend that because you do not like a law it does not exist is foolhardy. To pretend that legal concepts such as ownership mean what _you_ want them mean is foolhardy and really not worth spending time arguing about. Did you have a chance to read the material in the links I gave you? I am not trying to get you to be more mad, but to move past it into proactive action and make good use of that "mad energy" to defeat the UCITA. All the best! Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:46:29 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a hoax? Gee, six months ago, I successfully cashed a certified bearer bond for $9,950,000 from Nigeria, which was minus the $50,000 I fronted them for various fees, etc. Of course, I've had to take up cigar smoking so that I can use $100 bills to light them... :^) David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:13:16 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: "David R. Birch" In-Reply-To: <3D484CA5.65ACAFA1@wi.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 7/31/02-03:46 PM, you wrote: >This is a hoax? Gee, six months ago, I successfully cashed a certified >bearer bond for $9,950,000 from Nigeria, which was minus the $50,000 I >fronted them for various fees, etc. Of course, I've had to take up cigar >smoking so that I can use $100 bills to light them... :^) Man, you got the harder side of life! Cigar-smoking? ooof... That's tough! I could not believe that people actually fell for the scheme. They were interviewed on some TV program, and I also read an article somewhere in a paper that is held in high esteem - something like Washington Post, WSJ, or so. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:43:27 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <010a01c238d1$c3c23440$f00d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:34:32 -0500, you wrote: > >You haven't heard? That's where it's going. MS and a number of >other publishers are already starting to do this experimentally. >They can charge by the year or, what seems to be MS favorite idea, >according to some things I read, is charging by the minute while >you use a program. > >That's part of what MS's .net is about. That would really be a pain for mobile users. Imagine having to wait until you have a internet connection to use a piece of software. That would be just nuts. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:59:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: "David R. Birch" In-Reply-To: <3D484992.315D617D@wi.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:33:22 -0500, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >>=20 >> Sorry, its my computer, I paid for the software, I neither had a >> chance to negoiate or sign a contract or users agreement. It is my >> software- I own it. > >Does this mean you have the right to distribute copies of the software >you own? Try that with Window$ XP or AutoCad and see how far you get. > Bwaaa....really silly statement. >> Very few individuals keep ongoing connections to the internet. > >Only those with broadband like Roadrunner or DSL, a growing number. My >connection is MUCH faster than the ISDN line at work. Growing too slowly. I know one person who uses DSL. He was a system administrator. The rest (who are simply users) use a plain old modem connection. The fact is is taht most users doesn't need or want much more than a modem and don't see the extra cost for DSL or ROadrunner worth it. When you spend all of a few hours a month using the internet at home who needs high speed connections? So you can download email faster? Who cares. > >> Companies do so though. I don't allow access or updates to _my_ >> computer without my knowledge and would immeadiately sue any company >> that does so for violation of my property, invasion of my privacy and >> damages. > >Are you sure? Have you run Ad-Aware and found what Double Click loaded >onto your system without your knowing? Go ahead and sue. I hope your >pockets are as deep as Micro$oft's or AutoDe$k's. Bwaaa.....Incredibly silly statement. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:11:31 -0500 Reply-To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tom Salwasser Subject: OT: Norton Antivirus Definitions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the off topic post, but I know there are lots of gurus on this list. I hope someone has experience updating Norton Antivirus definitions offline. I'm getting nowhere with Symantec. The problem arises because the machine I'm trying to update has no internet connection, no modem. Why worry about viruses you say? This machine reads floppies and other media that may be infected and I need the protection. After I install NAV, I cannot update the virus definitions. I have other machines protected by NAV that I keep updated via the internet with the latest virus definitions. How can transfer these updates offline? Thanks for your help. Regards, Tom Salwasser ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:24:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Backup in the very least and either put in lithium or pull the batteries completely. If it was me, I would pull the batteries and do a restore when I got back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Wolfe" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM > I will be abroad for eight weeks and cannot carry my 200LX. > How do I preserve the RAM? Obviously I have a complete back > up on my desktop and a zipped b/u on a storage card. > > Back-up, remove all batteries, restore after return? (Also > must restore Tech RAM on my x2,32mb 200LA). > Turn off but plug into adapter? > Turn on and plug into adapter? > Use Lithium AA's? > > Your thoughts and experiences appreciated. > Norm Wolfe > (I rely heavily on the 200lx calc, now that the HP41 went > TU!) > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:27:43 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: OT: Linux Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is what Linux reported. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:08:47 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you do choose to leave the batteries in (lithium of course), make sure you check the Appointment book and remove any appointments and alarms that might go off and wake the palmtop while you are away. bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:18:59 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Penick wrote: > If you do choose to leave the batteries in (lithium of course), make sure > you check the Appointment book and remove any appointments and alarms that > might go off and wake the palmtop while you are away. Just exit Sysmgr and you'll shut down the appointment book too. I would put in Lithiums (or Alkalines) and leave it on an AC adapter which is how I store my backup LXs. Also let me say THANKS! for one of the Very FEW On Topic posts. The off topic noise level is getting so bad it's approaching the point where I question if it's worth my time to look for LX related material. (Hint Hint) Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:33:59 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Topiics: was TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:18:59 +0000, you wrote: > >Also let me say THANKS! for one of the Very FEW On Topic posts. >The off topic noise level is getting so bad it's approaching the >point where I question if it's worth my time to look for LX >related material. (Hint Hint) > How true. Its amazing how many off topic posts there've been lately.=20 John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:40:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Pop mail client for Minix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found a pop mail client. It would work in Minix on the LX but it is written for 32 bit minix. The guy would ported it to Minix described how to port it to 16 bit so if anyone is looking for a project for Minix you could port it. If you want the souirce email me privately. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:17:33 -0500 Reply-To: "David R. Birch" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "David R. Birch" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:33:22 -0500, you wrote: > > >John Musielewicz wrote: > >> > >> Sorry, its my computer, I paid for the software, I neither had a > >> chance to negoiate or sign a contract or users agreement. It is my > >> software- I own it. > > > >Does this mean you have the right to distribute copies of the software > >you own? Try that with Window$ XP or AutoCad and see how far you get. > > > > Bwaaa....really silly statement. I suppose that's easier to type than presenting a thoughtful response. > Growing too slowly. I know one person who uses DSL. He was a system > administrator. The rest (who are simply users) use a plain old modem > connection. The fact is is taht most users doesn't need or want much > more than a modem and don't see the extra cost for DSL or ROadrunner > worth it. When you spend all of a few hours a month using the internet > at home who needs high speed connections? So you can download email > faster? Who cares. You may be surprised to learn that many of us users on the Internet do a lot more than read email. My 79 year old father has Roadrunner, and needs it for what he does online. He's no system administrator, either, but he has been running Magic Number Boxes since C\PM was the hot OS. > Bwaaa.....Incredibly silly statement. I suppose that's easier to type than presenting a thoughtful response. But I repeat myself. You can lead a man to wisdom, but you can't make him think. David ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:59:28 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > Okay. PCX eventually. This "simple" draw program will > evolve slowly and may eventually do something. Thanks for > the code offer, but the whole point of writing a dumb 200LX > draw program is a "do it yourself" project. It has already > grown well out of proportion due to bad start anyway. Just > forget the keep it simple principle for a little while and.... > > Actually if Daniel wants a neat paint program, the old > "PC-Paint" would work well except for lack of PCX output. I've kept looking for the various source code parts of that program. I have all of them now but some have been modified for other purposes. I'm sure I had a backup of just that project at one time but who knows where it's gone. Anyway I'm trying to get the pieces to fit to the point where I can re-compile. When I do I'll make it work on the keyboard correctly. I really think this version wasn't written on the LX but I can't find the version that was. Once I do that and update the help and add a box feature I'll start on the PCX code and make it fit CGA. I don't think it'll be a problem. I also have another version that I wrote on another computer with a few different features that I can add to this. Bezier lines, for example. I also found another later version that I started on the lx one vacation but never went that far with. It was going to have 2 layers, a bitmap layer and a vector based layer. I still kind of like that idea. Maybe that'll be next. If you or anyone else plans to work on a program like this also that's fine. I'd just like to get a copy, too. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml