========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:58:05 -0700 Reply-To: kwmiller@azbcs.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Kevin Miller - ABCS INC." Subject: Re: Norton Antivirus Definitions Comments: To: TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM In-Reply-To: <000d01c238df$3ab1f9c0$0885c0d8@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You want to download the intelligent updater software from the symantec site www.sarc.com and then place it on a cd-r. You can then bring that cd-r to the machine that does not have internet access and run the intelligent updater to update the virus definitions for that machine. The updates usually are 5mb in size.... I do this all the time..... Kevin -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]On Behalf Of Tom Salwasser Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:12 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: OT: Norton Antivirus Definitions Sorry for the off topic post, but I know there are lots of gurus on this list. I hope someone has experience updating Norton Antivirus definitions offline. I'm getting nowhere with Symantec. The problem arises because the machine I'm trying to update has no internet connection, no modem. Why worry about viruses you say? This machine reads floppies and other media that may be infected and I need the protection. After I install NAV, I cannot update the virus definitions. I have other machines protected by NAV that I keep updated via the internet with the latest virus definitions. How can transfer these updates offline? Thanks for your help. Regards, Tom Salwasser ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:20:54 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax > At 7/31/02-03:46 PM, you wrote: > >This is a hoax? Gee, six months ago, I successfully cashed a certified > >bearer bond for $9,950,000 from Nigeria, which was minus the $50,000 I > >fronted them for various fees, etc. Of course, I've had to take up cigar > >smoking so that I can use $100 bills to light them... :^) > > Man, you got the harder side of life! Cigar-smoking? ooof... That's tough! > > I could not believe that people actually fell for the scheme. They were > interviewed on some TV program, and I also read an article somewhere in a > paper that is held in high esteem - something like Washington Post, WSJ, or so. NPR news had a story on this scam the other day. They gave some of it's history. It seems it originated in America when some Englishman came here and got bit by something similar and joined the group who were doing it, on a small scale, and led them to work on a much larger scale. They said that a lot of Francis Drake's heirs came to the United States and his fortune was confiscated. So he began finding the "heirs" and asking them for help getting their fortune for them. He claimed that the amount was so great by then that if England paid it it would bankrupt them, so England was resisting pretty hard. If anyone wants to hear the story it's at http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020729.atc.12.ram Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:52:40 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10h07m ago Norman Wolfe wrote: > Turn off but plug into adapter? good > Turn on and plug into adapter? less good. > Use Lithium AA's? good. Another idea: Put in high-capacity NiMHs, set "charge on", plug in the AC adapter, but with a timer switch, so that it charges, say, every day for 4 hours. The palmtop will (hopefully) switch off - minutes after the chargin has stopped, because it's on batteries then again, will survive one day until the next charging cycle starts, then, if AC is switched on, the palmtop will switch on and charge, and so on. It's something like a time-spread trickle charge. I don't know if it's the safest way, but at least it lets you feel you hvae really done something to prevent data loss. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:19:23 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, now that I got your attention... have a look at the Psion 5MX (or Ericsson MC218). This palmtop which is = about the same size and weight as a HP200LX is available on eBay for about 230 = USD (150 GBP). While its native operating system is EPOC you can install a DOS emulator = (XTM www.nb-info.co.uk/xtminfo.htm ) which happily runs all DOS applications compatible with a 80186. It supports int5f and therefore can run most HP applications including the HP200LX emulator cPack200. Some users have = even managed to run a Palm Pilot emulator under Linux running on the PSION = 5MX. The Psion 5MX uses 2 AA Batteries and has a backlit touch sensitive = 640x240 16 grey levels screen. The touchscreen emualtes a mouse under DOS. It is designed to interact with a GSM phone and has no EMI interference in the = IR port. If you want to test before buying, an EPOC Windows emulator is available = for free from www.symbian.com After a few days of testing I have put together the comparative list = below to help me make a choice between the 200LX and the Psion 5MX. Users for whom Acrobat file reading, backlit screen and GSM connection via IR is a must = will choose the PSION 5MX but there are some trade-offs. I have not yet made my choice, the bad screen contrast, different keyboard and slow DOS emulation (2/3 speed of SS HPLX) make me hesitate. If our talented HPLX hardware gurus were able to design a speed upgrade for the Psion 5MX we would have a very attractive alternative to the aging = HP200LX. *Pros *Cons backlit screen buzzing sound when backlight on High resolution screen (640*240) 16 grey levels bad screen contrast touch screen only one opening angle for the screen Touch screen =3D MS Mouse in DOS DOS emulation (via XTM at GBP30) Slower than a Single speed HP200LX no driver need for my 512MB CF No support for JAM nor Stacker 10 hours on 2 AA NiCd batteries Batteries not recharged in unit Good Keyboard No numeric pad 16MB-24MB RAM no expansion to 32MB-96MB Compact Flash card support no PCMCIA port (only CF) no EMI plaguing the IR circuit free Synchro with MS Outlook Acrobat PDF file reader Good Internet Browser Good eMail/fax/sms application not as flexible as WWW/LX + Robot FAX send and receive over IR Graphic Worksheet application built in voice recorder superior sound card high speed serial port (115kbps) all applications can print to FAX \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:19:25 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Thumbelina Trackball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel, You may just type "Thumbelina TrackBall" in Google and it will yield many pointer including http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/thumbelina.htm It was manufactured by Appoint and I bought one second hand for 15 USD. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:05:17 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure why this is a problem. It seems to me that if you disable anything that would turn on the machine (alarms, etc.), or unduly tax the batteries (like a card in the PCMCIA slot) and have fresh batteries in it, including the backup battery, then it should remain the same as you left it for well beyond 8 weeks. Am I wrong? Did I miss something? But, do a full system backup, just in case. ;-) -- Richard & Patti Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:49:48 +1000 Reply-To: Tim Pitman Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Pitman Subject: Re: HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader In-Reply-To: <3D17A93C0042EFBF@freesurfmta05.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@freesurf.ch) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tried a DOS emulator running on the Nokia 9210 / 9290? This is smaller than the 200lx, still has a fair keyboard, color screen and runs a 66MHz ARM CPU, so may be faster than the 5MX. -----Original Message----- Subject: HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader Well, now that I got your attention... have a look at the Psion 5MX (or Ericsson MC218). This palmtop which is about the same size and weight as a HP200LX is available on eBay for about 230 USD (150 GBP). ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:07:03 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 08h22m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > Backup in the very least and either put in lithium or pull the batteries > completely. If it was me, I would pull the batteries and do a restore = when I > got back. Why that? So you are sure you have to restore, if you leave batteries in, the worst thing which can happeni s you have to restore ad buy a new set of battteries. But probably you even don't have to restore. So where where is the advantage taking the batteries out? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:07:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 07h40m ago Bob Penick wrote: > If you do choose to leave the batteries in (lithium of course), make = sure > you check the Appointment book and remove any appointments and alarms = that > might go off and wake the palmtop while you are away. Good point! Or simply termiate system manager and unload alapim, if you use PIM/PE. Best is to boot to plain DOS without TSRs. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:07:08 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve 10h08m ago Steve wrote: > Actually if Daniel wants a neat paint program, the old > "PC-Paint" would work well except for lack of PCX output. Where could I find it? I'm sure that a program exists which would satisfy me, but I haven't found one yet. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:43:34 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Psion5x (was HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have played with the psion and found some more pros: -Non standard file formats. (I cant send an email with a worksheet or document to someone without the Psion) -Without backlight the screen is REALLY BAD (This is because of the touchscreen) -No international language support (I might be wrong on this But I didnt find it) -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:27:38 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: Web via email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone recomend a good web to email server? I used to have one but it has gone out of busines. I whant to email th URL name to the server and retrive the webpage as an email. /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:05:44 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Russel Brooks wrote: > Bob Penick wrote: > > If you do choose to leave the batteries in (lithium of course), make sure > > you check the Appointment book and remove any appointments and alarms that > > might go off and wake the palmtop while you are away. > > Just exit Sysmgr and you'll shut down the appointment book too. > > I would put in Lithiums (or Alkalines) and leave it on an AC > adapter which is how I store my backup LXs. What is missing on the HP200LX is a COMA-mode, like in the HP28 and HP48 calculators. It was designed exactly for that purpose. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:10:23 +0200 Reply-To: Alexander Schreiber Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Alexander Schreiber Subject: Re: OT: Linux In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 05:13:24PM -0500, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:34 +0200, you wrote: > > >09h37m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > > > >> Does your Linux kernel have paride support in? If it does I can use it for > >> installing a distribution. > > > >These boot disks are from the SuS distribution, and thus have a > >menu-driven module selection for several possible installation devices. > >I don't know if paride is one of them, I fear it's not, but you can > >simply try it. Boot the boot diskette, if you can choose paride, you > >probably need the modules disk, too, to load the module. > > I tried booting the boot disk on my Libretto. It booted but my floppy > drive locked up. As far as I know, the Libretto accesses its floppy via PCMCIA with the BIOS having enough PCMCIA support built in to support this. So, you can load the root image and the kernel from a floppy, but as soon as the kernel has bootet up, the BIOS is out of the loop and, if you don't have PCMCIA-support for Linux active, the floppy is no longer reachable. Basically you need a boot floppy with PCMCIA-Support. > So in this distribution there is no support for the > Libretto floppy drive. Next I put it in my old desktop. There it > worked with the floppy drive however it wouldn't allow me to install > anything but the rescue disk from the flooppy. There isn't anything to install on the SuSE boot floppies - you either need the install CDs/DVD or an install server providing those files (basically the contents of the CDs/DVD) via NFS or FTP to install the system. With only the boot disks and none of the aforementioned install sources available, you can only get the rescue system up and running. Regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derzeit auf Jobsuche: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~als/cv.html ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:25:14 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Web via email? In-Reply-To: <200208010827.KAA07259@d1o905.telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 02h49m ago, on 2002-08-01, Tomas Moberg wrote: > Can anyone recomend a good web to email server? Tomas, somewhere on the web I saw a FAQ on e-mail services. I remember using `agora' for getting html in the old days. > I used to have one but it has gone out of busines. > I whant to email th URL name to the server and retrive the webpage as > an email. It just struck me that that is precisely what ROBOWEB does - you make an outbox message literally "To:" a URL and the page comes back in the inbox (stripped of tags by default, but as an HTML message if you set Detagflag=0). And, ROBOWEB is still in business . In fact you can put your HV.HOT file in the To: line and ROBOWEB will go and get each page out of HV.HOT. By default he does not dig unless you set `Depth' to greater than 1. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:55:21 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax In-Reply-To: <002c01c23912$e9fa8860$950d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:20:54 -0500 Barry a icrit: > If anyone wants to hear the story it's at > http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020729.atc.12.ram and more about the Nigeria scam at : http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:14:32 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: dbirch@WI.RR.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh David:=20 It was about 6:30am when I read this message=2E I did not sleep well, or enough, and I felt a bit crabby, until I reached this:=20 > > Bwaaa=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EIncredibly silly statement=2E >=20 > I suppose that's easier to type than presenting a thoughtful response=2E= > But I repeat myself=2E > > You can lead a man to wisdom, but you can't make him think=2E And then I roared out laughing, scared the doggies half way to death momentarily, the birds in neighbourhood went quiet, and it was just a moment to remember - my entire day changed to "LOVELY, FUNNY, HILARIOUS - GREAT!!!" In short, your observation and encapsulation of it as you did is= just so good! Thank you!=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:15:27 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Psion5x (was HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader) In-Reply-To: <200207011043.PNR03478@netmedia.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Becher wrote: > I have played with the psion and found some more pros: > > -Non standard file formats. > -Without backlight the screen is REALLY BAD > -No international language support Errmm... those are pros? Methinks you meant cons. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:07:57 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:07:03 +0200, you wrote: >08h22m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > >> Backup in the very least and either put in lithium or pull the = batteries >> completely. If it was me, I would pull the batteries and do a restore = when I >> got back. > >Why that? So you are sure you have to restore, if you leave batteries >in, the worst thing which can happeni s you have to restore ad buy a >new set of battteries. But probably you even don't have to restore. So >where where is the advantage taking the batteries out? Well- in the first place I'd take my LX with me:). However I wouldn't leave batteries in because first they'llrun down in 2 months since the LX uses 2 mA when shut off second I would take them out in the odd chance the batteries short or leak. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:27:08 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: <4ufiku0s6ajd2a14m1qnoqmuhl66cvgk86@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but I use alkaline (non-rechargeable) batteries, and have on occasion left my LX (not plugged in to the AC adapter, and with no alarms set) for many months at a time without problems. Once, when I was on about other things, for almost a year. That was my old single speed 100LX. Nowadays, though, I leave my double-speed 200LX plugged in when I'm at my work so it's on AC power. I change batteries every 6-12 months. Of course, I now back up the RAM automatically to the flash card Mon-Wed-Fri (Thanks, Daniel), and the flash card to my desktop manually once a week, so I can always recover from anything except a leaky battery. Fortunately, that's never happened. (Knock, knock). If I were to go off for a couple of months & leave it here, I'd just back the whole thing up to a CD, put in fresh batteries and leave it like it is, alkaline batteries, AC adapter, and all. John -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of John Musielewicz Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:08 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:07:03 +0200, you wrote: >08h22m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > >> Backup in the very least and either put in lithium or pull the batteries >> completely. If it was me, I would pull the batteries and do a restore when I >> got back. > >Why that? So you are sure you have to restore, if you leave batteries >in, the worst thing which can happeni s you have to restore ad buy a >new set of battteries. But probably you even don't have to restore. So >where where is the advantage taking the batteries out? Well- in the first place I'd take my LX with me:). However I wouldn't leave batteries in because first they'llrun down in 2 months since the LX uses 2 mA when shut off second I would take them out in the odd chance the batteries short or leak. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:43:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Web via email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tomas 02h34m ago Tomas Moberg wrote: > Can anyone recomend a good web to email server? > I used to have one but it has gone out of busines. > I whant to email th URL name to the server and retrive the webpage as > an email. Take a solution which doesn't rely on any service and which sits entirely on your palmtop: Roboweb/LX! Soooo flexible and - if you only use standard options - easy to set up and use. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:55:10 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: John McCaskill In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:27:08 -0500, you wrote: > >If I were to go off for a couple of months & leave it here, I'd just = back >the whole thing up to a CD, put in fresh batteries and leave it like it = is, >alkaline batteries, AC adapter, and all. > Anytime I leave alkalines in something they leak. Doesn't matter which brand. I quit using them because of this. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:30:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Anytime I leave alkalines in something they leak. Doesn't matter which brand. I quit using them because of this. I rarely have alkalines leak but it does happy. Funny, isn't it. When alkalines first came on the market nobody would pay the extra money till they started advertising they would never leak and they would replace any device ruined by them. And for a long time it was true. I guess cost cutting got them. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:03:49 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <004701c23981$3ad1fd40$7a0d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:30:37 -0500, you wrote: > >I rarely have alkalines leak but it does happy. Funny, isn't it. >When alkalines first came on the market nobody would pay the extra >money till they started advertising they would never leak and they >would replace any device ruined by them. And for a long time it >was true. I guess cost cutting got them. Possibly. Maybe I just have bad luck and keep getting the bad batch:). I use the lithium metal AA in pretty much everything which I use a non rechargable for. So far I've never had one leak (cross fingers) and they aren't known for leaking so I don't worry to much about that anymore. John > >Barry > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36:50 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 01.08.02 9:24 PM +0200 Hi friends, I'd like to print fro the palmtop using by Linux PC as a serial to parallel converter, i.e. connecting the palmtop via seriall ine to the Linux PC and the printer to the PC's parallel port. Does anyone know how this can be done? For DOS there are these programs like COM2LPT or OMNIPRN, which collect data from the serial port, write it to a file and then send it to the LPT port. I tried to do a similar thing under Linux using dd if=3D/dev/ttyS0 of=3D/dev/lp0 and the printer really started to print when I sent out a print job on the palmtop, but it printed only crap. Maybe a possible reason: I also tried to astablish a serial connection between the palmtop's terminal program and Linux. I thought I had set everything to the correct parameters, 38400 baud, 8n1, but somehow I could not send characters back and forth. Doing a "echo hallo > /dev/ttyS0" on the PC let something like "xxxxxx^xx" appear on the palmtop, in the other direction it didn't work at all. I have set the base_rate usinr setserial on the Linux PC to 38400 baud. What could I be doing wrong? Thanks daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:19:43 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > Anytime I leave alkalines in something they leak. Doesn't matter which > brand. I quit using them because of this. I believe they are more likely to leak when they are exhausted. If you also keep the LX on the AC adapter that should prevent the batteries from discharging and leaking. Batteries seldom leak if they are Not in some device and therefore not discharging. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:13:02 -0400 Reply-To: JEDarroch@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Jacqueline E. Darroch" Subject: Kenya connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know whether I can use WWW/LX and POST/LX for connecting in Nairobi through CSGlobalnet or CSGlobalnet Pus? Compuserve shows access numbers for "CompuServe 2000" and none for the "CompuServe Classic" numbers I usually use. Also - Do I need a special script for connecting in Nairobi? TIA! Jacqui ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:32 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Kenya connections In-Reply-To: <200208012313.TAA03213@siaar2aa.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 46m ago, on 2002-08-01, Jacqueline E. Darroch wrote: > Anyone know whether I can use WWW/LX and POST/LX for > connecting in Nairobi through CSGlobalnet or CSGlobalnet Pus? Hi Jaqui, no I think those Globalnet nodes are for cs2000 dialup only. It is a proprietary dialup that only the cs2000 software dialer can comprehend. > Compuserve shows access numbers for "CompuServe 2000" and > none for the "CompuServe Classic" numbers I usually use. Yup I can only see "EQT" nodes in Tanzania (for example - near to Kenya) - max speed 9600 baud and they come with a big surcharge, and they would need a special WWW/LX script AFAIK. Even in South Africa I only see "UUD" nodes with a $10/hour surcharge. If you want to use those I do have a "UUD" script for WWW/LX that works from here (our surcharge is $4/hr). Also I have modified an accis4 script to work with UUD. The best bet may be to find a local cheap Kenyan ISP. Maybe someone here has uses ispkenya.com for example. Or, to dial long distance back to your regular number in the States. Good Luck! - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: Russel Brooks In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:19:43 +0000, you wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >> Anytime I leave alkalines in something they leak. Doesn't matter which >> brand. I quit using them because of this. > >I believe they are more likely to leak when they are exhausted. >If you also keep the LX on the AC adapter that should prevent >the batteries from discharging and leaking. > >Batteries seldom leak if they are Not in some device and >therefore not discharging. > Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. Hmm..which to pick. Possibly leaking batteries or a burned out house. I would pick the leaky batteries. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:57:07 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Kenya connections In-Reply-To: <20020802003056.3CE8314057@dragon.actrix.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 01h27m ago, on 2002-08-02, Tony Hutchins wrote: > Even in South Africa I only see "UUD" nodes with a $10/hour > surcharge. If you want to use those I do have a "UUD" script > for WWW/LX that works from here (our surcharge is $4/hr). Also > I have modified an accis4 script to work with UUD. Opps, "UUD" should be "UUG" above. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:08:55 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I know this was recently discussed, but what's the max. CF card the 200LX can access w/o drivers? I'm considering ways to transport/synch work files between 2-3 computers and might just use a CF card. The bonus is that I can access/edit/use some of the files on the LX too (and use the CF card as the LX's extra storage, when not moving/synching files). I MAY accumulate too many work files (PowerPoint junk) to make this work...... TIA for any input. --tim My "ideal" would be one of those new, cool 20-30 GB USB2 HDDs, anyone come up w/ a way for the LX to access USB yet? I'd *BUY* the adapter for that(!) .... Hint to all the "closet soldering/tinkering geniuses" out there . But, keep in mind, I don't want to use a whole laptop as my LX adapter [and then plug the LX in thru a cable :-( ]. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:28:00 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Web via email? In-Reply-To: <200208010827.KAA07259@d1o905.telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 18h38m ago, on 2002-08-01, Tomas Moberg wrote: > Can anyone recomend a good web to email server? Tomas, I just found www.expita.com which is dedicated to using e-mail for everything and I see this which seems the nearest to Sweden:- www4mail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de just e-mail them a message with help in the body. Their limits are 150 docs in 7 days, and 6MB. - Tony ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:58:48 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: Psion5x (was HPLX with Backlight, Mouse and Acrobat reader) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Theodore Heise writes: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Becher wrote: > > > I have played with the psion and found some more pros: > > > > -Non standard file formats. > > -Without backlight the screen is REALLY BAD > > -No international language support > > Errmm... those are pros? Methinks you meant cons. Oops - never send emails in the morning before coffee! -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:18:58 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Comments: To: jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I dunno sometimes about you=2E=2E=2E=20 On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 you wrote:=20 > Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a > really bad idea=2E The power supply could short out and start a fire=2E I am in panic about all these refrigerators and freezers in inumerable garages and basements=2E Freezers in shops=2E Adapters on phones, on compu= ters, adapters on radios - whatever=2E And many of them unregulated=2E Oh gosh -= the fires all over the country=2E=2E=2E We are going up in flames=2E=2E=2E Giv= e me a break=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:23:30 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: palmtop@SBCGLOBAL.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has to do with the electronics in the card not size=2E=20 >Subject: I should know but=2E=2E=2E Max CF Size for 200LX? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:10:35 +0200 Reply-To: Tomas Moberg Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tomas Moberg Subject: NC4 and LxPic? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi! Has anyone tried to use lxpic in Norton commander 4 instead of bitmap.exe? So that NC4 uses lxpic when I press F3 to view a image. /tomas moberg Uppsala ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:33:05 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Comments: cc: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <7780-2200285251858572@M2W038.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There goes Avi- torching the neighborhood. Hmm...the thing about it is who cares about you? But your poor neighbors. They end up paying for your stupidity. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:18:58 -0400, you wrote: >John, I dunno sometimes about you...=20 That's only because you are ignorant and lack common sense. > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 you wrote:=20 > >> Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a >> really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. > >I am in panic about all these refrigerators and freezers in inumerable >garages and basements. Freezers in shops. Adapters on phones, on = computers, >adapters on radios - whatever. And many of them unregulated. Oh gosh - = the >fires all over the country... We are going up in flames... Give me a = break. > >Avi Grow up. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:01:26 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: Tim In-Reply-To: <200208012208.55290.palmtop@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:08:55 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I know this was recently discussed, but what's the max. CF >card the 200LX can access w/o drivers? I understand, from what has been reported, Sandisk needs one if you go over 220 meg. I have heard it varies from brand to brand but I haven't been successful using any card over 220 meg without the acecard driver.=20 > > >My "ideal" would be one of those new, cool 20-30 GB USB2 >HDDs, anyone come up w/ a way for the LX to access USB yet? >I'd *BUY* the adapter for that(!) .... Hint to all the >"closet soldering/tinkering geniuses" out there . >But, keep in mind, I don't want to use a whole laptop as my >LX adapter [and then plug the LX in thru a cable :-( ]. USB might work since it doesn't require a 32 bit buss (it wouldn't be up to the standards though and couldn't be called usb) but someone would have to make a 16 bit pcmcia card with it. It would take more than just some tinkering. If the LX had an ISA buss which it doesn't it would be much easier and on the level of your basement techy tinker. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:01:32 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, John Musielewicz wrote: > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:18:58 -0400, you wrote: > > > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 you wrote: > > > >> Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a > >> really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. > > > >I am in panic about all these refrigerators and freezers in inumerable > >garages and basements. Freezers in shops. Adapters on phones, on computers, > >adapters on radios - whatever. And many of them unregulated. Oh gosh - the > >fires all over the country... We are going up in flames... Give me a break. > > Grow up. Please John, take into consideration that some people might have a different point of view than yours. I agree that Avi should maybe have added a few smileys, to make it clearer that his reply was ironic, but you could have figured out by yourself. When you're on holidays, do you really stop all your electric equipments? My wife would like to, I don't. So I leave everything plugged, and some of them still working (the fridge, VCR, answer machine, one of my PCs, ADSL modem, hub, ...) When I'm here, they don't burn. Why should they burn when I'm not here? In fact, when an electric equipment goes burning, something's getting wrong on the electrical line (sorry for these badly choosen words, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out what I want to talk about), and your main switchers then go off, thus stopping the heat (and most of the time the fire). -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:29:53 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A17.EBE35C00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A17.EBE35C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable found a copy of Norton Editor lurking on an old floppy the other day, it is a small programmers editor, I remember using it=20 to edit autolisp routines on autocad as it can find matching brackets = etc. It is a small com file (32k) and has on line help (F1), info (F2) and = command (F3). If anyone needs help to find a copy please e-mail me, Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk regards, Kerwin Robertson ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A17.EBE35C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
found a copy of Norton Editor lurking on an old floppy the other = day,
it=20 is a small programmers editor, I remember using it
to edit = autolisp=20 routines on autocad as it can find matching brackets etc.
It is a small com file (32k) and has on line help (F1), info (F2) = and=20 command (F3).

If anyone needs help to find a copy please e-mail me,
 
Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk

regards,

Ke= rwin=20 Robertson

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A17.EBE35C00-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:35:13 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit found a copy of Norton Editor lurking on an old floppy the other day, it is a small programmers editor, I remember using it to edit autolisp routines on autocad as it can find matching brackets etc. It is a small com file (32k) and has on line help (F1), info (F2) and command (F3). If anyone needs help to find a copy please e-mail me, Email: rsa@rsc.co.uk regards, Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:37:13 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A18.F2385780" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A18.F2385780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops, think I double posted by mistake, too early in the morning,=20 need caffeine....... ;-) Kerwin Robertson ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A18.F2385780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
oops,
think I double posted by mistake,
too early in the morning,
need caffeine.......
 
;-)

Kerwin Robertson
 
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A18.F2385780-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:32:44 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John and Avi, please stop your flame war or take it off the list! It is not wanted here. I already said that some weeks ago. The two crying children are coming back ;-) GTX daniel 03h53m ago John Musielewicz wrote: > There goes Avi- torching the neighborhood. Hmm...the thing about it is > who cares about you? But your poor neighbors. They end up paying for > your stupidity. > [...] -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:35:21 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, A little humor is OK, but let's not start "mud slinging"! My mother was always one to disconnect the TV, the microwave, toaster oven when we went on holiday(but not the 'fridge, etc...) I assumed it was so if we got robbed while away, the perps couldn't have a snack and watch telley after a few hours of ransacking. I guess they could however have a cold drink while they went about their business -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]On Behalf Of John Musielewicz Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:33 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] There goes Avi- torching the neighborhood. Hmm...the thing about it is who cares about you? But your poor neighbors. They end up paying for your stupidity. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:18:58 -0400, you wrote: >John, I dunno sometimes about you... That's only because you are ignorant and lack common sense. > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 you wrote: > >> Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a >> really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. > >I am in panic about all these refrigerators and freezers in inumerable >garages and basements. Freezers in shops. Adapters on phones, on computers, >adapters on radios - whatever. And many of them unregulated. Oh gosh - the >fires all over the country... We are going up in flames... Give me a break. > >Avi Grow up. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:41:12 -0500 Reply-To: John McCaskill Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John McCaskill Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Comments: To: John Musielewicz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta say, I'm with Avi on this one. John -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of John Musielewicz Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:33 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] There goes Avi- torching the neighborhood. Hmm...the thing about it is who cares about you? But your poor neighbors. They end up paying for your stupidity. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:18:58 -0400, you wrote: >John, I dunno sometimes about you... That's only because you are ignorant and lack common sense. > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0500 you wrote: > >> Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a >> really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. > >I am in panic about all these refrigerators and freezers in inumerable >garages and basements. Freezers in shops. Adapters on phones, on computers, >adapters on radios - whatever. And many of them unregulated. Oh gosh - the >fires all over the country... We are going up in flames... Give me a break. > >Avi Grow up. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:55:46 -0400 Reply-To: Sales@Systems-Consulting.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Paul Anderson@Systems-Consulting" Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge, the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be cautious about leaving my 200LX connected to power for any long time unattended. I don't think that was the intended method of use, unlike a refrigerator, microwave, etc. Thanks, Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting here since 1992 89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 tel:(860)627-5393 web: http://Systems-Consulting.com > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:59:32 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Daniel wrote: > > Actually if Daniel wants a neat paint program, the old > > "PC-Paint" would work well except for lack of PCX output. > > Where could I find it? > I'm sure that a program exists which would satisfy me, but I haven't > found one yet. Hi Daniel, It was bundled with the early Mouse Systems Mouse. A small program that supported up to EGA modes in the version I used. That should give you an idea of the time frame involved. It looks like people "cleaned up" some of the old software here so I'll see if I made a copy somewhere. Look in abandonware sites for CGA? Good three button support. (I loved showing that feature off to Macintosh users, hee, hee.) Come to think of it, I've never used it without a mouse, so it may require one. I've actually got my draw program drawing pixels now. When it's in some sort of usable shape I'll post, as Barry asked to see other programs like his. After Barry and Stefan's admonish- ments, I'll see what I have to support PCX files. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:12:26 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A2E.A14D4EA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A2E.A14D4EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, me again, several of you have requested the instructions for making an LX Mouse, I would be grateful if you could let me know if there are any problems, suggestions,hints,tips,revisions etc. that you have with the = instructions or the execution of the modifications. The comments will be compiled into a list and the instructions revised = accordingly. The list will be appended to the end of the instructions and will be = available for=20 all to see on this list. I don't mind if the comments are positive or negative, they all count! I would be grateful if anyone has a source for the connector that I use=20 (2.5 inch ide connectors - for laptop hard drives) I am on the process of revising the instructions to include a table to allow you to write in the colours of the wires to make the = connections=20 a little easier to figure out. best regards, Kerwin Robertson ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A2E.A14D4EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, me again,
 
several of you have requested the instructions for making an LX=20 Mouse,
I would be grateful if you could let me know if there are any=20 problems,
suggestions,hints,tips,revisions etc. that you have with the=20 instructions
or the execution of the modifications.
 
The comments will be compiled into a list and the instructions = revised=20 accordingly.
The list will be appended to the end of the instructions and will = be=20 available for
all to see on this list.
 
I don't mind if the comments are positive or negative, they all=20 count!
 
I would be grateful if anyone has a source for the connector that I = use=20
(2.5 inch ide connectors - for laptop hard drives)
 
I am on the process of revising the instructions to include a = table
to allow you to write in the colours of the wires to make the = connections=20
a little easier to figure out.
 
best regards,
 

Kerwin Robertson
 
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C23A2E.A14D4EA0-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:15:50 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Comments: To: erwann@ABALEA.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erwann, =20 I am committing to post no more than 3 replies, probably no more than 2 (this and one other post) on this thread=2E I want to reply to your post because it has some "meat"=2E=20 There were other type of posts: Agreeing with me - thank you=2E And some quick to label John and/or I as "[something]"=2E I have no comment on this= =2E=20 << I agree that Avi should maybe have added a few smileys, to make it clearer that his reply was ironic,>> Nah! I meant every word, I worry about all the plugged and unsupervised appliances=2E I am sure I put some smileys there, no? At least it felt= like it when I wrote it=2E << When you're on holidays, do you really stop all your electric equipment= s? My wife would like to, I don't=2E So I leave everything plugged, and some = of them still working (the fridge, VCR, answer machine, one of my PCs, ADSL modem, hub, =2E=2E=2E) >> hey, hey - no smileys? Seriously, that was my point=2E I worry more about = the toilet's gaskets failing and a flood than power adapters and appliances continuing to run=2E=20 << When I'm here, they don't burn=2E Why should they burn when I'm not here?>>=20 But that is just it: The mortal fear of travellers is "did I turn of the stove?" "Did I turn off the faucet?" "What about the iron?" My friends J&J= just left on Wednesday afternoon on a trip to Greece and Turkey, wrote bac= k from the first Internet cafe they found in Amsterdam: "Is the water off? I= s the stove off? is the iron off?" I asked back if they turned it on before they left=2E Answer (from an internet Cafe in Atens ) was "not that I recall, but make sure!" I replied the iron water, stove and iron wer= e off, should I close the refrigerator door or did they leave it open and running for a reason? As a habit, I turn off some items, lights, iron, stove, but this is to sav= e money, or the appliances in question are really not designed for long term= on state=2E I think the Palmtop is, and the adapters in general are (yes, there could be some shoddy cheap ones - don't buy crappy things like this=2E= ) << In fact, when an electric equipment goes burning, something's =2E=2E=2E= >> I think you are right=2E In most cases it is spikes that cause problems to= cheaps parts that cannot absorb them=2E For example a 400V spike in the current may damage some parts that are too cheap=2E Happened to me with a very cheapo Radio Shack adapter I used for the Palmtop=2E And in fact, it burned the Palmtop's power circuitry somewhere=2E Machine worked, but only= on batteries=2E HP fixed it years ago=2E I threw away the cheapo adapter=2E A= t $30-40, the HP adapter was good insurance=2E Thaddeus' adapters are pretty= good too=2E I spoke with the designer and the parts are apprarently rated = for extreme duty=2E=20 Anyway, I think warnings on appropriate usage are good here - we tend to forget over time what the limitations are, but panic-driven advice is not good advice=2E=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:26:55 -0400 Reply-To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Norman Wolfe Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for your informative suggestions. Here is what I plan to do: - fresh lithium AA batteries, not recharagables. - drop to dos, removing SysMgr (or boot from my card, which boots to dos). - plug in 12v, 4Ah wet cell (Yes, 4.0 Amp Hour, weighs about 5 pounds, use it to recharge cell phone when boating). - remove Sandisk 64K CF storage card and its PCMCIA adapter (probably not necessary). - turn OFF computer. When I plug in the adapter and turn on the HPLX, Buddy shows "Adapter". Then if I turn off the 110v to the adapter, but leave it plugged into the HPLX, Buddy shows "Battery". So, I think the 4Ah wet cell, plugged into the adapter socket, will power the HPLX until it runs out, then the internal AA's will take over. ps. The HP F1011A adapter, 110/220 regulated, will be with me to recharge my Palm, a Handera 330 with Handera's rechargeable battery. It is smaller and lighter than my HPLX, although not as versatile. Works great with a 4 inch cable I made to change polarity and plug size. Norm Wolfe, Washington, DC ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:00:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Oh,no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity:,preserving RAM] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 29m ago hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > As a habit, I turn off some items, lights, iron, stove, but this is to = save > money, or the appliances in question are really not designed for long = term > on state. I think the Palmtop is, and the adapters in general are (yes, > there could be some shoddy cheap ones - don't buy crappy things like = this.) The only thing _I_ worry about is the heat generated when charing batteries in the LX. So my initial suggestion, chargin with a timer, is maybe really not so good for the palmtop"s life. But hey, I charge batteries every night for years now in my palmtop, and it still works well. > I think you are right. In most cases it is spikes that cause problems = to > cheaps parts that cannot absorb them. For example a 400V spike in the > current may damage some parts that are too cheap. Happened to me with a Against spikes there are such protectors to plug into the power outlet between the outlet and the computers. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:00:48 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Norman 26m ago Norman Wolfe wrote: > - plug in 12v, 4Ah wet cell (Yes, 4.0 Amp Hour, weighs about > 5 pounds, use it to recharge cell phone when boating). :-) This was a thing I also wanted to suggest, but forgot. I have had a 7Ah battery (about 6 kg!) for powering light in the cellar, replaced it now with a real car battery with 35 Ah. Used that to power my LX in the cellar, too. > When I plug in the adapter and turn on the HPLX, Buddy > shows "Adapter". Then if I turn off the 110v to the adapter, > but leave it plugged into the HPLX, Buddy shows "Battery". > So, I think the 4Ah wet cell, plugged into the adapter > socket, will power the HPLX until it runs out, then the > internal AA's will take over. Correct. Good luck, may the data safety be with you! ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:10:50 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Musielewicz" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:08:55 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I know this was recently discussed, but what's the max. CF >card the 200LX can access w/o drivers? > > > > I understand, from what has been reported, Sandisk needs one if you go > over 220 meg. I have heard it varies from brand to brand but I haven't > been successful using any card over 220 meg without the acecard > driver. I heard the same thing and when I got a 256 meg Sandisk for my mp3 player I tried it out in my 200lx and it works just fine. Maybe above 220 meg some do and some don't. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:15:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:29 AM Subject: Norton Editor > found a copy of Norton Editor lurking on an old floppy the other day, > it is a small programmers editor, I remember using it > to edit autolisp routines on autocad as it can find matching brackets etc. > It is a small com file (32k) and has on line help (F1), info (F2) and command (F3). Thanks for the nostalgia. I used that for a while at work, too. It wasn't bad for simple stuff at all. Do I remember right that it would edit 2 files, but not more? I remember Word Perfect's programers editor PE also edited 2 files simultaneously. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:23:28 -0700 Reply-To: Ian Butler Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ian Butler Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? In-Reply-To: <003c01c23a36$e1109300$040d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > I heard the same thing and when I got a 256 meg Sandisk for my mp3 > player I tried it out in my 200lx and it works just fine. Maybe above > 220 meg some do and some don't. My understanding is that the real maximum size card that can be used without a driver in the 200LX is 256MB. But for a long time there were no 256MB cards, only 220MB, 350MB, 440MB ... and so 220MB was used as the de facto cutoff point. When 256MB CF cards started coming out, then the real limit was discovered. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:26:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Stocker, Michael" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Stocker, Michael" Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know how SanDisk came up with such odd card capacities? Michael -----Original Message----- From: Ian Butler [mailto:ianb@HPLX.NET]=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:23 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > I heard the same thing and when I got a 256 meg Sandisk for my mp3 > player I tried it out in my 200lx and it works just fine. Maybe above > 220 meg some do and some don't. My understanding is that the real maximum size card that can be used without a driver in the 200LX is 256MB. But for a long time there were = no 256MB cards, only 220MB, 350MB, 440MB ... and so 220MB was used as the = de facto cutoff point. When 256MB CF cards started coming out, then the = real limit was discovered. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:33:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > It was bundled with the early Mouse Systems Mouse. A small > program that supported up to EGA modes in the version I used. > That should give you an idea of the time frame involved. It > looks like people "cleaned up" some of the old software here > so I'll see if I made a copy somewhere. Look in abandonware > sites for CGA? Good three button support. (I loved showing > that feature off to Macintosh users, hee, hee.) Come to think > of it, I've never used it without a mouse, so it may require > one. I may have a CGA copy of that. I think I saw it the other day while looking for the source to my program. But I don't think it would be usable without a mouse. I also have EasyCad 2, which came bundled with MS mouse drivers as well. I think at one time I tried it and it worked on the LX, but I'm not sure. If so, it might be a good choice without a mouse. While it has a good mouse interface, like Autocad the mouse interface is just a shell to the command line interface, which is more complete. And I think it'll even take scripts for repeated actions. I think. > I've actually got my draw program drawing pixels now. When > it's in some sort of usable shape I'll post, as Barry asked to > see other programs like his. After Barry and Stefan's admonish- > ments, I'll see what I have to support PCX files. Admonishment? I'm the one that said PCX isn't difficult. I have the source code for loading and saving PXC files on the 95lx (I think it's the 95. It could be mode 6 on the 100lx I guess). I do remember it's for mono. Let me know if you want it. I got mine compiling now but the code doesn't all work together. So far everything but the line drawing and sometimes the help works fine and the line drawing is almost working. The help still needs help. I got the various source parts from different backups, years apart. This is more programming than I've done in a few years. :) Let me know how far you plan to take this. If you intend to write a pretty complete program, there's no point in duplicating your effort. And I have a couple of other ideas (old ideas I just never got around to) for palmtop programs that I can work on. One is completing a mouseless vector based drawing program I started, assuming I can find most of it's parts now. And the other is to do a little toy animation program where you can easily make little 2D animated cartoons with block moves and moving sprites. And probably music. The vector based program would be the most useful, I suppose, but it's in C and I'm enjoying the asm. Asm would be perfect for the animation program. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:36:35 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? > several of you have requested the instructions for making an LX Mouse, > I would be grateful if you could let me know if there are any problems, > suggestions,hints,tips,revisions etc. that you have with the instructions >or the execution of the modifications. For years I've thought the answer to an LX mouse is an emulator for the keyboard. But I've just never been able to come up with a satisfactory design. One that will really do what a mouse needs to do and still be fairly intuitive and work with existing mouse infested software. Maybe it can't be done. But, maybe someone has an idea for that. Anyone? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:40:47 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yup, seems to do the 2 file thing, it was great when doing lisp as it showed the corresponding nested bracket, a godsend in lisp! Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Ron Shanks Associates ; Sent: 02 August 2002 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:29 AM Subject: Norton Editor > found a copy of Norton Editor lurking on an old floppy the other day, > it is a small programmers editor, I remember using it > to edit autolisp routines on autocad as it can find matching brackets etc. > It is a small com file (32k) and has on line help (F1), info (F2) and command (F3). Thanks for the nostalgia. I used that for a while at work, too. It wasn't bad for simple stuff at all. Do I remember right that it would edit 2 files, but not more? I remember Word Perfect's programers editor PE also edited 2 files simultaneously. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:46:39 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: Ian Butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Butler" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > > > I heard the same thing and when I got a 256 meg Sandisk for my mp3 > > player I tried it out in my 200lx and it works just fine. Maybe above > > 220 meg some do and some don't. > > My understanding is that the real maximum size card that can be used > without a driver in the 200LX is 256MB. But for a long time there were no > 256MB cards, only 220MB, 350MB, 440MB ... and so 220MB was used as the de > facto cutoff point. When 256MB CF cards started coming out, then the real > limit was discovered. Thank you for the explanation. That makes sense. However, what happens when they come out with a 260 meg card? Will we discover a new limit? :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:14 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > yup, seems to do the 2 file thing, > it was great when doing lisp as it showed the corresponding nested bracket, > a godsend in lisp! I didn't remember that it did that, but PE, Word Perfect's editor, did it and that was the first time I saw that feature. I didn't use Norton's editor enough to learn all it's features. I'll bet some of us oldsters have some interesting old software that has been largely forgotten. I know I have a few hundred old 5.25 disks full of odd stuff. I had free access to nearly every program on earth at work and I always felt free to take copies home because part of my job was trying out all the software and there wasn't time for that at work. I still have a lot of it. Maybe we should accumulate some of this stuff somewhere so it'll stay available. I'm comfortable with the concept and the morality of abandonware, as long as it's not an excuse for piracy. And, those of you who refuse to make that distinction, at least acknowledge, please, that it is a distiction that can be made by honest people. (if you need to say "otherwise honest people" that's ok. :) I really hate to see our history disappear. Any ideas? Anybody? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:01:05 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well personally, I'd rather have my house burn down and my batteries go dead, too, than to be on a techie listserve with a flame war about whether to turn the freezer off before you go someplace. I'm sorry, Avi and John, but I think you're both being very childish. And Barry, you're being just as childish for letting yourself be drawn into this nonsense so cut it out. And please stop that damn top posting, Barry! I hate when you do that! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Erwann, I am committing to post no more than 3 replies, probably no more than 2 (this and one other post) on this thread. I want to reply to your post because it has some "meat". There were other type of posts: Agreeing with me - thank you. And some quick to label John and/or I as "[something]". I have no comment on this. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:22:13 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good idea! I'm in, anyone else????? I have a few of the very first coverdisks that came on pc magazines with heaps of dos stuff on them, an old wordstar, autocad (might be a bit dodgy on the 'abandonware' principles on that one!), some old games, a program to work out heat loss through walls and roofs in a building (architect by trade you see!!) and several boxes of old floppies with god-knows-what on them, does anyone have anywhere to put them????? What about the SUPER archives??? or is it better to separate it from that???? remember that a lot of these old disks will be approaching 'end of life' for their magnetic coating, if we don't get the stuff somewhere safe soon, it might be lost forever......... Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Ron Shanks Associates ; Sent: 02 August 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > yup, seems to do the 2 file thing, > it was great when doing lisp as it showed the corresponding nested bracket, > a godsend in lisp! I didn't remember that it did that, but PE, Word Perfect's editor, did it and that was the first time I saw that feature. I didn't use Norton's editor enough to learn all it's features. I'll bet some of us oldsters have some interesting old software that has been largely forgotten. I know I have a few hundred old 5.25 disks full of odd stuff. I had free access to nearly every program on earth at work and I always felt free to take copies home because part of my job was trying out all the software and there wasn't time for that at work. I still have a lot of it. Maybe we should accumulate some of this stuff somewhere so it'll stay available. I'm comfortable with the concept and the morality of abandonware, as long as it's not an excuse for piracy. And, those of you who refuse to make that distinction, at least acknowledge, please, that it is a distiction that can be made by honest people. (if you need to say "otherwise honest people" that's ok. :) I really hate to see our history disappear. Any ideas? Anybody? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:35:18 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm, good idea, the problem I can foresee is the control of the cursor, using a mouse gives you a lot of feedback and fine control over the cursor. This is difficult to achieve with a keyboard only solution. I suppose you could employ a 'dampening' feature to take the 'edge' off the key presses. How about one of those little joystick things that you can get for mobile phones that fit over the keys???? Could one of those be adapted to fit on the lx keyboard, in conjunction with a keyboard mouse driver. That could be a neat solution! any ideas??? Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: Sent: 02 August 2002 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? > several of you have requested the instructions for making an LX Mouse, > I would be grateful if you could let me know if there are any problems, > suggestions,hints,tips,revisions etc. that you have with the instructions >or the execution of the modifications. For years I've thought the answer to an LX mouse is an emulator for the keyboard. But I've just never been able to come up with a satisfactory design. One that will really do what a mouse needs to do and still be fairly intuitive and work with existing mouse infested software. Maybe it can't be done. But, maybe someone has an idea for that. Anyone? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:46:25 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > I have a few of the very first coverdisks that came on pc magazines with heaps > of dos stuff on them, an old wordstar, autocad (might be a bit dodgy on the 'abandonware' > principles on that one!), some old games, a program to work out heat loss through walls and > roofs in a building (architect by trade you see!!) and several boxes of old floppies with god-knows-what > on them, does anyone have anywhere to put them????? > > What about the SUPER archives??? or is it better to separate it from that???? > > remember that a lot of these old disks will be approaching 'end of life' for their magnetic coating, > if we don't get the stuff somewhere safe soon, it might be lost forever......... *********************************************** Personally, I don't think that SUPER would be a great place for them. Some attorney from a software company we didn't know was still in operation (and obviously doesn't have a marketing department anymore) might threaten the existence of SUPER and its sponsors. I too have accumulated a few boxes of old 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 DOS apps from the past decades and was worried about their viability. Last year I burned a CD with copies of most of the disks I had. I'd feel better swapping CD's directly with someone than putting it on the net somewhere. But, I'm sure there are other opinions. bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:00:09 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] In-Reply-To: <001801c23a3d$e5feeae0$040d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while ago I posted a message about windows XC for toilets and DOS for = toasters. I think I liked that fluff better than the name calling. This = list is like a school yard sometimes. BTW: Why can't you just back the whole damn thing up to a zip file on = the flash card? I done it lots of times and it works great. You just = gotta back up the F: drive (original C: drive with times2tech drivers) = and the C: drive (times2tech drive). If space is a consideration, flash = memory is cheap now so get a 32MB or greater card dedicated to the = backup. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:01 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of > inactivity: preserving RAM] >=20 >=20 > Well personally, I'd rather have my house burn down and my > batteries go dead, too, than to be on a techie listserve with a > flame war about whether to turn the freezer off before you go > someplace. >=20 > I'm sorry, Avi and John, but I think you're both being very > childish. And Barry, you're being just as childish for letting > yourself be drawn into this nonsense so cut it out. And please > stop that damn top posting, Barry! I hate when you do that! >=20 > Barry >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks > of inactivity: preserving RAM] >=20 >=20 > Erwann, >=20 > I am committing to post no more than 3 replies, probably no more > than 2 > (this and one other post) on this thread. I want to reply to your > post > because it has some "meat". >=20 > There were other type of posts: Agreeing with me - thank you. And > some > quick to label John and/or I as "[something]". I have no comment on > this. >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:27:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Problems :( MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just turned on my 2MB SS 200LX to find Appt thinks there is a password on Appt.abd. Also, if I start Memo, I get a "Divide Overflow" error and I'm kicked out to DOS. I can't get back to Sysmgr without rebooting. The only thing in my Autoexec.bat, other than path and prompt, is abctsr. Any suggestions? Robert A. Feldman robert_feldman@jdedwards.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:32:59 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] Comments: To: Eduardo Seudsnimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at least DOS for toasters and windows XC for toilets was funny in a LOL sort of way. It's good to have a laugh now and again in-between the serious stuff like leaky batteries, electrical fires etc. now, back to designing a fire proof enclosure for a hibernating 200lx.......;-) Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:23:11 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerwin Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > What about the SUPER archives??? or is it better to separate it from > that???? Probably not a good idea. Abandonware isn't totally legal. Neither is robbing banks. :) There used to be someone on this list who had an archive of all kinds of abandonware online. You had to have a password to get in. I haven't been there in so long I don't have the password or the url anymore and I don't remember who it was. But maybe he'll speak up. Or maybe somebody else has some web space. The problem with hiding it is that nobody really knows about it. The problem with not hiding it is that everybody does. It's a dillema. > remember that a lot of these old disks will be approaching 'end of life' for > their magnetic coating, > if we don't get the stuff somewhere safe soon, it might be lost > forever......... I've had a project for a while of moving stuff from my old floppies to CD but it's tedious and I've lost my place and started over twice after ignoring it a few months. But this stuff really should be protected somehow. It's still useful to those of us who love older computers and it's really part of our history. And someday it'll probably be a really important part of our history. I have some old Radio Shack Model 100's and software is made available for that on the web pretty freely. Nobody really cares. The same is true for CP/M stuff. In both cases they do withhold anything that they're asked to by the rightsholders. They're not out to cheat. They just don't want to lose it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:41:23 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? Comments: To: Ron Shanks Associates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? > hmmm, good idea, > the problem I can foresee is the control of the cursor, > using a mouse gives you a lot of feedback and fine control > over the cursor. This is difficult to achieve with a keyboard only solution. > I suppose you could employ a 'dampening' feature to take the 'edge' off the > key presses. Nothing with the keyboard will truly replace a mouse. I've been thinking more in terms of something that will work fairly well, if not be ideal. With the numeric keypad there are 8 directions and if you watch for 2 keys, 16 directions. That's easy enough. The 5 could be a button. So could / or * or whatever, next to the keypad. Or 5 can modify the direction by 11.25 degrees, giving 32 directions. But that gets kind of sloppy. Another idea I've had would be to use the 5 to toggle between 2 modes. Mode 1 would mean north when you hit 8, south when you hit 2, etc. Mode 2 would be to have the direction change slowly to north when 8 is hit. + and - could adjust the rate of change. Still only a partial solution and probably too complex to use in practice. Making a circle would be a miracle. Probably the only practical solution is to provide all these options and a lot more and let the user configure it to work the way he wants. And save configurations so they can be easily switched. But this would mean a lot of work and it still might turn out to be a poor solution. > How about one of those little joystick things that you can get > for > mobile phones that fit over the keys???? > Could one of those be adapted to fit on the lx keyboard, in conjunction with > a keyboard mouse driver. > That could be a neat solution! I'm not familiar with those. But any hardware solution will be rejected by most people. Me for example. I'm all for some nice device that isn't in the way but actually I'd probably not use it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:47:13 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Bob Penick MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Penick" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > I too have accumulated a few boxes of old 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 DOS apps from the > past decades and was worried about their viability. Last year I burned a CD > with copies of most of the disks I had. I'd feel better swapping CD's > directly with someone than putting it on the net somewhere. The problem with that is that it could get very complicated figuring out what you have that I don't have and vice-versa. Also, I don't really want more software. I have more than I'll ever use and I probably should throw a lot of it away. But I just can't. Not till I know it'll still be available somewhere. And that doesn't really make it available. It needs to be archived somehow. There are a lot of abandonware sites that would take it but they come and go so much and anyway, they mostly focus on games. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:53:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Problems :( Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Problems :( > I just turned on my 2MB SS 200LX to find Appt thinks there is a password on > Appt.abd. Also, if I start Memo, I get a "Divide Overflow" error and I'm > kicked out to DOS. I can't get back to Sysmgr without rebooting. > > The only thing in my Autoexec.bat, other than path and prompt, is abctsr. > > Any suggestions? First, back up everything. Get it someplace safe. If you can at this point. Since you can get to Dos you probably can. I don't know what ABCTSR is but the first thing I'd try is to remove that. Next I'd try ctrl-shift-on and clear everything out. Then restore. If it still does it I'd clear it all out again and start restoring one thing at a time (probably starting with the app maniger's data and the PIM data files), till you find the one that causes the problem. I'd say the odds are very high that this is a software problem. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:32:45 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Problems :( MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I copied C: to a flash card and did a Crtl-Shift-On, answering "Y" to wipe out the RAM disk. That got rid of the "Divide Overflow" error. The Appt file is still password protected, with what I don't know. Is it posssible to remove or hack the password if I don't know it? -----Original Message----- From: Barry [mailto:barry@fbtc.net] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:53 PM To: Feldman, Robert; HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: Problems :( First, back up everything. Next I'd try ctrl-shift-on and clear everything out. Then restore. If it still does it I'd clear it all out again and start restoring one thing at a time (probably starting with the app maniger's data and the PIM data files), till you find the one that causes the problem. I'd say the odds are very high that this is a software problem. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:36:52 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Norton Editor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barry wrote: > I > remember Word Perfect's programers editor PE also edited 2 files > simultaneously. Wordperfect for DOS edits two files. The versions of the Wordperfect programmers editor (PE.EXE and ED.EXE) that I've used allow up to nine files (though the easy swapping is only between the first two). Home and the 1 through 9 keys to switch files. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:46:40 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Problems :( In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out Curtis Cameron's Database Checker (use on a copy of your suspect db file of course) found at: http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ (it even checks password protected files). Maybe that software can help you fix whatever's gone wrong w/ your appt.adb. You may also need to try "garlic" ... I don't remember if Curtis' program fixes errors or just finds them.... Also, do a SUPER search for password or HPCRACK and get that file. I've never used it, but it might be able to help you. Did I mention that you should try all these operations on a copy of your file? I've never tried the cracking program, but I've used some of Curtis' software before. Good stuff. Good Luck!! --tim PS. Super's at: http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html in case you lost the link..... ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:00:30 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 02h52m ago Barry wrote: > For years I've thought the answer to an LX mouse is an emulator for > the keyboard. But I've just never been able to come up with a > satisfactory design. One that will really do what a mouse needs to > do and still be fairly intuitive and work with existing mouse > infested software. What about that nomouse driver on SUPER? I thought it was something like you describe. Too bad that I cannot use it, since it doesn't work on German palmtops. Can't it be adapted somehow? Are the sources available? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:00:31 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kerwin 02h11m ago Kerwin Robertson wrote: > What about the SUPER archives??? or is it better to separate it from > that???? As long as there are no problems with law or copyrights, I will cladly put any piece of software which works on the palmtop onto SUPER. I think it is good to have ONE place where palmtoppers can find ANYTHING they want. GTX daniel [S.U.P.E.R. Team] -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:00:33 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: cc: david@hplx.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob (CC to David Sargeant) 01h52m ago Bob Penick wrote: > Personally, I don't think that SUPER would be a great place for them. = Some > attorney from a software company we didn't know was still in operation = (and > obviously doesn't have a marketing department anymore) might threaten = the > existence of SUPER and its sponsors. > I too have accumulated a few boxes of old 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 DOS apps from = the > past decades and was worried about their viability. Last year I burned = a CD > with copies of most of the disks I had. I'd feel better swapping CD's > directly with someone than putting it on the net somewhere. So, what about the idea which appeared here some time ago already, to build a database, or website, listing software, which works on the palmtop, but cannot be published due to copyrights. Every list entry could have a field with a name with email address, showing the person who owns the program and "can tell you something about the program, if there are questions". ;-) That list could be a good addition to the SUPER archive, but since it wouldn't contain any piece of software illegally, it cannot be threatened. Just an idea, I wouldn't do that, because I have so many other things to do, but maybe someone is willing to lead that project? Kerwin seems to be a good candidate for a leader of such a project! ;-) I would maintain the page regarding server upload and template creation, but I would not keep it up to date. Someone else had to do that, and send the updated versions to me so I could upload them. Well, thinking about it, I guess the name/email field should be filled with as many names as possible, because palmtoppers are vanishing more and more, so the chance that an address gets invalid is quite high. I will of course kave to ask David Sargeant if he agrees to that concept, before we can upload something, but if he doesn't agree, I'm sure we could host that page somewhere else. Hey, it's nothing illegal at all! ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:00:10 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barry wrote: > > After Barry and Stefan's admonish- > > ments, I'll see what I have to support PCX files. > Admonishment? I'm the one that said PCX isn't difficult. I have > the source code for loading and saving PXC files on the 95lx (I > think it's the 95. It could be mode 6 on the 100lx I guess). I do > remember it's for mono. Let me know if you want it. Looks like I should have thrown in a smiley. Here you are saying it's easy and this lazy programmer wanted to use BMP's. Admonish, chastise, egg on? I'll give it a go. > This is more programming than I've done in a few years. :) Fun isn't it? One needs a little project every so often. Assembly Fun. :) > Let me know how far you plan to take this. If you intend to write > a pretty complete program, there's no point in duplicating your > effort. Ah, dots, lines, and a couple of other "bright ideas". If or when those fall into place I'll let someone look at it and see if it is as good as yours. I basicly wanted a small, fun project for a week or two's entertainment. At that point I guess whoever wants to use the programs can decide who to beg to implement bug fixes or new features. I guess I wanted to code up something, then look at how someone else did the same thing. Just to see what I didn't think through, or whatever. Learn by doing and seeing what you should have done. That way the lesson might stick. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:35:32 -0600 Reply-To: "Feldman, Robert" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Feldman, Robert" Subject: Re: Problems :( MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" DBCheck found _many_ errors, but Garlic fixed them. :) Thanks to all, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:palmtop@SBCGLOBAL.NET] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:47 PM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Problems :( Check out Curtis Cameron's Database Checker (use on a copy of your suspect db file of course) found at: http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ (it even checks password protected files). Maybe that software can help you fix whatever's gone wrong w/ your appt.adb. You may also need to try "garlic" ... I don't remember if Curtis' program fixes errors or just finds them.... Also, do a SUPER search for password or HPCRACK and get that file. I've never used it, but it might be able to help you. Did I mention that you should try all these operations on a copy of your file? I've never tried the cracking program, but I've used some of Curtis' software before. Good stuff. Good Luck!! --tim PS. Super's at: http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html in case you lost the link..... ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:16:37 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: Ian Butler In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have used a 512MB card for about 3 years now in the Palmtop. No special driver. It is a FULL size PCMCIA card, not a CF. I don't think the limitation has ANYTHING to do with the size of the card, but in fact, with the "engine" on what is the on-card controller capable of. There are larger ATA cards (not CFs) from Sandisk and from others. I tried as high as 800MB on the palmtop. Sandisk's controller needs the driver. Simple Tech's DOES NOT in the high capacities. (No, I did not buy them - waaaay too rich for me.) As to CFs: Their on-card controllers are VERY similar and usually more sophisticated. In the CF format, I only know of one card that needs a driver, namely IBM Microdrive. (But that drive is not really usable, requires too much power.) I have tried once a larger CF - and it read and wrote fine for 10 minutes. I do not recall the size, but it was probably a 512MB, and I think it was a Viking or Simple Tech. Don't know about a Sandisk in that size, probably requires the Ace/Mack driver as many of sandisk's high capacity cards do. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:32:11 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net In-Reply-To: <3D4A889F.FD9F2543@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:26:55 -0400, you wrote: > > When I plug in the adapter and turn on the HPLX, Buddy >shows "Adapter". Then if I turn off the 110v to the adapter, >but leave it plugged into the HPLX, Buddy shows "Battery". >So, I think the 4Ah wet cell, plugged into the adapter >socket, will power the HPLX until it runs out, then the >internal AA's will take over. This is odd. If you have the 12 V cell connected to the adapter slot it should always say adapter whether or not you have an adapter on. The LX looks for 12 volts dc not AC. Are you sure the cell is fully charged? I think if the voltage is less than 9 it'll always say battery. Anyway a 4 ah cell plus the 3 ah lithium should last forever. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:38:24 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Oh No.....the refrigerator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed When I go away I leave everything still plugged in. Although I do make sure to turn the pc off, even with a firewall I don't trust hackers.... The 200lx....I never leave that plugged in when i'm gone. Of course I would have to leave it at home to keep it plugged in.... it never leaves my side so it consequently never stays home.... The refrigerator, vcr, etc. still remain plugged in.....especially where the vcr is set to record stuff..... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:16:07 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Oh No.....the refrigerator Comments: To: N Knight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had a refrigerator short about a month ago and start the floor smoking. Luckily people were there to make sure a fire didn't start. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:38:24 -0400, you wrote: >When I go away I leave everything still plugged in. >Although I do make sure to turn the pc off, even with >a firewall I don't trust hackers.... > >The 200lx....I never leave that plugged in when i'm gone. >Of course I would have to leave it at home to keep it >plugged in.... >it never leaves my side so it consequently never stays home.... > >The refrigerator, vcr, etc. still remain plugged in.....especially >where the vcr is set to record stuff..... > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:25:49 -0400 Reply-To: John J Vanderstel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vanderstel Subject: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Barry and all, >Maybe we should accumulate some of this stuff somewhere so it'll >stay available. I'm comfortable with the concept and the morality >of abandonware, as long as it's not an excuse for piracy. And, >those of you who refuse to make that distinction, at least >acknowledge, please, that it is a distinction that can be made by >honest people. (if you need to say "otherwise honest people" >that's ok. :) > >I really hate to see our history disappear. Any ideas? Anybody? > >Barry I would like to see that too. I'd hate to see so much good abandoned software become unavailable. In fact, it should be easy for someone to offer it all for download from a part of their web site that offers access only to those with a password. That password could be put out on this elist only, to limit access. That would make the probability of any problems very unlikely. If I had a website and knew enough about maintaining one, I'd offer to do it for this group in a heartbeat. Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:13:15 -0400 Reply-To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Norman Wolfe Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John - Perhaps my statement was not clear. I wanted to see if the HPLX would look to the internal AA's for power if a plugged in 12vdc supply (adapter or whatever) were to fail. According to Buddy, the HPLX is smart ennough to do so. If the internal AA's are good and the adapter fails, the HPLX goes back to the AA's even if the adapter is still plugged into the HPLX. For an example of the opposite: my portable radio is not smart enough to do this. When I plug 12vdc into the socket on the side, it switches off the internal battery; if the 12vdc fails, the radio does not operate, even if the internal AA battery is still good. John Musielewicz wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:26:55 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > When I plug in the adapter and turn on the HPLX, Buddy > >shows "Adapter". Then if I turn off the 110v to the adapter, > >but leave it plugged into the HPLX, Buddy shows "Battery". > >So, I think the 4Ah wet cell, plugged into the adapter > >socket, will power the HPLX until it runs out, then the > >internal AA's will take over. > > This is odd. If you have the 12 V cell connected to the adapter slot > it should always say adapter whether or not you have an adapter on. > The LX looks for 12 volts dc not AC. Are you sure the cell is fully > charged? I think if the voltage is less than 9 it'll always say > battery. Anyway a 4 ah cell plus the 3 ah lithium should last forever. > > John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:11:43 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > Leaving any appliance plugged in for two months unsupervised is a > really bad idea. The power supply could short out and start a fire. So when leaving on vacation you unplug your refrigerator, TV, lamps, clocks, and everything else in the house? I doubt it. If a device is UL approved (which I believe the HP stuff to be) then it is just as safe to leave plugged in as major appliances. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:42:42 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Problems :( Comments: To: "Feldman, Robert" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldman, Robert" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Problems :( > I copied C: to a flash card and did a Crtl-Shift-On, answering "Y" to wipe > out the RAM disk. That got rid of the "Divide Overflow" error. The Appt file > is still password protected, with what I don't know. > > Is it posssible to remove or hack the password if I don't know it? I've never used passwords so I don't know the answer to that but I seem to remember a discussion here about how to do it. However, I'd guess that the file is corrupted, not password protected. That's probably just the first symptom and it won't let you past to see the rest of the problems. But who knows! And even if it is corrupted a lot of it might be salvaged. Do you have a recent backup before the problem started? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:49:31 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > Barry wrote: > > > I > > remember Word Perfect's programers editor PE also edited 2 files > > simultaneously. > > Wordperfect for DOS edits two files. The versions of the > Wordperfect programmers editor (PE.EXE and ED.EXE) that I've > used allow up to nine files (though the easy swapping is > only between the first two). Home and the 1 through 9 keys > to switch files. I wonder if I just don't remember that or if it's different on the DG. I used the PC version for a while but not that long. But I used it extensively on the DG mini. Interesting side-note: Word Perfect (and PE) were originally developed on and for DG minis. Then they ported it to Dos when Dos got popular and they got rich. And they soon dropped the DG version since it was small potatos compared to the PC. Even though we paid $30,000 for our copy and $15,000 annually. PE actually came first. Word Perfect grew out of it. Although the reason PE was developed was as a tool to write WP. At least thats what the WP rep told us. I do know that before PE the only editor was a line oriented editor. Remember those? Let's all try to forget them. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:51:27 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Lx mouse, any comments or suggestions????? > What about that nomouse driver on SUPER? I thought it was something > like you describe. Too bad that I cannot use it, since it doesn't work > on German palmtops. Can't it be adapted somehow? Are the sources > available? I don't know. It seems like I looked at that once but it's been a long time and I don't remember it very well. Maybe I'll take another look. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:54:16 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > As long as there are no problems with law or copyrights, I will cladly > put any piece of software which works on the palmtop onto SUPER. > I think it is good to have ONE place where palmtoppers can find > ANYTHING they want. What we're talking about isn't strictly legal and some consider it to be simple piracy, although I don't. There's also the potential for copyright difficulties. I personally don't think it would be a good idea to put this on Super. Super is too important to gamble with it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:58:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Norton Editor > So, what about the idea which appeared here some time ago already, to > build a database, or website, listing software, which works on the > palmtop, but cannot be published due to copyrights. Every list entry > could have a field with a name with email address, showing the person > who owns the program and "can tell you something about the program, if > there are questions". ;-) > > That list could be a good addition to the SUPER archive, but since it > wouldn't contain any piece of software illegally, it cannot be threatened. That sounds like a workable idea but it might bother some people on this list and if this is going to involve the list I think pretty much everyone should approve it first. I don't think it's an adequate idea, though. It won't keep stuff from disappearing. It'll just make it easy to find until it does. We need something that's pretty solid. But in the meantime that might be a good thing to do. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:05:38 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX > I guess I wanted to code up something, then look at > how someone else did the same thing. Just to see what > I didn't think through, or whatever. Learn by doing and > seeing what you should have done. That way the lesson > might stick. I can help with that. I've done it half a dozen different ways. :) While I don't have complete source to any of those I have the essential parts to show how I did it. But nothing I did has any attempt at optimization. Also some of my code is (dare I say it) stolen. I didn't write the line drawing routine. It's something fairly fast that I found somewhere years ago and have used ever since. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:34:32 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: Tim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a Sandisk 256MB CF with no drivers and no problems. Bob Tim wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know this was recently discussed, but what's the max. CF > card the 200LX can access w/o drivers? > -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:47:19 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net In-Reply-To: <3D4B2E2B.ACFE39A3@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see. No worries there. The LX was properly designed. It also isolates the batteries when a external source is plugged in and doesn't use them for any kind of filtering so you will have completely fresh batteries even if you left it plugged into a source for months. John On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:13:15 -0400, you wrote: >John - > >Perhaps my statement was not clear. I wanted to see if the >HPLX would look to the internal AA's for power if a plugged >in 12vdc supply (adapter or whatever) were to fail. >According to Buddy, the HPLX is smart ennough to do so. If >the internal AA's are good and the adapter fails, the HPLX >goes back to the AA's even if the adapter is still plugged >into the HPLX.=20 > >For an example of the opposite: my portable radio is not >smart enough to do this. When I plug 12vdc into the socket >on the side, it switches off the internal battery; if the >12vdc fails, the radio does not operate, even if the >internal AA battery is still good.=20 > >John Musielewicz wrote: >>=20 >> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:26:55 -0400, you wrote: >>=20 >> > >> > When I plug in the adapter and turn on the HPLX, Buddy >> >shows "Adapter". Then if I turn off the 110v to the adapter, >> >but leave it plugged into the HPLX, Buddy shows "Battery". >> >So, I think the 4Ah wet cell, plugged into the adapter >> >socket, will power the HPLX until it runs out, then the >> >internal AA's will take over. >>=20 >> This is odd. If you have the 12 V cell connected to the adapter slot >> it should always say adapter whether or not you have an adapter on. >> The LX looks for 12 volts dc not AC. Are you sure the cell is fully >> charged? I think if the voltage is less than 9 it'll always say >> battery. Anyway a 4 ah cell plus the 3 ah lithium should last forever. >>=20 >> John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:51:47 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Abandonware Comments: To: John J Vanderstel In-Reply-To: <20020802.202609.-179693.1.j_vanderstel@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:25:49 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Barry and all, > >>Maybe we should accumulate some of this stuff somewhere so it'll >>stay available. I'm comfortable with the concept and the morality >>of abandonware, as long as it's not an excuse for piracy. And, >>those of you who refuse to make that distinction, at least >>acknowledge, please, that it is a distinction that can be made by >>honest people. (if you need to say "otherwise honest people" >>that's ok. :) >> >>I really hate to see our history disappear. Any ideas? Anybody? >> >>Barry > >I would like to see that too. I'd hate to see so much good abandoned >software become unavailable. > >In fact, it should be easy for someone to offer it all for download from >a part of their web site that offers access only to those with a >password. That password could be put out on this elist only, to limit >access. That would make the probability of any problems very unlikely. > >If I had a website and knew enough about maintaining one, I'd offer to = do >it for this group in a heartbeat. > >Cheers! > >John Vander Stel >Grand Rapids, Michigan > I'd be more than happy to donate lotus 2.4 and word perfect 5.1. Borland C++ 3.0 (doesn't run on the LX though) too. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:51:31 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nostalgia? I use it all the time! Version 1.5 is the latest I think. Bob Barry wrote: > > Thanks for the nostalgia. I used that for a while at work, too. > It wasn't bad for simple stuff at all. > -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:10:30 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: norman.wolfe@verizon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Norman Wolfe wrote on Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:13:15 -0400: > Perhaps my statement was not clear=2E I wanted to see if the > HPLX would look to the internal AA's for power if a plugged > in 12vdc supply (adapter or whatever) were to fail=2E Yes=2E The HP tries to take the juice from the adapter (if any present)=2E= If the adapter is not plugged, or fails to provide the power (the case of you= r cell depleting, or just an adapter dying, or the electricity going off) then it uses the AA batteries to power the memory and whatever mnor activity there is in a machine that us turned off=2E When the AAs deplete,= the last resort is the button battery=2E=20 I had a machine on the button battery for about 6 months and it maintained= memory=2E I did not intend it, but there it was =2E=20 Because NiMH and NiCd batteries discharge rather rapidly (5-10% loss of charge per month), I'd recommend to put in lithium AAs=2E A bit expensive,= but they will hardly discharge while awaiting for the wet cell to deplete=2E= =20 You could possibly put in NiMH and they will be RECHARGED by the wet cell which is coming in as if it was an adapter, but why bother?=20 > For an example of the opposite: my portable radio is not > smart enough to do this=2E When I plug 12vdc into the socket > on the side, it switches off the internal battery; if the > 12vdc fails, the radio does not operate, even if the > internal AA battery is still good=2E Not the case in the 200LX=2E Try this: Plug the adapter=2E Buddy will tell= you it is on adapter=2E Now simulate depletion of your cell by unplugging the adapter from the wall, but leaving it plugged in the 200LX=2E Buddy now sa= ys you are on battery, right? In fact the Palmtop works just fine=2E=20 Hope this helps=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:12:27 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Tinkering and for the first time in a long time (perhaps first ever w/ this list), I went into the web-based archives for a message search. I got quite a few "message not found" errors, AFTER clicking on links from my "found" list *BUT* the cool part is how it's set to automatically mask our email domains from web spiders, archivers, etc. There was a (OK *another*) recent article about lack of Internet privacy in the New York times. "Big fears" because people were concerned about how old messages they'd typed, personal info. from old, deleted web pages, etc. were all turning up. Oh, I found it, "CIRCUITS July 25, 2002, 'Trying to Elude The Google Grasp' by Jennifer 8. Lee." BTW, "Jennifer 8. Lee"???? What kind of byline/name is that? Seems the NYT wants you to purchase it now (check it out at a library for free and thwart THAT initiative!). The bottom line was that Google's archives (of even deleted pages) hold too much info. about us and our lives and too many people can find out about you. You CAN find out too much about the people she cites in her story, but they've got or HAD too much about themselves on web pages in the first place. Anyway, I tried "looking around" ... actually, I searched for myself (always a good experiment w/ these things, 'cause you really know your subject ). After 30 min., I managed to find ONE post I wrote in 1999 or so, from a tech-writer's group I once frequented. It seems their LISTSERV echoed to a newsgroup, for those who couldn't figure out how to use private lists.... My privacy must not be in danger.... So, in looking at OUR archives, I saw that our domain names are hidden on the archived messages' return email addresses. They show up as "email.address@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" AND, when you click on the link in Outlook, you get, "email.address@DOMAIN.HIDDEN." Cool! Thanks Al, et. al... (Oh, *just* thought of that; couldn't resist ). --tim PS. I figured this was "on topic" enough, 'cause it's about OUR list . ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:17:37 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Oh No.....the refrigerator Comments: To: jm@BLUEBUZZ.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Musielewicz jm@BLUEBUZZ=2ECOM wrote on 2 Aug 2002 19:16:07 -0500: =20= > Just had a refrigerator short about a month ago and start the floor > smoking=2E Luckily people were there to make sure a fire didn't start=2E= Ouch! It seems you have bad luck=2E You wrote earlier about the leaking batteries, and now the fridge=2E Be careful, buddy! Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:50:15 -0600 Reply-To: Richard and Patti Smith Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Richard and Patti Smith Organization: Orion On-Site Computer Services Subject: WP Editor, Was: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WP Editor and several other WP Shell programs are available at: http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/shell.html They all run fine on the 200LX, with certain command line options. Regards, Richard Smith ---------- NO UCE / NO UBE / NO SPAM / http://www.cauce.org ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:14:05 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Norton Editor In-Reply-To: <006701c23a99$c4535c80$800d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > From: "Daniel Hertrich" > > > That list could be a good addition to the SUPER archive, but > since it > > wouldn't contain any piece of software illegally, it cannot be > threatened. > > That sounds like a workable idea but it might bother some people on > this list and if this is going to involve the list I think pretty > much everyone should approve it first. > I don't think it's an adequate idea, though. It won't keep stuff > from disappearing. It'll just make it easy to find until it does. > We need something that's pretty solid. Exactly. Email "links" will go bad just like the link to the comports abandonware site. And trying to keep a list uptodate as people come/go/change email would be a pain. The original idea of a list of LX compatible software with tips on making them work is still good. I'm not quite so comfortable with the concept of abandonware, it is theft. However, since commercially available dos software is quite rare these days, one must sometimes resort to other sources. Or else switch to a a new platform. I use several "abandoned" programs, and I have archived quite a few others. Several hundred megabytes actually. I guess I could spare a few gigs on my server to archive more. As John suggested, password access could keep it from the mainstream. Thoughts? Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:43:21 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! In-Reply-To: <001001c23aac$60894530$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Tim wrote: > Tinkering and for the first time in a long time (perhaps first ever w/ this > list), I went into the web-based archives for a message search. > > I got quite a few "message not found" errors, AFTER clicking on links from > my "found" list *BUT* the cool part is how it's set to automatically mask > our email domains from web spiders, archivers, etc. My fault. I did the monthly rollover on the archives this morning. All your not found errors were for messages that were "current month" but are now in the past month. I neglected to manually update the index after the changes. It will automatically get updated in the morning. > So, in looking at OUR archives, I saw that our domain names are hidden on > the archived messages' return email addresses. They show up as > "email.address@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" AND, when you click on the link in Outlook, > you get, "email.address@DOMAIN.HIDDEN." Yes, the email addresses in the message headers have been obscured, but they do still appear in message bodies, such as in quoted text. One of these days I'll get around to fixing that too. Regards, Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:07:54 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: Norton Editor Comments: To: "Robert K. Meyer" In-Reply-To: <3D4C0A13.C0CFBD05@union-tel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I checked my Norton Editor version I have installed on my W98 desktops = and a dedicated Dos-machine (nostalgia). It was ver. 2.0 and legally = acquired. I always use NE when things have gone wrong and I have to = burrow in Dos to get back on track. I just now installed NE in my HP200 = and don=B4t yet see the advantage over PE I already have installed. Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Robert = K. Meyer Skickat: den 3 augusti 2002 18:52 Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU =C4mne: Re: Norton Editor Nostalgia? I use it all the time! Version 1.5 is the latest I think. Bob Barry wrote: > > Thanks for the nostalgia. I used that for a while at work, too. > It wasn't bad for simple stuff at all. > -- R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:10:05 +0200 Reply-To: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Helmuth E. Guenther" Subject: Re: Oh, no! The Fridge,the freezer ... [Was: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For me, to evaluate risc belongs to the most personal things. I don't think it is all founded on facts. I am running a hp200lx as fax server (using BGFAX) since a couple of years. It runs connected to the power supply, no matter if we are on vacation, or on a business trip. My wife connected her hp200lx to a power supply at home when she went on vacation for a couple of weeks But what does this tell? "It did work in the past." No more and no less. Kind regards Helmuth > I would be cautious about leaving my 200LX connected to power for any long > time unattended. I don't think that was the intended method of use, unlike a > refrigerator, microwave, etc. > > Thanks, > > Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting here since 1992 > 89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 tel:(860)627-5393 > web: http://Systems-Consulting.com > > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:27:58 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Norton Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 08h23m ago Barry wrote: > I don't think it's an adequate idea, though. It won't keep stuff > from disappearing. It'll just make it easy to find until it does. > We need something that's pretty solid. But it would delay disappearance, since more people would keep a copy of the programs. What do you think would be a solid solution? Host it on a web server? Sure, that's more solid, but someone has to do it, and since it was not totally legal, there is almays the risk of beeing blamed. There was the idea of collecting all that stuff on a CD and spread that udner the list members. It was a few years ago, I think. But that would be a major piece of work! I'm open to anything, because although it's kind of software piracy, it's also a good thing, because it would probably really prevent vanishing of some good pieces of software, and it would make the palmtop more usable for many people. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:00:27 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: Re: ModemInit for Nokia 8210 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:52:31 60 From: Hans Jacob Waern To: Tomas Moberg Subject: Re: ModemInit for Nokia 8210 Hi Thomas! On my Nokia 6210 I have the "ATZ+cbst=3D81..etc" when connecting to a high speed capable GSM connection. Depends on your GSM operator/type of subscription. Not all operators do and they normally charge more for High speed data transfer. Travelling in Estonia earlier this year I had to go for only ATZ or AT&F and connecting at 9600 when roaming via local GSM operators. Hans Jacob --------------------------------------- 18h38m ago Tomas Moberg wrote: > Hi! > What ModemInit should I use with www/lx and Nokia 8210 to get the = fastest speed? > I know that Peichl and Bergvill have fooled around with it a lot. > Did You ever come up with an optimal ModemInit? > I have seen stuff like: > ModemInit=3DAT&F+CBST=3D14,0,1 > Modeminit=3DATZ+cbst=3D81,0,1;+chsn=3D6,0,0,0 > But that is all mumbo jumbo to me. > > /tomas moberg > Uppsala > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > --- end of forwarded message --- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:19:43 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) In-Reply-To: <006101c23a99$2373e3c0$800d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > What we're talking about isn't strictly legal and some consider it > to be simple piracy, although I don't. There's also the potential > for copyright difficulties. I think part of the problem is that the legal status (at least in the US) of much old software hasn't really been determined in the courts. The risks associated with making available truly abandoned software are probably pretty small, but are still non-zero. By the way, I don't consider WordPerfect 5.1 to be abandoned, as the ownership is clear and the company (or its descendant) still markets software for the same purpose. Here are suggested criteria for considering software to be abandoned: * no longer being sold * no longer being supported * no longer being claimed * company no longer exists in any form Of course, if a company (like Borland) has publicly released a product, it automatically qualifies. One approach to old software written by individuals might be to post it with a description of the efforts made to contact the author, and a request for anyone with knowledge of the author's whereabouts (or the author) to notify the maintainer. > I personally don't think it would be a good idea to put this on > Super. Super is too important to gamble with it. I agree. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:24:08 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Michael Kopplin wrote: > I'm not quite so comfortable with the concept of abandonware, it > is theft. However, since commercially available dos software is > quite rare these days, one must sometimes resort to other > sources. Or else switch to a a new platform. I'm not convinced it's theft. My personal conviction is it's not wrong, and I don't think the legal status has been determined. What if a website presented all this software as a museum without any mention of the word "download?" -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:24:26 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J Vanderstel" Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:25 PM > In fact, it should be easy for someone to offer it all for download from > a part of their web site that offers access only to those with a > password. That password could be put out on this elist only, to limit > access. That would make the probability of any problems very unlikely. > My only problem with publishing the password to the list, is that it would be archived and searchable via Google etc.. Wouldn't it be better to email the location and password privately as Daniel has done with the member database? FWIW, bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All this discussion of abandonware and deteriorating media made me remember that I recently tried to install FrameWork IV from my old 5 1/4 diskettes and at least one was bad. Does anyone have a copy of this program and is able to help? This application will run on the 200lx I understand. And if someone could make a copy of the 3 1/2 floppys so that I could install it directly to the my 200lx instead of installing it to a desktop and then transfering to the palmtop, I'd be glad to pay for the disks and postage. (I do have a legit copy with license number!) TIA, bob ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:50:29 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: My >> ...a few "message not found" errors... and Michael Kopplin's >My fault. I did the monthly rollover on the archives this >morning. > >It will automatically get updated in the morning. Leave it to me to pick the one-day span when things aren't at optimum! In ANY case, the email address obscuring feature is great(!). Thanks for maintaining the archives, --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:51:12 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 09h24m ago hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > I had a machine on the button battery for about 6 months and it maintain= ed > memory. I did not intend it, but there it was . I think it heavilydepends on if you try to switch the palmtop on while on butten battery. I had one here on button for some hours only, but I didn't know the mains were dead, and tried to switch the unit on a few times. This seemed to deplete the button battery entirely, so I lost everything. At least I think that this was the reason. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:43:03 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: FLUFF: Numbers in names (Was: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system!) In-Reply-To: <001001c23aac$60894530$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/3/2002 at 12:12 AM Tim wrote: [SNIP] >Oh, I found it, "CIRCUITS July 25, 2002, 'Trying to Elude >The Google Grasp' by Jennifer 8. Lee." BTW, "Jennifer 8. Lee"???? What kind >of byline/name is that? [SNIP] Might have been a typo somewhere along the way; perhaps her middle initial is actually.. "B." On the other hand, since it's an article on eluding Web searches and the like, maybe she is using a very old trick... Back in the early days of computers-in-business (goes the probably apocryphal story), a rather sharp young gentleman discovered that it wasn't possible to key a number into an alpha data entry field. Since names were coded as alpha (of course), he had first name legally changed to "Kei3th." His rationale? His legal name could never be entered into a computer, including for billing and tracking purposes. Whatever they DID put in there to represent him, he could argue was not him since it wasn't actually his name. The punchline of this -- when presented as a joke -- is that when people asked him how to pronounce his name, he'd say, "Keith. The three is silent." Cheers, Rick ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:58:44 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:43:21 -0700 Michael Kopplin a icrit: > Yes, the email addresses in the message headers have been > obscured, but they do still appear in message bodies, such as in > quoted text. One of these days I'll get around to fixing that > too. Difficult to code that without some AI... If it is good to hide most of the e-mail adresses appearing in the posts, there are some which are interesting to appear.... The pdf -> html/txt gataways ( pdf2html@adobe.com ), for example... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:41:12 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I have tried once a larger CF - and it read and > wrote fine for 10 minutes. I do not recall the size, but it was probably= a > 512MB, and I think it was a Viking or Simple Tech. Don't know about a > Sandisk in that size, probably requires the Ace/Mack driver as many of > sandisk's high capacity cards do. My Sandisk 512MB CF flash card _requires_ the Ace driver. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:28:31 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: theise@NETINS.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that my views are well known, so I'll surprise you perhaps by saying that I, like many of you, also want to somehow be able to lay my hands on old DOS software which may not be sold anywhere=2E The discussion= here is so good, IMHO, because it acknowledges the problems: Relative rarity, and undetermined status which conflict, potentially with the desir= e we have to get a copy of the software=2E So first, thank you all who so intelligently participate=2E I am hopeful that maybe we can find some solution=2E=20 Theodore Heise theise@NETINS=2ENET wrote on 3 Aug 2002 08:19:43 -0500: > I think part of the problem is that the legal status (at least in > the US) of much old software hasn't really been determined in the > courts=2E In many cases, as you and others note, the status is UNKNOWN TO US=2E The distinction is important: The owner of the software has to decide its fate= , not us=2E We cannot=2E If we did it would be like selling someone else's c= ar=2E We could go to court if the owner parked it in OUR driveway, but in the case of software, its passive presence somewhere - even if unsupported and= unsold - is not a bother to anyone, except perhaps those who want a copy and cannot get one =2E=2E=2E=20 I think the reason that there are no court tests of what we affectionately= call "abandoware" is that it costs a lot to make such a case=2E In essence= you would have to do an exhaustive search of the ownership, sufficient to satify courts=2E That is VERY difficult to do, very difficult to prove, ve= ry expensive and very time comsuming=2E=20 And in many cases, it turns out someone DOES lay claim to the asset, even if we hve no knowledge of the claim=2E=20 > The risks associated with making available truly abandoned software are=20= > probably pretty small, but are still non-zero=2E Yes, exactly=2E One of the impediments in your way is to define "abandoned= software" legally=2E=20 > Here are suggested criteria for considering software to be abandoned: >=20 > * no longer being sold This criterion will likely fail in court=2E It makes no difference if and asset is being sold=2E I do not sell my car, it does not make it "abandone= d"=2E > * no longer being supported Same failure=2E Besides, the owner will claim that no one asked for suppor= t=2E > * no longer being claimed This is a tricky one=2E What exactly do you mean by "being claimed"? If yo= u mean no one stands and advertises that he/she owns the asset? That is not = a good criterion at all=2E I do not have a banner on my car stating "This ca= r=20 is owned by Avi Meshar!"=20 > * company no longer exists in any form The company that prodced the software may have sold the asset to someone, or transferred the ownership rights=2E To declare software as abandoned, you'll have to research and prove the whole line of ownership=2E Also companies transform to other businesses, and you'll have to follow a;; thi= s and document it to satisfy a court=2E=20 > Of course, if a company (like Borland) has publicly released a product,=20= > it automatically qualifies=2E You mean qualified as NON-Abandoware? As is the case you propose with WP 5=2E1?=20 > One approach to old software written by individuals might be to post it=20= > with a description of the efforts made to contact the author, and a > request for anyone with knowledge of the author's whereabouts (or the > author) to notify the maintainer=2E I like this! It will not shield you from potentially being an infirnger, but at least you acknowledged and made attempts!=20 I believe this is a quotation of what Barry said: >> I personally don't think it would be a good idea to put this on >> Super=2E Super is too important to gamble with it=2E > > I agree=2E I agree too=2E=20 This the best thread on the topic I have read here in a long time=2E Pleas= e let's go forward, not backwards from here=2E=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:34:20 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: I should know but... Max CF Size for 200LX? Comments: To: leurquin@BIGFOOT.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yves Leurquin leurquin@BIGFOOT=2ECOM wrote on 3 Aug 2002 18:41:12 +0100: I wrote: > > Don't know about a Sandisk in that size, probably requires the Ace/Mac= k=20 > > driver as many of sandisk's high capacity cards do=2E >=20 > My Sandisk 512MB CF flash card _requires_ the Ace driver=2E So it confirms in a general way that Sandisk's disk controller IS a little= different, sufficient to be slightly incompatible with plain ATA and thus requiring the driver as I thought=2E Thanks for the confirmation=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:28:40 -0700 Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Joseph Buford Subject: Jornada 548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been offerd a New Jornada 548 (32MB) for $125. Seems like a good deal. I figure that I can use it for photos and MP3's at lease. (Luke-I am your father-turn to the dark side----Oh noooo :-/ ) Anyone have any experience with these (on the dark side)? Joe ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:40:59 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel Hertrich daniel=2Ehertrich@GMX=2EDE wrote on 3 Aug 2002 16:51:12 +0= 200: > > 09h24m ago hplxmail@alwaysafe=2Ecom wrote: > > > > I had a machine on the button battery for about 6 months and it=20 > > maintained memory=2E I did not intend it, but there it was =2E >=20 > I think it heavilydepends on if you try to switch the palmtop on while > on butten battery=2E Agree completely=2E In the case I cited, I just put away the machine and d= id not touch it for 6 months=2E=20 > I had one here on button for some hours only, but I didn't know the main= s=20 > were dead, and tried to switch the unit on a few times=2E This seemed to= =20 > deplete the button battery entirely, so I lost everything=2E At least I=20= > think that this was the reason=2E The reasoning seems solid to me=2E The button battery has VERY LITTLE powe= r and powering a screen takes A LOT=2E=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:45:38 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > I saw John's post and I thought of replying, but rejected the > idea as non-productive. There is a disconnect in the way people > think about a license to use and "ownership" of the code. > They feel it is the same. This argument is different from that last one. Giving someone the right to use something for some limited time with a right of cancellation is called renting, not selling. As of today shops are expressly *selling* software packages. A comparable thing in older law is right of way IMHO. My father *bought* the right of way to the lane leading to my house. This right is owned by me and my heirs and everyone I were to sell part of land to if I sell it with the land. Renting a right of way is a perfectly feasable and not uncommon way of doing thing, but it is a *different* thing and the neighbour or his heirs who my father bought it from has no possible way to revoke it or claim additional charges or whatever. The simile is a good one in its limitations also. I, my family and all my guests may drive along that lane to and from my house and must not be hindered. I must *not* park on it, dig it up, or build a garden shed on it. Use for one purpose, that's all that was bought, but bought is was and is in full ownership. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:29:01 +0200 Reply-To: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" Subject: Re: Jornada 548 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > I have been offerd a New Jornada 548 (32MB) for $125. Seems > like a good deal. I'd buy a 548 for $125 ;-) It look like a good deal to me, too. > I figure that I can use it for photos and MP3's at lease. The Jornadas are quite ok when it comes to graphics and sound (and eventually www and email), everything else is inferior to your HPLX. You can run PocketDos on the 548 (runs pretty well) but you want an external keyboard before playing with it.... > Anyone have any experience with these (on the dark side)? Let's say, a Jornada is kinda grey, I have seen (and used) computers that are worse than WinCE ;-) regards, Oliver ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:37 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Axel-Berger@NexGo.De In-Reply-To: <3D4C16C2.8A56EB85@NexGo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/3/02-12:45 PM, Axel-Berger@NexGo.De wrote: >A comparable thing in older law is right of way IMHO. My father *bought* >the right of way to the lane leading to my house. This right is owned by me >and my heirs and everyone I were to sell part of land to if I sell it with >the land. Very common instrument to give an unusual access to some asset. >Renting a right of way is a perfectly feasable and not uncommon way of >doing thing, but it is a *different* thing and the neighbour or his heirs >who my I assume you propose renting a right of way to some software, or? The problem is that right of way is applicable to a physical asset. Software is not, e.g. turn off the computer and the program is gone. Besides, it makes life harder and more complex. A few years back, businesses tried to "rent" software to customers. You could use it for X amount of time, then it disappeared. Software vendors took great pains to eliminate this mode of access because it opened up lots of avenues for abuse, in their view. If we could find a reasonable way to rent time on some piece of software, then this could be interesting. Here is a speculative scenario: You login to the rental site and rent two days' access to Excel. The program never runs on _your_ machine, only on the site. The data is never on the site, always on your computer. Somehow (this future is to be developed in the future) Excel-on-the-site processes the data-on-your-machine. After two days, blip, no more Excel, but your data is intact. Perhaps a way to go is to require that you are logged on to the site while processing. If you are not logged on, whatever program is on your desktop (assuming that you d/l something when you rented) simply is useless. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:59:57 -0400 Reply-To: ronburnett@COMPUSERVE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Ron Burnett Subject: Re: Web via email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -- > 02h49m ago, on 2002-08-01, Tomas Moberg wrote: > > > Can anyone recomend a good web to email server? > Try the following: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACCMAIL Info (automatically generated) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To UNSUBscribe: Send UNSUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.AOL.COM To get the ACCMAIL FAQ: Send e-mail to "mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu" and enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ron ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:59:54 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Norton Editor Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Norton Editor Hi Barry 08h23m ago Barry wrote: >> I don't think it's an adequate idea, though. It won't keep stuff >> from disappearing. It'll just make it easy to find until it does. >> We need something that's pretty solid. > >But it would delay disappearance, since more people would keep a copy >of the programs. I agree. I think I said it was a good idea and worth doing. Re-read my post. But I think we need to look farther for a long term solution. > What do you think would be a solid solution? Host it on a web server? > Sure, that's more solid, but someone has to do it, and since it was not > totally legal, there is almays the risk of beeing blamed. I don't know of a good long term solution. That's why I think we should discuss it. Maybe there isn't one. Offhand I'd say there probably isn't, right now. But maybe someone will have a good idea if we talk about it. > There was the idea of collecting all that stuff on a CD and spread that > udner the list members. It was a few years ago, I think. But that would > be a major piece of work! I think we'd need quite a few CDs too. > I'm open to anything, because although it's kind of software piracy, > it's also a good thing, because it would probably really prevent > vanishing of some good pieces of software, and it would make the > palmtop more usable for many people. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing this, the legal issues notwithstanding. I know there might be people on the list that disagree and if this discussion disturbs anyone, we probably should respect that. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:05:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Theodore Heise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodore Heise" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > I'm not convinced it's theft. My personal conviction is it's not > wrong, and I don't think the legal status has been determined. I don't think it's wrong but it's been pretty well established that it's illegal in the USA. > What if a website presented all this software as a museum without > any mention of the word "download?" If it wasn't downloadable I don't think it could be illegal. You can talk about stuff. You just aren't supposed to distribute things where you don't have distribution rights. If "download" isn't mentioned but it can be downloaded, I don't think that makes it any more legal. I'm no lawyer but I'd be surprised. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:27:13 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) >> Here are suggested criteria for considering software to be abandoned: >> >> * no longer being sold > > This criterion will likely fail in court. It makes no difference if and > asset is being sold. I do not sell my car, it does not make it "abandoned". > > * no longer being supported > > Same failure. Besides, the owner will claim that no one asked for support. > >> * no longer being claimed > > This is a tricky one. What exactly do you mean by "being claimed"? If you > mean no one stands and advertises that he/she owns the asset? That is not a > good criterion at all. I do not have a banner on my car stating "This car > is owned by Avi Meshar!" > > > * company no longer exists in any form > > The company that prodced the software may have sold the asset to someone, > or transferred the ownership rights. To declare software as abandoned, > you'll have to research and prove the whole line of ownership. Also > companies transform to other businesses, and you'll have to follow a;; this > and document it to satisfy a court. I don't think there are any criteria to make sure we only have legal stuff because most of the stuff we're concerned with is licensed and not released to public domain or as freeware. Instead I think we should look for critera that defines what we're willing to archive regardless of legality. Some thoughts: * It should be Dos software. Only because that's our common interest. * It should no longer be available in a later Dos version through legitimate channels. * Later Windows or linux or other OS versions shouldn't matter. While windows programs might share the same name, they're not even similar programs. * Either some attempt should be made to contact the publisher on everything we consider Dos abandoware, or we should never make that attempt. I suggest the latter because the answer will nearly always be no and that pretty much puts us out of business. * It might be that the archiving of such software doesn't have the same legal risks as distributing it. If that's the case, we should know it and we probably should consider tthat in whatever plans we make. * It might not be possible to make this available to all Dos users, including those not in this listserve. But it would be really nice to be able to do that if a way can be found. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:35:12 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > If we could find a reasonable way to rent time on some piece of software, > then this could be interesting. Here is a speculative scenario: You login > to the rental site and rent two days' access to Excel. The program never > runs on _your_ machine, only on the site. The data is never on the site, > always on your computer. Somehow (this future is to be developed in the > future) Excel-on-the-site processes the data-on-your-machine. After two > days, blip, no more Excel, but your data is intact. How is that possible? The program has to operate on the data. At least some of the data has to be on the server or some of the program has to be on the PC. If some of the data is on the server, we'd have no way of knowing it didn't keep it, accumulate it, and end up with a copy. That copy, in some cases, could be pretty valuable. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:38:10 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > How does that allow an option? If after using the software the buyer > decides its not worth putting up with the contract for then he can't > return it. Here's where you and I disagree again. If after having bought and opened a packet of cookies you don't like the taste after all (it's different of course if they're gone off or stale) you can't return them, except perhaps voluntarily as part of an exceptionally generous please the customer scheme. (I wouldn't shop there, an old friend of my mother's, now deceased, used to translate "we'll alter your trousers for free" as "we charge you for alteration whether you weant it or not".) If you want a new car, the dealer may have one for a test ride. If not, you may well ask to drive a collegue's if he lends it you (as Barry very rightly recommends for all expensive software) but after you have bought it, signed the dotted line, and driven it from the showroom it's yours - regrets or not. Always remember, if the dealer is not going bankrupt and out of business it is always the other customers, i.e. me, who will pay for those returns, and I for one do not want to. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:52:43 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > I could not believe that people actually fell for the scheme. The thing I don't get - and I'm not kidding or ironic here but really serious - is why the police are pursuing those "Nigerians". If it were up to me they'd be taxed on the returns and given a medal for doing a public duty. After all, all those letters can be paraphrased thus: "We are a bunch of criminals, We have found a way to steal a lot of money fronm one of the poorest and neediest copuntries on earth. We need a bit of help. If you are prepared to become an accomplice we will let you share the spoils." If I were a judge any one of those "poor innocent victims" I'd fine him twice the amount he lost already. But what is "justice" today? Those people openly saying "I went to burgle a house. On the ground and already trespassing I fell into a pit the owner had had to dig to mend his drains and got hurt." What do they get? A sentence? A compensation, that's what! Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:02:40 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > Use Lithium AA's? > good. Disagree. Those are expensive. Why waste a set on eight weeks of doing absolutely nothing? When I don't want to use a unit for some time, I do a backup and take all batteries out. A restore from flash takes all of five minutes. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:05:10 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard and Patti Smith wrote: > then > it should remain the same as you left it for well beyond 8 > weeks. Am I wrong? Did I miss something? Mine (the secont unit I did not use) drained a set of NiCds and began to deplete the backup battery after only a fortnight. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:30:52 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D4C44F0.2004E664@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yeah, but you solved a different problem. The original issue was how to RETAIN the content of storage inside the palmtop for 8 weeks. Daniel's solution stands very well then. Avi At 8/3/02-04:02 PM, you wrote: >Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > > Use Lithium AA's? > > good. > >Disagree. Those are expensive. Why waste a set on eight weeks of doing >absolutely nothing? When I don't want to use a unit for some time, I do >a backup and take all batteries out. A restore from flash takes all of >five minutes. > >Axel > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:51:25 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: <3D482F0C.5BC7CC66@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 3 days 03h49m ago, on 2002-07-31, Norman Wolfe wrote:=09=09 > I will be abroad for eight weeks and cannot carry my 200LX. > How do I preserve the RAM? Obviously I have a complete back > up on my desktop and a zipped b/u on a storage card. > > Back-up, remove all batteries, restore after return? (Also > must restore Tech RAM on my x2,32mb 200LA). Norman, this will work fine - but I recommend that you practice the restore before you leave, and see if you are comfortable with it. Of course, it's always essential to have a restore plan in place. I have one machine that has a slight power problem - it eats batteries, and I always use this one with a PCMCIA card in the slot that has my config.sys, autoexec.bat and all essential drivers. For that one I never keep anything of importance on the C: drive. It always boots happily off the A: drive. > Turn off but plug into adapter? > Turn on and plug into adapter? > Use Lithium AA's? Yup, keeping it powered is fine as well. Doesn't cost much and avoids the delay in starting work when you get home :) > (I rely heavily on the 200lx calc, now that the HP41 went > TU!) My HP41 is beeping as I write - I make it chime every 15 minutes, just to let me know it's alive Enjoy your holiday! -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:36:26 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: <20020803224656.57300147CD@dragon.actrix.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 32m ago, on 2002-08-04, Tony Hutchins wrote:=09=09 > 3 days 03h49m ago, on 2002-07-31, Norman Wolfe wrote:=09=09 > > Back-up, remove all batteries, restore after return? (Also > > must restore Tech RAM on my x2,32mb 200LA). Norman - I forgot to add that restoring your x2 32MB 200LX can be really easy. The 32MB drive actually retains it's memory even with no power AFAIK. So you wil just need a flashcard with the config.sys/autoexec.bat speed/emm/etc drivers on - the things you probably have on the small "F:" drive on the palmtop. This means an "instant" recovery is possible with no need to recreate the EMS - assuming you have that on the 32MB part. It's only the small drive that needs power to stay alive. -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:53:09 +0000 Reply-To: Russel Brooks Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Russel Brooks Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony Hutchins wrote: > The 32MB drive actually retains it's memory > even with no power AFAIK. Low power maybe but Not NO power. Cheers... Russ DIGITAL FREEDOM! --> http://www.eff.org/ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:58:18 -0400 Reply-To: N Knight Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: N Knight Subject: Re: Jornada 548 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Joseph Buford >Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM >To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu >Subject: Jornada 548 >Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:28:40 -0700 > >I have been offerd a New Jornada 548 (32MB) for $125. Seems like a good >deal. >I figure that I can use it for photos and MP3's at lease. > >(Luke-I am your father-turn to the dark side----Oh noooo :-/ ) > >Anyone have any experience with these (on the dark side)? I have one. After the rock solid reliability of the 200lx I was very dissapointed. Activesync has problems, Mircorsoft Money has problems, e-books has problems, etc. If you are looking for a successor for the 200lx, the 548 is not it. The 548 is a nice toy, if you want reliablility get your 200lx upgraded with Thaddeus. The batteries on the 548 are supposd to last 8 hours....It actually only lasts lesss than an hour. With e-books there is the DRM issue. The 548 will not use DRM 5 books. E-books were a good idea, I liked the concept. Unfortunately TPTB are killing it. If the people who ran e-books handled regular publishing they would have figured out a way to throw you in jail if you let a friend borrow you hard covered book. Money has it's problems, get used to having to do a hard reset often and reinstall everything. Don't even think of getting Pocket Qucken when it comes out for the ppc. I have it for the hp680 and it sucks compared to what we had on the 200lx. (Gone is the ability to look at recent transactions). Activesync breaks alot. Not a well made program. If you are considering getting a 548, I would suggest upgrading you 200lx. Nothing comes within a hundred miles of the 200lx. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:55:18 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: TECH: 8 weeks of inactivity: preserving RAM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 56m ago, on 2002-08-04, Russel Brooks wrote:=09=09 > Tony Hutchins wrote: > > The 32MB drive actually retains it's memory > > even with no power AFAIK. > > Low power maybe but Not NO power. Thanks for the correction Russ. -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:26:54 -0600 Reply-To: "Robert K. Meyer" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Robert K. Meyer" Subject: Re: SV: Norton Editor Comments: To: Hans Jacob Waern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I forgot, my version 1.5 is the "classic" editor. I also have v2.0 but have not used it. They both came in the same box. I also have a previous verson 1.3a or something like that. Bob Hans Jacob Waern wrote: > = > Hi! > = > I checked my Norton Editor version I have installed on my W98 desktops = and a dedicated Dos-machine (nostalgia). It was ver. 2.0 and legally acqu= ired. I always use NE when things have gone wrong and I have to burrow in= Dos to get back on track. I just now installed NE in my HP200 and don=B4= t yet see the advantage over PE I already have installed. > = > Hans Jacob > = > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]F=F6r Robert= K. > Meyer > Skickat: den 3 augusti 2002 18:52 > Till: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU > =C4mne: Re: Norton Editor > = > Nostalgia? I use it all the time! Version 1.5 is the latest > I think. > = > Bob > = > Barry wrote: > > > > Thanks for the nostalgia. I used that for a while at work, too. > > It wasn't bad for simple stuff at all. > > > -- > R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY > http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 > = > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml -- = R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/ His name... Isaiah 9:6 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:34:16 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Robonews question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 4 weeks 5 days ago, on 2002-07-02, Daniel Hertrich wrote:=09=09 > I would like to be able to use Robonews/LX whereever I am. > Currently, I use a news server, which is only available > from home, because it uses member authentication via > network login. >> So I need a news server which allows direct server > authentication. Daniel, apart from news.cis.dfn.de , if you travel to the USA you may use news.teranews.com in a similar way. They do charge an initial fee of $3.95 for Login/Password but allow up to 50MB of download per day. Retention is not as good as cis.dfn.de, but they carry all newsgroups. -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:50:27 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: Problem with PDU.SCR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to use Robot/LX + PDU + POST/LX. The SMS is send via a C35i but the script is aborted before complition. The Robot/LX Error message is: Variable not known sub (line 848 in file PDU.SCR). Because it is aborted the SMS is send but not unmarked in the sms folder. To read what is going on is a bit fast to read. The pdu.log is empty. The whole process starts with: Bad command or file name. I'd appreciate helpful hints. Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:02:29 -0400 Reply-To: John J Vanderstel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vanderstel Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi and all, >> One approach to old software written by individuals might be to post it >> with a description of the efforts made to contact the author, and a >> request for anyone with knowledge of the author's whereabouts (or the >> author) to notify the maintainer=2E > >I like this! It will not shield you from potentially being an infirnger, >but at least you acknowledged and made attempts!=20 This might be a good approach. The two problems seem to be in defining this kind of software specifically as "abandonware" and offering it for download to just *anyone*. Some specific suggestions that may make it much easier to manage and a little bit safer: What if that software was made available for download, but classified simply as "software without current author contact information." The website could state that it's purpose is specifically to facilitate an on-going search for the authors of the software. The website and the downloadable software it offers for download would then be technically aimed at those wishing to pick it apart in an attempt to find it's author, or at the author himself/herself to obtain current contact information, once and for all. The one and only condition of downloading any of the software could be a simple promise to attempt to locate it's author using whatever new clues the downloader might find in the software package. It seems to me that if an author is eventually located in this way or if an author actually finds his software on this website, (s)he would view the effort in favorable terms. Any software who's author has not yet been located would remain available for download, specifically to facilitate the on-going search for it's author. :-) Anyone have any other thoughts on this particular angle? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like a reasonably safe approach to me. Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids. Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:49:16 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Problem with PDU.SCR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 33m ago, on 2002-08-04, Uli Allen wrote: > I am trying to use Robot/LX + PDU + POST/LX. > The SMS is send via a C35i but the script is aborted before > complition. The Robot/LX Error message is: Variable not > known sub (line 848 in file PDU.SCR). Uli, That must be an earlier PDU.SCR - could you try with http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/postpdu.zip (Not that that is much different, but it is all I have here - I see a "sub" at line 872) > Because it is aborted the SMS is send but not unmarked in > the sms folder. Are you sure the SMS was sent? > To read what is going on is a bit fast to read. The pdu.log > is empty. Note that in PDU.BAT there is a choice of two lines to free up to do the log. If you are using POST.CFG for all your SMS settings then remove the REM from in front of the *first* line that does a log. A pdu.log will tell me exactly what has happened. If you can create one just send it to be by direct e-mail. > The whole process starts with: Bad command or file name. I am only guessing - maybe you did not adjust the beginning of PDU.BAT? There is a wwwset.exe line there - maybe you don't want that line. It's the sort of error you'd get if wwwset.exe could not be found. > I'd appreciate helpful hints. It might be possible to get an error regarding "sub" if you used a template quite different to that supplied. But I don't recall a problem there. Even the version you have should probably work fine. -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for: POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:38:09 +0800 Reply-To: Wor Yuan Long Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Wor Yuan Long Subject: HFFAX 5.1a for dos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C23BCC.EF6F2140" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C23BCC.EF6F2140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been trying hard to search for this abandonware on the net but = with no luck. if anyone still holding on to it, could you please kindly send me a = copy. 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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C23BCC.EF6F2140-- ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:13:16 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Problem with PDU.SCR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- 01h16m ago, on 2002-08-04, Uli Allen wrote:=09=09 > I am trying to use Robot/LX + PDU + POST/LX. Uli, just to be clear - here is the beginning of PDU.BAT: @ECHO OFF REM adjust if Infrared is not used. wwwset "Port=3D-1 Baud=3D38400" if %1=3D=3D-r goto robotcfg ROBOT -p "pdu -p %1" REM alternative line to obtain a log REM ROBOT -p -2 "pdu -p %1" >PDUP.LOG ... I suggest you REM lines 3 and 5 and remove the REM from line 7: @ECHO OFF REM adjust if Infrared is not used. REM wwwset "Port=3D-1 Baud=3D38400" if %1=3D=3D-r goto robotcfg REM ROBOT -p "pdu -p %1" REM alternative line to obtain a log ROBOT -p -2 "pdu -p %1" >PDUP.LOG ... Hopefully this should give you a PDU.LOG. -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0400 Reply-To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John J Vanderstel j_vanderstel@JUNO=2ECOM wrote on 4 Aug 2002 03:02:29 -04= 00: Sorry for the length of this,,, >>> with a description of the efforts made to contact the author, and a >>> request for anyone with knowledge of the author's whereabouts (or the=20= >>> author) to notify the maintainer >> >> I like this! It will not shield you from potentially being an infirnger= ,=20 >> but at least you acknowledged and made attempts > > This might be a good approach=2E The two problems seem to be in definin= g=20 > this kind of software specifically as "abandonware" and offering it for=20= > download to just *anyone*=2E I agree that we can go a long way in reducing the risk of running into troubles with an owner of what we call abandonware, if we limit the offering=2E Instead of offering it to "THE WORLD" it should be offered ONL= Y to HPLX-List members=2E When someone joins, his/her email address can be forwarded to whoever maintains SUPER, who can then send the rules, and get= an agreement to them then provide the the directory name, user name and password to that new user with explanations about the content of that library as you explained above=2E=20 Maybe the password can be changed 4 times a year and those who are on HPLX-List and agreed to the rules (or a new set of rules!) can be notified= by email, providing futher exlusivity and preventing (to some degree) "the= world" from accessing=2E This step will help prevent that an owner of such= software claim damages based on being denied sales to "the world", but onl= y denied sales to the HPLX-List members at most - a limited audience and thu= s limited damages=2E Such a damage claim will be the main complaint! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:34:55 -0400 Reply-To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Part 2: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Part 2=2E (one more I hope=2E=2E=2E) > The website could state that it's purpose is specifically to facilitate an=20 > on-going search for the authors of the software=2E This claim is specious! Everyone knows that is not the truth=2E I suggest = to not insult the intelligence of an author/legi owner by claiming that=2E Th= is is a site dedicated to letting people who want old software to download it= =2E Period=2E But see below some more on this=2E=2E=2E > The website and the downloadable software it offers for download would=20= > then be technically aimed at those wishing to pick it apart in an attemp= t=20 > to find it's author, or at the author himself/herself to obtain=20 > current contact information, once and for all=2E This is a deadly mistake, sorry=2E This sounds like a bunch of hackers getting together=2E=2E=2E To an owner of software this means that we are h= ackers who will try to back into his/her software, maybe even modify it and copy it for our own purposes, infringing on his/her rights=2E Why not tell the truth?=20 > The one and only condition of downloading any of the software could be a= =20 > simple promise to attempt to locate it's author using whatever new clues= =20 > the downloader might find in the software package=2E I think it is good, but needs more strength! As long as it does not talk about breaking the software and hacking into it, but instead use legitimat= e means - help files, newsgroups, internet directories etc=2E STAY AWAY from= hacking into software and mentioning it=2E > It seems to me that if an author is eventually located in this way or if= =20 > an author actually finds his software on this website, (s)he would view=20= > the effort in favorable terms=2E Not hacking, hell no! That gives EVERY author and/or owner butt cringes! But searching legitimate sources is admirable! Comitting to stop using if no permission comes forth is admirable and will go a long way to securing this permission=2E > Any software who's author has not yet been located would remain availabl= e > for download, specifically to facilitate the on-going search for it's =20= > author=2E :-) If you mean this by hacking, then it is a foolish move=2E > Anyone have any other thoughts on this particular angle? I'm not a=20 > lawyer, but it seems like a reasonably safe approach to me=2E I am no lawyer but I can tell you my views as a vendor=2E Read above and r= ead below=2E=2E=2E BTW the word "safe" is terribly optimistic=2E "Reduced ris= k" is a much better and realistic term=2E I think the rules of the game that each person who wants access should agree to are like this:=20 1=2E The purpose is to preserve old and useful programs=2E We acknowledge = and hold that the software is probably owned by someone, an author or rights owner=2E We do not know that the programs were released=20 to the public domain=2E =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:38:01 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Part 3 - last 2=2E We do not know who the authors and/or owners of the software are at t= his time=2E We therefore use it without permission=2E=20 3=2E We limit the access to those people who agree to remove the software from their machines if the legitimate owner/author - when one emerges -=20= does not permit further use=2E 4=2E We will seek permission from author or legit owner to use the softwar= e by our community if and when we find the author/legit owner=2E We will abi= de by their conditions=2E 5=2E Each person who downloads software promises to continue looking for t= he legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other internet resources=2E We will do it to the best of our ability=2E We will post our results on the list for others to see=2E 6=2E We refrain from calling this software "abandonware" or define it as "abandoned", because we do not really know its status=2E We want to contin= ue this useful - to us - software, and yet are anxious to minimize the infringement on legitimate rights of the author/legitimate owner of the software=2E=20 I am probably missing some items, and CERTAINLY this needs wordsmithing (i= t is early on Sunday morning for me now=2E=2E=2E) - so please go at it! If y= ou have questions on what I mean, post here and I'll answer=2E=2E=2E=20 I encourage all of you authors of software to look at these rules of the game and see if it would satisfy you=2E Imagine yourself coming to a site like this and finding that a responsible group uses your software without your permission, that they tried to find you and the attempts are documented, and that they agree to abide by your permission conditions, an= d even are willing to remove the software from their machines and their library, and lastly that they have, and show respect to your efforts (do not call it abandonware), even when you were not there to watch over their= use of it=2E=20 I think this is a good set, and probably will get most authors right in th= e heart and prevent too many troubles=2E Of course, it is still risky - ther= e is always a sour author out there who might decide to shut you down=2E But= it sure is easier to negotiate favorably from the position that these rules put us in than from a disrespectful "abandonware site"=2E All I have for n= ow=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:42:18 -0400 Reply-To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: 3 part reply is not huge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI - the 3 part message is not that large=2E My wrd processor saw it as 9= 5 lines, but HPLX-List perceived it as more than 140 lines - no idea why=2E=20= When I posted, I used the paging of Word, and put up 2 pages, but they wer= e all double spaced, as it turned out=2E=2E=2E So each part is not so large=2E= =2E=2E=20 BTW - j_vanderstel@JUNO=2ECOM got the failed copies too! I addressed them = to him and the list=2E So someone knows I tried hard to get it posted=2E=2E=2E= =20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:05:28 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36:50 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Thu, 01.08.02 9:24 PM +0200 > > Hi friends, > > I'd like to print fro the palmtop using by Linux PC as a serial to > parallel converter, i.e. connecting the palmtop via seriall ine to the > Linux PC and the printer to the PC's parallel port. > Does anyone know how this can be done? > > For DOS there are these programs like COM2LPT or OMNIPRN, which collect > data from the serial port, write it to a file and then send it to the > LPT port. This should be easier on a Linux box than on a "P"C, not harder . Remember that Linux/Unix is a multi-user system that "expects" to find multiple "terminals" connected to the serial ports, while a PC expects only user and one terminal, so you need to resort to tricks if you want to pass data into the serial port and onto the printer. No tricks should be necessary with Linux. It seems that you could use Datacomm or any other terminal emulator on the LX to log into an account on your Linux box via the serial port, transfer the file from the LX to your Linux machine and then print it using your favorite Linux application. If you set up a public directory, you could transfer the file there from your LX account via the serial port and then print it from your main console using a different account. Vic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:48 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: John J Vanderstel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J Vanderstel" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > What if that software was made available for download, but classified > simply as "software without current author contact information." The > website could state that it's purpose is specifically to facilitate an > on-going search for the authors of the software. > > The website and the downloadable software it offers for download would > then be technically aimed at those wishing to pick it apart in an attempt > to find it's author, or at the author himself/herself to obtain current > contact information, once and for all. > > The one and only condition of downloading any of the software could be a > simple promise to attempt to locate it's author using whatever new clues > the downloader might find in the software package. I think that would be like trying to defend bank robbery by saying you were only trying to help the bank reduce it's tax liability. Some skeptics might not believe it. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:39:23 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! In-Reply-To: <001001c23aac$60894530$6401a8c0@gadgetbase> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike gets ALL THE CREDIT for the archives! -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 1:12 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! Hi all, Tinkering and for the first time in a long time (perhaps first ever w/ this list), I went into the web-based archives for a message search. I got quite a few "message not found" errors, AFTER clicking on links from my "found" list *BUT* the cool part is how it's set to automatically mask our email domains from web spiders, archivers, etc. There was a (OK *another*) recent article about lack of Internet privacy in the New York times. "Big fears" because people were concerned about how old messages they'd typed, personal info. from old, deleted web pages, etc. were all turning up. Oh, I found it, "CIRCUITS July 25, 2002, 'Trying to Elude The Google Grasp' by Jennifer 8. Lee." BTW, "Jennifer 8. Lee"???? What kind of byline/name is that? Seems the NYT wants you to purchase it now (check it out at a library for free and thwart THAT initiative!). The bottom line was that Google's archives (of even deleted pages) hold too much info. about us and our lives and too many people can find out about you. You CAN find out too much about the people she cites in her story, but they've got or HAD too much about themselves on web pages in the first place. Anyway, I tried "looking around" ... actually, I searched for myself (always a good experiment w/ these things, 'cause you really know your subject ). After 30 min., I managed to find ONE post I wrote in 1999 or so, from a tech-writer's group I once frequented. It seems their LISTSERV echoed to a newsgroup, for those who couldn't figure out how to use private lists.... My privacy must not be in danger.... So, in looking at OUR archives, I saw that our domain names are hidden on the archived messages' return email addresses. They show up as "email.address@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" AND, when you click on the link in Outlook, you get, "email.address@DOMAIN.HIDDEN." Cool! Thanks Al, et. al... (Oh, *just* thought of that; couldn't resist ). --tim PS. I figured this was "on topic" enough, 'cause it's about OUR list . ------------------------------------------- "There's always a way to do it better.... Find it!" T.A. Edison ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:45:04 -0400 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 04 August 2002 11:05 am, Vic wrote: > It seems that you could use Datacomm or any other > terminal emulator on the LX to log into an account on > your Linux box via the serial port, transfer the file > from the LX to your Linux machine and then print it using > your favorite Linux application. Hi Vic, I've tried to keep my Linux questions to a minimum here, 'cause it's an LX list, BUT How do I set things up so I could log onto my Linux box w/ my LX? I've got my Linux comp. set up as a workstation, would this mean starting over and setting it up as a server? I'd be cool to login w/ my LX and have my own terminal sessions, be able to send/receive individual files, etc. WITH commands from the LX! How much would be involved in setting that up AND could I then run WWW/LX and HV on the LX, using the Linux computer as my Internet connection (and the serial cable between the LX and the computer)? Thanks in advance to all who help me tinker w/ this one..... --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:45:32 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) > 4. We will seek permission from author or legit owner to use the software > by our community if and when we find the author/legit owner. We will abide > by their conditions. I think that claim will only be taken seriously if we can show that we've actually done that in a serious way. Then we're talking about somebody spending their time and money researching ownership. > 5. Each person who downloads software promises to continue looking for the > legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other internet > resources. We will do it to the best of our ability. We will post our > results on the list for others to see. I don't think expressing the hope that someone will do this will be taken seriously. We should either actually make sure this happens, or not make the claim. Anything else will look like hypocrisy. For good reason. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:51:52 -0400 Reply-To: John J Vanderstel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vanderstel Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Avi, >5. Each person who downloads software promises to continue looking for the >legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other internet >resources. We will do it to the best of our ability. We will post our >results on the list for others to see. I think the rules you outlined sound good, except for mandating posting to newsgroups. Newsgroup postings are a major resource of email addresses for spammers, so I wouldn't be able to promise to post to newsgroups. I could agree to more general terms in this respect, though. Thanks for your thoughts on the above. I hope that we can come up with something that will work. Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan BTW, my intention was not to suggest hacking, in any form. I was attempting to justify the offering of whole software packages for download. My thoughts, in relation to this, was about the frequent practice of software authors having the software itself display contact info or other related info. I hope someone can come up with better wording. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:33:35 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Musielewicz wrote: > I'd be more than happy to donate lotus 2.4 and word perfect 5.1. > Borland C++ 3.0 (doesn't run on the LX though) too. By the way: Are there any hints on how I am to go about legally buying older software? Besides stuff like the latest 123 for DOS and a good wordprocessor that still uses letters and not graphics (Wordstar?) am am looking for Access and Excel of ca. 1995 vintage. I'll gladly accept abandonware of the kind where the support denies they ever made it, but for older version of still current software I need the legal license. Software doesn't wear out or break with use, so there ought to be enaugh about. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:14:04 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" wrote: > In essence > you would have to do an exhaustive search of the ownership, sufficient to > satify courts. That is VERY difficult to do, very difficult to prove, very > expensive and very time comsuming. Apparently there is an approved way to do this in Britain: An advertisement in The Times is deemed sufficient trial to find a holder of a copyright. Of course should one exist and answer you will have to pay a reasonable fee or the going price should the thing in question still be on sale after all, but that is what one was prepared to do anyway. > This criterion will likely fail in court. It makes no > difference if and asset is being sold. I do not sell my car, > it does not make it "abandoned". I don't think this is a sensible simile. There is one though, and i do not know how the law actually views it. Imagine there really was such a thing as the famed 100 mpg carburettor and some oil company really held it. If they were to produce and and market it the law is obvious. But if they just withheld it (as the urban myth claims) and I were to make it in my garage and sell it, what then? Of course they can claim royalties, but can they really stop an idea from being used, indefinetely in the case of copyright, twenty years for a patent? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:30:25 -0400 Reply-To: Dennis Vest Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dennis Vest Subject: Serial-Parallel cable w/DB25f end??? In-Reply-To: <006201c23a3a$78ae53c0$040d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of serial-parallel printer cables with Centronics ends, but I'd like something slightly different. We have several printers at work with cables for our laptops attached. Does anyone make a serial-parallel converter that has a short cable length that terminates in a 25 pin female connector that will couple with the cable already there? Thanks Dennis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/02 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:09:33 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: John J Vanderstel In-Reply-To: <20020804.115202.-838409.0.j_vanderstel@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/4/02-10:51 AM, John J Vanderstel wrote: > >5. Each person who downloads software promises to continue looking for >the > >legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other internet > >resources. We will do it to the best of our ability. We will post our > >results on the list for others to see. > >I think the rules you outlined sound good, except for mandating posting >to newsgroups. Sorry I agree with you, and I did not mean it to sound like you MUST post. I meant that people should be ACTIVELY looking,. For example, if a discussion in a newsgroup turns to old software, one of us who reads the group should post a "BTW - anyone knows this software author?" I agree that mandating is counterproductive. ALSO: if someone here posts in a newsgroup, he/she should also post the fact and the result in HPLX so we can document what has been done. >Newsgroup postings are a major resource of email addresses for spammers, >so I wouldn't be able to promise to post to newsgroups. I could agree to >more general terms in this respect, though. Several mitigations to spammers harvesting names: 1. Get a Yahoo.com email address. 2. post your email address like so: j_vanderstel _at_ juno.com or some other variant like j_vanderstel_refuses_to_acceptspam @ juno.com etc. It is an excuse to not do this when the opportunity presents. Do you EVER post in newsgroups? >Thanks for your thoughts on the above. I hope that we can come up with >something that will work. Thank _YOU_ for starting the thread in such a thoughtful way. >BTW, my intention was not to suggest hacking, in any form. I was >attempting to justify the offering of whole software packages for >download. But that is such a hokey excuse. The truth redeems you here. Just tell it like it is, don't fudge. You have a better chance to get cooperation. >My thoughts, in relation to this, was about the frequent practice of >software authors having the software itself display contact info or other >related info. As in the help files, banners and "About". Yes, that should be mentioned directly. I think your wording was a bit too well... "hackish" ("to pick it apart"). >I hope someone can come up with better wording. We have plenty of talent here. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:13 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D4D52CC.523EEF26@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/4/02-11:14 AM, Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De wrote: >Apparently there is an approved way to do this in Britain: Since the SUPER collection is on a server in Nevada, I think legal mitigations should take that location into account, not any other place. Also, Who would pay for the ad? >An advertisement in The Times is deemed sufficient trial to find a holder >of a copyright. Of course should one exist and answer you will have to >pay a reasonable fee or the going price should the thing in question >still be on sale after all, but that is what one was prepared to do >anyway. Exactly - this is not an effort to create another collection that encourages theft. If it is a software that is currently for sale, a user should either buy it, or erase the software if not willing to pay the price. That is the same as going to CompUSA and deciding to NOT buy software. It may be possible to negotiate with the author though. > > This criterion will likely fail in court. It makes no > > difference if and asset is being sold. I do not sell my car, > > it does not make it "abandoned". > >I don't think this is a sensible simile. There is one though, and i do >not know how the law actually views it. Imagine there really was such a >thing as the famed 100 mpg carburettor and some oil company really held >it. If they were to produce and and market it the law is obvious. But if >they just withheld it (as the urban myth claims) and I were to make it >in my garage and sell it, what then? If the own the patent and you infringe on it and manufacture then you are screwed! If you came up with the same idea and market it, their patent will prevent you from manufacturing it if the two ideas are similar enough for a court to side with them that you infringe. Such a lawsuit will cost you an arm and a leg. If you lose, you are done for 17 years, cannot progress. If you manufacture anyway, they can take ALL your money and leave you with ALL the expenses. If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. >Of course they can claim royalties, but can they really stop an idea from >being used, indefinetely in the case of copyright, twenty years for a patent? Yes, they can. And if you hold the patent, so can you! In addition to royalties (a per piece fee) they can charge you a license fee, and they can charge anything they want. In other countries the patents laws are similar. I am not familiar enough to talk about them. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:37:47 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804125411.01e31330@mail.alwaysafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/4/02-01:09 PM, I wrote wrote: >At 8/4/02-10:51 AM, John J Vanderstel wrote: >>I think the rules you outlined sound good, except for mandating posting >>to newsgroups. > >Sorry I agree with you, Nah!!! I am not sorry at all I agree with John Vanderstel... No idea how this came about... Thankfully the rest of the paragraph said better what I meant. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:44 -0700 Reply-To: patrick@west.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Patrick West Subject: Re: Abandonware Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De In-Reply-To: <3D4CD8CF.657CB815@Nexgo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:33:35 +0200, Axel Berger wrote: >John Musielewicz wrote: >By the way: Are there any hints on how I am to go about legally >buying older software? ...looking for Access and Excel of >ca. 1995 vintage. For microsoft products it is legal to run an older version if one= purchases the current version but doesn't run it. So go on Ebay or the like, buy the older version of excel or access and if it doesn't look like a fully legal copy purchase= the current version for CYA. Office 4.2 Excel 95 < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2043330466= > Office 4.3 < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2043437487= > -- Patrick West, patrickwest3@attbi.com on 08/04/2002 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:27:44 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804133518.01e60060@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Avi Meshar wrote: > >>I think the rules you outlined sound good, except for mandating posting > >>to newsgroups. > > > >Sorry I agree with you, > > Nah!!! I am not sorry at all I agree with John Vanderstel... No idea how > this came about... Thankfully the rest of the paragraph said better > what I meant. I read your sentence as "Sorry (my meaning was not clear,) I agree with you." I think that was what you meant. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:36:27 +0200 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul-J=FCrgen_Wagner?= Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tim, speaking about Unix, there's nothing like a workstation- or server-setup. You don't get dedicated versions of Linux, what makes the difference between a server and a workstation is the way the machine is used (no users are working directly on a server in a normal setup, except for maintainance. And servers usually have bigger disks and smaller screens and dirtier keyboards ... ;-)) If you have a SUSE, all you have to do is: 1) Cross your fingers. 2) Open the file /etc/rc.config with your favorite editor (vi is always a good choice ;;-)) 3) Search for SERIAL_CONSOLE 4) Add something like "ttyS0,9600" (serial line 0 aka COM1, 9600 baud) 5) Save 6) Reboot Crossing you fingers again while the machine is rebooting may help a little bit ... BE CAREFUL: I HAVEN'T TRIED THIS PROCEDURE!!! (In the early days, you would have changed the /etc/inittab to get a getty on a serial line, but virtually all current distributions have maintainance-utils (YAST in SUSE), and they dislike manual modifications in those files.) Now you just have to connect your LX to COM1, start some kind of Terminal application, set the baudrate, cross fingers again (to make sure, parity and all other stuff are matching), and you will see your nice little Linux-login on the palmtop. But ... I have no idea how to transfer files between your palm and your desktop in this fashion, maybe someone else has? Paul P.S.: Corrections and other suggestions how to do this setup are heavily wellcome! ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: Tim Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Comments: To: Paul-J|rgen Wagner In-Reply-To: <004801c23bf6$b1fc70e0$0301a8c0@HERKULES> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, On my Linux PC, I'm running Mandrake 8.2 (uses the Redhat RPM structure for adding programs) and KDE 3.0.2 as my GUI. I'll still take step 1 - Cross my fingers! . Any dif. between what to edit for Mandrake? TIA, --tim ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:53:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > I don't think this is a sensible simile. There is one though, and i do > not know how the law actually views it. Imagine there really was such a > thing as the famed 100 mpg carburettor and some oil company really held > it. If they were to produce and and market it the law is obvious. But if > they just withheld it (as the urban myth claims) and I were to make it > in my garage and sell it, what then? Of course they can claim royalties, > but can they really stop an idea from being used, indefinetely in the > case of copyright, twenty years for a patent? Yeah they can. The framers of the constitution set up copyrights and patents with an eye to just giving a temporary advantage to inventors/artists, etc. In their writings they specifically said that ownership of these things is silly and that was not what they were doing. But, since then, judged and legislators, both dependant on big business to some extent (usually to a large extent) for their next election, have contiually ignored the framers words and given ownership of intellectual property a very high level of support. At this point, we should never expect fairness or justice from these principles, which I think is what you're doing. It's just not there. It's been removed very carefully. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:57:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avi Meshar" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > At 8/4/02-11:14 AM, Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De wrote: > >Apparently there is an approved way to do this in Britain: > > Since the SUPER collection is on a server in Nevada, I think legal > mitigations should take that location into account, not any other place. Is that realistic, given the nature of the internet? A company whose product is on that site in Nevada might obtain a copy by downloading it from Texas. Are you sure he can't take that to the Texas courts? Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:26:21 +1200 Reply-To: Tony Hutchins Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tony Hutchins Subject: Re: Problem with PDU.SCR Comments: To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.DE In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable -- 16h07m ago, on 2002-08-04, Uli Allen wrote:=09=09 > I am trying to use Robot/LX + PDU + POST/LX. > The SMS is send via a C35i but the script is aborted before complition. > The Robot/LX Error message is: Variable not known sub (line 848 in file > PDU.SCR). Uli, I have now fixed this bug and have uploaded version 1.30 of POSTPDU to my homepage as shown below. You can now use a template with a To: header only. That was triggering the bug. Thanks for your report! -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:51:38 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:17:33 -0500, Avi Meshar wrote: > You never responded to me on the following test if "it is yours" or not: > Can you make copies and sell the software to others legally? If "it is > yours" you could. If not, it is not yours, you just bought a license to use > it. You can sell that one single copy of the license to the next person > legally, not more than that. While I agree with you that users normally purchase only a license to use software and not the software itself, I think your example here is seriously flawed. If I buy a book, I own the book. Not a license to read the book, but the book itself. Yet I do not have the right to copy the book and sell it for a profit. If I buy an original work of art, I own that work of art, not a license to look at it. Yet I suspect that I am not allowed to copy that work of art and sell the copies for a profit. If I buy a DVD with a movie, I own that DVD and the copy of the movie contained on it. I have not agreed to any license agreement, so I do own my copy, not a license to view it. Your argument that links ownership of a creative work to a right to sell copies does not work for these examples and I suspect many others. These creative works are protected by Copyright. Why can't the same laws protect software instead of resorting to the licensing arrangement that creates some much confusion and hostility. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:18:53 +0200 Reply-To: Ulrich.Allen@GMX.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Uli Allen Subject: AW: Problem with PDU.SCR Comments: To: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <0H0C009QQE88Z7@smtp2.clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo Tony, after your modification on pdu.scr it works great now. Thank you very much. Postpdu is very helpful if one wants to send sms but doesn't want to type on the phone like mad. Thanks too for your fast response. Uli ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:51:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Serial-Parallel cable w/DB25f end??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis 11h48m ago Dennis Vest wrote: > I have a couple of serial-parallel printer cables with > Centronics ends, but I'd like something slightly different. > We have several printers at work with cables for our laptops > attached. Does anyone make a serial-parallel converter that > has a short cable length that terminates in a 25 pin female > connector that will couple with the cable already there? I have never seen such a converter with DB25 end, although it would be great to have one. That would not only enable you to use cables which are otherwise attached to laptops or desktops, but that would also allow to use these data switches, so you can have both a desktop AND the LX attached to the printer and can switch between them.. The only solution would be to attach a home-made DB25 end, or to build or buy (if available) a Centronics to DB25 adapter. But I haven't seen such an adapter either. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:51:05 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 21h48m ago Axel Berger wrote: > By the way: Are there any hints on how I am to go about legally buying > older software? Besides stuff like the latest 123 for DOS and a good > wordprocessor that still uses letters and not graphics (Wordstar?) am = am Have you had a look at LaTeX (or LXTeX for the palmtop)? That one uses text mode for input and graphics mode for output. http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/lxtex GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:51:05 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 14h18m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > This should be easier on a Linux box than on a "P"C, not > harder . I thought so, too. But it isn't! ;-) > Remember that Linux/Unix is a multi-user system > that "expects" to find multiple "terminals" connected to the > serial ports, while a PC expects only user and one terminal, so ..you mean, DOS not a PC, don't you? Linux is a PC system. > It seems that you could use Datacomm or any other terminal > emulator on the LX to log into an account on your Linux box > via the serial port, transfer the file from the LX to your > Linux machine and then print it using your favorite Linux > application. If you set up a public directory, you could > transfer the file there from your LX account via the serial > port and then print it from your main console using a different > account. File transfer and printing from Linux is basically what I do currently, but I use the CF card and stick it into the desktop PC's PCMCIA drive to transfer the files. Simpler and much faster than the terminal-on-serial-port variant. But what I want is to be able to print directly FROM the palmtop, without an actual file transfer. So that the paltop thinks it has a printer on the serial port, nad linux only passes raw printer data on to the printer and doesn't get involved into the printing job at all actively. Thanks anyway, maybe I'll find a solution. Otherwise I must start DOSEMU or VMWARE with DOS and load one of these DOS programs which do that. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:51:07 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim 14h44m ago Tim wrote: > I've tried to keep my Linux questions to a minimum here, > 'cause it's an LX list, BUT How do I set things up > so I could log onto my Linux box w/ my LX? I've got my > Linux comp. set up as a workstation, would this mean > starting over and setting it up as a server? Not necessary. All you need is already in your current installation (probably). > I'd be cool to login w/ my LX and have my own terminal > sessions, be able to send/receive individual files, etc. > WITH commands from the LX! How much would be involved in > setting that up You mean, just display and keyboard of the LX as a terminal to the Linux PC? That's not a problem at all. I have done this before. You need a getty process on the serial port, this is configuratble in the /etc/inittab. Then you load datacomm or any other terminal software on the LX and you will get the login prompt on the LX. :-) I think I used agetty for that. Add a line in the initttab LX:2345:rspawn:/sbin/agetty -L 19200 ttyS0 vt102 for example. Adjust baud rate and port. Then connect the palmtop, start a terminal emulation, set it to the same parameters (or emulation VT100, work also), then call "telinit q" on the Linux box, which rereads inittab and starts the new process. You should get a login prompt on the LX. > AND could I then run WWW/LX and HV on the > LX, using the Linux computer as my Internet connection (and > the serial cable between the LX and the computer)? This is not possile with such a getty, I think. Although, maybe it is: if you write a WWW/LX script, which logs in to your Linux, then remotely starts the pppd (PPP deamon), then locally starts the ppp session... Well, I tried that, too, but without success. What I do to use WWW/LX connected to the Linux box over serial line is that I simply start an own pppd for the serial line, have my PC internet connection set up for dial on demand, and so I only have to boot Linux, connect the LX to the PC, press F5 in Post/LX, and I have a high-speed internet connection over DSL with my LX. :-) The Linux PC needs IP forwarding and IP masquerading. This is easy to set up. See http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/internet_sharing I don't think it's possible to combine a getty and a pppd on one serial line, but if you have two of them, you can set up one for getty and one for pppd and connect the palmtop to whateer you need. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:16:03 -0700 Reply-To: Michael Kopplin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michael Kopplin Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > But what I want is to be able to print directly FROM the palmtop, > without an actual file transfer. So that the paltop thinks it has a > printer on the serial port, nad linux only passes raw printer data on > to the printer and doesn't get involved into the printing job at all > actively. Have you tried cat instead of dd? cat < /dev/cua0 > /dev/lp1 I've seen it done this way before. Mike ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:54:53 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: theise@NETINS.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted:=20 Theodore Heise theise@NETINS=2ENET wrote on 4 Aug 2002 15:27:44 -0500:=20 > I read your sentence as "Sorry (my meaning was not clear,) I agree > with you=2E" I think that was what you meant=2E That is what I wanted to say that I agree with John Vanderstel, but when I= reread my own post it sounded to me to possibly be "sorry, but I do not agree with=2E=2E=2E" so I fixed it, just in case=2E Glad it did not come a= cross that I dd not agree=2E=2E=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:57:44 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Paul-J=FCrgen 10h14m ago Paul-J=3DFCrgen Wagner wrote: > But ... I have no idea how to transfer files between your palm and your > desktop in this fashion, maybe someone else has? Yes. There are different file transfer protocols used in such a setup. The most common one is, I think, zmodem, but also xmodem, ymodem and kermit should work. You need a terminal emulation on the LX which supports one of these, The built-in datacomm supports all these, it seems. See under "file"/"protocol" ("datei"/"protokoll" on my german LX). If you want to send a file, you usually choose "send file" in the terminal emulation, which lets you choose a file to send, then it sends the file, starting a receiver program on the opposite side, which can also be done manually before the send command is issued, if the automatical start is not working. The program to receive zmodem files on Linux should be rz. sz for send zmodem (if you want to send from Linux to LX). Same for ymodem (sy/ry) and xmodem (sx/rx), I would guess. Have never tried that with the LX, though ,but it should work. zmodem is the fastest, x- and ymodem are limited in speed, I think. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:07:09 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: barry@fbtc.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry,=20 You wrote on 4 Aug 2002 17:57:03 -0500 quoting me: >> Since the SUPER collection is on a server in Nevada, I think >> legal mitigations should take that location into account, not=20 >> any other place=2E > > Is that realistic, given the nature of the internet? A company > whose product is on that site in Nevada might obtain a copy by > downloading it from Texas=2E Are you sure he can't take that to the > Texas courts? I am not sure but I think not for the following reason: The act of doing something bad occured when tsome software was illegally uploaded to the server, which is in Nevada, even if the uploader who controlled the action= was in Germany, or wherever=2E Therefore, whoever controls the server and access to it will be on the hook=2E I do not think Texas has any jurisdict= ion on some illegal action that took place in another state or another place i= n the world (although I suspect Texas would like to think so =2E=2E=2E)= =20 Again, I am not a lawyer and taking legal advice from me is AT BEST a FOOLISH MOVE Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:29:52 -0400 Reply-To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic: Good to see your analytical mind in this thread!=20 You wrote on 4 Aug 2002 21:51:38 -0700 quoting me: >> You never responded to me on the following test if "it is yours" or not= : >> Can you make copies and sell the software to others legally? If "it is >> yours" you could=2E If not, it is not yours, you just bought a license = to >> use it=2E You can sell that one single copy of the license to the next=20= >> person legally, not more than that=2E > > If I buy a book, I own the book=2E Not a license to read the book, but t= he > book itself=2E Yet I do not have the right to copy the book and sell it = for=20 > a profit=2E Correct, this is a book and that is why my example confined itself to software=2E Even here, you own the paper and binding upon which the book i= s printed, but not the intellectual right to the story, hence you cannot legally print another copy and sell it=2E=20 It is similar to the case of software, in that you own the package, the CD= (or floppy), whatever manuals came with the software=2E Plus the license itself, but not the underlying software (parallels a bit to the story in the book=2E) > If I buy an original work of art, I own that work of art, not a > license to look at it=2E Yet I suspect that I am not allowed to > copy that work of art and sell the copies for a profit=2E Correct=2E same issue, it is not software=2E If you abstract software to b= ecome an "intellectual property" and the piece of art is also "intellectual property" (as would be the story in the book) now these example begin to align=2E You own the frame, the canvas of the art, but the intellectual property is not yours, and the test is that you cannot do with it as you please, such as make a copy and sell the copy=2E > If I buy a DVD with a movie, I own that DVD and the copy of the > movie contained on it=2E I have not agreed to any license > agreement, so I do own my copy, not a license to view it=2E Well, here again, the test is that you cannot copy it (I mean legally )= and sell the movie=2E The rights to it are NOT yours=2E But you own the pl= astic of the DVD, whatever papers came with it and an implied license to see the= movie as many times as you want, but not show it for profit=2E=20 > Your argument that links ownership of a creative work to a > right to sell copies does not work for these examples and I > suspect many others=2E But you argued yourself that you cannot do this=2E My link to a sale was o= nly to demonstrate the TEST that tells you what you really own, the whole thing, or just some part of that asset=2E=20 > These creative works are protected by Copyright=2E Why can't the same la= ws=20 > protect software instead of resorting to the licensing arrangement that=20= > creates some much confusion and hostility=2E Very good question=2E I think the main problem is that most people take th= e stand that bought software belongs totally to the buyer, while with a DVD the public has much more education to know that buying it does not include= a right to the creative part=2E Software vendors got tired of chasing pira= tes and resorted to the other protection of an asset=2E You must also be aware= I am sure that movie producers and music producers also find the Copyright law to be rather toothless in terms of flagrant deterrance=2E See for exam= ple the case against Napster=2E It would be great, I agree, if the public at large abided by the copyright and did not infringe on the property rights of software authors, music composers, artists and storytellers=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:44:46 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cri, sorry that I post your private message to the list, but I thought it is of general interest to the Linux users 1 day 09h38m ago _Cri_ wrote: > I think the crap you got from the first try was not HP200's fault, > because /dev/lp0 is not likely prepared to receive such raw data; > have you tried 'cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr' ? > > Or maybe we could arrange something with pipes or FIFOs... I have to > think about it a little bit... I have reported in my first mail that I get crap, even when only sending characters back and forth from LX to Linux or vice versa. I have now been able to eliminate this error source, by rereading the setserial man page. ;-) setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 115200 and configure the LX to 9600 8n1 does the trick. I still don't know why, but now it works. I can verify it with starting datacomm on the LX, setting it to 9600 8n1, terminal type TTY and then doing a echo hello > /dev/ttyS0 on the Linux box. Gives a "hello" on the LX. In the other direction, if I do a cat /dev/ttyS0 on the linux box, and enter hello[enter] on the LX, I get a hello on the linux console. Now, I tried again that dd if=3D/def/ttyS0 of=3D/dev/lp0 and started a print job on the LX, again with 9600 8n1. Nothing happened. I tried your solution: cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr Nothing happened (welll, in the /var/log/messages there was a notification that lpd was not able to print my job). Then I turned off lpr's file type recognition by printing to the raw lp queue, which is named "y2prn_lp.upp--raw-lp" on my SuSE system (check with ls -l /var/spool/lpd to see the names of your printer queues). So, I tried cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr -Py2prn_lp.upp--raw-lp Now it began to print - crap. :-( Also, if I used an intermediate file: cat /dev/ttyS0 > testprint and after the LX has finished its job, ctrl-c and sending the whole file to the printer using cat testprint > /dev/lp0 or lpr -Py2prn... testprint I get only crap. So what's up with the data coming from the palmtop? Does it contain some serial line control data, which should not be passed to the printer? Or does it contain the bytes in the wrong bit order? Or what's up there? BTW: The testprint file I created was 11900 bytes in size, and it came from a print job of one page of graphics-mode text (created by LXTeX's DVIDOT driver). Any ideas? GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:47:24 +0200 Reply-To: Hans Jacob Waern Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hans Jacob Waern Subject: SV: Posth6.2/PDU Comments: cc: Tony Hutchins In-Reply-To: <0H0C0006MKBE0Q@smtp1.clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tony! This looks really great to me! However 6.2D was not yet on the site when = I immediately after receiving this mail downloaded Posth just now = (2002-08-05 09.42 local time). Look forward to the new pht-file! Hans Jacob -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Tony Hutchins [mailto:th@paradise.net.nz] Skickat: den 5 augusti 2002 03:38 Till: Hans Jacob Waern =C4mne: Re: Posth6.2/PDU Hi Hans Jacob - I have uploaded POSTH version 6.2d with an example template called ph-om-.pht that does this: I am not sure if this is the type of thing you are after. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Jacob Waern To: th@paradise.net.nz Sent: Sun, 4.8.02 2:56 PM +0200 Subject: Posth6.2/PDU > I just downloaded Posth 6.2 which started to work fine as did > 6.0. However, I wondered if compose/reply pht:s could be made > to present a nicer graphical view, maybe with some horisontal > lines separating headers, original text and new etc, or have > I missed that among all the options. =20 -Tony http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for: =09 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH =09 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:56:55 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 03h52m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > If I buy a book, I own the book. Not a license to read the > book, but the book itself. Yet I do not have the right to copy > the book and sell it for a profit. I think it is the same whereever we go: We must distinguish between _matrial_ and _information_. You can own the material, so you may do whatever you want with it. i.e. a book, a diskette, a table, an LX.... throw it away, shreeder it, sell = it for 10 times the price you bought it etc. BUT: The information contained in many produts is _owned_ by the author. The program on the dskette, the composition of words in the book, and even the hardware and software design of the LX. All that may not be freely copied, sold etc. And if the table is not a generic one, but a designer table, it may be forbidden to even copy the design of the table. Copying information and selling it, especially if it's not owned by myself, would lead to something obviously paradox (IMO): _Material_ cannot be copied, it can only be moved. So selling it is just an exchange of material against money. Information _can_ be copied, so if you copy information and sell it an infinite amount of times, you would get infinite money for just one piece of original information. Sounds like M$, doesn't it? ;-) This may be adequate if you are the author of the information, or otherwise involved, like the official seller of the information, commissioned by the author. Are there any limits in how many copies (or licenses) I can sell of my own software? If I hit the general interest, every computer user wants to have my software, I could make incredibly much money with that. So there should be a limit. Well, obviously there is none, see Bill Gates... His developers have once programmed something quite useful for many people, but actually, Bill is so rich, because he is a good copier. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:42:39 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Serial-Parallel cable w/DB25f end??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Vest wrote: > Does anyone make a serial-parallel converter that > has a short cable length that terminates in a 25 pin female > connector that will couple with the cable already there? I'd suggest making an adaptor yourself. It is extremely easy and very cheap. The printer really only uses pins 1 through 11 and some earth. So you need to find a centronics male and a D-sub female, one of those with legs for PCB mounting if at all possible. Then you just solder up the top row of the D-sub to the centronics, pin 1:1, 2:2 etc. Use a bit of uninsulated silver coated 0.8 mm copper to join D-sub pins 18 to 25 and centronics pins 19 to 30 all together as earth. All those parallel connections in the top row make it quite rugged. I always use something similar when I need a D-sub to D-sub cable. I only carry a standard printer and a 9-pin nullmodem cable and about a dozen adaptors. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:44:45 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, while this discussion rages could everyone start dusting off their floppies and try to put their old software onto CD's??? At least if that is done we have a secure archive of the files. Then we can decide what to do, regards, Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:51:29 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi Meshar wrote: > in Nevada, I think legal > mitigations should take that location into account, > not any other place. You had been been stressing the inordinate amount of work and hassle involved. I just wanted to give one example of how it might turn out easier after all, just in case someone was put off by you. Not a lot of help I agree, but all I have to offer. > If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. Not that this matters any more than a fly on my window, but I think that then patent law is wrong and ought to be amended. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:58:23 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick West wrote: > For microsoft products it is legal to run an older version if one > purchases the current version but doesn't run it. Quite. But in this case the reason for asking is a different one. From all accounts those two are actually quite good programs enabling me do things I got used to on my Atari but can't do in Windows with the primitive Works so far. But they are far too expensive for me. Of course having upgraded you can't legally sell the base version, but small enterprises often buy new machines will all the bells and whistles and thus do have the old to sell. Only, it is not very feasable to reach for the yellow pages and begin at A, is it? Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:17:56 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Berger Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Have you had a look at LaTeX (or LXTeX for the palmtop)? That one uses > text mode for input and graphics mode for output. You misunderstood. They all use letters from the keyboard as input, I want letters and a fwew supported escape sequences as output and as internal format, not megabytes of binary graphics. I have LeTeX and I do like it for what it is superb at, but for simple letters I currently use a pure ASCII editor with directly embedded printer sequences and want something a bit, but not much, more sophisticated, mostly because those sequences are counted as letters and mess up automatic line breaks. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:30:52 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Kerwin Robertson In-Reply-To: <00af01c23c6d$1cf64a80$0100a8c0@rsa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Kerwin Robertson wrote: > Well, while this discussion rages could everyone start dusting off their > floppies > and try to put their old software onto CD's??? I did that a couple of months ago. I threw a little less than 1000 floppy disks, and filled 2 CDs, with games, OSes, softwares, drivers, stuff (hard to sort them). -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:27:31 -0700 Reply-To: Joseph.Buford@HSC.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Joseph Buford Subject: Re: HPLX-L Digest - 3 Aug 2002 (#2002-250) Comments: cc: nickknightonfk@HOTMAIL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:58:18 -0400 From: N Knight Subject: Re: Jornada 548 >If you are looking for a successor for the 200lx, the >548 is not it. >The 548 is a nice toy, if you want reliablility get your >200lx upgraded with Thaddeus. >The batteries on the 548 are supposd to last 8 hours....It >actually only lasts lesss than an hour. Nick, Thanks for the repy. I don't expect it to replace the 200lx! Haven't found anything to do that! But for $125 I can use it for photos and MP3's. My last MP3 player(A NEXII) cost me ~$105 w/shipping so This seems like a nice toy. Has anyone played with the Sony CLIE PEG-NR70V? A friend has one. I like the twist screen. I would like to see a 200lx format like this that would allow a palm type format (screen on the outside) as well as a 200lx sized keyboard. Joe ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:24:13 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > So, I tried > cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr -Py2prn_lp.upp--raw-lp > Now it began to print - crap. :-( > Also, if I used an intermediate file: > > cat /dev/ttyS0 > testprint > > and after the LX has finished its job, ctrl-c and sending the whole > file to the printer using > cat testprint > /dev/lp0 > or > lpr -Py2prn... testprint > I get only crap. > > So what's up with the data coming from the palmtop? Does it contain > some serial line control data, which should not be passed to the > printer? Or does it contain the bytes in the wrong bit order? Or what's > up there? Well, you didn't specify if you were getting partial crap or total crap. I don't suppose the extra linefeed character (^M) used by DOS is the problem? -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:32:36 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) In-Reply-To: <002101c23bce$0bea4740$110d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First, I liked Avi's list very much. Second, the criteria I proposed a while back were intended to be used with AND, not OR (i.e., all of them would have to be met). On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Barry wrote: > > 4. We will seek permission from author or legit owner to use the > software > > by our community if and when we find the author/legit owner. We > will abide > > by their conditions. > > I think that claim will only be taken seriously if we can show that > we've actually done that in a serious way. Then we're talking > about somebody spending their time and money researching ownership. This sitem by Avi is exactly what I suggested initially. I think that some effort to find the author would be necessary and that is should be documented, but I don't think it would have to be an onerous job. > > 5. Each person who downloads software promises to continue > looking for the > > legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other > internet > > resources. We will do it to the best of our ability. We will post > our > > results on the list for others to see. > > I don't think expressing the hope that someone will do this will be > taken seriously. We should either actually make sure this happens, > or not make the claim. Anything else will look like hypocrisy. > For good reason. I'm not convinced an ongoing effort would be needed, but if it were adopted as part of a policy, I agree it would need some mechanism to assure its completion. One way could be to assign expiration dates that are only extended when text describing additional searching is submitted. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:27:02 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Penick Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Bob Penick Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwann ABALEA" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Kerwin Robertson wrote: > > > Well, while this discussion rages could everyone start dusting off their > > floppies > > and try to put their old software onto CD's??? > > I did that a couple of months ago. I threw a little less than 1000 floppy > disks, and filled 2 CDs, with games, OSes, softwares, drivers, stuff (hard > to sort them). **************************************** I've done this as well, except I didn't throw out the old floppy disks. I think that I might need to reinstall at a later date with different hardware, personal info, etc.. DOS apps (unlike Windows) usually don't care what directory they are in. And, the setup or install programs usually write all the files in one directory. It's generally easy to install the old software to your hard disk so that you can make a CD backup. But, some apps want personal info when they install and they write that to a file that can't easily be modified later. If I wanted to make a backup copy of one of these apps so that it would be available to a friend when his copy crapped out (with no backup), would it be better to make my CD with image files of the diskettes instead of the installed programs? bob PS - Still looking for a friendly soul that might help with copies of some of the Framework IV disks! (And again - I know that Framework is NOT abandoned software and I DO have a legit copy with license numbers.) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:41:37 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Interesting Palmtop site! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 05.08.02 12:01 PM +0200 Hi friends, I just came across the homepage of Sebastian Zettl http://allagut.de/hplx which contains lots of interesting info, including, what we discussed some time ago, the method of ugrading a 512kB 95LX to 1MB! There is also a pinout table of the Hormet chipset, And information how to log analogue data using the 95LX and a self-made ADC. Sebastian, are you on this list? Your name sounds somehow familiar to me. Some of the external links on this page are outdated, though. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:55:15 +0100 Reply-To: "Svagr, Radek" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Svagr, Radek" Subject: Re: antivirus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Sorry, I don't remember from where I downloaded it. Just now I can't find this page by Google. I only remember, it was a german page. So anyone who want Scan for Dos which works on 200lx, contact me off list. I will respond for sure but it can take some time... Radek -----------original message--------------- From: John J Vander Stel Subject: Re: HPLX-L Digest - 13 Jul 2002 to 14 Jul 2002 (#2002-219) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Radek Svagr Subject: Re: antivirus? >April 2002 (still supported). Just curious. Is "Scan for DOS" still available for download from somewhere? If not, is it shareware or is it freeware now, and therefore distributable? Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:34:57 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kerwin 04h43m ago Kerwin Robertson wrote: > Well, while this discussion rages could everyone start dusting off = their > floppies > and try to put their old software onto CD's??? Have done that already some years ago. May I go on with discussion now? ;-) I have a CD full of DOS software, abt. half of it suitable for the palmtop. It includes a complete SUPER mirror, not the latest version, though. So, I have done my homework. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:40:15 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Bob Penick In-Reply-To: <001501c23c8c$2b43b220$ae2d010a@penickrh40w> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Bob Penick wrote: > From: "Erwann ABALEA": > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Kerwin Robertson wrote: > > > > > Well, while this discussion rages could everyone start dusting off their > > > floppies > > > and try to put their old software onto CD's??? > > > > I did that a couple of months ago. I threw a little less than 1000 floppy > > disks, and filled 2 CDs, with games, OSes, softwares, drivers, stuff (hard > > to sort them). > **************************************** > I've done this as well, except I didn't throw out the old floppy disks. I > think that I might need to reinstall at a later date with different > hardware, personal info, etc.. I saved an image of my installation floppy disks, so I can write them back onto other floppy disks, and reinstall. Some software allow to be installed from a directory on your hard drive, for example the Borland products (Turbo Pascal, Turbo C/C++). Some floppy disks were harder to copy than the others, for example the OS/2 Warp 3 disks, because of their weird format. > modified later. If I wanted to make a backup copy of one of these apps so > that it would be available to a friend when his copy crapped out (with no > backup), would it be better to make my CD with image files of the diskettes > instead of the installed programs? You've understood why I haven't backuped the 'installed' software, but the installation media. You can either use good tools like fdread and its associated wimage, or write your own (I did that a few years ago). All in all, it's easy. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:48:22 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Axel Berger In-Reply-To: <3D4E58B1.AA60E22D@NexGo.De> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Axel, At 8/5/02-05:51 AM, you wrote: >Avi Meshar wrote: > > in Nevada, I think legal > > mitigations should take that location into account, > > not any other place. > >You had been been stressing the inordinate amount of work and hassle >involved. I just wanted to give one example of how it might turn out >easier after all, just in case someone was put off by you. I do put off many people ... I know, I am just twisting your words. And yes, the example is good, and I wish it was useable in Nevada, because it is so much simpler than the contortions we may have to go through in the USA. > > If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. > >Not that this matters any more than a fly on my window, but I think that >then patent law is wrong and ought to be amended. I was also upset when I protested to the police that 75 mph was too slow and they gave me speeding ticket anyway. Laws are not made to satisfy us, but mostly to annoy us and keep us busy enough grumbling about them so we forget to get into troubles ... ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:04:28 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Part 3: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: Theodore Heise In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Ted, I wrote at some point, and Barry quoted me: > > > 5. Each person who downloads software promises to continue looking for > > > the legit owner/author by means of posting in newsgroups, and other > > > internet resources. We will do it to the best of our ability. We will > > > post our results on the list for others to see. > > > > I don't think expressing the hope that someone will do this will be > > taken seriously. We should either actually make sure this happens, > > or not make the claim. Anything else will look like hypocrisy. > > For good reason. > >I'm not convinced an ongoing effort would be needed, but if it were >adopted as part of a policy, I agree it would need some mechanism to >assure its completion. One way could be to assign expiration dates that >are only extended when text describing additional searching is submitted. It does not have to be onerous, such as everyone promises to post 15 times a week. I think that if we keep our eyes and ears open, and ask when the opportunity is there, and document what we did by a post here, that the effort But gee, I don't mean placing ads, will be ongoing, yet easy to do and almost incidental to the rest of out lives. Still, it will show and document a bona fide effort, a serious effort, a conscious effort, and give us nothing but goodwill and cooperation if and when we find the legit owner or author. I think that eventually the effort will wane and fade, and that is to be expected, but still we will be able to show through documentation a significant effort by the group, even if individually we are contributed a small part of it. As for completion: Why? It is a search. If you find the legit owner/author - great, effort completed. Otherwise it is like looking for lost relatives, an on-going search. I doubt we need anything massive, just keep eyes and ears open. When someone seems to know about old software, ask them. Do it publicly and use a modified email address to prevent being spammed. (Why publicly? Other people may remember or know.) If you are in a rummage sale, look for manuals. If you find old software caches (Longden Loo used to find a bunch!) check it out, maybe it something we have been looking for... But I never intended it to be a massive search by each person, no ads, no huge postings in 5000 newsgroups or anything like this. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:10:32 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudonimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudonimo Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805104352.02539ca0@mail.alwaysafe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. > > > >Not that this matters any more than a fly on my window, but I think = that > >then patent law is wrong and ought to be amended. >=20 > I was also upset when I protested to the police that 75 mph was too = slow > and they gave me speeding ticket anyway. Laws are not made to satisfy = us, > but mostly to annoy us and keep us busy enough grumbling about them so = we > forget to get into troubles ... Actually, I think laws are made to provide for the greater good. They're = also an instrument for political compromise. In the USA, people are = often of the mistaken impression that we live in a so called 'free = country'. Total freedom is anarchy. That means that the reasonable guy = who wants to do 70MPH has to contend with the reckless A#$&*hole who = feels that 130MPH is a reasonable speed. The line has to be drawn = somewhere. What we live in is a democracy. We have to balance the wants and needs = of everyone and arrive at a compromise (that makes nobody happy). That's = life, but it's better than an enforcement that makes a minority happy at = the cost of all other's needs and wants. As for patent law, it has flaws that, in some cases, do not serve the = greater good in the best way. There are things about patent law that = stifle innovation. This runs counter to the 'mission' it is supposed to = fulfill. As people start to realize this, changes will come. Personally, I fear for the future of intellectual property. I fear that = the concept of intellectual propoerty will be a thing of the past. We = must have a way for the creators of soft content to be properly = compensated for their efforts or else we will lose a huge sector of the = economy. Perhaps the only way to ensure the concept is to use a = subscription based model where the content is not delivered in a = 'copyable' media. People won't like it but, if there's no money in it, = authors will have to get real jobs... like cleaning toilets or sumthin'. BTW: My .02$, FWIW. I do not engrave my opinions in granite so feel free = to bust apart what I have said (just don't make it personal ;^> ) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:56:02 +0100 Reply-To: "Svagr, Radek" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Svagr, Radek" Subject: Re: Backlight questions to Martin and Radek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > > Hi friends > > especially Martin Vagner and Radek Svagr, > > does anyone of you have a _working_ backlight setup by now? Not yet. Too busy. (Job change) > if yes, did you have to peel off the lower polarization layer from the Yes. It wasn't easy but with a very big care it was doable. > screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX? Inverter will use a chip from SIPEX don't remember exact part number. Will fit into the hinge. > > Radek, what about the DIY kit? See above. The interest was not so big as I originally expected BUT I still WANT to make that kit. I have some parts of the project "partially" ready. Radek ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:55:51 -0400 Reply-To: Eric Greenspoon Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eric Greenspoon Subject: 200LX lid fastener Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My 200LX just suffered its first fall in 7 years. Not too severe. Just a 3 foot drop onto a ceramic tiled floor. Fortunately the lid was closed. First inspection didn't turn anything up except for a separation in the chasis around the hinge area. I was able to snap it back in place without a hitch. On closer inspection I've noticed that the lid fastener is now hanging limp and does not fasten to the body. It's not a big deal but is there a way of fixing this that's not too complicated? Thanks! Eric ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:27:04 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: 200LX lid fastener MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 14m ago Eric Greenspoon wrote: > On closer inspection I've noticed that the lid fastener is now hanging = limp > and does not fasten to the body. > It's not a big deal but is there a way of fixing this that's not too > complicated? See http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair/index.shtml#latch -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:47:15 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:17:33 -0500, Avi Meshar wrote: > > > You never responded to me on the following test if "it is yours" or not: > > Can you make copies and sell the software to others legally? If "it is > > yours" you could. If not, it is not yours, you just bought a license to use > > it. You can sell that one single copy of the license to the next person > > legally, not more than that. > > While I agree with you that users normally purchase only a > license to use software and not the software itself, I think > your example here is seriously flawed. > > If I buy a book, I own the book. Not a license to read the > book, but the book itself. Yet I do not have the right to copy > the book and sell it for a profit. > > If I buy an original work of art, I own that work of art, not a > license to look at it. Yet I suspect that I am not allowed to > copy that work of art and sell the copies for a profit. The example of a work of art points out how useless it is to say that if you have certain rights with one thing you should have those rights with another thing. Every copyrighted medium has (or can have) it's on special, specific protections. Art works (painting, sculpture, drawing, etc is a particularly dramatic example of that. Unlike other media, when you buy a painting you do NOT have the right to destroy it or deface it or to harm it in any way. In fact, doing so is, in most places, a felony. Obviously you can delete software (which is pretty harmful to it) and you can throw away a book and you can scratch a CD or record. But burn a painting you've bought and you can spend time in prison. You can always legally make a backup copy of a music CD but you can't share it with a friend. You can always share a book with a friend but making a backup copy is questionable. The point is that these kinds of comparisons are usually meaningless. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:50 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > I am not sure but I think not for the following reason: The act of doing > something bad occured when tsome software was illegally uploaded to the > server, which is in Nevada, even if the uploader who controlled the action > was in Germany, or wherever. Therefore, whoever controls the server and > access to it will be on the hook. I do not think Texas has any jurisdiction > on some illegal action that took place in another state or another place in > the world (although I suspect Texas would like to think so ...) > > Again, I am not a lawyer and taking legal advice from me is AT BEST a > FOOLISH MOVE Avi What I was thinking about when I asked the question was several news stories in the past year or two when someone has been arrested in Houston for downloading child pornography. Somestimes posted in countries where it isn't illegal. They got arrested in Houston. I'm not sure this really means anything in this discussion but it's the only situation I know of. Well, then there's Skilarov. His company uploaded something legal in Russia to their site in Russia. He was arrested when he came to the USA. I think he's been released since, but I suspect that might just be for political reasons. But, who knows. I think it's time we start learning about freedom of speech from countries like Russia. The basic idea of freedom of speech is a good one and it would be nice to have in the USA, too. I've always wondered why the founding fathers didn't get REAL serious about it in the 1st amendment. But if I said they just gave it "lip service" i might be accused of punning. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:03:03 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > Even here, you own the paper and binding upon which the book is >printed, but not the intellectual right to the story Part of the problem is that we don't really have an adequate vocabulary to properly such issues. I would infer from the above statement that we don't have the right to learn from the story. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:07:21 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Axel Berger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > > If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. > Not that this matters any more than a fly on my window, but I think that > then patent law is wrong and ought to be amended. I totally agree with you and I think it matters a great deal and I hope you'll keep saying. I've been saying that for years. Now and then someone thinks it over and agrees with me. Admittedly that isn't a lot of progrress. But it's a small step in the right direction. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:57:43 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" In-Reply-To: <114780-2200281572952916@M2W043.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 03:29 am, hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM wrote: > > If I buy a book, I own the book. Not a license to read the book, but the > > book itself. Yet I do not have the right to copy the book and sell it for > > a profit. > > Correct, this is a book and that is why my example confined itself to > software. Even here, you own the paper and binding upon which the book is > printed, but not the intellectual right to the story, hence you cannot > legally print another copy and sell it. > > It is similar to the case of software, in that you own the package, the CD > (or floppy), whatever manuals came with the software. Plus the license > itself, but not the underlying software (parallels a bit to the story in > the book.) [other examples snipped to save space] I agree with the paper <> disk analogy, but there are other issues. The book is mine forever. Many software licenses can be terminated by the seller under certain conditions - so I do not yet accept that they are the same. But I'm sure you will still try to convince me I am wrong. Vic (using KMail from his new Linux system) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:03:08 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 04:56 am, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > Are there any limits in how many copies (or licenses) I can sell of > my own software? If I hit the general interest, every computer user > wants to have my software, I could make incredibly much money with > that. So there should be a limit. Well, obviously there is none, see > Bill Gates... His developers have once programmed something quite useful > for many people, but actually, Bill is so rich, because he is a good > copier. ;-) > Why should there be a limit? if I write a good program and 100 million people want a copy, I should be able to sell a copy to each one. Unless you are a Socialist perhaps , But I do agree this why there is so much software piracy. People see the "cost" of the software as only the disk, so they do not think they are stealing anything with much value. Many of these same people would never steal a car or something where they could 'see" the value of the object. Vic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:07:20 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <000201c23ce0$0f9418e0$3b0d22d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 04:47 pm, Barry wrote: > > Every copyrighted medium has (or can have) it's on special, > specific protections. Art works (painting, sculpture, drawing, etc > is a particularly dramatic example of that. Unlike other media, > when you buy a painting you do NOT have the right to destroy it or > deface it or to harm it in any way. In fact, doing so is, in most > places, a felony. > > Obviously you can delete software (which is pretty harmful to it) > and you can throw away a book and you can scratch a CD or record. > But burn a painting you've bought and you can spend time in prison. News to me. Interesting. Vic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:19:14 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 01:51 am, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > ..you mean, DOS not a PC, don't you? Linux is a PC system. > Aha! You have taken the bait. As I try to learn Linux I am participating in newsgroups with lots of Linux purists. To many people the term "PC" means a IBM-style or MS/Intel computer. That definition would exclude the Mac and that is how PC is normally used. I think we need to be more expansive and accept that PC is any "personal computer" and includes Macs and other variants of "personal computers". However, many in the Linux/Unix community would claim that a Linux box is a "multi-user workstation" not a "personal computer". I just installed Open Office in my account on this Linux box, but that does not get it installed in my son's account on this same machine. The core Open Office files are in one central location, but each user must install a stub of the program in his/her own home directory. Linux/Unix is definitely different and I personally would not call it a PC. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:27:40 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 09:07 pm, Victor Roberts wrote: > On Monday 05 August 2002 04:47 pm, Barry wrote: > > Every copyrighted medium has (or can have) it's on special, > > specific protections. Art works (painting, sculpture, drawing, etc > > is a particularly dramatic example of that. Unlike other media, > > when you buy a painting you do NOT have the right to destroy it or > > deface it or to harm it in any way. In fact, doing so is, in most > > places, a felony. > > > > Obviously you can delete software (which is pretty harmful to it) > > and you can throw away a book and you can scratch a CD or record. > > But burn a painting you've bought and you can spend time in prison. > > News to me. Interesting. > Barry, My wife is an artist and says that she has never heard about any law that prevents the destruction of art work, even original works of art. Do you have any reference that would provide more information about this law? Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:24:12 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: barry@FBTC.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry,=20 > Well, then there's Skilarov=2E His company uploaded something legal > in Russia to their site in Russia=2E He was arrested when he came to > the USA=2E I think he's been released since, but I suspect that > might just be for political reasons=2E But, who knows=2E Yes, and VERY soon thereafter released WITH an apology that the arrest was= incorrect, not just a stupid move against freedom of expression=2E The legalese of the situation were simply wrong on the part of woever issued the arrest warrant=2E That the dumbest legal move for the year 2001=2E=20 > I think it's time we start learning about freedom of speech from > countries like Russia=2E I think that is ill-advised and a folly=2E Don't do this=2E If a parallel = case occured in Russia, the alleged perpetrator would rot in jail for years precisely because there are NO guarantees of freedom of speech=2E > The basic idea of freedom of speech is a good one and it would be nice t= o > have in the USA, too=2E Sorry, but I am afraid your knowledge of what you say here is serious;y defective=2E I gues this a nice way of saying "Hell, boy, you haven't got = an nkling about what you are taling about!" =2E=2E=2E I lived in severa= l places in the world, including some of the more celebrated democracies, an= d I am relieved to live here, in the USA=2E Am I blindly proud of what happe= ns here all the time? No=2E But that is outside the discussion about how to devise a site that can house software that we want and need and is threatened with extinction and disappearance=2E > I've always wondered why the founding fathers didn't get REAL > serious about it in the 1st amendment=2E Good topic, but not for HPLX List=2E > But if I said they just gave it "lip service" i might be accused of > punning=2E :) Whom did their lips serve? Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: barry@FBTC.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry,=20 It is perfectly clear to me =2E=2E=2E Which part of "NO" is not clear= to you? Anyway, I know you kow better=2E No rigt to the intellectual property of the story means that you cannot claim the story as your own story, the fruit of your own mind=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E but you knew that, huh? = ;-)=20 Avi ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe=2Ecom" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > Even here, you own the paper and binding upon which the book is >printed, but not the intellectual right to the story Part of the problem is that we don't really have an adequate vocabulary to properly such issues=2E I would infer from the above statement that we don't have the right to learn from the story=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:34:07 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Patent Law (was re abandonware) Comments: To: barry@FBTC.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to put in my own voice that that law, and several others I know of are simply awful=2E They should be changed=2E=20 I changed the subject so this protest thread has a home of its own, and does not confuse the important discussion about how we can put together a website for old software we would like to preserve=2E=20 Avi Re:=20 > > then patent law is wrong and ought to be amended=2E > I totally agree with you and I think it matters a great deal and I -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:43:47 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: robertsv@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vic,=20 >I agree with the paper <> disk analogy, but there are other issues=2E The= >book is mine forever=2E Many software licenses can be terminated by the >seller under certain conditions - so I do not yet accept that they are th= e >same=2E But I'm sure you will still try to convince me I am wrong=2E Sorry, I have no investment in you continuing to carry incorrect ideas, that is fine with me =2E=2E=2E But why is it a necessity that every a= sset will be treated the same way, using the same rules? This has never been th= e case in any legal system nor in any society=2E So licenses are changeable,= and your book is not=2E=20 Still, after all this - all I want you to take with you is the notion that= software is treated like so,, regardless of how other assets are treated=2E= The ONLY interesting points about other assetsis where they and software are parallel=2E=20 BTW: Congratulations on the new Linux system!=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:56:49 -0700 Reply-To: Marta Pierce Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Marta Pierce Organization: Family Subject: Online bible questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello HPLX, Okay, again I am trying to use the online bible on my hp200lx. I want it on my 256mg pc card. I have the version 6.22. do I copy all the av.dat (from hisword)files over to the bible directory? Any help at all would be greatly apprecitated. -- Best regards, Marta mailto:Marta1@attbi.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:46:34 -0700 Reply-To: fmc@REANIMATORS.ORG Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frank McConnell Subject: FLUFF Re: Old Sofwwre In-Reply-To: Victor Roberts's message of "Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:27:40 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Victor Roberts wrote: > My wife is an artist and says that she has never heard about any law that > prevents the destruction of art work, even original works of art. Do you have > any reference that would provide more information about this law? Moral rights. The notion in this case appears to be about the rights of artists to prevent destruction and mutilation of their works of visual art. Which I guess makes sense, if what you want to prevent is someone taking J. Random Artist's work, modifying it, and continuing to claim that it is still J. Random Artist's work. If you're feeling webby, try keying "Visual Artist's Rights Act" into Google and you will probably turn up references to the law as it exists in the US. -Frank McConnell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:38 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 04h29m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > Why should there be a limit? if I write a good program and 100 million = people > want a copy, I should be able to sell a copy to each one. Unless you = are a > Socialist perhaps , The reason is simply philosophical: IF I write a program, which anyone on earth wants, I only write in once, then make billions of copies and sell the copies, each for the price I sell "the program" for. Well, in more detail: Usually if I write a program, I see the effort which was necessary to write it and try to convert that into an amount of money. Then I divide that amount of money by the expected demand, add a little profit for me, and I get the price for each copy. If I have estimated the demand correctly, I'm happy. If I overestimated it, I maybe have to set a higher price while selling, or I'll be unhappy. BUT: If I underestimated the demand, or if the demand is simply so huge that one copy had to cost less than the media which it is stored on, then there is obvioulsy something wrong. Let's assume an infinite demand. I would get infinite money, just for writing _one_ program and copying it. Of course I would be happy (so, I'm probably no socialist ;-). But is that right? It is "only" information, no material, so is it really _worth_ all that money? Can a piece of information considered to be worth an almost infinite amount of money, just because everyone wants it? Well, maybe the meaning if information will be much greater in future than the meaning of material. actually, this is already the case. At least in countries where there is plenty of material available. > But I do agree this why there is so much software piracy. People see = the > "cost" of the software as only the disk, so they do not think they are > stealing anything with much value. Many of these same people would = never > steal a car or something where they could 'see" the value of the = object. I'm sure people would steal as much things as software, if the things would be as easy copiable as software. So I don't think the don't see the cost of the software itself, but they simply don't want to give away their money. It happens only very occasionally to me that I really _want_ to give the asked amount of money for something. The weekly grocery visits are certainly _not_ such a case. ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:40 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 04h48m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > accept that PC is any "personal computer" and includes Macs and other > variants of "personal computers". > > However, many in the Linux/Unix community would claim that a Linux box = is a > "multi-user workstation" not a "personal computer". I just installed = Open > Office in my account on this Linux box, but that does not get it = installed in > my son's account on this same machine. The core Open Office files are = in one > central location, but each user must install a stub of the program in = his/her > own home directory. Linux/Unix is definitely different and I personally = would > not call it a PC. I think the term PC does only describe the hardware. It is a computer for personal use. Whatever software you load, cannot turn the PC hardware into something different. Although there is some truth about Linux not beeing a typical PC _kind_oF_ software, but Linux is the Unix for PCs, so I think the PC stays a PC, even if you run Linux on it. OTOH, even a peronal Mac omputer is NOT called PC, although it is a personal thing, but that is, I believe, mainly to distinguish the wo different internal architectures. A Mac is not a PC, although it is usually personal. To get this a bot on-topic again: The palmtop should then be a VPC (very personal PC). ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:20:26 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote: > You can always legally make a backup copy of a music CD but you > can't share it with a friend. Under German law you are explicitly allowed to make a copy of a video or CD you borrowed from a library or an aquaintance. You are also allowed to make copies from your own CDs and give them to family members or personal relations. The rationale behind that, as far as I know, was and is, that music and plays are considered culture and the dissemination of culture is a good thing and to be encouraged. An interesting thing about so called "copy protection". According to the defined standard these "protected" CDs are defective, they can't be played in new DVD CD players and in most CD car radios, but they can be copied by those who know how. So what you can do, and totally legally and within the law: You buy it, make a copy for the car, as you don't want to leave expensive origanls in there, do you, and then find out it is defective. You then take it back to the shop and get your money back, plus, under newer German law, the cost of your journey back to the shop. There is one more very good reason to do and encourage this: The error correction rewdundancy is in there for a very good reason. When allif it is already used up by errors written on purpose as "protection", any, even the slightest scratch can't be corrected any more. This is not a CD but a missold piece of junk. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:03:36 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: Re: Admiration/Kudos for the HPLX List archive system! Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tim writes: > Hi all, > > Tinkering and for the first time in a long time (perhaps first ever w/ this > list), I went into the web-based archives for a message search. > > I got quite a few "message not found" errors, AFTER clicking on links from > my "found" list *BUT* the cool part is how it's set to automatically mask > our email domains from web spiders, archivers, etc. And just this morning I received a letter from someone (not a regular list contributer) saying they saw my letter on the archive list and wanted to know about what I wrote..... Followed by the message: "By the way you might be interested in this offer I have for you" followed by lots of lines of HTML which I didnt bother reading. First time I have received this type of mail and Im not sure if it was genuine interest. I oubt it and removed the mail without answering. -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:10 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > So, COM binaries are mostly, but not always as large to fill up a > cluster. But all these nice Stefan-Peichl-Utilities (except the more > complex ones like LXPRO or LXPIC) need less than a cluster and thus - > sorry Stefan ;-) - waste disk space. Why didn't you write your utilities > with C or Basic?? Let's philisophize a bit on _wasting_ and _needing_ > disk space! ;-) I conclude that the best programming practice for the LX is adding features to our best programs until they exactly fill one cluster. So , in the good old CP/M tradition, fill programs up with a HEX calculator, debugger, battery gauge etc. Or use the old CPM trick of merging the programs into one single library DOALL.COM program. Hit a button, and the chosen program is jumped to. For those unconscious of the old CP/M tricks - here follows a bit of history of those programs: Layout: 100....END at address 100: jump to relocator at top of program. Read in a keystroke, and if valid: relocate relevant program to down addres location 100, and jump there. ( all programs started at 100). if keystroke not valid: display a small help screen and wait again for keystroke. And of course, restarting the last run program was even easier: run a program of size zero. Useful with 100KB disks. Of course, the (percentage) gain is enormous, now we can put 1GB flashdisks with big clusters in the LX . Michel ( who still owns an 1982 Epson PX-8 laptop with real CP/M and plus an 128KB intelligent ramdisk) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:09:30 +1000 Reply-To: Tim Pitman Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Tim Pitman Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], In-Reply-To: <002901c23d2d$7540d140$73573b3e@bel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But it's important to consider not only disk space requirements, but also RAM usage. Programs such as TSRs should be as small as possible so that many can be loaded without wasting RAM. -----Original Message----- From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On Behalf Of Michel Bel I conclude that the best programming practice for the LX is adding features to our best programs until they exactly fill one cluster. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:27:23 -0400 Reply-To: David Firth Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Firth Subject: Dataviz HP LX sync to Mac Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have the HP LX to Mac cable but am looking for the Dataviz sync software for Mac. If someone has a copy that they no longer need, pls email me with an offer. Thanks! -- djfirth@earthlink.net djfirth@mindspring.com HP 100LX: It isn't the size of the hardware that matters ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:31:10 -0400 Reply-To: David Firth Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Firth Subject: Re: antivirus? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you mean the old McAfee shareware SCAN and CLEAN programs for DOS, I still have copies. Email me directly and I'll send the zip files. -- djfirth@earthlink.net djfirth@mindspring.com HP 100LX: It isn't the size of the hardware that matters ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:04:06 +0200 Reply-To: davidb@netmedia.net.il Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Becher Subject: running software on a server (was Re: Old Sofwwre) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Barry writes: > > to the rental site and rent two days' access to Excel. The > program never > > runs on _your_ machine, only on the site. The data is never on > the site, > > always on your computer. Somehow (this future is to be developed > in the > > future) Excel-on-the-site processes the data-on-your-machine. > After two > > days, blip, no more Excel, but your data is intact. > > How is that possible? The program has to operate on the data. At > least some of the data has to be on the server or some of the > program has to be on the PC. If some of the data is on the server, > we'd have no way of knowing it didn't keep it, accumulate it, and > end up with a copy. That copy, in some cases, could be pretty > valuable. What is the difference between this scenario and the scenario when I run software over a network today. In some cases the software(the executable files) is not on my computer at all. I run the software on MY MACHINE but the code resides on the server. In order to do this commerically what is needed is authorization which would let you execute the executable files but not copy them -- ** David Becher ** davidb@netmedia.net.il davidb@cimatron.co.il ** www.cimatron.co.il ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:40:34 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: fmc@REANIMATORS.ORG In-Reply-To: <200208060546.g765kY03044301@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 06 August 2002 01:46 am, Frank McConnell wrote: > Victor Roberts wrote: > > My wife is an artist and says that she has never heard about any law that > > prevents the destruction of art work, even original works of art. Do you > > have any reference that would provide more information about this law? > > Moral rights. The notion in this case appears to be about the rights > of artists to prevent destruction and mutilation of their works of > visual art. Which I guess makes sense, if what you want to prevent is > someone taking J. Random Artist's work, modifying it, and continuing > to claim that it is still J. Random Artist's work. > > If you're feeling webby, try keying "Visual Artist's Rights Act" > into Google and you will probably turn up references to the law as > it exists in the US. I am not a lawyer and have not read the entire act, but it seems to cover only changes in a visual work that would be visible upon display. I see no prohibition against destruction of an artwork. These are two very different acts. The first misrepresents the original artist's intentions. The second does not. -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:46:19 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" In-Reply-To: <128590-2200282634347893@M2W045.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 05 August 2002 11:43 pm, hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > Vic, > > >I agree with the paper <> disk analogy, but there are other issues. The > >book is mine forever. Many software licenses can be terminated by the > >seller under certain conditions - so I do not yet accept that they are the > >same. But I'm sure you will still try to convince me I am wrong. > > Sorry, I have no investment in you continuing to carry incorrect ideas, > that is fine with me ... But why is it a necessity that every asset > will be treated the same way, using the same rules? This has never been the > case in any legal system nor in any society. So licenses are changeable, > and your book is not. I never said that every asset should be treated the same way, It was you, Avi, who proposed a universal test to determine if someone _really_ owned something. I was only responding to the issue that you raised with your own test. -- Vic ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:23:55 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: Abandonware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Axel wrote: > You misunderstood. They all use letters from the keyboard as input, I > want letters and a fwew supported escape sequences as output and as > internal format, not megabytes of binary graphics. I have LeTeX and I do > like it for what it is superb at, but for simple letters I currently use > a pure ASCII editor with directly embedded printer sequences and want > something a bit, but not much, more sophisticated, mostly because those > sequences are counted as letters and mess up automatic line breaks. You may be interested in the DOS versions of WordPerfect. There is some binary glop saved out, but plain text is stored pretty much as text internal to the file. And the glop is there to define the default printer and font, which you may find useful. I have not tried, but I think a template file could be set up to leave out all the default stuff and shrink the file somewhat. Even on the oldest versions, the embedded sequences for bolding, centering, or whatever are supported. And if the binary stuff ever becomes onerous, the file can be saved as DOS text, though you will lose the embedded commands. Yes, WordPerfect can be sophisticated. But, it can be usful as a simple text editor as well. I use it on the 200LX only because I know it. The internal memo or note taker would probably work as well for most of what I do with WP 5.1. And as a bonus the WordPerfect ED.EXE editor is a plain ASCII editor (or a macro editor, or a binary editor) with compatible (mostly) keystroke commands. Steve P.S. I just looked and there is a setup option to not format documents for the default printer, and that should minimize file size. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:41:41 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Eduardo Seudonimo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Personally, I fear for the future of intellectual property. I fear > that the concept of intellectual propoerty will be a thing of > the past. We must have a way for the creators of soft content > to be properly compensated for their efforts or else we will lose > a huge sector of the economy. Perhaps the only way to ensure > the concept is to use a subscription based model where the > content is not delivered in a 'copyable' media. People won't like > it but, if there's no money in it, authors will have to get real > jobs... like cleaning toilets or sumthin'. I totally disagree!!! Copyright law is supposed to give the creative people a short term monopoly to encourage their creativity. That's a good idea. But hardly a necessity. Creative people are creative and will continute to be creative. Most creative people, most of the time, aren't thinking about making money, they're fascinated with creating. And the also want to make money with it. But the best, and the mediocre and even most of the not-so-good creators do it because they love it. Still, rewarding them is in our interest and it's also a nice thing to do. But it ain't necessary. If we don't give the creator of something any better chance to profit from it than anyone else, he still has an edge because he's first. From that point how well he does depends partly on his continuing ability, his financing, how much better others might do the same thing, and just plain luck. Nothing unfair about that. The other side of that is that the things we create become part of who we are. The point of the book you write is for people to read it. Why? Because that's how we define literature. Write a novel and you've created art in a long established form. It's not yours. It's part of who we are. So let's either use copyright laws fairly to offer a reasonable but limited award to the creative to encourage their creativity, or let's drop it and not have copyright laws. Creative people might create a little less but not that much. But we might have a better chance at being exposed to their creation. I personally prefer to fix the copyright laws and bring them to something like fairness. If we can do that, fine. If we can't, lets just drop them. They're useful but they're not essential. And right now I think they do more harm than good. I'm not saying we should ignore copyright laws. I'm saying let's fix them or eliminate them. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:21:48 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > On Monday 05 August 2002 09:07 pm, Victor Roberts wrote: > > On Monday 05 August 2002 04:47 pm, Barry wrote: > > > Every copyrighted medium has (or can have) it's on special, > > > specific protections. Art works (painting, sculpture, drawing, etc > > > is a particularly dramatic example of that. Unlike other media, > > > when you buy a painting you do NOT have the right to destroy it or > > > deface it or to harm it in any way. In fact, doing so is, in most > > > places, a felony. > > > > > > Obviously you can delete software (which is pretty harmful to it) > > > and you can throw away a book and you can scratch a CD or record. > > > But burn a painting you've bought and you can spend time in prison. > > > > News to me. Interesting. > > > > Barry, > > My wife is an artist and says that she has never heard about any law that > prevents the destruction of art work, even original works of art. Do you have > any reference that would provide more information about this law? I just spent a little while searching Google and I didn't find any reference. However, I've been an amateur artist all my life (emphasis on amateur) and stories on the news about art have always caught my attention and I've seen reference to this a number of times over the years. I'm pretty sure it's true but I don't know how to look it up at the moment. I'll see if I can find out more. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:30:47 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) >> I think it's time we start learning about freedom of speech from >> countries like Russia. > >I think that is ill-advised and a folly. Don't do this. If a parallel case >occured in Russia, the alleged perpetrator would rot in jail for years >precisely because there are NO guarantees of freedom of speech. > >> The basic idea of freedom of speech is a good one and it would be nice to >> have in the USA, too. > >Sorry, but I am afraid your knowledge of what you say here is serious;y >defective. I gues this a nice way of saying "Hell, boy, you haven't got an >nkling about what you are taling about!" ... I lived in several >places in the world, including some of the more celebrated democracies, and >I am relieved to live here, in the USA. Am I blindly proud of what happens >here all the time? No. But that is outside the discussion about how to >devise a site that can house software that we want and need and is >threatened with extinction and disappearance. But is my knowlege as defective as your ability to detect sarcasm? I'm a pretty proud American most of the time. But not blindly proud. We've done some pretty good things, often when we didn't have to but just wanted to. We're good at that. But we're often cruel and anal and viscious. I'm not blind to that side of us. There have been lots of things this country has done that has made me blush with shame. There'll be a lot more. Add it all up and I love this country. (Mostly because it's got Texas in it.:) But lots and lots of other reason's, too. But not blindly. Never blindly. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:33:55 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre >Barry, > >It is perfectly clear to me ... Which part of "NO" is not clear to >you? Anyway, I know you kow better. No rigt to the intellectual >property of the story means that you cannot claim the story as your own >story, the fruit of your own mind. .... but you knew that, huh? ;-) > >Avi > >> Even here, you own the paper and binding upon which the book is >>printed, but not the intellectual right to the story > >Part of the problem is that we don't really have an adequate >vocabulary to properly such issues. I would infer from the above >statement that we don't have the right to learn from the story. You're starting to catch on. :) Truth is very important in this world. But not as important as humor. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: albert.kind@uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Al Kind Subject: OT: WORKS 4.0 W95 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: I just found a sealed/licensed copy of WORKS v4 for W95...it can be yours for the price of shipping. Al Kind Technical Lab Manager, Microchemistry Lab CANR 3113 Horsebarn U4193, Storrs CT 06269-4193 ph (860)486-6126 eFAX (413)826-8780 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:40:37 -0700 Reply-To: fmc@REANIMATORS.ORG Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Frank McConnell Subject: Re: FLUFF Re: Old Sofwwre In-Reply-To: Victor Roberts's message of "Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:40:34 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Victor Roberts wrote: > I am not a lawyer and have not read the entire act, but it seems to cover > only changes in a visual work that would be visible upon display. I see no > prohibition against destruction of an artwork. These are two very different > acts. The first misrepresents the original artist's intentions. The second > does not. I'm no lawyer either, just thought I remembered reading something about this being the case somewhere in Europe a while back and was surprised on looking to find that there may be some truth to it in the USA too. One understandable explanation that I found is at , and this would appear to claim that there is a protection against destruction, but that the artist needs to demonstrate that the work is "of recognized stature". Either way, it's pretty far off topic. I'll stop here. -Frank McConnell ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:44 -0400 Reply-To: Dennis Vest Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Dennis Vest Subject: Re: Serial-Parallel cable w/DB25f end??? In-Reply-To: <3D4E569F.5AF3C49E@NexGo.De> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, Axel, Thanks for the info. I was really hoping for something tiny. The DB25-Centronics adapter does not seem too hard to construct. Hmmmm, does anyone make a commercial version of this adapter? Thanks Dennis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/02 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: FLUFF: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Danile, very interesting concept - sell only as much as covers the effort to write the program. Also quite what... altruistic, almost communist in the spirit it has, and clearly very socialistic. I am not saying it by way of criticism, just character. I hold that the author is entitled to make AS MUCH profit as is possible. If the program takes say 100 sales to cover the effort, cutting off sales at that point seems like socially just. Of course, copy number 101 through 5,000,000,000 are not suffering - they get the value they want for the program, so they are not any worse off! In fact they are better off: Hopefully they are rational people and their choice to give up 100 DM for the program is one where they believe they will get MORE than 100DM in benefit for it (or they would not have bought it!) So actually continuing to sell, you increase the benefit to people, to ALL people, not just hte first 100 copies. If you turn the price to 0 DM after the first 100, then 5,000,000,000 get maximum benefit, but the first 100 get screwed - not a nice social position to be in. (Headlines: "Daniel Screws 100 early adopters, but benefits 5,000,000,000!" ) Still, fascinating. BTW, if you take the income from the 5,000,000,000 (after you cover your cost and effort) and give it back to humanity in some directed, beneficial way, you will create more wellness, more wealth, more public good than by dropping the price to zero after the first 100 sales. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:27:59 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: running software on a server (was Re: Old Sofwwre) Comments: To: davidb@netmedia.net.il In-Reply-To: <200207061304.PNR00683@netmedia.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/6/02-06:04 AM, David Becher wrote: >Barry writes: > > > to the rental site and rent two days' access to Excel. The > > program never > [...snip...] > > How is that possible? The program has to operate on the data. At > > least some of the data has to be on the server or some of the > > program has to be on the PC. If some of the data is on the server, > > we'd have no way of knowing it didn't keep it, accumulate it, and > > end up with a copy. That copy, in some cases, could be pretty > > valuable. > >What is the difference between this scenario and the scenario when I run >software over a network today. In some cases the software(the executable >files) is not on my computer at all. I run the software on MY MACHINE but >the code resides on the server. That is the way I had in mind when I wrote the initial post, which Barry replied to. In some cases, you may need "agents" on the client machine to "assist" in the computation process. E.g. Netscape executing the HTML/Javasctipt code sent from the server which runs VBScript in ASP. Thanks for giving that example and clarification. Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:35:38 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Fluff: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Vic, I offered a test of one narrow aspect of the asset (ownership). You took my test and abstracted it a full legal theory of what an asset is. My test is applicable to one narrow, specific attribute of the asset. Deducing from the test an entire legal theory about other assets is not appropriate and not meaningful. >I never said that every asset should be treated the same way, It was you, >Avi, who proposed a universal test to determine if someone _really_ owned >something. I was only responding to the issue that you raised with your >own test. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:44:31 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: FLUFF: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Barry In-Reply-To: <005801c23d61$9cbab900$340d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/6/02-10:30 AM, Barry wrote: >But is my knowlege as defective as your ability to detect sarcasm? My ability to detect sarcasm in what _you_ write is terrible, much worse than the knowledge I know (and say so) that you possess! >I'm a pretty proud American most of the time. But not blindly >proud. We've done some pretty good things, often when we didn't have to >but just wanted to. We're good at that. I am much more critical than you, but more or less aligned. >But we're often cruel and anal and viscious. I'm not blind to that side >of us. There have been lots of things this country has done that has made >me blush with shame. There'll be a lot more. It is - as was said here before - the unfortunate byproduct of democracy. It is otherwise known as "too many cooks tend to step on each other in the kitchen!" >Add it all up and I love this country. (Mostly because it's got >Texas in it.:) I cannot say I "love" this country, but I like it better than other places I lived in. As for Texas, I am glad you love it - it is like a mother's love - blind to the flaws of the baby, huh? Actually, I am just tweaking you a little. Texas is a nice place with wonderful spirit of freedom. One of the best in that respect in the USA. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:33:17 +0200 Reply-To: _Cri_ Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: _Cri_ Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC In-Reply-To: <3CFC38BD012333D2@ims1a.libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 08:27:34PM -0400, Automatic digest processor wrote: > Hi Cri, > sorry that I post your private message to the list, but I thought it is > of general interest to the Linux users No problem man, I had just screwed up my .muttrc so the reply actually went to you and not to the list... Well, I've just tried the following, and it works on my Debian GNU/Linux box - 'setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 115200' - Configure the LX to 9600 8n1 and fire up DataComm - 'cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr' - Type 'Hello World' on DataComm - As soon as I entered Ctrl-D on th LX, a print job on the local printer started and I got my 'Hello World' page printed! So I guess the problem is somewhere in your print spool, Daniel... Then I went into Setup -> Printer on the LX, configured the printer as COM1/9600/HPLaserJet and tried to send print jobs from some of the LX applications to the HPLJ5L printer connected to my Linux box. - Filer: doing a simple 'cat /dev/ttyS0' and pressing Ctrl-P on the LX yielded the directory listing on the Linux terminal. Unfortunately, doing 'cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr' didn't work: the shell remained "suspended" and I had to stop the process. Clearly a Ctrl-D (end of file) was missing from the end of the LX output; so I wrote a text file with my favourite DOS editor, added a literal ^D at the end, fired the editor's print command and the print job carried out nicely. - Note Taker: same results as with Filer. I noticed the "Termination string" option in the "Print Setup" menu, but I have no idea about how to send a ^D... - Appointments/Database: same as Filer; some printing styles seem to work better than others (List/Datacard etc). Now again, I wish I could use the "Termination string" option (unfortunately the LX user's guide says nothing useful on this matter...) Hope this helps... Cri PS: Oh, and don't forget to try 'cat /dev/ttyS0' + on the LX for some pyrotechnic effects! ;-) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:13:41 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Re: Abandonware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone suggested to list a number of usefull DOS abandonware. Have a = look at www.safelink.net/danrose/aw-dos.html It does not list which applications run on the HPLX but the author should = be made aware of the HPLX and the SUPER site. Daniel, are you willing to = contact this guy and include a link from SUPER or your home page ? \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:50:16 -0500 Reply-To: Hal Goldstein Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Hal Goldstein Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest surv ey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain <> John, I believe you are mistaken about our warranty encouraging opening and modifying the palmtop. I just can't imagine that ever being in our warranty. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:32:53 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest surv ey Comments: To: Hal Goldstein In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 06 August 2002 05:50 pm, Hal Goldstein wrote: > < encouraged opening and modification of the palmtop. This, I assume, was to > encourage palmtop development. Why should they change their policy now? The > palmtop still needs as much development as ever. > > John>> > > John, I believe you are mistaken about our warranty encouraging opening and > modifying the palmtop. I just can't imagine that ever being in our > warranty. Hal - I was going to make the same comment when I saw the original message. I could not imagine that you would _encourage_ opening and modification of the 200LX under your warranty. I never saw such a provision in my 200LX warranties -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:11:58 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FLUFF Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: fmc@REANIMATORS.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McConnell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: FLUFF Re: Old Sofwwre > Victor Roberts wrote: > > My wife is an artist and says that she has never heard about any law that > > prevents the destruction of art work, even original works of art. Do you have > > any reference that would provide more information about this law? > > Moral rights. The notion in this case appears to be about the rights > of artists to prevent destruction and mutilation of their works of > visual art. Which I guess makes sense, if what you want to prevent is > someone taking J. Random Artist's work, modifying it, and continuing > to claim that it is still J. Random Artist's work. > > If you're feeling webby, try keying "Visual Artist's Rights Act" > into Google and you will probably turn up references to the law as > it exists in the US. Thanks for that phrase. I don't think that act itself was what I was referring to since I've been seeing things about this since long before 1990. But one of the sidebars explained a little about state laws and that might have been what was being discussed in what I saw. It seems there are other such things (such as the Berne Convention) as well. None of this quite adds up to what I remember but then my memory isn't totally trustworthy, either. I do remember one specific instance where an individual faced criminal charges for having defaced a painting (I think) that he owned by an artist he knew following some dispute with that artist. But I don't remember when or where I heard this. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:16:28 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Hi Vic 04h29m ago Victor Roberts wrote: >> Why should there be a limit? if I write a good program and 100 million people >> want a copy, I should be able to sell a copy to each one. Unless you are a >> Socialist perhaps , > > The reason is simply philosophical: > IF I write a program, which anyone on earth wants, I only write in > once, then make billions of copies and sell the copies, each for the > price I sell "the program" for. Well, in more detail: > > Usually if I write a program, I see the effort which was necessary to > write it and try to convert that into an amount of money. Then I divide > that amount of money by the expected demand, add a little profit for > me, and I get the price for each copy. I don't see a problem. What's wrong with making billions for a few hours work? If you get lucky you get lucky. I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't resent Gates billions. He did exactly what we're supposed to do in a capitalist system. He did it with intelligence and toughness. Not exactly un-American traits. While there is a lot that I dislike in what he's done, overall I think he deserves a lot of respect. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:27:06 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the beginning there was darkness and mainframes. Then there were hobby computers and then there were home computers. Then, along came the PC or Personal Computer, referring to hobby computers sometimes and home computers sometimes but more specifically referring to micros that were more business oriented, such as the Apple and the CP/M machines. PC was a common term and was loosely used and we all know what was meant by it. Then IBM looked upon the darkness and said "Let there be PC's" and they called their new computer the PC. Very cleverly using the generic term to describe their system. But it was a PC regardless of OS. It could be an MS-DOS PC or a PC-Dos PC (that was IBM's branded DOS) or a CP/M-86 PC. And the world was divided into PCs and Apples and CP/M machines. Although rumor has it that mainframes still lurk in the forrest in the dark of night. So, what is a PC? The answer to that is a question: When did you get in the business? And another question: What do you think a PC is? All answers are correct unless you say a PC is a guppie. But, while a PC can't be a guppie, it can contain guppies in the form of screensavers. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Hi Vic 04h48m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > accept that PC is any "personal computer" and includes Macs and other > variants of "personal computers". > > However, many in the Linux/Unix community would claim that a Linux box is a > "multi-user workstation" not a "personal computer". I just installed Open > Office in my account on this Linux box, but that does not get it installed in > my son's account on this same machine. The core Open Office files are in one > central location, but each user must install a stub of the program in his/her > own home directory. Linux/Unix is definitely different and I personally would > not call it a PC. I think the term PC does only describe the hardware. It is a computer for personal use. Whatever software you load, cannot turn the PC hardware into something different. Although there is some truth about Linux not beeing a typical PC _kind_oF_ software, but Linux is the Unix for PCs, so I think the PC stays a PC, even if you run Linux on it. OTOH, even a peronal Mac omputer is NOT called PC, although it is a personal thing, but that is, I believe, mainly to distinguish the wo different internal architectures. A Mac is not a PC, although it is usually personal. To get this a bot on-topic again: The palmtop should then be a VPC (very personal PC). ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:29:37 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Berger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:20 AM Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre > Barry wrote: > > You can always legally make a backup copy of a music CD but you > > can't share it with a friend. > > Under German law you are explicitly allowed to make a copy of a video or > CD you borrowed from a library or an aquaintance. You are also allowed > to make copies from your own CDs and give them to family members or > personal relations. The rationale behind that, as far as I know, was and > is, that music and plays are considered culture and the dissemination of > culture is a good thing and to be encouraged. > An interesting thing about so called "copy protection". According to the > defined standard these "protected" CDs are defective, they can't be > played in new DVD CD players and in most CD car radios, but they can be > copied by those who know how. So what you can do, and totally legally > and within the law: You buy it, make a copy for the car, as you don't > want to leave expensive origanls in there, do you, and then find out it > is defective. You then take it back to the shop and get your money back, > plus, under newer German law, the cost of your journey back to the shop. > There is one more very good reason to do and encourage this: The error > correction rewdundancy is in there for a very good reason. When allif it > is already used up by errors written on purpose as "protection", any, > even the slightest scratch can't be corrected any more. This is not a CD > but a missold piece of junk. Good approach. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:32:03 -0500 Reply-To: theise@netins.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: FS: Omnibook 300 I recently bought an Omnibook 300 from a list member, who bought it from another list member. :) It seems to be in good shape, but I really don't have a use for it (plus my wife and I are in expense reduction mode). Since I can't make a good home for it (sorry Terry!) I'm hoping to find a good home for it among list members. The package includes the following: - Omnbook 300 laptop with 2mb ram (expandable) 386 processor, VGA mono, AA battery operation - original 10MB HP PCMCIA Flash Disk - Omnibook 300 ROM card ver 1.0 - 85 MB Sandisk Flash PCMCIA card (total of 95MB storage!) - 2 PCMCIA card caddies for the bottom slots (total of four PCMCIA Slots!) - PCMCIA 14400 modem - Omnibook external power supply - original battery - No manuals or discs - Windows 3.1 installed - HP PIMs (excluding the database) The built-in battery is at 90% after two weeks by my desk, but the previous owner indicated it doesn't hold a charge long. I will sell it to the first offer for $100, this includes shipping in the US. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:35:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Michel Bel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Bel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:41 AM Subject: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], > Michel ( who still owns an 1982 Epson PX-8 laptop with real CP/M and plus an > 128KB intelligent ramdisk) Is that the one with the built-in mini-cassette player? I've seen them on Ebay a couple of times but they said battery dead and when I tried to contact the seller to see if new batteries were avaiable I didn't get an answer. That has to be just about the nicest design for a computer ever. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:40:42 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Tim Pitman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Pitman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], > But it's important to consider not only disk space requirements, but > also RAM usage. Programs such as TSRs should be as small as possible so > that many can be loaded without wasting RAM. Michael's technique could work with multiple TSRs. Run the program. Select the TSR you want. It installs. The program terminates. The TSR can be as small as you like. In fact, on disk it will be smaller than a single TSR would be since the installation portion of a TSR is pretty much duplicated in every TSR. it gets dropped so it doesn't waste memory but it does use disk space. Although I'm not sure the concept of TSR is valid in CP/M since it warm boots after each program. Anybody know? I remember that in other early computers such as Commodores and Atari's and Color Computers, what we call a TSR today was called a wedge. Anybody remember that term? They were sure a lot easier on pre-PC computers, too. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:47:09 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware Comments: To: Steve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Abandonware > You may be interested in the DOS versions of WordPerfect. > There is some binary glop saved out, but plain text is stored > pretty much as text internal to the file. And the glop is > there to define the default printer and font, which you may > find useful. I have not tried, but I think a template file > could be set up to leave out all the default stuff and shrink > the file somewhat. Even on the oldest versions, the embedded > sequences for bolding, centering, or whatever are supported. > And if the binary stuff ever becomes onerous, the file can be > saved as DOS text, though you will lose the embedded commands. You can also define your own printer and driver, which is fairly simple to do in old versions of WP, and not put anything in the driver for the sake of the printer, but when you print to file you will retain all the formatting. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:50:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Barry" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: FLUFF: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) > Actually, I am just tweaking you a little. Texas is a nice place with > wonderful spirit of freedom. One of the best in that respect in the USA. Tweaking me? Nah! I'll never believe it. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:04:14 -0400 Reply-To: Eduardo Seudsnimo Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Eduardo Seudsnimo Subject: Re: Omnibook 300 In-Reply-To: <200207061532.PNR00374@netins.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm the one who sold it to Terry and I'm tempted to place on offer... = but that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? They're such neat little = machines. I just wish I had a practical use for it. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Theodore Heise > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:32 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: FS: Omnibook 300 >=20 >=20 > I recently bought an Omnibook 300 from a list member, who bought it = from > another list member. :) It seems to be in good shape, but I really = don't > have a use for it (plus my wife and I are in expense reduction mode). >=20 > Since I can't make a good home for it (sorry Terry!) I'm hoping to = find a > good home for it among list members. >=20 > The package includes the following: >=20 > - Omnbook 300 laptop with 2mb ram (expandable) > 386 processor, VGA mono, AA battery operation > - original 10MB HP PCMCIA Flash Disk > - Omnibook 300 ROM card ver 1.0 > - 85 MB Sandisk Flash PCMCIA card (total of 95MB storage!) > - 2 PCMCIA card caddies for the bottom slots (total of four=20 > PCMCIA Slots!) > - PCMCIA 14400 modem > - Omnibook external power supply > - original battery > - No manuals or discs > - Windows 3.1 installed > - HP PIMs (excluding the database) >=20 > The built-in battery is at 90% after two weeks by my desk, but the > previous owner indicated it doesn't hold a charge long. >=20 > I will sell it to the first offer for $100, this includes=20 > shipping in the US. >=20 > -- > Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA >=20 > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml >=20 >=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:17:17 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: Omnibook 300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote: > I'm the one who sold it to Terry and I'm tempted to place on > offer... but that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? They're > such neat little machines. I just wish I had a practical use > for it. Sorry Ed, another list member beat you to it. Seriously though, I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Maybe we could set up a rotation scheme, where everybody gets a turn. :) -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:28:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Francois G." Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Francois G." Subject: usb ir plug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just happened to see this and thought it should be added to the list of neat things to carry in your bag: http://www.usbgear.com/usa/usb-irda.cfm i'm sure if you look around they can be had for much cheaper. what caught my eye, other than the size, was the sir support (admittedly, it claims 115k - 4m). if it were in the $20 range, i'd carry one around as a 'just in case'. could come in handy to those who do travel and use other people's computers --francois ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:07:43 -0400 Reply-To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: usb ir plug Comments: To: matrix@SHOT.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Francois G=2E matrix@SHOT=2EORG wrote: > just happened to see this and thought it should be added to the list of > neat things to carry in your bag: http://www=2Eusbgear=2Ecom/usa/usb-ird= a=2Ecfm Good one!!! What interesting and impressive is this statement:=20 > Supports SIR and FIR from 115Kbps to 4Mbps data transfer rate SIR is the IR protocol use by the 200LX=2E=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:16:41 -0800 Reply-To: xy mox Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: xy mox Subject: chinese ebook for gblist (all 64K) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.zsfuture.com/hp200lx/index.html peace, Billy ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:08:10 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:13 -0500, Avi Meshar wrote: > If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do it. I do not believe this is correct. The purpose of a patent is to ENCOURAGE the development and production of new devices by providing protection to the inventor for a limited amount of years. I believe it is correct that there is no law requiring the production of a device just because it has been patented. After all, the device may not be economically feasible. However that is very different from preventing someone from producing a device because you hold a patent on it. The patent holder is entitled to reasonable royalty payments, but I do not believe they can use their patent to prevent the production of a device. I am working with a patent lawyer on a project for one of my clients. I will ask him about this and get back to the list. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:08:12 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: FLUFF: OT: Need help fixing friend's Win95 dial-up.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:32:43 -0400, Tim wrote: > 2) And (the biggie) I can't find ANY way to modify the > initialization string in Win95 (she may have a bad install > that isn't presenting me the proper tabs, buttons and > controls in device manager, etc.). > > I've looked in modem properties (advanced and otherwise) in > "device manager," dialing properties and even in > "telephon.ini" ... Nothing. I've long since abandoned > Win95 and thought I'd ask for a "nudge" in the right > direction. There is a check box in the Win95 DUN that says "Wait for dial tone", or perhaps "Don't wait for dial tone." Check or uncheck this as necessary. I used Win95 all the time on hotel and non-US phone systems that do not provide the "expected" dialtone. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:08:21 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:09:11 -0500, Avi Meshar wrote: > But here is a new wrinkle. Over the years I have collected about 60 > different version, much of them a close rehash. This is a new way to do it. > BTW, note the atrocious spelling, a usually good indicator about the > trashiness of the origin / originator. Capitalization where inappropriate, > spelling that is worse than well... bad, punctuation that defies the > imagination (and the rules of grammar), and of course the approach: If it > was for real, would they really approach an unknown person? I would think that all these "indicators" are unnecessary. If you get an e-mail from anyone, other than your rich Aunt's lawyer, offering you money - it is bogus - simple. If you don't think it is that simple, then please send $10,000 to me and I will show you how simple it really is Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:32:04 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Owen Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Terry Owen Subject: Re: Omnibook 300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I'd probably buy it back myself if my husband wouldn't have a fit. :-) It is like a big LX, even looks like it, ridges and all. Very lightweight. And I did mistakenly say that the battery wouldn't hold a charge. It was another computer that I was thinking of (a 486 laptop I own). Terry ----------------------------------------------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:04:14 -0400 From: "Eduardo Seudsnimo" Subject: Re: Omnibook 300 I'm the one who sold it to Terry and I'm tempted to place on offer... but that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? They're such neat little machines. I just wish I had a practical use for it. > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of > Theodore Heise > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:32 PM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: FS: Omnibook 300 > > > I recently bought an Omnibook 300 from a list member, who bought it from > another list member. :) It seems to be in good shape, but I really don't > have a use for it (plus my wife and I are in expense reduction mode). > > Since I can't make a good home for it (sorry Terry!) I'm hoping to find a > good home for it among list members. > > The package includes the following: > > - Omnbook 300 laptop with 2mb ram (expandable) > 386 processor, VGA mono, AA battery operation > - original 10MB HP PCMCIA Flash Disk > - Omnibook 300 ROM card ver 1.0 > - 85 MB Sandisk Flash PCMCIA card (total of 95MB storage!) > - 2 PCMCIA card caddies for the bottom slots (total of four > PCMCIA Slots!) > - PCMCIA 14400 modem > - Omnibook external power supply > - original battery > - No manuals or discs > - Windows 3.1 installed > - HP PIMs (excluding the database) > > The built-in battery is at 90% after two weeks by my desk, but the > previous owner indicated it doesn't hold a charge long. > > I will sell it to the first offer for $100, this includes > shipping in the US. > > -- > Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:49:13 -0400 Reply-To: hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vic wrote protesting my insane naivete:=20 > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:09:11 -0500, Avi Meshar =20 > wrote: > >> But here is a new wrinkle=2E Over the years I have collected about 60 >> different version, much of them a close rehash=2E This is a new way to = do >> it=2E BTW, note the atrocious spelling, a usually good indicator about = the >> trashiness of the origin / originator=2E Capitalization where inappropriate, >> spelling that is worse than well=2E=2E=2E bad, punctuation that defies = the >> imagination (and the rules of grammar), and of course the approach: If = it >> was for real, would they really approach an unknown person? > >I would think that all these "indicators" are unnecessary=2E If >you get an e-mail from anyone, other than your rich Aunt's >lawyer, offering you money - it is bogus - simple=2E If you don't >think it is that simple, then please send $10,000 to me and I >will show you how simple it really is First of all I do not have $10,000 to send to you=2E If I did, I'd immediately send it to you, and offer more=2E I trust and your motives as much=2E=20 Secondly, many people are as naive and dumb as I and need several "markers= " before they believe something is bogus=2E This is another reason why I wou= ld IMMEDIATELY send YOU money - you write well, you are intelligent, and smart=2E So thank you=2E=20 Yes, of course you are right=2E I started at that point as a GIVEN,= I did omit it out of forgetfulness or because that point is unimportant=2E I= t is SO important and so clear there was no reason to mention it At least no= t in my opinion=2E I mentioned the rest of the points, and I have many more,= because they are markers of almost all bogus crap like that=2E If anyone missed the main point because I did not mention the BASEBALL BAT OBVIOUS one, sorry=2E I hope you have some money left over=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:49:26 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0400, "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" wrote: > I agree that we can go a long way in reducing the risk of running into > troubles with an owner of what we call abandonware, if we limit the > offering. Instead of offering it to "THE WORLD" it should be offered ONL > Y > to HPLX-List members. When someone joins, his/her email address can be > forwarded to whoever maintains SUPER, who can then send the rules, and get > > an agreement to them then provide the the directory name, user name and > password to that new user with explanations about the content of that > library as you explained above. It seems this would make all members of such a list then subject to penalties for copyright violation. Or at least subject to having their computers searched to determine whether or not they have downloaded any of the software in question. Because of this problem, and access to the password for this archive should be by REQUEST ONLY and names should not be added JUST BECAUSE they are members of this list. I for one request that my name not be on the list of those with access to any private list of so-called abandonware. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:57:01 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax > First of all I do not have $10,000 to send to you. If I did, I'd > immediately send it to you, and offer more. I trust and your motives as > much. > > Secondly, many people are as naive and dumb as I and need several "markers" > before they believe something is bogus. This is another reason why I would > IMMEDIATELY send YOU money - you write well, you are intelligent, and > smart. So thank you. I'm every bit as naive and dumb as you. But I know better than to send Victor Roberts $10,000. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:02:53 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: usb ir plug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 05h41m ago hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > > Good one!!! What interesting and impressive is this statement: > > > Supports SIR and FIR from 115Kbps to 4Mbps data transfer rate > > SIR is the IR protocol use by the 200LX. Well, SIR is still used as the physical layer of IrDA, as is FIR. Actually, if there is written "supports SIR" this doesn't necessarily mean that you can communicate with the LX. The precondition is that the supplied driver can handle plain serial data transfer via the device, which would mean, raw SIR communication. If the driver always puts all the IrDA-specific stuff on top of the plain serial (=3DSIR/FIR on the IR device) communication, it would still not be possible to use it with the LX (except for IR.EXE and WWW/LX ;-) ). So someone should check if the driver supports this plain SIR mode. I would still rather go for the good old Aegis device (see www.palmtop.net), which is proven to work with the LX, and which is used at the serial port of the PC, not USB. Most computers should still have a serial port (although not all have anymore, unfortunately!). GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:05:52 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vic wrote on 7 Aug 2002 05:08:10 -0700: >>On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:13 -0500, Avi Meshar = >>wrote: >> >> If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they can do >> it=2E > > I do not believe this is correct=2E The purpose of a patent is > to ENCOURAGE the development and production of new devices by > providing protection to the inventor for a limited amount of > years=2E I believe it is correct that there is no law requiring > the production of a device just because it has been patented=2E > After all, the device may not be economically feasible=2E Huh? The law is there to encourage innovation by protecting the inventor for a number of years=2E That is exactly as you say=2E But the law does no= t REQUIRE that the patent holder develops anything or bring anything to market=2E That is also exactly like you observe - and despite your disagreement with me, we are in FULL agreement =2E=2E=2E=20 So maybe you disagree with my words when I state that patent holders "can sit on it" and do nothing with it if they want to=2E Which of these words = do you find disagreeable to you? =20 > However that is very different from preventing someone from producing a=20= > device because you hold a patent on it=2E The patent holder is entitled = to=20 > reasonable royalty payments, but I do not believe they can use their=20 > patent to prevent the production of a device=2E Ok, for you a simple example: You hold a patent for making a widget=2E It competes with something else you do, and you simply "want to sit on it"=2E= I=2Ee=2E prevent anyone from doing anything with it=2E I come to you and s= ay: "Say, Vic, about patent 12345678 that you hold, I want to produce it=2E I know I need a license from you=2E How much?" Your answer: "35 BILLION DOLL= AR a year sounds reasonable=2E" I am done! Goodbye=2E=20 Your assumption that patentholder are entitled to a _reasonable_ royalty i= s only partially right=2E Patentholders are entitled to a royalty AS WELL as= a license fee and/or any other fee the patentholder wants=2E What the other potential producer thinks is "reasonable" is unimportant=2E There is nothi= ng in the law that forces the patentholder to a specific or defined fee(s)=2E= It is completely open to negotiations=2E=20 > I am working with a patent lawyer on a project for one of my clients=2E = I=20 > will ask him about this and get back to the list=2E Please do=2E And while you are at it check on the storyline of the Tucker=2E= I think this has something to do with someone who invented a revolutionary engine suitable for trucks and one of the automobile companies bought his patent from him and basically killed it by sitting on it so it does not compete with their engines=2E There was a movie about it=2E=2E=2E=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:04:48 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Roberts" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0400, "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" wrote: > > > I agree that we can go a long way in reducing the risk of running into > > troubles with an owner of what we call abandonware, if we limit the > > offering. Instead of offering it to "THE WORLD" it should be offered ONL > > Y > > to HPLX-List members. When someone joins, his/her email address can be > > forwarded to whoever maintains SUPER, who can then send the rules, and get > > > > an agreement to them then provide the the directory name, user name and > > password to that new user with explanations about the content of that > > library as you explained above. > > It seems this would make all members of such a list then > subject to penalties for copyright violation. Or at least > subject to having their computers searched to determine whether > or not they have downloaded any of the software in question. > > Because of this problem, and access to the password for this > archive should be by REQUEST ONLY and names should not be added > JUST BECAUSE they are members of this list. > > I for one request that my name not be on the list of those with > access to any private list of so-called abandonware. I agree with you about making the whole list responsible in case there is a problem.. Bad Idea. I'd like to have access to the list personally to know what's on it. I don't really think I'd download anything. I already have most of the stuff anyway. I think this is a good and important thing to do. It might even be wise to make downloads by request only. Maybe not at first but after the first month. Let everybody get what they need first. Your reference to "so-called abandonware" seems to mean that you don't agree with the abandonware idea. So there's no reason you should be saddled with the risk. New people joining the list for imformation shouldn't be automatically put in that position either. And I'm still not sending you $10,000. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:08:09 -0400 Reply-To: John J Vanderstel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John J Vanderstel Subject: Re: Omnibook 300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Theodore, >Sorry Ed, another list member beat you to it. Getting the digest works so well for me, but this is the one big disadvantage of subscribing to the digest. The good stuff is already gone before I even see the offer. :-( >Seriously though, I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Maybe we >could set up a rotation scheme, where everybody gets a turn. :) I can't promise that I would keep that ritual alive, but you can put me down for the next rotation. Yup... that kind of scheme might help to level the playing field somewhat for all of the digest subscribers. ;-) Hmm... Too bad that one can't get the "FS:" posts in real time and everything else in digest form. :-/ Cheers! John Vander Stel Grand Rapids, Michigan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:26:54 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vic wrote on limiting the access to old DOS programs so only list members can get at it:=20 > It seems this would make all members of such a list then > subject to penalties for copyright violation=2E Or at least > subject to having their computers searched to determine whether > or not they have downloaded any of the software in question=2E Good point=2E I am TERRIBLY UNMOTIVATED to find a way to let anyone, membe= rs of the list or anyone else, to pirate legitimate software, so some liability will ALWAYS be there if you do something that is somewhat foggy=2E= It does not matter if it is members of the list or members of the world=2E= I highly doubt that anyone will be subject to search UNLESS there is evidence that this member actually committed a violation, i=2Ee=2E the per= son posted something like this: "I downloaded XYZ software and it does not wor= k for me=2E"=20 Limiting the access WEAKENS any claims that a legitimate owner might have=2E= The main complaint such an owner will be able to use is that his/her ability to sell his/her product to the market was impeded by placing the software in SUPER-II=2E By limiting the access, that claim is nearly voide= d=2E The damages can only be claimed vis-a-vis the 600-900 people on the list, hardly a damage when an author claims damages vis-a-vis "the World"=2E And= even then, the author will have to show that member X downloaded anything,= and continues using it=2E And furthermore: Members also commit that if the= author does NOT grant a permission, the software will be removed and its usage cease=2E I=2Ee=2E the entire damage claim is emptied=2E > Because of this problem, and access to the password for this > archive should be by REQUEST ONLY and names should not be added > JUST BECAUSE they are members of this list=2E That is similar, but weaker, than the mechanism I proposed=2E I proposed t= hat a new member will be sent an email with the "rules of the road" vis-a-vis the library of the old programs=2E If they wish access, the commit to the rules, and send an email that commts to these rules=2E Then they get the access password=2E I would also add that the access will experience a "sunset" i=2Ee=2E expire 4 times a year and the members will have to recom= mit, as a reminder=2E=20 When a person MAKES A REQUEST, it strengthens the possibility of a claim, there is a reasonable chance that the requestor indeed downloaded a program, similar to the case when a person posts "I downloaded"=2E So your= way, while on the right track, is a bit weak, IMHO,=20 > I for one request that my name not be on the list of those with access t= o > any private list of so-called abandonware=2E Just because you have access does not mean you use it, or that you download=2E=20 Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:16:46 -0400 Reply-To: Cavalier Leonard W CRBE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Cavalier Leonard W CRBE Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: "hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Then again, I can not believe that the 200LX fell into obscurity because people actually fell for WindowsCE!! -----Original Message----- From: Avi Meshar [mailto:hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:13 PM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax -->snip<--- I could not believe that people actually fell for the scheme. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:29:12 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: barry@FBTC.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry protested:=20 > I'm every bit as naive and dumb as you=2E But I know better than to > send Victor Roberts $10,000=2E :) See, you are not as dumb as I - I am dumber! Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:24:46 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: Small graphics program for the LX Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is this link any use??? http://cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall97/V22.0201.003/ratpaint.html regards, Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Hertrich To: Sent: 24 July 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Small graphics program for the LX Wed, 24.07.02 9:39 PM +0200 Hi friends, does anyone know a small and simple graphics program for the palmtop? I only need very limited features, as I want to use it similar to the note taker application in the Omnigo 100 - simply take small "graphical" notes using a mouse or pen mouse and saving them as PCX file. Fast loading and easy saving and quitting would be good, only black and white, no fine resolution needed, maybe some assistance (via shift or alt key) to draw straight lines, maybe text input, maybe circle or ellipse creation, but all that is not necessary. BTW: Let me say a big THANK YOU to this list - I have seen in the past few days (also before, but especially recently) that this is a really special community here. I never would have dreamed what has happened! :-) Ted and Hal, you know what I mean! You receive my biggest thank you's. daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:41 -0400 Reply-To: Cavalier Leonard W CRBE Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Cavalier Leonard W CRBE Subject: Re: Omnigo 100 serial port Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I don't know if anyone has answered your question already - it's been a while. Or maybe you already thought of this and need a more controllable method... My idea is to initiate a HotSync on the OmniGo (from the Home screen, Transfer, PC (the F1 soft key), then connect. Now the OmniGo tries to establish a connection through the serial port, I'm not sure exactly if this procedure would apply power to the appropriate line of the serial port, but it's worth a try. Another idea - you can access the OmniGo at the DOS level, but you need to do some acrobatics with software. This info from an OmniGo FAQ spells it out. 6 DOS Mode 6.1 What is OmniGo DOS Mode? The OmniGo contains a special version of DOS in its ROM. This version of DOS is normally not accessable because, by default, the OmniGo boots directly into GEOS. You can however, prevent GEOS from loading and work directly in DOS. 6.2 How can I get to DOS Mode? What you'll need: A DOS Mode driver (recommeded: Omniswp) OmniCom for transfering data to/from the OmniGo. Some knowledge of DOS. OgEDIT recommended for editing AUTOEXEC.BAT How to enable DOS mode: Upload DOS Mode driver to the OmniGo B:\ directory. Open B:\AUTOEXEC.BAT with OgEDIT or use OmniCom to download it to your PC and open it in EDIT or NOTEPAD. Remove "geos" from the last line of the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and add the name of DOS Mode driver. Example (with omniswp DOS driver): :runGEOS b: cd \ cd geoworks omniswp i Save the AUTOEXEC.BAT file. (If editing on PC, upload it using OmniCom). Reboot your OmniGo (SHIFT-ON-NEXT). You'll now be in DOS Mode. 6.3 How do I get back into GEOS from DOS Mode? You can load GEOS by simply typing "geos" at the DOS prompt. If you have a keyboard remapping program installed, such as Omniswp, you'll need to uninstall it before loading GEOS. 6.4 Why do my batteries drain faster in DOS Mode? There is no power management in DOS, therefore your OmniGo runs at full power all the time. This can cause significant batery drain. It is not recommended that you run in DOS mode very long. I'm sending you the entire FAQ in a separate message. If you need it, I probably have all the software mentioned, though I have never used it. :( Let me know if you need anything. I almost never delete any downloads, as usually before the hard drive gets anywhere near full, I get a new PC with 10X+ the disk space, and all the old files fit in a little corner of the new drive! - Lenny Leonard W. Cavalier cavalierlw@nswccd.navy.mil -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:14 AM To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Omnigo 100 serial port Fri, 19.07.02 07:52 AM +0200 Hi friends, how can I explicitly enable the serial port of the Omnibo 100? I would like to test if my LED light works for the Omnigo 100, actually it should, but I need to power the serial port! Do DOS TSRs work on the Omnigo 100 (Stefan's Lighton especially)? Thanks Daniel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:23:34 +0200 Reply-To: Michel Bel Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Michel Bel Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming, was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], Comments: To: Barry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry wrote > > Michel ( who still owns an 1982 Epson PX-8 laptop with real CP/M > and plus an > > 128KB intelligent ramdisk) > > Is that the one with the built-in mini-cassette player? > > I've seen them on Ebay a couple of times but they said battery dead > and when I tried to contact the seller to see if new batteries were > avaiable I didn't get an answer. > > That has to be just about the nicest design for a computer ever. > > Barry > Yes, it has the minicassette as mass-storage ( H: disk). It was very advanced, and has 3 microprocessors inside. Even the optional 'intelligent Ramdisk' has a private Z-80 inside.... It allows touch-typing - normal keyboard, and has a 8*80 screen. I recently acquired another - a totally unused one for $10 - even with working batteries.. Well, the cells are standard anyway, and you can simply rebuild the battery with 4 nicad cells. takes about 20 mins soldering, plus taping into form again. Might even take NiMh's for greater stamina. A bit like the LX: Recharge once every week or less. Built-in automatic wake-up on appointments, and you could let it make automatic back-ups on wake-up etc. Maybe the LX designers were inspired by the PX-8. I wrote a lot of reports on the thing during waits on airports - that was 15 years ago. re: TSR's in CP/M - those were not standard, but especially in the PX-8 one can define a 'user area' , which remains untouched during reboot. It can contain programs - the famous RTX program for the PX-8 is exactly that. Press CTRL-PAUSE and the RTX programs pops up. Battery gauge, terminal, debugger/patcher and hexcalc plus some more in 3.5KB. Michel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:26:59 -0700 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:45:04 -0400, Tim wrote: Hi Tim - sorry for my late reply. > I've tried to keep my Linux questions to a minimum here, > 'cause it's an LX list, BUT How do I set things up > so I could log onto my Linux box w/ my LX? I've got my > Linux comp. set up as a workstation, would this mean > starting over and setting it up as a server? You never have to start over, even if you did want to install some server packages that were on installed in the original installation. I installed the Samba server (to connect to my Windows network) after I did the basic installation of Mandrake 8.2. However, in this case no "server" software is required. See below. > I'd be cool to login w/ my LX and have my own terminal > sessions, be able to send/receive individual files, etc. > WITH commands from the LX! How much would be involved in > setting that up Linux like Unix is a multi-user operating system. Linux like Unix expects to find users logged in via terminals connected to a serial port. The only problem is that I have forgotten how to set up the serial ports for a terminal because it has been so many years since I have done this. But it boils down to setting the serial port parameters and telling Linux the characteristics of your terminal, in this case, your 200LX and its terminal emulator. > AND could I then run WWW/LX and HV on the > LX, using the Linux computer as my Internet connection (and > the serial cable between the LX and the computer)? Well, using the serial port as a connection to the Internet for a program running on another machine connected to the serial port is different than using the serial port to connect another user console. I'm sure there is a Linux program that provides this function but I don't know what it is at this time. Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:35:53 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" In-Reply-To: <191690-2200283714265436@M2W068.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 07 August 2002 10:26 am, hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM wrote: [big snip] > > I for one request that my name not be on the list of > > those with access to any private list of so-called > > abandonware. > > Just because you have access does not mean you use it, or > that you download. > > Avi Avi - you seem to be dispensing a lot of legal advice about how I (and other members of this group) will or will not be impacted by becoming "members" of this group. Before this continues much further, I would appreciate knowing where and when you obtained your law degree and in which States you have been admitted to practice law. -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:38:21 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Vic, >Avi - you seem to be dispensing a lot of legal advice about >how I (and other members of this group) will or will not be >impacted by becoming "members" of this group. Before this >continues much further, I would appreciate knowing where >and when you obtained your law degree and in which States >you have been admitted to practice law. I am not a lawyer, and I proclaimed this many times. Following legal advice _I_ give out is a foolish act. Don't do it! Ask your own lawyer. What I dispense is my own view on what is and is not an issue, from the POV of a vendor. Use it at your own risk. If I were a lawyer, I'd ask everyone reading the advice to send me $10,000 to start the contingency account. I am sending you my $10,000 forthwith. I just found the money, and as I said before, if I had it, I'd send it you. So there... Do you have a PayPal account? Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:23:08 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax Comments: To: Cavalier Leonard W CRBE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cavalier Leonard W CRBE" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax > Then again, I can not believe that the 200LX fell into obscurity because people actually fell for WindowsCE!! It didn't. We're not the least bit obscure. Confused maybe. But not obscure. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:49:00 +0200 Reply-To: HP700lx Freak Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: HP700lx Freak Subject: No time display in topcard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to turn off the time/date display while the topcard is displayed? Name, company etc can easily be turned of by not entering anything, but time and date still show up? Or can it at least be moved to another position on the screen, this looks damn ugly in the middle of my topcard... thanx, Niels [n] ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:16 +0100 Reply-To: Yves Leurquin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Yves Leurquin Subject: Old DOS Softwares MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who are desperately looking for a given DOS app, have a look at www.emsps.com . I have not tested the site yet but they seems to have a pretty comprehensi= ve list of software available for sale. \/ /ves ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:23:23 -0500 Reply-To: Theodore Heise Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Theodore Heise Subject: Re: No time display in topcard In-Reply-To: <00b801c23e53$ed2926e0$060210ac@tommy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, HP700lx Freak wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn off the time/date display while the topcard is > displayed? Name, company etc can easily be turned of by not entering > anything, but time and date still show up? Or can it at least be moved to > another position on the screen, this looks damn ugly in the middle of my > topcard... Have a look at the SUPER site . It has lots of topcard options, both alternatives and instructions for making your own. See especially: http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/search.pl?Query=topcard -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:31:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Striegel, Alan" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Striegel, Alan" Subject: XJack modems offered MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Garage sale time is here and I have three MegaHertz XJ1144 X-Jack modems available (two in their original boxes -- although they are used, not new). If you're interested, I'll make any or all available at $12 apiece plus shipping. My home is in northeast Ohio, near Cleveland. They're guaranteed to work in the 100LX and 200LX. I have tested each of them. Alan ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:33:02 +0200 Reply-To: Jacques Belin Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Jacques Belin Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax In-Reply-To: <002e01c23e50$625a8340$200d22d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:23:08 -0500 Barry a icrit: > We're not the least bit obscure. Confused maybe. Sorry, but it seems that it is the others who are confused when we say we still prefer ours 8/16Mhz MS-DOS machines against these 206Mhz WinCE things... Jacques. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:02:20 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: No time display in topcard Comments: To: HP700lx Freak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "HP700lx Freak" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: No time display in topcard > Does anyone know how to turn off the time/date display while the topcard is > displayed? Name, company etc can easily be turned of by not entering > anything, but time and date still show up? Or can it at least be moved to > another position on the screen, this looks damn ugly in the middle of my > topcard... I'm afraid that would come under the heading of defacing art. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:19:59 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Old DOS Softwares Comments: To: Yves Leurquin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yves Leurquin" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Old DOS Softwares > For those who are desperately looking for a given DOS app, > have a look at www.emsps.com . > > I have not tested the site yet but they seems to have a pretty > comprehensive list of software available for sale. They've been around for years. I check them now and then to see if they have anything new and interesting and sometimes they do. But they price this stuff for wealthy collectors of ancient software. A lot of it is way more than it was new. A lot of the old software collectors have a lot of this stuff already, although not legal versions. There's one little roly-poly retired guy on this list (I shouldn't mention his name) that gets a request for some old compiler or piece of a compiler he mentions on the list. Usually it comes in email shortly after it's mentioned. He doesn't believe in piracy but somehow if it's generally unavailable software such as an old Turbo something or other, the software finds itself atatched to the reply. He tells me he suspects that his email program is less than totally honest. Hey! Change of topic! I just saw a story on the news that the developer of Napster's software has now developed a warning system that works a little like his Napster program for killing spam. The idea sounds VERY good. When someone see's spam, he marks it and everyone else using that program no longer get's that spam. Only a few people have to get it. They implied that there are options for how many people have to declare something spam before your program rejects it. Or it can just re-direct it. It's available now in alpha for download (I don't have the url) but only for Win 2k and XP. Others to follow. They interviewed some users who say it's great. This could be the start of something big. :) Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:18:52 +0800 Reply-To: Mujid Abdul-CAM028 Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Mujid Abdul-CAM028 Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: "hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Ha... ha... ha... ha... You sound like a lawyer. No. I don't have $10,000, even for myself. Im my country, Malaysia, I can have a good lunch with $1(USD) Mujid -----Original Message----- From: Avi Meshar [mailto:hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:38 AM To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Vic, >Avi - you seem to be dispensing a lot of legal advice about >how I (and other members of this group) will or will not be >impacted by becoming "members" of this group. Before this >continues much further, I would appreciate knowing where >and when you obtained your law degree and in which States >you have been admitted to practice law. I am not a lawyer, and I proclaimed this many times. Following legal advice _I_ give out is a foolish act. Don't do it! Ask your own lawyer. What I dispense is my own view on what is and is not an issue, from the POV of a vendor. Use it at your own risk. If I were a lawyer, I'd ask everyone reading the advice to send me $10,000 to start the contingency account. I am sending you my $10,000 forthwith. I just found the money, and as I said before, if I had it, I'd send it you. So there... Do you have a PayPal account? Avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:59:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Martin G. Ramirez" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Martin G. Ramirez" Subject: GDBWin & WFW 3.11 In-Reply-To: <001401c23e6e$f1c15860$ac0d22d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everyone, Does GDBWin (on SUPER) run on Win 3.1X // Win for Workgroups 3.11? Or is this just a Win 95 and above application? Thanks, Martin G. Ramirez ============================ Dr. Martin G. Ramirez Department of Biology Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8220 Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659, U.S.A. (310) 338-5120 FAX: (310) 338-4479 e-mail: mramirez@lmu.edu ============================= NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:22:22 -0400 Reply-To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: FLUFF: Total fluff for your enjoyment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is time to post some levity here, so I hope you'll enjoy this one=2E=2E= =2E=20 A city boy, Kenny, moved to the country and bought a donkey from an old farmer for $100=2E The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day=2E= The next day the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry son, but I have some bad news, the donkey died=2E" Kenny replied, "Well then, just give me my money back=2E" The farmer said,= "Can't do that=2E I went and spent it already=2E" Kenny said, "OK then, at least give me the donkey=2E" The farmer asked, "W= hat ya gonna do with him?" Kenny, "I'm going to raffle him off=2E" Farmer, " You can't raffle off a dead donkey!" Kenny, "Sure I can=2E Watch me=2E I just won't tell anybody he is dead=2E"= A month later the farmer met up with Kenny and asked, "What happened with that dead donkey?" Kenny, "I raffled him off=2E I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and= made a profit of $898=2E"=20 Farmer, "Didn't anyone complain?" Kenny, "Just the guy who won=2E So I gav= e him his two dollars back=2E"=20 Kenny grew up and eventually became the chairman of Enron=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:21:12 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Part 1: Old Software (was abandonware) Comments: To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807143606.02134410@mail.alwaysafe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 07 August 2002 03:38 pm, Avi Meshar wrote: > Vic, > > >Avi - you seem to be dispensing a lot of legal advice > > about how I (and other members of this group) will or > > will not be impacted by becoming "members" of this > > group. Before this continues much further, I would > > appreciate knowing where and when you obtained your law > > degree and in which States you have been admitted to > > practice law. > > I am not a lawyer, and I proclaimed this many times. > Following legal advice _I_ give out is a foolish act. > Don't do it! Ask your own lawyer. What I dispense is my > own view on what is and is not an issue, from the POV of > a vendor. Use it at your own risk. > > If I were a lawyer, I'd ask everyone reading the advice > to send me $10,000 to start the contingency account. I am > sending you my $10,000 forthwith. I just found the money, > and as I said before, if I had it, I'd send it you. So > there... Do you have a PayPal account? > Sure. vicroberts@earthlink.net. -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:21:24 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: 700LX PCMCIA (was: Re: No time display in topcard) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Niels welcome on the list! :-) (You are THE Niels who wrote me about the 700LX PCMCIA port, right?) BTW, I haven't let the other list members know yet: Niels is trying to make other cards than the Nokia GSM card work in the second PCMCIA slot of the 700LX. With serctl /p he was at least able to power a network card in that slot, the LX immediately switched off because the card needed too much power. Thanks for your efforts! GTX daniel 08h40m ago HP700lx Freak wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn off the time/date display while the = topcard is > displayed? Name, company etc can easily be turned of by not entering > anything, but time and date still show up? Or can it at least be moved = to > another position on the screen, this looks damn ugly in the middle of = my > topcard... -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:54:43 -0400 Reply-To: Steve Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Steve Subject: Re: No time display in topcard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HP700lx Freak wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn off the time/date display while the topcard is > displayed? Name, company etc can easily be turned of by not entering > anything, but time and date still show up? Or can it at least be moved to > another position on the screen, this looks damn ugly in the middle of my > topcard... In the Setup application, select "owner", "picture" and point it to a PCX picture named anything other than TOPCARD.PCX. Steve ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:09:32 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Fluff: Efficient LX programming,was - Re: Networking and PPP on with Minix [part 2/2], MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michel 21h26m ago Michel Bel wrote: > re: TSR's in CP/M - those were not standard, but especially in the = PX-8 one > can define a 'user area' , which remains untouched during reboot. It = can > contain programs - the famous RTX program for the PX-8 is exactly that. > Press CTRL-PAUSE and the RTX programs pops up. Battery gauge, terminal, > debugger/patcher and hexcalc plus some more in 3.5KB. So now we know what Stefan was inspired by writing LXPro! ;-) GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:09:33 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 17h28m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > Well, using the serial port as a connection to the Internet for > a program running on another machine connected to the serial > port is different than using the serial port to connect another > user console. I'm sure there is a Linux program that provides > this function but I don't know what it is at this time. You need the pppd and IP forwarding and IP masquerading. See http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/internet_sharing GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:23:13 -0400 Reply-To: RickRae@usa.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Rick Rae Subject: Napster-style spam eliminator (was: Re: Old DOS Softwares) In-Reply-To: <002801c23e71$68faf920$ac0d22d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" On 8/7/2002 at 7:19 PM Barry wrote: [SNIP] >I just saw a story on the news that the developer of Napster's >software has now developed a warning system that works a little >like his Napster program for killing spam. The idea sounds VERY >good. When someone see's spam, he marks it and everyone else >using that program no longer get's that spam. Only a few people >have to get it. They implied that there are options for how many >people have to declare something spam before your program rejects >it. Or it can just re-direct it. > >It's available now in alpha for download (I don't have the url) but >only for Win 2k and XP. Others to follow. They interviewed some >users who say it's great. > >This could be the start of something big. :) > >Barry This sounds VERY interesting, and prompted me to do a quick Google search. The company is CloudMark, Inc., and the product is called "SpamNet." Unfortunately, it's an Outlook plug-in; doesn't even work with Outlook Express. Not a lot of help for those retrieving email on their LXes, or people like me who don't use Outlook on their workstations. Though they do hint at an interest in supporting other clients at some point, though unless they make it VERY generic it probably won't ever help us LXers directly on our palmtops. http://www.cloudmark.com/ is the company's site. I've signed on to their listserv to keep on top of the product. I'd really like to see something like this running on my machines. Thanks for the tip, Barry! :o) Cheers, Rick ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:42:00 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Daniel, On Thursday 08 August 2002 09:09 am, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > Hi Vic > > 17h28m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > > Well, using the serial port as a connection to the > > Internet for a program running on another machine > > connected to the serial port is different than using > > the serial port to connect another user console. I'm > > sure there is a Linux program that provides this > > function but I don't know what it is at this time. > > You need the pppd and IP forwarding and IP masquerading. > See > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/internet_sharing Thanks. Which distribution are you using? -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:02:30 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Conics.net Auction service MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone used this service? Its at www.conics.net Basically you search the Yahoo Japanese Auction site for what you want and they'll bid on it for you and ship it to you. Shipping is about 40 and they charge a 10% commission. I've been searching for a PC110 but ebay never has them and when they do they go for obsene prices. But Yahoo Japan has a lot plus mem upgrades, floppy drives, cables. The whole shebang. Even with the additional fees prices are still pretty low. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Napster-style spam eliminator (was: Re: Old DOS Softwares) Comments: To: RickRae@usa.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rae" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Napster-style spam eliminator (was: Re: Old DOS Softwares) > This sounds VERY interesting, and prompted me to do a quick Google search. > The company is CloudMark, Inc., and the product is called "SpamNet." > > Unfortunately, it's an Outlook plug-in; doesn't even work with Outlook > Express. Not a lot of help for those retrieving email on their LXes, or > people like me who don't use Outlook on their workstations. Though they do > hint at an interest in supporting other clients at some point, though > unless they make it VERY generic it probably won't ever help us LXers > directly on our palmtops. The story said it was new and still experimental. I can't remember if they said beta. I think they just said experimental. And that it's only there for a couple of Windows variants right now. So I suspect it won't be long till there are other plugins or clients or whatever. The LX is just dos so who knows. Did Napster get to dos? It would be nice if they publish the specs so other clients could be written. I guess it's probably commercial so they might not. Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:01:18 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" In-Reply-To: <281450-2200283714552770@M2W057.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 07 August 2002 10:05 am, hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM wrote: > Vic wrote on 7 Aug 2002 05:08:10 -0700: > >>On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:13 -0500, Avi Meshar > >> wrote: > >> > >> If they want to sit on the patent and bury it - they > >> can do it. > > > > I do not believe this is correct. The purpose of a > > patent is to ENCOURAGE the development and production > > of new devices by providing protection to the inventor > > for a limited amount of years. I believe it is correct > > that there is no law requiring the production of a > > device just because it has been patented. After all, > > the device may not be economically feasible. [snip] > > I am working with a patent lawyer on a project for one > > of my clients. I will ask him about this and get back > > to the list. > > Please do. And while you are at it check on the storyline > of the Tucker. I think this has something to do with > someone who invented a revolutionary engine suitable for > trucks and one of the automobile companies bought his > patent from him and basically killed it by sitting on it > so it does not compete with their engines. There was a > movie about it... As much as I might not like to admit it, Avi is right. I just spoke to the patent attorney and he confirmed that a patent holder has NO obligation to produce a device he has patented or to license it to anyone. The only exception (in the US at least) is that certain government contracts state that the patent holder must agree to license any inventions developed under said contract that the patent holder does not wish to produce and sell themselves. (That, however, is a contract issue, not a patent law issue.) The other interesting fact that I learned from the USPTO web site is that a patent does NOT give anyone the right to make and sell the invention (because they may be prior art blocking patents) A patent only gives the patent holder the right to PREVENT someone else from selling the object covered by the invention. Everything stated above refers to US patent Law. I have no information about patent law in other countries. -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:08:37 +0200 Reply-To: Erwann ABALEA Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Erwann ABALEA Organization: Halfling Soft Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC Comments: To: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Victor Roberts wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 09:09 am, Daniel Hertrich wrote: > > Hi Vic > > > > You need the pppd and IP forwarding and IP masquerading. > > See > > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/internet_sharing > > Thanks. Which distribution are you using? It doesn't matter. What you need to check is your version of the pppd daemon, and the version of the kernel (2.0.x, 2.2.x, 2.4.x) to determine the right tool to set up your firewalling rules. -- Erwann ABALEA - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:49:27 -0500 Reply-To: Barry Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Barry Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Victor Roberts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The other interesting fact that I learned from the USPTO > web site is that a patent does NOT give anyone the right to > make and sell the invention (because they may be prior art > blocking patents) A patent only gives the patent holder the > right to PREVENT someone else from selling the object > covered by the invention. That is interesting. I've never heard of it before. So patents aren't to encourage new ideas. They can only block new ideas. What a wonderful system! Barry ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:03:08 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and color screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person can pick the OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the internal flash with multi-tasking and using the connectivity pack. I can get a 28 meg PC110 for about 400 I think which would be plenty of ram for running programs. Anyway so I'm thinking of selling my 32 meg 200LX. It has white backlighting and upgraded charging plus a bunch of software. I'd keep my backup 2 meg 200LX though. It also has backlighting and upgraded charging. If anyone is interested email me with a serious offer and if I like it I'll sell it to you. Since its offered to the list I'll ship almost anyway you want for free. John ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:43:19 -0500 Reply-To: hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Avi Meshar Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Victor Roberts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 8/8/02-09:01 AM, Good Man Vic wrote: >As much as I might not like to admit it, Avi is right. You'll get over it, soonest, I hope. I am sure the $10,00 that is on its way to your paypal account will help. That is as soon as I find a spare $10K . Don't get mad at me, just get even with me ... Seriously, I faced these issues several years ago and spent lots of $$$ to get advice. I eventually chose to protect the invention by keeping it secret, then sold it to a grateful buyer. It was a software thing. >I just spoke to the patent attorney and he confirmed that a patent holder >has NO obligation to produce a device he has patented or to license it to >anyone. I.e. they can just "sit" on it for 17 years if they want to. Sure, it is a waste, but it is the choice of the patent holder. >The other interesting fact that I learned from the USPTO web site is that >a patent does NOT give anyone the right to make and sell the invention >(because they may be prior art blocking patents) A patent only gives the >patent holder the right to PREVENT someone else from selling the object >covered by the invention. Yes. If someone creates something which you patented (even if it is _provable_ that it was not copied from you in any way i.e. it is independent invention!) you can stop them from manufacturing, unless both sides can agree to some economic arrangement (which is basically licensing). But if you do not intend that widget XYZ will be manufactured you can stop it with the power of the court. (I won't comment on whether this is good or bad, since it is not germaine.) >Everything stated above refers to US patent Law. I have no information >about patent law in other countries. Many are fashioned in a similar way, and differ in the details, but as we know "God is in the details!" Yes, I had to deal with patent laws in UK, Sweden, and Germany too. avi ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:16:16 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Backlit 32 meg DS 200LX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I'm getting repeat questions here is a short description. John Here are some details. I bought it used from Thaddeus maybe 3 (?) years ago. Pluses: It has backlighting which uses the internel power as power source. It is EL backlighting. The only thing noticable about the upgrade is a very slight bulge on the right side of the screen from the panel wiring. Otherwise it looks like a regular 200LX. The backlite can be turned on and off, as required, from the keyboard. Charging upgrade. Charges at 300 mA fast 45 mA slow Double clocked 32 meg of ram (T2T board -Thaddeus added upgrade) one outlet AC adapter- tip needs to replaced on that- I can include a replacement tip however you'll need to put it on. I'll also include a EXP 14.4k pcmcia modem with 4 meg of flash which I don't need anymore. Minuses: Does have crack on right side of case by hinge but it's never gotten worse Does have a melted spot on bottom half of case near pcmcia slide switch from a prototype charging unit. Only noticeable from the bottom. The serial port goes into IR instead of serial at boot. But both IR and serial work just fine. Software: T2T memory drivers Software Carousel Lotus 2.4 A86 Battlog Charge version 2.7 (required to operate charger properly) Backlite 1.2 (needed to turn backlite on/off from keyboard) Convert Derive HP Deskjet 340 software Goin' Postal HDM Minix Paldraw Power Monitor Quicken for Dos version 7 (I believe) Stock Chart (need WWW/LX for that) No disks included Brand new 1800 Maha NiMH batteries included Everything works- I'm charging the batteries presently and using it- sold as is however. Price- open- make offer.Mainly I'm interested in getting enough money out of it to buy a IBM PC110 with at least 20 meg of ram and all accessories. ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:24:38 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Re: Backlit 32 meg DS 200LX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah, and I can also take off Minix and put Word for Dos or Word Perfect 5.1 on. John On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:16:16 -0500, you wrote: >Since I'm getting repeat questions here is a short description. > >John > >Here are some details. > >I bought it used from Thaddeus maybe 3 (?) years ago. >Pluses: > >It has backlighting which uses the internel power as power source. It >is EL backlighting. The only thing noticable about the upgrade is a >very slight bulge on the right side of the screen from the panel >wiring. Otherwise it looks like a regular 200LX. The backlite can be >turned on and off, as required, from the keyboard. >Charging upgrade. >Charges at 300 mA fast 45 mA slow >Double clocked >32 meg of ram (T2T board -Thaddeus added upgrade) >one outlet AC adapter- tip needs to replaced on that- I can include a >replacement tip however you'll need to put it on. >I'll also include a EXP 14.4k pcmcia modem with 4 meg of flash which I >don't need anymore. > >Minuses: > >Does have crack on right side of case by hinge but it's never gotten >worse >Does have a melted spot on bottom half of case near pcmcia slide >switch from a prototype charging unit. Only noticeable from the >bottom. >The serial port goes into IR instead of serial at boot. But both IR >and serial work just fine. > >Software: > >T2T memory drivers >Software Carousel >Lotus 2.4 >A86 >Battlog >Charge version 2.7 (required to operate charger properly) >Backlite 1.2 (needed to turn backlite on/off from keyboard) >Convert >Derive >HP Deskjet 340 software >Goin' Postal >HDM >Minix >Paldraw >Power Monitor >Quicken for Dos version 7 (I believe) >Stock Chart (need WWW/LX for that) > >No disks included > >Brand new 1800 Maha NiMH batteries included > >Everything works- I'm charging the batteries presently and using it- >sold as is however. > >Price- open- make offer.Mainly I'm interested in getting enough money >out of it to buy a IBM PC110 with at least 20 meg of ram and all >accessories. > >** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:58:18 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: web site updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 08.08.02 8:53 PM +0200 Hi friends, http://www.daniel-hertrich.de has been totally redesigned and partially restructured. I also added lots of interesting info, for example technical info on 1000CX, Omnigo100, 700LX, 95LX and also 100/200LX, added a picture of my palmtop collection, made everything much more convenient to read (using cascading style sheets) and added more pictures. Please report broken links, missing pictures, wrong info, or make suggestions what I could add and what I may have forgotten! Almost all pages have been modified, some only slightly, corrected some msitakes, added some minor info. But simply browse around yourself and see! GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:13:55 -0500 Reply-To: John Musielewicz Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: John Musielewicz Subject: Price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More general info. Since people keep asking for a price instead of making an offer like I asked I think the thing is worth 850. However the price is negotiable. John=20 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:53:00 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Old DOS Softwares MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry 19h17m ago Barry wrote: > He doesn't believe in piracy but somehow if it's generally > unavailable software such as an old Turbo something or other, the > software finds itself atatched to the reply. He tells me he > suspects that his email program is less than totally honest. LOL! Good to know. Maybe I'll send him an email some day. :-) > I just saw a story on the news that the developer of Napster's > software has now developed a warning system that works a little > like his Napster program for killing spam. The idea sounds VERY > good. When someone see's spam, he marks it and everyone else > using that program no longer get's that spam. Only a few people > have to get it. They implied that there are options for how many > people have to declare something spam before your program rejects > it. Or it can just re-direct it. Yes, this sounds indeed like a very good idea! But I guess it's just a question of time until the first viruses are written which torpedize this napster-like Anti-spam thing. Let's see where this gets. If I can use it also somehow in combination with the palmtop (i.e. with Roboweb if it's a web-based service, or if there is a DOS EXE if it's a client-based program) it could really be useful! I get very much spam now, so I not only changed the look of my homepage, but also the email address published on the homepage. So everyone having my old address "thepalmtopman@epost.de" in their address books, pleaase change it to the From address of this posting, which is NOT new, but my permanent email address. The other one will probably change again soon, because of spam. :-( GTX daniel - http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:16:45 -0400 Reply-To: Victor Roberts Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Victor Roberts Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: hplxmail@alwaysafe.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808100734.025bfec0@mail.alwaysafe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 08 August 2002 11:43 am, hplxmail@alwaysafe.com wrote: > > >The other interesting fact that I learned from the USPTO > > web site is that a patent does NOT give anyone the > > right to make and sell the invention (because they may > > be prior art blocking patents) A patent only gives the > > patent holder the right to PREVENT someone else from > > selling the object covered by the invention. > > Yes. If someone creates something which you patented > (even if it is _provable_ that it was not copied from you > in any way i.e. it is independent invention!) you can > stop them from manufacturing, unless both sides can agree > to some economic arrangement (which is basically > licensing). But if you do not intend that widget XYZ will > be manufactured you can stop it with the power of the > court. (I won't comment on whether this is good or bad, > since it is not germaine.) The sample I read this. A invents an improvement to something patented by B. If B does not want to produce the basic device and is not willing to license anyone to build and sell the basic device, then A cannot sell his improved version. -- Vic Roberts ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000 Reply-To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "F. Kaufman" Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and interest,survey Comments: To: John Musielewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy stuff from > them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If they change them > they will be less attractive as a distributer since their prices are rather > high. > > John Hey, John, can't bring yourself to even spell LIBERAL (gd&r) Fred (who is way behind in messages due to Vertigo attack!) ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:53:48 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: CMDEDIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been using the CMDEDIT utility (originally from PC Magazine, with extensions over the years) for many years now. I recently have a project that would benefit from some minor modifications to the program. According to the documentation, it was originally distributed with source code. Might anyone on the list have the complete package? -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:57:59 -0400 Reply-To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "hplxmail@alwaysafe.com" Subject: Fluff: Patents (was: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor)) Comments: To: RobertsV@EARTHLINK.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Roberts robertsv@earthlink=2Enet wrote on 8 Aug 2002 20:16:45 -0400= :=20 >The sample I read this=2E A invents an improvement to=20 >something patented by B=2E If B does not want to produce the=20 >basic device and is not willing to license anyone to build=20 >and sell the basic device, then A cannot sell his improved=20 >version=2E=20 That is an interesting example=2E It illustrates a number of the elements = in action in a patent=2E Avi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:09:25 -0500 Reply-To: Chris Lott Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Chris Lott Subject: CMDEDIT: Found MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I've answered my own question. Check out: http://www.geocities.com/jadoxa/cmdedit/index.html Jason Hood did the most recent edits on the old version 2.0/j1 that I have been using. Apparently he has kept it up... the latest is version 3.20. I'll give it a try on my HP200, as well as on my desktop and laptop computers (apparently it now has some support for Win9x machines...) -Chris Lott -- ************************************************************************ R. Christopher Lott, P.E. rclott@ro.com Alpha Beta Technologies, Inc. PHONE: 256-534-9067 x273 3112 12th Ave S.W. FAX: 256-534-9069 Huntsville, Alabama 35805 CELL: 256-337-9815 ************************************************************************ ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:53:38 -0400 Reply-To: David Firth Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: David Firth Subject: Re: Dataviz HP LX sync to Mac In-Reply-To: <3D5082FF.2398DF62@emory.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would need it to operate on OS 9. If it doesn't work above OS 8, I might as well go another route. Thanks for the info, and thanks for the offer to hook me up with a copy. -- David Firth djfirth@earthlink.net (Newtontalk list only) djfirth@mindspring.com (Mac, Newton email, & General) Apple iBook 500/640/10G/DSL Apple Newton 2100 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:55:53 -0700 Reply-To: patrick@west.net Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Patrick West Subject: Exchange/Transfer/Translation MAC-HP PalmTop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MacLinkPlus Wasn't someone looking for this a while back? seen on ebay -- Patrick West, patrickwest3@attbi.com on 08/08/2002 ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:11:03 +0200 Reply-To: Axel Klag Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Klag Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20020809035856.E2470B67AC@voltaire.dwelle.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:11:50 EDT Reply-To: PeterSwinbank@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Peter Swinbank Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TECH=20LOTUS=20123=20"=A3"=20SIGN=20DISPLAY?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd be grateful for advice on two problems please: 1. When I type Fn+(Green Phone App) key to get an English currency "=A3" si= gn,=20 I have to edit the "=A3" sign by putting a '" ' " label indicator in front o= f=20 it - tedious. Is this normal please? My set-up in Setup/Options/International is DOS Code Page 850 Printer is set to Epson FX80 in Setup/Options/Printer 2. Even more importantly to me, when I print directly from my 200LX using a= =20 Greenwich Instruments Paralink? GA945 serial to parallel converter to a HP31= 0=20 DeskJet set to PC850, the "=A3" sign comes out as "=F9" i.e. a u with a forw= ard=20 facing accent. Code 151 in 437 and 850 Code tables. I can print my Lotus spreadsheet out fine with "=A3" signs if I copy it to m= y=20 desktop running Lotus 3.4 and connected to the DeskJet 310 using a standard=20 parallel cable - same settings i.e. PC850 I'm using an English 32MBDS 200LX=20 Regards to all, Peter Swinbank ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:56:26 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Printing via Linux PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic 17h57m ago Victor Roberts wrote: > Thanks. Which distribution are you using? Currently, my Linux is based on a SuSE 7.3. But I have replaced some basic components, such as the kernel and some other hardware-dependent things. Why do you ask? The internet sharing setup should be the same on each distribution, except maybe that one distribution might provide setu tools, which the other doesn't. But the description on my homepage doesn't mention such tools, but it goes directly to the root of the setup. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:56:27 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Avi 16h05m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > faced these issues several years ago and spent lots of $$$ to get = advice. I > eventually chose to protect the invention by keeping it secret, then = sold > it to a grateful buyer. It was a software thing. Several years ago I spoke with a guy from the German institution which manages patents (Patentamt), and he said to me _software_ cannot be patented at all. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:23:47 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: web site updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Hertrich wrote: > made everything much more convenient to read > (using cascading style sheets) and added more pictures. My first thought was "Oh no, not you too, please!", but relax everybody, as was to be expected from Daniel, it is all a very well designed perfectly readable site, even with my configuration "all fonts and colours fixed, all junk (including CSS strictly off) and even on very small monitors or in windows. One surprise: I never realized you were so much younger than me. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:43:20 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: TECH LOTUS 123 "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3?=" SIGN DISPLAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter Swinbank wrote: > I have to edit the "=A3" sign by putting a '" ' " label indicator This is documented Lotus. The program assumes (and adds) the text indicator if the first character is a letter, so if that letter is a cell you have to deactivate that by adding a plus, "+b17". High ASCII are not letters. > 2. Even more importantly to me, when I print directly from > my 200LX using a Greenwich Instruments Paralink? GA945 serial > to parallel converter to a HP310 DeskJet set to PC850, the "=A3" > sign comes out as "=F9" i.e. a u with a forward facing accent. When the LX was designed, HP printers defaulted to a HP own "Roman 8" character set and this is what the LX puts out. You have to initialize newer HP printers, like the 310 I use myself, with "(8U" to behave like the older ones. Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:55:14 +0200 Reply-To: Niels Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Niels Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, next try responding to the list... (still got to get used to it :) ) That's right daniel you cannot patent software. But one can still keep it secret and sell it to someone... Greetz, Niels [n] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hertrich" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor) Hi Avi 16h05m ago Avi Meshar wrote: > faced these issues several years ago and spent lots of $$$ to get advice. I > eventually chose to protect the invention by keeping it secret, then sold > it to a grateful buyer. It was a software thing. Several years ago I spoke with a guy from the German institution which manages patents (Patentamt), and he said to me _software_ cannot be patented at all. GTX daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:53:43 +0200 Reply-To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Axel Berger Subject: Re: TECH LOTUS 123 "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3?=" SIGN DISPLAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot: Peter Swinbank wrote: > Printer is set to Epson FX80 in Setup/Options/Printer This is of course wrong. As long as all you send are ASCII letters and numbers it does not matter, but even the printer resets are different and built in stuff like bold and underline will result in total chaos. Use the HP laser selection for HP printers. (And don't try inserting Epson sequences into your text, HPs do things rather a lot differently.) Axel ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:11:21 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: 1mb internal memory card for sale. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just added a 4mb memory upgrade to my 200lx, mine had a 1mb card already fitted, so the 1mb card is now going spare. I have no idea of it's value, so any offers (sensible ones please) ??? free shipping to the UK for members of this list, shipping given at a discounted rate to USA for members of this list. regards, Kerwin Robertson ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:21:47 +0100 Reply-To: "Svagr, Radek" Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: "Svagr, Radek" Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" If you have good soldering skills you can add it to the 4MB and get in total 6MB... Radek > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List On Behalf Of Kerwin Robertson > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:11 AM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: 1mb internal memory card for sale. > > I have just added a 4mb memory upgrade to my 200lx, > mine had a 1mb card already fitted, so the 1mb card is now going spare. > I have no idea of it's value, so any offers (sensible ones please) ??? > > free shipping to the UK for members of this list, shipping given at a > discounted rate to USA > for members of this list. > > regards, > > Kerwin Robertson > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:41:29 +0100 Reply-To: Ron Shanks Associates Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Kerwin Robertson Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale. Comments: To: "Svagr, Radek" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tell me more............ where do I get the instructions for doing this???? I have done some limited surface mount stuff before, so I think I could manage this, regards, Kerwin Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Svagr, Radek To: Sent: 09 August 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale. If you have good soldering skills you can add it to the 4MB and get in total 6MB... Radek > -----Original Message----- > From: HPLX Mailing List On Behalf Of Kerwin Robertson > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:11 AM > To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu > Subject: 1mb internal memory card for sale. > > I have just added a 4mb memory upgrade to my 200lx, > mine had a 1mb card already fitted, so the 1mb card is now going spare. > I have no idea of it's value, so any offers (sensible ones please) ??? > > free shipping to the UK for members of this list, shipping given at a > discounted rate to USA > for members of this list. > > regards, > > Kerwin Robertson > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:46:41 EDT Reply-To: PeterSwinbank@AOL.COM Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Peter Swinbank Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20TECH=20LOTUS=20123=20"=A3"=20SIGN=20DISPLAY?= Comments: To: Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De Comments: cc: wallgren@singnet.com.sg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lieber Axel, thank you for responding so quickly and comprehensively to my=20 query. > This is documented Lotus. The program assumes (and adds) the text indicato= r=20 if the first character is a letter, ... < Yes, I understand. Soon after I sent the message I realised that this was=20 the reason - you know how it is sometimes, think about something and come=20 back again with an answer :-) > ... High ASCII are not letters.< Just to clarify please. Do you mean that "=A3" sign is "High ASCII" and not= a=20 letter?=20 > When the LX was designed, HP printers defaulted to a .... < Excellent! But I'm not sure what you mean by " ... You have to initialize newer HP=20 printers, like the 310 I use myself, with "(8U" ......." How do I do this please? Do I need to type " (8U " in the Lotus cell? I look forward to hearing from you. Liebe Gr=FC=DFe, Peter ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:03:51 +0200 Reply-To: Niels Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Niels Subject: Internal SMS-editor in Nokia phones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just sending an email to daniel, which some info for his mobile phone page, section sms. I thought that you however might be interested in this, so here's what I wrote: By my information all Nokia phones do have a build-in sms-editor. (I mean, not the editor one can use to enter messages from the phone, but an editor which can be reached when a serial link is established). I have only tested this with my 2110 which came with my 700lx for I do not have [access to] any other 'wired' Nokia phone. It is faily easy to access this editor. First you need to setup the physical link (doh) by dock the nokia into your 700lx or plug in a cable or use it's infrared capabilities if possible. Open this connection, you can use any terminal(program) as long it's euhm.. well normal [ and can handle serial links ]. Usually you will gain access to the modem (you might be accessing via a modem card, like I do with my 700lx) and can give the usual AT commands. There is an AT command to enter the SMS-editor, which is AT*C. Now the phone will go into an SMS-editor and will no longer accept any AT commands until you exit the editor. You can get help by entering HELP (how suprising). EXIT exits (suprised?). I don't know much more for I have never really used this. [the build in app in my 700lx is way easier to use...] Nice thing to know when using the 700lx: You can connect to the modem, even when the phone is turned off. You can try stuff, eg. ATDT(phone number) which results in a NO CARRIER. Unknown commands will result in 'ERROR', and so will AT*C when the phone is turned off. You really have to turn on the phone (and wait a little while) before the AT*C command works. Maybe someone here can confirm this for other nokia phones? Greetz, Niels ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:49:15 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 04h32m ago Axel Klag wrote: > unsubscribe > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml Warum denn das? :-( Du mu=DFt die Nachricht "unsubscribe hplx-l" an listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu schicken! Gru=DF Daniel -- http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:49:16 +0200 Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich Sender: HPLX Mailing List From: Daniel Hertrich Subject: Re: web site updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Axel, 03h33m ago Axel Berger wrote: > My first thought was "Oh no, not you too, please!", I know what you mean! > but relax everybody, > as was to be expected from Daniel, it is all a very well designed > perfectly readable site, even with my configuration "all fonts and > colours fixed, all junk (including CSS strictly off) and even on very > small monitors or in windows. I took care that I use only plain HTML for the sites themselves (okay, for the dynamic stuff like "last updated" and the page footer etc. I use Server Side Includes, but that's not noticeable from the user's point of view in any way), so it should even still be readable in HV. The only thing I use which may be a minor problem to HV are tables. Well, I kind of changed my mind drastically about CSS. I always thought I'd never use more than plain HTML, but when I learned about the CSS2 standard supported by Opera, and found that this is a _very_ convenient way to create presentations under Linux (see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/studienarbeit/zw_ber and switch to full-screen mode, if your browser supports CSS2 you will see a nice presentation!) I decided to dive a little deeper into CSS, and it _really_ is a great enhancement! If a browser really supports CSS, such as Opera 5, Mozilla, MS IE 5.0, Konqueror, but unfortunately _not_ Netscape 4.76 for Linux, CSS can make reading HTML pages much more convenient, if it is used in the right manner. I don't know about Netscape 4.7x for Windows, though. Have you tried to read my pages _with_ CSS? Isn't it way better? I think it is. The link lists (palmtop index) are better readable, because of bigger distances between the single items, the headings are emphasized by blue bars, 
 elements (batch files, configuration
files...) have a border so they can be distinguished better from the
surrounding and, last but not least, it gives the whole
Internet presence an individual touch.

But other than Javascript and all these terrible things, it does NOT
mean any security holes, no slowdown of page loading and displaying,
and it means a kind of uniforming the display of a website, independent
of the browser (IF the browser really supports CSS! But I think almost
all recent browsers do now).
And another great advantage of CSS over Javascript & co is that the
page is still readable without it. :-)

And recent browsers support CSS even as a feature on the user's side,
so you can easily replace the webmaster's CSS by your own, or even
apply your own one to every page which is displayed, not only these
pages which use CSS already, and so you can make display of _any_ page
in your browser window quite equal. A little bit like Netscape's
"all fonts and colours fixed" setting like you use it. But much more
flexible.

The Opera browser (www.opera.com) is the one which supports CSS best, I
think.

I can only encourage every web designer to learn CSS. It's easy, and
_so_ powerful!

Conclusion: CSS supports these users who don't want to control everything
themselves by making the pages nicer. But the others, who _want_ to
control everything themselves, can simply switch it off and don't have
to fear that something on the page may not work or be displayed anymore.

> One surprise: I never realized you were so
> much younger than me.

How much? ;-)

GTX
daniel

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Reply-To:     "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" 
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From:         "Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota" 
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Hi John,

If you are interested in the IBM PC 110 you should
also take a look at the Casio Fiva 101/102/103. This
Casio is about the same size as a PC110 (maybe
slightly larger) and is a much more recent computer.
It weighs only 1.82lb (830 grams), dimensions 210mm
(L) x 132mm (W) x 25.4mm (H)
Its minimum specs(model 101) include a 200mhz
processor (built by Cyrix) 32 Mb RAM and a 3,2Gb HD.
I think that new models use the Transmeta Crusoe
processor.
Find more about it here:

http://www.amherst.co.uk/casio-fiva.htm

http://www.fixup.net/tips/fiva/Casio%20Fiva.htm

Cheers,

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Reply-To:     Axel-Berger@Nexgo.De
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From:         Axel Berger 
Subject:      Re: TECH LOTUS 123 "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3?=" SIGN DISPLAY
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Peter Swinbank wrote:
> Just to clarify please.  Do you mean that "=A3" sign is
> "High ASCII" and not a letter?
The ASCII standard is 7-bit only, i.e. the characters 0 to 127. Those
are strictly standardized, the upper 128 are a bit of a free for all,
thus codepages. Included in this mixed bag are italics, IBM graphics,
German umlauts, ^2 (squared), currencies and other stuff. To you and me,
depending on how we write our native language, some of those are
letters, some aren't, but Lotus does not know that.

> How do I do this please?
> Do I need to type " (8U " in the Lotus cell?
No, you define an initialization sequence. In my German Lx that is
. This can be saved in the main config
for all new sheets, but you can also overwrite that for any individual
sheet if required. The same for Memo and all database variants is found
under . For  you actually have to type
"\027".

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:18:17 +0200
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Niels wrote:
> By my information all Nokia phones do have a build-in sms-editor.
This may be true for newer phones with a complete internal modem, but
for the 2110 as used with the 700 LX it is actually part of the PCMCIA
modem card. As this is always needed to connect the phone to a computer
anyway, this dioes not make any practical difference though.

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> How much? ;-)

Not quite as much as Avi and Barry and, I presume, Guenther: Abi '77

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:14 +0100
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don't forget the toshiba libretto series,
the fiva's are a bit like rocking horse poo,
the libbys are plentiful,
I used to run an overclocked 50ct, good little machine, very well built.
Just thinking back to the stuff I have owned at one point or another,

psion organizer lz64
psion series 3
psion series 5
palm 3x
palm 3c
nokia 9110i
apple newton 2100
philips velo
casio em500
ipaq 3650
hp 568
ipaq 3850
toshiba libretto 50ct
sony clie 760
sony C1XD picturebook
onhand pda watch
hp 200lx

my current set up includes

hp200lx
hp568 pocket pc
ibm 600x laptop

please note that the above list is not in any order of date or preference!

regards,

Kerwin Robertson

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To: 
Sent: 09 August 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: Conics.net Auction service


Hi John,

If you are interested in the IBM PC 110 you should
also take a look at the Casio Fiva 101/102/103. This
Casio is about the same size as a PC110 (maybe
slightly larger) and is a much more recent computer.
It weighs only 1.82lb (830 grams), dimensions 210mm
(L) x 132mm (W) x 25.4mm (H)
Its minimum specs(model 101) include a 200mhz
processor (built by Cyrix) 32 Mb RAM and a 3,2Gb HD.
I think that new models use the Transmeta Crusoe
processor.
Find more about it here:

http://www.amherst.co.uk/casio-fiva.htm

http://www.fixup.net/tips/fiva/Casio%20Fiva.htm

Cheers,

Inigo

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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Internal SMS-editor in Nokia phones


> Niels wrote:
> > By my information all Nokia phones do have a build-in sms-editor.
> This may be true for newer phones with a complete internal modem, but
> for the 2110 as used with the 700 LX it is actually part of the PCMCIA
> modem card. As this is always needed to connect the phone to a computer
> anyway, this dioes not make any practical difference though.
>
> Axel
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Hi Axel, I thougt the same but as you can read in my posting this seems not
to be case

[start snippet]
    Nice thing to know when using the 700lx: You can connect to the modem,
even when the phone is turned off. You can try stuff, eg. ATDT(phone number)
which results in a NO CARRIER. Unknown commands will result in 'ERROR', and
so will AT*C when the phone is turned off. You really have to turn on the
phone (and wait a little while) before the AT*C command works.
[stop snippet]

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:12:56 -0500
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On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:11:10 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi John,
>
>If you are interested in the IBM PC 110 you should
>also take a look at the Casio Fiva 101/102/103. This
>Casio is about the same size as a PC110 (maybe
>slightly larger) and is a much more recent computer.
>It weighs only 1.82lb (830 grams), dimensions 210mm
>(L) x 132mm (W) x 25.4mm (H)

Its the same size as  a libretto. I aleady have a 70CT and soon will
have a 100CT. The PC110 is much smaller- about the size of the 200LX.=20

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If you go through ebay I'd watch out for Deal4nowtoo. I just had a
really bad experience with him in a presales question- he advertised a
5 gig Type II hard drive then didn't have one then got really nasty
when I questioned him on what he DID have. I checked his feedback and
even though he has a majority of positive responses even the positives
are riddled with negative comments such as poor advertising and wrong
item shipped!! Alot of comments on over charging for shipping too.
Plus I noticed that alot of the feedback seems to be repeats of the
same ones almost as if the same person had made a mistake and sent it
5 times and for some reason it got through. So personally I think
you'll get better prices, services and a better ebay experience if you
go through someone else.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:20:43 +0200
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John Musielewicz wrote:
> even though he has a majority of positive responses even the positives
> are riddled with negative comments such as poor advertising and wrong
> item shipped!! Alot of comments on over charging for shipping too.

Everyone has mostly positive feedback, sometimes from people like me who
sometimes write the feedback before finding the fault. I make a point of
always reading the complaints if any. Sometimes they are clearly malicious
or stupid but often they do point to a weakness. OTOH all my complaints are
from vendors complaining about my complaint, never about my actions, so I
hope others will take a closer look too and not just say "oh no, three
complaints, better not".
But undoubtedly when the usenet was much smaller could trust people far
more than today when all the rabble is chatting and browsing.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:15:38 -0500
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Maybe it is true for Germany? I could patent the process that was embodied
in my software. But I chose to keep it secret and sell it, which is what I
wrote, in case you missed it.

>Several years ago I spoke with a guy from the German institution which
>manages patents (Patentamt), and he said to me _software_ cannot be
>patented at all.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:32:03 -0400
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On Friday 09 August 2002 01:05 pm, John Musielewicz wrote:
> If you go through ebay I'd watch out for Deal4nowtoo. I
> just had a really bad experience with him in a presales
> question- he advertised a 5 gig Type II hard drive then
> didn't have one then got really nasty when I questioned
> him on what he DID have. I checked his feedback and even
> though he has a majority of positive responses even the
> positives are riddled with negative comments such as poor
> advertising and wrong item shipped!! Alot of comments on
> over charging for shipping too. Plus I noticed that alot
> of the feedback seems to be repeats of the same ones
> almost as if the same person had made a mistake and sent
> it 5 times and for some reason it got through. So
> personally I think you'll get better prices, services and
> a better ebay experience if you go through someone else.

I have had some very bad experiences on eBay along with
many good ones. The problem is that the feedback system is
worthless. people are afraid of leaving negative feedback
because of retaliation. I one left negative feedback about
an item I paid for but was not delivered. The seller then
left retaliatory feedback calling me a liar and cheat in
big capital letters. Even though PayPal got my funds back,
eBay refused to do anything about this libelous feedback.

eBay's refusal to take positive steps to provide a safe
auction environment will eventually be their downfall.
People will stop coming. I have decided that in most cases
the slow shipping and incorrect product descriptions are
not worth my time and trouble unless it is an item that I
cannot buy in a real store.  If I order something from
Tiger Direct or buy.com it usually arrives the next day or
the day after at the latest, even with the lowest cost
shipping. Simple stuff purchased on ebay takes a week or
two or never.

--
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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:46:43 -0500
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From:         John Musielewicz 
Subject:      Re: Charging current increase modification info and
              interest,survey
Comments: To: fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000, you wrote:

>> Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy stuff =
from
>> them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If they =
change them
>> they will be less attractive as a distributer since their prices are =
rather
>> high.
>>
>> John
>
>Hey, John, can't bring yourself to even spell LIBERAL (gd&r)

Hey Fred, do you ever get laid? But even though you don't you spell
properly right? :)

>
>Fred (who is way behind in messages due to Vertigo attack!)

John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer school but
was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has also
discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling are
usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
supervisers but not much else. )

>
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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:46:09 -0400
Reply-To:     Eduardo Seudsnimo 
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Subject:      FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was  New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$
              Hoax
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Here's a copy of an email I sent to our Nigerian friends. Whenever I get =
a Nigerian Hoax letter I respond in hopes of at least wasting their =
time. I think everyone should do this so as to help drown out the truly =
gullible in a sea of noise. Although..  there's a lot to be said for =
letting social Darwinism run it's course.

BTW: I wonder how this guy arrived at the 'Mr. Sly Oliver' pseudonym. =
Nigerian scammers can be so silly.

------------------------------[ mail response to Nigerian ]

I tried calling but the first number was disconnected. The second number =
connected me with a very angry man who used abusive language and =
insulted me. He made accusations about my gender and sexual preferences. =
It was very disconcerting.

These numbers do not look like regular phone numbers. Is there some =
special way to dial these phone numbers? I'm very interested in =
exploring your financial transaction but it seems to be difficult to =
coordinate. My phone number is here:

1-900-773-2020 Ext. 1023

Please attempt to contact me so we can make arrangements. I am anxious =
to continue but am growing impatient. I also want assurances that we are =
not breaking any laws.

Regfards,

Eduardo Seud=F3nimo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mr.Sly Oliver [mailto:sly4120a@diplomats.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:10 AM
> To: cojonesdetoro@excite.com
> Subject: RE: Mr.Sly
>=20
>=20
> Please try and call me for some discussion regarding this=20
> transaction with the numbers below;
> 234-8037202155
> 234-8023108038
> Sly.
> --=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mr.Sly Oliver [mailto:sly4120a@diplomats.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:59 PM
> To: cojonesdetoro@excite.com
> Subject: RE: Mr.Sly
>=20
>=20
> From:Mr.Sly Oliver
> Telephone:234-8037202155
>=20
> I wish to explain that the funds in question emanated
> from an over invoiced Contract that my Committee
> awarded to a Multinational Company. The contract was
> for the Turn Around Maintenance (TAM) of our Kaduna
> and Warri Refineries. It was awarded at the sum of
> $671.5million; but the contractors actual estimate
> was $650million. The contractor has now been fully
> paid his contract sum, less this excess amount, which
> we now wish to transfer into the account we expect you
> to provide for us. This amount has been in a suspense
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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:10:30 -0400
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> unless they make it VERY generic it probably won't ever help us LXers
> directly on our palmtops.

If they can get a reasonable high hit rate on SPAM, ISPs can use it on =
their mail servers without fear of blocking legitimate mail. This would =
help LXers.

Although, spammers will probably find ways to alter each mail message so =
as to make it unique to each sender and foil the filter. But, at the =
very least, it ups the ante and makes spamming more expensive.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Musielewicz" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and
interest,survey


On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000, you wrote:

> John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer
school but
> was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has
also
> discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling
are
> usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
> supervisers but not much else. )

It's time that we nerdy, obsessive, anal people who worry about
spelling defend ourselves against the semi-literate rabble.  (I
wonder if I can get away with that :)

I'm still far from perfect but I work at it and I keep getting
better.  I think I'm good enough at spelling now, after about 40
years of working on it, that I can look down my nose a little at
those who can't spell.  Oh, there you are, John.  My head was held
too high.  :)

John, like you, I focused on the girls in school and wasn't a very
good speller.  During my career I found that to be a handicap and,
instead of belittling those who could do well what I did poorly, I
set out to learn to spell.

After high school I drove a taxi.  Mostly around the docks.  (Is
that equivalent to the secretarial pool?)  Getting laid in that job
just meant saying yes.  But I was already learning to spell.  I
soon found that as my spelling improved my female passengers became
more desirous and more aggresive and my taxi driving income
decreased because there's only so much time in a day.  Who needed
money?  I was highly motivated to become an even better speller. :)

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:29:14 +0200
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Subject:      non-widescreen 320x200 display
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Hello there...

does anyone know if (and how) I can run programs which require 320x200
resolution in 320x200 resolution? Normally these are run in a widescreen
mode where every pixel takes 2 horizontal pixels. This way things look
extremely stretched :) And I think it is *theoretically* possible, but how
about *practically* possible. I did not find anything about that in the
manual but I might have overlooked, because i've hardly looked in it ('cuz
this thing is sooooo ez to operate :D).

any help will (of course) be appreciated...



Greetz,


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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:39:31 -0500
Reply-To:     John Musielewicz 
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From:         John Musielewicz 
Subject:      Re: Charging current increase modification info and
              interest,survey
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Heh- if a person wants to make sure spelling is correct just hire a
good secritary.

They take shorthand and answer the phone too!!

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:10:17 -0500, you wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Musielewicz" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and
>interest,survey
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer
>school but
>> was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has
>also
>> discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling
>are
>> usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
>> supervisers but not much else. )
>
>It's time that we nerdy, obsessive, anal people who worry about
>spelling defend ourselves against the semi-literate rabble.  (I
>wonder if I can get away with that :)
>
>I'm still far from perfect but I work at it and I keep getting
>better.  I think I'm good enough at spelling now, after about 40
>years of working on it, that I can look down my nose a little at
>those who can't spell.  Oh, there you are, John.  My head was held
>too high.  :)
>
>John, like you, I focused on the girls in school and wasn't a very
>good speller.  During my career I found that to be a handicap and,
>instead of belittling those who could do well what I did poorly, I
>set out to learn to spell.
>
>After high school I drove a taxi.  Mostly around the docks.  (Is
>that equivalent to the secretarial pool?)  Getting laid in that job
>just meant saying yes.  But I was already learning to spell.  I
>soon found that as my spelling improved my female passengers became
>more desirous and more aggresive and my taxi driving income
>decreased because there's only so much time in a day.  Who needed
>money?  I was highly motivated to become an even better speller. :)
>
>Barry
>
>

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:37:48 -0500
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At 8/9/02-10:46 AM, you wrote:
>Avi
>
>I had never rec'd one of these Nigeria hoax letters.  Only heard of them.
>  Funny how just after so much talk on the list I got one.  Anyone else
>hear from our friend Mr Sly?

Got two from Sly Oliver!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: non-widescreen 320x200 display


> Hello there...
>
> does anyone know if (and how) I can run programs which require
320x200
> resolution in 320x200 resolution? Normally these are run in a
widescreen
> mode where every pixel takes 2 horizontal pixels. This way things
look
> extremely stretched :) And I think it is *theoretically*
possible, but how
> about *practically* possible. I did not find anything about that
in the
> manual but I might have overlooked, because i've hardly looked in
it ('cuz
> this thing is sooooo ez to operate :D).

Actually the way it works with a pixel in 320x200 mode being twice
as wide as the pixel in 640x200 mode, is the way it works on any
PC.  The difference is the LX screen is wider and not as tall so
everything is automatically out of proportion.  It's not a
resolution problem.  It's the shape of the screen.

If you're using someone else's program there's not much you can do
about it.  With a lot of programs it doesn't matter but with some
it matters a lot and you're stuck with it.

If you're writing your own program, 640x200 mode (mode 6) is closer
to having square pixels on the LX, where 320x200 is closer on the
PC.  Neither one really has square pixels.  That didn't come along
till VGA.

Nearly everything graphical I've done on the LX has been with
640x200 graphics for just that reasons.  Unless I need the colors
(shades of gray).

Barry

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:03:18 -0400
Reply-To:     Edward Woodward 
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From:         Edward Woodward 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was  New Wrinkle on the Nigeria
              $$$ Hoax
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Eduardo,

I just rec'd this myself.  Thanks for the idea.  I shall spam him back.

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I know there's alot of Libretto and PC110 owners on this list. If your
looking for a nice case this is one. Plenty of room for a libretto or
PC110 plus adapter and cards. I ws using a targus hwever it is a
little too small for the libretto and cards and there is no room for
adapter and cables. Might be pretty good for the 200LX too if you
carry alot of stuff with it. I jst bght 1 and it is prty cl.

On sale right now.

http://www.pda-concepts.com/

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I like the email name you adopted on Excite ... I wish you at least 4-6
of them ...

At 8/9/02-01:46 PM, cojonesdetoro wrote:
>Here's a copy of an email I sent to our Nigerian friends. Whenever I get a
>Nigerian Hoax letter I respond in hopes of at least wasting their time. I
>think everyone should do this so as to help drown out the truly gullible
>in a sea of noise.

Probably not much of a waste of time for them, but a groundswell of
millions might get their attention, and get their asses kicked out by the
pertinent ISP. So it is worthwhile probably. Just for god's sake, nobody
sends them any money, huh? 

>Although..  there's a lot to be said for letting social Darwinism run it's
>course.

ROFL...

>------------------------------[ mail response to Nigerian ]
>
>I tried calling but the first number was disconnected. The second number
>connected me with a very angry man who used abusive language and insulted
>me. He made accusations about my gender and sexual preferences. It was
>very disconcerting.

Add maybe that he also made rude comments about how my parents earned a
living 

>These numbers do not look like regular phone numbers. Is there some
>special way to dial these phone numbers? I'm very interested in exploring
>your financial transaction but it seems to be difficult to coordinate. My
>phone number is here:
>
>1-900-773-2020 Ext. 1023

Wonderful. We need to find another scammer who uses the phone, and connect
the two for additional "social Darwinism" effects.

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4 received here...

Kevin


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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Nigeria


At 8/9/02-10:46 AM, you wrote:
>Avi
>
>I had never rec'd one of these Nigeria hoax letters.  Only heard of them.
>  Funny how just after so much talk on the list I got one.  Anyone else
>hear from our friend Mr Sly?

Got two from Sly Oliver!

Avi

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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:29 PM
> Subject: non-widescreen 320x200 display
>
>
> > Hello there...
> >
> > does anyone know if (and how) I can run programs which require
> 320x200
> > resolution in 320x200 resolution? Normally these are run in a
> widescreen
> > mode where every pixel takes 2 horizontal pixels. This way things
> look
> > extremely stretched :) And I think it is *theoretically*
> possible, but how
> > about *practically* possible. I did not find anything about that
> in the
> > manual but I might have overlooked, because i've hardly looked in
> it ('cuz
> > this thing is sooooo ez to operate :D).
>
> Actually the way it works with a pixel in 320x200 mode being twice
> as wide as the pixel in 640x200 mode, is the way it works on any
> PC.  The difference is the LX screen is wider and not as tall so
> everything is automatically out of proportion.  It's not a
> resolution problem.  It's the shape of the screen.

Yep. U're absoluteley right on that :) but I was hoping there was some tool
(either from hp or some clever hp-hacker :D) to fix it. I have the same
thing with my laptop (even worse) it has an 800x600 display (it's almost as
old as my friendly compagnion, mister hp700lx, which explains the poor
resolution) and when I run it in 640x480, some pixels get enlarged, some
not. You don't know how happy I was to find some strange driver which fixed
something and make it use 640x480 pixels...! Makes the image smaller off
course, but it looks sooo much better :D. But it was some vesa kinda thing
which won't work on a HP palmtop :(.


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John,

> Hmm...  Too bad that one can't get the "FS:" posts in real time and
> everything else in digest form. :-/

.... or have the List processor retain the "FS:" until the Digest gets
compiled and then send both the "FS:" and the Digest at the same time.

As the digest is sent in the middle of the night in the USA, the European
HPLX subscribers would for once have an advantage.

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At 8/9/02-01:46 PM, John "Mr. Fine Culture" Musielewicz excoriated Fred as
follows:
> >>> Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy stuff from
> >>> them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If they change
> >>> them they will be less attractive as a distributer since their prices
> are >>> rather high.
> >>
> >> Hey, John, can't bring yourself to even spell LIBERAL (gd&r)
>
>Hey Fred, do you ever get laid? But even though you don't you spell
>properly right? :)

You also misspelled distributor. I for one don't care if Fred gets laid,
why are you?

> >> Fred (who is way behind in messages due to Vertigo attack!)
>
>John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer school
>but was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has also
>discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling are
>usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
>supervisers but not much else. )

Avi - who wishes John would leave behind the interest in Fred's sex life,
and instead stick to what he is really good at - creative ideas about
extending the usefulness of the palmtop, Minix, PCMCIA (hey, how about
figuring out how to break up a PCMCIA storage into multiple drives?)
Really, John, and I am not being sarcastic, I mean it: You have such ana
amazing talent for software, hardware and so on. Show that excellent side
of yours. (I am sure I'll get picked on that I even write to you, but that
is ok, I really think you have significant talent when it comes to the
palmtop ideas.)

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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display


> Yep. U're absoluteley right on that :) but I was hoping there was
some tool
> (either from hp or some clever hp-hacker :D) to fix it. I have
the same
> thing with my laptop (even worse) it has an 800x600 display (it's
almost as
> old as my friendly compagnion, mister hp700lx, which explains the
poor
> resolution) and when I run it in 640x480, some pixels get
enlarged, some
> not. You don't know how happy I was to find some strange driver
which fixed
> something and make it use 640x480 pixels...! Makes the image
smaller off
> course, but it looks sooo much better :D. But it was some vesa
kinda thing
> which won't work on a HP palmtop :(.

Actually, unless you have something unusual, that's not a driver.
The way the graphics work in laptops gives you 640x480 pixels
usually in the center of an 800x600 screen.  But most of them have
a function in their BIOS to stretch that out to 800x600.  Having
that on is sometimes the default, sometimes not.  Depends on the
laptop.  But I've never used a laptop where that wasn't optional.
It could be turned on or off in the setup or by a program.

Stretching works better on some systems than others.  I guess it
depends on how well it's coded.  I haven't tried using it with
anything animated so I don't know how well that works out.

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Still taking offers. Here's the scoop. I have recieved a very fair
offer. To be fair to everyone since this is a lot of money- if no one
beats the offer by 11:59pm Tuesday Central Time it will be sold to
him. If he changes his mind the unit will probably be sold locally. So
no use waiting for it to go to Ebay and trying to get a deal:).=20

If your looking for a backlit 200LX you might as well jump because I
doubt your ever going to see one again. I won't be selling my 2 meg
ever and I've never seen one on Ebay. BTW the backlight is about 1
years old has been used very little and the EL panel was sealed before
I put it in. So it should have a life expenticy of 5-10 more years or
so if used normally like the LX is used about an hour a day which is
normal for an EL panel. However since the transflective polarizer is
already installed replacing the EL panel is a simple matter of pulling
out the old one and replacing with new.=20

I will not remove either the backlite and/or the charging mod and sell
for a lower price. If you want either you will have to buy it and do
it yourself.

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Hi friends,

is it possible to configure the XY graph in Lotus, so that data points
are connected with a line even if the data values are not continuously
entered in the list?

For example:

A      B
Time1  5
Time2  7
Time3
Time4  8


I would like to get three points in the graph, all connected by lines.
But I get three points, 5 and 7 are connected, but not 7 to 8.

I don't want to interpolate the missing value in the list! The field
should be left empty.

Thanks
daniel


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Here's a fun one about this:
http://www.savannahsays.com/kizombe.htm

Whenever I get those messages I ask them to fax all their
information to 202-406-5031 (Secret Service in WA, DC) and my
"representatives" will handle it.  No one has ever done it, as
far as I know.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:28:18 +0200
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels" 
> To: "Barry" ; 
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display
>
>
> > Yep. U're absoluteley right on that :) but I was hoping there was
> some tool
> > (either from hp or some clever hp-hacker :D) to fix it. I have
> the same
> > thing with my laptop (even worse) it has an 800x600 display (it's
> almost as
> > old as my friendly compagnion, mister hp700lx, which explains the
> poor
> > resolution) and when I run it in 640x480, some pixels get
> enlarged, some
> > not. You don't know how happy I was to find some strange driver
> which fixed
> > something and make it use 640x480 pixels...! Makes the image
> smaller off
> > course, but it looks sooo much better :D. But it was some vesa
> kinda thing
> > which won't work on a HP palmtop :(.
>
> Actually, unless you have something unusual, that's not a driver.
> The way the graphics work in laptops gives you 640x480 pixels
> usually in the center of an 800x600 screen.  But most of them have
> a function in their BIOS to stretch that out to 800x600.  Having
> that on is sometimes the default, sometimes not.  Depends on the
> laptop.  But I've never used a laptop where that wasn't optional.
> It could be turned on or off in the setup or by a program.
>
> Stretching works better on some systems than others.  I guess it
> depends on how well it's coded.  I haven't tried using it with
> anything animated so I don't know how well that works out.
>
> Barry
>
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Hi Barry,

Too bad, my laptop just does not have a function to turn that stretching
off. Or at least, it is not mentioned anywhere, I've searched a lot for it.
And the software I used to archive that, might not have been a driver indeed
but it was some software which did a whole lot of nice peeks and pokes and
fiddling with refresh rates. I found it out by accident. I might have it
some where on a cd-rom. If you want, I can try to find it. Btw my laptop is
a compaq presario 1220.
Oh and the stretching is actually coded _very bad_. It does not work with
'half' pixel, what's the name? Anyway on a usual flatscreen (laptop or not)
when you use a lower resolution, it stretches to the whole screen, but if
every pixel takes exactly one pixel, there would be a whole lot of unused
pixels (can you still follow me) and the value of the black pixels will be
calculated from the surrounding pixels. Or at least it's something like
that. But the compaq just makes some pixels double size, and some not. Like
you use MSPAINT to enlarge a picture actually.

hmm okay, this is going to be _very_ offtopic but interesting nonetheless


thanx for your comments!


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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:07:07 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display

> Too bad, my laptop just does not have a function to turn that
stretching
> off. Or at least, it is not mentioned anywhere, I've searched a
lot for it.
> And the software I used to archive that, might not have been a
driver indeed
> but it was some software which did a whole lot of nice peeks and
pokes and
> fiddling with refresh rates. I found it out by accident. I might
have it
> some where on a cd-rom. If you want, I can try to find it. Btw my
laptop is
> a compaq presario 1220.
> Oh and the stretching is actually coded _very bad_. It does not
work with
> 'half' pixel, what's the name? Anyway on a usual flatscreen
(laptop or not)
> when you use a lower resolution, it stretches to the whole
screen, but if
> every pixel takes exactly one pixel, there would be a whole lot
of unused
> pixels (can you still follow me) and the value of the black
pixels will be
> calculated from the surrounding pixels. Or at least it's
something like
> that. But the compaq just makes some pixels double size, and some
not. Like
> you use MSPAINT to enlarge a picture actually.

I'm not sure but I think the technique that's used for the
stretching is to re-create the picture in the new size, using color
averaging in kind of the same way it's used in anti-aliasing.  But
I'm really just guessing.

This can be done pretty well.  With Corel Draw I can adjust the
size of a picture in real time as I move the mouse and it usually
looks real good the whole time.  When my laptop BIOS is stretching
it doesn't do it nearly as well but it's ok.  I guess some aren't.
I do know my Thinkpad does a better job of this than my Compac
Aero.  But they're both ok for normal use.  But I usually try to
avoid it and keep the screen in the correct mode unless I have a
good reason to do otherwise.

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Just so you don't panic ;-)

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Have you considered an omnibook 600c? It's dirt cheep and will boot from =
a Sandisk card. I have one that I paid $50 for. It's not nearly as small =
as the PC110 but is reasonable. It has a 486/75 and takes 16MB max. It =
also gets pretty good battery life when running from flash. I barely use =
mine but probably won't get rid of it. It's not worth my time to sell =
something on ebay for which I get < $100 unless it's something I really, =
really don't want. The 600C may come in handy some day.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> John Musielewicz
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:03 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110
>=20
>=20
> Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and color
> screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person can pick the
> OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the internal flash with
> multi-tasking and using the connectivity pack. I can get a 28 meg
> PC110 for about 400 I think which would be plenty of ram for running

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From:         Eduardo Seudonimo 
Subject:      FLUFF: Assalamu alaikkum
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Please, tell me more. Is this legal? I recently inhereted some money but =
am at a loss on investment opportunities. The stock market frightens me.        =
=20

> ibrahim hassan11
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:43 PM
> To: hassan11.ibrahim@caramail.com
> Subject: Assalamu alaikkum
>=20
>=20
> ASSYLUM CAMP ABIDJAN
> From: HASSAN/AMINA
>=20
> 225 05 95 24 34
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Assalamu alaikkum=20
>=20
>=20
> CONFIDENTIAL
>=20
> Dear One,=20
> =09
>=20
> I am HASSAN IBRAHIM the only son of late former
> Director of finance,IBRAHIM IDRIS
> Sierra-Leone diamond and mining corporation.
> I must confess my agitation is real, and my words is
> my bond, in this proposal. My late father
> diverted this fund acquired from the over
> influencing of price of sales/purchasing of raw
> materials., now he has

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He was interested in boot from flash cards which the libs and fiva's =
don't do. The libs do have an easily accessible HD that can be cold =
swapped. You can get sandisk solid state flash disks that are in 9.5mm =
format that will work.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Kerwin Robertson
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: Conics.net Auction service
>=20
>=20
> don't forget the toshiba libretto series,
> the fiva's are a bit like rocking horse poo,
> the libbys are plentiful,
> I used to run an overclocked 50ct, good little machine, very well =
built.
> Just thinking back to the stuff I have owned at one point or another,
>=20
> psion organizer lz64
> psion series 3
> psion series 5
> palm 3x
> palm 3c
> nokia 9110i
> apple newton 2100
> philips velo
> casio em500
> ipaq 3650
> hp 568
> ipaq 3850
> toshiba libretto 50ct
> sony clie 760
> sony C1XD picturebook
> onhand pda watch
> hp 200lx
>=20
> my current set up includes
>=20
> hp200lx
> hp568 pocket pc
> ibm 600x laptop
>=20
> please note that the above list is not in any order of date or =
preference!
>=20
> regards,
>=20
> Kerwin Robertson
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota 
> To: 
> Sent: 09 August 2002 3:11 PM
> Subject: Conics.net Auction service
>=20
>=20
> Hi John,
>=20
> If you are interested in the IBM PC 110 you should
> also take a look at the Casio Fiva 101/102/103. This
> Casio is about the same size as a PC110 (maybe
> slightly larger) and is a much more recent computer.
> It weighs only 1.82lb (830 grams), dimensions 210mm
> (L) x 132mm (W) x 25.4mm (H)
> Its minimum specs(model 101) include a 200mhz
> processor (built by Cyrix) 32 Mb RAM and a 3,2Gb HD.
> I think that new models use the Transmeta Crusoe
> processor.
> Find more about it here:
>=20
> http://www.amherst.co.uk/casio-fiva.htm
>=20
> http://www.fixup.net/tips/fiva/Casio%20Fiva.htm
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damn', dude! Take it easy. I think the guy was kidding around. At least =
give him the benefit of a doubt. The guy had vertigo fer crissakes. =
sounds to me like you're the one not gettin' laid.=20

"when the only tool one has is a hammer, everything gets treated like a =
nail"=20

You need some screwdrivers and maybe socket set or somethin'. Take a =
look in the archives for a guy named 'Al Chin'. Makes for some fun =
reading.

Flame on if you will. I got a thick hide and probably won't give a crap. =
I do get a little miffed when I see other people attacked for no good =
reason, tho.

l8r

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> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info and
> interest,survey
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000, you wrote:
>=20
> >> Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy=20
> stuff from
> >> them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If=20
> they change them
> >> they will be less attractive as a distributer since their=20
> prices are rather
> >> high.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> >Hey, John, can't bring yourself to even spell LIBERAL (gd&r)
>=20
> Hey Fred, do you ever get laid? But even though you don't you spell
> properly right? :)
>=20
> >
> >Fred (who is way behind in messages due to Vertigo attack!)
>=20
> John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer school but
> was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has also
> discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling are
> usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
> supervisers but not much else. )
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Al,

I _PAY_ for services that are less thoughtfull and proactive(Worldcom =
T1, yikes!). Thanks for the 'heads up'. You're a swell guy.

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> Kind
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:01 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: ADMIN: ListServ Down
>=20
>=20
> Just so you don't panic ;-)
>=20
> On Sunday, August 11th, beginning at 6:30 AM(EST) and

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:50:42 +0200
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PeterSwinbank@aol.com wrote:
> Where would my " (8U " appear for example in your " 
>  " ?
> Is the "initialization sequence" set up with the Lotus program?

Yes of course, that is the menu-submenu tree to get to it. As I said,
the names of the entries will be a bit different in non-german machines
but the structure will be the same.

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Eduardo Seudsnimo wrote:
> to help drown out the truly gullible in a sea of noise.
> Although..  there's a lot to be said for letting social
> Darwinism run it's course.

As I said before, those people are not gullible but viciously criminal
and want to share the spoils to the cost of the most needy. The only
help I'm prepared to give them is help get them punished. The gullible
ones are those wasting police time by bringing them all those emails -
perhaps stupid but honest and honourable and thus to be praised. What
you do OTOH comes near to aiding and abetting IMHO.

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Barry wrote:
> It's time that we nerdy, obsessive, anal people who worry about
> spelling defend ourselves against the semi-literate rabble.  (I
> wonder if I can get away with that :)

There is one person in this group, with whom I have to agree (nearly)
completely (nearly) all the time. BTW, the bit I quoted rather than the
polite and well put rest is the one coming nearest to what I might have
written. And while there are quite a lot of otherwise bright and gifted
people who find spelling difficult, in the majority of cases it is
rather a safe bet seeing something written and spelt atrociously that
the content is utter rubbish too.
The opposite can be true too. In sci.energy there is one nutcase who
posts in such good English that I frequently read half his his post
before noticing what I'm wasting my time with - he just circumvents my
poo detector.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:43:49 +0200
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> so that data points
> are connected with a line even if the data values are not
> continuously entered in the list?

The only way I could find would make it bigger and very much slower. You
will have to make an additional column for entries to draw with "if no
entry take the one above" and fill the times column with "if no data
entry take last time else current time" and plut those.
Repeat warning: columns filled with ifs will slow everything down to
near standstill. On bigger tables ionly changed at the bottom you nead
to copy the values over the formulae in the finished top part:
 and source equal to destiny.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:16:51 +0200
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Sat, 10.08.02 11:01 AM +0200

Hi friends,
(BCC: to M. Salzburger)

a fellow palmtopper contacted me a few days ago, because he has created
a helvetica font containing the Euro sign on 8-bit-ASCII number 213.

Now he looks for a solution to make access to the Euro sign easy.
Currently he uses a system macro calling menu-alt-213 when pressing
Fn-F7, and he uses key200.com to map Fn-E to Fn-F7. However, this is
clumsy and works only under system manager.

Does anyone know of a simple solution for plain DOS, i.e. without a
system macro?

Thanks
daniel

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Hi!

I am personally using the Andrew (Andrew 8, actually that even corrected =
the size of "=E6" and as the later Andrews fonts handles the moon =
phases) fonts that creates the Euro sign with only fn+e.

I f he does not want to switch to Andrews, maybe the Euro sign solution =
could be inspired from that.

Hans Jacob

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Sat, 10.08.02 11:01 AM +0200

Hi friends,
(BCC: to M. Salzburger)

a fellow palmtopper contacted me a few days ago, because he has created
a helvetica font containing the Euro sign on 8-bit-ASCII number 213.

Now he looks for a solution to make access to the Euro sign easy.
Currently he uses a system macro calling menu-alt-213 when pressing
Fn-F7, and he uses key200.com to map Fn-E to Fn-F7. However, this is
clumsy and works only under system manager.

Does anyone know of a simple solution for plain DOS, i.e. without a
system macro?

Thanks
daniel

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"Getz" wrote:
>Gateway Accessory Store has the Toshiba 2GB PC
>Card drive for $112.95 - $100 rebate = $12.95.
>Free shipping using a code.
I have one of these babies and that is a fantastic
price for a very nice piece of hardware. It's quite
a good price even without the rebate.
Won't run in the LX though - write current is 500mA.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:29:54 +0200
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pretty cool, but us/cannada only... :(

[n]
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Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
Gateway Accessory Store has the Toshiba 2GB PC Card drive for $112.95 - $100
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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500
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On August 08, 2002 11:03 AM, John Musielewicz wrote:

> Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and
> color screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person
> can pick the OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the
> internal flash with multi-tasking and using the connectivity
> pack. I can get a 28 meg PC110 for about 400 I think which
> would be plenty of ram for running

I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I
want, with one exception.  I regularly travel to review research
protocols with physicians.  This means PowerPoint (and carrying a
laptop, which I hate).

I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop, and note that MS
has a PowerPoint viewer that will run on a 486.  I'm considering
trying to purchase a PC110, but so far haven't been able to locate
one.  I've looked on e-Bay without success, but I only started
recently.

Here are a few questions for my esteemed list-colleagues:

 *where do I find a PC110 for purchase?
 *would a Libretto 70 be a better choice?
 *what are reasonable prices for each of these?
 *is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the 200LX?
  (I realize the LX display wouldn't work, but could the video
   signal be sent to an external monitor via the serial port?)

Thanks for your thoughts on these questions!

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

>
>I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I=
 want,
>with one exception. =A0I regularly travel to review research=
 protocols
>with physicians. =A0This means PowerPoint (and carrying a laptop,
>which I hate).
>
>I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop,


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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:33:30 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Seudonimo" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: FLUFF: Assalamu alaikkum


> Please, tell me more. Is this legal? I recently inhereted some
money
> but am at a loss on investment opportunities. The stock market
frightens me.

I think the best place to put your money now is in the Arizona
portion of the Everglades.  Arizona swampland is selling like
hotcakes and there's not much left.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:37:20 -0700
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

>I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I=
 want,
>with one exception. =A0I regularly travel to review research=
 protocols
>with physicians. =A0This means PowerPoint (and carrying a laptop,
>which I hate).
>
>I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop,

Powerpoint on PocketPC and PalmOS machines











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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

>*is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the=
 200LX?

Dig up a copy of the old DrawPerfect it can do presentations and=
 will run on the 200lx.


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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: Charging current increase modification info
andinterest,survey


> The opposite can be true too. In sci.energy there is one nutcase
who
> posts in such good English that I frequently read half his his
post
> before noticing what I'm wasting my time with - he just
circumvents my
> poo detector.

Last year there was a guy in alt.lang.asm for a while that was like
that.  His posts were very lengthy and very literate and they
really seemed intelligent;  the voice of wisdom.

He preached on the "proper" ways to program in assembly and the
proper attitudes for a programmer.  But in each post, as you read,
it became apparent that he knew little or nothing about assembly.
And there wasn't much to indicate he was particularly knowledgeable
about programming at all.

The problem was that his posts were so good that really sharp
programmers tried to dissuade him.  Nobody with any experience
thought that he knew anything.  They didn't argue his points.  But
that he should find out what terms mean.

He held his own for quite a while.  I suspect he might have been
one of the most intelligent posters on the newsgroup, all in all.
:)

Barry

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:50:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:16 AM
Subject: Euro sign


> a fellow palmtopper contacted me a few days ago, because he has
created
> a helvetica font containing the Euro sign on 8-bit-ASCII number
213.
>
> Now he looks for a solution to make access to the Euro sign easy.
> Currently he uses a system macro calling menu-alt-213 when
pressing
> Fn-F7, and he uses key200.com to map Fn-E to Fn-F7. However, this
is
> clumsy and works only under system manager.
>
> Does anyone know of a simple solution for plain DOS, i.e. without
a
> system macro?

I think the first place I'd look is in one of the more
sophisticated keyboard mapping programs like SuperKey or one of the
freeware things like Dkey or Alias.

Also, if he's willing to use ANSI.sys he can remap function keys in
Dos.  I'm not sure if that'll affect System manger.

The problem with ANSI.sys is that there are ASCII bombs in the form
of text files that can contain hidden characters that remap, for
example, ENTER to mean format c: when typed.  But I doubt that
you'll run into those these days.  I'm sure most of those have been
weeded out by now.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:03:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Theodore Heise" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110 (fwd)


> Here are a few questions for my esteemed list-colleagues:
>
>  *would a Libretto 70 be a better choice?

I know the PC 110 only gets about an hour from a battery charge,
and there are enhanced batteries for the Libreto that get a few
hours.  Thats a big difference.

>  *is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the
200LX?
>   (I realize the LX display wouldn't work, but could the video
>    signal be sent to an external monitor via the serial port?)

If there's an external monitor available at a location, chances are
there's a laptop around, too.  If so, all you really need is a
flash card with the presentation and a setup file for the player.

Also I think I saw somewhere that there's a way to turn either
Powerpoint or one of it's competitors presentations into EXEs for
just that purpose.

As for the 200lx, sound would be out of the question and so would
color and I suspect a lot of the graphical stuff would need more
horsepower.

If you really want to use the 200lx for this I think creating 200lx
presentations would be feasable.  I don't know of a program for
this but I'd be a little surprised if something isn't available.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:11:18 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Theodore Heise" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110 (fwd)

I just looked at PalmGear HQ, a Palm software online store, and
they have a number of presentation packages for the palm and also
one (and maybe 2 but the description wasn't explicit) packages that
convert Powerpoint presentations to a format you can view on the
Palm with it's viewer.

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I have both the Omnibook 600C and CT. Battery life is poor I have
found even when running from a flash card and it is way too big. Plus
its limited in the bios to a 512 meg card.=20

John

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:52:55 -0400, you wrote:

>Have you considered an omnibook 600c? It's dirt cheep and will boot from=
 a Sandisk card. I have one that I paid $50 for. It's not nearly as small=
 as the PC110 but is reasonable. It has a 486/75 and takes 16MB max. It =
also gets pretty good battery life when running from flash. I barely use =
mine but probably won't get rid of it. It's not worth my time to sell =
something on ebay for which I get < $100 unless it's something I really, =
really don't want. The 600C may come in handy some day.
>
>
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>> John Musielewicz
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:03 AM
>> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>> Subject: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110
>>=20
>>=20
>> Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and color
>> screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person can pick the
>> OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the internal flash with
>> multi-tasking and using the connectivity pack. I can get a 28 meg
>> PC110 for about 400 I think which would be plenty of ram for running
>
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Absolutely right. One nice thing about using flash is it is speedy
with absiolutely no noise. Plus it has great shock resistance. I've
had too many hard drives damaged when a computer is dropped. One other
point is using a IDE to PC card converter a person can replace a 2.5
inch hard drive with a flash card. Magic Ram (www.magicram.com) sells
one.

John

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:03:18 -0400, you wrote:

>He was interested in boot from flash cards which the libs and fiva's =
don't do. The libs do have an easily accessible HD that can be cold =
swapped. You can get sandisk solid state flash disks that are in 9.5mm =
format that will work.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
>> Kerwin Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:33 AM
>> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>> Subject: Re: Conics.net Auction service
>>=20
>>=20
>> don't forget the toshiba libretto series,
>> the fiva's are a bit like rocking horse poo,
>> the libbys are plentiful,
>> I used to run an overclocked 50ct, good little machine, very well =
built.
>> Just thinking back to the stuff I have owned at one point or another,
>>=20
>> psion organizer lz64
>> psion series 3
>> psion series 5
>> palm 3x
>> palm 3c
>> nokia 9110i
>> apple newton 2100
>> philips velo
>> casio em500
>> ipaq 3650
>> hp 568
>> ipaq 3850
>> toshiba libretto 50ct
>> sony clie 760
>> sony C1XD picturebook
>> onhand pda watch
>> hp 200lx
>>=20
>> my current set up includes
>>=20
>> hp200lx
>> hp568 pocket pc
>> ibm 600x laptop
>>=20
>> please note that the above list is not in any order of date or =
preference!
>>=20
>> regards,
>>=20
>> Kerwin Robertson
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Inigo M.de Azagra y de Miota 
>> To: 
>> Sent: 09 August 2002 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Conics.net Auction service
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi John,
>>=20
>> If you are interested in the IBM PC 110 you should
>> also take a look at the Casio Fiva 101/102/103. This
>> Casio is about the same size as a PC110 (maybe
>> slightly larger) and is a much more recent computer.
>> It weighs only 1.82lb (830 grams), dimensions 210mm
>> (L) x 132mm (W) x 25.4mm (H)
>> Its minimum specs(model 101) include a 200mhz
>> processor (built by Cyrix) 32 Mb RAM and a 3,2Gb HD.
>> I think that new models use the Transmeta Crusoe
>> processor.
>> Find more about it here:
>>=20
>> http://www.amherst.co.uk/casio-fiva.htm
>>=20
>> http://www.fixup.net/tips/fiva/Casio%20Fiva.htm
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Inigo
>>=20
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, you wrote:

>
>I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I
>want, with one exception.  I regularly travel to review research
>protocols with physicians.  This means PowerPoint (and carrying a
>laptop, which I hate).

Heh- try looking up a phone number or address in a cab at night with
an irrate cab driver. Got a flashlight? Glad I have backlighting. It
protects those cab drivers very well.

>
>I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop, and note that MS
>has a PowerPoint viewer that will run on a 486.  I'm considering
>trying to purchase a PC110, but so far haven't been able to locate
>one.  I've looked on e-Bay without success, but I only started
>recently.

Lots of luck on ebay.

>
>Here are a few questions for my esteemed list-colleagues:
>
> *where do I find a PC110 for purchase?

Japan

> *would a Libretto 70 be a better choice?

No

> *what are reasonable prices for each of these?

700 for th 110
350 for the 70

> *is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the 200LX?
>  (I realize the LX display wouldn't work, but could the video
>   signal be sent to an external monitor via the serial port?)
>
>Thanks for your thoughts on these questions!

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Barry wrote:
> Also, if he's willing to use ANSI.sys he can remap function keys in
> Dos.  I'm not sure if that'll affect System manger.

That reminds me (and sorry, this is not LX but at least DOS):
German keyboards have a comma in the numeric pad instead of a dot. This
is easily rectified for windows, but I have not so far managed it for
DOS. Nothing under ANSI.SYS did it and some TSRs recommended were much
too big and powerful for my liking. Does anybody here have a neat and
small solution?

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:19:47 +0200
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Hello everybody on this list...

I'm working on a backup utility for the HP. It's based on Daniels backup
strategy (find it at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backuplx/) which seems to
be a pretty good idea. I am combining this in an .exe, which will also
included restore function for easy restore operations. I think (and hope
:) ) you are interested in this and will help me with little advice...
    This restore function will be used everytime when the autoexec.bat is
run (for you have to place it in there :) ) and thus everytime the palmtop
has been rebooted. The program will have to check wether the c-drive has
been initialized or not. For this, I know two ways of doing that.
    First, you can do it the way Daniel does this, by checking for the
existence of a certain file (spd31.exe, in his example).
    The second is, to make an index of the c-drive and check the number of
files and how many space they use (which is, for my 700lx, 15 files and
43539 bytes, this is likely the same for a 200lx, but I don't know for a
100lx).
    I think the 2nd way to be slightly better (because it will not trigger
if just the file is missing, and because it is some strange coincidence if
you have 15 files of the same size, but this however might be true), were it
not that this is pretty slow (takes a few seconds) so every time you boot
the HP you'll have to wait while the c-drive is indexed. But how much do you
reboot your HP anyway? So here's my question:
    Which way would you prefer? Or do you know another (better) way to check
if the c-drive is re-initialized or not?

If you are interested, here is a list with features I will be using:
    W automated backup (with use of APPT)
    W 2 backups stored, 1 new, 1 old (like daniel's idea)
    W manual backup (creates a seperate backup)
    W automatic detection of trouble (eg, your drive has been wiped off)
    W easy restore function, which will let you choose from available
backups
    W will set the date to the date of the most recent backup (or +1 day)
(optionally)

if you think of more things, let me know, i'll might put them in.



Thank you in advance for your advice,


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Oh and you will be able to enter the restore function by pressing the [ESC]
key during startup (given the program has been properly installed, of
course). This will force the program to go into restore function during
startup. You can also do it by running 'backup r', it's just some extra
feature I forgot to mention :)

[n]
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Subject: HP Backup Utility


> Hello everybody on this list...
>
> I'm working on a backup utility for the HP. It's based on Daniels backup
> strategy (find it at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backuplx/) which seems
to
> be a pretty good idea. I am combining this in an .exe, which will also
> included restore function for easy restore operations. I think (and hope
> :) ) you are interested in this and will help me with little advice...
>     This restore function will be used everytime when the autoexec.bat is
> run (for you have to place it in there :) ) and thus everytime the palmtop
> has been rebooted. The program will have to check wether the c-drive has
> been initialized or not. For this, I know two ways of doing that.
>     First, you can do it the way Daniel does this, by checking for the
> existence of a certain file (spd31.exe, in his example).
>     The second is, to make an index of the c-drive and check the number of
> files and how many space they use (which is, for my 700lx, 15 files and
> 43539 bytes, this is likely the same for a 200lx, but I don't know for a
> 100lx).
>     I think the 2nd way to be slightly better (because it will not trigger
> if just the file is missing, and because it is some strange coincidence if
> you have 15 files of the same size, but this however might be true), were
it
> not that this is pretty slow (takes a few seconds) so every time you boot
> the HP you'll have to wait while the c-drive is indexed. But how much do
you
> reboot your HP anyway? So here's my question:
>     Which way would you prefer? Or do you know another (better) way to
check
> if the c-drive is re-initialized or not?
>
> If you are interested, here is a list with features I will be using:
>     W automated backup (with use of APPT)
>     W 2 backups stored, 1 new, 1 old (like daniel's idea)
>     W manual backup (creates a seperate backup)
>     W automatic detection of trouble (eg, your drive has been wiped off)
>     W easy restore function, which will let you choose from available
> backups
>     W will set the date to the date of the most recent backup (or +1 day)
> (optionally)
>
> if you think of more things, let me know, i'll might put them in.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for your advice,
>
>
> Niels
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Folks, i just returned from holidays  :) ... and found another 11 Nigerian
scam messages. They know i am a doctor from the palmtoppaper website. They
also mysteriously intercepted one of my messages to a friend in Australia
because his address is used as the sender (how they manage to do that is
beyond my comprehension) They must love doctors (money-laundering urges ?!?)
Anyway, after the first 100 or so i too began collecting them, and now i
have 283 in total - all from different sources in Africa (so it seems)
The reason for collecting them? I want to observe the change in the
psychology over the years. My favorite one is the South African who killed a
rich gold mine owner and wants to clean his soul. So God Allmighty appeared
to him threatening death if he doesn't give the loot to charity. God also
instructed him to send it to a church overseas.
Anyone has Falwell as friend and wants to relieve the poor South African's
aching soul?

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hi Axel,

On 10 Aug 2002 at 22:11, Axel Berger wrote:

> That reminds me (and sorry, this is not LX but at least DOS):
> German keyboards have a comma in the numeric pad instead of a dot.
> This is easily rectified for windows, but I have not so far managed it
> for DOS. Nothing under ANSI.SYS did it and some TSRs recommended were
> much too big and powerful for my liking. Does anybody here have a neat
> and small solution?

I use kdrive for dos for it. (c) by Martin Austermeier. It is used
instead of keyboard.sys and uses less space than the original
keyboard driver afaik.

Werner

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I use bigfont.pcx for read.exe, but there is one letter missing which
is frequent in German texts, the "=DF" or sharp s.
Does anybody know how to add this letter, or is there already a
solution ready from the shelf?

cheers,
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 01h47m ago, on 11 Aug, 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:=09=09

> I use bigfont.pcx for read.exe, but there is one letter
> missing which is frequent in German texts, the "=DF"

Werner you can make a "=DF" show as "s" by editing BIGFONT.FNT.
I stole the line for "s" and added this:
=DF 302 1 318 32

I don't know where the BIGFONT.PCX came from - or how easy it
would be to add a real "=DF" to it.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:13:37 +0200
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Hi Niels

10h39m ago Niels wrote:

> be a pretty good idea. I am combining this in an .exe, which will also
> included restore function for easy restore operations. I think (and =
hope
> :) ) you are interested in this and will help me with little advice...

Sounds good! I'm eager to see the result.

>     First, you can do it the way Daniel does this, by checking for the
> existence of a certain file (spd31.exe, in his example).
>     The second is, to make an index of the c-drive and check the number =
of
> files and how many space they use (which is, for my 700lx, 15 files and
> 43539 bytes, this is likely the same for a 200lx, but I don't know for =
a
> 100lx).

...and consider that the file sizes may (I don't know) differ on
palmtops with different languages. So this should either be
user-configurable, or you had to collect the info from users of all
different languages, hope that they are willing to initialize their C
drivers ;-) and then build that inof into your program and let it check
the language of the palmtop it runs on.
Maybe you should check for file _names_ instead of sizes - don't know
if they are equal on all palmtops.

>     W 2 backups stored, 1 new, 1 old (like daniel's idea)

Have you seen that improved version of my backup strategy for 32MB
palmtops? That uses more backups (3) and the most recent backup has
always the same name, not alternating like the 2-backup-way.

GTX
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:56:09 +0200
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Yes this will be included, as with Daniel's original idea

It will still use external programs to do that for I absoluteley don't have
any idea how to do that.

Thanks,


Niels

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> hi Niels,
>
> what I use in addition is a voltage check and dbcheck in my backup
> routine. I do not want to run into battery power problems during
> backup and inadvertently save corrupt database files.
>
> cheers,
> Werner
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Hi Daniel

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Hi Niels

10h39m ago Niels wrote:

> Sounds good! I'm eager to see the result.

(me to :) )

> ...and consider that the file sizes may (I don't know) differ on
> palmtops with different languages. So this should either be
> user-configurable, or you had to collect the info from users of all
> different languages, hope that they are willing to initialize their C
> drivers ;-) and then build that inof into your program and let it check
> the language of the palmtop it runs on.
> Maybe you should check for file _names_ instead of sizes - don't know
> if they are equal on all palmtops.

Hmmm I have thought of checking file names, but if I just don't place
anything on my c-drive but use the internal programs of the hp-lx, like
appointment manager or the phone book, the file names stay the same though
the size does not. I guess it'll be a better idea for the program to just
check the existence of a single file ('be_there.txt' :) )

> >     W 2 backups stored, 1 new, 1 old (like daniel's idea)

> Have you seen that improved version of my backup strategy for 32MB
> palmtops? That uses more backups (3) and the most recent backup has
> always the same name, not alternating like the 2-backup-way.

I have not payed much attention to it. It was a moment I had to leave (my
cuz is the hospital :( he'll be back tomorrow :) ) and it was not really of
interest for I do not (yet?) have the PIM/PE to experiment with...
    My program will be using static file-names as well, it will work alike
this:

check voltage
check databases
backup to temp
old = oldest backup file
new = newest backup file
(check temp on errors, if possible)

if (old and new) then        // if old and new files do exist then
    delete old
    rename new old
    rename temp new
    update logfile
elseif (new)                    // if only a new backup file exists
    rename new old
    rename temp new
    update logfile
elseif (old)                        // if only the old file exists (new file
has been removed for some reason)
    rename temp new
    update logfile
else                                // if no file exists at all
    rename temp new
    update logfile
endif

of couse this can easily be expanded for more files, the principle is quite
simple. However, this will already use alot of space on your flashcard. Say,
you have a 32mb drive, which contents will be 16mb when compressed, you
already need at least 48mb on your flashcard, just for the backup (old, new
and temp). I do not want to delete the new file, and then create the backup,
because then, if something goes wrong, your most recent backup will be lost.


Greetz

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:36:37 +0200
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I have given roboweb a try and i am glad I did.
It clearly is better than to use a web to email server.
But I am having som problems.

I can not view .gif and .jpg images in post/lx roboweb map (i can do this =
with
attached .jpg and .gif via pns200 in my mail box)

I have added rwebfile.bat $f in post.cfg [external] and rwebfile.scr in
my script directory.

When i try the included "Stock chart: DCX Extra" i can manualy view the
file c:\io\www\temp\6.jpg but not while inside post/lx pressing ctrl-X
and rwebfile..bat

rwebfile.SCR starts but it exits back to post/lx right away.
And I dont know why.

And one more thing: I have put ExtProg=3Dextprogs.bat in post.cfg:
ROBOT -p "RWEB1 po"
c:\io\www\robot.exe c:\io\www\robot\abc.scr

The last line is a script that telnets to my Unix account via mu X-box
Interact.
But when I run roboweb/lx that script is also run eaven though I have
not marked the Interact box for visit.

Help -thanks

      /tomas moberg
                       Uppsala

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Hi Avi,

Thanks for the helpful information.  You asked about the
PowerPoint viewert hat would run on a 486.  Here is a bit more
info, and a URL.

Ted


System Requirements

     * A personal computer with a 486 or higher processor
     * Microsoft Windows 95, 98, or 2000 operating system, or Microsoft
       Windows NT Workstation operating system 3.51 (with Service Pack
       5.x or later) or 4.0, or Microsoft Windows ME
     * 7 MB of hard disk space (9 MB free for installation only)
     * VGA or higher-resolution video adapter
     * Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device


http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/Ppview97.aspx

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:11:44 +0200
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Hi

what's that 'light-sleep' mode of the LX I see mentioned sometimes. Isn't it
just ON or OFF? and when it's OFF it's in backup mode (=oopsie) or in some
kinda hybernate mode for it keeps it's memory. Or is that what is called
'light sleep'?

thanx,

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:15:14 +0200
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From:         Daniel Hertrich 
Subject:      Omnigo 100 and CF cards
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Sun, 11.08.02 2:07 PM +0200

Hi friends,

is it just luck or is it a known phenomenon that large (192MB) Sandisk
CF cards work in the Omnigo 100 without any problem, although all docs
and FAQs say that it doesn't work?

Here I can share a 192MB Sandisk CF flawlessly between my 200LX and the
OG100.

With a HP 512kB SRAM card I had problems, though. Formatted in the
OG100 the 200LX complained that it couldn't read the card.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:15:15 +0200
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Subject:      Citizen printer and Word
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Sun, 11.08.02 4:12 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I just can across the URL
http://downseek.com/download/14501.asp

which seems to be a printer driver for Citizen printers for MS Word 6.0
for DOS.
So, if anyone here uses e.g. a Citizen PN 60 pocket printer and Word
6.0 on the palmtop, this may be something for you.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:02:12 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: HP Backup Utility


> Hello everybody on this list...
>
> I'm working on a backup utility for the HP. It's based on Daniels
backup
> strategy (find it at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backuplx/)
which seems to
> be a pretty good idea. I am combining this in an .exe, which will
also
> included restore function for easy restore operations. I think
(and hope
> :) ) you are interested in this and will help me with little
advice...
>     This restore function will be used everytime when the
autoexec.bat is
> run (for you have to place it in there :) ) and thus everytime
the palmtop
> has been rebooted. The program will have to check wether the
c-drive has
> been initialized or not. For this, I know two ways of doing that.
>     First, you can do it the way Daniel does this, by checking
for the
> existence of a certain file (spd31.exe, in his example).
>     The second is, to make an index of the c-drive and check the
number of
> files and how many space they use (which is, for my 700lx, 15
files and
> 43539 bytes, this is likely the same for a 200lx, but I don't
know for a
> 100lx).
>     I think the 2nd way to be slightly better (because it will
not trigger
> if just the file is missing, and because it is some strange
coincidence if
> you have 15 files of the same size, but this however might be
true), were it
> not that this is pretty slow (takes a few seconds) so every time
you boot
> the HP you'll have to wait while the c-drive is indexed. But how
much do you
> reboot your HP anyway? So here's my question:
>     Which way would you prefer? Or do you know another (better)
way to check
> if the c-drive is re-initialized or not?

I reboot a lot but that's not why I'd avoid such a utility.  I want
to be able to make decisions like that.  If I don't, something,
sometime, will go wrong and screw things up for me.  Either one of
those billion to one chances (which, statistically, we all
experience regularly) or because gremlins got in my computer.  Now,
I don't believe in gremlins.  But I'm not willing to bet my 200lx
contents on that.

Why not do all the stuff you do to decide if a backup might be
appropriate, and then pop up a screen explaining what you've found
and stating your conclusion that a restore is in order, and ask for
a yes or no, with no as the default.  That way if the user decides
he was wrong he can always reboot and do it again.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:06:06 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: HP Backup Utility


> Oh and you will be able to enter the restore function by pressing
the [ESC]
> key during startup

That's an eventual guaranteed data loss.  My second would then
contact  your second.  :)

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:07:45 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bugeaud" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax


> Folks, i just returned from holidays  :) ... and found another 11
Nigerian
> scam messages. They know i am a doctor from the palmtoppaper
website. They
> also mysteriously intercepted one of my messages to a friend in
Australia
> because his address is used as the sender (how they manage to do
that is
> beyond my comprehension) They must love doctors (money-laundering
urges ?!?)
> Anyway, after the first 100 or so i too began collecting them,
and now i
> have 283 in total - all from different sources in Africa (so it
seems)
> The reason for collecting them? I want to observe the change in
the
> psychology over the years. My favorite one is the South African
who killed a
> rich gold mine owner and wants to clean his soul. So God
Allmighty appeared
> to him threatening death if he doesn't give the loot to charity.
God also
> instructed him to send it to a church overseas.
> Anyone has Falwell as friend and wants to relieve the poor South
African's
> aching soul?

What makes you think Falwell isn't involved?

Barry

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:14:44 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: light sleep?


> what's that 'light-sleep' mode of the LX I see mentioned
sometimes. Isn't it
> just ON or OFF? and when it's OFF it's in backup mode (=oopsie)
or in some
> kinda hybernate mode for it keeps it's memory. Or is that what is
called
> 'light sleep'?

The LX goes into light sleep mode while it's waiting for a key to
be pressed.  That way it uses a lot less current when it's not
actually doing anything.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:28:23 +0200
Reply-To:     Niels 
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If you can supply me with the commands I have to execute to do that, I think
it'll be possible to do that. But it might even work after the backup has
been restored because the driver will be restored and next time called from
the autoexec.bat

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" 
To: "Niels" 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: HP Backup utility


> hi Niels,
>
> On 11 Aug 2002 at 10:56, Niels wrote:
>
> > Yes this will be included, as with Daniel's original idea
> >
> > It will still use external programs to do that for I absoluteley don't
> > have any idea how to do that.
> >
> no problem!
> another question:
> Will it be a problem to do the whole stuff when a 64MB upgraded
> Palmtop crashes? you know, initialising the Ram Disk, installing all
> the techram drivers, change drive names?
>
> cheers,
> Werner
>
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:33:08 +0200
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tnx!

>
> The LX goes into light sleep mode while it's waiting for a key to
> be pressed.  That way it uses a lot less current when it's not
> actually doing anything.
>
> Barry
>
>

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:55:39 +0530
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hello friends

i have a contact in usa who's willing to take the
trouble of buying it, receiving it, and shipping
it outside usa on splitting the rebate 50/50
($50 goes to him $50 benefit goes to buyer)

all costs to ultimate buyers' account :

1. cost of item
2. s/h and air parcel postage charges
    from supplier to him
3. air parcel postage charges from him
    to ultimate buyer
4. any othe ACTUAL cost

the scheme is this from gateway :

buy by paying in full ..
receive the item ..
print out the discount claim form
enclose the original bill/receipt
enclose the original product id from the carton

and post all this to Toshiba

Toshiba will remit the rebate to buyer
within a few days of receiving the application
duly filled in

the item must be purchased within 15th august

and the application must be filed within 30th sept

my contact's terms are therefore :

he will despatch the item to ultimate seller against
full payment of whatever is paid to gateway and
he will remit $50 when received from toshiba

if he doesn't get .. for whatever reasons .. he
doesn't remit .. he loses his $50 too ..

what if he receives AND even then doesn't
remit the $50 ? .. well THAT can't happen ..
i'll know if he received it at all or not .. that's
almost certain ..

i've taken the risk .. its a $50 risk anyway
and the item is worth $112.50 original price
too ! i've bought 5 of them ..

just thought i'll share what i did with all the
nice people here

good to be back.. sorry for the looong msg
(bandwidth and all that) but this is too good
to pass

(as someone already pointed out .. it may
probably not work on the hplx200 !)

obviously my contact is not standing guarantee
for the product's working or not working on
the lx200 !

..pk

pls reply to pksharma@india.com directly
if interested ..




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From: Niels 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive


> pretty cool, but us/cannada only... :(
>
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Getz
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:39 AM
> Subject: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
>
>
> Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
> Gateway Accessory Store has the Toshiba 2GB PC Card drive
for $112.95 - $100
> rebate = $12.95. Free shipping using a code.
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:11:38 -0500
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From:         David Becher 
Subject:      Re: Napster-style spam eliminator (was: Re: Old DOS Softwares)
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Eduardo Seudsnimo writes:
> If they can get a reasonable high hit rate on SPAM, ISPs can use it on their
> mail servers without fear of blocking legitimate mail. This would help LXers.

I have been playing around with sorting incoming mail for PNR and have noticed
the follwoing tidbit: About 80% of the spam I get is not directly addressed
to me. What I mean is that if I read the TO: field of the email, my name is
NOT there. Mail from the HPLX list for example is always addressed to the
hplx list. So how about this idea (maybe for www/lx  - which I dont have):

Set up a list of "good" to addresses, and then read incoming mail in the
following manner - Read the headers, & check the TO list. If the address is
in the "good" list - read the rest of the mail. If not DONT delete it, move
onto the next. Then while reading your mail you can check whether you want to
download the entire message or delete it from the server without downloading it.
Im pretty sure that this would work with IMAP.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:06:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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Subject:      Re: light sleep?
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 10:11 am, Niels wrote:
> Hi
>
> what's that 'light-sleep' mode of the LX I see mentioned
> sometimes. Isn't it just ON or OFF? and when it's OFF
> it's in backup mode (=oopsie) or in some kinda hybernate
> mode for it keeps it's memory. Or is that what is called
> 'light sleep'?

There are three modes (these are not the official names):

1) On (when the LX is doing work).

2) Light Sleep (between key strokes as Barry said)

3) Deep Sleep (when you press the On/Off key or the timeout
occurs after Light Sleep.)

The LX is never off.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:08:44 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
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With most rebates there is a limit of one to a person or
home address. How can this 'contact" obtain rebates for
more than one drive?????????



On Sunday 11 August 2002 08:25 am, pksharma wrote:
> hello friends
>
> i have a contact in usa who's willing to take the
> trouble of buying it, receiving it, and shipping
> it outside usa on splitting the rebate 50/50
> ($50 goes to him $50 benefit goes to buyer)
>
> all costs to ultimate buyers' account :
>
> 1. cost of item
> 2. s/h and air parcel postage charges
>     from supplier to him
> 3. air parcel postage charges from him
>     to ultimate buyer
> 4. any othe ACTUAL cost
>
> the scheme is this from gateway :
>
> buy by paying in full ..
> receive the item ..
> print out the discount claim form
> enclose the original bill/receipt
> enclose the original product id from the carton
>
> and post all this to Toshiba
>
> Toshiba will remit the rebate to buyer
> within a few days of receiving the application
> duly filled in
>
> the item must be purchased within 15th august
>
> and the application must be filed within 30th sept
>
> my contact's terms are therefore :
>
> he will despatch the item to ultimate seller against
> full payment of whatever is paid to gateway and
> he will remit $50 when received from toshiba
>
> if he doesn't get .. for whatever reasons .. he
> doesn't remit .. he loses his $50 too ..
>
> what if he receives AND even then doesn't
> remit the $50 ? .. well THAT can't happen ..
> i'll know if he received it at all or not .. that's
> almost certain ..
>
> i've taken the risk .. its a $50 risk anyway
> and the item is worth $112.50 original price
> too ! i've bought 5 of them ..
>
> just thought i'll share what i did with all the
> nice people here
>
> good to be back.. sorry for the looong msg
> (bandwidth and all that) but this is too good
> to pass
>
> (as someone already pointed out .. it may
> probably not work on the hplx200 !)
>
> obviously my contact is not standing guarantee
> for the product's working or not working on
> the lx200 !
>
> ..pk
>
> pls reply to pksharma@india.com directly
> if interested ..
>
>

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:19:22 +0530
Reply-To:     pksharma 
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hello victor

i thought so too .. but on scrutiny of the terms
of rebate .. i find no such condition

..pk

(anyone else point out .. if any one seen any
such limitation )


----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Roberts 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive


> With most rebates there is a limit of one to a person or
> home address. How can this 'contact" obtain rebates for
> more than one drive?????????
>
>
>

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:29:53 -0700
Reply-To:     Willnotreply GMX 
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XIP is conceptually the same as overlay (remember overlay DOS program?).
It is completely transparent provided the following two conditions are met:

1.    Compiler support.  A compiler that recognizes and understands banking
and automatically generate codes to page different banks when the
caller and the callee are in different banks.

2.    Some experts have setup the banking layout.  Banking layout (i.e.
which codes/functions to be placed in which banks) is not critical but
extremely important.  Using the wrong layout could make your program
bank switch 1000 times for each character printed on the screen and that
makes a very slow program.

Once these software development setup types tasks are ironed away,
you would just write your C program just like any other one.

(Just recalling some (not so) old memory.)

Sincerely,
Alfred Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry 
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu 
Date: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Replacing the roms


>> At 7/21/02 -0400, Stan Dobrowski wrote:
>> >It is a very convoluted way to make the ROM programs.  And I am
>> >sure it was a real challenge to write.  But the benefit is that
>> >no RAM is taken up by the built in programs.  Of course, they
>> >all need RAM space for data, but the programs in ROM do not
>> >need to be loaded into RAM in order to run.  Think about it -
>> >you can have every one of the built in applications open and
>> >still have lots of RAM left over.  This is possible because
>> >each app only needs up to 64K of RAM for it's working variable
>> >space. Lotus 123 is the exception because it will grab all
>> >available RAM to hold the spreadsheet.
>
>Using bank switching a lot dos add another layer of complexity to a
>program but it doesn't have to be particularly convuluted.  I've
>never written an OS but I've written programs on several computers
>that used one sort of bank switching or another and left it to the
>programmer to deal with.  I think the biggest effect it has is to
>require extra care in the design of the program.  But the
>programming itself isn't that much more difficult in the stuff I've
>done.
>
>Then again, none of these systems were anywhere near as complex as
>the 200lx so it might be different in this case.
>
>Barry
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:29 -0400
Reply-To:     Bob Penick 
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A few weeks ago Richard Smith wrote to the list that he could not get his
Accurite Travel Floppy to work in his 32MB doublespeed 200lx, but it worked
OK in his Omnibooks.  I have one of the Accurite floppies that hadn't given
me any trouble with my doublespeed so I offered Richard diagnostic
assistance.
Richard got his floppy to me along with his config.sys, autoexec.bat &
associated startup files.  I plugged in his floppy to my 96MB doublespeed
and had no problems with it (using my config.sys etc.).  Not wanting to muck
up the 200 I use everyday, I took out my backup palmtop (a 32MB doublespeed)
and set it up using Richard's startup configuration.  Neither my floppy or
Richard's worked.  I started trying to sort through the differences and
first realized that Richard was using older Times2 drivers than I was.  Made
the changes and rebooted the palmtop and it worked with his drive!  I called
Richard and proclaimed my success.  Powered the palmtop off, changed to my
drive and then it would not work!!  Put his back in and it still wouldn't
work. :-(
To sum up what I've come up with (after trying many different
configurations, reboots and reinitializations of the c: drive and the 32MB
drive):
In the 32MB 200 with all the drivers etc. that I use in the 96MB 200, I can
get it to work after a complete initialization of the small C: and then copy
the startup files from a flash card.  Either of the drives will work great
until I press the "on" key.  When I turn it off and on again everything else
seems to work except the ability to read either of the floppy drives.  In
DOS it will change to the "F" prompt, but if I do a dir or anything else,
the drive light lights, I hear the disk spin, the drive light goes off and
then the palmtop locks up.  I've waited as long as for half an hour and
nothing happens.  I have to do the control-shift-on thing to gain control of
the palmtop again.  Even the power button has no effect.
I can overwrite all the files on the little C: with the ones that had just
worked and it will still lock up.  BUT, if I reinitialize that small C:,
copy the same files back and then reboot, it will work again, just ONCE
more.  I do not need to reinitialize the 32MB drive to get it working again.
Again, I do NOT have this problem with the 96MB 200 using exactly the same
startup files.  I can power it off and on and both floppies will continue to
work fine.
Also, I haven't had a problem like this in the single speed 200's I tried
this on.  And both of the doublespeed conversions were done by Thaddeus, if
someone is wondering if that might be the difference.
Any ideas or assistance from the combined knowledge of  the group will be
greatly appreciated?
Thanks and sorry for the length of this posting,
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:00:04 +0200
Reply-To:     Niels 
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Yeah, there is not statement like that, though it is limited to one rebate
per product, which is, in my eyes, completely fair :)

link: http://www.vstore.com/rebate/toshiba/toshiba_2GBhdd.pdf.

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "pksharma" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive


> hello victor
>
> i thought so too .. but on scrutiny of the terms
> of rebate .. i find no such condition
>
> ..pk
>
> (anyone else point out .. if any one seen any
> such limitation )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Victor Roberts 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
>
>
> > With most rebates there is a limit of one to a person or
> > home address. How can this 'contact" obtain rebates for
> > more than one drive?????????
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:23:49 +0200
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Hmm this is pretty interesting :)

I've read something about the upgrades. It's alike this, if I'm not mistaken

state after failure, everything is empty :(
assumed is, there is no autoexec or config (so the orinals will be used)

old drive c of 1/2/4mb
upgrade f of 64 (or whatever) mb will not recognized

you will get into sysmanager
you will shell to dos

you initialize the drive f (not always necessary, as far as i know it could
be still intact. tell me if i'm wrong) - using RDT2T.exe (can you tell me if
this program needs keyboard input, or not?)

Then you add RDT2T in your config sys, so next time the drive will be
recognized

Then, you may use RDSWAP to swap the drive letters (actually is the same as
assign c=f f=c I think) but this is not required. You can use RDSWAP in the
config.sys or autoexec.bat


now here's the hard part :)

we have an config.sys and autoexec.bat on a:, from which we will boot

config.sys contains both RDT2T and RDSWAP (very likely)
autoexec.bat will run the BACKUP program among others...

let's (again) assume we have a failure and all our hard drives' contents are
wiped off

RDT2T will or will not recognize the upgrade    <--- is this true, or will
it _always_ recognize the upgrade and give access to it??? or will it
recognize it, but give an error as soon as you try to read from it???
if RDT2T will swap upgrade and orignal if upgraded has been recognized, else
it will not.

in this case 2 things can happen...

my program checks the c-drive, which will be either the original drive, _or_
the upgrade, but which it is, we don't know. Also it might be it will try to
read from the upgrade (which has succesfully been swapped), but this drive
is corrupted so an error will occur.

can you help figuring out this last part? I cannot experiment, for I do not
have an upgraded palmtop ( :( )

tnx,


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" 
To: "Niels" 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: HP Backup utility


> hi Niels,
>
> On 11 Aug 2002 at 17:28, Niels wrote:
>
> > If you can supply me with the commands I have to execute to do that, I
> > think it'll be possible to do that. But it might even work after the
> > backup has been restored because the driver will be restored and next
> > time called from the autoexec.bat
> >
> the problem is that the normal autoexec.bat is not the same I need
> for restoring a empty 64MB Ramdisk after a crash.
> The drivers are only loaded once, to create the C: drive and then you
> can reboot the unit and use the C: drive created before.
> The drive name is also changed after creating the Ram disk, because
> the big disk is drive f: in the beginning.
>
> It is a bit complicated...
>
> cheers,
> Werner
>
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:12:30 +0200
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Hi Avi,

as far as I know, this is true for the whole world, since algorithms and
mathematical methods are out of scope of traditional patents.

But, for those who want to gain a patent on software, there's a workaround:
Simply request a patent on "a computer facility running ", and, voila! You have practically gained a software patent,
since
the term "computer facility" can be formulated general
enough to include everything more complex than the abacus.

Paul

> Maybe it is true for Germany? I could patent the process that was embodied
> in my software. But I chose to keep it secret and sell it, which is what I
> wrote, in case you missed it.
>
> >Several years ago I spoke with a guy from the German institution which
> >manages patents (Patentamt), and he said to me _software_ cannot be
> >patented at all.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:22:24 +0000
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Axel Berger wrote:
> That reminds me (and sorry, this is not LX but at least DOS):

Why be sorry?  No one else is and DOS is more on topic than
most. The non-LX noise level is so high lately that I'm
considering signing off hplx-l and just searching the archives
as I need info.

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:43:36 +1200
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--
 08h47m ago, on 11 Aug, 2002, Tomas Moberg wrote:=09=09

> rwebfile.SCR starts but it exits back to post/lx right away.
> And I dont know why.

Is rwebfile.bat in your local directory?

If the script runs it will make a rwebftmp.bat there which has
one line like this: pns200 c:\other\7.gif

That will only work if pns200 is in your DOS path.

> And one more thing: I have put ExtProg=3Dextprogs.bat in post.cfg:
> ROBOT -p "RWEB1 po"
> c:\io\www\robot.exe c:\io\www\robot\abc.scr
>
> The last line is a script that telnets to my Unix account via mu X-box
> Interact.
> But when I run roboweb/lx that script is also run eaven though I have
> not marked the Interact box for visit.

The abc.scr needs to check if interact is marked for visit - at
the beginning it needs a 4-line structure along these lines:

~ index interact.I2
if (found visit) ok
x
:ok

HTH
-Tony
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09
 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:52:33 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: Abandonware (was: Norton Editor)
Comments: To: Paul Wagner ,
          Paul Wagner 
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 04:12 pm, Paul Wagner wrote:
> Hi Avi,
>
> as far as I know, this is true for the whole world, since
> algorithms and mathematical methods are out of scope of
> traditional patents.

The rules were changed a number of years ago and I believe
it now possible in the US to get a patent on a computer
program. You do have to jump through some hoops, however.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:56:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 03:00 pm, Niels wrote:
> Yeah, there is not statement like that, though it is
> limited to one rebate per product, which is, in my eyes,
> completely fair :)
>
> link:
> http://www.vstore.com/rebate/toshiba/toshiba_2GBhdd.pdf.

I stand corrected. There is no statement about "one per
person or household."

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:38:58 +1200
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Daniel wrote:
>So, if anyone here uses e.g. a Citizen PN 60 pocket printer and Word
>6.0 on the palmtop, this may be something for you.
Word 6.0 runs on the LX?? I thought 5.5 was the last?
Or are you talking about running it under Win3?
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:06:11 -0400
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On 09-08 18:28 EDT, you wrote:

> Too bad, my laptop just does not have a function to turn that stretching
> off. Or at least, it is not mentioned anywhere, I've searched a lot for it.
...
> some where on a cd-rom. If you want, I can try to find it. Btw my laptop is
> a compaq presario 1220.

Try hitting Fn+T. On all the Compaq computers I have used, it was this
combination (since my Contura 4/25cx that I still have).

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:12:35 -0700
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At 12:38 pm 8/12/2002 +1200, you wrote:
>Daniel wrote:
>>So, if anyone here uses e.g. a Citizen PN 60 pocket printer and Word
>>6.0 on the palmtop, this may be something for you.
>Word 6.0 runs on the LX?? I thought 5.5 was the last?
>Or are you talking about running it under Win3?
>Cheers, Roger
>

Word 6.0 for DOS runs fine on my single-speed 200LX.  With on-screen
display of character formatting (bold, italics, etc.), there's less need to
use Print Preview.  Moreover, if one de-selects the "Display Line Breaks"
option on the Preferences menu, all lines are visible on screen while you
work (i.e they don't extend out of view off the right edge of the screen),
so there's no need to scroll right to see what's there,  a great feature to
use on both the desktop and LX.  I found my copy of Word 6.0 on eBay,
though it took quite a while to actually find one on auction.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:10 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Brooks" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Euro sign


> The non-LX noise level is so high lately that I'm
> considering signing off hplx-l and just searching the archives
> as I need info.

I'd like to speculate on a possible reason for this.

The LX is a very mature system.  A lot of people have dug in and
found a lot of solutions to a lot of problems and spread the word
on HPHAND, then on the Palmtop Paper, and here.  There's not nearly
as much mystery about it as there used to be.

So, maybe the off-topic talk is to keep this thing alive.  We still
do learn new things about the machine and we still do solve more
problems.  It's still worth the effort.  But there just isn't as
much of it now.  And maybe by filling in the gaps a little we keep
this still useful group going.

And maybe we overdo it sometimes.  I know I do.  But we all know a
lot about a lot of non-lx things and it's hard not to talk about
them.

When this becomes a problem for you I'd like to suggest mentioning
it.  As you just did.  We're pretty polite and accomodating.  And
if we forget and get carried away again and you mention it again,
it'll probably help again.

Also keep in mind that a lot of the exactly on topic stuff here is
totally extraneous to some of us.  I haven't the slightest interest
in modems or internet access with the lx or in their use with
bluetooth or cell phones or networking.  I'm sure I'm not the only
one.  But that's totally on topic and it's useful to a lot of
others so I just don't read those posts.

Barry

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:47:51 -0400
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>>i thought so too .. but on scrutiny of the terms
>>of rebate .. i find no such condition

there will be the next time after you guys get through with them LOL

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:02:00 -0700
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Is anybody using genealogy software on their 200LX?

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:12:03 +0200
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hi Tony,

On 11 Aug 2002 at 19:23, Tony Hutchins wrote:

> --
>  01h47m ago, on 11 Aug, 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:
>
> > I use bigfont.pcx for read.exe, but there is one letter
> > missing which is frequent in German texts, the "=DF"
>
> Werner you can make a "=DF" show as "s" by editing BIGFONT.FNT.
> I stole the line for "s" and added this:
> =DF 302 1 318 32

thanks for sharing this trick, but it has one disatvantage. It is
wrong spelling and it hurts in my eyes. It is better than an empty
space though.
>
> I don't know where the BIGFONT.PCX came from - or how easy it
> would be to add a real "=DF" to it.
>
That would be the final solution. Maybe someone comes up with it.

txs,
Werner

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:45:55 -0500
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:55:00 +0100
Reply-To:     "Svagr, Radek" 
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You should have on the other side of memory upgrade soldering pads for
another two chips. Is that right?
They are not the same size and _maybe_ not 100% pin compatible but you can
desolder original 512KB
chips and connect them to these pads. Before doing that make sure the corect
pinouts. Or wait, I have it
on the table just now because I need some more storage space inside my
200lx. Also it will be
necessary to connect two pads marked as PD1, PD2 (???) directly to the
hornet chip.

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List    On Behalf Of
Kerwin Robertson 
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:41 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
> tell me more............
> where do I get the instructions for doing this????
> I have done some limited surface mount stuff before,
> so I think I could manage this,
>
> regards,
>
> Kerwin Robertson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Svagr, Radek 
> To: 
> Sent: 09 August 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
>
> If you have good soldering skills you can add it to the 4MB and get in
total
> 6MB...
>
> Radek
>
>

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:24:40 +0200
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Hi friends!

I recently made a contribution re the Euro-sign and proposed using  a =
newer version of the Andrew fonts ( on the SUPER the version is still =
3.0)
I myself have since long been using Andrew8 which indeed handles the =
eurosign (fn+e) and abdmoon in addition to being a clean and easily =
readable font.
I have now been in contact with Andrew H. about uploading the later =
Andrew to Super if there is an interest for this which he readily agreed =
to allow. (Daniel to follow up?)=20
I also asked Andrew about getting rid of the slashes through the zeros. =
I only knew of running Buddy and that is a little heavy for only that =
function. He then jproduced as a week end effort an Andrew9 font that =
solves that for those who prefer the uncluttered effect.
Warm thanks for that!

Hans Jacob
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:27 +0200
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Tony Hutchins wrote:
...
> Is rwebfile.bat in your local directory?
>
> If the script runs it will make a rwebftmp.bat there which has
> one line like this: pns200 c:\other\7.gif
>
> That will only work if pns200 is in your DOS path.

I have it there, but I guess I have too many paths cos when I move the
PATH %path%c:\tools\pns200; to the top, then it works.
Is there a limit in number of paths?

prompt $p$g
PATH c:\system\drivers;c:\;c:\_dat;d:\bin;d:\dos;
PATH %path%c:\text\paledit;
PATH %path%c:\tools\nc4;
PATH %path%c:\io\www;
PATH %path%c:\system\bat;
PATH %path%c:\tools\xgrep;
PATH %path%c:\system\maxd03b;
PATH %path%c:\tools\pns200;

Thanks

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> I offered a test of one narrow aspect of the asset (ownership).

Yes but a  wrong one IMHO. It was said here (but you? not sure) that
under certain circumstances a licence can be revoked or limited later.
In this one I wholeheartedly agree with John. If I own a book I do not
of course own the story and can not go and publish it. But I do own the
book in perpetuity. I can give or sell it to anyone and if I keep it my
great-grandchildren will still have the unlimited right to read it. They
can also read it aloud to their grandchildren (or me when my eyesight
begins to fail) but not of course in a public broadcast. The same is and
must stay true for all software sold in the past. If in future or from
now software is distributed in a way more resembling renting then
selling then that is alright, even if I don`t like it and refuse to
participate, but all older software up to now was sold not hired.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:08:53 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> Not exactly un-American traits.  While there is a lot
> that I dislike in what he's done, overall I think he deserves a lot
> of respect.

D'accord. What I do resent is others, many of whom have stolen the
software in the first place, forcing me to go along.
Thus, when my daughter's tax payed state school's official website says
"can only be viewed with IE" that is corruption and I complain.
When someone sends me attachments in word or excel formats I complain
and if the answer is "but everybody's got that" he is promoting theft.
Bill Gates lets hordes of idiots do his dirty work and those are the
ones to get at, sueing him when he himself has done nothing wrong is
plain stupid and bound to bounce.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:17:32 +0200
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John Musielewicz wrote:
> 

As long as have been using BBSs and networks I have always been told
that it is rude, impolite, bad form and simply not done to forward
private mail to public places. As far as I could make out this bit of
netiquette used to be and still is completely agreed on by everybody and
only (rarely) disputed by total newbies. You, John, are not a newbie.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:30:42 +1200
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--
 01h57m ago, on 12 Aug, 2002, Tomas Moberg wrote:=09=09

> Is there a limit in number of paths?

Hi Tomas,

The maximum length of the PATH command is 127 characters.
Your PATH would be over 140 chars - I guess that the final

03b;c:\tools\pns200;

would be left out which chops off the pns200 and part of the

c:\system\maxd03b

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:07:10 +0200
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On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 04:36:52PM -0500, Tim wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On my Linux PC, I'm running Mandrake 8.2 (uses the Redhat RPM structure for
> adding programs) and KDE 3.0.2 as my GUI.
>
> I'll still take step 1 - Cross my fingers! .
>
> Any dif. between what to edit for Mandrake?

On a Debian Linux system look for a line

#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100

in /etc/inittab and remove the hash mark. Then save the file and force
init to reload the inittab by executing "init q". Now you have serial
terminal listening on the first serial port with the standard settings
(i.e. 9600 8,n,1). Oh: you need to do these steps as root.

On Mandrake, just adding the line

T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100

to the end of /etc/inittab, installing getty and reloading the inittab
(the "init q" above) should work.

Regards,
        Alex.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:00:46 +0100
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I have one question especially for german friends.

Is there a way how to acess internet from my 200lx using a D1 (preferrably)
or Eplus prepaid
SIM Card?

Last time in Germany I didn't find a way. "Free internet" numbers were
blocked or needed
registration with adress in germany.

Fortunately I was last time on the border with Belgium so I used their (also
much cheaper) dialups.
But now I will be in Speyer so no belgian network:-(

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:15:38 -0400
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>>Is there a limit in number of paths?

yes there is but you can increase the space by running

command.com with /e:xxx /p

as the first line of your autoexec.bat

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:24:57 +0200
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Le Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:26 +0200
Axel Berger  a icrit:

> and if I keep it my
> great-grandchildren will still have the unlimited right to read it.

In fact, he will perhaps have all rights about it (reading, re-publishing,
etc...), if the text is fallen in public domain (75 years after the
death of the author, according to the French laws).

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:02:22 +0200
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 12:08:53PM +0200, Axel Berger wrote:
> Barry wrote:
> > Not exactly un-American traits.  While there is a lot
> > that I dislike in what he's done, overall I think he deserves a lot
> > of respect.
>
> D'accord. What I do resent is others, many of whom have stolen the
> software in the first place, forcing me to go along.
> Thus, when my daughter's tax payed state school's official website says
> "can only be viewed with IE" that is corruption and I complain.
> When someone sends me attachments in word or excel formats I complain
> and if the answer is "but everybody's got that" he is promoting theft.
> Bill Gates lets hordes of idiots do his dirty work and those are the
> ones to get at, sueing him when he himself has done nothing wrong is
> plain stupid and bound to bounce.

Strong ACK. If somebody sends me something in Word, Excel or PowerPoint
format his mail either gets directly handled by the friendly /dev/null
nearby or, if it was important, I complain and tell the person in
question to send me the stuff in a readable format (usually plain text
is sufficient, but I'd accept PDF if necessary). This already _did_ cost
a company a sale. When I was looking to purchase a SUN workstation for
my current employer, the first company we asked for an offer did send
it in MS Word. Great. Back went a complaint how I was supposed to read
this on a SUN workstation[0] and that the salesdroid should send it in
plain text, PDF or even HTML. Half a day later, a fax arrives.
Salesdroid sends email that this was the easiest way. Thank you very much
for showing your incompentence - another vendor got the order for the
SUN workstation (and _this_ vendor used only plain text in his mails).

Regards,
      Alex.
[0] Yes, there are ways, I know. But I'm _not_ going to bend over
    backwards to support the spread of Redmondware.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:48:28 -0400
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On Monday 12 August 2002 10:02 am, Alexander Schreiber

> Strong ACK. If somebody sends me something in Word, Excel
> or PowerPoint format his mail either gets directly
> handled by the friendly /dev/null nearby or, if it was
> important, I complain and tell the person in question to
> send me the stuff in a readable format (usually plain
> text is sufficient, but I'd accept PDF if necessary).
> This already _did_ cost a company a sale. When I was
> looking to purchase a SUN workstation for my current
> employer, the first company we asked for an offer did
> send it in MS Word. Great. Back went a complaint how I
> was supposed to read this on a SUN workstation[0] and
> that the salesdroid should send it in plain text, PDF or
> even HTML. Half a day later, a fax arrives. Salesdroid
> sends email that this was the easiest way. Thank you very
> much for showing your incompentence - another vendor got
> the order for the SUN workstation (and _this_ vendor used
> only plain text in his mails).

Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in
Word is not only impolite it is very poor business
practice. Any Word or Power Point document can be easily
edited, so there is absolutely no security. (The so-called
Read-Only password "protection" in Word still allows a
modified version of the document to be saved under a
different name.)

I just purchased an excellent PDF converter than allows me
to convert all business memos, presentations etc to PDF
format, and password protect them from any changes. yes, I
know the password protection can be cracked with some
effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked with
enough effort.  This is still better then sending out
documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:08:37 -0400
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Friends,
Now I'm more confused than ever!
This morning I started back in my search for a reason that the Accurite
floppy drives wouldn't work with my (and I guess Richard's) 32MB DS.  Just
like I had done several times yesterday, I reinitialized both the small C:
and the 32M drives.  I copied the exact same startup files from the same
flash card and everything worked......  Even when I powered down and up,
swapped the two floppy drives, and anything else I could try to swap.
I even tried to "break" it again by using the older T2T drivers.  And.....,
it continued to work as it was supposed to. }:-0
While very puzzled, I'm going to get Richard his drive back and give him a
copy of the newer drivers and my startup files.
I'm blaming it on the Perseids!
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:46 +0200
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Hi friends

1 day 15h22m ago Barry wrote:

> If you really want to use the 200lx for this I think creating 200lx
> presentations would be feasable.  I don't know of a program for
> this but I'd be a little surprised if something isn't available.

How about one of the two really portable solutions for creating
presentations:

* LaTeX with SliTeX (or plain TeX with an addition my brother created
exactly for that purpose - creating presentation, don't know the name
currently, can look it up if interested), would work on the palmtop
using my LXTeX and on any other system, no matter if Linux, Windows,
DOS, OS/2 or even Mac, I think

* HTML with CSS2 - display is not supported on the LX, but creation is
easy, because it is plain ASCII, and it can be viewed as a presentation
on any machine which can run Opera 6. Even the non-registered version
of Opera 6 orks, because its ad banners are not shown in full-screen
mode. :-)

To test the HTML/CSS2 solution, you can download Opera 6 from
www.opera.com (Linux and Windows versions available) and have a look at
either the demo presentaations on www.opera.com (look for OperaShow
Tutorial) or a presentation I have created, on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/studienarbeit\zw_ber
Press F11 in Oera for full-screen presentation mode. I don't know if
other browsers support CSS2 finally, but Opera 6 does.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:48 +0200
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Hi Niels

21h21m ago Niels wrote:

> Hmmm I have thought of checking file names, but if I just don't place
> anything on my c-drive but use the internal programs of the hp-lx, like
> appointment manager or the phone book, the file names stay the same =
though
> the size does not. I guess it'll be a better idea for the program to =
just
> check the existence of a single file ('be_there.txt' :) )

Yes, probably this is the easiest, most conveniet, fastest and safest
solution. Let your backup exe create a hidden / system file
c:\_dat\backup~~.$$$ on each backup, and the restore function in
autoexec.simply checks for existence of that file.

>     My program will be using static file-names as well, it will work =
alike
> this:
>
> check voltage
> check databases

Maybe you oculd incorporate database check into the backup routins, so
that every ?db file is checked directly before it's backupped, and if
it is not okay, then it is not backupped, and a log entry is written
that the file is corrupt. Just an idea...

> of couse this can easily be expanded for more files, the principle is =
quite
> simple. However, this will already use alot of space on your flashcard. =
Say,
> you have a 32mb drive, which contents will be 16mb when compressed, you
> already need at least 48mb on your flashcard, just for the backup (old, =
new
> and temp). I do not want to delete the new file, and then create the =
backup,
> because then, if something goes wrong, your most recent backup will be =
lost.

I have a 32MB drive filled up with 8MB EMS (not backupped) and so much
data that 8-10 MB are currently free. i.e. there should be about 16 MB
data on it. My backup dir looks like this

 Volume in drive A is Am
 Directory of A:\BACKUP_C

.                 12-13-01  11:04a
..                12-13-01  11:04a
0_C      ZIP   5731518 08-12-02   3:44a
0_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-12-02   3:18a
0_F      ZIP    129083 08-12-02   3:45a
1_C      ZIP   7135238 08-11-02   2:53a
1_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-11-02   2:24a
1_F      ZIP    129083 08-11-02   2:53a
2_C      ZIP   7219876 08-10-02   3:49a
2_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-10-02   3:19a
2_F      ZIP    129083 08-10-02   3:50a
AUTOEXEC BAT       274 12-06-01   8:50p
CONFIG   SYS       398 12-07-01   8:38a
DBCHECK  LOG      2293 08-12-02   3:19a
OMIT2    PKZ        31 12-09-01   9:10p
       15 file(s)   29029025 bytes
                    23810048 bytes free

i.e. total compressed size of C without EMS is about 8-10 MB.

Yes, backups need a lot of space.  :-)

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0200
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Hi David

20h59m ago David Becher wrote:

> Set up a list of "good" to addresses, and then read incoming mail in =
the
> following manner - Read the headers, & check the TO list. If the =
address is
> in the "good" list - read the rest of the mail. If not DONT delete it, =
move
> onto the next. Then while reading your mail you can check whether you =
want to
> download the entire message or delete it from the server without =
downloading it.
> Im pretty sure that this would work with IMAP.

That way you would miss messages directed to you by a BCC, or even, if
you only parse the To header, CC. Or wou wouldn't miss it, since you
wouldn't delete it, but it would not be downloaded on the first run.
If that's useful depends on how often you get BCC'ed mail.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:53 +0200
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Hi Bob and Richard

12h23m ago Bob Penick wrote:

> Also, I haven't had a problem like this in the single speed 200's I =
tried
> this on.  And both of the doublespeed conversions were done by Thaddeus,=
 if
> someone is wondering if that might be the difference.
> Any ideas or assistance from the combined knowledge of  the group will =
be
> greatly appreciated?

Are your not properly working setups upgraded very long ago?
AFAIK, the early techspeed updgrades by T2T used a crystal with a slow
frequency, using a highpass filter to filter out the needed high
overtone. So maybe that could cause such problems?

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:55 +0200
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Hi Niels

12h02m ago Niels wrote:

> RDT2T will or will not recognize the upgrade    <--- is this true, or =
will
> it _always_ recognize the upgrade and give access to it??? or will it
> recognize it, but give an error as soon as you try to read from it???
> if RDT2T will swap upgrade and orignal if upgraded has been recognized, =
else
> it will not.

My experience is that it always detects the upgrade and if it is not
initialized yet (but doesn't contain valid data anymore, either) the
drvier will ask you to agree to the initialization and then initializes
it.

GTX
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:57 +0200
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Hi Roger,

06h56m ago Roger Whitmarsh wrote:

> Word 6.0 runs on the LX?? I thought 5.5 was the last?
> Or are you talking about running it under Win3?

No, it works well under plain DOS. Even supports true type fonts!
I have not really used it, though, so I cannot comment on setup. But I
have once installed it and tried it, I think, and it worked.


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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:27:24 -0400
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For what it is worth,
I have one of the older 200lx's (SG423......) that has the BIOS version 1.00
A instead of the more common 1.02 A.
(Anyone got an older one out there?)
In the past I've tried to figure what some of the differences were between
it and the 200's with the more "normal" BIOS.  During all the rebooting and
reinitializing I was doing yesterday while working on the Accurite floppy
mystery, I finally figured out one BIG difference.  The older one does not
respond to Control-Shift-On.
This was my first LX that I bought in the summer of '94.  Over the years,
I'd get it hung up a few times and I remember now that I had trouble
resetting it.  I usually had to pull the batteries to get it to reset.
(Makes you keep your backups up to date!)  I thought that whatever happened
had hung it so badly that it didn't even recognize the keystrokes.  When it
hung and didn't respond again yesterday, I pulled the batteries, left it
alone a few minutes and replaced them.  After setting up the time and owner
info and nothing else, I pressed the reset key combination and NOTHING
happened.
I guess they had to fix that bug.  Can anyone else with that BIOS version
double-check my results?
Later,
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:19:22 +0530
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hello victor

i thought so too .. but on scrutiny of the terms
of rebate .. i find no such condition

..pk

(anyone else point out .. if any one seen any
such limitation )


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> With most rebates there is a limit of one to a person or
> home address. How can this 'contact" obtain rebates for
> more than one drive?????????
>
>
>

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:27 +0200
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Tony Hutchins wrote:
...
> Is rwebfile.bat in your local directory?
>
> If the script runs it will make a rwebftmp.bat there which has
> one line like this: pns200 c:\other\7.gif
>
> That will only work if pns200 is in your DOS path.

I have it there, but I guess I have too many paths cos when I move the
PATH %path%c:\tools\pns200; to the top, then it works.
Is there a limit in number of paths?

prompt $p$g
PATH c:\system\drivers;c:\;c:\_dat;d:\bin;d:\dos;
PATH %path%c:\text\paledit;
PATH %path%c:\tools\nc4;
PATH %path%c:\io\www;
PATH %path%c:\system\bat;
PATH %path%c:\tools\xgrep;
PATH %path%c:\system\maxd03b;
PATH %path%c:\tools\pns200;

Thanks

     /tomas moberg
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:54:40 +0200
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Hi Axel,

in my opinion the book-software-parallel has a big flaw: Speaking of books,
the information (the text itself) is unmovable bound to the media (the paper
it is printed on). The expenses of making copies is in the same order of
magnitude as the price of the book (except in some very unusual cases).

On the other hand: Software is not bound to a media, it can be copied
between media (installation: copy from install-disks to harddrive). The
media on which software is sold has a price of about 1% down to 1ppm of the
whole product, that means making a copy ist FAR cheaper than buying the
whole product twice.

If you buy a book, you pay for the paper and the information; if you buy
software, you actually buy pure information (which is shipped on some media,
of course). (Even this is not true anymore, with programs loading over a
network (e.g. Java-applets)).

Paul

> In this one I wholeheartedly agree with John. If I own a book I do not
> of course own the story and can not go and publish it. But I do own the
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> D'accord. What I do resent is others, many of whom have stolen
the
> software in the first place, forcing me to go along.
> Thus, when my daughter's tax payed state school's official
website says
> "can only be viewed with IE" that is corruption and I complain.

I think your school's web designers are being a little foolish but
it does take extra time and effort to be really sure a site works
on other browsers.  And which other browsers?  Netscape is obvious.
But Lynx or Opera or the many others?

They're saving your tax money by doing this.  I agree it's dumb.
"Penny wise and pound foolish" comes to mind.  But it's cheaper
that way.

> When someone sends me attachments in word or excel formats I
complain
> and if the answer is "but everybody's got that" he is promoting
theft.
> Bill Gates lets hordes of idiots do his dirty work and those are
the
> ones to get at, sueing him when he himself has done nothing wrong
is
> plain stupid and bound to bounce.

But they're right.  Nearly everybody does have it.  There are free,
downloadable word readers for a lot of OS's.  I'm not sure of
Excel.  But spreadsheets typically can import Excel.  So while
everyone may not own Excel or Word, nearly everyone can read the
files.

I'm all for standardization.  I'm more concerned about MS's efforts
to break standards so they can take them over.  Remember their
planning how to break the tcp/ip standard in the halloween memo?
Do a google search on "halloween memo" if you don't.  That's scary.
And it's just one example among many.  It's not the worst, it's
just the most obvious.

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> >>Is there a limit in number of paths?
>
> yes there is but you can increase the space by running
>
> command.com with /e:xxx /p
>
> as the first line of your autoexec.bat

That increases your environment space but not the allowed path
length.

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On August 08, 2002 11:03 AM, John Musielewicz wrote:

> Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and
> color screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person
> can pick the OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the
> internal flash with multi-tasking and using the connectivity
> pack. I can get a 28 meg PC110 for about 400 I think which
> would be plenty of ram for running

I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I
want, with one exception.  I regularly travel to review research
protocols with physicians.  This means PowerPoint (and carrying a
laptop, which I hate).

I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop, and note that MS
has a PowerPoint viewer that will run on a 486.  I'm considering
trying to purchase a PC110, but so far haven't been able to locate
one.  I've looked on e-Bay without success, but I only started
recently.

Here are a few questions for my esteemed list-colleagues:

 *where do I find a PC110 for purchase?
 *would a Libretto 70 be a better choice?
 *what are reasonable prices for each of these?
 *is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the 200LX?
  (I realize the LX display wouldn't work, but could the video
   signal be sent to an external monitor via the serial port?)

Thanks for your thoughts on these questions!

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Hi Daniel

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Hi Niels

10h39m ago Niels wrote:

> Sounds good! I'm eager to see the result.

(me to :) )

> ...and consider that the file sizes may (I don't know) differ on
> palmtops with different languages. So this should either be
> user-configurable, or you had to collect the info from users of all
> different languages, hope that they are willing to initialize their C
> drivers ;-) and then build that inof into your program and let it check
> the language of the palmtop it runs on.
> Maybe you should check for file _names_ instead of sizes - don't know
> if they are equal on all palmtops.

Hmmm I have thought of checking file names, but if I just don't place
anything on my c-drive but use the internal programs of the hp-lx, like
appointment manager or the phone book, the file names stay the same though
the size does not. I guess it'll be a better idea for the program to just
check the existence of a single file ('be_there.txt' :) )

> >     W 2 backups stored, 1 new, 1 old (like daniel's idea)

> Have you seen that improved version of my backup strategy for 32MB
> palmtops? That uses more backups (3) and the most recent backup has
> always the same name, not alternating like the 2-backup-way.

I have not payed much attention to it. It was a moment I had to leave (my
cuz is the hospital :( he'll be back tomorrow :) ) and it was not really of
interest for I do not (yet?) have the PIM/PE to experiment with...
    My program will be using static file-names as well, it will work alike
this:

check voltage
check databases
backup to temp
old = oldest backup file
new = newest backup file
(check temp on errors, if possible)

if (old and new) then        // if old and new files do exist then
    delete old
    rename new old
    rename temp new
    update logfile
elseif (new)                    // if only a new backup file exists
    rename new old
    rename temp new
    update logfile
elseif (old)                        // if only the old file exists (new file
has been removed for some reason)
    rename temp new
    update logfile
else                                // if no file exists at all
    rename temp new
    update logfile
endif

of couse this can easily be expanded for more files, the principle is quite
simple. However, this will already use alot of space on your flashcard. Say,
you have a 32mb drive, which contents will be 16mb when compressed, you
already need at least 48mb on your flashcard, just for the backup (old, new
and temp). I do not want to delete the new file, and then create the backup,
because then, if something goes wrong, your most recent backup will be lost.


Greetz

Niels

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

>
>I'm not interested in replacing my 200LX, it does everything I=
 want,
>with one exception. =A0I regularly travel to review research=
 protocols
>with physicians. =A0This means PowerPoint (and carrying a laptop,
>which I hate).
>
>I'm looking at smaller alternatives to a laptop,


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At 8/12/02 04:59 AM, you wrote:
>Avi Meshar wrote:
> > I offered a test of one narrow aspect of the asset (ownership).
>
>Yes but a  wrong one IMHO. It was said here (but you? not sure) that
>under certain circumstances a licence can be revoked or limited later.

I don't know the specific post, and I am not willing to spend the time to
dig it out. I do not recall talking about license revocation but let's go
with it anyway.

If Vic will grant me his permission to speak my mind, not legal advice
 - IF you agreed at some point in time that the license can be revoked
or modified unilaterally by the vendor, then the vendor can do it. The
vendor will be limited in making the license illegal, but you'll have to
take them to court to have the court decide if the modification makes the
license illegal, or that the revocation is illegal.

I want you (and others) to note that I am not commenting on wether this is
good, nice, ethical, moral - that was not in the question. I personally
detest that.

John was railing about the licenses to which one has no chance to agree or
disagree. Yeah, well, buy Linux stuff not Microsoft crap. But regardless of
how we _feel_ about the arrangement, that is what you must contend with and
deal with this, not the feelings one has about the properness of this
arrangement..

(Pleas don't anyone write to me that my position is reprehensible - I hate
this crap myself, but I am writing here to provide a bit of counterweight
to the emotional, and therefore USELESS, way to deal with licenses.)

>In this one I wholeheartedly agree with John. If I own a book I do not of
>course own the story and can not go and publish it.

So you agree with me so far word for word.

>But I do own the book in perpetuity.

You mean tha paper, the cardboard, the ink on the pages. You can sell that
one instance of the book to whomever you want for however much you want.
Once you sold it, you have nothing else to do with that asset.

If you mean that, then you agree with me totally, word for word.

>I can give or sell it to anyone and if I keep it my great-grandchildren
>will still have the unlimited right to read it.

Or if you want to, you can use the pages to line the floor of your
birdcage! 

So far we agree completely.

>They can also read it aloud to their grandchildren (or me when my eyesight
>begins to fail) but not of course in a public broadcast.

Right. We still agree completely.

>The same is and must stay true for all software sold in the past.

So far we are in unison! Hooray.

>If in future or from now software is distributed in a way more resembling
>renting then selling then that is alright, even if I don`t like it and
>refuse to participate, but all older software up to now was sold not hired.

So far we agree totally, word for word.

So Axel, the question begs: "Where is the beef?" What exactly are you
disagreeing with me? You agreed with me about my example, and disagreed
with John in the prior paragrpah. I do to some degree too when he
emotionally rebels against the way software is packaged and licenses are
modified without giving him a chance. I despise it too, but I encourage
people to vote with their money - buy Linux, not Microsoft crap. I disagree
with John in the point that raises that what is in his machine is his. He
(others do too, John - I am not signling you out...) makes a blanket,
incorrect statement about who own the program. The media is owned by him.
The license to use the program is owned by him. The actual source code and
idea of the program is NOT owned by him, but by the author of the program.

I proposed a test of ownership of the software: If you can make 5000
copies, or even another copy and sell the copies, then you own the program.
Otherwise you do not own the program. At most you own a license to use it
and the medium where the program is recorded.

I equated the example to something that is a little less esoteric. Many
people have a terrible time distinguishing between license to use and
ownership of software. So a book is a little closer and more familiar. That
is why I brought it up in the narrow test of ownership. In a book you own
the medium: paper, covers, ink. This is parallel to the medium you own when
you buy software - you own the CD or floppy.

In a book you get a "license" to use the book in perpetuity, read it as
many times as you want, leave it with your children when you leave us. The
parallel in software is that you cna use it as many times as you want. You
can even leave it to your grandchildren when you die.

The test now: Do you OWN it? If you can make copies of it - say 5000 - and
sell them, and you don't piss off anyone,or end up in jail for this, then
you own it! The "it" is either the story, or the program.

End of example. I think someone tried to run with the example and extend it
and pin that extension on me, but that is no-go, sorry.

You know? This thread illustrates WELL the hardship people have with
understanding the nature of an asset, ESPECIALLY a software asset. We have
gone through this and similar explanations several times, and still, the
same misunderstandings pop up.

I hope this helps, and that we can now kill the thread.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:47:05 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote:

>*is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the=
 200LX?

Dig up a copy of the old DrawPerfect it can do presentations and=
 will run on the 200lx.


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On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:48:28AM -0400, Victor Roberts wrote:
> On Monday 12 August 2002 10:02 am, Alexander Schreiber
>
> > Strong ACK. If somebody sends me something in Word, Excel
> > or PowerPoint format his mail either gets directly
> > handled by the friendly /dev/null nearby or, if it was
> > important, I complain and tell the person in question to
> > send me the stuff in a readable format (usually plain
> > text is sufficient, but I'd accept PDF if necessary).
> > This already _did_ cost a company a sale. When I was
> > looking to purchase a SUN workstation for my current
> > employer, the first company we asked for an offer did
> > send it in MS Word. Great. Back went a complaint how I
> > was supposed to read this on a SUN workstation[0] and
> > that the salesdroid should send it in plain text, PDF or
> > even HTML. Half a day later, a fax arrives. Salesdroid
> > sends email that this was the easiest way. Thank you very
> > much for showing your incompentence - another vendor got
> > the order for the SUN workstation (and _this_ vendor used
> > only plain text in his mails).
>
> Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in
> Word is not only impolite it is very poor business
> practice. Any Word or Power Point document can be easily
> edited, so there is absolutely no security. (The so-called
> Read-Only password "protection" in Word still allows a
> modified version of the document to be saved under a
> different name.)

Thats only one worm out of a whole canful. Other nasties:
 - MS Office documents infected with the latest macro virus/worm. Yes,
   around here macros are generally disabled, but I'm afraid this is not
   exactly normal.
 - Sending out confidential information. When "fast-saving" an Office
   document, all the changes remain there, they are just hidden. Using
   appropriate means (the strings command on UNIX, a simple plaintext or
   hex viewer or even the Word command to show changes) one can see all
   the changes stored in the file. Nice to learn about such business
   details like deals with other companies, special prices, customers
   addresses and the like. Yes, this happens.
 - Document is displayed differently to receiver than to the sender. If
   both have different versions of MS Office, different sets of fonts
   and other stuff, all kinds of "fun" can happen. Maybe nice for
   pranks, but simply unacceptable for business communication.

And then there is always the fact that the receiving party simply does not
have the required MS Office software (hey, this stuff isn't exactly
cheap). Everybody can read plaintext and most can read PDF - Acrobat
Reader is available for most important platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux,
Solaris and maybe even more).

> I just purchased an excellent PDF converter than allows me
> to convert all business memos, presentations etc to PDF
> format, and password protect them from any changes.

As long as your documents are not too tricky and you don't need the
advanced features you just named, the combination of a good PostScript
printer driver and Ghostscript on Windows is a free and mostly well
working way to produce PDF on Windows (so far, it works with all the
Word documents our folks here have fed to it, but barfs on some
PowerPoint slides). I use it here at my current employer to give every
Windows machine a "PDF printer" for free.

Regards,
      Alex.
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Subject: Re: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110 (fwd)


> Here are a few questions for my esteemed list-colleagues:
>
>  *would a Libretto 70 be a better choice?

I know the PC 110 only gets about an hour from a battery charge,
and there are enhanced batteries for the Libreto that get a few
hours.  Thats a big difference.

>  *is there *any* chance a PP viewer could be written for the
200LX?
>   (I realize the LX display wouldn't work, but could the video
>    signal be sent to an external monitor via the serial port?)

If there's an external monitor available at a location, chances are
there's a laptop around, too.  If so, all you really need is a
flash card with the presentation and a setup file for the player.

Also I think I saw somewhere that there's a way to turn either
Powerpoint or one of it's competitors presentations into EXEs for
just that purpose.

As for the 200lx, sound would be out of the question and so would
color and I suspect a lot of the graphical stuff would need more
horsepower.

If you really want to use the 200lx for this I think creating 200lx
presentations would be feasable.  I don't know of a program for
this but I'd be a little surprised if something isn't available.

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Have you considered an omnibook 600c? It's dirt cheep and will boot from =
a Sandisk card. I have one that I paid $50 for. It's not nearly as small =
as the PC110 but is reasonable. It has a 486/75 and takes 16MB max. It =
also gets pretty good battery life when running from flash. I barely use =
mine but probably won't get rid of it. It's not worth my time to sell =
something on ebay for which I get < $100 unless it's something I really, =
really don't want. The 600C may come in handy some day.


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> Subject: Replacing the LX with the IBM PC110
>=20
>=20
> Has anyone done this? It has some advantages like a 486 and color
> screen plus being able to boot from a card so a person can pick the
> OS. I thought about installing DR-Dos on the internal flash with
> multi-tasking and using the connectivity pack. I can get a 28 meg
> PC110 for about 400 I think which would be plenty of ram for running

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Friends,
Now I'm more confused than ever!
This morning I started back in my search for a reason that the Accurite
floppy drives wouldn't work with my (and I guess Richard's) 32MB DS.  Just
like I had done several times yesterday, I reinitialized both the small C:
and the 32M drives.  I copied the exact same startup files from the same
flash card and everything worked......  Even when I powered down and up,
swapped the two floppy drives, and anything else I could try to swap.
I even tried to "break" it again by using the older T2T drivers.  And.....,
it continued to work as it was supposed to. }:-0
While very puzzled, I'm going to get Richard his drive back and give him a
copy of the newer drivers and my startup files.
I'm blaming it on the Perseids!
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John Musielewicz wrote:
> 

As long as have been using BBSs and networks I have always been told
that it is rude, impolite, bad form and simply not done to forward
private mail to public places. As far as I could make out this bit of
netiquette used to be and still is completely agreed on by everybody and
only (rarely) disputed by total newbies. You, John, are not a newbie.

Axel

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Please, tell me more. Is this legal? I recently inhereted some money but =
am at a loss on investment opportunities. The stock market frightens me.        =
=20

> ibrahim hassan11
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:43 PM
> To: hassan11.ibrahim@caramail.com
> Subject: Assalamu alaikkum
>=20
>=20
> ASSYLUM CAMP ABIDJAN
> From: HASSAN/AMINA
>=20
> 225 05 95 24 34
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Assalamu alaikkum=20
>=20
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> CONFIDENTIAL
>=20
> Dear One,=20
> =09
>=20
> I am HASSAN IBRAHIM the only son of late former
> Director of finance,IBRAHIM IDRIS
> Sierra-Leone diamond and mining corporation.
> I must confess my agitation is real, and my words is
> my bond, in this proposal. My late father
> diverted this fund acquired from the over
> influencing of price of sales/purchasing of raw
> materials., now he has

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I use FSB (Family Scrapbook)

Works very well

>Date:    Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:02:00 -0700
>From:    "T. McCoy" 
>Subject: genealogy software

>Is anybody using genealogy software on their 200LX?

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damn', dude! Take it easy. I think the guy was kidding around. At least =
give him the benefit of a doubt. The guy had vertigo fer crissakes. =
sounds to me like you're the one not gettin' laid.=20

"when the only tool one has is a hammer, everything gets treated like a =
nail"=20

You need some screwdrivers and maybe socket set or somethin'. Take a =
look in the archives for a guy named 'Al Chin'. Makes for some fun =
reading.

Flame on if you will. I got a thick hide and probably won't give a crap. =
I do get a little miffed when I see other people attacked for no good =
reason, tho.

l8r

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> interest,survey
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:02:34 +0000, you wrote:
>=20
> >> Why should Thaddeus change their policy now? The reason I buy=20
> stuff from
> >> them whenever I can is because of their librel policies. If=20
> they change them
> >> they will be less attractive as a distributer since their=20
> prices are rather
> >> high.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> >Hey, John, can't bring yourself to even spell LIBERAL (gd&r)
>=20
> Hey Fred, do you ever get laid? But even though you don't you spell
> properly right? :)
>=20
> >
> >Fred (who is way behind in messages due to Vertigo attack!)
>=20
> John (who was bugged about spelling and engliswh in grammer school but
> was more interested in girls, science and basketball!! Who has also
> discovered that in real life people who are anal about spelling are
> usually quite obsessive and nerdy and make good secritarial pool
> supervisers but not much else. )
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 04:12 pm, Paul Wagner wrote:
> Hi Avi,
>
> as far as I know, this is true for the whole world, since
> algorithms and mathematical methods are out of scope of
> traditional patents.

The rules were changed a number of years ago and I believe
it now possible in the US to get a patent on a computer
program. You do have to jump through some hoops, however.

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Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive
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On Monday 12 August 2002 12:23 pm, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> If Vic will grant me his permission to speak my mind, not
> legal advice  - I

I have invoked the magic words and granted your wish. :-)

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Al,

I _PAY_ for services that are less thoughtfull and proactive(Worldcom =
T1, yikes!). Thanks for the 'heads up'. You're a swell guy.

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> Kind
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>=20
>=20
> Just so you don't panic ;-)
>=20
> On Sunday, August 11th, beginning at 6:30 AM(EST) and

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:29 -0400
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A few weeks ago Richard Smith wrote to the list that he could not get his
Accurite Travel Floppy to work in his 32MB doublespeed 200lx, but it worked
OK in his Omnibooks.  I have one of the Accurite floppies that hadn't given
me any trouble with my doublespeed so I offered Richard diagnostic
assistance.
Richard got his floppy to me along with his config.sys, autoexec.bat &
associated startup files.  I plugged in his floppy to my 96MB doublespeed
and had no problems with it (using my config.sys etc.).  Not wanting to muck
up the 200 I use everyday, I took out my backup palmtop (a 32MB doublespeed)
and set it up using Richard's startup configuration.  Neither my floppy or
Richard's worked.  I started trying to sort through the differences and
first realized that Richard was using older Times2 drivers than I was.  Made
the changes and rebooted the palmtop and it worked with his drive!  I called
Richard and proclaimed my success.  Powered the palmtop off, changed to my
drive and then it would not work!!  Put his back in and it still wouldn't
work. :-(
To sum up what I've come up with (after trying many different
configurations, reboots and reinitializations of the c: drive and the 32MB
drive):
In the 32MB 200 with all the drivers etc. that I use in the 96MB 200, I can
get it to work after a complete initialization of the small C: and then copy
the startup files from a flash card.  Either of the drives will work great
until I press the "on" key.  When I turn it off and on again everything else
seems to work except the ability to read either of the floppy drives.  In
DOS it will change to the "F" prompt, but if I do a dir or anything else,
the drive light lights, I hear the disk spin, the drive light goes off and
then the palmtop locks up.  I've waited as long as for half an hour and
nothing happens.  I have to do the control-shift-on thing to gain control of
the palmtop again.  Even the power button has no effect.
I can overwrite all the files on the little C: with the ones that had just
worked and it will still lock up.  BUT, if I reinitialize that small C:,
copy the same files back and then reboot, it will work again, just ONCE
more.  I do not need to reinitialize the 32MB drive to get it working again.
Again, I do NOT have this problem with the 96MB 200 using exactly the same
startup files.  I can power it off and on and both floppies will continue to
work fine.
Also, I haven't had a problem like this in the single speed 200's I tried
this on.  And both of the doublespeed conversions were done by Thaddeus, if
someone is wondering if that might be the difference.
Any ideas or assistance from the combined knowledge of  the group will be
greatly appreciated?
Thanks and sorry for the length of this posting,
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:57 +0200
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Hi Roger,

06h56m ago Roger Whitmarsh wrote:

> Word 6.0 runs on the LX?? I thought 5.5 was the last?
> Or are you talking about running it under Win3?

No, it works well under plain DOS. Even supports true type fonts!
I have not really used it, though, so I cannot comment on setup. But I
have once installed it and tried it, I think, and it worked.


GTX
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:54:52 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre


> As long as your documents are not too tricky and you don't need
the
> advanced features you just named, the combination of a good
PostScript
> printer driver and Ghostscript on Windows is a free and mostly
well
> working way to produce PDF on Windows (so far, it works with all
the
> Word documents our folks here have fed to it, but barfs on some
> PowerPoint slides). I use it here at my current employer to give
every
> Windows machine a "PDF printer" for free.

I've tried installing Ghostscript on my computer time and time
again.  I finally gave up.  I've never been able to make it work at
all.

I've asked for help on various newsgroups, including some newsgroup
for ghoststrip, and been offered lots of suggestions and none
worked.  I finally gave up.

I'm not an amateur at this but I can't do it.  Think how many
amateurs can't do it.

I admit it's probably because of something else I have installed.
I do have a lot installed.  But I don't have the same things
installed with win98 that I had with win95 or win31 but it never
worked there either.

I know a lot of you will tell me that you just simply install it
and use it.  I've heard that often enough.  But it just ain't so.
Ghostscript does not work.  You're fooling yourselves.  :)

Ghostscript, to me, is a very bad choice.

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For what it is worth,
I have one of the older 200lx's (SG423......) that has the BIOS version 1.00
A instead of the more common 1.02 A.
(Anyone got an older one out there?)
In the past I've tried to figure what some of the differences were between
it and the 200's with the more "normal" BIOS.  During all the rebooting and
reinitializing I was doing yesterday while working on the Accurite floppy
mystery, I finally figured out one BIG difference.  The older one does not
respond to Control-Shift-On.
This was my first LX that I bought in the summer of '94.  Over the years,
I'd get it hung up a few times and I remember now that I had trouble
resetting it.  I usually had to pull the batteries to get it to reset.
(Makes you keep your backups up to date!)  I thought that whatever happened
had hung it so badly that it didn't even recognize the keystrokes.  When it
hung and didn't respond again yesterday, I pulled the batteries, left it
alone a few minutes and replaced them.  After setting up the time and owner
info and nothing else, I pressed the reset key combination and NOTHING
happened.
I guess they had to fix that bug.  Can anyone else with that BIOS version
double-check my results?
Later,
bob

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:05:02 -0400
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On Monday 12 August 2002 12:27 pm, Alexander Schreiber
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:48:28AM -0400, Victor Roberts
wrote:
> As long as your documents are not too tricky and you
> don't need the advanced features you just named, the
> combination of a good PostScript printer driver and
> Ghostscript on Windows is a free and mostly well working
> way to produce PDF on Windows (so far, it works with all
> the Word documents our folks here have fed to it, but
> barfs on some PowerPoint slides). I use it here at my
> current employer to give every Windows machine a "PDF
> printer" for free.
>

Does Ghostscript allow you to password protect the PDF so a
person with Adobe Acrobat can't change it?
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:10:55 +0200
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:05:02PM -0400, Victor Roberts wrote:
> On Monday 12 August 2002 12:27 pm, Alexander Schreiber
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:48:28AM -0400, Victor Roberts
> wrote:
> > As long as your documents are not too tricky and you
> > don't need the advanced features you just named, the
> > combination of a good PostScript printer driver and
> > Ghostscript on Windows is a free and mostly well working
> > way to produce PDF on Windows (so far, it works with all
> > the Word documents our folks here have fed to it, but
> > barfs on some PowerPoint slides). I use it here at my
> > current employer to give every Windows machine a "PDF
> > printer" for free.
> >
>
> Does Ghostscript allow you to password protect the PDF so a
> person with Adobe Acrobat can't change it?

I'm not sure, but as far as I know, it doesn't. Thats why I wrote "if
you don't need the advanced features" ;-)

If all you need is a way to generate usable PDF out of your documents,
it's usually fine. But if need access to the more advanced features of
PDF I suppose you need some other software (like the one you purchased).

Regards,
     Alex.
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Eduardo,

I just rec'd this myself.  Thanks for the idea.  I shall spam him back.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:56:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 03:00 pm, Niels wrote:
> Yeah, there is not statement like that, though it is
> limited to one rebate per product, which is, in my eyes,
> completely fair :)
>
> link:
> http://www.vstore.com/rebate/toshiba/toshiba_2GBhdd.pdf.

I stand corrected. There is no statement about "one per
person or household."

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:11:26 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> Also, if he's willing to use ANSI.sys he can remap function keys in
> Dos.  I'm not sure if that'll affect System manger.

That reminds me (and sorry, this is not LX but at least DOS):
German keyboards have a comma in the numeric pad instead of a dot. This
is easily rectified for windows, but I have not so far managed it for
DOS. Nothing under ANSI.SYS did it and some TSRs recommended were much
too big and powerful for my liking. Does anybody here have a neat and
small solution?

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:50:42 +0200
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PeterSwinbank@aol.com wrote:
> Where would my " (8U " appear for example in your " 
>  " ?
> Is the "initialization sequence" set up with the Lotus program?

Yes of course, that is the menu-submenu tree to get to it. As I said,
the names of the entries will be a bit different in non-german machines
but the structure will be the same.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:07:10 +0200
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On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 04:36:52PM -0500, Tim wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On my Linux PC, I'm running Mandrake 8.2 (uses the Redhat RPM structure for
> adding programs) and KDE 3.0.2 as my GUI.
>
> I'll still take step 1 - Cross my fingers! .
>
> Any dif. between what to edit for Mandrake?

On a Debian Linux system look for a line

#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100

in /etc/inittab and remove the hash mark. Then save the file and force
init to reload the inittab by executing "init q". Now you have serial
terminal listening on the first serial port with the standard settings
(i.e. 9600 8,n,1). Oh: you need to do these steps as root.

On Mandrake, just adding the line

T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100

to the end of /etc/inittab, installing getty and reloading the inittab
(the "init q" above) should work.

Regards,
        Alex.
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Sorry, but I am pretty fed up with all these items on sale with their rebates.  These companies end up keeping your money and making money from it while you wait for the rebate check in the distant future.  Why don't they just sell us the item at the
price we want instead of playing these games?

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With most rebates there is a limit of one to a person or
home address. How can this 'contact" obtain rebates for
more than one drive?????????



On Sunday 11 August 2002 08:25 am, pksharma wrote:
> hello friends
>
> i have a contact in usa who's willing to take the
> trouble of buying it, receiving it, and shipping
> it outside usa on splitting the rebate 50/50
> ($50 goes to him $50 benefit goes to buyer)
>
> all costs to ultimate buyers' account :
>
> 1. cost of item
> 2. s/h and air parcel postage charges
>     from supplier to him
> 3. air parcel postage charges from him
>     to ultimate buyer
> 4. any othe ACTUAL cost
>
> the scheme is this from gateway :
>
> buy by paying in full ..
> receive the item ..
> print out the discount claim form
> enclose the original bill/receipt
> enclose the original product id from the carton
>
> and post all this to Toshiba
>
> Toshiba will remit the rebate to buyer
> within a few days of receiving the application
> duly filled in
>
> the item must be purchased within 15th august
>
> and the application must be filed within 30th sept
>
> my contact's terms are therefore :
>
> he will despatch the item to ultimate seller against
> full payment of whatever is paid to gateway and
> he will remit $50 when received from toshiba
>
> if he doesn't get .. for whatever reasons .. he
> doesn't remit .. he loses his $50 too ..
>
> what if he receives AND even then doesn't
> remit the $50 ? .. well THAT can't happen ..
> i'll know if he received it at all or not .. that's
> almost certain ..
>
> i've taken the risk .. its a $50 risk anyway
> and the item is worth $112.50 original price
> too ! i've bought 5 of them ..
>
> just thought i'll share what i did with all the
> nice people here
>
> good to be back.. sorry for the looong msg
> (bandwidth and all that) but this is too good
> to pass
>
> (as someone already pointed out .. it may
> probably not work on the hplx200 !)
>
> obviously my contact is not standing guarantee
> for the product's working or not working on
> the lx200 !
>
> ..pk
>
> pls reply to pksharma@india.com directly
> if interested ..
>
>

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:38:58 +1200
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Daniel wrote:
>So, if anyone here uses e.g. a Citizen PN 60 pocket printer and Word
>6.0 on the palmtop, this may be something for you.
Word 6.0 runs on the LX?? I thought 5.5 was the last?
Or are you talking about running it under Win3?
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:36:55 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Penick" 
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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: 200lx BIOS differences


> For what it is worth,
> I have one of the older 200lx's (SG423......) that has the BIOS
version 1.00
> A instead of the more common 1.02 A.
> (Anyone got an older one out there?)
> In the past I've tried to figure what some of the differences
were between
> it and the 200's with the more "normal" BIOS.  During all the
rebooting and
> reinitializing I was doing yesterday while working on the
Accurite floppy
> mystery, I finally figured out one BIG difference.  The older one
does not
> respond to Control-Shift-On.
> This was my first LX that I bought in the summer of '94.  Over
the years,
> I'd get it hung up a few times and I remember now that I had
trouble
> resetting it.  I usually had to pull the batteries to get it to
reset.
> (Makes you keep your backups up to date!)  I thought that
whatever happened

The 95lx had a bug that if you assigned more than a certain amount
of memory to C: it would now and then also use that as system
memory and corrupt C:.  Or something like that.  I don't remember
the exact details.

Also, any time you crashed (I did a lot of programming, hence a lot
of crashing) the odds were high that A: and C: were corrupt.
Protecting them from crashes was one of the big improvements in the
100lx.

I used SRAM cards and they had a write protect switch.  I kept it
locked unless I was going to write to A:.  Then I'd flip the
switch, write, and flip it back.   Because flash cards didn't have
write protect switches I refused to get one on the 100lx for a long
time.  I just didn't trust that.  Finally I began to believe it
after a year when nobody had any corrupt A: drives and I never got
a corrupted C: drive.  Then I bought my first flash card.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:42:43 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Euro sign


> That reminds me (and sorry, this is not LX but at least DOS):
> German keyboards have a comma in the numeric pad instead of a
dot. This
> is easily rectified for windows, but I have not so far managed it
for
> DOS. Nothing under ANSI.SYS did it and some TSRs recommended were
much
> too big and powerful for my liking. Does anybody here have a neat
and
> small solution?

I'd say offhand that it would be fairly easy to write a simple TSR
to do just this.  I can't see why it would be more than 100 or so
bytes written in asm if that's all it does and it's all hard coded.
Any German assembly programmers here?

Since the OS we use is Dos isn't Dos on topic here?  It sure seems
to me that it would be, even if the topic isn't LX specific.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:46:29 -0500
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Because....
1) They get to keep your money for a while.
2) Not everyone sends them in.
3) If they are actually trying to stimulate sales, it insures
that the retailers actually pass the lower price on to customers.
Otherwise they can lower the wholesale price, and retailers just
keep the old retail price and pocket the difference, and sales
aren't improved. This way the customer actually sees the lower
price and sales improve.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:23:05 +0200
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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: non-widescreen 320x200 display


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:29 PM
> Subject: non-widescreen 320x200 display
>
>
> > Hello there...
> >
> > does anyone know if (and how) I can run programs which require
> 320x200
> > resolution in 320x200 resolution? Normally these are run in a
> widescreen
> > mode where every pixel takes 2 horizontal pixels. This way things
> look
> > extremely stretched :) And I think it is *theoretically*
> possible, but how
> > about *practically* possible. I did not find anything about that
> in the
> > manual but I might have overlooked, because i've hardly looked in
> it ('cuz
> > this thing is sooooo ez to operate :D).
>
> Actually the way it works with a pixel in 320x200 mode being twice
> as wide as the pixel in 640x200 mode, is the way it works on any
> PC.  The difference is the LX screen is wider and not as tall so
> everything is automatically out of proportion.  It's not a
> resolution problem.  It's the shape of the screen.

Yep. U're absoluteley right on that :) but I was hoping there was some tool
(either from hp or some clever hp-hacker :D) to fix it. I have the same
thing with my laptop (even worse) it has an 800x600 display (it's almost as
old as my friendly compagnion, mister hp700lx, which explains the poor
resolution) and when I run it in 640x480, some pixels get enlarged, some
not. You don't know how happy I was to find some strange driver which fixed
something and make it use 640x480 pixels...! Makes the image smaller off
course, but it looks sooo much better :D. But it was some vesa kinda thing
which won't work on a HP palmtop :(.


Niels

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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:16:14 -0500
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I know there's alot of Libretto and PC110 owners on this list. If your
looking for a nice case this is one. Plenty of room for a libretto or
PC110 plus adapter and cards. I ws using a targus hwever it is a
little too small for the libretto and cards and there is no room for
adapter and cables. Might be pretty good for the 200LX too if you
carry alot of stuff with it. I jst bght 1 and it is prty cl.

On sale right now.

http://www.pda-concepts.com/

John

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:49:32 -0500
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> 1 day 15h22m ago Barry wrote:
>
> > If you really want to use the 200lx for this I think creating 200lx
> > presentations would be feasable.  I don't know of a program for
> > this but I'd be a little surprised if something isn't available.
>
> How about one of the two really portable solutions for creating
> presentations:
>
> * LaTeX with SliTeX
> * HTML with CSS2

Thanks for the good ideas, but my employer has standardized on
PowerPoint--I don't really have the luxury of using anything else.

--
Ted Heise            West Lafayette, IN, USA

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:48:28 -0400
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On Monday 12 August 2002 10:02 am, Alexander Schreiber

> Strong ACK. If somebody sends me something in Word, Excel
> or PowerPoint format his mail either gets directly
> handled by the friendly /dev/null nearby or, if it was
> important, I complain and tell the person in question to
> send me the stuff in a readable format (usually plain
> text is sufficient, but I'd accept PDF if necessary).
> This already _did_ cost a company a sale. When I was
> looking to purchase a SUN workstation for my current
> employer, the first company we asked for an offer did
> send it in MS Word. Great. Back went a complaint how I
> was supposed to read this on a SUN workstation[0] and
> that the salesdroid should send it in plain text, PDF or
> even HTML. Half a day later, a fax arrives. Salesdroid
> sends email that this was the easiest way. Thank you very
> much for showing your incompentence - another vendor got
> the order for the SUN workstation (and _this_ vendor used
> only plain text in his mails).

Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in
Word is not only impolite it is very poor business
practice. Any Word or Power Point document can be easily
edited, so there is absolutely no security. (The so-called
Read-Only password "protection" in Word still allows a
modified version of the document to be saved under a
different name.)

I just purchased an excellent PDF converter than allows me
to convert all business memos, presentations etc to PDF
format, and password protect them from any changes. yes, I
know the password protection can be cracked with some
effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked with
enough effort.  This is still better then sending out
documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.

--
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Date:         Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:23:04 +0100
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John,

> Hmm...  Too bad that one can't get the "FS:" posts in real time and
> everything else in digest form. :-/

.... or have the List processor retain the "FS:" until the Digest gets
compiled and then send both the "FS:" and the Digest at the same time.

As the digest is sent in the middle of the night in the USA, the European
HPLX subscribers would for once have an advantage.

 \/
 /ves
 ... a digest subscriber from Switzerland 

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:55:46 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John_Evans" 
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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive


> Sorry, but I am pretty fed up with all these items on sale with
their rebates.
> These companies end up keeping your money and making money from
it
> while you wait for the rebate check in the distant future.  Why
don't they just
> sell us the item at the price we want instead of playing these
games?

Because we keep buying more when they offer rebates.

It's the same reason they sell things for $1.99 instead of $2.  In
the days before automation that added slightly to the cost of
selling.  It probably still does a little.  But it paid for itself
because we think something for $1.99 is a dollar cheaper than
something for $2.  We know better.  Sort of. :)

The problem is that humans are basically suckers.  The only
consolation is that marketers and salesmen and other hucksters are
usually the most gullible when it comes to this kind of stuff. :)

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:00:46 +0100
Reply-To:     "Svagr, Radek" 
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I have one question especially for german friends.

Is there a way how to acess internet from my 200lx using a D1 (preferrably)
or Eplus prepaid
SIM Card?

Last time in Germany I didn't find a way. "Free internet" numbers were
blocked or needed
registration with adress in germany.

Fortunately I was last time on the border with Belgium so I used their (also
much cheaper) dialups.
But now I will be in Speyer so no belgian network:-(

Radek

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:03:05 -0400
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Hi John,
I'll take a shot at your question since I'm the one that originally posted
to the Omnibook list about this "bargain".
One, frequently it is the maker rather than the vendor that offers the
rebate.  So the vendor is not the one that could cut the price without
losing money.
Two, I figure that the ones that are offering the rebates know that only a
small percentage of the sales actually successfully qualify for the rebate.
If they cut the price on every unit they would pay out on 100 percent.
Three, (standing with you on this one) I've noticed in my history of looking
for bargains, that as the amount of the rebate goes up, the frequency of
"lost" rebate requests has increased proportionately.  Keep notes and copies
of everything.  Last year HP had a $75 rebate on the 48GX that was not well
publicized.  I finally got my money after faxing them everything 3 times.
Six months after the rebate ended!
But if I can get a 2GB backup card for my laptops for $12.95, I think it's
worth a little effort.
Later,
bob
PS - Still hoping someone will send me a copy of the "Ace" driver for large
cards.  I know this card uses too much power for the internal slot, but I'd
love to try it in my DoubleSlot using the AC adapter when it arrives.  The
Toshiba spec sheet says it is PC Card Type II and ATA compliant.  Isn't that
what we need?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John_Evans"
Subject: Re: Toshiba 2GB PC Card Drive


> Sorry, but I am pretty fed up with all these items on sale with their
rebates.  These companies end up keeping your money and making money from it
while you wait for the rebate check in the distant future.  Why don't they
just sell us the item at the price we want instead of playing these games?
>
> john

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:10 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Euro sign


> The non-LX noise level is so high lately that I'm
> considering signing off hplx-l and just searching the archives
> as I need info.

I'd like to speculate on a possible reason for this.

The LX is a very mature system.  A lot of people have dug in and
found a lot of solutions to a lot of problems and spread the word
on HPHAND, then on the Palmtop Paper, and here.  There's not nearly
as much mystery about it as there used to be.

So, maybe the off-topic talk is to keep this thing alive.  We still
do learn new things about the machine and we still do solve more
problems.  It's still worth the effort.  But there just isn't as
much of it now.  And maybe by filling in the gaps a little we keep
this still useful group going.

And maybe we overdo it sometimes.  I know I do.  But we all know a
lot about a lot of non-lx things and it's hard not to talk about
them.

When this becomes a problem for you I'd like to suggest mentioning
it.  As you just did.  We're pretty polite and accomodating.  And
if we forget and get carried away again and you mention it again,
it'll probably help again.

Also keep in mind that a lot of the exactly on topic stuff here is
totally extraneous to some of us.  I haven't the slightest interest
in modems or internet access with the lx or in their use with
bluetooth or cell phones or networking.  I'm sure I'm not the only
one.  But that's totally on topic and it's useful to a lot of
others so I just don't read those posts.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:03:28 +1200
Reply-To:     Tony Hutchins 
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02h40m ago bnj@MYREALBOX.COM wrote:

> Friends,
> Now I'm more confused than ever!

But Bob it sounds like everything is working on Monday :)
Congrats!

I read your post and can't solve the mystery. I thought it
might be something to do with the power up/down sequence.
The card isn't hot-swappable AFAIK so sawpping with the
palmtop on could cause the hang. Or it could be something to
do with powering the drive itself (the timing of when the
adapter is plugged in). It really sounds like a power problem
makes the palmtop hang.

BTW I see you use myrealbox - I have found it a very good
service.

> I'm blaming it on the Perseids!

LOL!

-Tony
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09
 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:15:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Larry Tachna 
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Subject:      Re: RoboWeb rwebfile.scr problem
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>>Is there a limit in number of paths?

yes there is but you can increase the space by running

command.com with /e:xxx /p

as the first line of your autoexec.bat

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:47:51 -0400
Reply-To:     Larry Tachna 
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>>i thought so too .. but on scrutiny of the terms
>>of rebate .. i find no such condition

there will be the next time after you guys get through with them LOL

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:24:57 +0200
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Le Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:26 +0200
Axel Berger  a icrit:

> and if I keep it my
> great-grandchildren will still have the unlimited right to read it.

In fact, he will perhaps have all rights about it (reading, re-publishing,
etc...), if the text is fallen in public domain (75 years after the
death of the author, according to the French laws).

Jacques.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:55:00 +0100
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You should have on the other side of memory upgrade soldering pads for
another two chips. Is that right?
They are not the same size and _maybe_ not 100% pin compatible but you can
desolder original 512KB
chips and connect them to these pads. Before doing that make sure the corect
pinouts. Or wait, I have it
on the table just now because I need some more storage space inside my
200lx. Also it will be
necessary to connect two pads marked as PD1, PD2 (???) directly to the
hornet chip.

Radek

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> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:41 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
> tell me more............
> where do I get the instructions for doing this????
> I have done some limited surface mount stuff before,
> so I think I could manage this,
>
> regards,
>
> Kerwin Robertson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Svagr, Radek 
> To: 
> Sent: 09 August 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
>
> If you have good soldering skills you can add it to the 4MB and get in
total
> 6MB...
>
> Radek
>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:43:36 +1200
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 08h47m ago, on 11 Aug, 2002, Tomas Moberg wrote:=09=09

> rwebfile.SCR starts but it exits back to post/lx right away.
> And I dont know why.

Is rwebfile.bat in your local directory?

If the script runs it will make a rwebftmp.bat there which has
one line like this: pns200 c:\other\7.gif

That will only work if pns200 is in your DOS path.

> And one more thing: I have put ExtProg=3Dextprogs.bat in post.cfg:
> ROBOT -p "RWEB1 po"
> c:\io\www\robot.exe c:\io\www\robot\abc.scr
>
> The last line is a script that telnets to my Unix account via mu X-box
> Interact.
> But when I run roboweb/lx that script is also run eaven though I have
> not marked the Interact box for visit.

The abc.scr needs to check if interact is marked for visit - at
the beginning it needs a 4-line structure along these lines:

~ index interact.I2
if (found visit) ok
x
:ok

HTH
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:36:37 +0200
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I have given roboweb a try and i am glad I did.
It clearly is better than to use a web to email server.
But I am having som problems.

I can not view .gif and .jpg images in post/lx roboweb map (i can do this =
with
attached .jpg and .gif via pns200 in my mail box)

I have added rwebfile.bat $f in post.cfg [external] and rwebfile.scr in
my script directory.

When i try the included "Stock chart: DCX Extra" i can manualy view the
file c:\io\www\temp\6.jpg but not while inside post/lx pressing ctrl-X
and rwebfile..bat

rwebfile.SCR starts but it exits back to post/lx right away.
And I dont know why.

And one more thing: I have put ExtProg=3Dextprogs.bat in post.cfg:
ROBOT -p "RWEB1 po"
c:\io\www\robot.exe c:\io\www\robot\abc.scr

The last line is a script that telnets to my Unix account via mu X-box
Interact.
But when I run roboweb/lx that script is also run eaven though I have
not marked the Interact box for visit.

Help -thanks

      /tomas moberg
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:54 +0200
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So follow this link...

http://386page.gooddays.org/os/index.html

Martin

-----Original Message-----
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--
 08h47m ago, on 11 Aug, 2002, Tomas Moberg wrote:       =09

> rwebfile.SCR starts but it exits back to post/lx right away.
> And I dont know why.

Is rwebfile.bat in your local directory?

If the script runs it will make a rwebftmp.bat there which has
one line like this: pns200 c:\other\7.gif

That will only work if pns200 is in your DOS path.

> And one more thing: I have put ExtProg=3Dextprogs.bat in post.cfg:
> ROBOT -p "RWEB1 po"
> c:\io\www\robot.exe c:\io\www\robot\abc.scr
>
> The last line is a script that telnets to my Unix account via mu X-box
> Interact.
> But when I run roboweb/lx that script is also run eaven though I have
> not marked the Interact box for visit.

The abc.scr needs to check if interact is marked for visit - at
the beginning it needs a 4-line structure along these lines:

~ index interact.I2
if (found visit) ok
x
:ok

HTH
-Tony
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0200
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Hi David

20h59m ago David Becher wrote:

> Set up a list of "good" to addresses, and then read incoming mail in =
the
> following manner - Read the headers, & check the TO list. If the =
address is
> in the "good" list - read the rest of the mail. If not DONT delete it, =
move
> onto the next. Then while reading your mail you can check whether you =
want to
> download the entire message or delete it from the server without =
downloading it.
> Im pretty sure that this would work with IMAP.

That way you would miss messages directed to you by a BCC, or even, if
you only parse the To header, CC. Or wou wouldn't miss it, since you
wouldn't delete it, but it would not be downloaded on the first run.
If that's useful depends on how often you get BCC'ed mail.

GTX
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:55 +0200
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Hi Niels

12h02m ago Niels wrote:

> RDT2T will or will not recognize the upgrade    <--- is this true, or =
will
> it _always_ recognize the upgrade and give access to it??? or will it
> recognize it, but give an error as soon as you try to read from it???
> if RDT2T will swap upgrade and orignal if upgraded has been recognized, =
else
> it will not.

My experience is that it always detects the upgrade and if it is not
initialized yet (but doesn't contain valid data anymore, either) the
drvier will ask you to agree to the initialization and then initializes
it.

GTX
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:46 +0200
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Hi friends

1 day 15h22m ago Barry wrote:

> If you really want to use the 200lx for this I think creating 200lx
> presentations would be feasable.  I don't know of a program for
> this but I'd be a little surprised if something isn't available.

How about one of the two really portable solutions for creating
presentations:

* LaTeX with SliTeX (or plain TeX with an addition my brother created
exactly for that purpose - creating presentation, don't know the name
currently, can look it up if interested), would work on the palmtop
using my LXTeX and on any other system, no matter if Linux, Windows,
DOS, OS/2 or even Mac, I think

* HTML with CSS2 - display is not supported on the LX, but creation is
easy, because it is plain ASCII, and it can be viewed as a presentation
on any machine which can run Opera 6. Even the non-registered version
of Opera 6 orks, because its ad banners are not shown in full-screen
mode. :-)

To test the HTML/CSS2 solution, you can download Opera 6 from
www.opera.com (Linux and Windows versions available) and have a look at
either the demo presentaations on www.opera.com (look for OperaShow
Tutorial) or a presentation I have created, on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/studienarbeit\zw_ber
Press F11 in Oera for full-screen presentation mode. I don't know if
other browsers support CSS2 finally, but Opera 6 does.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:28:05 -0400
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Tony,
While trying all the things I did, I always kept the palmtop plugged into
the adapter and also kept the floppy drive plugged in.  I never hot-swapped
the drive or controller card, but always powered down (I used the "on"
button.) when I made some exchange.  The failure was occurring even when I
did not make a change other than powering down and up.  It made no
difference whether I was in filer looking at the floppy or not.  No matter
what I was doing at the time if I powered off and on it stopped working.
Today is a new day though!!!  Maybe it just didn't want to work on the
weekend.
I think it works out to be one of those things where I blame the software
when it doesn't work and the software guys blame the hardware.  And no one
cares while it is working.
Yes I've been a very satisfied user of myrealbox for about 3 years IIRCC.
Only time they've let me down recently was just this past Thursday.  First
outage in many months.
Later,
bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hutchins"

I read your post and can't solve the mystery. I thought it
might be something to do with the power up/down sequence.
The card isn't hot-swappable AFAIK so sawpping with the
palmtop on could cause the hang. Or it could be something to
do with powering the drive itself (the timing of when the
adapter is plugged in). It really sounds like a power problem
makes the palmtop hang.

BTW I see you use myrealbox - I have found it a very good
service.

> I'm blaming it on the Perseids!

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:22:48 +0200
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Hi Niels

21h21m ago Niels wrote:

> Hmmm I have thought of checking file names, but if I just don't place
> anything on my c-drive but use the internal programs of the hp-lx, like
> appointment manager or the phone book, the file names stay the same =
though
> the size does not. I guess it'll be a better idea for the program to =
just
> check the existence of a single file ('be_there.txt' :) )

Yes, probably this is the easiest, most conveniet, fastest and safest
solution. Let your backup exe create a hidden / system file
c:\_dat\backup~~.$$$ on each backup, and the restore function in
autoexec.simply checks for existence of that file.

>     My program will be using static file-names as well, it will work =
alike
> this:
>
> check voltage
> check databases

Maybe you oculd incorporate database check into the backup routins, so
that every ?db file is checked directly before it's backupped, and if
it is not okay, then it is not backupped, and a log entry is written
that the file is corrupt. Just an idea...

> of couse this can easily be expanded for more files, the principle is =
quite
> simple. However, this will already use alot of space on your flashcard. =
Say,
> you have a 32mb drive, which contents will be 16mb when compressed, you
> already need at least 48mb on your flashcard, just for the backup (old, =
new
> and temp). I do not want to delete the new file, and then create the =
backup,
> because then, if something goes wrong, your most recent backup will be =
lost.

I have a 32MB drive filled up with 8MB EMS (not backupped) and so much
data that 8-10 MB are currently free. i.e. there should be about 16 MB
data on it. My backup dir looks like this

 Volume in drive A is Am
 Directory of A:\BACKUP_C

.                 12-13-01  11:04a
..                12-13-01  11:04a
0_C      ZIP   5731518 08-12-02   3:44a
0_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-12-02   3:18a
0_F      ZIP    129083 08-12-02   3:45a
1_C      ZIP   7135238 08-11-02   2:53a
1_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-11-02   2:24a
1_F      ZIP    129083 08-11-02   2:53a
2_C      ZIP   7219876 08-10-02   3:49a
2_C_PR   ZIP   2850716 08-10-02   3:19a
2_F      ZIP    129083 08-10-02   3:50a
AUTOEXEC BAT       274 12-06-01   8:50p
CONFIG   SYS       398 12-07-01   8:38a
DBCHECK  LOG      2293 08-12-02   3:19a
OMIT2    PKZ        31 12-09-01   9:10p
       15 file(s)   29029025 bytes
                    23810048 bytes free

i.e. total compressed size of C without EMS is about 8-10 MB.

Yes, backups need a lot of space.  :-)

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:15:14 +0200
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Sun, 11.08.02 2:07 PM +0200

Hi friends,

is it just luck or is it a known phenomenon that large (192MB) Sandisk
CF cards work in the Omnigo 100 without any problem, although all docs
and FAQs say that it doesn't work?

Here I can share a 192MB Sandisk CF flawlessly between my 200LX and the
OG100.

With a HP 512kB SRAM card I had problems, though. Formatted in the
OG100 the 200LX complained that it couldn't read the card.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:04:37 +1200
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"Getz" wrote:
>Gateway Accessory Store has the Toshiba 2GB PC
>Card drive for $112.95 - $100 rebate = $12.95.
>Free shipping using a code.
I have one of these babies and that is a fantastic
price for a very nice piece of hardware. It's quite
a good price even without the rebate.
Won't run in the LX though - write current is 500mA.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:02:12 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: HP Backup Utility


> Hello everybody on this list...
>
> I'm working on a backup utility for the HP. It's based on Daniels
backup
> strategy (find it at http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backuplx/)
which seems to
> be a pretty good idea. I am combining this in an .exe, which will
also
> included restore function for easy restore operations. I think
(and hope
> :) ) you are interested in this and will help me with little
advice...
>     This restore function will be used everytime when the
autoexec.bat is
> run (for you have to place it in there :) ) and thus everytime
the palmtop
> has been rebooted. The program will have to check wether the
c-drive has
> been initialized or not. For this, I know two ways of doing that.
>     First, you can do it the way Daniel does this, by checking
for the
> existence of a certain file (spd31.exe, in his example).
>     The second is, to make an index of the c-drive and check the
number of
> files and how many space they use (which is, for my 700lx, 15
files and
> 43539 bytes, this is likely the same for a 200lx, but I don't
know for a
> 100lx).
>     I think the 2nd way to be slightly better (because it will
not trigger
> if just the file is missing, and because it is some strange
coincidence if
> you have 15 files of the same size, but this however might be
true), were it
> not that this is pretty slow (takes a few seconds) so every time
you boot
> the HP you'll have to wait while the c-drive is indexed. But how
much do you
> reboot your HP anyway? So here's my question:
>     Which way would you prefer? Or do you know another (better)
way to check
> if the c-drive is re-initialized or not?

I reboot a lot but that's not why I'd avoid such a utility.  I want
to be able to make decisions like that.  If I don't, something,
sometime, will go wrong and screw things up for me.  Either one of
those billion to one chances (which, statistically, we all
experience regularly) or because gremlins got in my computer.  Now,
I don't believe in gremlins.  But I'm not willing to bet my 200lx
contents on that.

Why not do all the stuff you do to decide if a backup might be
appropriate, and then pop up a screen explaining what you've found
and stating your conclusion that a restore is in order, and ask for
a yes or no, with no as the default.  That way if the user decides
he was wrong he can always reboot and do it again.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: HP Backup Utility


> Oh and you will be able to enter the restore function by pressing
the [ESC]
> key during startup

That's an eventual guaranteed data loss.  My second would then
contact  your second.  :)

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Subject: Re: New Wrinkle on the Nigeria $$$ Hoax


> Folks, i just returned from holidays  :) ... and found another 11
Nigerian
> scam messages. They know i am a doctor from the palmtoppaper
website. They
> also mysteriously intercepted one of my messages to a friend in
Australia
> because his address is used as the sender (how they manage to do
that is
> beyond my comprehension) They must love doctors (money-laundering
urges ?!?)
> Anyway, after the first 100 or so i too began collecting them,
and now i
> have 283 in total - all from different sources in Africa (so it
seems)
> The reason for collecting them? I want to observe the change in
the
> psychology over the years. My favorite one is the South African
who killed a
> rich gold mine owner and wants to clean his soul. So God
Allmighty appeared
> to him threatening death if he doesn't give the loot to charity.
God also
> instructed him to send it to a church overseas.
> Anyone has Falwell as friend and wants to relieve the poor South
African's
> aching soul?

What makes you think Falwell isn't involved?

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:14:44 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: light sleep?


> what's that 'light-sleep' mode of the LX I see mentioned
sometimes. Isn't it
> just ON or OFF? and when it's OFF it's in backup mode (=oopsie)
or in some
> kinda hybernate mode for it keeps it's memory. Or is that what is
called
> 'light sleep'?

The LX goes into light sleep mode while it's waiting for a key to
be pressed.  That way it uses a lot less current when it's not
actually doing anything.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:11:38 -0500
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Eduardo Seudsnimo writes:
> If they can get a reasonable high hit rate on SPAM, ISPs can use it on their
> mail servers without fear of blocking legitimate mail. This would help LXers.

I have been playing around with sorting incoming mail for PNR and have noticed
the follwoing tidbit: About 80% of the spam I get is not directly addressed
to me. What I mean is that if I read the TO: field of the email, my name is
NOT there. Mail from the HPLX list for example is always addressed to the
hplx list. So how about this idea (maybe for www/lx  - which I dont have):

Set up a list of "good" to addresses, and then read incoming mail in the
following manner - Read the headers, & check the TO list. If the address is
in the "good" list - read the rest of the mail. If not DONT delete it, move
onto the next. Then while reading your mail you can check whether you want to
download the entire message or delete it from the server without downloading it.
Im pretty sure that this would work with IMAP.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:06:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: light sleep?
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On Sunday 11 August 2002 10:11 am, Niels wrote:
> Hi
>
> what's that 'light-sleep' mode of the LX I see mentioned
> sometimes. Isn't it just ON or OFF? and when it's OFF
> it's in backup mode (=oopsie) or in some kinda hybernate
> mode for it keeps it's memory. Or is that what is called
> 'light sleep'?

There are three modes (these are not the official names):

1) On (when the LX is doing work).

2) Light Sleep (between key strokes as Barry said)

3) Deep Sleep (when you press the On/Off key or the timeout
occurs after Light Sleep.)

The LX is never off.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:56:09 +0200
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Yes this will be included, as with Daniel's original idea

It will still use external programs to do that for I absoluteley don't have
any idea how to do that.

Thanks,


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:19 AM
Subject: re: HP Backup utility


> hi Niels,
>
> what I use in addition is a voltage check and dbcheck in my backup
> routine. I do not want to run into battery power problems during
> backup and inadvertently save corrupt database files.
>
> cheers,
> Werner
>
> --
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:51:16 -0400
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Hi All:

Yes, you read correctly a 100LX with a 32MB upgrade. It may be one of a KIND
(no pun intended).

It is in good condition, only probem I am aware of is that the PCMCIA door
is "unsprung" (I believe you could open up & fix it, but can't guarantee the
spring is still in there...I think it is?) I also have a SparCom SmartDock,
2 AC adapters, 2(or more) HP->serial cables of various legnths, XJ2144
MODEM, Manual, ACCTON NIC, plus some misc bits.

I have not used this unit for 6 months, so it seems prudent to pass it along
to someone who can make GOOD USE from it. I have been relying on my OB800 &
KYOCERA SmartPhone (Arggg...the dark side) for my mobile computing.

Please make me a reasonable offer for the entire package at
albert.kind@uconn.edu.

Cheers...AJKind

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:48:36 -0400
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Subject:      Re: Old Sofwwre
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> Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in

snip
> know the password protection can be cracked with some
> effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked with
> enough effort.  This is still better then sending out
> documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.

PGP sigantures are probably the best widely used standard and it works =
well with plain text.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:23:53 -0400
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A friend of the family is going to China and they have
asked me if I know if they can connect their US-style
PCMCIA modem to the phone system in China.

I have been to Japan, where the answer is yes, but I have
never been to China. I am hoping someone in this diverse
group can fill be in on the physical and electrical details
of the phone system in China.

China is so large that they may have multiple systems. All
I know is that this person will be in a large city along
the east coast of China. I can find out which city if they
is important.

Thanks
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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:34:30 +0200
Reply-To:     cle.du@WEB.DE
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I've tried a lot of CF's and it doesn't work! But if Daniel is right, I ca=
n olny suggest: RUN! Everybody who has an Ogo NEEDS this CF!!
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
Greetings/MFG
from=A0Cle.Du=A0cu
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Unz=E4hlige=A0Menschen=A0haben=A0V=F6lker=A0und=A0St=E4dte=A0beherrscht,=A0aber=A0ganz=A0wenige=A0nu=
r=A0sich=A0selbst.
(Seneca)
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=5F=5F=5F=5F
Wie ware das: mehrere E-Mail Adressen - aber nur ein Postfach =3F
Kein Problem mit WEB.DE FreeMail - http://freemail.web.de/=3Fmc=3D021127

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:08:46 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> I think your school's web designers are being a little foolish but
> it does take extra time and effort to be really sure a site works
> on other browsers.  And which other browsers?  Netscape is obvious.
> But Lynx or Opera or the many others?

The main reason I found why pages will stay blank in Netscape is real
mistakes like missing end tags, which IE ignores. Those pages are often
done by pupils as an exercise and as such finding and erasing mistakes
is even more important as for a page done commercially. I have taken to
heart what I was taught about text constants in FORTAN IV ca. 1980:
"Every compiler has a nicer way to write those than the 'nHxxx', but
every comopiler has a different way, so for your program to run on any
of them, you do it the hard way."

> But spreadsheets typically can import Excel.  So while
> everyone may not own Excel or Word, nearly everyone can read the
> files.

No, every new version adds incompatibilities on purpose and every one
defaults to writing only its own format and you can *not* set it up as
"default to Lotus". I agree that Works and third party software can
often read most of the content, but as the format is kept secret and
must be reengineered first there is a delay - and dumbasses insist on
always using all new newest gimmiks.
It's a  bit like HTML in mail and newsgroups.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:21:03 +0200
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Avi Meshar wrote:
> So far we agree totally, word for word.
> So Axel, the question begs: "Where is the beef?"
Dunno. Perhaps I am simply less prone to misunderstand what I wrote
myself than what you did.

Or perhaps it is you misunderstanding John sometimes, for in

> I disagree with John in the point that raises that what
> is in his machine is his.

he has elobarated what he means by that, and none of that was more (or
worse) than your birdcage simile. Now the author, be he Gates or
Grisham, may well dislike that use, but he cannot disallow it.

Axel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:37:03 -0500
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Vic, here's some info about phones in China. Good luck!

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: John Xu 
To: Tom Salwasser 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Phone System in China


>
> Tom,
>
> Glad to hear from you. I am fine and as busy as usual.
> Hope to see you again at Indy.
>
> As for the phone system, the phone jack is the same so
> the modem should work fine.  But remmber the
> International call from China is very expensive and
> you cannot use 1-800 number. On the otherhand, The
> hotel may offer computer with internet access.
> Additionally, there are Internet bars everywhere. It
> provides internet access.  You won't be able to hook
> up your computer there but you can check e-mail
> (hotmail, yahoo or using mail2web.com).  It cost only
> about 25 cents a hour. Just ask hotel staff for
> direction.
>
> John
>
> --- Tom Salwasser  wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > How are you? I see you're presenting at MWSUG. I
> > hope to get
> > there, it's my turn to buy dinner!
> >
> > A guy I know was asking about the phone system in
> > China, can you
> > help with his question? Thanks.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:41:08 -0700
Reply-To:     Tom Thiel 
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From:         Tom Thiel 
Subject:      LX Database files on Desktop system?
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Is there a program I can run on my desktop under Win 95 or a DOS window that
will allow me to use my LX's .gdb database files?
--
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tthiel@slonet.org
"Remember, it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that certain je ne sais
quoi" -- Peter Schickele (PDQ Bach)

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:56:13 +0200
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Paul Wagner wrote:
> The expenses of making copies is in the same order of magnitude
> as the price of the book (except in some very unusual cases).

Make it an Audio book then. My comparison will stay just as valid (or
wrong) as it was with the additional similarity of media degradation and
backup copies for my own continued use.

Axel

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:26:12 +0200
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Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> the combination of a good PostScript printer driver

That reminds me: I wanted to write .PS once and I'm sure that at least
one of the many printer drivers supplied with W98 will do it just fine -
unfortunately I don't know the first thing about most of those newer
printers and have no idea, which one to install. Can you help?

Danke
        Axel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:10:28 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: Old Sofwwre
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On Monday 12 August 2002 03:48 pm, Eduardo Fake-O Name-O
wrote:
> > Sending business correspondence, especially quotations,
> > in
>
> snip
>
> > know the password protection can be cracked with some
> > effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked
> > with enough effort.  This is still better then sending
> > out documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.
>
> PGP sigantures are probably the best widely used standard
> and it works well with plain text.

I use PGP but you don't understand this application. I want
anyone to be able to read the document. I just don't want
anyone to be able to change the document.

BTW - there was a security hole reported today for PGP.


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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:22:54 +0800
Reply-To:     "R.S." 
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From:         "R.S." 
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It should work. Lot's of my colleagues from US use their laptops in China,
simply plug in the cable, the connector is the same RJ11.
Only the mobile phone system in China is different from the US.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:00:17 +0800
Reply-To:     "R.S." 
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From:         "R.S." 
Subject:      Re: LX Database files on Desktop system?
Comments: To: Tom Thiel 
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I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.

Roger S.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:03:28 +1200
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From:         Tony Hutchins 
Subject:      Re: Followup: Odd Behaviour with Accurite Travel Floppy
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--
02h40m ago bnj@MYREALBOX.COM wrote:

> Friends,
> Now I'm more confused than ever!

But Bob it sounds like everything is working on Monday :)
Congrats!

I read your post and can't solve the mystery. I thought it
might be something to do with the power up/down sequence.
The card isn't hot-swappable AFAIK so sawpping with the
palmtop on could cause the hang. Or it could be something to
do with powering the drive itself (the timing of when the
adapter is plugged in). It really sounds like a power problem
makes the palmtop hang.

BTW I see you use myrealbox - I have found it a very good
service.

> I'm blaming it on the Perseids!

LOL!

-Tony
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:=09=09
 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH=09=09

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:00:17 -0700
Reply-To:     "Martin G. Ramirez" 
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From:         "Martin G. Ramirez" 
Subject:      Re: LX Database files on Desktop system?
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At 09:00 am 8/13/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.
>
>Roger S.
>
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One question:  Does GDBWin run under Win 3.1X or only Win 95+?

Martin


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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:32:51 -0700
Reply-To:     bobv 
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From:         bobv 
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I have an almost unused PC-110 that I would sell if someone wants to
make an offer.

Bob

----------------
Have you considered an omnibook 600c? It's dirt cheep and will boot from
a
Sandisk card. I have one that I paid $50 for. It's not nearly as small
as
the PC110 but is reasonable. It has a 486/75 and takes 16MB max. It also
gets pretty good battery life when running from flash. I barely use mine
but probably won't get rid of it. It's not worth my time to sell
something
on ebay for which I get < $100 unless it's something I really, really
don't
want. The 600C may come in handy some day.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:40:25 +0800
Reply-To:     "R.S." 
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Comments: To: "Martin G. Ramirez" 
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Sorry, don't know about that. I'm using Win98SE.

Roger

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:01 EDT
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I have been using Family Tree Maker dos version 4.

Kat

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From:         Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject:      Re: Old Sofwwre
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>
> > PGP sigantures are probably the best widely used standard
> > and it works well with plain text.
>=20
> I use PGP but you don't understand this application. I want
> anyone to be able to read the document. I just don't want
> anyone to be able to change the document.

Yeah, I gotcha. PGP does more than encrypt. It can also sign a file or =
email. The signature is generated using the content as a seed with the =
private key. The public key can then be used to verify that the =
signature was generated using the contents of the file or email and the =
private key. Many software developers distribute their software with a =
PGP signature to assure that it has not been tampered with. As long as =
you got the developers public PGP key from another source, you can =
almost guarantee that the file is authentic if the signature matches the =
public key and file contents.=20

In this way, if anyone changes your document, the signature will fail. =
In the case of PDF, they can't alter the PDF file but they might create =
one that looks just like it.

>=20
> BTW - there was a security hole reported today for PGP.

Yeah? I gotta check that out. Redhat still hasn't released a fix for the =
latest openssh problem.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:10:15 -0500
Reply-To:     hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM
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From:         Avi Meshar 
Subject:      Re: Old Sofwwre
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Vic wrote:

>Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in Word is not
>only impolite it is very poor business practice. Any Word or Power Point
>document can be easily edited, so there is absolutely no security.

I feel good about agreeing wholeheartedly with Vic. I am now in the middle
of a war with a braindead organization that not only _standardized_ on
sending emails in text AND in HTML formats, but now enclosing the email
content in an attached DOC file too! This was dumb. Now it is dumber 

Thanks for the support you provide unknowingly.

Avi

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:17:54 -0500
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Hi Vic:

>The rules were changed a number of years ago and I believe it [is] now
>possible in the US to get a patent on a computer program. You do have to
>jump through some hoops, however.

I think it is a process that is patented and usually they embed these in
computer programs. If my memory is not mistaken, there shopping cart is an
invention by Jim Bezos of Amazon.com, and the process itself is patented
and in this case the process is a computer process (i.e. it is embedded in
a program...) I think too that you are right aboutthe hoops - really bad
hoops...

Avi

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 Despite the gruff ASCII letters you pelt me with sometimes, you
_ARE_ a sweet guy, and you _DID_ make my day!


At 8/12/02 11:55 AM, you wrote:
>On Monday 12 August 2002 12:23 pm, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >
> > If Vic will grant me his permission to speak my mind, not
> > legal advice  - I
>
>I have invoked the magic words and granted your wish. :-)
>
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Gutenberg Project! 

At 8/12/02 08:24 AM, you wrote:
>Le Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:26 +0200
>Axel Berger  a icrit:
>
> > and if I keep it my
> > great-grandchildren will still have the unlimited right to read it.
>
>In fact, he will perhaps have all rights about it (reading, re-publishing,
>etc...), if the text is fallen in public domain (75 years after the
>death of the author, according to the French laws).
>
>Jacques.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:23:07 +0200
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Hi Werner and Tony

14h30m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> thanks for sharing this trick, but it has one disatvantage. It is
> wrong spelling and it hurts in my eyes. It is better than an empty
> space though.

Maybe it's powwible to let the =DF display as "ss"? That would only
partially be wrong. ;-)

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:23:09 +0200
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Hi Hans Jacob

11h21m ago Hans Jacob Waern wrote:

> I recently made a contribution re the Euro-sign and proposed using  a =
newer version of the Andrew fonts ( on the SUPER the version is still
> 3.0)
> I myself have since long been using Andrew8 which indeed handles the =
eurosign (fn+e) and abdmoon in addition to being a clean and easily
> readable font.
> I have now been in contact with Andrew H. about uploading the later =
Andrew to Super if there is an interest for this which he readily agreed
> to allow. (Daniel to follow up?)
> I also asked Andrew about getting rid of the slashes through the zeros. =
I only knew of running Buddy and that is a little heavy for only that
> function. He then jproduced as a week end effort an Andrew9 font that =
solves that for those who prefer the uncluttered effect.

Sure, plase send it to super@palmtop.net and I'll upload it with the
next SUPER update! Also the helv200 font modified by M. Salzburger, who
contacted me some days ago, will be uploaded soon, he even made two
different versions, one for CP850 and one for CP437.

Thanks a lot!
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:20:17 -0700
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The earliest common postscript printers were Apple Laser writers -
consequently whenever I need a generic postscript driver I install an
Apple laser writer driver. Lowest common denominator and I have yet to
run across a postscript printer that was not backwards compatible. If
you want colour you may want to choose a later printer driver however.

GaryS


On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 15:26, Axel Berger wrote:
> Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> > the combination of a good PostScript printer driver
>
> That reminds me: I wanted to write .PS once and I'm sure that at least
> one of the many printer drivers supplied with W98 will do it just fine -
> unfortunately I don't know the first thing about most of those newer
> printers and have no idea, which one to install. Can you help?
>
> Danke
>         Axel

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:19 +0200
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hi,

some days ago I asked about a bigfont.pcx containing the german=20
special character "=DF".=20
There was nothing ready from the shelf, so I sat down and modified=20
the existing bigfont.pcx file.=20
I also fixed a cosmetic problem with =DC=C4=D6 characters in the old =
file.
If anybody is interested, please let me know.

cheers,
Werner

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:14:54 +0200
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I have sent my notes on genealogy software directly , for fear
of exceeding the size limit.
But if others are interested, drop me a line.
On the other hand, searching the archives will give you the same
info.

Etienne
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Subject: genealogy software


> Is anybody using genealogy software on their 200LX?
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:36:13 -0400
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Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?

Ron

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:52:34 +0200
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Hallo Radek,

I have no experiences with prepaid cards. You can use from mobile phone only providers, that have a "normal" phone number (*no* numbers starting with 019...). I recommend:

Provider:      Arcor
ID/Name:       arcor
Password:      internet
phone number:  03377 96 99 99 (this is Zossen)
or             030 80 96 10 30 (this is Berlin)
DNS1:          145.253.2.11
DNS2:          145.253.2.75

This line I have used with my HP 700LX plus Nokia PT-11 (E-Plus). Use this script:

[CHAP_Script]
e=Initializing modem
m=
s=\r
w=5 OK
d=
s=\r
w=75 CONNECT
@=0                <--- *important*

You can get some more links, informations and numbers on my homepage:

http://www.lennartz-online.net/einwahl.htm

Dont't forget: These numbers are not cheap. But they work good for e-mailing.


Mit freundlichem Gru_ / Regards / Saluton
Michael Lennartz
www.lennartz-online.net
Fax: +49 89 244 34 52 57

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I have one question especially for german friends.

Is there a way how to acess internet from my 200lx using a D1 (preferrably)
or Eplus prepaid
SIM Card?

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:05:06 +1200
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 02h59m ago, on 13 Aug, 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:=09=09

> There was nothing ready from the shelf, so I sat down and
> modified the existing bigfont.pcx file.

Werner, brilliant work! A must-have for READ/LX - thanks.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:21:29 +0200
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Hi everyone, hope the following is not inappropriate for this list...?

Although I use MS Windows to run several key applications in the office and
my mobile computing needs are via my trusty HP95LX, I now have the need to
invest in a portable computing platform that has a bit more oomph than the
95!  I am VERY reluctant to go the latest notebook / laptop route, mostly
because of the purchase cost (at least R12,000 ~ R16,000 for an entry level
system) and my aversion to using an operating system (Windoze) that over the
years has given me more problems than I need.

The key applications I would like to run are:

Presentations via external display adaptor (could be VGA Greyscale if cost
effective) e.g. Projection system or O/H transparency tablet.
Office type function e.g. Word processing and E-mail with IR printing if
possible (I use a HP 2100 although I can't get it to work with the 95...)
Specialised Project Management (The product I am committed to (World class
South African development) will ONLY run under Windows and if solution
allows use then will be considered a BIG bonus!)
Compatibly with the LX95 (hence the thought of using an Omnibook) will also
be an advantage.

I am confident that I could find DOS based applications to do the above
(except the PM) but maybe another option could be Linux?

I hope nobody objects to me asking the list for advice but from past
experience and noting the quality of feedback provided whenever questions
are asked, I sincerely believe that this is the best forum to try!


All the best from Nigel R in sunny South Africa :)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:51:11 +0200
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Nigel R wrote:
> cost (at least R12,000 ~ R16,000 for an entry level system)
> aversion to using Windoze
> will ONLY run under Windows

It seems that in spite of your misgivings Win is a must. If cost is a
consideration, try used. My main working machine is a 130 MHz Pentium I,
48 MB, 4 GB notebook in a docking cradle running Win98 and most of the
key applications in an emulated Atari on top of that. Connectivity kit
does a very nice and fast 200 LX. Current market value is something like
500 EUR or 5000 ZAR.

Axel

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:53:32 +0200
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I just noticed something funny: In a very quiet environment I can hear
my flash card and it sounds just like a harddisk head stepping. I
suppose it must be a kind of parasitic piezo effect somewhere inside,
but I found it quite surprising all the same.

Axel

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:58:59 +1000
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While looking on the internet, I stumbled across some information about
running DOS on the Nokia 9110.

This machine seems a fair replacement for the LX:
486 CPU
640 * 200 backlit screen
QWERTY keyboard
MMC memory card slot
Cheap to obtain second hand

Anyway, this site has more information:
http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:57:25 +0200
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"R.S." wrote:
> I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.
By all means, take a good look at GDBWIN everybody, and if you like it,
use it. But if you have not already also look at the connectivity pack.
For me that is the better choice by a wide enaugh margin to make them
incomparable. It costs money, agreed, but it really is worth it.

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I know this may be a rehash, but I really need some quick answers.
I love my LX, but I need to get a Windows capable machine to manage
my servers remotely if needed.  I love the size of the old Libretto 50
I have, but it lacks substantial horsepower.

If anyone is willing, please share your thought to a suitable replacement
for the Libretto.  I have been leaning toward a Sony Picture book due to
the size.

Thank you,
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I know this may be a rehash, but I really need some quick answers.

I love my LX, but I need to get a Windows capable machine to manage

my servers remotely if needed.  I love the size of the old Libretto 50

I have, but it lacks substantial horsepower.




If anyone is willing, please share your thought to a suitable replacement

for the Libretto.  I have been leaning toward a Sony Picture book due to

the size.




Thank you,

Shane





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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:50:37 -0400
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 07:53 am, Axel Berger wrote:
> I just noticed something funny: In a very quiet
> environment I can hear my flash card and it sounds just
> like a harddisk head stepping. I suppose it must be a
> kind of parasitic piezo effect somewhere inside, but I
> found it quite surprising all the same.

I think you are hearing the voltage converter in your LX.
It changes pitch when it generates the voltage needed to
write data to the card.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:51 -0500
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Axel Berger wrote:

> "R.S." wrote:
> > I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.

> By all means, take a good look at GDBWIN everybody, and if you like it,
> use it. But if you have not already also look at the connectivity pack.


I use the HP Connectivity Pack for file transfer, but I use a
database apps from one of the OmniBooks as it allows ready cut and
paste between Windows applications.  I've used it contentedly on
Win95, Win98, and Win2k.  I thought it was on SUPER (OB6DSK.ZIP),
but I can't seem to find it now.  If anyone wants a copy, I can
e-mail it-it's just under 1MB.  My understanding is that HP
released it for public use some time ago.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:02:53 -0400
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 12:04 am, Eduardo Fake-O Name-O
wrote:
> > > PGP sigantures are probably the best widely used
> > > standard and it works well with plain text.
> >
> > I use PGP but you don't understand this application. I
> > want anyone to be able to read the document. I just
> > don't want anyone to be able to change the document.
>
> Yeah, I gotcha. PGP does more than encrypt. It can also
> sign a file or email. The signature is generated using
> the content as a seed with the private key. The public
> key can then be used to verify that the signature was
> generated using the contents of the file or email and the
> private key. Many software developers distribute their
> software with a PGP signature to assure that it has not
> been tampered with. As long as you got the developers
> public PGP key from another source, you can almost
> guarantee that the file is authentic if the signature
> matches the public key and file contents.
> In this way, if anyone changes your document, the
> signature will fail.

I use PGP to encrypt sensitive material before I send it
over the Inet, but I never did understand the "sign" issue.
Sounds like I could go back and verify that a document I
signed with PGP was an original. That is useful. However,
it also sounds like anyone can change the document and it
would not be obvious to other people other than me that
this was not my original document. Perhaps I need to use
PGP to "sign" my PDF files.

> In the case of PDF, they can't alter
> the PDF file but they might create one that looks just
> like it.

Well, I hear it is not very hard to break even the 128-bit
password protection in PDF files.  It is also possible for
someone to take a paper copy I give them and edit that and
then photocopy to make what looks like an original.

I can't stop a determined forger no matter what I do. I do
not have the resources of the CIA   I had just became
very uncomfortable sending out business documents in Word
format since they could be changed or "abstracted" by
anyone with a copy of Word.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:05:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
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On Monday 12 August 2002 11:10 pm, hplxmail@alwaysafe.com
wrote:
> Vic wrote:
> >Sending business correspondence, especially quotations,
> > in Word is not only impolite it is very poor business
> > practice. Any Word or Power Point document can be
> > easily edited, so there is absolutely no security.
>
> I feel good about agreeing wholeheartedly with Vic. I am
> now in the middle of a war with a braindead organization
> that not only _standardized_ on sending emails in text
> AND in HTML formats, but now enclosing the email content
> in an attached DOC file too! This was dumb. Now it is
> dumber 
>
> Thanks for the support you provide unknowingly.
>
> Avi

Anytime.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:10:41 -0500
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Theodore Heise wrote:

> I use the HP Connectivity Pack for file transfer, but I use a
> database apps from one of the OmniBooks as it allows ready cut and
> paste between Windows applications.  I've used it contentedly on
> Win95, Win98, and Win2k.  I thought it was on SUPER (OB6DSK.ZIP),
> but I can't seem to find it now.


See here:

http://www.thaddeus.com/ftp/Ob6dsk.zip

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:13:37 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 07:21 am, Nigel R wrote:
>
> I hope nobody objects to me asking the list for advice
> but from past experience and noting the quality of
> feedback provided whenever questions are asked, I
> sincerely believe that this is the best forum to try!

Well, one of the best options is the HP Omnibook 800CT.  Al
Kind just sold a great used system for about $500.
However, these were discontinued over three years ago so it
is getting harder and harder to find systems in good
condition.

I presently use an IBM X21 ThinkPad notebook. This is a
"single spindle" machine like the 800CT but the keyboard is
not as nice, and it does not have the great HP pop-out
mouse or the fantastic HP Suspend function.

The X21 has greater width and length then the 800CT but is
thinner. Overall volume and weight are about the same. Mine
is 600MHz vs. 166MHz for my 800CT. These should be
available used and still under warranty for well under
$1000.  (I believe the current version is the X23.)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:16:49 -0400
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
> Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?

No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.
If you can connect with the Windoes DUN, and no special
software, then WWW/LX -should_ work.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:22:24 -0400
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 09:41 am, Thoms, Shane - SGIG
wrote:
> I know this may be a rehash, but I really need some quick
> answers. I love my LX, but I need to get a Windows
> capable machine to manage my servers remotely if needed.
> I love the size of the old Libretto 50 I have, but it
> lacks substantial horsepower.
>
> If anyone is willing, please share your thought to a
> suitable replacement for the Libretto.  I have been
> leaning toward a Sony Picture book due to the size.

Well, as discussed in another note, I lean toward the IBM
ThinkPad X21, X22, etc series for small notebooks. But,
notebooks are a very personal decision since they require a
personal trade-off between cost, size, weight, screen size
and keyboard quality. Each of us might choose a different
combination and therefore end up with a different machine.
--
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:50:25 -0400
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>=20
> If anyone is willing, please share your thought to a suitable =
replacement
> for the Libretto.  I have been leaning toward a Sony Picture book due =
to
> the size.

I used to use a lib 50 and then a lib 110. The 100 is bigger but has =
higher res screen and a P133. It also has USB.

Have you seen the latest Jap-market-only Libretto's? They look 'SHWEET'.

I can tell you to stay away from Sony Vaio's. They seem to have a lot of =
quality problems. It seems to be across their whole product range. I =
have seen this in multiple shops.

All in all, it really depends on you. Do you travel a lot? Are you a =
touch typist?=20

 I had a Dell Inspiron 4000 with whcih I was happy. It was big but with =
two 3800Mah batteries I could get about 3.5 hours of hard usage. It had =
a nice screen and worked well on my home wireless network. I recently =
replaced it with a Inspiron 8000. The 8000 can be considered more like a =
portable desktop but it has a 1480xsumthin resolution screen and =
built-in CD writer. These are work issued machines so I'll take what I =
can get but, if it were done on my nickel, I would have stayed with the =
4000.=20

BTW: I also have a P133 omnibook 800ct. It's pretty good considering you =
can get a basic one for less than $150. I would take that over a lib 50 =
any day.

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I used to have a 40MB flash card that I paid $220 for and it made some =
noise. The damn thing finally crapped out on me. I forget the name =
brand... but if I ever remember it I'll make sure not to buy that brand =
ever again :-/=20



> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Axel Berger
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:54 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Fluff: Head stepping flash
>=20
>=20
> I just noticed something funny: In a very quiet environment I can hear
> my flash card and it sounds just like a harddisk head stepping. I
> suppose it must be a kind of parasitic piezo effect somewhere inside,
> but I found it quite surprising all the same.
>=20
> Axel
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:10:27 -0400
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PRETEC!
Yuck!!
I had a 20MB.
bob
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Subject: Re: Fluff: Head stepping flash


I used to have a 40MB flash card that I paid $220 for and it made some
noise. The damn thing finally crapped out on me. I forget the name brand...
but if I ever remember it I'll make sure not to buy that brand ever again
:-/

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:11:10 +0200
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The filter file of Goin' Postal allows to skip, delete or get a
message according to various criteria, one of them being the TO
header.
It can indeed prevent downloading a lot of spam, or simply
leaving some messages from known senders on the server.
AFAIK, the file size must be the limiting factor on the list of
conditions.

But then, I guess Post/Lx can do this too

Etienne

----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Napster-style spam eliminator (was: Re: Old DOS
Softwares)


> Eduardo Seudsnimo writes:
> > If they can get a reasonable high hit rate on SPAM, ISPs can
use it on their
> > mail servers without fear of blocking legitimate mail. This
would help LXers.
>
> I have been playing around with sorting incoming mail for PNR
and have noticed
> the follwoing tidbit: About 80% of the spam I get is not
directly addressed
> to me. What I mean is that if I read the TO: field of the
email, my name is
> NOT there. Mail from the HPLX list for example is always
addressed to the
> hplx list. So how about this idea (maybe for www/lx  - which I
dont have):
>
> Set up a list of "good" to addresses, and then read incoming
mail in the
> following manner - Read the headers, & check the TO list. If
the address is
> in the "good" list - read the rest of the mail. If not DONT
delete it, move
> onto the next. Then while reading your mail you can check
whether you want to
> download the entire message or delete it from the server
without downloading it.
> Im pretty sure that this would work with IMAP.
>
> --
> ** David Becher
> ** davidb@netmedia.net.il   davidb@cimatron.co.il
> ** www.cimatron.co.il
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:17:22 +0200
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So far, I have not heard anything, (Well, I know why, if is
faint) but I seem to feel some very light knocks (sometimes).
Never paid much attention to it, but I think it only happens
when a PC card is inside. I'll see if it happens again

Etienne
>
> I just noticed something funny: In a very quiet environment I
can hear
> my flash card and it sounds just like a harddisk head
stepping. I
> suppose it must be a kind of parasitic piezo effect somewhere
inside,
> but I found it quite surprising all the same.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Avi Meshar" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Old Sofwwre


> Vic wrote:
>
> >Sending business correspondence, especially quotations, in Word
is not
> >only impolite it is very poor business practice. Any Word or
Power Point
> >document can be easily edited, so there is absolutely no
security.
>
> I feel good about agreeing wholeheartedly with Vic. I am now in
the middle
> of a war with a braindead organization that not only
_standardized_ on
> sending emails in text AND in HTML formats, but now enclosing the
email
> content in an attached DOC file too! This was dumb. Now it is
dumber 
>
> Thanks for the support you provide unknowingly.

I'll agree to this extent:  I think text is always the preferred
method for transferring information if it's adequate to the
situation.  And I will concede (with some reluctance) that HTML is
probably the best second choice if text won't handle all the
requirements and HTML will.

For myself I prefer a Word document or an RTF document to HTML
simply because it's easier to turn it into text formatted the way I
like.  I transfer a lot of stuff to the LX and a lot of ebooks to
the Palm.  Palm doesn't want text but converting from either text
or word is trivial.  Converting from HTML works ok but it's more
work and usually means some formatting has to be done manually.

The one I like least (unless I'm going to use it as reference on my
desktop) is PDF.  I find Acrobat to be clumsy and they're willing
to make changes from version to version that render documents
unusable.  I have a couple of PDF protected books that will no
longer be readable when I upgrade to Acrobat 5.0.  So far I havent
needed to but eventually those books ($25 each) will become
useless.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:25:11 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx


--
 02h59m ago, on 13 Aug, 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> > There was nothing ready from the shelf, so I sat down and
> > modified the existing bigfont.pcx file.
>
> Werner, brilliant work! A must-have for READ/LX - thanks.

I have a question about this.  In English we don't have those
little thingies atop letters or some of the letters you guys have
been talking about.  I started thinking about what you guys are
doing and wondering why it's so important.

Is it because the text is easier to read that you need this stuff
or is there also a chance for meaning to be unclear without them?

Barry  (who speaks English and pig latin and wonders if that's
multilingual)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Bob Penick
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:10 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: Fluff: Head stepping flash
>=20
>=20
> PRETEC!
> Yuck!!
> I had a 20MB.
> bob

Yeah! PRETEC..


PRETEC SUCKS!!!!!=20



whew... I feel better now.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:44:13 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel R" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:21 AM
Subject: Omnibook (?) options...

> Presentations via external display adaptor (could be VGA
Greyscale if cost
> effective) e.g. Projection system or O/H transparency tablet.
> Office type function e.g. Word processing and E-mail with IR
printing if
> possible (I use a HP 2100 although I can't get it to work with
the 95...)
> Specialised Project Management (The product I am committed to
(World class
> South African development) will ONLY run under Windows and if
solution
> allows use then will be considered a BIG bonus!)
> Compatibly with the LX95 (hence the thought of using an Omnibook)
will also
> be an advantage.

If cost is  your only reason to avoid laptops you might want to
consider a used laptop.  There are some really good deals around.

For example, I have an IBM Thinkpad 365xd with a P120 and 40 meg
and a 1 gig drive.  I got it new many years ago and it's been
great.  About a year and a half ago I priced used ones like it for
my nephew and they were from about $500 to about $700.  Now they're
going for $200 to $350.  These are great little computers.

But there are a lot of other good laptops going for good prices in
stores on the web or on Ebay.

Not long ago I bought a couple of Compac Contura Aeros with 486s
and color VGA (dual scan but not bad) for $40 each.  They're in
perfect shape with all the accessories.  One even had a docking
station.  These were both carefully purchased from Ebay sellers.

They came with Windows 95 (silly, I think) which worked ok even
with only 16 meg.  I didn't install anything on them but they both
came with Word and it worked fine.  One had Excel also and it
worked fine, too.

If you look for used stuff and pick it carefully you can get great
deals for nearly nothing.  Just be careful to avoid the crooks and
the guys that think their $50 item is worth $300.  I always know
what I'm willing to pay on Ebay before I look for something.  Then
I check the buyer as carefully as possible.  I elimiate about 30%
of them, I'd say.

The only problem I've ever had with Ebay is one Model 100 that
wasn't in nearly as good condition as described.  But I knew I'd
still have bought it at that price if I had known so I just sent a
comment to the seller and let it go.  The other hundred or so times
I've gotten things on Ebay have been great.

But at prices like that you're ok even if you get burned 50% of the
time.

Barry

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:57:40 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Pitman" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: Possible LX replacement?


> While looking on the internet, I stumbled across some information
about
> running DOS on the Nokia 9110.
>
> This machine seems a fair replacement for the LX:
> 486 CPU
> 640 * 200 backlit screen
> QWERTY keyboard
> MMC memory card slot
> Cheap to obtain second hand
>
> Anyway, this site has more information:
> http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html

That is absolutely fascinating.  I just read their description and
their project page.  Some of that stuff would be fun.

One thing they want though, is a VESA video driver so graphics
programs could be run.  Does anyone know of anything written to use
VESA with CGA?  I thought VESA began with SVGA.

A note: I'm not considering getting involved in this.  Cell phones
won't work within half a mile of my house so they're of no use to
me.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:01:52 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> Is it because the text is easier to read that you need this stuff
> or is there also a chance for meaning to be unclear without them?

I suppose it is mostly what you are used to. spelling mistakes make the
reader stumble and thus make the text harder to read, any kind of
mistake will do. I'll attach an example:

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is - The latest news from Europe.
The News Standard has receive this bulletin fresh from our
Brussels-based News Service...

The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been
reached to adopt English as the preferred language of European
communications, rather that German, which was the other possibility, As
part of the negotiations, Her Majesty=92s Government conceded that Englis=
h
spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year
phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short).

In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly,
sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will
be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but
typewriters kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20 per sent shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted
to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have
always ben a deterent to akurate spelling. Also, al wil agre that the
horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would
go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing
"th" by "z" and "w" by "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining
"ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of=20
leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no
mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech
ozer.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:57 -0500
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From:         Avi Meshar 
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At 8/13/02 09:16 AM, you wrote:
>On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
> > Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?
>
>No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
>If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.

Agree. More than "probably", It will not work if the login is proprietary.

>If you can connect with the Windoes DUN, and no special
>software, then WWW/LX -should_ work.

It is possible that PeoplePC provided a rigged DUN? Maybe some spcialized
"plug-in" to the DUN? You make the point well - if the login is standard
Internet, then no problems.  Avi

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:22 -0500
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Hi Barry,

<< I think text is always the preferred method for transferring information
if it's adequate to the situation.>>

You mean if the information is textual in nature and does not depend to
convey meaning on some structure?  I agree.

<<  And I will concede (with some reluctance) that HTML is probably the
best second choice if text won't handle all the requirements and HTML will. >>

But BOTH? Text AND HTML? what a waste. I'm sure you'll agree - one if it is
enouhg, or the other.

<<  For myself I prefer a Word document or an RTF document to HTML simply
because it's easier to turn it into text formatted the way I like. >>

Good point! I'll go with RTF anytime because it is smaller or it is
possible to quickly process.

<< The one I like least (unless I'm going to use it as reference on my
desktop) is PDF. >>

Impossible on the palmtop, and Acrobat is so-so at best on desktop.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:20:26 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Theodore Heise" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: LX Database files on Desktop system?


> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Theodore Heise wrote:
>
> > I use the HP Connectivity Pack for file transfer, but I use a
> > database apps from one of the OmniBooks as it allows ready cut
and
> > paste between Windows applications.  I've used it contentedly
on
> > Win95, Win98, and Win2k.  I thought it was on SUPER
(OB6DSK.ZIP),
> > but I can't seem to find it now.

I just downloaded that and it looks great.  Why have you kept this
secret so long?  :)

The phone book app is the one that's really useful to me since I
use the LX for phone numbers.  But I also keep passwords in a .gdb
file.  The phone app won't open that.  Is that just not covered?

The gdb is somewhat customized but I could probably put the most
useful data into a default layout database if I had to.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:36:37 -0400
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Hi Daniel and Barry,

   I've gotten most of the basic features of a small
Draw program working now.  I will try and document
it a bit and send it to you two tomorrow.  I'm a
digest subscriber, and that should let me see your
responses.  And let me think of any gotchas (maybe).

   Then I suppose I should see what Barry has done
with his program.  Then if either program helps out
Daniel we can flesh out the better program.

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:47:27 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx


> I suppose it is mostly what you are used to. spelling mistakes
make the
> reader stumble and thus make the text harder to read, any kind of
> mistake will do. I'll attach an example:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
> Here is - The latest news from Europe.
> The News Standard has receive this bulletin fresh from our
> Brussels-based News Service...

[sneaky transitions deleted]

> After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil
be no
> mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu
understand ech
> ozer.
>
> Ze drem vil finali kum tru.

In about the 7th grade there was a popular joke:  "What is the
shortest book in history?" The answer:  "Six Hundred Years of
German Humor".  You've just destroyed a former child's illusions.
:)

Thank you for one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.
For a while I even forgot to laugh at myself for the way I fell
right into it.

Barry

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> Hi Barry,
>
> << I think text is always the preferred method for transferring
information
> if it's adequate to the situation.>>
>
> You mean if the information is textual in nature and does not
depend to
> convey meaning on some structure?  I agree.

I think text and meaning should be seperated as much as possible.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:57:07 -0500
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> Hi Daniel and Barry,
>
>    I've gotten most of the basic features of a small
> Draw program working now.  I will try and document
> it a bit and send it to you two tomorrow.  I'm a
> digest subscriber, and that should let me see your
> responses.  And let me think of any gotchas (maybe).
>
>    Then I suppose I should see what Barry has done
> with his program.  Then if either program helps out
> Daniel we can flesh out the better program.

Actually very little.  Since you were doing one I didn't push it..

I did get it to compile but there are bugs now that weren't there
before.  I think it's because I found modules from the program in
various stages and versions and they don't fit together.  I have
been playing with that, but slowly.  I have my LX set up with Tasm
and for some reason parts of this seems to only work with Masm.
Rather than figure out why I've been switching to Masm and changing
bat files and default make files, etc, to re-coordinate everything.
I've been intending to do that anyway.  I've spent very little time
on the program itself.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:12:48 -0400
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Years ago with my HP95LX I had a Lotus spreadsheet with macros
that would handle irregular payments.  It also had very good
graphics.  It was called CFLOW.wk1.  Does anyone know where I can
I find a copy.  I would be grateful
Sincerely, Bob Love


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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:19:31 -0400
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On Tuesday 13 August 2002 11:17 am, Barry wrote:

> The one I like least (unless I'm going to use it as
> reference on my desktop) is PDF.  I find Acrobat to be
> clumsy and they're willing to make changes from version
> to version that render documents unusable.  I have a
> couple of PDF protected books that will no longer be
> readable when I upgrade to Acrobat 5.0.  So far I havent
> needed to but eventually those books ($25 each) will
> become useless.

This is new information for me. I thought that newer
versions of Acrobat Reader would handle anything that was
compatible with the older versions.

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> This is new information for me. I thought that newer
> versions of Acrobat Reader would handle anything that was
> compatible with the older versions.

I bought a couple of books from one of the self publishing
companies and others who bought them couldn't use them after
upgrading to Acrobat 5.  When they called the publisher they said
they were aware of it but had no answer and didn't expect one.  New
versions would work with Acrobat 5 but they had to be re-purchased.
I'm not sure how callous they were about it but that was the upshot
of it.

A couple of people went back to version 4 so they could continue
using them.

These are HP48 books and this was all discussed on comp.sys.hp48 a
few months ago.

Actually my need for the books is small but I was making the point
about Acrobat.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:13:26 -0500
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Barry wrote:

> I just downloaded that and it looks great.  Why have you kept this
> secret so long?  :)
>
> The phone book app is the one that's really useful to me since I
> use the LX for phone numbers.  But I also keep passwords in a .gdb
> file.  The phone app won't open that.  Is that just not covered?

Well, I think I've misrepresented things.  I've poked through it
and don't think there is an app to handle databases--just Phone
and Appt.  You might try renaming your database with a .pdb
extension, but I don't think the OB Phone app even opens modified
pdb files so it probably won't work.

--
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I thought somebody wrote an LXDB app for windoze

>=20
> Well, I think I've misrepresented things.  I've poked through it
> and don't think there is an app to handle databases--just Phone
> and Appt.  You might try renaming your database with a .pdb
> extension, but I don't think the OB Phone app even opens modified
> pdb files so it probably won't work.
>=20
> --
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:05:54 -0700
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At 03:22 pm 8/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I thought somebody wrote an LXDB app for windoze
>

PalmConnect for Windows (reviewed in an issue of Palmtop Paper) provides
Windows versions of Phone, Appointment and Notetaker, so you get one more
app (Notetaker) than you get with the HP Windows PIM's (Appt, Phone) from
the OB6DSK.ZIP file.

One question for those who use PalmConnect:

Are the Phone, Appt and Notetaker files on your desktop PC in the same
format as the corresponding files on your LX??

With the HP PIMs, I can simply copy Appt and Phone files from PC > LX  (or
LX > PC) using Transfile or W32Filer, as they work with the same file
formats.  Can you do this with PalmConnect???

Martin




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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:21:31 -0400
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Regarding our discussion about the differences between
"ownership" of book and software, well the world has
changed again.

Today's column "Gripe Line" column by Ed Foster at
Infoworld.com discusses a book that arrived with a shrink
wrap license. The publishers of the book retain ownership
of the book.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:17:47 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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> At 03:22 pm 8/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >I thought somebody wrote an LXDB app for windoze
> >
>
> PalmConnect for Windows (reviewed in an issue of Palmtop Paper)
provides
> Windows versions of Phone, Appointment and Notetaker, so you get
one more
> app (Notetaker) than you get with the HP Windows PIM's (Appt,
Phone) from
> the OB6DSK.ZIP file.

I don't really need a pim.  I have the LX for that.  It would just
be nice to be able to access the files in windows too.


> One question for those who use PalmConnect:
>
> Are the Phone, Appt and Notetaker files on your desktop PC in the
same
> format as the corresponding files on your LX??
>
> With the HP PIMs, I can simply copy Appt and Phone files from PC
> LX  (or
> LX > PC) using Transfile or W32Filer, as they work with the same
file
> formats.  Can you do this with PalmConnect???

As far as I know there's no such thing, at least through normal
means, of copying from the palm to the desktop or vice-versa.
That's done when you do a hotsynch.  Because of that there's no
real reason the formats have to be the same as long as the hotsynch
program converts them.  But I don't know any reason they might be
different either.

Actually a simple transfer program would be nice.  I don't know if
anyone has written one or not.

Barry

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:30:08 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> "What is the
> shortest book in history?" The answer:  "Six Hundred Years of
> German Humor".  You've just destroyed a former child's illusions.

Well to be honest, the joke was more about Germans than German itself
and the way it goes against the EU makes it almost certainly British.
(As does the language - speaking English and Latin you will not, I'm
sure, find most German jokes that funny.)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:31:13 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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> Regarding our discussion about the differences between
> "ownership" of book and software, well the world has
> changed again.
>
> Today's column "Gripe Line" column by Ed Foster at
> Infoworld.com discusses a book that arrived with a shrink
> wrap license. The publishers of the book retain ownership
> of the book.

Too bad.  If I bought the book I'd own it and they can say anything
they want.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:38:55 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> Too bad.  If I bought the book I'd own it and they can say anything
> they want.

Why are you posting under Barry's name, John? :-)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:53:41 +0200
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hi Barry,

On 13 Aug 2002 at 10:25, Barry wrote:

>
> I have a question about this.  In English we don't have those
> little thingies atop letters or some of the letters you guys have been
> talking about.  I started thinking about what you guys are doing and
> wondering why it's so important.
>
> Is it because the text is easier to read that you need this stuff or
> is there also a chance for meaning to be unclear without them?
>
> Barry  (who speaks English and pig latin and wonders if that's
> multilingual)
>
If you imagine that one of the english characters you are used to
would be missing in a text you are reading, you can imagine that the
text would be harder to read.
That's what happens when a character like the "=DF" is missing in a
font. You see an empty space instead of the character. The "=DF" is not
a very frequent character in german texts, but it is nevertheless
disturbing if you have to read such a text with missing characters.

For a russian text the readable part would be nearly zero with
bigfont.pcx.

> Barry  (who speaks English and pig latin and wonders if that's
> multilingual)

that's bilingual at least IMHO.

best regards,
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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:11:59 -0400
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Barry,
I'm afraid that some of our German friends may not have caught the humor in
our American joke.
bob
(who also speaks pig latin and can read a little Latin as well as a little
German)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" > Barry  (who speaks English and pig latin and
wonders if that's
> multilingual)

that's bilingual at least IMHO.

And also:

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> (As does the language - speaking English and Latin you will not, I'm
> sure, find most German jokes that funny.)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:26 -0500
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bob Penick wrote:

>
> Barry,
> I'm afraid that some of our German friends may not have caught
> the humor in our American joke.
> bob
> (who also speaks pig latin and can read a little Latin as well
> as a little German)

Good point, Bob.  For those who are not familiar with it, this
paragaph follows in pig Latin.

Oodgay ointpay, Obbay.  Orfay osethay whoway areway otnay
amiliarfay ithway itway, isthay aragraphpay ollowsfay inway Igpay
Atinlay.  

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:04:15 +1200
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Hi Listers

I'm sorry this is a bit off topic, although I am programming on and
for the LX.

After years of avoiding it because it's horrible, I'm finally trying
to teach myself to code in the C language.
I'm doing OK for simple things, but I'm really stuck trying to output
stuff to the screen for a user data entry panel.
I've found GoToXY() which works fine, but although textcolor(),
textbackground() and textattr() all are compiled without error, none
of them seem to work, i.e. the text always gets displayed on the
screen in the default colours.
I'm using TC201, and I've tried this on a W2000 DOS box, and on the
LX (I want to allow a user to play with 'colours' on the LX to get
best readability)
I know many of you are expert in C, so I hope someone can point me
in the right direction.

Cheers...Roger

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Date:         Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:42:37 -0600
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Sorry for the length of this msg. The following is a reply to
my inquiry about running DOS on the Nokia 9110. The reply is
from Dave Chapman whose website was referred to in an earlier
post:

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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:11:47 -0700
To: "bob" 
From: Dave Chapman 
Subject: Re: DOS on Nokia 9110

My 9110 was stolen about 18 months ago, and replaced by the insurance =
company
with a 9210.  So I haven't done any more work on 9110 DOS.

As my website states (I think - I haven't read it for two years!) GEOS, =
the
9110's OS runs on top of DOS.  The only thing stopping it running DOS
software is the lack of a 100% IBM PC compatible BIOS.  The missing =
functions
can be implemented as a TSR DOS program (my "cursor" utility was a =
start), so
Lotus and/or dBase III could be made to work quite easily.

The main problem is that the phone side is accessed via a proprietory
protocol - it doesn't just appear as a modem to DOS applications.  But =
the
Gnokii project probably has the information to overcome that.

Are you planning on doing any work on this?

Dave.

On Tuesday 13 August 2002 16:09, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A fellow member of the HPLX users group (HP 200LX palmtops)
> referred me to your site. In looking over your notes from
> January 2000, it looks as though you were on the road to
> creating what could be a successor to the 200LX. Were
> you able to actually run any DOS software on the 9110,
> such as Lotus 123 or dBase III? Thanks.
>
> Bob
>  Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
>    Palmtop Computers . Minox Cameras . All The Small Stuff

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Thanks everyone, for you replies. GBDWIN turns out to be the ticket for my
application.
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While looking on the internet, I stumbled across some information about
running DOS on the Nokia 9110.

This machine seems a fair replacement for the LX:
486 CPU
640 * 200 backlit screen
QWERTY keyboard
MMC memory card slot
Cheap to obtain second hand

Anyway, this site has more information:
http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html

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> Well to be honest, the joke was more about Germans than German
itself
> and the way it goes against the EU makes it almost certainly
British.
> (As does the language - speaking English and Latin you will not,
I'm
> sure, find most German jokes that funny.)

That was pig latin, not real latin.  I guess it's an American
thing.  It's a patterned distortion of normal English that makes it
difficult but not impossible to understand and kids learn it and
use it sometimes to pretend they're speaking a different language
so adults won't know what they're saying. Of course every adult
learned it as a kid too, so it's only used as a king of toy
language by kids.

The first letter of each word is moved to the end of the word and
the suffix "ay" is added to each word. I started to give an example
but it's just too embarassing.  :)

I probably shouldn't have included that joke.  I'm aware that it's
in bad taste and I considered deleting it before I sent the post.
But it's the sort of thing that was very common in the 40's and 50s
here.  Texans were normal.  People from other states talked funny.
People from other countries were as they were shown in movies.  The
effect was demeaning but we didn't know that for decades and there
was rarely any intent to demean.

Anyway I decided that by including it I was laughing at myself and
not at Germans so it was probably ok.  I hope it's taken in that
way but if not I apologize.

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>Good point, Bob.  For those who are not familiar with it, this
>paragaph follows in pig Latin.
>
> Oodgay ointpay, Obbay.  Orfay osethay whoway areway otnay
> amiliarfay ithway itway, isthay aragraphpay ollowsfay inway Igpay
> Atinlay.  

Very good!  I didn't have the courage to include an example.  And
now I can see why.  :)

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Subject: OT: C Programming Advice


> After years of avoiding it because it's horrible, I'm finally
trying
> to teach myself to code in the C language.

C is pretty horrible but it's horrible in the nicest possible way.
There's a big hill to climb at first but once you begin to see why
it is the way it is it becomes a very easy language to code in.
Certain complicated things can be done with a little bit of complex
planning and then a lot of simple coding.

Then when you learn to avoid it's traps it because an effective
language as well.

> I'm doing OK for simple things, but I'm really stuck trying to
output
> stuff to the screen for a user data entry panel.
> I've found GoToXY() which works fine, but although textcolor(),
> textbackground() and textattr() all are compiled without error,
none
> of them seem to work, i.e. the text always gets displayed on the
> screen in the default colours.
> I'm using TC201, and I've tried this on a W2000 DOS box, and on
the
> LX (I want to allow a user to play with 'colours' on the LX to
get
> best readability)
> I know many of you are expert in C, so I hope someone can point
me
> in the right direction.

I'm pretty rusty now so I can't be sure this is the solution to
your problem but I think I remember that some of the Dos character
functions don't work in a Windows Dos box.  I don't remember which
ones.

On the LX they should work if you're in CGA mode instead of mono
mode, which you probably are but it's worth double checking.  In
CGA mode they can work and not be seen if the contrast isn't
adjusted with that in mind.

If you don't find your answer there and no-one else comes up with
it let me know and I'll look a little farther.

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hi Ted,

Theodore Heise schrieb =FCber Re: OT: Language Humor - Was: new=20
bigfont.pcx:

>=20
> Good point, Bob.  For those who are not familiar with it, this
> paragaph follows in pig Latin.
>=20
> Oodgay ointpay, Obbay.  Orfay osethay whoway areway otnay
> amiliarfay ithway itway, isthay aragraphpay ollowsfay inway Igpay
> Atinlay.  
>=20
> --
> Edtay
>=20

thanks Ted for the first lesson in pig latin. I wonder how it sounds=20
when someone speaks fluently this language ;-)

cheers,
Werner=20

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Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL from DOS 5.0?

It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system manager or word 5.5.
Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding expensive Software
carousel of course)

Other applications work very well. It is much better task switcher than
Win3.0 - much less memory hungry
and stable. Finally I completely removed windoze from my 200LX:-)

BTW: It was really funy to install it. It told me that I miss file
DOSSHELL.GRB - on original
factory write protected 5.25" disks. I found that file in a german DOS 5.0
version...

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Hi Bob

14h32m ago Bob Penick wrote:

> PS - Still hoping someone will send me a copy of the "Ace" driver for =
large
> cards.  I know this card uses too much power for the internal slot, but =
I'd
> love to try it in my DoubleSlot using the AC adapter when it arrives.  =
The
> Toshiba spec sheet says it is PC Card Type II and ATA compliant.  Isn't =
that
> what we need?

Yes.

The Acecard driver is available on SUPER.


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Have you had a look at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dosshell+black+white+phipps

and http://www.hplx.net/wally/dosshell.html

Lots of info there

hth

Etienne
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Subject: Dosshell task switching on 200LX


> Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL
from DOS 5.0?
>
> It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system
manager or word 5.5.
> Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding
expensive Software
> carousel of course)
>
> Other applications work very well. It is much better task
switcher than
> Win3.0 - much less memory hungry
> and stable. Finally I completely removed windoze from my
200LX:-)
>
> BTW: It was really funy to install it. It told me that I miss
file
> DOSSHELL.GRB - on original
> factory write protected 5.25" disks. I found that file in a
german DOS 5.0
> version...
>
> Radek
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They have their own dialer.  Windows DUN doesn't work.

However, I tried using the Data Comm software in the System Manager, and =
so far I find that PeoplePC uses  LAP-M protocol.  Now I have to figure =
out what to do with that info.

Ron

>
> On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
> > Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?
>
> No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
> If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.
> If you can connect with the Windoes DUN, and no special
> software, then WWW/LX -should_ work.
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Lap-m is just the modem compression. Wait longer and when username and
password come up type in your username and password. If it takes them and
starts ppp www/lx will probably work.

John
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They have their own dialer.  Windows DUN doesn't work.

However, I tried using the Data Comm software in the System Manager, and so
far I find that PeoplePC uses  LAP-M protocol.  Now I have to figure out
what to do with that info.

Ron

>
> On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
> > Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?
>
> No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
> If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.
> If you can connect with the Windoes DUN, and no special
> software, then WWW/LX -should_ work.
>
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Subject:      Dosshell task switching on 200LX
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Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL from DOS 5.0?

It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system manager or word 5.5.
Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding expensive Software
carousel of course)

Other applications work very well. It is much better task switcher than
Win3.0 - much less memory hungry
and stable. Finally I completely removed windoze from my 200LX:-)

BTW: It was really funy to install it. It told me that I miss file
DOSSHELL.GRB - on original
factory write protected 5.25" disks. I found that file in a german DOS 5.0
version...

Radek

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Have you had a look at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dosshell+black+white+phipps

and http://www.hplx.net/wally/dosshell.html

Lots of info there

hth

Etienne
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Dosshell task switching on 200LX


> Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL
from DOS 5.0?
>
> It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system
manager or word 5.5.
> Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding
expensive Software
> carousel of course)
>
> Other applications work very well. It is much better task
switcher than
> Win3.0 - much less memory hungry
> and stable. Finally I completely removed windoze from my
200LX:-)
>
> BTW: It was really funy to install it. It told me that I miss
file
> DOSSHELL.GRB - on original
> factory write protected 5.25" disks. I found that file in a
german DOS 5.0
> version...
>
> Radek
>
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Is there a java compiler (javac.exe) that can run on HP200LX. Asking for Java Virtual Machine will be too much.
I started writing java program on HP200LX but have to download to a PC just to compile it.

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Thanks everyone, for you replies. GBDWIN turns out to be the ticket for my
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Is there a program I can run on my desktop under Win 95 or a DOS window that
will allow me to use my LX's .gdb database files?
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On Monday 12 August 2002 03:48 pm, Eduardo Fake-O Name-O
wrote:
> > Sending business correspondence, especially quotations,
> > in
>
> snip
>
> > know the password protection can be cracked with some
> > effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked
> > with enough effort.  This is still better then sending
> > out documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.
>
> PGP sigantures are probably the best widely used standard
> and it works well with plain text.

I use PGP but you don't understand this application. I want
anyone to be able to read the document. I just don't want
anyone to be able to change the document.

BTW - there was a security hole reported today for PGP.


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Vic, here's some info about phones in China. Good luck!

Tom

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Subject: Re: Fw: Phone System in China


>
> Tom,
>
> Glad to hear from you. I am fine and as busy as usual.
> Hope to see you again at Indy.
>
> As for the phone system, the phone jack is the same so
> the modem should work fine.  But remmber the
> International call from China is very expensive and
> you cannot use 1-800 number. On the otherhand, The
> hotel may offer computer with internet access.
> Additionally, there are Internet bars everywhere. It
> provides internet access.  You won't be able to hook
> up your computer there but you can check e-mail
> (hotmail, yahoo or using mail2web.com).  It cost only
> about 25 cents a hour. Just ask hotel staff for
> direction.
>
> John
>
> --- Tom Salwasser  wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > How are you? I see you're presenting at MWSUG. I
> > hope to get
> > there, it's my turn to buy dinner!
> >
> > A guy I know was asking about the phone system in
> > China, can you
> > help with his question? Thanks.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >

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I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.

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At 09:00 am 8/13/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>I'm using GDBWIN. You can download it from SUPER.
>
>Roger S.
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One question:  Does GDBWin run under Win 3.1X or only Win 95+?

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Sorry, don't know about that. I'm using Win98SE.

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>From: Avi Meshar 
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:57 -0500
>Subject: Re: PeoplePC
>
>At 8/13/02 09:16 AM, you wrote:
>>On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
>> > Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?
>>
>>No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
>>If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.
>
>Agree. More than "probably", It will not work if the login is proprietary.

It really depends on what their dialer (if they have one) does.

Some ISPs have a dialer which is little more than a front-end to DUN but
offers conveniences such as access number selection. Such an ISP should work
with WWW/LX provided you know the access numbers, etc.

OTOH, many of the bannered "free" ISPs do more complex login schemes on top
of DUN such as encoding the password in the dialer before passing it the
server. Usability of such an ISP with the dialer (besides being a TOS
violation) depends on whether the encryptions/login tricks are known and
whether the dialer does other things, once connected, to authorize the user.
(NetZero went though this evolution.)

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:10:32 +0100
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Perfect. That seems to be an answer for almost everything. However there is
mentioned that Dosshell
can be used in graphic or text mode. I have only text, so I can't change
color to inverse.
Some investigation will be necessary.

Radek

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> Subject:      Re: Dosshell task switching on 200LX
>
> Have you had a look at:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dosshell+black+white+phipps
>
> and http://www.hplx.net/wally/dosshell.html
>
> Lots of info there
>
> hth
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Le Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:13:26 -0500
Theodore Heise  a icrit:

>  but I don't think the OB Phone app even opens modified
> pdb files so it probably won't work.

Modified pdb files work witout any problem.
Password protected .pdb and .adb files works too, BTW.

I use the apps (phone and appts) all days, seing and updating the files
directly on my PC, using a Compact Flash Reader.

But I just made a few tests with gdb files, the phone application
crashes when opening these files, even renaming them as .pdb...
Perhaps only a problem with my install, I don't know (will retry later,
when I will have more time).

Anyway,  if you see the configuration file (located in c:\windows) :
-----------
[database]
filename=E:\_dat\phone.pdb
style=phone
-----------
you can think that the phone app has perhaps some undocumented
fonctionalities.... ;-)

The only two problems I know about the phone app (and appts app) are :
- When you have opened (even without updated) a .pdb or .adb file with
  the Omnibook apps, they will be very much longer to open on the
  palmtop. I think it is because the OB apps don't rewrite the indexes
  which are part of the file.
- Remember always to close the phone/appts application on the palmtop
  before to use the files on the PC. If you forget that, the file will
  be corrupted.


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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:34:21 -0500
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>> Oodgay ointpay, Obbay.  Orfay osethay whoway areway otnay
>> amiliarfay ithway itway, isthay aragraphpay ollowsfay inway
Igpay
>> Atinlay.  
>
> thanks Ted for the first lesson in pig latin. I wonder how it
sounds
> when someone speaks fluently this language ;-)

It sounds silly after you're 8 or 9 but at that age it's fun to try
to keep up with it.  I think when I was 8 it sounded silly, too.
But silly was good then.  :)

I can't recall anyone actually trying to communicate this way.  It
was more the challange.  And if you could speak at a normal speed
(I couldn't) it was something to show off.  Understanding it at a
normal speed was much more difficult.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:44:04 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Dosshell task switching on 200LX


> Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL
from DOS 5.0?
>
> It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system manager
or word 5.5.
> Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding
expensive Software
> carousel of course)

Dosshell will work with system manager.  I don't remember the
details but someone on HPHAND figured that out.  I can't remember
who but at the time it was a startling discovery.  That person and
then others, too, spent a lot of time ironing out the kinks in this
and documenting it.  I'd check Thaddeus and Super very carefully.
It might still be around.

While experimenting with this someone figured out that Software
Carrousel would also work, alhtough by then they knew how to make
Dosshell reliable and there were problems with Software Carrousel.
As I remember it someone contacted the publisher of Software
Carrousel, which was in decline by then, and discussed what it
might take to make it work on the 200lx, and they made the changes.
I think there was even a 200lx version at one time.

I tried out Dosshell when this was first announced and it seemed to
work fine.  I didn't use it enough to find any problems.  I didn't
have any need for it.  I was just curious.

I've never used Software Carrousel at all.

All this is from memory from a long time ago and my memory has
deficiencies so if any of you other really old guys (you know who
you are:) remember any more or any different........

If you really are interested in Dosshell for this I'd spend a
little time looking for the docs.  It was all laid out.
Installation procedures, workarounds for a lot of the gotchas and a
lot of tips.

I wish I could remember who first figured this out.  It was a
really clever and imaginative idea, I think.

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Same experience.

Radek

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> 17h16m ago Daniel Hertrich wrote:
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> > Hi Niels
> >
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> Is the list server sending list messages to itself? I keep gettig some
> messages twice, with two HPLX-L foooters each.
>
> GTX
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:35:41 +0200
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Same here... seems a listserver prob, indeed

Niels

[n]
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17h16m ago Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Niels
>
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Is the list server sending list messages to itself? I keep gettig some
messages twice, with two HPLX-L foooters each.

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Barry wrote
>>if any of you other really old guys (you know who you are:) remember any
more or any different........<<

WRT Software Carousel, yes there was a special version for the LX. It's
still available from Thaddeus.
http://www.palmtopPaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=132

I use it all the time. On a DS machine, swapping from one work area to
another is done in a heart-beat.

The speed of switching and the ease of set up was what sold people on SC
rather than Dosshell. Hal also put together a package called Super SC that
had most of the popular shareware/freeware along with dozens of games on a
CD. The installation of that package was close to plug and play.

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I think you shouldn't worry about including that joke. It's pretty normal to
have jokes about 'the other people'. Here in Holland, we've jokes about the
Belgians and the Germans and I'm sure they've jokes on us. And it's a good
point, if both can enjoy these (or at least don't care :) ), because it's
always good if you can laugh about someone (as long as it is not meant to
put down this someone). I hope others see this the same way as I do...

Greetz,

Niels

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[snip]


> I probably shouldn't have included that joke.  I'm aware that it's
> in bad taste and I considered deleting it before I sent the post.
> But it's the sort of thing that was very common in the 40's and 50s
> here.  Texans were normal.  People from other states talked funny.
> People from other countries were as they were shown in movies.  The
> effect was demeaning but we didn't know that for decades and there
> was rarely any intent to demean.
>
> Anyway I decided that by including it I was laughing at myself and
> not at Germans so it was probably ok.  I hope it's taken in that
> way but if not I apologize.
>
> Barry
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:55 -0400
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Actually this is a system test & off topic message ;-)

I will need to synchronize my old OB800 OUTLOOK 2000 mail folders with my
new FUJITSU box. Does anyone know an easy to do this?

I'm also checking the footers below & to se how many copies of this I
get...so it is somewhat LX related.

Cheers...Al Kind
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Hmmm??? They are working the VM server here, perhaps a configuration issue.
The system will be down Saturday morning ~6:00am EDT again for an hour or
so.

Cheers...AJKind

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17h16m ago Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Niels
>
> [...]
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Is the list server sending list messages to itself? I keep gettig some
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GTX
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I only got one copy of this message so far with one footer.

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Actually this is a system test & off topic message ;-)

I will need to synchronize my old OB800 OUTLOOK 2000 mail folders with my
new FUJITSU box. Does anyone know an easy to do this?

I'm also checking the footers below & to se how many copies of this I
get...so it is somewhat LX related.

Cheers...Al Kind
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SC also fixes a grpahics problem with appmgr. Dosshell used to screw up =
the graphics on appman until you hit a blue key.
SC will also use EMM as swpa space which makes it even faster. I would =
say that SC switches tasks 3-4 times faster than DOSShell I used =
DOSShell for a while. You need to set it to black and white text mode. =
Graphics just looks nice but servces no purpose and I don't think it =
works right on the LX. There are some files that need to be copied to =
the dosshell directory to get it in the right modem for the LX but I =
don't remember what the files are. Go dig in the list archives 'cause =
that's where I got that information.=20

 Barry wrote
> >>if any of you other really old guys (you know who you are:) remember =
any
> more or any different........<<
>=20
> WRT Software Carousel, yes there was a special version for the LX. =
It's
> still available from Thaddeus.
> http://www.palmtopPaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=3D132
>=20
> I use it all the time. On a DS machine, swapping from one work area to
> another is done in a heart-beat.
>=20
> The speed of switching and the ease of set up was what sold people on =
SC
> rather than Dosshell. Hal also put together a package called Super SC =
that
> had most of the popular shareware/freeware along with dozens of games =
on a
> CD. The installation of that package was close to plug and play.
>=20
> .ed.
>=20

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:18 +0200
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Hi Werner

1 day 04h49m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> I also fixed a cosmetic problem with =DC=C4=D6 characters in the old =
file.
> If anybody is interested, please let me know.
>

super@palmtop.net is interested! 

GTX
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:19 +0200
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1 day 01h55m ago Michael L. wrote:

> I have no experiences with prepaid cards. You can use from mobile phone =
only providers, that have a "normal" phone number (*no* numbers starting =
with 019...). I recommend:

oh yes, and G=FCnther Eisele compiled a database containing providers in
Germany with "normal" wireline network numbers (so they are usable from
a mobile phone).
Have a look at www.guenther-eisele.de
I think it was "ortsnetz.gdb"

GTX
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:21 +0200
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20h58m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> <<  For myself I prefer a Word document or an RTF document to HTML =
simply
> because it's easier to turn it into text formatted the way I like. >>
>
> Good point! I'll go with RTF anytime because it is smaller or it is
> possible to quickly process.

And RTF cannot contain macro viruses.

GTX
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:15 +0200
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Hi Nigel

here somethins about the HP Omnibook 800CT 166MHz MMX with Linux 2.4.17:

1 day 01h06m ago Nigel R wrote:

> Presentations via external display adaptor (could be VGA Greyscale if =
cost
> effective) e.g. Projection system or O/H transparency tablet.

No problem. Has external VGA, and has worked for me with all projectors
I have used so far. Simply plug it in, and it works.
I remember that I had problems with XFree86 version 3 switching back to
screen after the presentation (flickering and so on), but I don't have
these problems anymore, so I think this is not the case anymore with
XFree 4.x, which is the current version.

I use (as I wrote a few days ago) HTML with CSS2 for presentations,
Opera 6 has the "OperaShow" feature which is very nice for
presentations. No animations, though, except maybe animated GIFs. ;-)

> Office type function e.g. Word processing and E-mail with IR printing =
if
> possible (I use a HP 2100 although I can't get it to work with the =
95...)

Office: Several options. Staroffice is probably the closest thing to
Microsoft Office, although not too stable and a bit slow.
LaTeX is compatible to the LX (see LXTeX on my homepage! Don't know if
it would work well on a 95LX, at least DVI vieweing is NOT possible
because it needs CGA. But LaTeX source code editing is possible on
every ASCII-editor capable computer ;-) ).
Then there is KOffice, which is the Office package of KDE, OpenOffice,
which is the open source branch of Staroffice, works better in some
cases, but doesn't have all features of StarOffice.

Corel WordPerfect Suite is available for Linux I think.


> Specialised Project Management (The product I am committed to (World =
class
> South African development) will ONLY run under Windows and if solution
> allows use then will be considered a BIG bonus!)

There is WINE, a Windows runtime environment, which is now able to run
a big variety of Windows applicationsunder Linux. I have never used it
myself, but if you don't need very hardware-specific software, like TV
viewer, Sound card applications or whatever, it might be worth a try.
Although there is  guarantee that it will work.

There is also VMWare, which probably WOULD let you run that app under
Linux, but this is so terribly slow on an Omnibook 800 that I really =
cannot
recommend it.


> Compatibly with the LX95 (hence the thought of using an Omnibook) will =
also
> be an advantage.

Well, you can use SRAM cards in the PCMCIA slot, you can transfer files
using LXTools for 95LX on SUPER and the serial port,..

What else do you need?

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:23 +0200
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Hi Steve

20h37m ago Steve wrote:

>    Then I suppose I should see what Barry has done
> with his program.  Then if either program helps out
> Daniel we can flesh out the better program.

Great! I'm eager to see your program! My new Barbie Pen mouse (thanks
Ted!!) has arrived by now at home, our neighbours keep it for me
until we're back from vacation, so I can play around with my new hard-
and software when we are back. End of the week probably.

Thanks a lot!
daniel



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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:16:59 +0200
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Niels wrote:
> I hope others see this the same way as I do...

Don't forget Niels, that Barry can't help coming from the hoimeland of
political correctness. Now there are some pretty good nasty jokes about
that around, unfortunately I don't remember any at the moment, can
someone fill in?
And Barry, you won't easily find a joke to offend me, but spout PC and
you'll find that real easy. So better stick to the friendly banter, eh?

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:05:45 +0200
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hello,

with the help of Hans Jacob Waern I added some scandinavian
characters to the bigfont.pcx file.
You can download the two files here:


best regards,
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:09:20 -0500
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> Niels wrote:
> > I hope others see this the same way as I do...
>
> Don't forget Niels, that Barry can't help coming from the
hoimeland of
> political correctness. Now there are some pretty good nasty jokes
about
> that around, unfortunately I don't remember any at the moment,
can
> someone fill in?
> And Barry, you won't easily find a joke to offend me, but spout
PC and
> you'll find that real easy. So better stick to the friendly
banter, eh?

I was worried that I did offend you.

As for political correctness, most of it is pretty dumb, I agree.
But we've developed some nasty habits over the centuries in this
country and PC is probably our way of correcting it.  When you get
off course in an airplane you steer past the course in the other
direction to comensate.  I guess that's what we're doing.
Personally I'm glad we are even though 90% of it is kind of funny.

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----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:05 PM
Subject: new bigfont.pcx


> hello,
>
> with the help of Hans Jacob Waern I added some scandinavian
> characters to the bigfont.pcx file.
> You can download the two files here:
> 

I have something called helv100.exe or some such on my LX.  I've
been using it for years.  I think someone on CIS uploaded it there.
It gives me a new and better font and it seems to work with
everything and be totally transparent. I forget it's there.  I've
never looked into how it works.

But might it be easier to take something like that and modify the
font to be what you want and use that?

Barry

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Back in March of 1999 I sent some follow-ups to Wally on his DOSSHELL web
page at http://www.hplx.net/wally/dosshell.html.  Since he never
incorporated my feedback, I thought I'd pass it along to the list.

I did not have any desktop systems running DOS 5, so I went back to the
original Microsoft diskettes for the files.

     When I made an attempt to install DOSShell following Wally's lead from
the web page, I discovered that several files did not exist on the DOS
distribution diskettes with the DOSShell name:

DOSShell.GRB
DOSShell.INI
DOSShell.VID

     It was necessary to copy the CGA.* files as DOSShell.* before the task
swapping could begin.

     The Microsoft distribution I own is an MS-DOS 5 upgrade and comes on
three diskettes.  I found CGA.VI_ on Disk 1 and CGA.IN_ and CGA.GR_ on Disk
2.  These files must be uncompressed using EXPAND.EXE (found on Disk 3)
before they can be used.  All the other DOSShell files and DOSSwap were
compressed on Disk 2.

     The IBM PC DOS 7 distribution I have is on CDROM and these files were
also not named DOSShell.* on it, but had to be copied from the CGA.* files.
At least on the CDROM they did not have to be EXPANDed.  The IBM PC DOS 7
version of DOSShell works right out of the box on my HP 200LX without any
need for SETVER.  There appear to be few major differences between
Microsoft's V5 software and IBM's V7 except for the replacement of every
occurrence of "MS-DOS" with "PC DOS" and the .COM and .EXE files were
compressed with PKlite in PC DOS 7.

     However I noted one major problem with the PC DOS 7 installation; I
could not get it to reverse the video mode.  Whenever I tried to select the
Options/Colors menu, it just beeped loudly and closed the pulldown menu.
There is no problem at all with the MS-DOS 5 version, so I'm sticking with
that one for now.

Since I didn't want to install DOS on my desktop machine (it's already
running Windows 95), I had to perform the steps manually.

1> Copy the following files from the distribution diskettes to a working
directory on your hard drive:

From Disk 1:
CGA.VI_
From Disk 2:
CGA.GR_
CGA.IN_
DOSSHELL.CO_
DOSSHELL.EX_
DOSSHELL.HL_
DOSSWAP.EX_
From disk 3:
EXPAND.EXE

2> Use the EXPAND command to de-compress the necessary files to their
destination filenames (consider the lines below a batch file)

EXPAND CGA.VI_ DOSSHELL.VID
EXPAND CGA.GR_ DOSSHELL.GRB
EXPAND CGA.IN_ DOSSHELL.INI
EXPAND DOSSHELL.CO_ DOSSHELL.COM
EXPAND DOSSHELL.EX_ DOSSHELL.EXE
EXPAND DOSSHELL.HL_ DOSSHELL.HLP
EXPAND DOSSWAP.EX_ DOSSWAP.EXE

3> Delete all the *.??_ files and EXPAND.EXE, then copy the remaining files
to the palmtop.
4> Follow directions on your web page.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:23:30 -0400
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The 95LX had a Lotus spreadsheet in its internal ROM named _CFLOW.WK1.
(Note that initial character of the name is an underscore.)  The need for
this spreadsheet was supposedly eliminated by the inclusion of the Cash Flow
application in the HP Calc application on the 100LX and 200LX.

Alan Striegel

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Love [mailto:lovebob@USA.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:13 PM

Years ago with my HP95LX I had a Lotus spreadsheet with macros
that would handle irregular payments.  It also had very good
graphics.  It was called CFLOW.wk1.  Does anyone know where I can
I find a copy.  I would be grateful

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:28:10 +0200
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hi Barry,

On 14 Aug 2002 at 13:11, Barry wrote:

>
> I have something called helv100.exe or some such on my LX.  I've
> been using it for years.  I think someone on CIS uploaded it there. It
> gives me a new and better font and it seems to work with everything
> and be totally transparent. I forget it's there.  I've never looked
> into how it works.
>
> But might it be easier to take something like that and modify the font
> to be what you want and use that?
>
I think we are speaking about different things. The font you are
talking about is AFAIK a font for the HP200, sysmanager, dos, etc.
I use a similar font from Stefan Peichl / stefb8.com.

The bigfont font is a font for a special program called read.exe from
Andreas Garzotto.
You can define different fonts for the program, the characters are
stored in a pcx file and the location of each character is stored in
a ascii file.
The read.exe program is made for reading text files, and I use it
often for reading e-books.
The problem was, that some characters in the font were missing, and I
had an empty space in the text when such a character appeared.

cheers,
Werner

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:46:45 -0500
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Radek,

At 8/14/02 02:39 AM, you wrote:
>Does anyone has experience with task switching using DOSSHELL from DOS 5.0?

Not much, but let's try

>It seems to be not able to switch some apps like system manager or word 5.5.

I do not know about Word 5.5, but it seems to me that the agreement here
long time ago was that SysMgr listens and swallows keys it does not recognize.

>Is there any option to overcome that problem? (excluding expensive
>Software carousel of course)

I think that was the workaround.

>Other applications work very well. It is much better task switcher than
>Win3.0 - much less memory hungry and stable.

And that is supposed to be news?  Just kiddin'...

>Finally I completely removed windoze from my 200LX:-)

What a nice day! Congratulations.

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At 8/14/02 05:47 AM, you wrote:
> >From: Avi Meshar 
> >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:57 -0500
> >Subject: Re: PeoplePC
> >
> >At 8/13/02 09:16 AM, you wrote:
> >>On Tuesday 13 August 2002 06:36 am, Ron Burnett wrote:
> >> > Has anyone used WWW/LX & POST/LX with PeoplePC ISP?
> >>
> >>No - but - do they require proprietary software to log in?
> >>If the answer is yes, then WWW/LX probably will not work.
> >
> >Agree. More than "probably", It will not work if the login is proprietary.
>
>It really depends on what their dialer (if they have one) does.

If they can somehow know to talk to the dialer in www/lx then no troubles.
I doubt that is the case.

>Some ISPs have a dialer which is little more than a front-end to DUN but
>offers conveniences such as access number selection. Such an ISP should
>work with WWW/LX provided you know the access numbers, etc.

That means having at hand all the information that WWW/LX requires that you
ask of your ISP (or find out somehow), and simply bypassing their dialler.

But I seriously doubt (and with some conviction! ) that there is a
dialler that will work in cooperation with WWW/LX.

>OTOH, many of the bannered "free" ISPs do more complex login schemes on top
>of DUN such as encoding the password in the dialer before passing it the
>server.

I think these things work differently. An encrypted password passed over
the internet is a waste of time. CHAP, which is what most DUN connections
are, never passed along any passwords, only tokens (sort of) of the
passwords. WWW/LX has been using CHAP since 1996 or 1997 - Fred will know
it, he was the beta team member that we "used" to beat that feature down.

>Usability of such an ISP with the dialer (besides being a TOS
>violation) depends on whether the encryptions/login tricks are known and
>whether the dialer does other things, once connected, to authorize the user.

The use is a violation of the TOS, the _usability_ is just questionable 

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:22:46 +0100
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Hello all,

Does any of you use a large capacity flash card (over 500 MB) with his
palmtop? If so, which brand? Do you know if it also works in a double speed
200LX?

I am considering buying a large capacity flash card (PCCard format) for my
palmtop but I have a 64MB double-speed (Times2Tech) and I previously had a
bad experience with a Compact Flash from Kingston that works fine in a
single speed palmtop, but not in a double speed machine.

Also, do you know where I can get the appropriate driver for the palmtop to
support large flash cards?

Are there any other issues to check before buying a large flash card
nowadays, such as 5V support?

Thanks in advance for your answer, even if very short.


F. Ennesser
19, rue des Feuillantines
75005 Paris
Tel/Fax (33-1)4051-7580
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:58:17 +0200
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On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:26:12AM +0200, Axel Berger wrote:
> Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> > the combination of a good PostScript printer driver
>
> That reminds me: I wanted to write .PS once and I'm sure that at least
> one of the many printer drivers supplied with W98 will do it just fine -
> unfortunately I don't know the first thing about most of those newer
> printers and have no idea, which one to install. Can you help?

For monochrome (the Hylafax based fax printer) I'm using the Adobe PS driver
and for color the PostScript drivers of the HP4500 color laser printer.
Connect the printer driver to the "FILE:" virtual printer port and set
the PostScript options of the printer driver to "most portable" (or
something like that - don't have a Windows box at home so can't check the
exact wording). Works quite well with GhostScript and so far with real
PostScript printers too.

Regards,
      Alex.
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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:32:47 -0500
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:21:29 +0200, you wrote:

>Specialised Project Management (The product I am committed to (World =
class
>South African development) will ONLY run under Windows and if solution
>allows use then will be considered a BIG bonus!)
>I am confident that I could find DOS based applications to do the above
>(except the PM) but maybe another option could be Linux?
>

Get a big hard drive and dual boot OSes. Easiest by far.

John

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Anyone thought of using this for presentations?

http://www.colorgraphic.co.uk/voyager.htm

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Gateway regrets to inform me that they cannot fulfill the order however =
they offer me the $100 rebate on a $314 5 GB drive... wow... that's... =
great..

I told them that gateway sucks and I'll never buy from them ever.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:25:44 -0400
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Ed,
I haven't gotten that message, yet....
But, Gateway has already "reserved" the $112.95 on my credit card.
I noticed that they pulled the ad today.  It was still available yesterday =
on their page.
Sorry,
bob


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Gateway regrets to inform me that they cannot fulfill the order however the=
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Its sold.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:16:16 -0500, you wrote:

>Since I'm getting repeat questions here is a short description.
>
>John
>
>Here are some details.
>
>I bought it used from Thaddeus maybe 3 (?) years ago.
>Pluses:
>
>It has backlighting which uses the internel power as power source. It
>is EL backlighting. The only thing noticable about the upgrade is a
>very slight bulge on the right side of the screen from the panel
>wiring. Otherwise it looks like a regular 200LX. The backlite can be
>turned on and off, as required, from the keyboard.
>Charging upgrade.
>Charges at 300 mA fast 45 mA slow
>Double clocked
>32 meg of ram (T2T board -Thaddeus added upgrade)
>one outlet AC adapter- tip needs to replaced on that- I can include a
>replacement tip however you'll need to put it on.
>I'll also include a EXP 14.4k pcmcia modem with 4 meg of flash which I
>don't need anymore.
>
>Minuses:
>
>Does have crack on right side of case by hinge but it's never gotten
>worse
>Does have a melted spot on bottom half of case near pcmcia slide
>switch from a prototype charging unit. Only noticeable from the
>bottom.
>The serial port goes into IR instead of serial at boot. But both IR
>and serial work just fine.
>
>Software:
>
>T2T memory drivers
>Software Carousel
>Lotus 2.4
>A86
>Battlog
>Charge version 2.7 (required to operate charger properly)
>Backlite 1.2 (needed to turn backlite on/off from keyboard)
>Convert
>Derive
>HP Deskjet 340 software
>Goin' Postal
>HDM
>Minix
>Paldraw
>Power Monitor
>Quicken for Dos version 7 (I believe)
>Stock Chart (need WWW/LX for that)
>
>No disks included
>
>Brand new 1800 Maha NiMH batteries included
>
>Everything works- I'm charging the batteries presently and using it-
>sold as is however.
>
>Price- open- make offer.Mainly I'm interested in getting enough money
>out of it to buy a IBM PC110 with at least 20 meg of ram and all
>accessories.
>
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:26:38 +0200
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Hi Ed

05h22m ago Ed Keefe wrote:

> The speed of switching and the ease of set up was what sold people on =
SC
> rather than Dosshell.


Not to forget the support of the LX-SC for automatic switching into
SysMgr when hitting a blue key or when an alarm is triggered.
Dosshell cannot do that, or can it?

GTX
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:26:40 +0200
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Hi Al

04h41m ago Al Kind wrote:

> I only got one copy of this message so far with one footer.

They come in time-shifted. Hours, if not days.
I cannot check that in detail at the moment because I am on vacation
and can only check for email once a day.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:33:50 +0200
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I just called to cancel my membership of Compuserve Classic and Bingo: I
will stay a memeber, not pay a monthly rate anymore (don't of course get
any free online time either, but I never used that up anyway), and can
go on using them for $ 3 per hour.
Many thanks to whoever gave that hint here first and highly recommended
to all those who might not have read it before. I'll even recommend
becoming a member for say a polite three months and calling to cancel
then - all those dial-in numbers all over are well worth it.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:58:21 -0400
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On 12-08 03:24 EDT, you wrote:

> I myself have since long been using Andrew8 which indeed handles the eu=
rosig
> n (fn+e) and abdmoon in addition to being a clean and easily readable f=
ont.

fn+e is already used on french HP200LX, to get the '=E8' character
(&eagrave;). Is it possible to change this combination?

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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:39:54 -0400
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On 13-08 19:04 EDT, you wrote:

> After years of avoiding it because it's horrible, I'm finally trying
> to teach myself to code in the C language.

I'm sure you'll enjoy writing in C.

> I've found GoToXY() which works fine, but although textcolor(),
> textbackground() and textattr() all are compiled without error, none
> of them seem to work, i.e. the text always gets displayed on the
> screen in the default colours.

If you use non standard functions such as textcolor(), gotoxy(),
textbackground(), or window(), you must go on and use cprintf() and
associated ones, instead of the ISO-standard printf(). I haven't seen
your code, so I may be wrong, I'm just guessing.

> I'm using TC201, and I've tried this on a W2000 DOS box, and on the

Although TC2.01 is a nice C compiler, I think TC++1.01 is a better one.
I've seen some preprocessor tricks that are ISO-approved and still don't
work on the TC201's preprocessor (they work flawlessly on the TC++101
one). Despite it's name, TC++ can compile both C and C++ programs (C and
C++ *are* different languages, C++ is *not* an "evolution" of the C
language).


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Date:         Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:51:06 -0400
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On 12-08 10:48 EDT, you wrote:

> I just purchased an excellent PDF converter than allows me
> to convert all business memos, presentations etc to PDF
> format, and password protect them from any changes. yes, I
> know the password protection can be cracked with some
> effort, but even signed paper documents can be faked with
> enough effort.  This is still better then sending out
> documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.

Using Office XP, you can now digitally sign your Office documents. I
tested it with Word and Excel documents, and it should also work with
PowerPoint ones.
The certificate used is a standard one (i.e. X.509) that you can either
create yourself, or purchase from any certificate vendor (such as
VeriSign).

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Erwann ABALEA wrote:
> Is it possible to change this combination?

Another question: I have one English 200 LX and although I generally
prefer it to German, all the Umlauts are three key combinations instead
of two for the German one. Is it possible to make an English LX accept
the German keyboard layout (and if that works to swap ROMs and insert
English software into German 700 LXs?)

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On Wednesday 14 August 2002 12:24 pm, Al Kind wrote:
> Actually this is a system test & off topic message ;-)
>
> I will need to synchronize my old OB800 OUTLOOK 2000 mail
> folders with my new FUJITSU box. Does anyone know an easy
> to do this?

I have used Outlook on two machine, but only one at a time.
I copy the PST and PAB files from one to the other when I
change machines - such as from a desktop to my laptop
before a trip.

I assume there is a better way.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:51:35 -0400
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On Wednesday 14 August 2002 10:08 pm, Eduardo Fake-O Name-O
wrote:
> Gateway regrets to inform me that they cannot fulfill the
> order however they offer me the $100 rebate on a $314 5
> GB drive... wow... that's... great..
>
Same here.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:55:37 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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On Wednesday 14 August 2002 08:51 pm, Erwann ABALEA wrote:
> On 12-08 10:48 EDT, you wrote:
> > I just purchased an excellent PDF converter than allows
> > me to convert all business memos, presentations etc to
> > PDF format, and password protect them from any changes.
> > yes, I know the password protection can be cracked with
> > some effort, but even signed paper documents can be
> > faked with enough effort.  This is still better then
> > sending out documents in Word or Power Point or Excel.
>
> Using Office XP, you can now digitally sign your Office
> documents. I tested it with Word and Excel documents, and
> it should also work with PowerPoint ones.
> The certificate used is a standard one (i.e. X.509) that
> you can either create yourself, or purchase from any
> certificate vendor (such as VeriSign).

Signing a document only allows you to verify that the
document has not been changed when you get it back. It does
not prevent others from extracting information from that
document or editing it and passing it on to others as your
work. That is what I need to prevent.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:17 +0200
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Can post/lx filter messages? I would like it to only get the header (to
another box?)if subject contains words like money, bussines or xxx etc etc
And also if it is not adressed to me. All other messages should be
retrived. Then I could delete the emails that I identify as spam
without having to download it. It is quite anoying to download 100k of
spam when You are using a cellphone.
?

Etienne Lemaire wrote:
> The filter file of Goin' Postal allows to skip, delete or get a
> message according to various criteria, one of them being the TO
> header.
> It can indeed prevent downloading a lot of spam, or simply
> leaving some messages from known senders on the server.
> AFAIK, the file size must be the limiting factor on the list of
> conditions.
>
> But then, I guess Post/Lx can do this too
>
> Etienne

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:19:36 +0200
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nice thing but quite new... and it does display vga-resolution pictures, but
would it show up as a real vga card (in the 200lx...)??? I think it won't,
actually, for the 200lx is not really new technology and has no p&p support
afaik. And it's to expensive to try (for me anyways...)


Greetz,

Niels

[n]
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:51 AM
Subject: VGA out card


Anyone thought of using this for presentations?

http://www.colorgraphic.co.uk/voyager.htm

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:53:41 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwann ABALEA" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: OT: C Programming Advice


> Despite it's name, TC++ can compile both C and C++ programs (C
and
> C++ *are* different languages, C++ is *not* an "evolution" of the
C
> language).

Amen!

However, when someone is just learning C I think they might be
better off with an imperfect (but really nice) C compiler than a
C++ compiler.  Having both makes things just a little more complex
in the command line version and a little more complex still in the
IDE version.

Not that I think it would be a problem, but why even a little add
complexity if you don't have to?

Of course I haven't kept up with the standard since retiring (and
not closely before that) so I'm not aware of the issues you've
described and maybe they're more important than I know.  Will they
really affect someone learning the language?

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:21:21 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Spam filter in post/lx? (Napster-style spam eliminator)
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Yes, of course, quite elaborate!

Check out the Filetr sections in the POST.CFG. Foremost - did you check the
F1 help topic in POST/LX? Filters are discussed in the advanced section -
use the F7 Search to reach that topic.

As for HEADERS ONLY - highlight the box in question on the main scree and
press D, watching the left hand character. It will go from a down-arro to
blank to "H" - again, you will find in the HELP Topics (PRESS F1 in the
Post/LX) the the H means downloading HEADERS only. You can select the
messages you want to download and those you want to kill at the server.

Instructions for that can also be found, yes, you guessed it! - in the Help
Topics of Post/LX. Use Help to check for CTRL-D for example.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND, as I have done many times, USE DOCIFY - a nice little
programs that will print out the POSTHELP.I file. You can then read the
information on paper if this format is easier for you than pressing F1 and
reading right off the screen.

At 8/15/02 09:01 AM, you wrote:
>Can post/lx filter messages?

Yes, VERY elaborate.

>I would like it to only get the header (to another box?)

Not to another box - it is the same mailbox! But in that mailbox you can
process and delete what you do not want to even download.

>if subject contains words like money, bussines or xxx etc etc
>And also if it is not adressed to me.

The first part I have been doing for years. I am not sure ho you could
redirect items NOT addressed to you, but easily can delete them AT the
server and NEVER download them.

>All other messages should be retrived.

The process is so: You make a run with Headers only. You mark what to
delete at the server, and what to download. You do a second run. In that
run, POST/LX deletes the junk AT THE SERVER, never even downloads, and you
do not pay for the download time just to delete it at the Palmtop. The
messages that should be downloaded are downloaded in full. You NEVER have
to change the DOWNLOAD MODE - Post/LX keeps track of the messages. On the
second run you will ALSO download MORE headers-only message which have
arrived. That is no problem for POST/LX, it keeps track of the messages,
and knows which are headers only (which you mark to d/l or to delete at
server) and which are messages d/l in full.

One caveat: Your ISP must be able to support UIDL, which is a feature of
mailboxes giving each email a unique ID. That is how POST/LX keeps track of
the messages. Almost all ISP mail serverssupport that feature, but it is
not out of the question to have a lame braindead ISP that decided against
this feature. Ask them if this is the case, and if they won't go somewhere
else, really. It is for YOUR convenience.

>Then I could delete the emails that I identify as spam without having to
>download it. It is quite anoying to download 100k of spam when You are
>using a cellphone.

See above!

You need to distinguish between filtering which is done to a message AFTER
POST/LX can see it on the palmtop - it then decides which folder to direct
the message to, and HEADERS ONLY which is simply downloading only a portion
of the emssage, leaving the rest on the server for later "treatment".

Good luck!

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:04:00 -0500
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It would need a dos point enabler to be used inthe LX.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:19:36 +0200, you wrote:

>nice thing but quite new... and it does display vga-resolution pictures,=
 but
>would it show up as a real vga card (in the 200lx...)??? I think it =
won't,
>actually, for the 200lx is not really new technology and has no p&p =
support
>afaik. And it's to expensive to try (for me anyways...)
>
>
>Greetz,
>
>Niels
>
>[n]
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Musielewicz" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:51 AM
>Subject: VGA out card
>
>
>Anyone thought of using this for presentations?
>
>http://www.colorgraphic.co.uk/voyager.htm
>
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:44 -0400
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This reminds me that at COMDEX in Atlanta one year (The same year that HP
released the 300lx), a vendor was promoting a VGA out PC Card that he and
his literature said would work with the 200lx.  I asked if he meant 300
instead of 200 and was told that it really was for the 200 and also for some
laptops.  I had paperwork including ordering info at the time but lost it
soon after.
I didn't need it then and really don't now, but it sure would be interesting
to see it in action.
Later,
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:15:11 +0100
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-----Original Message Begin-----
    From: "Victor Roberts" 
    Sent: 13/08/02 9:21:25 PM
    Today's column "Gripe Line" column by Ed Foster at
    Infoworld.com discusses a book that arrived with a shrink
    wrap license. The publishers of the book retain ownership
    of the book.
-----Original Message End-----

That seems like a problem with a simple solution. Send them =
shrinkwrapped payment with a licence agreement that you retain ownership =
of the cheque.

I find this trend slightly disturbing. Perhaps we ought to start voting =
with our feet before this sort of twaddle gets out of hand.

--=20
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:05:09 +0200
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Subject:      SV: Andrew fonts - Started as euro-sign
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Hi!

I have talked with Andrew Hilkowitz about this (not unexpected) view =
upon steeling the fn+e kombination from the accented e:s to the =
euro-sign. He has a point because the accented e:s are of course rather =
frequent in the French. Andrew=B4s and my question back is what key =
combination would be preferred. I know myself that most German/Nordic =
would not be well received by some of us. What about the fn+v producing =
the paragraf sign. That should be maybe more seldom used by most of us =
and could then be produced on those occasion by alt+menu+code. Another =
option could be the fn+g?=20
Any views?

Hans Jacob=20

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=C4mne: Re: Andrew fonts - Started as euro-sign


On 12-08 03:24 EDT, you wrote:

> I myself have since long been using Andrew8 which indeed handles the =
eurosig
> n (fn+e) and abdmoon in addition to being a clean and easily readable =
font.

fn+e is already used on french HP200LX, to get the '=E8' character
(&eagrave;). Is it possible to change this combination?

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:44:02 -0500
Reply-To:     John Musielewicz 
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Subject:      Re: Which flash card to choose
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The largest possible. You can never have enough storage. Teh acecard
driver for large flash cards is availible on super.

On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:22:46 +0100, you wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>Does any of you use a large capacity flash card (over 500 MB) with his
>palmtop? If so, which brand? Do you know if it also works in a double =
speed
>200LX?
>
>I am considering buying a large capacity flash card (PCCard format) for =
my
>palmtop but I have a 64MB double-speed (Times2Tech) and I previously had=
 a
>bad experience with a Compact Flash from Kingston that works fine in a
>single speed palmtop, but not in a double speed machine.
>
>Also, do you know where I can get the appropriate driver for the palmtop=
 to
>support large flash cards?
>
>Are there any other issues to check before buying a large flash card
>nowadays, such as 5V support?
>
>Thanks in advance for your answer, even if very short.
>
>
>F. Ennesser
>19, rue des Feuillantines
>75005 Paris
>Tel/Fax (33-1)4051-7580
>f.ennesser@computer.org
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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:52:57 +0200
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Victor Roberts wrote:
> It does
> not prevent others from extracting information from that
> document or editing it and passing it on to others as your
> work. That is what I need to prevent.

It does. All you need to do is leave your public key in a public place
(that's what it is there for, you also need a person's public key to
encrypt something that only he and noone else can read) and include info
of where to find it in the document. Of course anyone can also
substitute another URL or whatever for that key, but anybody who knows
enaugh about "Victor Roberts" to care if that text is from you yourself
or not ought to be able to check that.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:49:41 -0400
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On Thursday 15 August 2002 02:52 pm, Axel Berger wrote:
> Victor Roberts wrote:
> > It does
> > not prevent others from extracting information from
> > that document or editing it and passing it on to others
> > as your work. That is what I need to prevent.
>
> It does. All you need to do is leave your public key in a
> public place (that's what it is there for, you also need
> a person's public key to encrypt something that only he
> and noone else can read) and include info of where to
> find it in the document. Of course anyone can also
> substitute another URL or whatever for that key, but
> anybody who knows enaugh about "Victor Roberts" to care
> if that text is from you yourself or not ought to be able
> to check that.

This is "encryption" not "signing", and if I did that I
would be forcing people (my clients) to install PGP on
their computers. (We were discussing "signing" with PGP
weren't we?)

I want my client so be able to read the documents I send
with a minimum of fuss. Most of them have never used PGP.
They all have Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I believe the method I am using provides the protection I
need with the minimum amount of inconvenience to my clients.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:21:50 -0400
Reply-To:     N Knight 
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One of the happiest days of my life was
the day I cancelled Compuserve.
Compuserve and/or Bell Atlantic were
forwarding my calls from a local number
to a city where it was a toll call.
Neither would own up to it, so I
cancelled compuserve and got
a DSL line at a fraction fo the
cost for compuserve....

My monthly bills were over $100
with compuserve and the toll calls,
when I dumped compuserve I got
a DSL line for $42.00



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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:47:27 -0500
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I just found another drawing program similar to Dot called LDot
probably meaning LxDot.  It's a little different and I don't
remember writing it but I must have because I remember the include
files.

It doesn't have line drawing but it does have a primitive magnify
mode, or fat bits mode.  I kind of remember doing that.

Anyway if anyone wants it let me know.

Barry

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:44:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Ed Keefe 
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I just discovered 3 sets of Windows 3.0 and one set of FrameWork 4.0 for
DOS, in what's left of their shrink-wrapped packages.

 If anyone is interested in one or the other or both, let me know
*off-list*. The software is on the shelves of the local PC Users Group's
recycling shop.  The cost would probably be $5.00-10.00 + s/h per item. I'd
have to wheel and deal and, before doing that, I'd like to know if it's
worth doing.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:48:22 -0700
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My trusty HP200LX developed the dreaded hinge crack.  I have
cannibalized the hinge from another LX for the repair.  I have taken
some pictures while doing the repair.  I posted them at:

http://www.geocities.com/alfred1520/LX_hinge/index.html

thinking that they may be useful to others.

Sincerely,
Alfred Lee

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:52:14 +0200
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Hello Werner and Barry

10h57m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> besides, Barry, your private Email address bounced.

Interesting!
Everytime I try to send an email to Barry it bounces, too!

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:52:16 +0200
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Hi Francois

15h46m ago Francois Ennesser wrote:

> Also, do you know where I can get the appropriate driver for the =
palmtop to
> support large flash cards?

The driver is on www.palmtop.net in the SUPER archive. I think this
link should work:

http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/search.pl?Query:acecard

> Are there any other issues to check before buying a large flash card
> nowadays, such as 5V support?

Best is probably to try it directly before you buy.
If the LX can format the card (with format a:, if that doesn't work,
try fdisk100, then copy some files to a: and back...).

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:52:18 +0200
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Thu, 15.08.02 4:18 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I would suggest that someone updates the FAQ on www.hplx.net, there are
so many new frequently asked questions and facts now (about large flash
cards, online manual, backlight, wireless LAN, mobile Internet access,
modem connections in foreign countries.......

David, Ian, what about you? If you don't want, someone else could use
the existing FAQ and extend it, a direct link from www.palmtop.net
fromt page would be good, too.

BTW: For all those who asked me in private mail: Thanks for asking, and
yes, my face nerve is recovering again. I can already _slightly_ lift
the right corner of my mouth, and the lower right eyelid is also
jerking a little bit again. :-\  --> :-)

GTX
daniel



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Hmmm...I've been getting a lot of requests from people asking me to
send non-Microshaft commercial software that I have to them. I suppose
now people think because I claim to own the software I buy that means
I some sort of bootlegger. Forget it!!! Selling or giving away
commercial software and keeping a copy is the same as stealing it-
unless its a Microsoft product. Nothing wrong with taking a monopolies
product since they are illegal to start with and shouldn't even be in
the marketplace- they are 100% liable for anything that happens much
the same as someone driving without insurance is.

John

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Victor Roberts wrote:
> This is "encryption" not "signing", and if I did that I
> would be forcing people (my clients) to install PGP on
> their computers. (We were discussing "signing" with PGP
> weren't we?)

No you have it wrong. I don't know the details too well, I'm far more
lazy than paranoid, but both directions are present.
Encryption uses to public key to make stuff illegible to all but the one
with the private key;
signature uses the private key to create an appendix to a file, sort of
checksum, that can be verified using the public key. So it is legible to
anyone and verifyable by those using PGP too. Any reliable verification
will, I believe, involve forcing the reader to install something
compatible to the protection used.

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:42:40 +0200
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Axel Berger wrote:
> Is it possible to make an English LX accept the German keyboard

Werner has just answered that question in a private mail and reminded
me, that I already knew. I had read and forgotten D:\BIN\KEY200.TXT some
time ago. This opens up something else: Anybody redesigning for the Euro
sign can use anything he likes, like Fn+e, and the French can supply a
suitable redefintion from Fn+e to a sequence accent first followed by
letter and from something they prefer to Fn+e. Note that key200 is not
nested, i.e. you need not care about second level or circular
definitions. With all the possibilities the HP offers this is I think
better than trying to somehow please everybody - after all some people
might need the suggested =A7 a lot.

Axel

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Subject:              Re: Andrew fonts - Started as euro-sign
        Date:              Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:37:10 +0200
       From:              "Dr. Werner Furlan" 
 Organization:              OE9FWV
         To:              Axel Berger 


hallo Axel,=20

Axel Berger schrieb =FCber Re: Andrew fonts - Started as euro-sign:

> Erwann ABALEA wrote:
> > Is it possible to change this combination?
>=20
> Another question: I have one English 200 LX and although I generally pr=
efer it to German, all the Umlauts are three key combinations instead of =
two for the German one. Is it possible to make an English LX accept the G=
erman keyboard layout (and if that works to swap ROMs and insert English =
software into German 700 LXs?)
>=20
ich habe einen englischen HP mit deutschem Keyboard. Damit die=20
deutschen Umlaute auf dem HP wie bei einem deutschen funktionieren,=20
habe ich das Programm key200 (in d:\bin) mit einer key.ini geladen.
Das hat mir Thomas Rundel so installiert - funktioniert gut.

Aufruf:
d:\bin\key200 c:\bin\key200.ini

in der Key200.ini steht folgendes drin:

z : y ^y
y : z ^z

Fn a : u ^u ^Fn a
Fn o : u ^u ^Fn o
Fn u : u ^u ^Fn u

! Fn a : ^a Fn u ^u ^Fn a
! Fn o : ^o Fn u ^u ^Fn o
! Fn u : ^a Fn u ^u ^Fn u

Frag mich nicht was das bedeutet, aber es funktioniert.

servus,
Werner

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:15:33 +0100
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There is one feature of PGP though; if you sign an e-mail with say a Word
attachment, PGP will 'ASCII-Armour' the attachment, converting it to a .ASC
file.   You can't read it unless you reverse the process at the other end.
No problem if the person has PGP, but useless if they don't.  So making a
habit of PGP signing everything is not very handy.

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HPLX USERS GROUP - WORLDWIDE MEMBERSHIP BY LOCATION OF RESIDENCE
* From most recent HPLXUDB.GDB datafile dated 12 August 2002 *

Argentina .........................................          1
Australia .........................................         11
Austria ...........................................          3
Belgium ...........................................          4
Brazil ............................................          3
Canada ............................................         11
China .............................................          4
Czech Republic ....................................          1
Denmark ...........................................          2
England ...........................................          8
France ............................................         11
Germany ...........................................         26
Greece ............................................          1
Holland ...........................................          1
Hungary ...........................................          1
India .............................................          1
Indonesia .........................................          3
Ireland ...........................................          2
Italy .............................................          5
Japan .............................................         10
Lithuania .........................................          2
Malaysia ..........................................          1
Netherlands .......................................          5
New Zealand .......................................          5
Nigeria ...........................................          1
Norway ............................................          7
Pakistan ..........................................          1
Peru ..............................................          2
Portugal ..........................................          3
Scotland ..........................................          1
Singapore .........................................          4
South Africa ......................................          5
South Korea .......................................          1
Spain .............................................          7
Sultanate of Oman .................................          1
Sweden ............................................          4
Switzerland .......................................          5
Taiwan ............................................          2
Thailand ..........................................          2
 USA -  Alabama ..............................          3
 USA -  Arizona ..............................          4
 USA -  Arkansas .............................          1
 USA -  California ...........................         21
 USA -  Colorado .............................          6
 USA -  Connecticut ..........................          3
 USA -  DC ...................................          1
 USA -  Florida ..............................          6
 USA -  Georgia ..............................          2
 USA -  Hawaii ...............................          1
 USA -  Illinois .............................          7
 USA -  Indiana ..............................          3
 USA -  Iowa .................................          1
 USA -  Louisiana ............................          1
 USA -  MO ...................................          1
 USA -  Maryland .............................          3
 USA -  Massachusetts ........................          4
 USA -  Michigan .............................          3
 USA -  Missouri .............................          3
 USA -  Nevada ...............................          1
 USA -  New Jersey ...........................          2
 USA -  New Mexico ...........................          2
 USA -  New York .............................          8
 USA -  North Carolina .......................          5
 USA -  Ohio .................................          3
 USA -  Oregon ...............................          5
 USA -  South Carolina .......................          1
 USA -  Tennessee ............................          2
 USA -  Texas ................................          7
 USA -  Utah .................................          1
 USA -  Virginia .............................          4
 USA -  Washington ...........................          8
 USA -  Wisconsin ............................          2
 USA -  Wyoming ..............................          1
 USA -  x State Not Given x ..................         20

Total Users In USA  ...............................        146

Total Users In All Countries  .....................        314



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John,

At 8/16/02 01:06 AM, you wrote:
>Hmmm...I've been getting a lot of requests from people asking me to
>send non-Microshaft commercial software that I have to them. I suppose
>now people think because I claim to own the software I buy that means
>I some sort of bootlegger. Forget it!!!

Despite our exchanges on the topic, I want to assure you I never thought
you pirate software.

>Selling or giving away commercial software and keeping a copy is the same
>as stealing it

So far, I can say "Good man!"

>- unless its a Microsoft product. Nothing wrong with taking a monopolies
>product since they are illegal to start with and shouldn't even be in the
>marketplace- they are 100% liable for anything that happens much
>the same as someone driving without insurance is.

Ouch. This is like walking around with an open bowl full of gasoline around
amokers!   But I'll refrain from launching... I have nothing new to add.

Watch out for that bump on the floor! 

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:32:48 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx


> Hello Werner and Barry

> 10h57m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

>> besides, Barry, your private Email address bounced.

>> Interesting!
>> Everytime I try to send an email to Barry it bounces, too!

I think youre the one that had this problem last time.  Does it
only happen coming from Germany?  I wonder if that's the key?

Anyway I have another address at barryem AT yahoo DOT net.

Barry

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:50:42 +0200
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Hmm no prob from holland

could it be because KpnQwest has closed down? They owned the largest
intercontinal links between europe and the usa. I don't know if the
backbone's off now, but I notice internet (US sites mainly) being much
slower then before anyway. Lotsa DNS errors too (which could also be the
reason for the bouncing mail, if your provider cannot find barry's provider
(dns error) it will off course bounce).

Niels

[n]
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Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx
>
>
> > Hello Werner and Barry
>
> > 10h57m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:
>
> >> besides, Barry, your private Email address bounced.
>
> >> Interesting!
> >> Everytime I try to send an email to Barry it bounces, too!
>
> I think youre the one that had this problem last time.  Does it
> only happen coming from Germany?  I wonder if that's the key?
>
> Anyway I have another address at barryem AT yahoo DOT net.
>
> Barry
>
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Off course no problem from here, for I am using a US email provider for this
address... (Which is quite slow, since KpnQwest died, but no errors so far)

[n]
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Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx


> Hmm no prob from holland
>
> could it be because KpnQwest has closed down? They owned the largest
> intercontinal links between europe and the usa. I don't know if the
> backbone's off now, but I notice internet (US sites mainly) being much
> slower then before anyway. Lotsa DNS errors too (which could also be the
> reason for the bouncing mail, if your provider cannot find barry's
provider
> (dns error) it will off course bounce).
>
> Niels
>
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Hertrich" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: new bigfont.pcx
> >
> >
> > > Hello Werner and Barry
> >
> > > 10h57m ago Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:
> >
> > >> besides, Barry, your private Email address bounced.
> >
> > >> Interesting!
> > >> Everytime I try to send an email to Barry it bounces, too!
> >
> > I think youre the one that had this problem last time.  Does it
> > only happen coming from Germany?  I wonder if that's the key?
> >
> > Anyway I have another address at barryem AT yahoo DOT net.
> >
> > Barry
> >
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Hi Axel

19h30m ago Axel Berger wrote:

> I just called to cancel my membership of Compuserve Classic and Bingo: =
I
> will stay a memeber, not pay a monthly rate anymore (don't of course =
get
> any free online time either, but I never used that up anyway), and can
> go on using them for $ 3 per hour.

Congratulations!
But maybe only Compuserve in Germany makes that offer? Or does anyone
outside Germany also get Compuserve without a monthly fee now?

> Many thanks to whoever gave that hint here first and highly recommended

That was I. I wanted to cancel after only one month of membership. I
became a member actually only for one trip to Canada two years ago,
then when I wanted to cancel the account they asked me to stay.

> to all those who might not have read it before. I'll even recommend
> becoming a member for say a polite three months and calling to cancel
> then - all those dial-in numbers all over are well worth it.

For sure!
And you have only lost a few monthly rates if they really don't offer
that membership.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:06:08 +0200
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Hi Erwann

1 day 11h09m ago Erwann ABALEA wrote:

> fn+e is already used on french HP200LX, to get the '=E8' character
> (&eagrave;). Is it possible to change this combination?

On my German LX I also get the $eagrave;, although it is not printed on
the keyboard foil.

GTX
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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:29:23 +0200
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> On my German LX I also get the $eagrave;, although it is not
> printed on the keyboard foil.

I just went through them: All letter keys on my German machine yield
results for Fn+key. By the way, as the German handbooks do not give the
German but only standard American plus Greek, Cyrillic etc. tables: The
double dot, needed for =EB and =EF (remember Mr. Pi=EBch?) normally fopun=
d
above u is relocated to p on German machines.
So anything we do will replace something. I suggest Fn+e is the most
intuitive and for everybody finding that inconvienient key200 is an easy
option.

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:59:15 +0200
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Hello again!

I also looked at the keys on my Euro-English machines where with or =
without overlay symbols all keys are taken with the exception the key l. =
I am not sure if fn+l could be made to do something useful like calling =
Euro. Looking at the CP850 the place of accent grave e with its normal =
code 138 is in the Andrew font taken by the Euro symbol (whatever that =
correctly should be, 200 something) and I do not know if the HP CP850 =
could accept adding symbols and codes only exchanging like Andrew =
Hilkowithz did.

I would then agree with Axel and not ask Andrew at this stage to rework =
his fonts because it will just be a merry go round trying to find some =
symbol that could be sacrificed and then there will be other interested =
parties defending that.I would certainly do that when my favourites are =
threathend.

Keybiz could then it seems be the way out in some cases.

Hans Jacob



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=C4mne: Re: Andrew fonts - Started as euro-sign


Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> On my German LX I also get the $eagrave;, although it is not
> printed on the keyboard foil.

I just went through them: All letter keys on my German machine yield
results for Fn+key. By the way, as the German handbooks do not give the
German but only standard American plus Greek, Cyrillic etc. tables: The
double dot, needed for =EB and =EF (remember Mr. Pi=EBch?) normally =
fopund
above u is relocated to p on German machines.
So anything we do will replace something. I suggest Fn+e is the most
intuitive and for everybody finding that inconvienient key200 is an easy
option.

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On Friday 16 August 2002 04:06 am, Axel Berger wrote:
> Any reliable verification will, I
> believe, involve forcing the reader to install something
> compatible to the protection used.

Not so. I am not trying to prevent anyone from reading my
memo. I just want to insure that they cannot change it and
send it on as something that I wrote. Yes, they must have
Adobe Acrobat Reader, or some compatible program, but that
is free and does not require any setup or "keys" to read my
memos.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:13 +0200
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Hi Bob

20h52m ago Bob Penick wrote:

> This reminds me that at COMDEX in Atlanta one year (The same year that =
HP
> released the 300lx), a vendor was promoting a VGA out PC Card that he =
and
> his literature said would work with the 200lx.  I asked if he meant 300
> instead of 200 and was told that it really was for the 200 and also for =
some
> laptops.  I had paperwork including ordering info at the time but lost =
it
> soon after.

This card would be _the_ solution for people wanting to show
presentations using the LX. The card would be the only possible
interface between the LX's CGA screen and a VGA projector.
Even if the output would only be mapped CGA or even not mapped CGA
(something like the conn pack CGA window  on a VGA screen), it would
still be useful. So, if you remember anything, I'm sure some people
would find it very interesting (me included).

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:14 +0200
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Hi Hans Jacob

20h02m ago Hans Jacob Waern wrote:

> I have talked with Andrew Hilkowitz about this (not unexpected) view =
upon steeling the fn+e kombination from the accented e:s to the
> euro-sign. He has a point because the accented e:s are of course rather =
frequent in the French. Andrew=B4s and my question back is what key
> combination would be preferred. I know myself that most German/Nordic =
would not be well received by some of us. What about the fn+v producing
> the paragraf sign. That should be maybe more seldom used by most of us =
and could then be produced on those occasion by alt+menu+code. Another
> option could be the fn+g?

...and another thing is the compatibility to ISO-8859-15, which might
me destroyed if the code is freely chosen just to let you use a certain
key combination!

If I exchange text with others using common ISO-8859-15 encoding, it
would be good to be able to read the Euro signs and let others read the
own ones, too.

Another point is email. Post/LX doesn't support ISO-8859-15, so it will
never show the Euro sign, although the font contains it. :-(

Avi, do you think Andreas could add -15 encoding to Post/LX easily? It
is more and more commonly used on European mail clients, mainly because
of the Euro sign, but many people simply switch to -15, because it is
the "new version" of -1, so they always send out -15 encoded messages,
regardless if they contain the -15-specific characters or not. That
means, more and more messages are shown undecoded in Post/LX.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:16 +0200
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Fri, 16.08.02 5:18 PM +0200

Hi friends,

since I use the Euro-sign advanced version of Helv200 now, I'm now
diving deeper into custom fints on the LX.

Could anyone please guide me through the process of modifying a
character of a font? I don't like the mid-size m of helv200. It looks
too much squeezed for my taste, the small-size m is better, because the
middle leg of it is shorter.

Thanks
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Fri, 16.08.02 6:18 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I just noticed that the font has switched back to th built-in ones
again, although I have loaded the helv200 font at startup with
autoexec.bat.

This has happened once before, I don't know yet what this is triggered
by, does anyone know what causes this and how it can be avoided?

I load the font as the very first action in autoexec.bat, and it works
for a while in all 8 SC work areas. But suddenly it uses the default
fonts again.

I mainly use Post/LX, AppMgr and 1-2-3 2.4 (not the ROM version), als
LXTEL, MM/LX. Haven't used anything else by now when it switched back.

Could it be that the font is simply overwritten, because I have set up
the memory pool of SC so large that an additional TSR in the general
autoexec.bat causes problems?

Would that mean that I either had to set up each wOrk Area to a smaller
max size or the font in each work area seperately?

Thanks
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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:20 +0200
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Fri, 16.08.02 6:45 PM +0200

Hi friends,

what is the easiesrt way to combine the capabilities and the setup of
PNS200 with something which can show the contents of a ZIP file (such
as z-ray), so that I can mark e.g. the readme.txt in the zip archive,
readme.txt is extracted temporarily and PNS200.exe readme.txt is called =
so
that I can choose via PNS200 which action is performed using
readme.txt?

And yes, I really want to use PNS200 and no replacement which might me
included in Xtree gold or norton/volkov commander.

Thanks
daniel

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Fri, 16.08.02 8:54 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I would like to add a section to the 200LX FAQ or to my homepage
listing the high capacity flash cards which work with the LX.

So please, post your experiences!

It seems that all cards up to 96 (or 128?) MB work without the acecard
driver, right?

Please provide as much info as possible:

1. LX model
2. LX ROM version (shown at startup)
3. Doublespeed upgraded machine?
4. Flash card: brand
5. full size ATA or CF?
6. model, capacity?
7. all model numbers you can find on the card
8. acecard driver needed?
9. anything else you consider relevant

please post that info to
OMNIBOOK at DANIEL-HERTRICH dot DE

Thanks a lot
daniel



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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:26 +0200
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Hi Tony

1 week 5 days 14h29m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:

> Daniel, apart from news.cis.dfn.de , if you travel to the USA
> you may use news.teranews.com in a similar way. They do charge
> an initial fee of $3.95 for Login/Password but allow up to
> 50MB of download per day. Retention is not as good as
> cis.dfn.de, but they carry all newsgroups.

Thank you, but for me this won't be important, since I certainly will
not need newsgroup access when in USA. At least not as long as I don't
work and live there.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:28 +0200
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Hi Ted

1 week 4 days 06h16m ago Theodore Heise wrote:

> Well, you didn't specify if you were getting partial crap or total
> crap.     I don't suppose the extra linefeed character (^M)
> used by DOS is the problem?

Total crap.
Well, I haven't tried to print ASCII text, but graphics (a DIN A4 paper
of LaTeX set text), and what I got were ASCII and other characters,
spread over many pages. Lots of line feeds and page feeds.

Still looking for a solution.

GTX
daniel

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Hi Radek

1 week 4 days 04h47m ago Svagr, Radek wrote:

> > screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the HPLX?
>
> Inverter will use a chip from SIPEX don't remember exact part number. =
Will
> fit
> into the hinge.

Is the inverter easily built from the SIPEX chip or does it involve
much SMD soldering or even PCB etching?

> See above. The interest was not so big as I originally expected BUT I =
still
> WANT
> to make that kit. I have some parts of the project "partially" ready.

Please let us know!

GTX
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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:32 +0200
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Hi Lenny

1 week 2 days 01h55m ago Cavalier Leonard W CRBE wrote:

> I don't know if anyone has answered your question already - it's been a =
while.  Or maybe you already thought of this and need a more controllable =
method... My idea is to initiate a HotSync on the OmniGo (from the Home =
screen, Transfer, PC (the F1 soft
> key), then connect.  Now the OmniGo tries to establish a connection =
through the serial port, I'm not sure exactly if this procedure would =
apply power to the appropriate line of the serial port, but it's worth a =
try.

..and indeed, the LED light lights up! :-) It works as nicely and
brightly as on a 200LX. Now we only need a program which enables the
port even when not synching.

GTX
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:09:36 +0200
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Hi everyone
especially Daniel

I have 200LX 2MB=20
ROM 1.02=20
WIth 32MHz upgrade
64MB PQI Compact Flash and it doesn't work without the acecard driver.
on the card is written :P/N FC064,  5Q62D and 164822200007 (it is the =
serial number i think) on the label.

Martin

-----Original Message-----
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Fri, 16.08.02 8:54 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I would like to add a section to the 200LX FAQ or to my homepage
listing the high capacity flash cards which work with the LX.

So please, post your experiences!

It seems that all cards up to 96 (or 128?) MB work without the acecard
driver, right?

Please provide as much info as possible:

1. LX model
2. LX ROM version (shown at startup)
3. Doublespeed upgraded machine?
4. Flash card: brand
5. full size ATA or CF?
6. model, capacity?
7. all model numbers you can find on the card
8. acecard driver needed?
9. anything else you consider relevant

please post that info to
OMNIBOOK at DANIEL-HERTRICH dot DE

Thanks a lot
daniel



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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:46:04 -0700
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For those who may be interested, there are several Accton EN2216-2's
currently being auctioned on eBay.

http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=accton+en2216*&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&srchdesc=y&BasicSearch=++

Be advised that they are Australian cards, so you may need to insert them
upside-down. ;-)

I have no connection to the seller.

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:33:09 -0700
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Don't know if this actually get to the list server.  Trying again.

Alfred Lee

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Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Hip (hinge) replacement surgery


>My trusty HP200LX developed the dreaded hinge crack.  I have
>cannibalized the hinge from another LX for the repair.  I have taken
>some pictures while doing the repair.  I posted them at:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/alfred1520/LX_hinge/index.html
>
>thinking that they may be useful to others.
>
>Sincerely,
>Alfred Lee
>
>

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Hi=20

As i see in the datasheet for the inverters - it is quite simple to =
build it( it has only 6parts (all can be SMD) + the IC), and it doesn't =
require much (if any) PCB.
About soldering  - The ICs have only 8 legs, so it is simple...

Martin

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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:19 PM
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
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Hi Radek

1 week 4 days 04h47m ago Svagr, Radek wrote:

> > screen? And where did you get an inverter which fits inside the =
HPLX?
>
> Inverter will use a chip from SIPEX don't remember exact part number. =
Will
> fit
> into the hinge.

Is the inverter easily built from the SIPEX chip or does it involve
much SMD soldering or even PCB etching?

> See above. The interest was not so big as I originally expected BUT I =
still
> WANT
> to make that kit. I have some parts of the project "partially" ready.

Please let us know!

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:38:23 -0400
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Hi all,

Warning!  Please do not misinterpret the enthusiasm expressed in this
post for anything negative, whatsoever.

I'm just curious why there hasn't been much interest expressed yet in the
486 based handheld computer/phone as a possible future replacement for
the HP200LX.   Are 9110 communicators too hard to find?  Are the
remaining challenges more problems than they are really worth?

I, myself, have no interest in the phone part of the 9110 Communicator,
but the 486 based computer part with access to DOS is really intriguing
to me.

The information and descriptions of all of the work done in the past on
the 9110 Communicator found in the URL offered in a previous post had me
kind of excited that the 9110 Communicator just might be the future
HP200LX replacement that everyone has been waiting for.

Then again, I've never programmed in anything but proprietary forms of
interpreted BASIC and have no certifications at all, so maybe that is the
reason why the lack of interest in the 486 based 9110 communicator
surprises me so much.

Could someone please explain this to me?  I would really like to
understand what aspect(s) of that possible project or characteristic(s)
of the 9110 Communicator has caused so many wonderfully talented people
here to pass up what appears to me to be an incredible opportunity.

Thanks in advance. :-)

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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Axel,
  Same here.  I cancelled my normal $10/mo account and replaced it with =
$0/mo and a 10cents/minute charge.  But if your number is correct then I =
am paying twice per minute what you are paying.  hmmmmm.

Larry


> I just called to cancel my membership of Compuserve Classic and Bingo: =
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get any free online time either, but I never used that up anyway), and =
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--
 03h52m ago, on 2002-08-16, Daniel Hertrich wrote:=09=09

> But maybe only Compuserve in Germany makes that offer? Or
> does anyone outside Germany also get Compuserve without a
> monthly fee now?

Hi Daniel,

"Compuserve Pacific" offer pay-as-you-go. I am on that.
I know Compuserve UK did have that plan once but not any more.

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:27:30 +0530
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here's another one that claims to give
a usb port to older machines (possible ?)

dunno if it'll work with lx200/700

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204480481
6

..pk


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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's


> For those who may be interested, there are several Accton
EN2216-2's
> currently being auctioned on eBay.
>
>
http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPIComman
d=GetResult&query=accton+en2216*&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&So
rtProperty=MetaEndSort&srchdesc=y&BasicSearch=++
>
> Be advised that they are Australian cards, so you may need
to insert them
> upside-down. ;-)
>
> I have no connection to the seller.
>
> ...Gary
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:09:30 +0200
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Hans Jacob Waern wrote:
> all keys are taken with the exception the key l.

Yes that is a bit funny. My English one is the same, the German machine
has got the pound currency symbol there as well as on the blue phone
key.
But you just brought up something more important I had not thought
about:

> Looking at the CP850 the place of accent grave e with its normal
> code 138 is in the Andrew font taken by the Euro symbol

I had only thought about keys so far. Replacing characters means they
can't be shown in any way and thus not reached by, say Fn+ .
I suppose =E8 is too important to too many for that. So for permanent
removal I should suggest one of the block graphics 176-178, 219-223 and
254 (key200 ought to be able to do  too) or perhaps
the Peseta, 158, aren't they Euro now too?

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:14:46 +0200
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Victor Roberts wrote:
> I just want to insure that they cannot change it and
> send it on as something that I wrote.

Anyone with an Adobe writer can create any .PDF they like and then say
it's yours. True it will involve a little more work than just altering a
few characters of ASCII, maybe even mean redoing your version from
scratch, but why shouldn't it be done? If you are content with making
things tedious for the forger you may find that sufficient, safe it is
not.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:23:04 +0200
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> If I exchange text with others using common ISO-8859-15 encoding

Good point, although the double corner is one of the IBM grapics I have
been using from time to time and they used to be not uncommon for tables
and such before all printers were GDI or used as such.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:41:13 +0200
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John J Vanderstel wrote:
> Are 9110 communicators too hard to find?

Well like the HP they are not made any more, so the reasons for using
one "dead" technology as replacement for another would have to be pretty
compelling. Are they?
I have a 9000 but never used it, as I found the 700 shortly after. As
replacement for my previous Atari portfolio it would have needed a
spreadsheet and on top that costing money i found the 9000's OS to be
extremely slow. Don't know about later models like 9110, I never saw
them cheap enaugh to jump in.

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> Well, I haven't tried to print ASCII text, but graphics (a DIN A4 paper
> of LaTeX set text), and what I got were ASCII and other characters,
> spread over many pages. Lots of line feeds and page feeds.

That does not tell you a lot, it is caused by one single misinterpreted
byte at the beginning, as I have often found when using the "On" or
printer switch at the wrong time.
You should try letters and sequences from a simple DOS application that
sends to the printer exactly what you see on the screen, i.e. not Memo
but Volkov.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:41:55 +0200
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Subject:      old and a few newer games
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Nice site, wich much of you probably know already :)

www.classic-trash.com ... really much games, with good info and =
downloads. For it has many old games (early 80's) there are many games =
that will run on our beloved palmtops.. ;) Also there are some 'friend' =
sites listed like 'abandon loader' or 'best of old games' which sound =
promising but I have not yet checked them out.

Off course I will not encourage you to download these abandoned games =
for it's not legal to do so but there's a lot of info on the games so =
that's a good reason to check it out :D

Niels

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Nice site, wich much of =
you probably=20
know already :)


 


www.classic-trash.com ... =
really much=20
games, with good info and downloads. For it has many old games (early =
80's)=20
there are many games that will run on our beloved palmtops.. ;) Also =
there=20
are some 'friend' sites listed like 'abandon loader' or 'best of =
old games'=20
which sound promising but I have not yet checked them out.


 


Off course I will not =
encourage you=20
to download these abandoned games for it's not legal to do so but =
there's a lot=20
of info on the games so that's a good reason to check it out =
:D


 


Niels



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From: "John J Vanderstel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: The 486 based 9110 Communicator that offers access to DOS


> I'm just curious why there hasn't been much interest expressed
yet in the
> 486 based handheld computer/phone as a possible future
replacement for
> the HP200LX.   Are 9110 communicators too hard to find?  Are the
> remaining challenges more problems than they are really worth?
>
> Could someone please explain this to me?  I would really like to
> understand what aspect(s) of that possible project or
characteristic(s)
> of the 9110 Communicator has caused so many wonderfully talented
people
> here to pass up what appears to me to be an incredible
opportunity.

I think the answer is kind of the opposite question.  If people
were interested, why?

We have a fully compatible dos computer.  I personally don't want
an occasionally compatible one.

The 200lx can use thousands of existing dos programs.  There aren't
many programs for the 9110.  Even if there were enough, everyones's
tastes are different.  A lot of people, possibly most, won't be
satisfied with the available selection.

Writing software for a compatible dos computer lets it have a
larger audience than the 200lx but the software writen for the
phone would have a tiny audience.  That means programmers who want
to make a few dollars won't be interested in that platform.  So the
software selection is likely to remain limited.

I wouldn't be surprised if some hobbiests used the 9110 and maybe
some others will decide it works for them.  I don't remember the
specs now but I read them when that post was made and I remember
thinking if I wanted another platform to play with as a hobbiest
that would probably be a fun one.  But probably a frustrating one
with it's limitations.  With programming, fun and frustration often
go together. :)

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On Saturday 17 August 2002 04:14 am, Axel Berger wrote:
> Victor Roberts wrote:
> > I just want to insure that they cannot change it and
> > send it on as something that I wrote.
>
> Anyone with an Adobe writer can create any .PDF they like
> and then say it's yours. True it will involve a little
> more work than just altering a few characters of ASCII,
> maybe even mean redoing your version from scratch, but
> why shouldn't it be done? If you are content with making
> things tedious for the forger you may find that
> sufficient, safe it is not.

Anyone can also take any piece of paper and create a forged
copy of any document I write.  The world is not a safe
place and secure place. Any adult knows that.

This has become an inane discussion. if you want to
continue this argument you will have to do it with someone
else.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:24:26 -0400
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On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:57 pm, pksharma wrote:
> here's another one that claims to give
> a usb port to older machines (possible ?)
>
> dunno if it'll work with lx200/700
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204480
>481 6

This is a USB-to-Serial converter, not a Serial-to-USB
converter. I have a similar one. I use it with a notebook
that does not have a serial port but does have USB ports to
connect serial devices, such as my cell phone.

I can't find any comment on the auction page about a claim
to give a USB port to older machines.

Even if it were a Serial-to-USB converter (which it is not)
 it would only be the "hardware" part of the solution. You
would still need a driver that runs on the LX in order to
connect to USB devices.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:05:19 +0000
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> This card would be _the_ solution for people wanting to show
> presentations using the LX. The card would be the only possible
> interface between the LX's CGA screen and a VGA projector.

Those who follow the LIST for years should remember some
approaches of making VGA cards work on the Palmtop. They all
failed. I remember some:

-Voyager VGA card
-ez2vga card
-ezpresenter

The people involved were:

-Rick Kozak
-Mack Baggette
-John Musielewicz

Mack was able to make one card work to a certain extend, but it
was useless for applications not being written with the VGA
card in mind.

I remember three tasks to be done:

1. a new PCMCIA driver
2. a new BIOS for INT10h supporting VGA
3. new applications using the new INT10h functions

In my archives I found an email to Rick and John from 1998:

Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:12:08 +0000
From: stefan.peichl@metronet.de
To: "Rick Kozak" 
Subject: Re: vga card
Cc: musi0009@tc.umn.edu
X-Mailer: POST/LX 2.0

Hello Rick,

thank you for the sample code on how to access the vga card.
I had a look at it and found out that it would not work on the
palmtop. Your code talks to the card through port 3E0h (index)
and 3E1h (data). These ports are not available (implemented) on
the palmtop. At the time, the palmtop was designed, PCMCIA was
only specified for memory cards.

Hence the palmtop has built in SocketServices and a CardBios
dealing *ONLY* with memory cards. For that reason the palmtop
comes with a special modem card enabler (CIC100) to allow the
use of modems in the palmtop. I guess you are familiar with
PCMCIA software architecture: The palmtop's SocketSercives are
an incompatible subset of todays SocketServices. The same
applies to the palmtop's CardBios.

To access a non-memory card on the palmtop, you have to use the
lowest level to talk to the card. That is, you have to analyse
the card's CIS (tuples) and configure it by writing the
appropriate values into the card's FCRs (function configuration
registers).

This is not a big problem for modem cards, because usually you
only have to write one FCR (the COR) to put the modem into I/O
mode. Then the modem behaves like the build in serial port.
I did that in my LXCIC modem card enabler with success.

The VGA card however would need much more care. In fact, I
think, a new CardBios has to be written to allow read/write to
the cards memory. Sure this can be done, but I don't think it
is worth the trouble and it would take a lot of time.

Your code seems to work with PCMCIA'95 specification, that is,
with CardBios and SocketSevices compatible with PCMCIA'95.

Maybe it would be worth to port new CardBios/SocketSevice to
the palmtop, replacing it's old ROM versions. The advantage
would be, to be able to use also other newer PCMCIA cards
besides the VGA card.

However I don't know, if the palmtop's PCMCIA controller would
allow the use of never features.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:07:26 +0200
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Subject:      Jewel Mobile Harddisk
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Hello fellow listers,

I just found a maybe intersting piece of hardware
It is an external harddisc container which you can connect via PCMCIA =
(or usb if you choose that solution). Without an harddisk it costs here =
Euro99 incl tax (about $99). You can put any 2,5" disk in it. I don't =
know if it requires an external power source, if not I don't think it =
will work in the HP because a normal hd uses draws much current. You'll =
also need some special driver, because I don't think your HP will =
support a 10gb harddrive due to bios limitations...
It can be found at this URL: =
http://www.jewelnotebooks.com/index.php?page=3Dproducts-etc
I don't think it's very expensive, but a bit unpractial for it is =
external. And who needs gb's of storage space on his/hers LX? But I =
thought i'dd let you know anyway

Niels

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Hello fellow =
listers,


 


I just found a maybe =
intersting piece=20
of hardware


It is an external =
harddisc container=20
which you can connect via PCMCIA (or usb if you choose that solution). =
Without=20
an harddisk it costs here Euro99 incl tax (about $99). You can put any =
2,5" disk=20
in it. I don't know if it requires an external power source, if not I =
don't=20
think it will work in the HP because a normal hd uses draws much =
current.=20
You'll also need some special driver, because I don't =
think your=20
HP will support a 10gb harddrive due to bios limitations...


It can be found at this =
URL: http=
://www.jewelnotebooks.com/index.php?page=3Dproducts-etc


I don't think it's very =
expensive,=20
but a bit unpractial for it is external. And who needs gb's of storage =
space on=20
his/hers LX? But I thought i'dd let you know anyway


 


Niels



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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:08:00 -0400
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On 16-08 04:42 EDT, you wrote:

> Werner has just answered that question in a private mail and reminded
> me, that I already knew. I had read and forgotten D:\BIN\KEY200.TXT some

Thanks Axel, I also forgot about the key200 utility.
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On 15-08 12:53 EDT, you wrote:

> Of course I haven't kept up with the standard since retiring (and
> not closely before that) so I'm not aware of the issues you've
> described and maybe they're more important than I know.  Will they
> really affect someone learning the language?

Since that user might use another C compiler conforming at least to the
ISO C90 standard (almost exactly the same as the ANSI C89 one), my
advice would be to use an ISO compliant compiler. TC201 is dated 1988,
and TC++101 is dated 1990, so TC201 cannot be ISO compliant. That can be
a problem for the beginner, switching between the
pre-ISO-C90-but-nice-TC201 and a fully ISO-C90 compiler, if not a fully
ISO-C99 compiler (the language has evolved, again, and gcc 3 is C99
compliant).
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:55:41 -0400
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On 15-08 09:55 EDT, you wrote:

> Signing a document only allows you to verify that the
> document has not been changed when you get it back. It does
> not prevent others from extracting information from that
> document or editing it and passing it on to others as your
> work. That is what I need to prevent.

Do you trust the people you sent your documents to? If not, then your
problem is somewhat tricky. I would take a look at watermarking, but
that only works on 'analogical' documents (images, videos, sounds), i.e.
documents that can accept some modifications without disturbing the
reader.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:51:03 -0400
Reply-To:     Erwann ABALEA 
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On 16-08 05:15 EDT, you wrote:

> There is one feature of PGP though; if you sign an e-mail with say a Word
> attachment, PGP will 'ASCII-Armour' the attachment, converting it to a .ASC
> file.   You can't read it unless you reverse the process at the other end.
> No problem if the person has PGP, but useless if they don't.  So making a
> habit of PGP signing everything is not very handy.

This is what we call "opaque signing" in the S/MIME world. The benefit
is that the signature is always transmitted along with the document. The
drawback, as you mentioned it, is that any PGP or S/MIME unaware
software won't be able to do anything with this object.

Victor, I would suggest that you digitally sign your documents, and send
them encapsulated inside an S/MIME encrypted mail. The most common MUAs
(namely Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape, and others) understand
S/MIME. Your recipients must have a valid certificate, though. If that's
not an option, maybe something like the 'aCrypt' product from DataRescue
could do the job.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:21:19 +0200
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So, it's weekend so I have the time to re-unite with the programming
environment (qb4.5 actually) and continue programming on my backup aid.

about the upgrade problem

If I understood well, if the backup program is run after the upgrade
drivers, no special tricks are required to make the program function well.

(by Daniel)---------------------------
My experience is that it always detects the upgrade and if it is not
initialized yet (but doesn't contain valid data anymore, either) the
drvier will ask you to agree to the initialization and then initializes
it.
--------------------------------------------

for Dr. Werner Furlan, maybe you have old drivers, or did install them in a
different manner than Daniel did, for your problem seems not to occur in
Daniels' situation.

(He needed to re-initialize his upgraded drive manually after a crash)


I will make the program check for a certain file to exist, because indexing
a 2mb is not really so slow, but indexing a 64mb uprade will be, even on a
double speed hplx. Also it will do the voltage check and dbase check. I
think I will implement something to configure the paths that should be
backupped together with battery values, so you can leave less important
things out of the backup but backup the really important things if battery
is low, for example.
I will make the pogram configurable for 1, 2 or 3 looping backups, and 1
manual backup, unless someone complains about that :)


let me know!


Greetz,

Niels

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:51:48 +1200
Reply-To:     Roger Whitmarsh 
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I wrote:
>> I've found GoToXY() which works fine, but although textcolor(),
>> textbackground() and textattr() all are compiled without error, none
>> of them seem to work, i.e. the text always gets displayed on the
>> screen in the default colours.
Erwann replied:
>If you use non standard functions such as textcolor(), gotoxy(),
>textbackground(), or window(), you must go on and use cprintf() and
>associated ones, instead of the ISO-standard printf(). I haven't seen
>your code, so I may be wrong, I'm just guessing.
Good guess!!! Exactly right. I hadn't spotted cprintf(), but
it certainly does what I was trying to do. Thanks very much
for that.
Now I'm stuck on setting the background colour of the whole
screen, not just the text. Any clues anyone? I'd like to avoid
int86 calls, as I get the impression that its handling may be
inconsistent across different PCs. Please correct me if I'm
wrong.
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:08:58 +1200
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Barry wrote:
>However, when someone is just learning C I think they might be
>better off with an imperfect (but really nice) C compiler than a
>C++ compiler.  Having both makes things just a little more complex
>in the command line version and a little more complex still in the
>IDE version.
I agree. I have Turbo-C++ 3.0 as well, but it looks pretty
scary. That's why I thought I'd start with just C.
I must comment that I've never seen a language that comes
with so little function in the 'base' instruction set as C.
Everything vaguely useful seems to be in libraries that vary
depending upon which C compiler you use. That's my impression
anyway. I guess REXX and ASIC spoilt me.
Thanks for your help,
Cheers, Roger

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Date:         Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:09:34 +0530
Reply-To:     pksharma 
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Subject:      Re: serial to usb convertor (?) cable on ebay .. IT IS A SERIAL
              TO USB !
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hello victor/friends

i thought so too .. and sent an email .. i quote reply :

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QUOTE

Hi there,

It converts a serial device into a USB port. It will allow
you to plug any serial device into a PC without a serial
port using the USB port.

 Thank you!
 The Deluo Team

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 hello deluollc

 this is NOT a serial to usb ..
 its a usb to serial convertor

 pl confirm

 i see that it plugs into a usb port and gives a
 serial 9 pin male db connection .. so that older
 legacy devices can be used

 you make it appear that this has a 9pin female DB
 connection which plugs into a normal 9pin male DB
 connection and gives a usb connection so that newer
 devices can be used on the older desktops/notebooks

 pl confirm


 thanking you,

 yours truly,

 pk sharma

 www.comnetresources.com
 www.pksharma.com
 pksharma@india.com

 UNQUOTE
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dunno abt the lx part of it .. but for older desktops ?
maybe its a good thing .. and the drivers .. well
its a new box .. everything shd be there.. may not
be there, too .. its a very small pack !

sorry for the looong msg .. as it includes both the
reply and victor's msg .. but BOTH are relevant.

..pk

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From: Victor Roberts 
To: pksharma ;

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: serial to usb convertor (?) cable on ebay


> On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:57 pm, pksharma wrote:
> > here's another one that claims to give
> > a usb port to older machines (possible ?)
> >
> > dunno if it'll work with lx200/700
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204480
> >481 6
>
> This is a USB-to-Serial converter, not a Serial-to-USB
> converter. I have a similar one. I use it with a notebook
> that does not have a serial port but does have USB ports
to
> connect serial devices, such as my cell phone.
>
> I can't find any comment on the auction page about a claim
> to give a USB port to older machines.
>
> Even if it were a Serial-to-USB converter (which it is
not)
>  it would only be the "hardware" part of the solution. You
> would still need a driver that runs on the LX in order to
> connect to USB devices.
>
> --
> Vic Roberts
>
>

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:02:55 +0200
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Hi friends!

Sorry, if this message will appear twice but as I have not got it myself =
after 7 hours, I want to check if all is well in the pipeline.

Regards

Hans Jacob

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Hi!

Axel`s suggestion showed another of the snags we have here, iand is if =
we are talking about CP437 or CP850. The peseta sign is certainly 158 in =
CP437 s Axel writes but this is a "=D7" in CP850 (and on the standard =
Euro English overlay fn+*). The two accented French "e" have the same =
codes in both CP:s. The system manager works by default with 850 - in =
DOS you can choose. I think the idea behind this font was mainly =
systemmanager applications.
Anyhow, we can certainly ask Andrew to reestablish the e-grave in the =
Andrew fonts and try to find some other lamb to sacrifice as to the =
code. However keys will more difficult as it seems all fn-keys are taken =
and loved, even "=A7" and probably even "=D7". If that is the case then =
there remains (forgetting Key) accessing the Euro-sign with alt+menu+a =
code (that would hopefully won=B4t louse up something else).=20
The idea behind a simple fn+key command for the Euro-sign was that will =
probably be one of there frequently used symbols on this side of the =
Atlantic.

Comments?

Hans Jacob

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> If I exchange text with others using common ISO-8859-15 encoding

Good point, although the double corner is one of the IBM grapics I have
been using from time to time and they used to be not uncommon for tables
and such before all printers were GDI or used as such.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:05:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT: C Programming Advice


> I agree. I have Turbo-C++ 3.0 as well, but it looks pretty
> scary. That's why I thought I'd start with just C.
> I must comment that I've never seen a language that comes
> with so little function in the 'base' instruction set as C.
> Everything vaguely useful seems to be in libraries that vary
> depending upon which C compiler you use. That's my impression
> anyway. I guess REXX and ASIC spoilt me.
> Thanks for your help,

I don't think C++ is anything to be scared of.  I'm a C programmer
and I haven't done a lot of C++ but I've used a lot of C++
compilers to do C and it's not really a problem but it is a little
bit more complex.  Once you're comfortable with the language and
the environment I don't think you'll be bothered much by the
differences.

If you're planning a programming career I'd definately go for C++
and the real C++ programmer (I'm not one) say learn it first.  But
if you're interested in programming as a hobby I think C is a
better choice.

C used to be far more sparse than you're seeing.  I think there
were 30 or 35 keywords when I started, and a lot of operators.
Anything related to I/O was in libraries.  And there were not
standards so every library was a little different.

The beauty of libraries is that you can modify them or replace
their functions with your own functions with the same name.  That's
sometimes handy when you have special needs or when you're porting
to a new environment.  One example where it's handy is in making
system manager compliant programs, for example.  Not that anybody
does that much anymore.

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Sat, 17.08.02 8:39 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I just noticed that the same analogy in the case design of the HP 200LX =
and
the early Omnibooks (300, 400 and I think 500) is in the case design of =
the
Omnigo 100 and the later Omnibooks 600 and 800!

The Omnibo 100 looks almost like a miniature version of my
Omnibook 800CT.

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:35:22 -0400
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On Saturday 17 August 2002 06:07 am, Niels wrote:
> Hello fellow listers,
>
> I just found a maybe intersting piece of hardware
> It is an external harddisc container which you can
> connect via PCMCIA (or usb if you choose that solution).
> Without an harddisk it costs here Euro99 incl tax (about
> $99). You can put any 2,5" disk in it. I don't know if it
> requires an external power source, if not I don't think
> it will work in the HP because a normal hd uses draws
> much current. You'll also need some special driver,
> because I don't think your HP will support a 10gb
> harddrive due to bios limitations... It can be found at
> this URL:
> http://www.jewelnotebooks.com/index.php?page=products-etc
> I don't think it's very expensive, but a bit unpractial
> for it is external. And who needs gb's of storage space
> on his/hers LX? But I thought i'dd let you know anyway

Looks interesting, but it only has drivers for Win98 and
above and the Win98 driver is not included but must be
downloaded.   I suspect that there is no DOS driver 

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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:38:08 -0400
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On Saturday 17 August 2002 06:08 am, Roger Whitmarsh wrote:
>
> I agree. I have Turbo-C++ 3.0 as well, but it looks
> pretty scary. That's why I thought I'd start with just C.

Turbo C 2.0 runs very well on my 200LX and has allowed me
to play with C programs.
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:41:21 -0400
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              TO USB !
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The vendor says exactly what I did. This device allows a
serial DEVICE to be conected to a COMPUTER with only USB
ports.

Vic Roberts

On Friday 16 August 2002 03:39 am, pksharma wrote:
> hello victor/friends
>
> i thought so too .. and sent an email .. i quote reply :
>
> ===========================================
> QUOTE
>
> Hi there,
>
> It converts a serial device into a USB port. It will
> allow you to plug any serial device into a PC without a
> serial port using the USB port.
>
>  Thank you!
>  The Deluo Team
>
> ----- Original message -----
>
>
>
>  hello deluollc
>
>  this is NOT a serial to usb ..
>  its a usb to serial convertor
>
>  pl confirm
>
>  i see that it plugs into a usb port and gives a
>  serial 9 pin male db connection .. so that older
>  legacy devices can be used
>
>  you make it appear that this has a 9pin female DB
>  connection which plugs into a normal 9pin male DB
>  connection and gives a usb connection so that newer
>  devices can be used on the older desktops/notebooks
>
>  pl confirm
>
>
>  thanking you,
>
>  yours truly,
>
>  pk sharma
>
>  www.comnetresources.com
>  www.pksharma.com
>  pksharma@india.com
>
>  UNQUOTE
> =======================================
>
> dunno abt the lx part of it .. but for older desktops ?
> maybe its a good thing .. and the drivers .. well
> its a new box .. everything shd be there.. may not
> be there, too .. its a very small pack !
>
> sorry for the looong msg .. as it includes both the
> reply and victor's msg .. but BOTH are relevant.
>
> ..pk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Victor Roberts 
> To: pksharma ;
> 
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: serial to usb convertor (?) cable on ebay
>
> > On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:57 pm, pksharma wrote:
> > > here's another one that claims to give
> > > a usb port to older machines (possible ?)
> > >
> > > dunno if it'll work with lx200/700
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204480
>
> > >481 6
> >
> > This is a USB-to-Serial converter, not a Serial-to-USB
> > converter. I have a similar one. I use it with a
> > notebook that does not have a serial port but does have
> > USB ports
>
> to
>
> > connect serial devices, such as my cell phone.
> >
> > I can't find any comment on the auction page about a
> > claim to give a USB port to older machines.
> >
> > Even if it were a Serial-to-USB converter (which it is
>
> not)
>
> >  it would only be the "hardware" part of the solution.
> > You would still need a driver that runs on the LX in
> > order to connect to USB devices.
> >
> > --
> > Vic Roberts
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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:50:01 +0200
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Sat, 17.08.02 10:24 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I've got my new Barbie Pen mouse now and so I was searching for
readily-available graphics programs I can use on the LX with that
mouse.

I found two nice programs on Simtel, have only played a few minutes
with each of them, but they work fine so far:

One is TXPNT10.ZIP, which is _very_ nice for the palmtop. It creates
paintings in pure ASCII or ANSI, so the results can be viewed with y
text editor er even with type.


The other one is PEP17.ZIP, which is object-based, you can place
objects (lines, boxes, ellipses...) whereever you want, and it even
seems to print to postscript printers, so it may be able to produce
postscript files as its ourput.

But I'm still looking for that simple drawing program which I can start
quickly, paint something, press q for quit, enter a file name, and the
drawing is saved as b/w PCX file. Just for taking notes on the fly,
which are not in text format, but little sketches.

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:58:56 +0200
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Hi!

Axel`s suggestion showed another of the snags we have here, iand is if =
we are talking about CP437 or CP850. The peseta sign is certainly 158 in =
CP437 s Axel writes but this is a "=D7" in CP850 (and on the standard =
Euro English overlay fn+*). The two accented French "e" have the same =
codes in both CP:s. The system manager works by default with 850 - in =
DOS you can choose. I think the idea behind this font was mainly =
systemmanager applications.
Anyhow, we can certainly ask Andrew to reestablish the e-grave in the =
Andrew fonts and try to find some other lamb to sacrifice as to the =
code. However keys will more difficult as it seems all fn-keys are taken =
and loved, even "=A7" and probably even "=D7". If that is the case then =
there remains (forgetting Key) accessing the Euro-sign with alt+menu+a =
code (that would hopefully won=B4t louse up something else).=20
The idea behind a simple fn+key command for the Euro-sign was that will =
probably be one of there frequently used symbols on this side of the =
Atlantic.

Comments?

Hans Jacob

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> If I exchange text with others using common ISO-8859-15 encoding

Good point, although the double corner is one of the IBM grapics I have
been using from time to time and they used to be not uncommon for tables
and such before all printers were GDI or used as such.

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18-Aug-02

Hallo all!

Why does post-lx not delete on server in spite of del=3D1
in post.cfg? What is wrong?

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Larry Castor wrote:
> But if your number is correct then I am paying twice per
> minute what you are paying.  hmmmmm.

$ 2.95 per hour is what I had been paying for classic all along after
the "free" hours were up. That is useage only, no phone connection
included. Is it possible that your $ .1 per minute is an inclusive rate?
Inside Germany (except mobile) I can get compuserve for about 1.2 =80 per
minute, i.e. 1.2 $/min phone line included, but here I mostly use Arcor.
For the questioner travelling in Germany: I have not answered yet, as
you had asked specifically about D1 and E+, but D2 Vodafone offers
special dial-in numbers for all major services (for me T-Online, Arcor
and Compuserve, but there are more) at a rate a bit less than normal
speech calls.

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Date:         Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:00:20 +0200
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[n]
----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Jewel Mobile Harddisk


> On Saturday 17 August 2002 06:07 am, Niels wrote:
> > Hello fellow listers,
> >
> > I just found a maybe intersting piece of hardware
> > It is an external harddisc container which you can
> > connect via PCMCIA (or usb if you choose that solution).
> > Without an harddisk it costs here Euro99 incl tax (about
> > $99). You can put any 2,5" disk in it. I don't know if it
> > requires an external power source, if not I don't think
> > it will work in the HP because a normal hd uses draws
> > much current. You'll also need some special driver,
> > because I don't think your HP will support a 10gb
> > harddrive due to bios limitations... It can be found at
> > this URL:
> > http://www.jewelnotebooks.com/index.php?page=products-etc
> > I don't think it's very expensive, but a bit unpractial
> > for it is external. And who needs gb's of storage space
> > on his/hers LX? But I thought i'dd let you know anyway
>
> Looks interesting, but it only has drivers for Win98 and
> above and the Win98 driver is not included but must be
> downloaded.   I suspect that there is no DOS driver 
>
> --
> Vic Roberts
>
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it should be ata-compatible I think... if the drive is not too large I think
you can use it without anything special but then the use of this thing is
zero because cf is then much cheaper and is not external

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Date:         Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:25:42 +0200
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wow $/E1.2 per MINUTE?? Are you sure? For that I can get >10 minutes of
_mobile_ access... (if $1 = E1, costs E0.11 per minute). ISP's used to offer
(phone) access for free here but now it's little more than normal rates.
This however does not count for mobile connections for you dail a normal
number and not a special (little more expensive) number. The normal rates
for zonnet (www.zonnet.nl) are at daytime E0,0325 per minute (these are
normally pretty equal among others) and I can't believe that in Germany
costs are that higher for normal providers... won't it be a good idea for
all those compuserve users to drop Compu$erve and switch to a cheaper
provider???

Niels

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Free Compuserve


Larry Castor wrote:
> But if your number is correct then I am paying twice per
> minute what you are paying.  hmmmmm.

$ 2.95 per hour is what I had been paying for classic all along after
the "free" hours were up. That is useage only, no phone connection
included. Is it possible that your $ .1 per minute is an inclusive rate?
Inside Germany (except mobile) I can get compuserve for about 1.2 ? per
minute, i.e. 1.2 $/min phone line included, but here I mostly use Arcor.
For the questioner travelling in Germany: I have not answered yet, as
you had asked specifically about D1 and E+, but D2 Vodafone offers
special dial-in numbers for all major services (for me T-Online, Arcor
and Compuserve, but there are more) at a rate a bit less than normal
speech calls.

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> sometimes i feel like a dud !
> of course it says so !
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Victor Roberts 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:11 AM

> IS A SERIAL TO USB !
> > The vendor says exactly what I did. This device allows a
> > serial DEVICE to be conected to a COMPUTER with only USB
> > ports.
> > Vic Roberts

> > On Friday 16 August 2002 03:39 am, pksharma wrote:
> > > hello victor/friends
> > > i thought so too .. and sent an email .. i quote reply
:
> > > ===========================================
> > > QUOTE
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > > It converts a serial device into a USB port. It will
> > > allow you to plug any serial device into a PC without
a
> > > serial port using the USB port.
> > >  Thank you!
> > >  The Deluo Team
> > > ----- Original message -----
> > >  hello deluollc
> > >  this is NOT a serial to usb ..
> > >  its a usb to serial convertor
> > >  pl confirm
> > >  i see that it plugs into a usb port and gives a
> > >  serial 9 pin male db connection .. so that older
> > >  legacy devices can be used
> > >  you make it appear that this has a 9pin female DB
> > >  connection which plugs into a normal 9pin male DB
> > >  connection and gives a usb connection so that newer
> > >  devices can be used on the older desktops/notebooks
> > >  pl confirm
> > >  thanking you,
> > >  yours truly,
> > >  pk sharma
> > >  www.comnetresources.com
> > >  www.pksharma.com
> > >  pksharma@india.com
> > >  UNQUOTE
> > > =======================================
> > >
> > > dunno abt the lx part of it .. but for older desktops
?
> > > maybe its a good thing .. and the drivers .. well
> > > its a new box .. everything shd be there.. may not
> > > be there, too .. its a very small pack !
> > > sorry for the looong msg .. as it includes both the
> > > reply and victor's msg .. but BOTH are relevant.
> > > ..pk
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Victor Roberts 
> > > To: pksharma ;
> > > 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: serial to usb convertor (?) cable on ebay
> > > > On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:57 pm, pksharma wrote:
> > > > > here's another one that claims to give
> > > > > a usb port to older machines (possible ?)
> > > > > dunno if it'll work with lx200/700
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204480481
6
> > > > This is a USB-to-Serial converter, not a
Serial-to-USB
> > > > converter. I have a similar one. I use it with a
> > > > notebook that does not have a serial port but does
have
> > > > USB ports to connect serial devices, such as my cell
phone.
> > > > I can't find any comment on the auction page about a
> > > > claim to give a USB port to older machines.
> > > > Even if it were a Serial-to-USB converter (which it
is not)
> > > >  it would only be the "hardware" part of the
solution.
> > > > You would still need a driver that runs on the LX in
> > > > order to connect to USB devices.
> > > > Vic Roberts

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Hallo Axel,

----- Urspr|ngliche Nachricht -----
 (Axel Berger ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:56:02 +0200)
>For the questioner travelling in Germany: I have not answered yet, as
>you had asked specifically about D1 and E+, but D2 Vodafone offers
>special dial-in numbers for all major services (for me T-Online, Arcor
>and Compuserve, but there are more) at a rate a bit less than normal
>speech calls.
>Axel

Yes, but does these numbers work with prepaid cards?

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You are right that it is a serial to usb converter and the saleperson
was correct in identifing it so. It converts serial signals so they
look like usb to a usb port and converts usb signals so they look like
serial to a serial port. But that just means you can add a serial port
to a usb port. It does not mean you can plug it into a serial port and
add a usb port. To convert a serial poirt to usb is quite differant
from just converting signals.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 06:03:33 +0530, you wrote:

>> sometimes i feel like a dud !
>> of course it says so !
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Victor Roberts 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:11 AM
>
>> IS A SERIAL TO USB !
>> > The vendor says exactly what I did. This device allows a
>> > serial DEVICE to be conected to a COMPUTER with only USB
>> > ports.
>> > Vic Roberts
>

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Le Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:09:36 +0200
Vagner Martin  a icrit:

> 64MB PQI Compact Flash and it doesn't work without the acecard driver.

A few months ago, I used a PQI CF Card, to transfer pictures from a
digital camera to my HP200 (2MB, SS).

I don't remember if it was a 64Mb or a 32MB, but it worked without any
driver (I would have said it was a 64MB if you don't said your card
don't worked without a driver...).

But, even if the card worked, I don't think it could be used permanently
on the palmtop, as it claimed a "Low card battery" warning...

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Le Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:25 +0200
Daniel Hertrich  a icrit:

> 9. anything else you consider relevant

9. Battery consumption.
   (My Sandisk 128MB CF card run up to 40h, while my late (stolen)
   Samsung 64MB CF card ran only 18/20h....)

10. Transfer Speed
     (It seems that my Sandisk is slower than the Samsung..
     We need perhaps a "standard" utility to mesure that, mentionning if
     we use an DoubleSpeed machine).

11. Presence of the delay after power on.
      (I have a 12-15 seconds delay with the Sandisk, with a SS HP200LX,
      but never noticed any delay with the Samsung...)

12. Bad respect of CF specifications.
     ("Low card battery" message, for example).

13. Anything else ?



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On Friday 16 August 2002 05:18 pm, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> Fri, 16.08.02 8:54 PM +0200
>
> Hi friends,
>
> I would like to add a section to the 200LX FAQ or to my
> homepage listing the high capacity flash cards which work
> with the LX.
>
> So please, post your experiences!
>
> It seems that all cards up to 96 (or 128?) MB work
> without the acecard driver, right?

I can run 196MB. See below.

>
> Please provide as much info as possible:
>
> 1. LX model

200LX

> 2. LX ROM version (shown at startup)

1.02A

> 3. Doublespeed upgraded machine?

2X, 32MB, Thaddeus

> 4. Flash card: brand

Sandisk.

> 5. full size ATA or CF?

CF in Sandisk PCMCIA adapter

> 6. model, capacity?

80MB CF as my "normal" card. Just tested a 192MB CF I use
for data transfer between Win95/Win98 notebooks and
desktops. It works just fine.
> 7. all model numbers you can find on the card

Back of 192MB Sandisk CF says SDCFB. No other numbers.
except (c) 99 San Disk

> 8. acecard driver needed?

NO.

> 9. anything else you consider relevant

It is very hot and humid here today 

>
> please post that info to
> OMNIBOOK at DANIEL-HERTRICH dot DE

I thought this was the HPLX mailing list 

>
> Thanks a lot
> daniel

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On Sunday 18 August 2002 07:02 am, John Musielewicz wrote:
> You are right that it is a serial to usb converter and
> the saleperson was correct in identifing it so. It
> converts serial signals so they look like usb to a usb
> port and converts usb signals so they look like serial to
> a serial port. But that just means you can add a serial
> port to a usb port. It does not mean you can plug it into
> a serial port and add a usb port. To convert a serial
> poirt to usb is quite differant from just converting
> signals.

Also, let's not forget that a USB port can supply a
substantial amount of power. I think the rating is 5 volts
at 500ma, at least that is what my notebook provides. The
adapter we are discussing uses this power to run its own
electronic conversion circuits.

It would not be possible to draw enough power from even a
normal serial port to run USB devices, much less from the
LX, which has a sub-standard serial port, as far as
voltages and currents are concerned.

If someone were to develop a Serial-to-USB adapter then I
would think it would have to be externally powered to that
the USB devices plugged in could get the power they expect.

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On 17-08 05:51 EDT, you wrote:

> Now I'm stuck on setting the background colour of the whole
> screen, not just the text. Any clues anyone? I'd like to avoid

From memory:
textbackground(), followed by a clrscr().

> int86 calls, as I get the impression that its handling may be
> inconsistent across different PCs. Please correct me if I'm
> wrong.

I think the behaviour of the int 10h calls should be the same on any PC
compatible machine. However, using an "off-band" method to get what you
want might not be the best idea. You really should use only your library
functions.

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On 17-08 06:08 EDT, you wrote:

> I must comment that I've never seen a language that comes
> with so little function in the 'base' instruction set as C.
> Everything vaguely useful seems to be in libraries that vary
> depending upon which C compiler you use. That's my impression
> anyway. I guess REXX and ASIC spoilt me.

I don't think you can program a smartcard, microwave oven, elevator, or
the diagnostic system inside your car in Rexx. It is often written in C.
That's why the C language seems to be 'poor' when compared to higher
level languages, such as Rexx, PHP, Perl, ...

Note: I program my smartcards mostly in assembly, but the prototyping is
done in C.

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"Michael L." wrote:
> Yes, but does these numbers work with prepaid cards?

They do - playing around I did have one of my prepaids in the phone at
least once. As I said, I only know about Vodafone, I'd expect Telekom (D1)
to have something similar, but they do not always, there are some things
where Vodafone is actually better.

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Niels wrote:
> wow $/E1.2 per MINUTE?? Are you sure?

Of course not, it was a silly mistake - I meant per hour. Since breaking up
the post office monopoly, German telecoms rates seem by all comparisons I
have seen to have become the cheapest in the world.
I just looked it up, what I had in mind were still the old Pfennig rates.
Currently you can use compuserve for 1.2 euro-cents per minute if you allow
them to deduct the amount from your German bank account and 2 cents if you
want it added to the bill of whatever phone line you are using at that
moment. There are others "planet intercom" and arcor who use the same
method, for the last two you need not even register. As far as I am aware
there is no instant billing yet, so you won't probably be able to use that
from a hotel room. So for travelling compuserve classic is still best IMHO.

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> On Friday 16 August 2002 05:18 pm, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> > Fri, 16.08.02 8:54 PM +0200
> >
> > Hi friends,
> >
> > I would like to add a section to the 200LX FAQ or to my
> > homepage listing the high capacity flash cards which work
> > with the LX.
> >
> > So please, post your experiences!
I run both 220MB Sandisk and a 256MB Sandisk SPD-3B PCMCIA card without any
drivers.
5 MB DS LX, 1.02A bios

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*phew* *wipes sweat from forehead*

I understand, that if you let compuserve take the money from your
bank-account you dail a toll-free number? And it's cheap... And I always
thought C$ was expensive... I'll check out their site, to see how this goes
here in Holland.

Niels


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> Niels wrote:
> > wow $/E1.2 per MINUTE?? Are you sure?
>
> Of course not, it was a silly mistake - I meant per hour. [snipped]

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Hi!

From my memory, this doesn't work straight forward. You have to do something
like

    textbackground();
    gotoxy(1, 1);
    cprintf("%2000s", " "); /* 80 x 25 = 2000 */

but I haven't tried this.

Paul

> From memory:
> textbackground(), followed by a clrscr().

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> From my memory, this doesn't work straight forward. You have to
do something
> like
>
>     textbackground();
>     gotoxy(1, 1);
>     cprintf("%2000s", " "); /* 80 x 25 = 2000 */
>
> but I haven't tried this.

I don't get it.

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> Hi!
>
> From my memory, this doesn't work straight forward. You have to
do something
> like
>
>     textbackground();
>     gotoxy(1, 1);
>     cprintf("%2000s", " "); /* 80 x 25 = 2000 */

I just figured out what I think you're doing.  Padding with spaces?

That shouldn't be needed and probably won't work the way you
expect.

I'll try some of this.  I haven't done a formatted text screen for
a while.  Or much of anything else. :)

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> Hi!
>
> From my memory, this doesn't work straight forward. You have to
do something
> like
>
>     textbackground();
>     gotoxy(1, 1);
>     cprintf("%2000s", " "); /* 80 x 25 = 2000 */
>
> but I haven't tried this.

This works just fine.  Which means the code above should also work
except that textbackground needs a parameter specifying the color.
But don't use the colors I used.  They're ugly.  :)

/* test formatted text */

#include 
#include 
#include 

main()
{
  int x, y;

  textbackground(RED);
  textcolor(GREEN);
  clrscr();
  gotoxy(5,20);
  x = wherex();
  y = wherey();
  cprintf("x=%d, y=%d", x, y);
  getchar();
}

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Hi Barry,

> This works just fine.  Which means the code above should also work
> except that textbackground needs a parameter specifying the color.

Your guess (in the second mail) was right. Since the conio-stuff does only
have an impact on future printfs, you have to explicitly print something in
case you like to have a screen full of color. If you want the background
color, simply print spaces. It could have been done in a for-loop (printing
a complete row 25 or so times) or in two nested fors.

Besides, all this applies to the crt-procedures in Turbo Pascal, too. This
is where I come from ;-).

Regards,

Paul

P.S.: As you may have noticed, my c-style is a bit uncommon, I like weird
ways of doing things.

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Hi Barry and all,

>I think the answer is kind of the opposite question.  If people
>were interested, why?
>
>We have a fully compatible dos computer.  I personally don't want
>an occasionally compatible one.
>
>The 200lx can use thousands of existing dos programs.  There aren't
>many programs for the 9110.  Even if there were enough, everyones's
>tastes are different.  A lot of people, possibly most, won't be
>satisfied with the available selection.

Upon really digging into that site, I got the (possibly mistaken)
impression that with a little work, it could be a fully compatible DOS
computer with one big advantage...  it is 486 based and therefore I
assume it would be much faster and more powerful than the HP200LX.  It
seemed to meet most (if not all) of the qualifications posted by
subscribers of this elist a while back for a HP200LX replacement.

Please note that I'm not attempting to push anything on anyone at all.
I'm merely curious why I seem to be the only one interested in the 9110
Communicator as a possible replacement for the HP200LX.  So far, I've
seen nothing posted about it that definitively explains any real reason
for the lack of interest expressed in the project.

Did anyone spot any specific remaining problem that appeared too be too
time consuming to be worth the trouble to solve?  Not being a programmer
and having no certifications, I'm simply am not in a position to make
those kinds of determinations.

If availability were the major issue, I could understand that, but a
machine merely being out of production hasn't seemed to daunt the
incredibly talented people on the HPLX-L elist.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
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DOS


> Upon really digging into that site, I got the (possibly mistaken)
> impression that with a little work, it could be a fully
compatible DOS
> computer with one big advantage...  it is 486 based and therefore
I
> assume it would be much faster and more powerful than the
HP200LX.  It
> seemed to meet most (if not all) of the qualifications posted by
> subscribers of this elist a while back for a HP200LX replacement.

I haven't seen it since the day the link was posted but my memory
of what I read was that it could be made more compatible and useful
by overcoming a few of the limitations.  Did they really say
anything about it being fully compatible?  If so I don't think
they're correct.  I doubt that they can even come close to that.

> Please note that I'm not attempting to push anything on anyone at
all.
> I'm merely curious why I seem to be the only one interested in
the 9110
> Communicator as a possible replacement for the HP200LX.  So far,
I've
> seen nothing posted about it that definitively explains any real
reason
> for the lack of interest expressed in the project.

I understand that.  It's an interesting thing to consider.

> Did anyone spot any specific remaining problem that appeared too
be too
> time consuming to be worth the trouble to solve?  Not being a
programmer
> and having no certifications, I'm simply am not in a position to
make
> those kinds of determinations.

Screen size.  Did it have a keyboard?  If not, then add that to the
list of only partly curable problems.  What about a serial port?  I
think the article said there are interrupts and functions that the
BIOS and Dos don't handle.  That can be dealt with but it would be
a never-ending battle and require fairly extensive programming
initially.  The kind of programming that even a lot of programmers
don't know how to do, although a lot do.

> If availability were the major issue, I could understand that,
but a
> machine merely being out of production hasn't seemed to daunt the
> incredibly talented people on the HPLX-L elist.

It discourages new software.  There isn't enough new 200lx software
anymore to sustain interest by itself.  Fortunately a lot of stuff
was written for it when it was a production machine.  Take a look
on Super and try to count the things written for the 200lx and I
think you'll find quite a lot of stuff.

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I was looking at a programming forum and I saw this topic among all
the other programming topics:

---------------------------------
"The Crusades"
C++ kicks ASM anytime?
At least VB is RAD?
C programmers are weenies?
Convert those heathens but keep it confined here.
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This forum was set up by someone very wise.

Just something some of you (and especially me) need to keep in
mind.  :)

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Erwann wrote:
>From memory:
>textbackground(), followed by a clrscr().
Perfect!! It sets the whole screen to the colour
specified by the textbackground(nn) function.
Exactly what I wanted.
Thanks again for your excellent memory.

>I think the behaviour of the int 10h calls should be the
>same on any PC compatible machine. However, using an
>"off-band" method to get what you want might not be
>the best idea. You really should use only your library
>functions.
My feelings exactly.
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Date:         Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:57:18 -0700
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For what it was worth, I recently switch the CPU board to a newer one
(bought
just before 200LX went extinct.)  I noticed two things:

1.    With the older CPU board (about 4 years old now), there is this 12-15
seconds
starting up Filer or dir a: as described below.  However, it was instant
with the newer
one.

2.    The BIOS message is normal even before the the DS driver loads.

Both the older and the newer ones are identical, 1.02A BIOS, DS, 4MB.
The Flash is Sandisk compact Flash with adapter.

Sincerely,
Alfred Lee

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Date: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:25 AM
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[deleted]

>11. Presence of the delay after power on.
>      (I have a 12-15 seconds delay with the Sandisk, with a SS HP200LX,
>      but never noticed any delay with the Samsung...)
>

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>Jacques.
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Hi all

I'm stumped as my Dos skills have become rusty.  I just bought a kodak
compact flash and inserted it only to be informed not ready reading Drv A.
I tried Fdisk100 and it read the disk correctly as a 32MB one. I didnt
proceed with fdisk and reinserted my HP 10MB.  Only to find not ready
reading Drv A:  ctrl/alt/del and same message.. ctrl/shift on same
message.. Checked the HP disk in win98 card reader and all the info is
there ok.

So... my question is there some forgotten command I need to use to regain
A: (I looked at E: as well ..same message drive not ready}  or am I
destined to use the serial cable to backup and do the "start from zombie"
thing?

What has happened here? Did I fry my A: drive?

Any help appreciated

TIA

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Hi - I know this is OT, but I've always had good experience with this list
and wanted to see if anyone was interested.

I am selling my HP Jornada 567, which is identical to the 568 with the
exception of the 'retail' CD of extras.

The 567 is a great unit and I'd recommend it to anyone. It has a fast 206
MHz processor, 64 MB of RAM, the beautiful 16 bit color screen and an
excellent flip cover.  This is in very good shape, works very well, and
doesn't have any major dust issues.

I am looking for $250.  For $300, I will include FedEx 2nd day shipping and
a PDA Panache stylus.

Thanks,

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Le Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:57:18 -0700
Willnotreply GMX  a icrit:

> 1.    With the older CPU board (about 4 years old now), there is this 12-15
> seconds starting up Filer or dir a: as described below.  However, it was instant
> with the newer one.

Strange, as I would have the oposite results with my palmtops...

The one I currently have is dated 36e week of 1997, and have the delay...
The one I used with the Samsung Card was dated somewere in late 1994,
and don't showed any delay..

Unfortunately, I can't make cross tests (exchanging cards betweens palmtops),
as my older palmtop + Samsung card have been stolen a few months ago...

Does multi-palmtops/multi-cards owners could make some tests to verify
if there is a difference of delay between palmtops ?

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Hi folks,

It's been four weeks now since I started my study of the 200LX
clock speed.  I'm going to run it another week (or more), but
thought you might like to see interim results.

Measurements were made on a weekly basis using my home Linux box
(running ntp) as the standard--therefore, each estimate is based
on n=5 observations.  Gain is given as seconds per day.  Three
200LXs were enrolled, two double speed units running Mack's spd31
v1.7, and a stock single speed (2MB).

The two units stored in my desk drawer had brand new alkaline
batteries installed at day 0.  The main unit has had its NiMH
batteries swapped with a charged set once--it spends most of each
workday on AC power and the rest of the time in my pocket or on my
nightstand.


Unit      Conditions  Power   Gain     ppm   R-Squared
--------  ----------  ------  ----     ---   ---------
stock SS  drawer      alk     2.1 s/d  24.5  0.9993
bckup DS  drawer      alk     1.2      14.2  0.9978
main  DS  reg. use    NMH+AC  0.36      4.2  0.9734


Note: after four weeks in the drawer (being powered on for a few
minutes each week), the single speed unit is still at eight bars
and the double speed has dropped to 2.46 volts (3-4 bars).

If anyone would like a copy of the Excel spreadsheet, I'd be glad
to e-mail it out.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques Belin"

> Does multi-palmtops/multi-cards owners could make some tests to verify
> if there is a difference of delay between palmtops ?
****************************************
My largest card is a 220MB Sandisk PC Card (not CF).  And if I deciphered
the fine print correctly, the part number is SDP3BI.
I got the following results from my palmtop "collection":

1MB 200lx singlespeed SG423 Bios 1.00A
4MB 200lx singlespeed SG801 Bios 1.02A
96MB 200lx doublespeed SG736 Bios 1.02A - (Originally 2MB)
2MB 700lx singlespeed SG619 Bios 1.06EB

All of the above opened filer with the card inserted in between 12 and 13
seconds.

32MB 200lx doublespeed SG449 Bios 1.02A - (Originally 1MB)
Opened filer with the card inserted in 7 to 8 seconds repeatedly.  I did
this several times because I was surprised at the difference in time from
the other units.

All of the above tests were run right after rebooting the palmtops with
CTL-ALT-DEL and then pressing the filer key while at the topcard with
nothing else open.  (Well, the 96MB did have Software Carousel running in
the background.)

Also, if you read the card with filer, close filer and later try open filer
again it will open very quickly, if the palmtop has not been powered down.
I believe in this case it is just reading the FAT from memory instead of
from the card.  If it has been powered down the "disk change" flag gets
reset I think.  (I know one of the guys out there who know the terms better
than me will clarify.)

Later,
bob

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:48 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Drive A not ready


> I'm stumped as my Dos skills have become rusty.  I just bought a
kodak
> compact flash and inserted it only to be informed not ready
reading Drv A.
> I tried Fdisk100 and it read the disk correctly as a 32MB one. I
didnt
> proceed with fdisk and reinserted my HP 10MB.  Only to find not
ready
> reading Drv A:  ctrl/alt/del and same message.. ctrl/shift on
same
> message.. Checked the HP disk in win98 card reader and all the
info is
> there ok.

I have a 32 meg Kodak card that came with my camera and it's always
worked just fine in my 200lx.  The format seems to be ok as it
came.

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:21:05 -0400
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Hi Barry,

> > Did anyone spot any specific remaining problem that appeared too be
too
> > time consuming to be worth the trouble to solve?  Not being a
programmer
> > and having no certifications, I'm simply am not in a position to make
> > those kinds of determinations.
>
> Screen size.

It sounded like the screen was comparable to that of the HP200LX with one
advantage.  It's back lit. :-)

It did mention something able lack of access to one type of screen mode,
but it sounded like a limitation that could be eliminated.

> Did it have a keyboard?  If not, then add that to the list of only
partly curable problems.

Pictures I've seen of the 9000 series Communicators looked like it had a
reasonably complete keyboard.  The URL seems to imply that it does, as
well.  It specifically mentioned that a keyboard re mapping project had
already been completed.

> What about a serial port?  I think the article said there are
interrupts and functions that > the BIOS and Dos don't handle.  That can
be dealt with but it would be a never-ending > battle and require fairly
extensive programming initially.  The kind of programming that > even a
lot of programmers don't know how to do, although a lot do.

I believe that access to it's serial port was one of the projects listed
that hadn't been started yet. The description of the project did sound
doable within reason, but then again, I'm not a programmer, so it would
be impossible for me to tell how much work would be involved from
personal experience.

> > If availability were the major issue, I could understand that, but a
> > machine merely being out of production hasn't seemed to daunt the
> > incredibly talented people on the HPLX-L elist.
>
> It discourages new software.  There isn't enough new 200lx software
> anymore to sustain interest by itself.  Fortunately a lot of stuff
> was written for it when it was a production machine.  Take a look
> on Super and try to count the things written for the 200lx and I
> think you'll find quite a lot of stuff.

My interest isn't really in machine specific software, at all.  I don't
run anything on my HP200LX that is machine specific except for utilities
related to it's double speed and 32 meg upgrades.

My primary interest is in running the old DOS software that's already
available out there.  A 486 DOS based handheld should have the power to
run most of the old DOS software that the 186 based HP200LX simply can't.

I'm aware that a serial port access project has not yet been started, but
the software I'm most interested in running on a 486 handheld really
doesn't require access to a serial port.

It sounds like you don't have the URL to check it out anymore, so here it
is again for your convenience:
http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate it if you
would check that URL out again, and look specifically at the page that
lists projects that have already been completed and projects yet to be
started.

It does mention that it's battery life currently isn't that great when
it's running outside of GEOS, but it also mentions that it shouldn't be
very difficult to make it use it's energy saving features while running
in DOS.

I'm rather anxious to get the benefit of your talent and experience in
determining if the 9110 Communicator really could be a viable candidate
for HP200LX replacement.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:09:16 +0200
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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Penick" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Difference in CPU, was: Re: Large flash cards


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacques Belin"
>
> > Does multi-palmtops/multi-cards owners could make some tests to verify
> > if there is a difference of delay between palmtops ?
> ****************************************
> My largest card is a 220MB Sandisk PC Card (not CF).  And if I deciphered
> the fine print correctly, the part number is SDP3BI.
> I got the following results from my palmtop "collection":
>
> 1MB 200lx singlespeed SG423 Bios 1.00A
> 4MB 200lx singlespeed SG801 Bios 1.02A
> 96MB 200lx doublespeed SG736 Bios 1.02A - (Originally 2MB)
> 2MB 700lx singlespeed SG619 Bios 1.06EB
>
> All of the above opened filer with the card inserted in between 12 and 13
> seconds.
>
> 32MB 200lx doublespeed SG449 Bios 1.02A - (Originally 1MB)
> Opened filer with the card inserted in 7 to 8 seconds repeatedly.  I did
> this several times because I was surprised at the difference in time from
> the other units.
>
> All of the above tests were run right after rebooting the palmtops with
> CTL-ALT-DEL and then pressing the filer key while at the topcard with
> nothing else open.  (Well, the 96MB did have Software Carousel running in
> the background.)
>
> Also, if you read the card with filer, close filer and later try open
filer
> again it will open very quickly, if the palmtop has not been powered down.
> I believe in this case it is just reading the FAT from memory instead of
> from the card.  If it has been powered down the "disk change" flag gets
> reset I think.  (I know one of the guys out there who know the terms
better
> than me will clarify.)
>
> Later,
> bob
>
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Hi,

Stefan Peichl has a tiny tool for the hp (http://peichl.hplx.net/) which
will remove the delay. In the description he says that everytime the hp is
rebooted or turned on/off (or better, off/on) the driver checks if the card
has not changed, and thus it initializes the card which takes some time for
large cards... when you use his program, the driver will not check it, and
assume you are still using the same card (which can cause data-loss if you
have changed the card..) This delay also occurs if you just run under plain
dos, and then do a:, then dir.. it lists the dir, then 'waits' some time and
then it prints the number of free bytes.
    See stefans' information for more datails.


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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:41 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J Vanderstel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: The 486 based 9110 Communicator that offers access to
DOS


> > Screen size.
>
> It sounded like the screen was comparable to that of the HP200LX
with one
> advantage.  It's back lit. :-)
>
> It did mention something able lack of access to one type of
screen mode,
> but it sounded like a limitation that could be eliminated.

Thanks for the link.  I just looked it over again and it has text
and graphics modes but not all the text functions and, while that
can be gotten around fairly easilly by adding them as ISRs, some
programs won't like that.  I wasn't able to find any information on
the screen resolution even with a google search and some
interesting tech websites about the 9110.

> > Did it have a keyboard?  If not, then add that to the list of
only
> partly curable problems.
>
> Pictures I've seen of the 9000 series Communicators looked like
it had a
> reasonably complete keyboard.  The URL seems to imply that it
does, as
> well.  It specifically mentioned that a keyboard re mapping
project had
> already been completed.

It does have a keyboard but there's no Alt key, eliminating a lot
of features in a lot of programs.  Again, this can be worked around
but nowhere near 100%.

> My interest isn't really in machine specific software, at all.  I
don't
> run anything on my HP200LX that is machine specific except for
utilities
> related to it's double speed and 32 meg upgrades.
>
> My primary interest is in running the old DOS software that's
already
> available out there.  A 486 DOS based handheld should have the
power to
> run most of the old DOS software that the 186 based HP200LX
simply can't.

Old dos software was a lot of what I was talking about.
Compatibility is going to be very iffy and very troublesome.  And
I'll bet 95% of old dos software is fine on a 186.  Lack of VGA
probably eliminates more software.  Not that it matters which
problem eliminates it.  But you'll never get the 9110 even close to
the compatibility of the LX.

> It sounds like you don't have the URL to check it out anymore, so
here it
> is again for your convenience:
> http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html
>
> If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate it
if you
> would check that URL out again, and look specifically at the page
that
> lists projects that have already been completed and projects yet
to be
> started.

I did and I'm convinced that this would be a really fun device to
play with.  And, if you want the telephone too, useful.

I wasn't aware that anything like this existed, not having any
interest in cell phones.  I'm no longer in a position to buy much
but if I'd know about it a few months ago I'm pretty sure I'd have
looked into getting one.

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:16:11 +0200
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Mon, 19.08.02 9:13 PM +0200

Hi friends,

the first results from my large flash card survey are online on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage

I need more info, also from users of non-Sandisk cards and 100LX users,
and - well, everything what's not yet in the list.

Please write to omnibook at daniel-hertrich dot de

Thanks!
daniel

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<>

I visited the HP Corvallis engineering lab a few months before the OmniBook
300 was released. The OmniBook 300 was developed in the same engineering
group as the HP 200LX. Lab manager ??? Williams showed me a prototype and
described the philosphy, which I still believe in for laptops as well as
palmtops -- O.S. and main apps in ROM. HP pioneered this approach with the
HP 110 and HP Portable Plus -- we published our first magazine from
1985-1991 about those original DOS portables.

By the time the OmniBook 600 came out, Corvallis mobile computing
engineering duties had been transferred to Singapore (Palmtops) and I think
Bay Area (OmniBook). The OB 600 legacy was the form factor and the pop-out
mouse, but no more OS in ROM.  The OmniGo 100 and the OmniBook 600 were
created by these new design teams.

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snip
>the philosphy, which I still believe in for laptops as well as
> palmtops -- O.S. and main apps in ROM. HP pioneered this approach with =
the
> HP 110 and HP Portable Plus -- we published our first magazine from
> 1985-1991 about those original DOS portables.
snip

Too bad in wasn't flash rom. If that was the case we would have a path =
for upgrading the built-in apps and OS. I recently upgraded my DVD =
player's flash rom to disable macrovision, region encoding and put a =
'Pam Anderson Naked' bitmap as the splash screen.=20

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Mention Corvalis to any of the 'old-team' at HP and they light up
like a Christmas tree. Corvalis was HP, in every sense of the
word - creativity, unbridled passion, unprecedented freedom
of expression in design, etc. I know how important Corvalis was
to HP's moral over the years because my brother was a managing
engineer in HP's labs for 36 years. He spent 25 of those years
working alongside Mr. Hewlett himself. Corvalis was Hewlett's
baby. When everything was shipped off to Singapore, Ireland and
Sunnyvale/Palo Alto, Corvalis disintegrated and its engineers,
designers and the lot either relocated to other HP facilities
or left the company. HP likes to tout INVENT as its monicker.
The only INVENT left at HP these days is their INVENTories.
Ah, but Corvalis was a beautiful thing...

Bob

> < and the early Omnibooks (300, 400 and I think 500) is in the case =
design of
> the Omnigo 100 and the later Omnibooks 600 and 800!>>
>
> I visited the HP Corvallis engineering lab a few months before the =
OmniBook
> 300 was released. The OmniBook 300 was developed in the same engineering
> group as the HP 200LX. Lab manager ??? Williams showed me a prototype =
and
> described the philosphy, which I still believe in for laptops as well =
as
> palmtops -- O.S. and main apps in ROM. HP pioneered this approach with =
the
> HP 110 and HP Portable Plus -- we published our first magazine from
> 1985-1991 about those original DOS portables.
>
> By the time the OmniBook 600 came out, Corvallis mobile computing
> engineering duties had been transferred to Singapore (Palmtops) and I =
think
> Bay Area (OmniBook). The OB 600 legacy was the form factor and the =
pop-out
> mouse, but no more OS in ROM.  The OmniGo 100 and the OmniBook 600 were
> created by these new design teams.
>
> Hal from Thaddeus
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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:57:10 -0400
Reply-To:     Erwann ABALEA 
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On 17-08 06:58 EDT, you wrote:

> Axel`s suggestion showed another of the snags we have here, iand is if =
we ar
> e talking about CP437 or CP850. The peseta sign is certainly 158 in CP4=
37 s

It is.

> Anyhow, we can certainly ask Andrew to reestablish the e-grave in the A=
ndrew
>  fonts and try to find some other lamb to sacrifice as to the code. How=
ever=20
> keys will more difficult as it seems all fn-keys are taken and loved, e=
ven "
> =15" and probably even "=B7". If that is the case then there remains (f=
orgetting
>  Key) accessing the Euro-sign with alt+menu+a code (that would hopefull=
y won
> 't louse up something else).=20
> The idea behind a simple fn+key command for the Euro-sign was that will=
 prob
> ably be one of there frequently used symbols on this side of the Atlant=
ic.
>=20
> Comments?

My .02 EUR. Since in the ISO-8859-15 charset there's no more Peseta
character, this character is the best candidate for a replacement. That
way, the EUR sign would be accessible with a Fn+* combination. That is
for CP437.

For CP850, though, the Peseta doesn't exist, so we have to find another
candidate.

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:03:42 -0700
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Hi all

I'm new to the HP 200LX and I need some information.

At work I inherited a 200LX to program electronic locks.  I need
the software to upload and download from the palmtop.  I'm running
Windows 2000 Professional.  Is it available anywhere?

Thanks

Dale

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:40:59 -0500
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If you download the XTM DOS emulator from NB Info you can run the Cpack and =
many of the HP200lx programs on the 9290 communicator just fine. Take a =
look at www.sibelle.info/nokdos/nokdos.htm for some screen shots...
Suresh

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:20:00 +0100
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Kerwin,

> Just thinking back to the stuff I have owned at one point or another,
> ... psion series 5
> ... hp 200lx

You might have read my comparision between the 200LX and the Psion 5mx a =
few
weeks ago. I am still evaluating if moving to the 5mx is worth the =
effort.
What are the problems that I am likely to face with the 5MX ?

 \/
 /ves

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:20:03 +0100
Reply-To:     Yves Leurquin 
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              $$$ Hoax
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> BTW: I wonder how this guy arrived at the 'Mr. Sly Oliver' pseudonym.
> Nigerian scammers can be so silly.

When I met Mr.Sly last week in Lagos he told me that I was the only one =
he
contacted. I start to suspect that Mr.Sly may not be totally honest and I
fear that the 750 thousand dollars I gave him to cover the signature of =
the
official papers may have been used for other purposes.

Well, now seriously, it seems that this spammer harvested the eMails from =
the
HPLX list.

 \/
 /ves

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Reply-To:     N Knight 
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              Hoax
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In regards to the Nigerian e-mail scams, they
had a story on CNN yesterday.  Seems that
they have made about 50 arrests in
the investigaion.....

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:19:48 -0700
Reply-To:     Kevin Goodwin 
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Hello,

Just wondering if there is anyone still using InfoSelect for DOS, and if so if
among you are any volunteers to beta test a patch that fixes the Y2K issues of
this program (and it's data-file compatible Win16 counterpart, ISW 1.0).

I wrote this quite a few years ago, then set it aside, as I wasn't using the
palmtop much, and moved on to ISW3, 5, etc.

Recently I got a "new" 200LX and thought I'd start using it again...  I even
dug out ISW1, which seems to run better on Win2K SP2 than on WinNT!

The patch I've developed fixes the tickler bug (improper sorting of years), the
date-formatting bug (today's date is pasted as "8-19- 2"), and year 1999 (nee
"99") sorted incorrectly bug (not that it matters much anymore).  If there are
other Y2K bugs, we can deal with them in "Phase 2".

For any volunteers: it'll take me a day or two to recompile the patch program
to contain my current email address, so be patient.

Regards,  Kevin

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From: "Suresh Nirody" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: DOS programs on Nokia 9290 communicator


> If you download the XTM DOS emulator from NB Info you
> can run the Cpack and many of the HP200lx programs on
> the 9290 communicator just fine. Take a look
> at www.sibelle.info/nokdos/nokdos.htm for some screen shots...

Is that your site?  It does make it look better than I expected.  I
still wonder if it's going to be compatible enough but I guess I
see that as a question now, not an answer.

I can't tell if the color pictures are actual screen shots.  They
seem to be but it never actually says they are.  Is the screen
color with enough colors to allow the blending that seems to be
done with colors?

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Hi Yves,
I'd tried 5Mx a year ago for about 2wks, I really miss the separate numeric
keypad, and it's very difficult to do "thumb typing". And when reading the
mails using the built-in program, you need to use the stylus to "scroll" it
up and down is really annoying.
Limited available software. Of course you can use the XTM to run DOS
programs, but it is only about one third of the speed of a single speed
200LX (according to the benchmark reading on XTM web site). Haven't really
tried that myself.
The built-in Calculator is not as good as HP, I like the "solver" in 200LX.
But you can run HP48emulator.
CF slot is at the bottom, so can't use the CF modem. Setting up and using
external modem easy. Haven't try the IR with mobile, may be that's another
advantage over 200LX.
Advantages are you can read pdf files, backlite. And if you have a flat
surface and do a lot of work processing, the keyboard is good.
One more little thing is that the serial plug looks very fragile.
If I don't hv HP200LX, I'm sure I'll like it. It is a lot better than the
winCEs at that moment.
Bettery life is good, if I remember correctly, around 20hr for a fresh pair
of Alkaline.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:02:42 +0200
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Hi Dale

03h56m ago Dale Knapp wrote:

> At work I inherited a 200LX to program electronic locks.  I need
> the software to upload and download from the palmtop.  I'm running
> Windows 2000 Professional.  Is it available anywhere?

Please read
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rs232

there is also a section about connecting a 200LX to the palmtop, and
software which can be used to transfer files is mentioned, too.
If you only occasionally want to transfer some files, Transfile Win200
might be the best choice, but it has its disadvantages. Be sure to also
download the bugfix. You can also try W32filer, or, if you like it
commandline-driven, try ZIP.COM. Another option, which includes many
other interesting features for the LX, might be XFinder.

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:23:21 +0200
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Hello al!

I had in fact been in contact with Andrew about modifying his font setup =
on the lines you are suggesting. (The key links is an easier thing and =
can be solved also with Buddy, I think, or simply using aalt+memo+code). =
However Andrew has said that he will let the Andrew8 and 9 remain as is =
for the time being. As he will now join the list I have asked him to =
give his reasons.

REagards

Hans Jacob
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On 17-08 06:58 EDT, you wrote:

> Axel`s suggestion showed another of the snags we have here, iand is if =
we ar
> e talking about CP437 or CP850. The peseta sign is certainly 158 in =
CP437 s

It is.

> Anyhow, we can certainly ask Andrew to reestablish the e-grave in the =
Andrew
>  fonts and try to find some other lamb to sacrifice as to the code. =
However=20
> keys will more difficult as it seems all fn-keys are taken and loved, =
even "
> =15" and probably even "=B7". If that is the case then there remains =
(forgetting
>  Key) accessing the Euro-sign with alt+menu+a code (that would =
hopefully won
> 't louse up something else).=20
> The idea behind a simple fn+key command for the Euro-sign was that =
will prob
> ably be one of there frequently used symbols on this side of the =
Atlantic.
>=20
> Comments?

My .02 EUR. Since in the ISO-8859-15 charset there's no more Peseta
character, this character is the best candidate for a replacement. That
way, the EUR sign would be accessible with a Fn+* combination. That is
for CP437.

For CP850, though, the Peseta doesn't exist, so we have to find another
candidate.

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On Monday, 19.08.2002 at 19:03 MST, Dale Knapp 
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm new to the HP 200LX and I need some information.
>
> At work I inherited a 200LX to program electronic locks.  I
> need
> the software to upload and download from the palmtop.  I'm
> running
> Windows 2000 Professional.  Is it available anywhere?
>
I've used the HP 200 LX Connectivity Pack and Eric Meyer's ZIP.COM program
for years to transfer files between my HP 200 LX and PCs running DOS,
Windows 95 and Windows Me. Since I'n running Windows 2000 Professional
on my ThinkPad, I haven't been able to to reliable transfer files between
the
HP 200 LX and the ThinkPad.

My consequence: I bought a 128MB CompactFlash card with a PCMCIA
adapter (my previous flash memory card had only 10MB so I needed to
use Stacker on the HP 200 LX to gain space). I'm using a batch file with
an XCOPY command to back up the C: drive on the HP 200 LX to the CF
card.

To transfer files, I simply plug the CF card into a PCMCIA slot on the
ThinkPad.
Transfer speed is orders of magnitude better than the 115200 bps of the
serial port.

Ulrich Boche

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On Monday, 19.08.2002 at 19:03 MST, Dale Knapp <dale541@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi all

> 

> I'm new to the HP 200LX and I need some information.

> 

> At work I inherited a 200LX to program electronic locks.  I 

> need

> the software to upload and download from the palmtop.  I'm 

> running

> Windows 2000 Professional.  Is it available anywhere?

> 

I've used the HP 200 LX Connectivity Pack and Eric Meyer's ZIP.COM program

for years to transfer files between my HP 200 LX and PCs running DOS,

Windows 95 and Windows Me. Since I'n running Windows 2000 Professional

on my ThinkPad, I haven't been able to to reliable transfer files between the

HP 200 LX and the ThinkPad.



My consequence: I bought a 128MB CompactFlash card with a PCMCIA

adapter (my previous flash memory card had only 10MB so I needed to

use Stacker on the HP 200 LX to gain space). I'm using a batch file with

an XCOPY command to back up the C: drive on the HP 200 LX to the CF

card.



To transfer files, I simply plug the CF card into a PCMCIA slot on the ThinkPad.

Transfer speed is orders of magnitude better than the 115200 bps of the serial port.



Ulrich Boche


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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:31:56 +0200
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>> I had in fact been in contact with Andrew about modifying his font setup
on the lines you are suggesting. (The key links is an easier thing and can be
solved also with Buddy, I think, or simply using aalt+memo+code). However
Andrew has said that he will let the Andrew8 and 9 remain as is for the time
being. As he will now join the list I have asked him to give his reasons. <<

As long as we do not find a key combination for the EURO sign which suits
all I am hesitant to modify anything.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:53:16 +0200
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On Monday, 19.08.2002 at 10:55 EST, Theodore Heise 
wrote:
>
> 
>
> Unit      Conditions  Power   Gain     ppm   R-Squared
> --------  ----------  ------  ----     ---   ---------
> stock SS  drawer      alk     2.1 s/d  24.5  0.9993
> bckup DS  drawer      alk     1.2      14.2  0.9978
> main  DS  reg. use    NMH+AC  0.36      4.2  0.9734
>
> 

For the statistically unititiated, what do the "ppm" and "R-Squared"
values mean and how are they to be interpreted?

From your measurements it appears that a sleeping HP 200 LX
appears to forget to turn the hour-glass from time to time :-)

It would be interesting to know whether the difference is mainly due
to sleep mode vs. active mode or alkaline batteries vs. power supply.
My guess would be that the former is the primary cause.

Ulrich Boche

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On Monday, 19.08.2002 at 10:55 EST, Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET> wrote:

> 

> <snipped>

> 

> Unit      Conditions  Power   Gain     ppm   R-Squared

> --------  ----------  ------  ----     ---   ---------

> stock SS  drawer      alk     2.1 s/d  24.5  0.9993

> bckup DS  drawer      alk     1.2      14.2  0.9978

> main  DS  reg. use    NMH+AC  0.36      4.2  0.9734

> 

> <snipped>



For the statistically unititiated, what do the "ppm" and "R-Squared"

values mean and how are they to be interpreted?



From your measurements it appears that a sleeping HP 200 LX

appears to forget to turn the hour-glass from time to time :-)



It would be interesting to know whether the difference is mainly due

to sleep mode vs. active mode or alkaline batteries vs. power supply.

My guess would be that the former is the primary cause.



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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:36:22 +0800
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Subject:      Re: DOS programs on Nokia 9290 communicator
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:30:03AM -0500, Barry wrote:
> I can't tell if the color pictures are actual screen shots.
> They seem to be but it never actually says they are.

They're almost certainly screen shots of Nokia's emulator.

> Is the screen color with enough colors to allow the blending
> that seems to be done with colors?



Yup, it looks right, up to and including that funky drop-shadow
behind the main display window.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:27:00 +0100
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Hi Daniel,

> > into the hinge.
>
> Is the inverter easily built from the SIPEX chip or does it involve
> much SMD soldering or even PCB etching?

A Schottky diode, few capacitors some resistor and coil - all SMD. The
biggest
parts are chip itself, coil and one capacitor but still small enough.
For a "home made" inverter it can be done without PCB but for a reliable
and profesionally looking device you need PCB for sure. Etching is optional.
It can be done by hand but again for professional look...

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:20:54 +0200
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N Knight wrote:
> Seems that
> they have made about 50 arrests in
> the investigaion.....

I bet you anything you want that not a single one of all those
contemptible crooks who wanted to profit from defrauding one of the
poorest peoples in the world was so much as reprimanded. This sort of
pitying the really guilty absolutely makes me sick.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:31:31 +0200
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Dale Knapp wrote:
> I need the software to upload and download from the palmtop.

There are three options. For pure transfer the fastest and easiest is
the one I use exclusively now: Switch a PCMCIA flashcard between the two
machines.
An alternative that I consider a very poor one is Transfile TFWIN200,
which is free and IIRC available from SUPER. You need a nullmodem cable
with the special HP plug.
Rather than that I'd highly recommend the connectivity kit, which still
is commercial and not very cheap. It comes with the cable and lets you
run all the ROM programs of the HP in a DOS window. It does allow file
transfer, but other than one or two files at a time, the card switching
alternative is much more comfortable.

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Axel Berger wrote:
> the connectivity kit
> It lets you run all the ROM programs of the HP

I forgot: It also includes a converter to and from the proprietary
internal HP formats to delimited. You will soon find the address book
and calendar very useable and will then be looking for a way to transfer
all thoses data you already have.

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Hi Radek and others

44m ago Svagr, Radek wrote:

> A Schottky diode, few capacitors some resistor and coil - all SMD. The
> biggest
> parts are chip itself, coil and one capacitor but still small enough.
> For a "home made" inverter it can be done without PCB but for a reliable
> and profesionally looking device you need PCB for sure. Etching is =
optional.
> It can be done by hand but again for professional look...

I have ordered some of these Sipex 4403 ICs. When they arrive I'll play
around with them to find the right setup.
The data sheet says it can supply 400mW at a maximum, is that enough
for a 12*5.5 cm EL panel?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:29:35 -0500
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Daniel Hertrich writes:
> what is the easiesrt way to combine the capabilities and the setup of
> PNS200 with something which can show the contents of a ZIP file (such
> as z-ray), so that I can mark e.g. the readme.txt in the zip archive,
> readme.txt is extracted temporarily and PNS200.exe readme.txt is called so
> that I can choose via PNS200 which action is performed using
> readme.txt?

I have pns200 calling 2 options for a zip file: zipray and pkzip as separate
items. I have found that from zipray I cant invoke pkzip to extract the
files because there isnt enough memory available. What I can do is then
invoke pkunzip and enter command line parameters. If anyone knows how to
get zipray to invoke pkzip in a batch method this would be great.
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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:43:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: DOS programs on Nokia 9290 communicator


> > Is the screen color with enough colors to allow the blending
> > that seems to be done with colors?
>
> 
>
> Yup, it looks right, up to and including that funky drop-shadow
> behind the main display window.

I was assuming it was mono till I saw the pictures.

The dos stuff was done in a dos emulator inside Geos but the first
page the other day was about doing things outside of Geos.  I
wonder if a lot of the compatibility issues are dealt with in the
emulator.  Since they don't have to emulate the CPU and even a lot
of the hardware and BIOS that might be a pretty efficient setup if
it's done well.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:05:28 +0800
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 07:43:36AM -0500, Barry wrote:
> I was assuming it was mono till I saw the pictures.

Actually, the page Suresh pointed to refers to the color
Symbian-based 9210/9290, not the GEOS-based monochrome 9110
that was the subject of the original thread.

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:52:18 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> wireless LAN, mobile Internet access,

Folks,

I just read a news item

that has made me interested in finding a wireless ethernet=
 solution that will work with the HPLX.

Any ideas?


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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:36:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: DOS programs on Nokia 9290 communicator


> On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 07:43:36AM -0500, Barry wrote:
> > I was assuming it was mono till I saw the pictures.
>
> Actually, the page Suresh pointed to refers to the color
> Symbian-based 9210/9290, not the GEOS-based monochrome 9110
> that was the subject of the original thread.

Thanks, I think. :)

Now I'm really confused.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:58:14 +1000
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I'm also looking into these Nokia communicators as possible LX
replacements.

To clear things up, there are 3 'generations':

9000 - based on a 386, monochrome screen running GEOS, could run DOS but
no drivers written to support this.

9110/9190 - based on a 486, monochrome screen running GEOS, can natively
run some DOS programs, more possible with better drivers.

9210/9290 - based on an ARM CPU, color screen, runs Symbian OS.  Can run
DOS programs using an emulator.

I hope this helps a little.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:32:00 +0100
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Did you try it in a SS 200LX? I guess it may work. I used to have a similar
card.
Because we are apparently in the same city we can try one of my SS units if
you don't
have one. But under condition that you will tell me from where you have
small 32MHz
crystals or rezonators;-)))

Radek


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> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:10 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: Large flash cards
>
> Hi everyone
> especially Daniel
>
> I have 200LX 2MB
> ROM 1.02
> WIth 32MHz upgrade
> 64MB PQI Compact Flash and it doesn't work without the acecard driver.
> on the card is written :P/N FC064,  5Q62D and 164822200007 (it is the
serial number i think) on the label.
>
> Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Hertrich [mailto:daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE]
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> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:10:08 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: TECH: Infoselect for DOS Y2K patch offered; any beta test
              volunteers?
Comments: To: Kevin Goodwin 
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 01:19 am, Kevin Goodwin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just wondering if there is anyone still using InfoSelect
> for DOS, and if so if among you are any volunteers to
> beta test a patch that fixes the Y2K issues of this
> program (and it's data-file compatible Win16 counterpart,
> ISW 1.0).

I use IS for DOS on my 200LX. I don't use any date
functions or the "tickler" function,  but would be willing
to test your patch.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:11:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Victor Roberts 
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From:         Victor Roberts 
Subject:      Re: Driver?
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 02:02 am, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> there is also a section about connecting a 200LX to the
> palmtop

Late night?  

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:16:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
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From:         Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the Nigeria
              $$$Hoax
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In a country like Nigeria it's all about who you know and who you can =
bribe. If these guys are not connected, the punishments can be severe. =
If they are connected, it will be quietly squashed. It's kinda like =
getting pulled over for speeding in the states when your dad's a police =
chief.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Axel Berger
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:21 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the Nigeria
> $$$Hoax
>=20
>=20
> N Knight wrote:
> > Seems that
> > they have made about 50 arrests in
> > the investigaion.....
>=20
> I bet you anything you want that not a single one of all those
> contemptible crooks who wanted to profit from defrauding one of the
> poorest peoples in the world was so much as reprimanded. This sort of
> pitying the really guilty absolutely makes me sick.
>=20
> Axel
>=20
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>=20

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:16:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was  New Wrinkle on the Nigeria
              $$$ Hoax
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> Well, now seriously, it seems that this spammer harvested the=20
> eMails from the
> HPLX list.
>=20
>  \/
>  /ves

That's part of the reason why I use a  st00pid email address and name =
for lists now.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:43:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Ian Butler 
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From:         Ian Butler 
Subject:      FLUFF: Re: Fun with Nigerians
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:

> Axel wrote:
>
> > I bet you anything you want that not a single one of all those
> > contemptible crooks who wanted to profit from defrauding one of the
> > poorest peoples in the world was so much as reprimanded. This sort of
> > pitying the really guilty absolutely makes me sick.
>
> In a country like Nigeria it's all about who you know and who you can
> bribe. If these guys are not connected, the punishments can be severe.
> If they are connected, it will be quietly squashed. It's kinda like
> getting pulled over for speeding in the states when your dad's a
> police chief.

I believe the "contemptible crooks" Axel was referring to are the victims
of this hoax, who sent money to Mr. Sly Oliver and his cronies in an
attempt to "profit from defrauding one of the poorest peoples in the
world."  Which seems a bit harsh to me.  I'm sure that some of the victims
thought they were participating in some kind of illegal cash-grab, but
surely not all, probably not even most.  They may be stupid, but I don't
think most of the victims thought they were doing something wrong.  In
fact, many of the "Nigerian scam"  letters and emails I've received have
said something like "[An evil corrupt government | An evil corrupt rich
guy | An evil corrupt family] left a bunch of money in an account and if
you will help me transport it to America to keep it out of their evil
hands, I will reward you," so many of the victims may have thought they
were helping the cause of freedom.  Stupid, but not something that would
lead me to classify them as "the really guilty" here.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:56:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject:      FLUFF: RE: HP design
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Bob Christopher
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:54 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: HP design
>=20
>=20
> Mention Corvalis to any of the 'old-team' at HP and they light up
> like a Christmas tree. Corvalis was HP, in every sense of the
> word - creativity, unbridled passion, unprecedented freedom
> of expression in design, etc. I know how important Corvalis was
snip
> Ah, but Corvalis was a beautiful thing...
>=20
> Bob

Makes me think of the legendary Xerox PARC and AT&T Bell Labs. Lucent =
got most of what was left of Bell Labs after the AT&T breakup and they =
may go the way of Worldcom. I know a bunch of old Lucent guys and they =
say the place is now run by a bunch of idiots. They were telling me this =
when the stock was high. I heard mention of some management geniuses at =
Lucent that were going to build a phone switch using Java...  =
yeah, that's a good choice for a real-time application! . SAIC =
has the rest of what was left of Bell labs and I think they're still =
doing okay as a consulting and systems integration company.=20

And Xerox? They're the poster boy for missed opportunity, right next to =
Apple. They're still in the copier business and the Japanese are killing =
them. Copiers are commodity itmes nowadays. They have to start acting =
like Dell and make up for thin margins with volume, although I doubt you =
can do that kind of volume in copiers. They should have gone after HP's =
printer business like Dell is doing now.=20

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:09:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
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From:         Barry 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Re: Fun with Nigerians
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Butler" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: FLUFF: Re: Fun with Nigerians


> I believe the "contemptible crooks" Axel was referring to are the
victims
> of this hoax, who sent money to Mr. Sly Oliver and his cronies in
an
> attempt to "profit from defrauding one of the poorest peoples in
the
> world."  Which seems a bit harsh to me.  I'm sure that some of
the victims
> thought they were participating in some kind of illegal
cash-grab, but
> surely not all, probably not even most.  They may be stupid, but
I don't
> think most of the victims thought they were doing something
wrong.  In
> fact, many of the "Nigerian scam"  letters and emails I've
received have
> said something like "[An evil corrupt government | An evil
corrupt rich
> guy | An evil corrupt family] left a bunch of money in an account
and if
> you will help me transport it to America to keep it out of their
evil
> hands, I will reward you," so many of the victims may have
thought they
> were helping the cause of freedom.  Stupid, but not something
that would
> lead me to classify them as "the really guilty" here.

I listened to and saw on TV several interiews with victims of this
scam and the ones interviewed often suspected that things weren't
on the up and up but at the same time seemed to think that no good
guys were getting hurt and it was ok to make a buck by screwing the
bad guys and they usually were convinced what they were doing was
at least moderately legal.

I'm not sure how much of that was real and how much was
rationalized.

I don't really think screwing the bad guys is much nicer than
screwing the good guys.  Especially when you barely have any
knowledge of either one.  I'm guessing that they wanted to make a
buck and used the goodguy/badguy thing to help them not to feel bad
about it.  Kind of the same way MacDonalds executives do when they
spend fortunes to convince kids to eat unhealthy food.  They say
they're giving them what they want.  They are.

Real good guys and bad guys aren't that easy to find.  All we can
do is say screwing is screwing and feel sorry for the victims
because if we weren't a little smarter they might have been us.
But not too sorry.  They opted in.

I'm the only good guy.  I didn't have any money to invest.  :)

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:31:30 -0700
Reply-To:     "COOPER,SALLY (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" 
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From:         "COOPER,SALLY (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Re: Fun with Nigerians
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In many cases, the marks may have been guilty of only stupidity and greed
(more greed than stupidity).  However, the letters I received required
dishonesty on my part or facilitating the dishonesty of others.  None of the
letters I received gave me the impression I was helping anyone but myself
and the letter writer, though I suppose if I wanted to justify the
dishonesty I could have.

One letter I received said that a high ranking official who fell out of
favor had his assets taken and my help was needed to get them out of the
country.  I doubt a high ranking official of an impoverished country would
have billions in USD if he hadn't stolen it from the people and I would be
dishonest to try to profit from this.

In another letter the money was in a trust and I had to lie and claim to be
a long lost heir to the deposed (dead) ruler to collect it.

The HPLX-L relevant of this message:

I didn't get any of these scam letters to the emails I use for the HPLX
list, so in my case the addresses weren't harvested from list messages.

Sally

snip...
Ian posted...
<  <
They may be stupid, but I don't
think most of the victims thought they were doing something wrong.  In
fact, many of the "Nigerian scam"  letters and emails I've received have
said something like "[An evil corrupt government | An evil corrupt rich
guy | An evil corrupt family] left a bunch of money in an account and if
you will help me transport it to America to keep it out of their evil
hands, I will reward you," so many of the victims may have thought they
were helping the cause of freedom.  Stupid, but not something that would
lead me to classify them as "the really guilty" here.
<  <

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:42:02 +0100
Reply-To:     "Svagr, Radek" 
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From:         "Svagr, Radek" 
Subject:      Re: Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"

I should probably know, but will this work in a DS 200lx? And what does mean
"dual media"?

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List    On Behalf Of
Gary Jacek 
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:46 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's
>
> For those who may be interested, there are several Accton EN2216-2's
> currently being auctioned on eBay.
>
>
http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&quer
y=accton+en2216*&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&srchdesc=
y&BasicSearch=++
>
> Be advised that they are Australian cards, so you may need to insert them
> upside-down. ;-)
>
> I have no connection to the seller.
>
> ...Gary
>
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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:25:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Hal Goldstein 
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From:         Hal Goldstein 
Subject:      Re: HP design
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<>

It was also a division HP Bay area never knew what to do with.  They were
viewed as a renegade division that no one could control or new what to do
with. Corvallis marketing efforts of great products were terrible with
little support of home office. Rumors of Corvallis demise went as far back
as 1981 when I worked for HP.

Hal at Thaddeus

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:31:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
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Subject:      Re: HP design
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Goldstein" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: HP design


> It was also a division HP Bay area never knew what to do with.
They were
> viewed as a renegade division that no one could control or new
what to do
> with. Corvallis marketing efforts of great products were terrible
with
> little support of home office. Rumors of Corvallis demise went as
far back
> as 1981 when I worked for HP.

One of the odd things about all this is that when HP users lament
the loss of HP, others think we're being silly.  When the admirers
of HP and it's products are gone it will never have happened.

Businesmen will go right on believing that you can only make a buck
by cutting cost and selling the lowest possible denominator.

Then, when the remains of HP are no more, if business historians
(if there are such) find out about earlier HP quality, they'll use
HP as further proof that quality doesn't cut it.  Irony can be so
terrible.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:37:11 +0200
Reply-To:     Axel-Berger@NexGo.De
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Axel Berger 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the
              Nigeria$$$Hoax
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Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:
> In a country like Nigeria it's all about who you know and who
> you can bribe. If these guys are not connected, the punishments
> can be severe.

You still don't get it. All those letters read:
"I am a corrupt official and have managed to defraud a very poor country of
millions of dollars. If you help me to get that money out of my country I
will let you share the spoils."
Anyone answering to that with any idea of complying is despicable beneath
contempt. Not only does he deserve to be skimmed of all his posessions but
the moment he comes whining to the police, if there were any justice here,
he would be sent down for at least twenty four months and have "criminal
convicted of a felony" on his files for the rest of his life. Whatever
these low lives may be - victims they are not!

Axel

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:44:52 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Barry 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the
              Nigeria$$$Hoax
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the
Nigeria$$$Hoax


> Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:
> > In a country like Nigeria it's all about who you know and who
> > you can bribe. If these guys are not connected, the punishments
> > can be severe.
>
> You still don't get it. All those letters read:
> "I am a corrupt official and have managed to defraud a very poor
country of
> millions of dollars. If you help me to get that money out of my
country I
> will let you share the spoils."

I only got a few of these letters but I don't think I saw any like
that among the ones I received.  I didn't read all of them.

Barry

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:47:15 +0200
Reply-To:     Axel-Berger@NexGo.De
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Axel Berger 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Re: Fun with Nigerians
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Ian Butler wrote:
> many of the "Nigerian scam"  letters and emails I've received have
> said something like "[An evil corrupt government | An evil corrupt
> rich guy | An evil corrupt family] left a bunch of money in an account

So far correct, but the next bit is not what I ever saw:
> and if you will help me transport it to America to keep it out
> of their evil hands, I will reward you,"

All I have so far seen - and they are a lot - rather went on to say:
"and if you will help me transport it to America to keep it out
of the hands of the rightful government who ousted that crook and
want the money for the people, I will reward you,"
which is quite a lot different.

It rteminds me of another scam, driving down a street and accosting a
pedestrian: I carry this load of videos. The stores man has made a mistake
and loaded one more than the papers say. For a tenner it's yours." This is
plain and simple theft and receiving stolen goods. But does anyone
unpacking his parcel of bricks and going whining to the police get
punished? Does he, heck? Course not, he's a poor innocent victim, that's
what he is. Really wants to make me puke that does!

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:03:15 +0200
Reply-To:     Axel-Berger@NexGo.De
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Axel Berger 
Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Fun with Nigerians (was New Wrinkle on the
              Nigeria$$$Hoax
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Barry wrote:
> I only got a few of these letters but I don't think I saw any like
> that among the ones I received.  I didn't read all of them.

Not in the exact words of course, but you always get a sense that that
is
where this money came from. The words "over invoiced contract" occur
frequently and in the case of the "fortunes of a deposed dictator" you
are
supoosed to know, where those came from.

Axel

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:50:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Domingo 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Domingo 
Subject:      512meg CF cards on ebay
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Hi.  There appears to be a flood of 512 meg cards on ebay lately, and I
think I am ready to buy this time.  My question is about the brand.   Most
of them are RIDATA cards, which I never heard of.   The information on the
auctions suggests that they are high powered cards (something about 20x
speed).

Does anyone know:

1-If they are compatible with the hplx (theoretically they all are, but I
know about the horror stories, that's why I ask).

2-Do they require the ace driver.   It is my understanding that this later
point depends on the manufacturer.

TIA

Domingo

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:07:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Domingo 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Domingo 
Subject:      Re: TECH: Infoselect for DOS Y2K patch offered; any beta test
              volunteers?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am getting back to my hplx after a long Palm break, and the main program I
am getting back with is InfoSelect.  I don't recall any bug, but I would be
willing to test your program.

Domingo

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:25:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Domingo 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Domingo 
Subject:      Intellisync, where to get?
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Hi.   I am trying to sync my information from my Palm back to my hplx, after
a long Palm hiatus, and I thought about Intellisync, but the hplx version is
not mentioned in the puma web site.  If memory serves, they don't support it
anymore.   Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it?   I am trying to sync
my phone list (and I don't use Outlook, otherwise Curtis' program would come
in handy).

Replies on or off the list are appreciated.

TIA

Domingo

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:46:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Barry 
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From:         Barry 
Subject:      Re: Intellisync, where to get?
Comments: To: Domingo 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Domingo" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: Intellisync, where to get?


> Hi.   I am trying to sync my information from my Palm back to my
hplx, after
> a long Palm hiatus, and I thought about Intellisync, but the hplx
version is
> not mentioned in the puma web site.  If memory serves, they don't
support it
> anymore.   Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it?   I am
trying to sync
> my phone list (and I don't use Outlook, otherwise Curtis' program
would come
> in handy).

I'm not sure this will help but I went the other way, from the
200lx to the Palm, just using one of the programs from Super that
converts to comma delimited files and then importing them into
Excell and then to the Palm.  This is a few years ago and I don't
really remember the process but I think there were a couple of
false starts while I figured out just how the program worked and
then it worked fine.  There were  several steps but none that were
difficult or unusual as I remember it.

Fortunately I kept the data on the LX so I didn't have to go the
other way when I went back to using the LX for this.  So I'm not
sure this is as easy going the other way.

Barry

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:29:37 -0400
Reply-To:     Domingo 
Sender:       HPLX Mailing List 
From:         Domingo 
Subject:      Re: Intellisync, where to get?
Comments: To: Barry 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Domingo" 
> > Hi.   I am trying to sync my information from my Palm back to my hplx,
after
> > a long Palm hiatus, and I thought about Intellisync, but the hplx
version is
> > not mentioned in the puma web site.  If memory serves, they don't
support it
> > anymore.   Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it?   I am trying to
sync
> > my phone list (and I don't use Outlook, otherwise Curtis' program would
come
> > in handy).
>
> I'm not sure this will help but I went the other way, from the
> 200lx to the Palm, just using one of the programs from Super that
> converts to comma delimited files and then importing them into
> Excell and then to the Palm.  This is a few years ago and I don't
> really remember the process but I think there were a couple of
> false starts while I figured out just how the program worked and
> then it worked fine.  There were  several steps but none that were
> difficult or unusual as I remember it.
>
> Fortunately I kept the data on the LX so I didn't have to go the
> other way when I went back to using the LX for this.  So I'm not
> sure this is as easy going the other way.

Thanks for your reply.  I did do something similar to what you did, and I
did keep my hplx and its data, but I did not keep updating the hplx, because
it was a pain to do the transfer regularly, so now my hplx data is 2 years
old.  I have all the SUPER transfer programs I could find, but they
emphasize the database program, which I seldom use, and I found nothing
besides Curtis program for the phone book.   I wanted to use the notepad,
but gave up trying to figure a transfer approach, and used InfoSelect
instead (for my Palm Memopad records).   Notepad is more like Memopad, but
the InfoSelect transfer was relatively painless, though I doubt I'll want to
use a three program approach all the time.

In case anyone thinks I am repenting of my Palm, I am not.   I am just about
to finally buy a 512 meg card for an application that requires it on the
hplx, and prices are finally in the $200 or so range after all these years
(and no, I won't make a dime from the investment).

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:46:50 -0500
Reply-To:     n2vip@VERIZON.NET
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As a former Bellcore employee (now Telcordia, owned by SAIC) I have a bit to share...


>
> From: Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
> Date: 2002/08/20 Tue PM 12:56:19 CDT
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: FLUFF: RE: HP design

> Makes me think of the legendary Xerox PARC and AT&T Bell Labs.



SAIC has the rest of what was left of Bell labs and I think they're still doing okay as a consulting and systems integration company.

SAIC was a successful federal contractor before they bought Bellcore (from the Seven, no six, no five, no wait a minute four - yeah, four baby bells), and they are still successful, but Telcordia contributes little - the bulk of their revenue is generated
by on-going maint./support of legacy network software.

(Bellcore got the bits of AT&T Bell Labs that developed software that kept the phone system running (no hardware). AT&T Bell Labs got (as I recall) the hardware business, and all the advanced "blue sky" research facilities. The hardware business became/is
Lucent, Bell Labs is still Bell Labs)

> And Xerox? They're the poster boy for missed opportunity, right next to Apple. They're still in the copier business and the Japanese are killing them. Copiers are commodity itmes nowadays. They have to start acting like Dell and make up for thin margins
with volume, although I doubt you can do that kind of volume in copiers. They should have gone after HP's printer business like Dell is doing now.

And the bitterest of telling truths - guess who invented the laser printer... Xerox/PARC. (I just finished reading a book on the rise (and fall) of PARC - "Dealers of Lightning"???)

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Hi.
I use IS and would like to test out the patch.  Just wondering: How did you
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Thanks for your offer and your efforts!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: n2vip@verizon.net [mailto:n2vip@verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:47 PM
> To: Eduardo Fake-O Name-O
> Cc: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: FLUFF: RE: HP design
>=20
>=20
> As a former Bellcore employee (now Telcordia, owned by SAIC) I=20
> have a bit to share...
snip

Thanks for the elucidation. I was quoting from (flawed, as always) =
memory and forgot to put the usual disclaimers stating such.

This all reads like a David Halberstam novel. :^)

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Subject:      Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay
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Okay, everybody, let's all say it. "What are you goping to do with all =
that space?" ;^>

The only cards I've heard that won't work are the Mr. Flash cards. You =
may need the acecard driver, too.


P.S. It's what people have said about flash cards since 10MB flash cards =
were made available (@$1000!)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Domingo
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:50 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: 512meg CF cards on ebay
>=20
>=20
> Hi.  There appears to be a flood of 512 meg cards on ebay lately, and =
I
> think I am ready to buy this time.  My question is about the brand.   =
Most
> of them are RIDATA cards, which I never heard of.   The information on =
the
> auctions suggests that they are high powered cards (something about =
20x
> speed).
>=20
> Does anyone know:
>=20
> 1-If they are compatible with the hplx (theoretically they all are, =
but I
> know about the horror stories, that's why I ask).
>=20
> 2-Do they require the ace driver.   It is my understanding that this =
later
> point depends on the manufacturer.
>=20
> TIA
>=20
> Domingo
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I have PAF 3.01M on my LX. Have not hardly used it due to
lack of time. There is a problem importing or exporting
gedcom files.

Bob

"T. McCoy" wrote:
>
> Is anybody using genealogy software on their 200LX?
>
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Radek Svagr wrote:
> I should probably know, but will this work in a DS 200lx? And what does mean
> "dual media"?

This means it is the EN2216-2 whose dongle has both an RJ45 connector
(for 10BaseT twisted-pair connections) and a BNC connector (for
10Base2 thin coaxial connections).

I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:22:35 +0530
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i found that out from the seller
dual means it supports both bnc and rj45 connectors
silly way of describing .. i thought that it had a flash
card too

..pk

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From: Svagr, Radek 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's


> I should probably know, but will this work in a DS 200lx?
And what does mean
> "dual media"?
>
> Radek
>
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:         HPLX Mailing List
   On Behalf Of
> Gary Jacek 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:46 AM
> > To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> > Subject:      Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's
> >
> > For those who may be interested, there are several
Accton EN2216-2's
> > currently being auctioned on eBay.
> >
> >
>
http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPIComman
d=GetResult&quer
>
y=accton+en2216*&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&SortProperty=MetaE
ndSort&srchdesc=
> y&BasicSearch=++
> >
> > Be advised that they are Australian cards, so you may
need to insert them
> > upside-down. ;-)
> >
> > I have no connection to the seller.
> >
> > ...Gary
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:29:37 -0400, Domingo wrote:

>>>anymore. =A0 Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it? =A0 I am
>>>trying to sync my phone list

I've found Intellisync for the 200lx useless. I can never get it=
 to work.

I use the earlier Intellilink program which includes the option=
 of working with
files on the desktop.

I currently run it this way
Antec Photochute card reader
pcmcia card with hplx files
intellilink hooks them up with Schedule+ 7.0
Intellisync for Palm hooks Schedule+ 7.0 to palm III

You said you don't use Outlook, Do you any desktop app for=
 contacts?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:18:22 +0200
Reply-To:     Etienne Lemaire 
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I took the following notes from postings on this list:See for
yourself:

- EN2216-2 uses 70-90ma active.  However, if you unplug the
network cable and leave the dongle plugged in, it shoots up to
about 350-400ma. The EN2216-1 is probably lower. documentation
lists the power usage at 130mA at 5V using RJ-45 (280mA using
BNC).
- the EN2216-1 uses 110 mA while the EN2216-2 (i.e. with coax)
uses 200 mA. The current limit for the HP200LX being 150 mA, the
EN2216-2 will not work while the EN2216-1 is OK.
-Accton distributors worldwide:
http://www.accton.com/accton/contacts/distys/disty_index.html
-What is the difference between the 1 and 2 cards?
-The card itself is pretty similar, but with a different size
connector on the edge, and the EN2216-2 card is a little
heavier.  The main difference is the breakout box connector,
which plugs into the card.  The -1 is very small, with only a
little RJ45 jack and the two LEDs.  The -2 has an RJ45 jack and
a coaxial 10Base2 connector, which adds power drain and a lot of
bulk.  And 10Base2 can't be used on the palmtop anyway, since it
uses too much current.  So... get the -1.
-the standard LAN cables with the RJ45 (45 I think it is..)
connector has a rather large diameter. I am sure that not all
the 8 lines are used- I think only 4 is actually used for a LAN
connection.
- the Accton EN2216-1 and EN2216-2 cards will work fine in a
single or double-speed 200LX.
-ethernet accton 2214-2: I believe that a 10Base2 card would
draw too much current to work reliably
in the 200LX.  A minimum of 230-250ma from what I've seen.
--Does anyone here know if the Acton 2216-2 network card will
work with the hplx.  This is the one with both 10BASE-T and
10BASE 2 connectors (though I assume the coax one wont work with
the palmtop since it takes too much power)
-YES See http://www.hplx.net/faq.networking.html and
http://www.hplx.net/articles.accton.html
-- There are different types of En2216-1 and -2 around. The new
versions of En2216-1 and -2 do not work with the ethpcm.dos
driver. This driver is needed for netbeui connections to a Win9X
network, not for Tcpip, and Ipx connections. So check out first
if your card is working with this driver. You can test the card
with acctest.exe, it is for download on my homepage.
http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv (Links - HP-LX) If there is an error
in Acctest.exe (run it on the palmtop) the card will not work
for netbeui connections.
< I bought a EN2216-2. The CRC check failed when testing with
the supplied software. At their web site, got their trouble
shooting FAQ and newer versions of the software.  Which cleared
up the CRC failure.
 - use Win 98 SE and my Hplx with Accton En2216-2 Ethernetcard
connected to my home 5 port hub.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank McConnell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 07:45 AM
Subject: Re: Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's


> Radek Svagr wrote:
> > I should probably know, but will this work in a DS 200lx?
And what does mean
> > "dual media"?
>
> This means it is the EN2216-2 whose dongle has both an RJ45
connector
> (for 10BaseT twisted-pair connections) and a BNC connector
(for
> 10Base2 thin coaxial connections).
>
> I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is
palmtop-safe,
> unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45
connector
> for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?
>
> -Frank McConnell
>
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Folks,

I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:45:18 +0800
Reply-To:     Mujid Abdul-CAM028 
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Is all these software legal? Sound like compilation of pirated copies.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:22 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Draft Choice for HP200LX


Folks,

I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:48:45 +0200
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I have been offered a few used Simpletech 448MB pcmcia cards at $75 each -
is this a good buy, and how do they stand up against the Sandisks?

Michel

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:01:02 +0200
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Used to be a download , free to try, 49$ to buy,both from ziff
davis  and trius inc. I seem to remember the trial version had
no manual and a watermark on the drawings. I probabbly have a
copy of the evaluation version hanging around somewhere. Found
the following:

Draft Choice for Windows is a first rate CAD program. This is a
special version of the program designed to be used with the HP
Palmtop HP200LX. Draw complex designs using a rich array of
drawing, editing, and measurement tools. Draft Choice features a
broad variety of line types, fill patterns, symbols, geometric
figures, and text inserts that can be handled in a variety of
individual layers. It allows layer-movable objects and provides
a multilevel undo. Some knowledge of drafting terminology will
help you to better understand this program's menus. This is the
HP Palmtop HP200LX version of the popular DOS-level product.
This version is a maintenance update that offers a variety of
enhancements to this frequently updated product. System
Requirements DOS 3.3  Shareware: Free to try, $49

Etienne
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 09:21 AM
Subject: Draft Choice for HP200LX


Folks,

I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?

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Date:         Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:12:15 -0500
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From:         Theodore Heise 
Subject:      Re: 200LX Clock Speed Study

Ulrich Boche writes:
> >
> > Unit      Conditions  Power   Gain     ppm   R-Squared
> > --------  ----------  ------  ----     ---   ---------
> > stock SS  drawer      alk     2.1 s/d  24.5  0.9993
> > bckup DS  drawer      alk     1.2      14.2  0.9978
> > main  DS  reg. use    NMH+AC  0.36      4.2  0.9734
>
> For the statistically unititiated, what do the "ppm" and "R-Squared"
> values mean and how are they to be interpreted?

Well, ppm is parts per million, I'm not sure I calculated it right.
R-Squared is the covariance (?) of the best fit linear regression.
R is commonly called the correlation coefficient, with a value of
one indicating a perfect correlation and zero for none.


> From your measurements it appears that a sleeping HP 200 LX
> appears to forget to turn the hour-glass from time to time :-)
>
> It would be interesting to know whether the difference is mainly due
> to sleep mode vs. active mode or alkaline batteries vs. power supply.
> My guess would be that the former is the primary cause.

Could well be.  I'm not particularly eager to run any more tests,
especially in light of the lack of interest in this one.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:11:03 +0200
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Hi Ed

07h45m ago Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:

> The only cards I've heard that won't work are the Mr. Flash cards. You =
may need the acecard driver, too.

...wasn't also Pretec one brand which should be avoided? I remember
someone (you?) saying "Pretec sucks".

And folks, please keep posting me info about working or non-working
flash card setups. Avi, I know you have quite some experience, and
others too! Please help me collecting info for
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage

Thanks
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:11:04 +0200
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Hi Frank and Radek

05h38m ago Frank McConnell wrote:

> I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
> unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
> for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?

hm, wasn't this only the case if you really use the power-hungry BNC
Ethernet? If you only use RJ45, I thought power consumption of this card
would be the same as of the EN2216-1. Wasn't it only the dongle which
differed between the two cards?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:11:06 +0200
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H iVic

18h14m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> > there is also a section about connecting a 200LX to the
> > palmtop
>
> Late night?  


Took me a while to find the reason for your question. I had to reread
it three times. :-)

Yes, seems it was late, of course I meant "connecting a 200LX to a PC"
or something like that.

But thanks for the idea: I should add a section about connecting two
palmtops!

GTX
daniel

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Hi Patrick

22h08m ago Patrick West wrote:

> I just read a news item
> 
> that has made me interested in finding a wireless ethernet solution =
that will work with the HPLX.

I think it will never be possible to connect the plamtop directly to a
wireless LAN.
I connect it indirectly each day using my Omnibook as an IrDA
PPP-server, which is connected via wireless LAN to the university
network. But since wLAN cards need a lot of power, they will never work
in the palmtop. At least not those following the 802.11b wLAN (WiFi)
standard, because this standard says, that even under the best signal
reception conditions the card sends at first with its highest transmit
power, lowering it later if possible. So the card would fail already at
initialization time. Even if new low-power cards would be developed,
they would all in every case first send with the high power (100mW, I
think).

Maybe John's PCMCIA current supply modification would be a solution for
that issue.

The other issue is that for msot cards there is no DOS driver.
The only DOS wLAN driver I found so far is for the Orinoco WaveLan
cards, and that didn't seem to work with the palmtop's card services.

But as you can hear from my choosing of words, nearly everything are
only guesses, so there is still hope. Somebody had to invest a lot of
time to figure out how to make it work. I won't.

Maybe future standards will provide setups with lower transmit power.
But then Bluetooth would probably be the next solution. No real
alternative to wLAN, if you like to download your email in the airport
or in the restaurant.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:56:41 +1000
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Hello Daniel and all,

Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Frank and Radek
>
> 05h38m ago Frank McConnell wrote:
>
>
>>I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
>>unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
>>for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?
>>
>
> hm, wasn't this only the case if you really use the power-hungry BNC
> Ethernet? If you only use RJ45, I thought power consumption of this card
> would be the same as of the EN2216-1. Wasn't it only the dongle which
> differed between the two cards?
>
> GTX
> daniel

You'd think so, but power consumption is too high for the palmtop when
nothing at all is connected, you don't have to be using BNC. When you
use RJ45, consumption drops down low enough to be ok for the palmtop. So
if you use an EN2216-2, you need to keep it connected by RJ45 !

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:52:30 -0400
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>Subject: Intellisync, where to get?
>   Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:25:58 -0400
>   From: Domingo >
>
>Hi.   I am trying to sync my information from my Palm back to my hplx, after
>a long Palm hiatus, and I thought about Intellisync, but the hplx version is
>not mentioned in the puma web site.  If memory serves, they don't support it
>anymore.   Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it?   I am trying to sync
>my phone list (and I don't use Outlook, otherwise Curtis' program would come
>in handy).
>Replies on or off the list are appreciated.
>TIA
>Domingo

Domingo
I've got a copy of intellisync version 1.0 for the HP200LX.
It's on 3 floppy disks, they all open in explorer so they're not
obviously corrupted.
Make me an offer and it's yours. I'll consider trades or filthy lucre.
I've settled on the connectivity pack emulation and PC card transfer so
I haven't used the program in years.
The WIN95 machine the program was running on is no more so I believe I
can offer you the disks with a clear conscience.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> 05h38m ago Frank McConnell wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
> > unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
> > for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?
>
> hm, wasn't this only the case if you really use the power-hungry BNC
> Ethernet? If you only use RJ45, I thought power consumption of this
> card would be the same as of the EN2216-1. Wasn't it only the dongle
> which differed between the two cards?

It's even worse if you keep the dongle plugged into the card but unplug
the RJ45 cable from the dongle.  Then, for some reason, the current usage
would jump, up from ~100mA to ~250mA and in some cases all the way up to
~400mA.  Not good for the palmtop at all.  The EN2216-1 had no such
problem; you could plug and unplug the network cable and the change in
current usage would be negligible.

Of course, the tests I ran were on early versions of the EN2216-2 card;
later versions might be different.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" Subject: Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay

...wasn't also Pretec one brand which should be avoided? I remember
someone (you?) saying "Pretec sucks".

And folks, please keep posting me info about working or non-working
flash card setups. Avi, I know you have quite some experience, and
others too! Please help me collecting info for
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage

************************************
Daniel,
I had a Pretec 20MB card.  It worked in the 200 OK, but was slower than the
Sandisk and seemed to use the batteries up quicker.  I sold it and moved on.

Also, when I posted my experiences with the card I use, I forgot to mention
that I did not need to use the Ace driver in any of the palmtops.

Later,
bob

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mujid Abdul-CAM028" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX


> Is all these software legal? Sound like compilation of pirated
copies.

The programs I'm familiar with on that CD are shareware or
freeware.  There might still be licenses to purchase.  I don't see
anything that makes me think it's illegal.

You could do Google searches to find out about the programs you
aren't familiar with before you bid.

I normally try to go along with the "no top posting" rule just to
maintain harmony on the list even though I personally don't care
that much.  But in a question where a response is expected I think
it really is a bad idea.  This thread can't go on much longer now
without becoming unreadable.

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick West [mailto:patrickwest3@ATTBI.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: Draft Choice for HP200LX
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?
> 
> --
> Patrick West, patrick@west.net on 08/21/2002
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:24:48 +0200
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Just browsing (for the first time...) the zone-h.org site, I seen on
the http://www.zone-h.org/en/defacements page, that
http://www.palmtopppaper.com has just been defaced (listed
at 17:42, probably GMT).


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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:23:16 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Bel" 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:48 AM
Subject: Simpletech 448MB


> I have been offered a few used Simpletech 448MB pcmcia cards at
$75 each -
> is this a good buy, and how do they stand up against the
Sandisks?

That's a great price if they work in the LX.

I bought a 32 meg Simpletech card on Ebay for not much beyond
shipping.  I forget the amount now but it was under $10 including
shipping.  It's the only non-Sandisk card I've bought.  It's worked
fine in everything I tried it in so far, including the LX.

It could be that larger cards are more problematic.  So I don't
know that my experience really applies.

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[n]
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Heads Up! FA Accton EN2216-2's


> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> > 05h38m ago Frank McConnell wrote:
> >
> > > I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
> > > unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
> > > for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?
> >
> > hm, wasn't this only the case if you really use the power-hungry BNC
> > Ethernet? If you only use RJ45, I thought power consumption of this
> > card would be the same as of the EN2216-1. Wasn't it only the dongle
> > which differed between the two cards?
>
> It's even worse if you keep the dongle plugged into the card but unplug
> the RJ45 cable from the dongle.  Then, for some reason, the current usage
> would jump, up from ~100mA to ~250mA and in some cases all the way up to
> ~400mA.  Not good for the palmtop at all.  The EN2216-1 had no such
> problem; you could plug and unplug the network cable and the change in
> current usage would be negligible.
>
> Of course, the tests I ran were on early versions of the EN2216-2 card;
> later versions might be different.


Can that power jump because it then has to check the BNC-connector for a
connection? Since that seems to be the powerhog...
Not really a helpfull post, just curious

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:18:08 -0400
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;^<    the bastards! How dare they... Looks like a bunch of script kidz.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Jacques Belin
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Palmtoppaper site defaced !
> Importance: High
>=20
>=20
> Just browsing (for the first time...) the zone-h.org site, I seen on
> the http://www.zone-h.org/en/defacements page, that
> http://www.palmtopppaper.com has just been defaced (listed
> at 17:42, probably GMT).
>=20
>=20
> Jacques.
>=20
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:25:00 +0200
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>>It comes brand new ... in its sealed jewel case.   No box or other
materials .  This CD contains shareware which requires separate payment to
the author if found useful.<<

well, so this seems to be a nice package but actually it isn't  (in my
eyes)... the trails of the programs you like should be available to download
on the internet somewhere so why pay for this shareware compilation?...

[n]
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:21 AM
Subject: Draft Choice for HP200LX


Folks,

I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?

--
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:22:26 -0600
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Hello all;

Does anybody know if there are any problems with using the
Accurite Travel Floppy with an OmniBook 300?  Also, does the
Travel Floppy need the AC adapter when used with the OB300?  Any
other help/suggestions/opinions would be helpful.  Thanks.

Richard Smith
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:25:17 +0200
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Hello fellow listers,

Besides my hp700lx and several printers, I also own a HP calculator, the =
HP48g. Nice (very nice) proof of HP's high-quality products before they =
started making things with too much plastic parts.=20
    For those of you who don't know, it's a graphic calculator, and can =
communicate with the oudside world using a serial port, or IR.=20
    The only drawback is that is only has 32kb of memory (and it lacks =
some processing power, but I can't do anything against that...).  I can =
do 2 things, open it up and take a soldering iron and add some memory =
(and probably killing this fine piece of calculator technology) or just =
exchange the data with my computer, and thus keeping memory usage low.
    Only a few days after I got my 700lx, I thought it'd be nice if =
could excange data between the 700lx and the 48g. I take both of them to =
school, so I could store data for the 48g on my palmtop, which has =
plenty of memory. So, I started dos on the palmtop, did a serctl /i to =
set the serial port power to the IR and started the communication =
program. On the calculator I switched to 'server' mode, using the IR =
port. I placed the 2 HP's in such a manner they could 'see' each other, =
and tried to communicate. (Using the same baudrate for both devices). =
Unfortunately this did not work. I did not yet try to use a cable, =
because it won't be very practical. AFAIK, the 48g speaks the same =
'language' as the 700lx, HP/SIR (raw serial data), but they did not =
connect...

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this?

Thanks!


Niels

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Hello fellow =
listers,


 


Besides my hp700lx and =
several=20
printers, I also own a HP calculator, the HP48g. Nice (very nice) proof =
of HP's=20
high-quality products before they started making things with too much =
plastic=20
parts. 


    For =
those of you=20
who don't know, it's a graphic calculator, and can communicate with the =
oudside=20
world using a serial port, or IR. 


    The =
only drawback=20
is that is only has 32kb of memory (and it lacks some processing power, =
but I=20
can't do anything against that...).  I can do 2 things, open it up =
and take=20
a soldering iron and add some memory (and probably killing this fine =
piece of=20
calculator technology) or just exchange the data with my computer, and =
thus=20
keeping memory usage low.


    Only =
a few days=20
after I got my 700lx, I thought it'd be nice if could excange data =
between the=20
700lx and the 48g. I take both of them to school, so I could store data =
for the=20
48g on my palmtop, which has plenty of memory. So, I started dos on the =
palmtop,=20
did a serctl /i to set the serial port power to the IR and started the=20
communication program. On the calculator I switched to 'server' mode, =
using the=20
IR port. I placed the 2 HP's in such a manner they could 'see' =
each=20
other, and tried to communicate. (Using the same baudrate for both =
devices).=20
Unfortunately this did not work. I did not yet try to use a cable, =
because it=20
won't be very practical. AFAIK, the 48g speaks the same 'language' as =
the 700lx,=20
HP/SIR (raw serial data), but they did not connect...


 


Is there anyone out =
there who can=20
help me with this?


 


Thanks!


 


 


Niels



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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:32:34 +0200
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they're back online now (17:29 gmt).

sad scriptkids, are they really proud of using someone elses exploit to
'hack' some webpage they don't even knew it existed?

oh well, lets keep on moving...

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques Belin" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: Palmtoppaper site defaced !


> Just browsing (for the first time...) the zone-h.org site, I seen on
> the http://www.zone-h.org/en/defacements page, that
> http://www.palmtopppaper.com has just been defaced (listed
> at 17:42, probably GMT).
>
>
> Jacques.
>
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:48:09 -0400
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From:         Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject:      Pretec cards (was:RE: 512meg CF cards on ebay
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I was the one you probably remember saying 'Pretec Sucks'. I had a 40MB =
card that I paid $250-ish for and it was terrible. The damn thing would =
go really slow unless I held a key down. It ate batteries and made a =
sort of noise when I accessed it. It also went completely non-functional =
after owning it for about a year. It is probably the worst buyer-burn of =
an electronic product I have ever suffered (which is not bad considering =
how badly one can be burned in this category).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Bob Penick
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:20 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" Subject: Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay
>=20
> ...wasn't also Pretec one brand which should be avoided? I remember
> someone (you?) saying "Pretec sucks".
>=20
> And folks, please keep posting me info about working or non-working
> flash card setups. Avi, I know you have quite some experience, and
> others too! Please help me collecting info for
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage
>=20
> ************************************
> Daniel,
> I had a Pretec 20MB card.  It worked in the 200 OK, but was=20
> slower than the
> Sandisk and seemed to use the batteries up quicker.  I sold it=20
> and moved on.
>=20
> Also, when I posted my experiences with the card I use, I forgot=20
> to mention
> that I did not need to use the Ace driver in any of the palmtops.
>=20
> Later,
> bob
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Sometimes stuff is hard to find.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8&q=3D%22Draft+C=
hoice+for+HP200LX%22


although there is some mention in the (old) archives

http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/9611/threads.html



> -----Original Message-----
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> Niels
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX
>=20
>=20
> >>It comes brand new ... in its sealed jewel case.   No box or other
> materials .  This CD contains shareware which requires separate =
payment to
> the author if found useful.<<
>=20
> well, so this seems to be a nice package but actually it isn't  (in my
> eyes)... the trails of the programs you like should be available=20
> to download
> on the internet somewhere so why pay for this shareware =
compilation?...
>=20
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick West" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:21 AM
> Subject: Draft Choice for HP200LX
>=20
>=20
> Folks,
>=20
> I saw this on ebay.  Has anyone ever heard of it?
> 
> --
> Patrick West, patrick@west.net on 08/21/2002
>=20
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:53:47 +0200
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 07:56:28AM -0700, Ian Butler wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> > 05h38m ago Frank McConnell wrote:
> >
> > > I'm thinking the EN2216-2 draws more power than is palmtop-safe,
> > > unlike the EN2216-1 which only has to drive a single RJ45 connector
> > > for 10BaseT.  Anyone else remember for sure?
> >
> > hm, wasn't this only the case if you really use the power-hungry BNC
> > Ethernet? If you only use RJ45, I thought power consumption of this
> > card would be the same as of the EN2216-1. Wasn't it only the dongle
> > which differed between the two cards?
>
> It's even worse if you keep the dongle plugged into the card but unplug
> the RJ45 cable from the dongle.  Then, for some reason, the current usage
> would jump, up from ~100mA to ~250mA and in some cases all the way up to
> ~400mA.

If the dongle has both RJ45 and BNC connectors, then the reason is
obvious. Losing the link state on the RJ45, the card activates the BNC
interface - which needs a lot more power than the RJ45.

Regards,
       Alex.
--
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:00:48 -0500
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Thanks for the public and private messages to me and offers to help. It's
appreciated.

Fortunately, it seems a prank and not malicious. They  saved the original
home page. We are doing some testing to make sure more damage wasn't done,
and should be up and running again soon.

Pretty scary.

Hal from Thaddeus

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:14:06 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: HP200/700lx and HP48g


> Besides my hp700lx and several printers, I also own a HP
calculator,
> the HP48g. Nice (very nice) proof of HP's high-quality products
before
> they started making things with too much plastic parts.
> [stuff deleted]
>    The only drawback is that is only has 32kb of memory (and it
lacks
> some processing power, but I can't do anything against that...).
I can
> do 2 things, open it up and take a soldering iron and add some
> memory

You can still get a 48gx on the web fairly easily.  I think they're
still in production, in fact.  It has 128k and you can add 2
expansion cards.  The first one can have another 128k and the
second one can have 4 meg.  I have a 128k and a 2 meg card in mine.

You can also get a 49g and it has 256k as well and another 256k for
storage and 1.5 meg flash storage built in.  The flash seems to be
pretty crashproof, too.  Also the 49g comes with an assembler and
system rpl compiler in rom.

There's an onboard compiler/assembler for the 48gx (too big for the
48g) called Jazz that just might be the most elegant development
system I've ever seen on any computer.  It's a free download.  It
only works on the 48gx with at least one expansion card.  Theyre
working on a 49g port now.  It's available already in incomplete
form but its a little buggy and some features don't work on the 49
yet.

Yes the 49g is plastic but so is the 48.  The 49g just looks like
plastic.  It's really a pretty nice calculator.

>    Only a few days after I got my 700lx, I thought it'd be nice
if could
> excange data between the 700lx and the 48g. I take both of them
> to school, so I could store data for the 48g on my palmtop, which
has
> plenty of memory. So, I started dos on the palmtop, did a serctl
/i to
> set the serial port power to the IR and started the communication
> program. On the calculator I switched to 'server' mode, using the
IR
> port. I placed the 2 HP's in such a manner they could 'see' each
other,
> and tried to communicate. (Using the same baudrate for both
devices).
> Unfortunately this did not work. I did not yet try to use a
cable, because it
> won't be very practical. AFAIK, the 48g speaks the same
'language' as
> the 700lx, HP/SIR (raw serial data), but they did not connect...

IR works fine between them.  The 48g has a lower maximum baud rate
for IR than the LX.  I think it's 2400 baud but I don't remember
for sure.  Theres a software archive at (http://www.hpcalc.org/)
that also has a lot of documentation on just about everything.  You
can get the real information there.  I have mine set to 2400 but I
don't remember why.  It does work.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:27:59 +0200
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sorry for not posting in plain ascii...

here it is again for those who cannot read it when it's html



Hello fellow listers,

Besides my hp700lx and several printers, I also own a HP calculator, the
HP48g. Nice (very nice) proof of HP's high-quality products before they
started making things with too much plastic parts.
    For those of you who don't know, it's a graphic calculator, and can
communicate with the oudside world using a serial port, or IR.
    The only drawback is that is only has 32kb of memory (and it lacks some
processing power, but I can't do anything against that...).  I can do 2
things, open it up and take a soldering iron and add some memory (and
probably killing this fine piece of calculator technology) or just exchange
the data with my computer, and thus keeping memory usage low.
    Only a few days after I got my 700lx, I thought it'd be nice if could
excange data between the 700lx and the 48g. I take both of them to school,
so I could store data for the 48g on my palmtop, which has plenty of memory.
So, I started dos on the palmtop, did a serctl /i to set the serial port
power to the IR and started the communication program. On the calculator I
switched to 'server' mode, using the IR port. I placed the 2 HP's in such a
manner they could 'see' each other, and tried to communicate. (Using the
same baudrate for both devices). Unfortunately this did not work. I did not
yet try to use a cable, because it won't be very practical. AFAIK, the 48g
speaks the same 'language' as the 700lx, HP/SIR (raw serial data), but they
did not connect...

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this?

Thanks!


Niels



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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:52:10 +0200
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>
> You can still get a 48gx on the web fairly easily.  I think they're
> still in production, in fact.  It has 128k and you can add 2
> expansion cards.  The first one can have another 128k and the
> second one can have 4 meg.  I have a 128k and a 2 meg card in mine.
>
> You can also get a 49g and it has 256k as well and another 256k for
> storage and 1.5 meg flash storage built in.  The flash seems to be
> pretty crashproof, too.  Also the 49g comes with an assembler and
> system rpl compiler in rom.

yes, i know, but i'm not intrested in buying a new calculator. thnx for
telling anyway.

>
> There's an onboard compiler/assembler for the 48gx (too big for the
> 48g) called Jazz that just might be the most elegant development
> system I've ever seen on any computer.  It's a free download.  It
> only works on the 48gx with at least one expansion card.  Theyre
> working on a 49g port now.  It's available already in incomplete
> form but its a little buggy and some features don't work on the 49
> yet.
>
> Yes the 49g is plastic but so is the 48.  The 49g just looks like
> plastic.  It's really a pretty nice calculator.

hmm okay, but the 48 is plastic, but has at least metal keys, and a metal
face :) Like the 700, it also looks so... plastic...iewl
And, to be honest, the 49 is idd pretty nice but it's ugly none-the-less. I
mean, why are they starting to make HP's look like TI's??? (altough a TI has
a z80 processor, afaik.. can be another brand, but I thought is was TI who
uses z80's... pretty cool)

>
>
> IR works fine between them.  The 48g has a lower maximum baud rate
> for IR than the LX.  I think it's 2400 baud but I don't remember
> for sure.  Theres a software archive at (http://www.hpcalc.org/)
> that also has a lot of documentation on just about everything.  You
> can get the real information there.  I have mine set to 2400 but I
> don't remember why.  It does work.
>

48g is idd 2400baud

I think I have to try again, then. For I had my palmtop set correctly, and
the calculator (i'm really sure!) There must have been something else
then..? Or I'm just wrong and not everything was set correctly, though I
tested several times...


Thanx for your reply,

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:30:41 -0400
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Thanks for the offer.  Someone else beat you to the punch.

Domingo

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Subject: I've got a copy of Intellisync Version 1.0


> >Subject: Intellisync, where to get?
> >   Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:25:58 -0400
> >   From: Domingo >
> >
> >Hi.   I am trying to sync my information from my Palm back to my hplx,
after
> >a long Palm hiatus, and I thought about Intellisync, but the hplx version
is
> >not mentioned in the puma web site.  If memory serves, they don't support
it
> >anymore.   Can anyone suggest where I might obtain it?   I am trying to
sync
> >my phone list (and I don't use Outlook, otherwise Curtis' program would
come
> >in handy).
> >Replies on or off the list are appreciated.
> >TIA
> >Domingo
>
> Domingo
> I've got a copy of intellisync version 1.0 for the HP200LX.
> It's on 3 floppy disks, they all open in explorer so they're not
> obviously corrupted.
> Make me an offer and it's yours. I'll consider trades or filthy lucre.
> I've settled on the connectivity pack emulation and PC card transfer so
> I haven't used the program in years.
> The WIN95 machine the program was running on is no more so I believe I
> can offer you the disks with a clear conscience.
>
> --
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> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?
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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:49:38 -0700
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:

> hmm okay, but the 48 is plastic, but has at least metal keys, and a
> metal face :)

Almost.  The 48 series has a metal overlay around the keys, but the keys
themselves are plastic, and in fact are almost identical to the 200LX's
keyboard system.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:00:02 +0200
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Ian Butler wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:
>
> > hmm okay, but the 48 is plastic, but has at least metal keys, and a
> > metal face :)
>
> Almost.  The 48 series has a metal overlay around the keys, but the keys
> themselves are plastic, and in fact are almost identical to the 200LX's
> keyboard system.

Right, but at least the keys aren't rubber (albeit hard, solid rubber, but
still)  and the ENTER key has the proper size (not to mention position).
I'm sorry, but the HP49 just isn't a "HP" calculator without those
features ;-)

I believe it defaults to algebraic mode too (although RPN is still there,
naturally).

Actually, I suggest the original poster forgets about getting a GX or 49G
and find a copy of Derive (3.0 or 4.0) instead. The 48G and an LX with
Derive make a strong team.


Regards,

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:13:11 +0200
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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Butler" 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: HP200/700lx and HP48g


> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:
>
> > hmm okay, but the 48 is plastic, but has at least metal keys, and a
> > metal face :)
>
> Almost.  The 48 series has a metal overlay around the keys, but the keys
> themselves are plastic, and in fact are almost identical to the 200LX's
> keyboard system.
>

The keys of my hp48 seem to be real metal, but coated. From one of the keys
a bit of the coating is gone, and it really seems to be metal. Also, I find
they have a real 'metal' feel when you click them. I don't know how to
describe, but they just feel that way. I've never opened the calculator,
though, so I did not look at the keys from the other side (which is probably
not coated :) ). And they're idd very similar to the hp200lx keys. They
calculator's keys feel more solid, but the 200lx keys are softer to type on
(happy for that).

Niels

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:21:20 +0200
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laust Brock-Nannestad" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: HP200/700lx and HP48g


> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Ian Butler wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:
> >
> > > hmm okay, but the 48 is plastic, but has at least metal keys, and a
> > > metal face :)
> >
> > Almost.  The 48 series has a metal overlay around the keys, but the keys
> > themselves are plastic, and in fact are almost identical to the 200LX's
> > keyboard system.
>
> Right, but at least the keys aren't rubber (albeit hard, solid rubber, but
> still)  and the ENTER key has the proper size (not to mention position).
> I'm sorry, but the HP49 just isn't a "HP" calculator without those
> features ;-)
>
> I believe it defaults to algebraic mode too (although RPN is still there,
> naturally).
>
> Actually, I suggest the original poster forgets about getting a GX or 49G
> and find a copy of Derive (3.0 or 4.0) instead. The 48G and an LX with
> Derive make a strong team.
>
>

I do not plan to spend money on a new calculator (need all my money for the
avation courses I'm going to take next year :) ), and the hp48 is just fine.
It's just that i did not get the link with the LX working.
Sorry for being such a n00b, but what is Derive? I know the name from
somewhere but dunno what it is.
Ah well, let's google for it.. :)
ok. For those who did not know (like me) it's a (strong) program to do maths
(Now I know where I've heard that before! it was school...) But at school we
use maple (sth similar) so i'dd better stick to that. And I can get maple
really cheap (students license) though it is windows. But there might be a
dos version...


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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:23 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: HP200/700lx and HP48g


> Right, but at least the keys aren't rubber (albeit hard, solid
rubber, but
> still)  and the ENTER key has the proper size (not to mention
position).
> I'm sorry, but the HP49 just isn't a "HP" calculator without
those
> features ;-)

I like the design of the 48 a lot better, too.  But the 49 seems
good to me.  I have one.  I like the looks of the 48 better and the
keys are sure better and the layout is a lot more intelligent.  But
the 49 is extremely configurable and you can make the keys whatever
you want them to be.

As for algebraic mode, that's how it comes but there's a software
switch to change it to start in RPN mode.  And RPN is really the
main mode.  Everything works in RPN.  Most things also work in
algebraic mode.

It also has facilities for a startup file so you can make sure it
always starts in RPN mode even if you clear memory.  The startup
file can be kept in flash.

You can even have a startup file for the editor.  Also for several
of the other features.

My use of a calculator is pretty simple except that I used to like
programming them.  The 48 is a better design.  But the 49 is a lot
more powerful and a lot more flexible.  I can handle ugly.  :)

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:30:51 -0700
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:

> The keys of my hp48 seem to be real metal, but coated. From one of the keys
> a bit of the coating is gone, and it really seems to be metal. Also, I find
> they have a real 'metal' feel when you click them. I don't know how to
> describe, but they just feel that way.

Unless you have a specialty model, they aren't metal, they're plastic
through and through.  The feel when you click them comes from the plastic
bubble underneath the key itself.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:07:18 -0400
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Theodore Heise wrote:
> Ulrich Boche writes:
> > From your measurements it appears that a sleeping HP 200 LX
> > appears to forget to turn the hour-glass from time to time :-)
> >
> > It would be interesting to know whether the difference is mainly due
> > to sleep mode vs. active mode or alkaline batteries vs. power supply.
> > My guess would be that the former is the primary cause.
>
> Could well be.  I'm not particularly eager to run any more tests,
> especially in light of the lack of interest in this one.

   Actually it is interesting.  You said weekly measurements?
I can see why you may not not want to continue though.

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Alexander Schreiber wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 07:56:28AM -0700, Ian Butler wrote:
>
> > It's even worse if you keep the dongle plugged into the card but unplug
> > the RJ45 cable from the dongle.  Then, for some reason, the current usage
> > would jump, up from ~100mA to ~250mA and in some cases all the way up to
> > ~400mA.
>
> If the dongle has both RJ45 and BNC connectors, then the reason is
> obvious. Losing the link state on the RJ45, the card activates the BNC
> interface - which needs a lot more power than the RJ45.

   Well I didn't unplug the RJ-45 when plugged in the 200LX
(that I remember, it could have happened during setup), but the
card worked well with no obvious problems attributable to the card.
I guess from what you say, that it's not an experiment to try, and
something to watch out for..

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:25:53 -0400
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Hi Barry and all,

> > Thanks so much for the benefit of your experience in checking out the
> > 9110 Communicator.  It does sound like compatibility would always be
an
> > issue.  It's too bad since it appeared to me to be the 486 based
handheld
> > that we've been looking for.
> >
> > Oh, BTW, in the About DOS page on that site, there was mention that
the
> > communicator's screen runs in 640X200X16 Graphics mode.
>
> I guess I'd still be surprised if many people replaced the LX with
> it but on re-reading that page and looking at some other stuff I'm
> less skeptical than I was.
>
> I hadn't realized it had a CGA sized screen and I thought I
> remembered that there was no text mode.  Either one of those
> problems would be severe limitations.  But I was wrong about them.
>
> Appearantly it's still not nearly as Dos compatible as the LX but
> for someone who doesn't use a lot of software and doesn't need the
> full power of the built-in LX apps, you might be right.

The 9220 Communicator's XT emulator is interesting, but I don't really
consider the 9220 Communicator as a adequate replacement for the HP200LX
since it's XT emulator runs DOS programs slower than a single speed
HP200LX..

I'm much more interested in the 9110 Communicator since it runs in real
DOS on an actual 486.  That should offer enough power and speed to handle
many of the DOS programs that the 186 based HP200LX simply can't... and
it even offers a backlite screen. :-)

The stickler is that there are a few "never started" projects to remove
most of the limitations, and they require the attention of some talented
programmers.

So, here is the big question in my mind:

Are there enough talented programmers on this mailing list who are
interested in the 9110 Communicator enough to fix those last remaining
glitches?

I'm looking forward to any and all replies. :-)

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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From: "Niels" 
To: 
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Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX


> >>It comes brand new ... in its sealed jewel case.   No box or other
> materials .  This CD contains shareware which requires separate payment to
> the author if found useful.<<
>
> well, so this seems to be a nice package but actually it isn't  (in my
> eyes)... the trails of the programs you like should be available to
download
> on the internet somewhere so why pay for this shareware compilation?...

Well, some people might think the small amount of money being charged is
worth more than their time to hunt all these programs down.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:28 -0400
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Subject:      Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX

Sorry for the last message folks. I am getting ready to leave for a business
trip and changed computers and mailers. In the process the formatting of my
messages got messed up. The attached message appears to come from Neils but
it is a response from me to his message.

Vic


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Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX


> From: "Niels" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX
>
>
> > >>It comes brand new ... in its sealed jewel case.   No box or other
> > materials .  This CD contains shareware which requires separate payment
to
> > the author if found useful.<<
> >
> > well, so this seems to be a nice package but actually it isn't  (in my
> > eyes)... the trails of the programs you like should be available to
> download
> > on the internet somewhere so why pay for this shareware compilation?...
>
> Well, some people might think the small amount of money being charged is
> worth more than their time to hunt all these programs down.
>
> Vic Roberts
>
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:30:32 -0400
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Subject:      my flash card report, 4 cards work in 3 palmtops
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I have 3 200LXs

200LX single speed 2Mb  SG54300657  ROM  1.02A
200LX double speed 8Mb  SG51000272  ROM  1.02A
200LX double speed 8Mb  SG71201069  ROM  1.02A

I have one PCMCIA card:
Sandisk 175 MB  5 volt **A7131177A  SDP5BH-175  1995

I have three CF cards:
Sandisk 80 MB  SDCFB '99
RCA (Sandisk) 64 MB '99
Sandisk 15 MB '97

All 4 cards worked in all the palmtops without any drivers installed.
I re-started the palmtops and selected option 5 (do not process start up
files)
I was pleasantly surprised to see that both DS displays were legible
without he spd31 driver.

Thanks to Daniel for all his efforts.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:44:14 -0400
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I agree that the 48g is an impressive machine, powerful and
sophisticated.
But, how do I put this, it's just got too many buttons.
I got mine from a pre-med student who never had time to figure out where
the keys are.
I can sympathize, I had to look in the manual to figure out how to make
the Pi key give me a numeric value instead of a greek letter. I liked
seeing the stack but the 200LX calculator does that.
Bottom line, I've traded off the 48 to someone who likes programming and
I've got a 15c on the way.
It's small, rugged and I know where all the keys are (I've had an 11c
for years).
It won't be able to do most of the advanced stuff the 48 can (the only
way to do graphs is to tape a crayon to it) but I can manage with Solver
on the LX and Mathcad on the thinkpad.
When you want 4 functions in your pocket it's hard to beat the 11c.
The 15c has better programming capabilities which I probably won't use
but I like having them there.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:48:19 -0700
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Back in April of 1998, Olas Hubbs posted the following to the HPHAND
forum on Compuserve:

"My first choice for 2D Cad is Draft Choice 2.1 for the palmtop. I have
made hundreds of drawings with this program from TRIUS (in the libs).
When registered you can buy additional library file and a format
translation program XTRAN that is two way between native .DCH and .DXF,
.PLC, and .WPG. I had had success translating from DCH to DXF and having
the file read without error into CAM software. My second choice is
KeyCAD (an earlier version of DC). Note that XTRAN also does a one way
transfer from .KCF (KeyCAD) to .DCH. The only problem I have encountered
is with arcs. They are short straight line segments that can be a
problem if used for some machining operations.

I use PEP (also in the libs) for more graphic applications. It is an
object orientated drawing program. I use it when writing instruction
sheets/manuals that use text and graphics. Native file format is .PDL.
Will import TEXT and .PIC; export PCX.

I tried PalDraw several years ago, but preferred DC2.1. DC2.1 and PEP
have been workhorses for me for over 4 years on the 100LX and 200LX."

The libs he refers to where the forum libraries.

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Back in April of 1998, Olas Hubbs posted the following to the HPHAND
forum on Compuserve:

"My first choice for 2D Cad is Draft Choice 2.1 for the palmtop. I have
made hundreds of drawings with this program from TRIUS (in the libs).
When registered you can buy additional library file and a format
translation program XTRAN that is two way between native .DCH and .DXF,
.PLC, and .WPG. I had had success translating from DCH to DXF and having
the file read without error into CAM software. My second choice is
KeyCAD (an earlier version of DC). Note that XTRAN also does a one way
transfer from .KCF (KeyCAD) to .DCH. The only problem I have encountered
is with arcs. They are short straight line segments that can be a
problem if used for some machining operations.

I use PEP (also in the libs) for more graphic applications. It is an
object orientated drawing program. I use it when writing instruction
sheets/manuals that use text and graphics. Native file format is .PDL.
Will import TEXT and .PIC; export PCX.

I tried PalDraw several years ago, but preferred DC2.1. DC2.1 and PEP
have been workhorses for me for over 4 years on the 100LX and 200LX."

The libs he refers to where the forum libraries. TRIUS can be found at
www.triusinc.com

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:41:27 +0100
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Apacer 128MB doesn`t work in DS 200lx ROM 1.01a I bought a Transcend 128MB
CF - that works well

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List    On Behalf Of
Bob Penick 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:20 PM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" Subject: Re: 512meg CF cards on ebay
>
> ...wasn't also Pretec one brand which should be avoided? I remember
> someone (you?) saying "Pretec sucks".
>
> And folks, please keep posting me info about working or non-working
> flash card setups. Avi, I know you have quite some experience, and
> others too! Please help me collecting info for
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage
>
> ************************************
> Daniel,
> I had a Pretec 20MB card.  It worked in the 200 OK, but was slower than
the
> Sandisk and seemed to use the batteries up quicker.  I sold it and moved
on.
>
> Also, when I posted my experiences with the card I use, I forgot to
mention
> that I did not need to use the Ace driver in any of the palmtops.
>
> Later,
> bob
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:16 +0200
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Hi all

As much as I enjoy the mails in this list (both the on and off-topic ones)
there is just too much noise to stay focused on the HP.

I will unsubscribe now, eventhough I still keep using my 200LX every day at
least 5 times (2 times tetris games, 1 time freecell game, 1 time address
book to indicate time started work and 1 time addr book indicating when I'm
going home.)

Cheers from a sunny South Africa... this morning is lovely .. the winter is
finally starting to subside and I'll start actively cycling again.

Special regards to Bob Penick and Daniel Hetrich, but there are many others
whom I'll miss dearly.

Maybe I'll be back if I find the time some day.

-------------------------
Donald Klopper
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:13:36 +0200
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I think that server mode on the hp48g starts a KERMIT protocol server.
Go to datacom and enable KERMIT. It has been a while since I sold my
hp48 but that is how I remember it.

> set the serial port power to the IR and started the communication program. On the calculator I switched to 'server' mode, using the IR
> port. I placed the 2 HP's in such a manner they could 'see' each other, and tried to communicate. (Using the same baudrate for both devices).
> Unfortunately this did not work. I did not yet try to use a cable, because it won't be very practical. AFAIK, the 48g speaks the same
> 'language' as the 700lx, HP/SIR (raw serial data), but they did not connect...
>
> Is there anyone out there who can help me with this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Niels
>
> [n]
>

      /tomas moberg
                       Uppsala

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:45 +0100
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So I did more investigation - it is useless because you need to remove
original chips on MB to have enough space:-((
So you get nothing. Better solution is to get more 2 MB chips, solder them
on the expansion board and remove the two
on the motherboard. However I was looking for same chips used on T2T 4MB
upgrade - unsuccessfully.

You should try to sell that old expansion board.

Radek
>  -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:41 AM
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> Subject:      Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
> tell me more............
> where do I get the instructions for doing this????
> I have done some limited surface mount stuff before,
> so I think I could manage this,
>
> regards,
>
> Kerwin Robertson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Svagr, Radek 
> To: 
> Sent: 09 August 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: 1mb internal memory card for sale.
>
>
> If you have good soldering skills you can add it to the 4MB and get in
total
> 6MB...
>
> Radek
>
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:         HPLX Mailing List    On Behalf
Of
> Kerwin Robertson 
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:11 AM
> > To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> > Subject:      1mb internal memory card for sale.
> >
> > I have just added a 4mb memory upgrade to my 200lx,
> > mine had a 1mb card already fitted, so the 1mb card is now going spare.
> > I have no idea of it's value, so any offers (sensible ones please) ???
> >
> > free shipping to the UK for members of this list, shipping given at a
> > discounted rate to USA
> > for members of this list.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Kerwin Robertson
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:43:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Theodore Heise 
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Andrew wrote:

> Bottom line, I've traded off the 48 to someone who likes
> programming and I've got a 15c on the way. It's small, rugged
> and I know where all the keys are (I've had an 11c for years).
> It won't be able to do most of the advanced stuff the 48 can
> (the only way to do graphs is to tape a crayon to it) but I
> can manage with Solver on the LX and Mathcad on the thinkpad.
> When you want 4 functions in your pocket it's hard to beat the
> 11c.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love my 11C.  When
my original was destroyed by gasoline in a car wreck in 1991, I
called HP in desperation because the product had been discontinued.
They refurbished it for $35--it came back looking like a new unit
( I think maybe it was).

One other advantage of the 11C (as most HPs) is the RPN.  My kids
and wife will not touch the thing because of it, and therefore I
always know where it is.  

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:44:54 -0500
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Wow - $185 on ebay for an HP 15c?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374348550

Tell me again why HP stopped making them? ;^)

Ken

>
> From: Andrew 
> Date: 2002/08/21 Wed PM 11:44:14 CDT
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)
>

> I've got a 15c on the way.
> It's small, rugged and I know where all the keys are (I've had an 11c
> for years).
> It won't be able to do most of the advanced stuff the 48 can (the only
> way to do graphs is to tape a crayon to it) but I can manage with Solver
> on the LX and Mathcad on the thinkpad.
> When you want 4 functions in your pocket it's hard to beat the 11c.
> The 15c has better programming capabilities which I probably won't use
> but I like having them there.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:51:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Chris Lott 
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> One other advantage of the 11C (as most HPs) is the RPN.  My kids
> and wife will not touch the thing because of it, and therefore I
> always know where it is.  

Me too!  Personally, I have gravitated towards the HP32S, although
I used to use 15C long ago.  Another nice one in same small package
is 42S, but I find the button menu system a bit clumsy and prefer
the fixed-functions-per-button approach.  The 32S is guilty of
using menus for some operations, but those are infrequently used.
My favorite was on old 34C which has FOUR functions per button,
when used with the f(gold), g(blue) or h(black) function buttons!
To my mind, THAT is the ultimate calculator interface.  Everything
right where you can see it.

-Chris


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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:41:21 +1000
Reply-To:     Tim Pitman 
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Subject:      Re: The 486 based 9110 Communicator that offers access to DOS
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Well I've just won a 9110i on Ebay, so when it arrives I'll be
investigating...

I've done a fair bit of hplx and pc low level programming in C and
assembler, so I'll see what I can do.  The machine looks to be a good
atlernative at a cheaper price than the LX even!

I'd be interested to know how much interest there is, however.

Tim Pitman



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From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On Behalf Of
John J Vanderstel
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:26 AM
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: Re: The 486 based 9110 Communicator that offers access to DOS
The 9220 Communicator's XT emulator is interesting, but I don't really
consider the 9220 Communicator as a adequate replacement for the HP200LX
since it's XT emulator runs DOS programs slower than a single speed
HP200LX..

I'm much more interested in the 9110 Communicator since it runs in real
DOS on an actual 486.  That should offer enough power and speed to
handle many of the DOS programs that the 186 based HP200LX simply
can't... and it even offers a backlite screen. :-)

The stickler is that there are a few "never started" projects to remove
most of the limitations, and they require the attention of some talented
programmers.

So, here is the big question in my mind:

Are there enough talented programmers on this mailing list who are
interested in the 9110 Communicator enough to fix those last remaining
glitches?

I'm looking forward to any and all replies. :-)

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:10:21 -0500
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Subject: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)


> I agree that the 48g is an impressive machine, powerful and
> sophisticated.
> But, how do I put this, it's just got too many buttons.

It has 49 buttons.  The 200lx has 80 buttons.

I just counted them.  They both have too many buttons.  :)

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:14:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX


> Back in April of 1998, Olas Hubbs posted the following to the
HPHAND
> forum on Compuserve:
>
> "My first choice for 2D Cad is Draft Choice 2.1 for the palmtop.
I have
> made hundreds of drawings with this program from TRIUS (in the
libs).

I tried the LX version of Draft Choice yesterday and it works fine
on the PC.  On the LX it seems to work until I actually try to draw
with it.  Then there's no cursor.  I tried different screen modes
but I couldn't get the cursor.  Any idea why?  Is there a special
switch for the B&W CGA?

Barry

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:27 -0400
Reply-To:     Erwann ABALEA 
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On 21-08 15:00 EDT, you wrote:

> Right, but at least the keys aren't rubber (albeit hard, solid rubber, but
> still)  and the ENTER key has the proper size (not to mention position).
> I'm sorry, but the HP49 just isn't a "HP" calculator without those
> features ;-)

Like Barry, I also have an HP49 along with an HP48 (I have an HP48SX, and
an HP48GX with a 128k RAM card and MetaKernel), and even if the HP49
design is ugly, and the keyboard has a strange feeling, and all those
good reasons against the HP49, when you start to use it, you find it
really cool. It's extremely configurable, it has some nice new features
(for example big integers), and it does a much better job than a pure
HP48. Flash memory is a nice addon, and flash ROM is also a good thing.

> I believe it defaults to algebraic mode too (although RPN is still there,
> naturally).

Yes, by default the HP49 is in algebraic mode (for braindead people ;).
It can be changed to RPN with only 3 keypresses.

> Actually, I suggest the original poster forgets about getting a GX or 49G
> and find a copy of Derive (3.0 or 4.0) instead. The 48G and an LX with
> Derive make a strong team.

I never used Derive before, but I know it's the basis of the TI
calculators. I bought a 4.11 DOS version some weeks ago, and find it
very nice to use. It works perfectly on my HP200LX SS, and on my home
PC.

Of course, for number crunching, you can't beat a real HP (though,
again, the HP49 is still good for that, even if it can't be considered
as a 'real' HP).

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:02 -0400
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On 22-08 07:44 EDT, you wrote:

> Wow - $185 on ebay for an HP 15c?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374348550
>
> Tell me again why HP stopped making them? ;^)

Check the www.hpmuseum.org web site (a very good one, and if anybody's
looking for old manuals, buy the 5 CD set for US$25, and you're OK),
look for the prices of the calculators. You'll find a note telling that
during the same week, an HP16c was sold both at US$25 and US$"much
more". I'm the one who bought it at US$25 ;) (30 EUR in fact).
The week after, I bought an HP15c for 60 EUR (about US$50 at this time).

To me, the best 'pocket' calculator for number crunching is the HP42s.
Fast, complete, easy to use, easy to read, good form factor. The best.
No, I won't sell it. :)

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:17:07 +0200
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[snip]

> > well, so this seems to be a nice package but actually it isn't  (in my
> > eyes)... the trails of the programs you like should be available to
> download
> > on the internet somewhere so why pay for this shareware compilation?...
>
> Well, some people might think the small amount of money being charged is
> worth more than their time to hunt all these programs down.

I have to agree with you. That's why I said, in my eyes, but maybe I said it
to harsh. If I offended s.o., I'm sorry and I hereby apologize.

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Hello,

I have 2 cf-cards: a canon 8mb and a sandisk 64mb. I do have a hp700lx, 2mb,
single speed (don't know if there are any upgraded 700lx-es), ver1.06EB,
SG63500106 and it works all fine. The 64mb is slow on loading (that other
problem), where I do not really notice a delay with the 8mb card.

Daniel, good luck with your survey.


Niels

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:49:42 -0400
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The good news is that I came across a cheap ($29) utility that was able
to recover the photos (from years ago) on a 8Mb Smartmedia card that
would not read on my Wallstreet (OS 8.6), my Thinkpad (Win98Lite) or the
camera.
See  for more. The free demo
showed me the pictures but wouldn't save them. The $29 full version
allowed me to save them.

I tried it under Win98 and WinME and nothing came up but a message
suggesting that if this approach didn't work you might do better with
Win2000 or WinXP.
So I borrowed a friends WinXP machine and got the job done pausing only
to switch off the Universal Plug and Play security hole by way of
thanks.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:42:02 +0200
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Hi Ted

08h48m ago Theodore Heise wrote:

> One other advantage of the 11C (as most HPs) is the RPN.  My kids
> and wife will not touch the thing because of it, and therefore I
> always know where it is.  

Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM is
still used so commonly, I always thought it is obsolete. But there must
be some advantage. Which?

Thanks
daniel

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> > One other advantage of the 11C (as most HPs) is the RPN.  My kids
> > and wife will not touch the thing because of it, and therefore I
> > always know where it is.  
>
> Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM is
> still used so commonly, I always thought it is obsolete. But there must
> be some advantage. Which?

Daniel:

Yeah, as an engineer I much prefer to use Hertz or Cycles/Second instead
of RPM.  I always get confused about whether to multiply or divide by
60...  8-)

Seriously, there are reports showing that calculations in RPN require
slightly fewer keystrokes.  But we'd better tread lightly on this topic.
It is almost a "religion" to some folks...

-Chris Lott


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> Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood
> why RPM is still used so commonly, I always thought it is
> obsolete. But there must be some advantage. Which?

It took me about a month to get used to RPN.  Everybody said a week
but I'm stubborn.

I stuck it out that month because I'd just paid a ridiculous price
for the 48 and I was stuck with it.  Now I use it because it's
easier.

A lot of people say they have a hard time going back to algebraic
entry.  I still use regular calculators enough that I usually don't
even notice the switch.  But if the calculator has the option I'll
always switch to RPN.  It's easier.  Fewer keystrokes, although you
need to do a bit of entry before you save any keystrokes.  And it's
a lot easier to change your mind in midstream based on partial
results.  You can have partial results with either system but with
RPN you always have them so if you decide they'll be useful at some
point, they're there.

If you ever try it for a while, you'll know why people who use it
like it so much.  It'll get obsolete about the same time our brains
do.  :)

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>>A lot of people say they have a hard time going back to algebraic
>>entry.

I fell in love with rpn and the stack as soon as i spent a few minutes with
it. when i can no longer get a calculator with rpn i guess that is when i
will go back to pencil and paper 

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200LX double speed 5Mb ROM 1.02A

Works without a driver with the Canon 8MB Compact Flash
model FC-8M that came with my Canon Powershot S200 digital camera.

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Donald Klopper wrote:
> As much as I enjoy the mails in this list (both the on and off-topic ones)
> there is just too much noise to stay focused on the HP.
>
> I will unsubscribe now, eventhough I still keep using my 200LX every day at
...

I hear you Donald! I've been tempted to signoff several times
recently due to the noise level.

Someone explain to me why posts about Nigerian scams are tolerated??

How many more will we lose?

Cheers... Russ

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> Donald Klopper wrote:
> > As much as I enjoy the mails in this list (both the on and
off-topic ones)
> > there is just too much noise to stay focused on the HP.
> >
> > I will unsubscribe now, eventhough I still keep using my 200LX
every day at
> ...
>
> I hear you Donald! I've been tempted to signoff several times
> recently due to the noise level.
>
> Someone explain to me why posts about Nigerian scams are
tolerated??

When you think we're too far off topic, speak up.  You have as much
control of this as anyone else.  This is a pretty polite group and
reminders like that are received well and usually work.

For a while   People get caught up in things and need a reminder
from time to time.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:23:00 +0800
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Previously before computers were affordable, HP had top of the line
RPN programmable calculators which one could attach lots of
accessories.  It also had lots of RAM and complex programs could be
written for it.  I read that the astronauts of the space shuttle had
HP41 calculators as backups.

Now, I don't think RPN is so commonly used other than in the
financial/accounting circle because of the HP12C.  It was(is?) the
most popular financial calculator around.  Lots of rich investors
today grew up on those and lots of books were written on it.  So I'm
guessing if u want to convince them, u got to show your  calculations
on the 12C :)  Many books, such as real estate, loans, cash flow, were
written to teach people how to analyse big ticket items.  Those books
used HP12C as the tool.

In my ignorance of finance matters, I too bought an HP12C to learn.
The manual which came with it is excellent.  Then one day when I was
fiddling with the 200LX after getting a hang of the 12C, I noticed
that practically all the 12C functions can be found on the 200LX!

The other area where only RPN would work is if the equation to compute
has a lot of ().  Most modern day calculators have a finite level of
() it supports.  RPN doesn't have that limit.

rgds
weemeng

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Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM
is
still used so commonly, I always thought it is obsolete. But there
must
be some advantage. Which?

Thanks
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:26:45 -0400
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Has anyone else notice the left hinge getting loose?
It's not letting the screen flop over but when I open the screen 90
degrees and wiggle it back and forth the hinge end cap moves relative to
the base.
2 of my 3 LXs have this problem and I don't know if I should worry about
it.
The 3rd one has the traditional hinge crack. At least I know how to deal
with that problem.
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Date:         Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:09:44 -0500
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:43:05 -0500 Theodore Heise wrote:
>I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love my 11C.

My old 41C had the best user interface of any calculator I've ever
used. The keys were laid out right, it took just the right amount of
pressure to press them, everything.

But I got 12C's for me and my wife in 1986. We still actively use
them, even though the keys take *way* too much pressure to click. But
the amazing thing is that both of our 12C's, 16 years old, are on
their original set of batteries.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:26:45 -0400 Andrew wrote:
>Has anyone else notice the left hinge getting loose?
>It's not letting the screen flop over but when I open the screen 90
>degrees and wiggle it back and forth the hinge end cap moves relative to
>the base.

Does it just wiggle, or is it actually lifted up slightly from the
base? Mine did that once when I dropped it, and I've heard from others
that did the same. I snapped it back in place by removing the battery
cover and the batteries, and forcefully squeezing it together (one
thumb in the battery compartment, the other on top of the hinge). It
took quite a bit of pressure, but went back just right.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:29:13 +0200
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hi Andrew,

Andrew schrieb =FCber loose left hinge? (not hinge crack):

> Has anyone else notice the left hinge getting loose?
> It's not letting the screen flop over but when I open the screen 90
> degrees and wiggle it back and forth the hinge end cap moves relative =
to
> the base.
> 2 of my 3 LXs have this problem and I don't know if I should worry =
about
> it.

I had this problem after a hard fall of my Palmtop. Inside the hinge=20
there was some plastic material smashed.=20
I was lucky and found a spare part (inner side of the screen housing)=20
and a friend who was able to manage the hinge reassembling.

Thanks for the link with the smart media repair. I have something=20
similar at home, I'll see if it is the same than you told me.=20
I'll let you know.

cheers,
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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:48 +0200
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Actually, just putting the Euro-sign at some location is not a good
idea, especially if you want to print out your documents. The location
of the Euro sign is defined in several code pages, for example
"CP Multilingual", and most of them use position 213 (D5h) for it, so
the palmtop should use exactly the same character, as otherwise you
may well be able to use the Euro sign internally on your palmtop, but
you won't be able to exchange documents with other people, computers
and platforms.

Of course finding a key combination and assigning that to ASCII 213
is the next problem, but I assume that this can be solved with the
key200 TSR.

Thomas
www.rundel.net/palmtop


Hans Jacob Waern wrote:
 > Hi!
 >
 > Axel`s suggestion showed another of the snags we have here, iand is if =
we are talking about CP437 or CP850. The peseta sign is certainly 158 in =
CP437 s Axel writes but this is a "=D7" in CP850 (and on the standard =
Euro English overlay fn+*). The two acce
 > nted French "e" have the same codes in both CP:s. The system manager =
works by default with 850 - in DOS you can choose. I think the idea =
behind this font was mainly systemmanager applications.
 > Anyhow, we can certainly ask Andrew to reestablish the e-grave in the =
Andrew fonts and try to find some other lamb to sacrifice as to the code. =
However keys will more difficult as it seems all fn-keys are taken and =
loved, even "=A7" and probably even "=D7"
 >  If that is the case then there remains (forgetting Key) accessing the =
Euro-sign with alt+menu+a code (that would hopefully won=B4t louse up =
something else).
 > The idea behind a simple fn+key command for the Euro-sign was that =
will probably be one of there frequently used symbols on this side of the =
Atlantic.
 >
 > Comments?
 >
 > Hans Jacob

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Hi all,I would to know if there is any service like
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would like to use palmtop.com i have to make a call to
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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:15:09 +0200
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which is the same card I have, but I got it with my 700lx (which I got 2nd
hand)

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> 200LX double speed 5Mb ROM 1.02A
>
> Works without a driver with the Canon 8MB Compact Flash
> model FC-8M that came with my Canon Powershot S200 digital camera.
>
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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:18 PM

1. LX model
HP200LX  stock 4 Mb SS   SG713...
French
2. LX ROM version (shown at startup)
1.02 A F
3. Doublespeed upgraded machine?      no

4. Flash card: brand
Sandisk
5. full size ATA or CF?
CF
6. model, capacity?
SDCFB  Type I  copyright99 Sandisk  256 Mb

7. all model numbers you can find on the card
( AR0203NX  China written in white on the side)
Pat.5070032, 5172338, 5602987
Logo CE (European community)

8. acecard driver needed?
No  ! ;-)

9. anything else you consider relevant
Just plug in, it works (without formating)

Good  job, Daniel !

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM is
> still used so commonly, I always thought it is obsolete. But there must
> be some advantage. Which?

One advantage, most RPN users don't think about is the ease of
programming of a calculater.

My LXPRO TSR program has a calculator built in (F4 hotkey) and
it turned out to be much simpler to program in RPN mode than in
algebraic mode. And because a HP was the target machine, I did
not hesitate a moment to make it a RPN calculator.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:05:54 +0200
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> But there must
> be some advantage. Which?

There are two IMHO:
a) It is easier and cheaper to implement than a parser translating the
human way of expression into stack useage.
b) It enables people who have mastered to bend their minds round machine
language to put on superiour airs.

While a) was the more more important at the time of the first scientific
calculators (remember the prices?) it has long been superceded by b)
now.
Polish notation as such does have its place in mathematics, but the
reverse is just and adjustment to the hardware limitations of the day.

My two cents, worth a bit less than 2 =A2 of the US variety.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:19:34 +0200
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Wee-Meng LEE wrote:
> Most modern day calculators have a finite level of
> () it supports.  RPN doesn't have that limit.

It does. The limit for a certain machine of one kind may of higher or
lower than that of an individual one of the other, but just try doing
   ... and you will get a
"stack overflow" some time. IIRC the depth is not higher than the nine
parnthesis limit typical of current calculators.
I myself would never use more than two. My sharp has an eighty character
input line, which I can go back on to check my input. Without that I'd
not attempt inputting involved and long entries into anything. In the
"=DCbungen" (English term?) for reactor technnology at the RWTH I was the
only one not using a calculator but doing it in my head. I was always
the fastest in the group and surprisingly often the most accurate. I
always managed to stay inside a factor of two while one wrong keystroke
put everyone else way off. And with things as intuitive as neutron flux
you don't immediately see when you're off by several magnitudes.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:24:49 +0200
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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> and
> it turned out to be much simpler to program in RPN mode than in
> algebraic mode.

Exactly! And at the prices you charge I'm prepared to accept that. But
when someone charges money for a calculator I want him to do the work
for me and not the other way round.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:29:42 +0200
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: OT: keys of the hp48g(x/+) was:Re: HP200/700lx and HP48g


> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Niels wrote:
>
> > The keys of my hp48 seem to be real metal, but coated. From one of the
keys
> > a bit of the coating is gone, and it really seems to be metal. Also, I
find
> > they have a real 'metal' feel when you click them. I don't know how to
> > describe, but they just feel that way.
>
> Unless you have a specialty model, they aren't metal, they're plastic
> through and through.  The feel when you click them comes from the plastic
> bubble underneath the key itself.
>


Although I would still swear the keys are metal, but you've convinced me.
Okay, they are not metal...*snif* you've just broken an illusion :( *snif*


Greetz from a sad Niels :)

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:05:23 +0200
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No idea, but if all else fails, try the version on Super

Etienne
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From: "Barry" 
> I tried the LX version of Draft Choice yesterday and it works
fine
> on the PC.  On the LX it seems to work until I actually try to
draw
> with it.  Then there's no cursor.  I tried different screen
modes
> but I couldn't get the cursor.  Any idea why?  Is there a
special
> switch for the B&W CGA?
>
> Barry
>
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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:46:02 -0500
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Daniel Hertrich writes:
> And folks, please keep posting me info about working or non-working
> flash card setups.

I have an EagleTec 32mb CF card which would crash when the HP200 batteries were
running low. Apparently when the batteries were low, the HPLX wouldnt
supply enough power to the card to complete the write. This would resut in a
"disk Crash" and I would have to reformat the entire card. After the 2nd time
I stopped using this card in the HPLX.


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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:44:52 +0200
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Hi Thomas

04h03m ago Thomas Rundel wrote:

> Actually, just putting the Euro-sign at some location is not a good
> idea, especially if you want to print out your documents. The location
> of the Euro sign is defined in several code pages, for example
> "CP Multilingual", and most of them use position 213 (D5h) for it, so

Aha, so what Michael Salzburger did in the helv200 font is already
according to that standard. Good to know. :-)

I will upload his modified helv200 helvetica font soon onto
SUPER. Works perfectly and is available for codepages 850 and 437, two
different versions.

> the palmtop should use exactly the same character, as otherwise you
> may well be able to use the Euro sign internally on your palmtop, but
> you won't be able to exchange documents with other people, computers
> and platforms.

Yes, this was what I pointed out at the beginning of this thread, I
also think that a standard code should be chosen.

But so far I have not succeeded exchanging a document between DOS and
Linux and preserving the Euro symbol.
I have use Alt-Menu-213 to enter the symol, the new helvetica font by
Michael, this one for codepage 437, since my palmtop uses that codepage
(German version) displaed it as Euro sign, but loading it into a Linux
editor which is configured to use the standard ISO-8859-15, which has
the Euro sign built-in, shows siomething strange at the position of the
Euro symbol. But it also doesn't display the German Umlauts correctly
and adds a square (=3Dnon-dsisplayable character) at the end of each
line.

I ran the dos2unix transcoding script, which comes with most Linux
distributions, over the file and that at least removed the end-of-line
squares, and the Umlauts also display correctly now.
But still not the Euro sign. :-( It shows up as a capital O with a
circonflex.

So ASCII position 213 does not seem to be compatible with ISO-8859-15.

GTX
daniel


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On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 07:14, Barry wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Spiers" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Choice for HP200LX
>
>
> > Back in April of 1998, Olas Hubbs posted the following to the
> HPHAND
> > forum on Compuserve:
> >
> > "My first choice for 2D Cad is Draft Choice 2.1 for the palmtop.
> I have
> > made hundreds of drawings with this program from TRIUS (in the
> libs).
>
> I tried the LX version of Draft Choice yesterday and it works fine
> on the PC.  On the LX it seems to work until I actually try to draw
> with it.  Then there's no cursor.  I tried different screen modes
> but I couldn't get the cursor.  Any idea why?  Is there a special
> switch for the B&W CGA?
Apologies to all for the double posting although there was an extra
piece of information (URL for Trius) in the second message. I have never
had a need to use Draft Choice and so can't comment further than the
message I have already posted. If you contact the man with dayglo laces
he used to have an archive of every message ever posted to HPHAND and
you could ask him to do a search for you - justify his keeping that
archive all these years:-)

BTW I didn't mention the individuals name so as to avoid everyone asking
him to do searches - he is pretty busy these days.

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A big thank you!

This works, and I think the other program might work as well, because I just
think I didn't line up the  IR ports good enough. I never tried to lift up
the palmtop (as described in this text) so I think that was the problem. I'm
used to work with IR ports that work form at least 20cm and don't really
care that much (eg a laptop/phone-connection which works perfectly!)

Niels

[n]
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: HP200/700lx and HP48g


The following works on my SS 200LX and 48G. Got this from HP's site.

===================IR between 200LX and 48G=================

[big snip]

NOTE: Make sure that the IR ports on both units are lined up. You will have
to raise the Palmtop approximately 1/4 inch to make a connection with the HP
48.

[big snip]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wee-Meng LEE" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)


> Now, I don't think RPN is so commonly used other than in the
> financial/accounting circle because of the HP12C.  It was(is?)
the
> most popular financial calculator around.  Lots of rich investors
> today grew up on those and lots of books were written on it.  So
I'm
> guessing if u want to convince them, u got to show your
calculations
> on the 12C :)  Many books, such as real estate, loans, cash flow,
were
> written to teach people how to analyse big ticket items.  Those
books
> used HP12C as the tool.

Reading calculator newsgroups over the years I've read a number of
times that a lot of engineers use the HP48.  They also say that
mathemeticians tend to prefer TI's.  I didn't usually understand
the reasons given.  I haven't had much math.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:49:29 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)


> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:43:05 -0500 Theodore Heise wrote:
> >I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love my 11C.
>
> My old 41C had the best user interface of any calculator I've
ever
> used. The keys were laid out right, it took just the right amount
of
> pressure to press them, everything.
>
> But I got 12C's for me and my wife in 1986. We still actively use
> them, even though the keys take *way* too much pressure to click.
But
> the amazing thing is that both of our 12C's, 16 years old, are on
> their original set of batteries.

I've never known why but I've had more devices go bad when the
batteries last nearly forever and then finally go out, or I finally
change them anyway, than in any other way.  That's happened with
watches and calculators and pocket computers and remote controls.

I guess after 14 years it could be tough to decide whether to leave
the batteries in and hope for the best, or take them out and risk
losing the device at that point.

I'm not trying to say you'll have that problem.  Maybe HP products
are enough better they can deal with that.  But I finally learned
not to take a chance on that.  I change batteries once every year
or two regardless.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:56 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)


Wee-Meng LEE wrote:
> Most modern day calculators have a finite level of
> () it supports.  RPN doesn't have that limit.

> It does. The limit for a certain machine of one kind
> may of higher or lower than that of an individual
> one of the other, but just try doing
>   
> . and you will get a "stack overflow" some time. IIRC
> the depth is not higher than the nine parnthesis limit
> typical of current calculators.

That's a memory limitation.  If you can only have 9 levels of
parentheses, that's just to simplify the programming of the
firmware.  It can be done in such a way to make it unlimited but
then the memory limitations will come into play at some point.

> I myself would never use more than two.

If you were using RPN you would probably never consider limiting
yourself this way.  It's not smart in RPN to try to keep track of
too many stack levels for any one function, but that's more a
programming issue than a calculating issue.

With RPN you often don't know or care how many levels you're using
on the stack as long as you don't have to remember at any given
time what all of them are.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:08:40 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: OT: calculator preferences (bring back the 15c)


> Stefan Peichl wrote:
> > and
> > it turned out to be much simpler to program in RPN mode than in
> > algebraic mode.
>
> Exactly! And at the prices you charge I'm prepared to accept
that. But
> when someone charges money for a calculator I want him to do the
work
> for me and not the other way round.

Programmability is the result of MORE work by the firmware
programmers to give you added flexibility.  They can't possibly
know everything you might want to do.  So they spend extra time
designing ways for you to combine their work in new ways to do new
things with it.

You don't get less functionality built in with a programmability.
You get  more.

Think of Lotus 123.  It has practically everything built in.  But
those who learn how (and even some who don't) find a lot more power
with macros.

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I have 3-200lx's in use and 1 as a hardware test bed.
Unit        ROM ver        SN          Batt Life
1 DS 6MB    How do I       SG32600524  12-15 hrs w/ 220MB PC card 1800mAh
NiMH
1 SS 2MB    determine      SG54400774  51-56 hrs no pc card, 1600mAh Radio
Shack NiMH                                                         1 SS 6MB
the ROM Ver?   SG63100256  52-55 hrs no pc card, 1600mAh Radio Shack NiMH
1 SS 2MB(test bed)         SG55001256  N/A
+ many others 100lx & 200lx in pieces

I Have 4 CF cards and 2 PCMCIA Cards

Sandisk              Simple Tech       HP (by Sundisk)     A-1 Flash
1-160MB CF Ty II     1-48MB CF Ty I    1-5MB PCMCIA Ty I   1-256MB CF Ty I
1-160MB CF Ty I
1-220MB PCMCIA Ty I

All Cards work in All units with NO driver. I use fastdb, buddy, batset,
battlog.

I have a NEX II MP3 Player as well as a Jornada 548. the CF Ty 1 cards all
work on these as well. The TyII CF also works on the NEX II.

I also have an Omnigo 100 that I have not played with. It came with a 4MB
SRAM card.
BTW, it was working when I first got it (no books), but now I insert
Batts(no Backup), press the reset button and it goes to the OMNIGO screen
and will not respond to keys. Any Ideas?

Battery test is a constant run from a full charge (~20hrs on SS units, 4hr
on DS unit) using Buddy to turn off light sleep. I have an order in with
Mac for 2 DS crystals and 1 6MB upgrade. I will be testing these the same
way as 2MB and 6MB DS machines.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:33:05 -0400
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Joe,
To see ROM version reboot with CTL-ALT-DEL and watch the screen.
Is your DS 6MB 200lx really SG326....
bob

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From: "Joseph Buford"

> I have 3-200lx's in use and 1 as a hardware test bed.

> 1 DS 6MB    How do I       SG32600524  12-15 hrs w/ 220MB PC card 1800mAh
> NiMH
> 1 SS 2MB    determine      SG54400774  51-56 hrs no pc card, 1600mAh Radio
> Shack NiMH                                                         1 SS
6MB
> the ROM Ver?

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Previously sent, may have bounced.

I have 3-200lx's in use and 1 as a hardware test bed.
Unit       ROM ver      SN          Batt Life
1 DS 6MB   How do I     SG32600524  12-15 hrs 220MB PCMCIA, 1800mAh
1 SS 2MB   determine    SG54400774  51-56 hrs no card, 1600mAh
1 SS 6MB   the ROM Ver? SG63100256  52-55 hrs no card, 1600mAh
1 SS 2MB(test bed)      SG55001256  N/A
+ many others 100lx & 200lx in pieces

I Have 4 CF cards and 2 PCMCIA Cards

Sandisk             Simple Tech      HP (by Sundisk)     A-1 Flash
1-160MB CF Ty II    1-48MB CF Ty I   1-5MB PCMCIA Ty I   1-256MB CF Ty I
1-160MB CF Ty I
1-220MB PCMCIA Ty I

All Cards work in All units with NO driver. I use fastdb, buddy, batset,
battlog.

I have a NEX II MP3 Player as well as a Jornada 548. the CF Ty 1 cards all
work on these as well. The TyII CF also works on the NEX II.

I also have an Omnigo 100 that I have not played with. It came with a 4MB
SRAM card.
>BTW, it was working when I first got it (no books), but now I insert
Batts(no Backup), press >the reset button and it goes to the OMNIGO screen
and will not respond to keys. Any Ideas?
Never Mind... the 4MB SRAM card that came with it was killing it!

200lx battery test is a constant run from a full charge (~20hrs on SS
units, 4hr on DS unit) using Buddy to turn off light sleep. Also I have an
order in with Mac for 2 DS crystals and 1 6MB upgrade. I will be testing
these the same way after upgrade.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:02:35 -0700
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Thanks Bob. Hadn't thought of that.
>Is your DS 6MB 200lx really SG326....
yes. It is a 100lx case :-)
Don't know which of my 200lx's the motherboard came from :-) and no SN on
the MB.

 Corrected/
Unit       ROM ver      SN          Batt Life
1 DS 6MB   1.02A        SG32600524  12-15 hrs 220MB PCMCIA, 1800mAh
1 SS 2MB   1.02A        SG54400774  51-56 hrs no card, 1600mAh
1 SS 6MB   1.02A        SG63100256  52-55 hrs no card, 1600mAh
1 SS 2MB(test bed)      SG55001256  N/A

Joe







"Bob Penick"  on 08/23/2002 08:33:05 AM

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cc:

Subject:  Re:      Flashcard and Batt life


Joe,
To see ROM version reboot with CTL-ALT-DEL and watch the screen.
Is your DS 6MB 200lx really SG326....
bob

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From: "Joseph Buford"

> I have 3-200lx's in use and 1 as a hardware test bed.

> 1 DS 6MB    How do I       SG32600524  12-15 hrs w/ 220MB PC card 1800mAh
> NiMH
> 1 SS 2MB    determine      SG54400774  51-56 hrs no pc card, 1600mAh
Radio
> Shack NiMH                                                         1 SS
6MB
> the ROM Ver?

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:23:27 +0200
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Hello,

does anybody know of a downloadable version of the 95lx manual?

TIA,
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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:31:09 +0200
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Barry wrote:
> With RPN you often don't know or care how many levels you're using
> on the stack as long as you don't have to remember at any given
> time what all of them are.

As I said, it's not that - the more I type the higher the probability of
at least one mistake. And the more involved the calculation the less am
I prone to notice the result being wrong.

> Programmability is the result of MORE work by the firmware
> programmers to give you added flexibility.

True, but not the issue here. Stefan said a calculator programmed by him
to be used by me was easier done (for him) with RPN. A good reason for
his choice, but if I were to buy a calculator and pay for it my attitude
would rather be "I don't care how much effort this is for you, I'm the
customer and i want what is perfact and most useable for me." I am
accustomed to write equations down on paper and the less effort it takes
to convert that into calculator entry the better. Funny enaugh
considering your other comment I am an engineer and failed statistical
physics three times (four next autumn :-) due to being extremely bad at
maths.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:53:52 +0200
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> Funny enaugh
> considering your other comment I am an engineer and failed statistical
> physics three times (four next autumn :-) due to being extremely bad at
> maths.

Or are you just playing with your HP? (just like me) :-)

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> True, but not the issue here. Stefan said a calculator programmed
by him
> to be used by me was easier done (for him) with RPN. A good
reason for
> his choice, but if I were to buy a calculator and pay for it my
attitude
> would rather be "I don't care how much effort this is for you,
I'm the
> customer and i want what is perfact and most useable for me." I
am
> accustomed to write equations down on paper and the less effort
it takes
> to convert that into calculator entry the better.

That's commonly said about RPN but in a discussion about this on an
HP48 newsgroup someone said that he thought that the difference is
that algebraic entry looks more like what you see on paper but that
RPN is more like you think math in your head.  I've played with
that idea for a few years and I guess I'm not totally convinced but
I do see what he's getting at.

The problem with RPN is that it's hard to sell.  It looks
counter-intuitive.  Algebraic entry does look like what we write
down.  RPN looks alien till you're accustomed to it.  But very few
people I've ever talked with who are comfortable with both prefer
algebraic entry.

There are some who do.  They're obviously good with RPN but they
still prefer not to use it.  But they seem to be a little bit rare.

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Barry wrote:
> When you think we're too far off topic, speak up.

I did; it fell on deaf ears.

> For a while   People get caught up in things and need a reminder
> from time to time.

I agree.  I don't mind a FLUFF or OT post now and then and even
make them myself.  I don't even mind a reply to them if
necessary.  What I object to is when they turn into long
threads, especially when they contain arguments (like the
reoccurring 'quoting', 'abandonware', and 'copyright' threads
often do).

Since this post is also OT I hope it ends now (and isn't needed
anymore in the future).

Cheers... Russ

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> > Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM is
>
> One advantage, most RPN users don't think about is the ease of
> programming of a calculater.
>
> My LXPRO TSR program has a calculator built in (F4 hotkey) and

I am impressed Stefan, I didn't realize LXPRO also had a
calculator; great LX tool!

Daniel, the reason for RPN is it's *Better*.  The reason
Algebraic seems natural is because math equations are often
written as one line like:  1234 x 5678 = ?
So it seems natural to also enter the problem into a calculator
in that order.  However, if you had to work out the problem by
hand you'd start with something like:

 1234
x5678
-----
    ?

This is more like RPN if you can visualize the 1234 in the Y
register and the 5678 in the X.

It is the early years in school when we are young that 1 + 2 = 3
starts looking like the correct order of commands.

Another advantage of RPN is the intermediate values in a complex
equation are available.  In algebraic those values remain
trapped within uncompleted "()" processing.

I miss my HP-25... :-(

BTW, here's a nice full function Java, browser based RPN
calculator:  http://www.cohort.com/CoCalc.html
             http://www.cohort.com/CoCalc2.html

CoCalc2 is identical except bigger a font.

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John,
Well, since by your sig you live in the USA I don't believe you could use the
9110 anyway because AFAIK it is GSM 900 and the USA uses a different frequency
(GSM 1800) (which is why folks in the USA had to wait a year for the 9290 to
come out after the Europeans already had their Communicators...)And I'm not
sure why they make the 9290 US only, so that it won't be of any use when
travelling around the rest of the world!
Suresh
P.S. I wrote that those ARE actual screen shots and they are... As to the
speed, it's fast enough for the apps I'm using - Notetaker, Database, MM/LX,
Phone app, VR, etc.

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Subject: Re: The 486 based 9110 Communicator that offers access to DOS
The 9220 Communicator's XT emulator is interesting, but I don't really
consider the 9220 Communicator as a adequate replacement for the HP200LX
since it's XT emulator runs DOS programs slower than a single speed
HP200LX..
I'm much more interested in the 9110 Communicator since it runs in real
DOS on an actual 486.  That should offer enough power and speed to
handle many of the DOS programs that the 186 based HP200LX simply
can't... and it even offers a backlite screen. :-)
The stickler is that there are a few "never started" projects to remove
most of the limitations, and they require the attention of some talented
programmers.

So, here is the big question in my mind:

Are there enough talented programmers on this mailing list who are
interested in the 9110 Communicator enough to fix those last remaining
glitches?

I'm looking forward to any and all replies. :-)

Cheers!

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My mistake - most GSM around the world is 900 or 1800, the USA is 1900. However, the point stays the same - I don't think you can use the 9110 in the USA and you can't use the 9290 outside the USA...
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My =
mistake - most GSM around the world is 900 or 1800, the USA is 1900. =
However, the point stays the same - I don't think you can use the 9110 =
in the USA and you can't use the 9290 outside the USA...



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Russ suggested:
>BTW, here's a nice full function Java, browser based RPN
>calculator:  http://www.cohort.com/CoCalc.html

Very cute but I'd like a simple RPN calculator that runs on it's own (no
browser)
Any recommendations for a WIN98 Thinkpad?

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Erwann,

> fn+e is already used on french HP200LX, to get the '=E8' character
> (&eagrave;). Is it possible to change this combination?

You could also use FN+T E to generate the =E8 character.

 \/
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Daniel,

> This card would be _the_ solution for people wanting to show
> presentations using the LX. The card would be the only possible...

I keep thinking that the simplest device to show presentations using the =
LX
is a cheap VGA Digital Camera using a Compact Flash card (canon Powershot,
Nikon Coolpix, etc...)

 1. Use a graphic application on the 200LX which can output the slides in =
JPG
 format (or a format compatible with the digital camera).
 2. Copy the JPG files on the CF card
 3. Insert the CF Card in the Digital Camera
 4. Plug the Video cable from the Camera to the projector
 5. Have the camera diplay the images.

While this should work, I never found a way to have a graphic application
output files in a format compatible with my Camera (Coolpix 950). (Powerpo=
int
can export a presenation in JPG or GIF format). Yet this should work. Any
advice why it doesn't ?


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Date:         Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:49:59 +0200
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> "Nirody, Suresh" wrote:
> I don't think you can use the 9110 in
> the USA and you can't use the 9290 outside the USA...

Ha, but I *can* use my 700 LX. I only plop in the 2190 (bought via eBay
from a nice Canada-based man) or the 2110 as required. Now if this hasn't
finally made me on-topic again, I wonder what would.

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Hi Andrew,

I'm using the HP Calc application from my spoilt Omnibook 530
on my Win98 laptop.

I don't know about the licensing issues.  Does anyone know if it
is released to the public yet?

But maybe u can buy any of the spoilt old Omnibook 300/425/430/
530/600 laptops on eBay for the license.  It also comes with a
Windows appointment book and phone book application that lets u
open up 200LX files directly.

Rgds
weemeng

>
> Russ suggested:
> >BTW, here's a nice full function Java, browser based RPN
> >calculator:  http://www.cohort.com/CoCalc.html
>
> Very cute but I'd like a simple RPN calculator that runs on it's own (no
> browser)
> Any recommendations for a WIN98 Thinkpad?
>
> --
> Andrew King
> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?
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> Russ suggested:
> >BTW, here's a nice full function Java, browser based RPN
> >calculator:  http://www.cohort.com/CoCalc.html
>
> Very cute but I'd like a simple RPN calculator that runs on it's
own (no
> browser)
> Any recommendations for a WIN98 Thinkpad?

I use Calc98, available free at www.calculator.org.  It's nice and
simple.  RPN is an option but it stays RPN once you set it.  The
problem is no visual stack but my uses of it are so simple it
doesnt matter.

It is a fairly powerful calculator but no programablity.

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Date:         Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:51:40 -0400
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On 24-08 06:33 EDT, you wrote:

> Erwann,
>=20
>> fn+e is already used on french HP200LX, to get the '=E8' character
>> (&eagrave;). Is it possible to change this combination?
>=20
> You could also use FN+T E to generate the =E8 character.

I didn't know about this combination, thanks. Anyway, I think it won't
work with the font replacement we're talking about, as the '=E8' characte=
r
is changed to the Euro sign, so typing Fn+e or Fn+T e will result in the
insertion of the Euro sign.

That's why I think replacing the '=E8' to Euro is a Bad Thing (tm) ;)

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On 23-08 09:44 EDT, you wrote:

> I will upload his modified helv200 helvetica font soon onto
> SUPER. Works perfectly and is available for codepages 850 and 437, two
> different versions.

Since the modified font doesn't conform anymore to CP437 or CP850, what
about creating a real ISO-8859-15 font, and adding the correct codepage?

> But so far I have not succeeded exchanging a document between DOS and
> Linux and preserving the Euro symbol.
> I have use Alt-Menu-213 to enter the symol, the new helvetica font by
> Michael, this one for codepage 437, since my palmtop uses that codepage
> (German version) displaed it as Euro sign, but loading it into a Linux
> editor which is configured to use the standard ISO-8859-15, which has
> the Euro sign built-in, shows siomething strange at the position of the
> Euro symbol.

213 is not the position of the EUR symbol in the ISO-8859-15 charset. In
this charset, the position of the EUR symbol is the 164 in decimal, or
0xa4 in hex.

213 in ISO-8859-15 is a capital O with a tilde on it (~O).

I have ported the GNU libiconv onto the HP200LX. The GNU libiconv is a
library used to perform charsets conversions. The HP200 version is a
stripped down one, where I removed the Thai, Korean, Chinese, Vietnam,
Japanese, Greek, Celtic, Russian, and other strange alphabets. I removed
all these charsets to reduce the size. Finally, the version I use can
convert from/to the following charsets:

-----
ANSI_X3.4-1968 ANSI_X3.4-1986 ASCII CP367 IBM367 ISO-IR-6 ISO646-US ISO_646.IRV:1991 US US-ASCII CSASCII
UTF-8
ISO-10646-UCS-2 UCS-2 CSUNICODE
UCS-2BE UNICODE-1-1 UNICODEBIG CSUNICODE11
UCS-2LE UNICODELITTLE
ISO-10646-UCS-4 UCS-4 CSUCS4
UCS-4BE
UCS-4LE
UTF-16
UTF-16BE
UTF-16LE
UTF-32
UTF-32BE
UTF-32LE
UNICODE-1-1-UTF-7 UTF-7 CSUNICODE11UTF7
UCS-2-INTERNAL
UCS-2-SWAPPED
UCS-4-INTERNAL
UCS-4-SWAPPED
CP819 IBM819 ISO-8859-1 ISO-IR-100 ISO_8859-1 ISO_8859-1:1987 L1 LATIN1 CSISOLATIN1
ISO-8859-2 ISO-IR-101 ISO_8859-2 ISO_8859-2:1987 L2 LATIN2 CSISOLATIN2
ISO-8859-3 ISO-IR-109 ISO_8859-3 ISO_8859-3:1988 L3 LATIN3 CSISOLATIN3
ISO-8859-4 ISO-IR-110 ISO_8859-4 ISO_8859-4:1988 L4 LATIN4 CSISOLATIN4
ISO-8859-9 ISO-IR-148 ISO_8859-9 ISO_8859-9:1989 L5 LATIN5 CSISOLATIN5
ISO-8859-10 ISO-IR-157 ISO_8859-10 ISO_8859-10:1992 L6 LATIN6 CSISOLATIN6
ISO-8859-13 ISO-IR-179 ISO_8859-13 L7 LATIN7
ISO-8859-15 ISO-IR-203 ISO_8859-15 ISO_8859-15:1998
ISO-8859-16 ISO-IR-226 ISO_8859-16 ISO_8859-16:2000
CP1250 MS-EE WINDOWS-1250
CP1252 MS-ANSI WINDOWS-1252
CP1257 WINBALTRIM WINDOWS-1257
CP1258 WINDOWS-1258
850 CP850 IBM850 CSPC850MULTILINGUAL
437 CP437 IBM437 CSPC8CODEPAGE437
CP775 IBM775 CSPC775BALTIC
852 CP852 IBM852 CSPCP852
CP853
857 CP857 IBM857 CSIBM857
CP858
860 CP860 IBM860 CSIBM860
861 CP-IS CP861 IBM861 CSIBM861
863 CP863 IBM863 CSIBM863
865 CP865 IBM865 CSIBM865
-----

Each line is a different charset, with all the known alias names for it.

GNU libiconv can also perform some transliteration, for example
translating the 164 and 213 characters of ISO-8859-15 into 'EUR' and
'~O' characters in CP437 where those characters don't exist. It's better
than ignoring the character.

There's also a command line tool to convert a file.

This stripped down version adds less than 20kbytes of code and 32kbytes of
static data. It is still possible to create a less-stripped-down
version, but one needs to have access to a recent gperf version (I use
my Linux version, and then compile the rest on my HP200).

As soon as I get back home (I'm on vacation right now), I'll send it to
Daniel.

I did it mainly to enhance the cc:lxpop program, which I use to
read/write my favorite newsgroups. With this version of libiconv,
cclxpop is still a small memory model program.

I also ported other GNU software, such as GNU bc&dc, and GNU indent (I'm
still working on this one to remove arbitrary limitations).

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Hi Suresh,

>Well, since by your sig you live in the USA I don't believe you could
use the
>9110 anyway because AFAIK it is GSM 900 and the USA uses a different
frequency
>(GSM 1800) (which is why folks in the USA had to wait a year for the
9290 to
>come out after the Europeans already had their Communicators...)And I'm
not
>sure why they make the 9290 US only, so that it won't be of any use when
>travelling around the rest of the world!
>Suresh

Not being able to use the phone part doesn't matter to me in the least
bit.  My interest doesn't lie in the phone part at all.  My only interest
in the 9110 Communicator is in it's ability to run DOS programs as a 486
based computer.

I use many DOS programs every day, but the one that I use the most and is
the most important to me is a very unique Personal Information Manager
that my HP200LX simply can't handle.  It's something like Flexpad except
it's built around a calendar, so it's much more intuitive and easier to
use. (Some have said that it's ugly.  All I can say is that it's so
powerful and unique that I couldn't possibly get along without it.)

If I could find a handheld computer that will run that particular DOS
program too, I could carry all of my most important apps in my pocket
where ever I go.

The 9110 Communicator is less expensive than an HP200LX, sports a CPU
with enough power to handle my most important DOS program, and it's
smaller, making it easier to carry than the HP200LX.

It appears that the remaining glitches could be eliminated, so I see a
lot of promise in the 9110 as a HP200LX replacement for me.

The 9220 is interesting, but it's emulator simply couldn't handle my DOS
based Personal Information Manager.

>P.S. I wrote that those ARE actual screen shots and they are... As to
the
>speed, it's fast enough for the apps I'm using - Notetaker, Database,
MM/LX,
>Phone app, VR, etc.

I believe that you are mistaking me for someone else.  I have expressed
no doubts whatsoever that they were actual screen shots and that the 9110
runs those particular apps very well.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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But You can do it - upload the jpg pix to cp950, but before You have to
add EXIF header to jpg pix, size and rename them upon the standard names
and sizes of CP950 pix (DCN......), and upload them into original folder
structure of the digicam.
Making EXIF header (almost every digiphoto editor destroys them) was
first possible with CAMEDIA MASTER, SW what comes with Olympus Cx0x0Z
digicams, and lot of CP950 owners could upload new, edited or pp made
pix to CP950 for slide show...
There was a discusion about that at steves-digicams forums or/and in
rec.photo.digital.Now I am told there are few editors what can add EXIF
headers to jpg pix...

Just try to google some of the terms, and if not, mail me to try to find
this in some of my references and dowloaded texts...
Regards, Zoran

Yves Leurquin wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> > This card would be _the_ solution for people wanting to show
> > presentations using the LX. The card would be the only possible...
>
> I keep thinking that the simplest device to show presentations using the LX
> is a cheap VGA Digital Camera using a Compact Flash card (canon Powershot,
> Nikon Coolpix, etc...)
>
>  1. Use a graphic application on the 200LX which can output the slides in JPG
>  format (or a format compatible with the digital camera).
>  2. Copy the JPG files on the CF card
>  3. Insert the CF Card in the Digital Camera
>  4. Plug the Video cable from the Camera to the projector
>  5. Have the camera diplay the images.
>
> While this should work, I never found a way to have a graphic application
> output files in a format compatible with my Camera (Coolpix 950). (Powerpoint
> can export a presenation in JPG or GIF format). Yet this should work. Any
> advice why it doesn't ?
>
>  \/
>  /ves
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Date:         Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:59 -0500
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Andrew asked about an RPN calculator for Win9x.

I like Excalibur at
http://5star.freeserve.com/Business/Calculators/excalibur.html
It's got a lot of functions and some programmability.

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Hello Daniel,

Thank you for gathering the information about flash cards, that will
be very useful to the community!

Here is my experience with flash cards:

 * EPSON Flash Card, ATA Series, 40mb FULL SIZED PC CARD Type II
Ref AD40155C007, ATA 412SD12, 1994

 * Simple Technology Flash Storage 160MB, Full Sized PC CARD Type I
STI-ATAFL/160, Digital Camera Approved, QC061298I077 06

 * CASIO Compact Flash CF-8 Compact Flash Type I
Made by Sandisk 1999 , SDCFB:

All 3 above work with all tested palmtops without drivers:
 - 200LX, Latest ROM version, Factory 2MB Single speed
 - 200LX, Latest ROM, Double Speed 5MB Times2Tech parts
 - 200Lx, Latest ROM, Double Speed 64MB Times2Tech

* The following card works only in the SINGLE SPEED palmtop, I could not
make it work in any of the double speed ones:

Kingston Technology, Compact Flash Storage Card, 128MB, High Speed
CF/128 9902366-001.A00 641603

I did not try it in the double speeds with the ACECARD driver, though.
I will do so and let you know.

Thank you again for your work. Best regards,

F. Ennesser
19, rue des Feuillantines
75005 Paris
Tel/Fax (33-1)4051-7580
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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:40:29 +0530
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hello suresh

wow ! a 486 based smaller than lx200 with DOS
how come this has not come to the notice of all
geniuses in the world .. just what anyone would
look for ..

i am .. for one .. looking for EXACTLY such a thing

how much does it cost ? new ?

..pradeep (pk, calcutta, india)

(i purchased an hplx700 with nokia 2110 just for
running dos on a 80186 .. i too use lots of dos programs)

> I use many DOS programs every day, but the one
> that I use the most and is
> the most important to me is a very unique Personal
> Information Manager
> that my HP200LX simply can't handle.  It's something like
> Flexpad except  it's built around a calendar, so it's
> much more intuitive and easier to
> use. (Some have said that it's ugly.  All I can say is
> that it's so
> powerful and unique that I couldn't possibly get along
without it.)
> If I could find a handheld computer that will run that
> particular DOS
> program too, I could carry all of my most important apps
> in my pocket
> where ever I go.
>
> The 9110 Communicator is less expensive than an HP200LX,
> sports a CPU
> with enough power to handle my most important DOS program,
> and it's
> smaller, making it easier to carry than the HP200LX.
>
> It appears that the remaining glitches could be
> eliminated, so I see a
> lot of promise in the 9110 as a HP200LX replacement for
> me.

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:20:06 +0100
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Hi,
    I've just pulled my HP Omnigo 700LX out to use after one of my friend=
s
found a Nokia 2110i at a computer market. Now I've given the NiMH batteri=
es
a quick charge, it seems OK. Problem is, I'm out of disk space on the 1.3=
MB
RAM drive. Sooo... Has anyone here tried using a DabsValue or Crucial
Technology CompactFlash card (both available from www.dabs.com ) in a HP =
LX?
Anyone tried using the Dabs.com "Generic" CF->PCMCIA adapter?
    Alternatively, are the =A39.99 CF cards from www.jungle.com any good?

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:23:30 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Pemberton" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:20 AM
Subject: TECH: CF cards in 700LX


>    I've just pulled my HP Omnigo 700LX out to use after one of my
friends
> found a Nokia 2110i at a computer market. Now I've given the NiMH
batteries
> a quick charge, it seems OK. Problem is, I'm out of disk space on
the 1.3MB
> RAM drive. Sooo... Has anyone here tried using a DabsValue or
Crucial
> Technology CompactFlash card (both available from www.dabs.com )
in a HP LX?
> Anyone tried using the Dabs.com "Generic" CF->PCMCIA adapter?
>    Alternatively, are the #9.99 CF cards from www.jungle.com any
good?

I just looked and they're made by Memorex.  I've wasted enough
money on Memorex products over the years.  I'll do without before I
buy anything from them again.

In the 60's and 70's Memorex was known for very high quality
products.  They were the major supplier of computer tapes.  They
were the most expsensive but they were the most reliable so most
people used them most of the time.

Then Radio Shack bought Memorex.  Quality control is against Radio
Shack's religion and they quickly got rid of that evil at Memorex.
They're no longer owned by Radio Shack but they've earned their
reputation for "cheap" and I doubt they'll ever get rid of it.
They know that so they just go with it.

Want to save money?  Buy Memorex.  Want to avoid wasting money?
Buy something else.

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:02:30 -0700
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Speaking of programs that one can't do without... does anyone know
of a program that organizes information in a similar format to
TreePad?  (I don't use the graphics capability at all.)

www.treepad.com

I keep TreePad open all day at work and copy/paste various bits of
information into it.  The program does export to html, so I can
take an .hjt file with me if I need to view it in Dos, but it would
be great if I could find a similar program that would run on the
LX.

Sadly, I'm even considering buying another pocketpc to run a
compatible program wtih it.

Thanks,

Terry

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:11:41 -0700
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My favorite RPN calculator by far is a freeware MS-DOS one written
"specifically" for the 200LX (but runs just fine under Windows - even Win2K)
called TN-CALC.  I also use it as my Windows calculator.  You can download it
at:
ftp://entropy.brni-jhu.org/pub/dos/tncalc.zip

It is done in the style of the HP11/15c calculators.  Very simple to use.
Since I don't use the Solver or other special HPCALC functions, I actually use
TN-CALC as my main 200LX calculator as well.

Cheers.
J. P. Grenert
grenert@yahoo.com


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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:16:07 +0200
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I'm finally getting tired of using a Lotus lookalike in my Atari
emulator with incompatible file format, even if it is nice and I do have
a format converter. I neither want the current Windows not the last DOS
version (4?, 5?) with all the kiddy pictures but a nice tight
straightforward and fast DOs version. Has anyone got an idea - or even
an offer - where to find one?

Danke
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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:30:42 -0700
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I am looking at purchasing a SanDisk 256MB CF card for my digital camera,
but it could just as easily end up being used with my 200LX 5MB Double Speed
palmtop.
 Mfr. Part Number is SDCBF-256-768

Anyone had success with this card in their LX?

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:34:27 +0200
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hello Axel,

I might have a copy, but if so, it is in France (where I have a (very very)
old XT and lotsa software for it) so the soonest I can check is the next
hollydays, somewhere end october. I'm pretty sure it was installed on that
particular machine and that the original floppies might be there too. If you
did not find a copy by then, please repeat your question and i'll be glad to
look for you, though I can't promise you a byte.


Niels

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Subject: Lotus 1-2-3 Version 2 or 3


> I'm finally getting tired of using a Lotus lookalike in my Atari
> emulator with incompatible file format, even if it is nice and I do have
> a format converter. I neither want the current Windows not the last DOS
> version (4?, 5?) with all the kiddy pictures but a nice tight
> straightforward and fast DOs version. Has anyone got an idea - or even
> an offer - where to find one?
>
> Danke
>         Axel
>
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Barry wrote:
> I just looked and they're made by Memorex.  I've wasted enough
> money on Memorex products over the years.  I'll do without before I
> buy anything from them again.
[snip]
> Want to save money?  Buy Memorex.  Want to avoid wasting money?
> Buy something else.
I've just been given a Kodak "Digital Science" 8MB CompactFlash card. It
appears to have been made by SanDisk and is working great in my 700LX. I've
just put a DOS-based PPP dialler (DOSPPP v0.6) on it, along with Pegasus
Mail 3.22 and the rather overbloated SMTPOP v1.2 MTA. My palmtop is now
capable of sending and receiving mail on the move and I am once again happy
with the 700LX.
I'm also thinking of building some hardware add-ons for my LX - mostly
development tools. Microcontroller programmers and the like (I'm an
electronics hobbyist and very handy with a soldering iron).

Later.
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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:01:08 +0200
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Hi friends;

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Pemberton" 
Subject: Re: TECH: CF cards in 700LX


> I'm also thinking of building some hardware add-ons for my LX - mostly
> development tools. Microcontroller programmers and the like (I'm an
> electronics hobbyist and very handy with a soldering iron).

GREAT!!! I'm also.

Mainly, I want to use my JDMserial programmer with on my 2Mb HP200LX (where
I can compile progs but not program onto PIC itself).

If you do so, please, tell me!!

THANKS in advance

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:55:31 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Does SanDisk 256MB CF Work in 200LX?


> I am looking at purchasing a SanDisk 256MB CF card for my digital
camera,
> but it could just as easily end up being used with my 200LX 5MB
Double Speed
> palmtop.
>  Mfr. Part Number is SDCBF-256-768
>
> Anyone had success with this card in their LX?

I have a Sandisk 256 meg CF card that's number SDCBF but there are
no other numbers on back.

I haven't used it a lot in the LX.  I got it for my mp3 player.
But I have used it a number of times and it's been fine so far.  No
driver is needed on my single speed 2 meg 200lx with ROM 1.02a.

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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:12:26 -0700
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:16:07 +0200, Axel Berger wrote:
>Has anyone got an idea
>- or even an offer - where to find one?
>

There are several copies of Lotus 1-2-3 2.4 dos on Ebay
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Date:         Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:03:40 -0700
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One tool that all HP LX users absolutely have in common is Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS
2.4, and one way to extend and enhance this tool is thru 1-2-3 "addins", which
appear to be DLL-like runtime un/loadable modules conforming to a particular
API.

Has anyone tried creating addins for this ubiquitous tool?

Has anyone every stumbled across the Lotus "toolkit" which I believe is needed
to create such beasts?  Or documentation sufficient to enable development of
addins?

Just curious, as I've not noticed activity in this area.

Cheers,  Kevin



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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:28:15 +0200
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Hi Gary

01h29m ago Gary Jacek wrote:

> I am looking at purchasing a SanDisk 256MB CF card for my digital =
camera,
> but it could just as easily end up being used with my 200LX 5MB Double =
Speed
> palmtop.
>  Mfr. Part Number is SDCBF-256-768
>
> Anyone had success with this card in their LX?

See
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx/index.shtml#storage

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:29:57 +0200
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Le Dimanche 25 Ao{t 2002 23:01, Juan Belmonte Moreno a icrit :
> Hi friends;
> Mainly, I want to use my JDMserial programmer with on my 2Mb HP200LX (where
> I can compile progs but not program onto PIC itself).

http://freshmeat.net/projects/sctk

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:50:42 +0100
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Just for the curiosity:
Has anybody in this list any practical experience with a 36MHz speed
upgraded palmtop?


Radek

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:05:33 +0200
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Hello to all,

I recently acquired a 200 LX at eBay and after a lot of searching found
this list. This seems to be one of the last places really alive for this
great tool by HP... So stay healthy folks ;-)

But I've got a question that I couldn't find the answer for in the
archives:

I played around with Win30 a litte and recognized that the keyboard
layout is changed while running on my German LX. Is there a way to turn
it back to normal?

Thanks

Hanno

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:38:17 +0200
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Hi Hanno

22m ago Hanno H=3DFCther wrote:

> I recently acquired a 200 LX at eBay and after a lot of searching found
> this list. This seems to be one of the last places really alive for =
this
> great tool by HP... So stay healthy folks ;-)

We will. :-)
Welcome to the list, and congratulations that you have found the way to
the greatest tool on earth.

> I played around with Win30 a litte and recognized that the keyboard
> layout is changed while running on my German LX. Is there a way to turn
> it back to normal?

I had the same problem, and never found a way around it. So I cannot
help you here, sorry.

But I recommend the following web sites as a beginning, if you haven't
found them yet, for gereral info about the 200LX, Software, hardware
etc.:

www.palmtop.net (The S.U.P.E.R. archive contains LOTS of palmtop
software)
www.palmtoppaper.com (online palmtop magazine)
www.hplx.net
peichl.hplx.net (must-have software)
www.dasoft.com (many poweful freeware and commercial programs)
www.technoir.nu (There are for example the archives of this list,
including a search function)
and also my own homepage www.daniel-hertrich.de, which carries some
palmtop info and downloads.

Have fun!
daniel


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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:48:20 -0400
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   At one point I typed in the code to a small
calculator published in REMark magazine.  It was
given as an example of programming the 8087 in
assembly language.  It runs at the DOS prompt,
and accepts two numbers and one of five opera-
tions to give a result.  I still use it occa-
sionally for trivial calculations when editing
a file or creating a chart.  It needs EM87 on
the 200LX.  This is probably too simple to be
considered RPN, but could be a "learners"
version?

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:29:39 -0500
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Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:03 AM
Subject: TECH: Lotus 1-2-3 Addin Developer's Toolkit?


> One tool that all HP LX users absolutely have in common is Lotus
1-2-3 for DOS
> 2.4, and one way to extend and enhance this tool is thru 1-2-3
"addins", which
> appear to be DLL-like runtime un/loadable modules conforming to a
particular
> API.
>
> Has anyone tried creating addins for this ubiquitous tool?
>
> Has anyone every stumbled across the Lotus "toolkit" which I
believe is needed
> to create such beasts?  Or documentation sufficient to enable
development of
> addins?

I had the Lotus toolkit at one time.  I probably still do but
finding it might be a problem.  I'll look around for it a little
and see what I can come up with.  The documentation I had for it
was digital and fairly extensive and came with it so if I do still
have it I probably have the doc files as well.

I'm not sure this was specifically for the LX but it might have
been.  I think I got it from Compuserve's HPHAND download area.  I
never actually used it but I did look it over carefully.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:18:06 -0700
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Hi Barry,

--- Barry wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Goodwin"
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:03 AM

> > Has anyone tried creating addins for this ubiquitous tool?
> >
> > Has anyone every stumbled across the Lotus "toolkit" which I
> believe is needed
> > to create such beasts?  Or documentation sufficient to enable
> development of
> > addins?
>
> I had the Lotus toolkit at one time.  I probably still do but
> finding it might be a problem.  I'll look around for it a little
> and see what I can come up with.  The documentation I had for it
> was digital and fairly extensive and came with it so if I do still
> have it I probably have the doc files as well.
>
> I'm not sure this was specifically for the LX but it might have
> been.

My recollection is that Lotus produced a Addin Toolkit for 1-2-3 DOS (as a
separate, very-expensive-at-the-time product).  I distinctly recall seeing one
for 1-2-3 DOS 3.1, but did not buy because it didn't seem to offer downward
compatibility w/v2.x.  I've never seen or heard of a 2.x version, but the
existence of third-party 2.x addins (*.adn such as @base) implies it exists.

Since 1-2-3 addins seem not to be H/W platform dependent (ex: @base is not to
my knowledge specifical to the HP LX), I wouldn't expect a HPLX-specific addin
toolkit to be necessary.  Which _doesn't_ mean such _doesn't exist_.

If you or anyone else runs across anything like this, please let the HPLX list
know!

Thanks,  Kevin


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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:49:06 -0600
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Be careful getting used copies of 1-2-3, as it was copy protected and
allowed only a limited number of installs (2, IIRC) from the original disks.
Also IIRC, it could be uninstalled to recover an install ability, but if a
used copy for auction was not properly uninstalled, it might be useless to
the new user.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick West [mailto:patrickwest3@ATTBI.COM]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:12 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Lotus 1-2-3 Version 2 or 3


On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:16:07 +0200, Axel Berger wrote:
>Has anyone got an idea
>- or even an offer - where to find one?
>

There are several copies of Lotus 1-2-3 2.4 dos on Ebay
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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:53:17 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: TECH: Lotus 1-2-3 Addin Developer's Toolkit?


> My recollection is that Lotus produced a Addin Toolkit for 1-2-3
DOS (as a
> separate, very-expensive-at-the-time product).  I distinctly
recall seeing one
> for 1-2-3 DOS 3.1, but did not buy because it didn't seem to
offer downward
> compatibility w/v2.x.  I've never seen or heard of a 2.x version,
but the
> existence of third-party 2.x addins (*.adn such as @base) implies
it exists.
>
> Since 1-2-3 addins seem not to be H/W platform dependent (ex:
@base is not to
> my knowledge specifical to the HP LX), I wouldn't expect a
HPLX-specific addin
> toolkit to be necessary.  Which _doesn't_ mean such _doesn't
exist_.

I grew up with Lotus 2.0 and 2.1 and 2.2 and 2.4 on the LX.  2.0
was current when I first got into MS-Dos.

I'm not sure I got what I had from HPHAND.  The company I worked
for used some of the Lotus custom products and I was initially
hired to modify them.  I worked pretty closely with Lotus and took
courses from them and I might have gotten the package from them.

I do remember seeing a lot of information on accessing the
calculator from Lotus, and vice-versa.  I also remember a lot of
information about add-ins.  I'm not really sure those came from the
same package.  I probably haven't seen this for 8 or 10 years and
my memory fools me sometimes so don't trust anything I say about
it.  :)

I will look for it and see what I can find.  No promises.  I
recently did some searching for some old source and my archives
aren't as well organized as I remembered.  Meaning it's hard to
find anything in them.

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Look on your 200LX for the key labeled '123'.. ;^>=20

Seriously, tho, you may try this out. I'm not sure that it's legal. I =
think you should at least own a current copy of 1-2-3.

http://21ct.gooddays.org/lotus123.html




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> Subject: Lotus 1-2-3 Version 2 or 3
>=20
>=20
> I'm finally getting tired of using a Lotus lookalike in my Atari
> emulator with incompatible file format, even if it is nice and I do =
have
> a format converter. I neither want the current Windows not the last =
DOS
> version (4?, 5?) with all the kiddy pictures but a nice tight
> straightforward and fast DOs version. Has anyone got an idea - or even
> an offer - where to find one?
>=20
> Danke
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To perhaps allay some fears:

--- "Feldman, Robert"  wrote:
> Be careful getting used copies of 1-2-3, as it was copy protected and
> allowed only a limited number of installs (2, IIRC) from the original disks.
> Also IIRC, it could be uninstalled to recover an install ability, but if a
> used copy for auction was not properly uninstalled, it might be useless to
> the new user.

Coincidentally, last night I installed 1-2-3 DOS 2.4 from the original install
floppies onto my desktop PC.

I bought this used many years ago, and was concerned about this same issue.  It
turned out that the floppies _had_ been installed before I bought it, but in
the case of 2.4 this seems only to mean that the floppies were "branded" during
first install..

This is probably the third/fourth time I have done installed from the original
floppies, and there has never been a serial number/licensing issue.

I have no doubt that on versions of 1-2-3 prior to 2.4 that there were
draconian measures taken that made installs a PITA and uninstalls (vs. del *.*)
mandatory.  But my experience is that this isn't true on 2.4.

BTW, the install program hangs (on Win2000) when you tell it to install on a
hard disk drive letter having vast (by 1992 standards) amounts of free space.
I ended up having to install directly to a comparatively tiny 64M CF card in
order to avoid the hang.

HTH,  Kevin

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Concerning problem solving...

RPN: You have to think about where you are at, requires more
thinking.
Algebraic: You have to see where you are at, requires less
thinking.

With RPN, you have to think about a logical approach to the
problem; with algebraic, you have to count parentheses.

Before hand calculators included matrix functions, I wrote a
program for the HP41 to solve a system of linear and
nonlinear equations, the order being limited to available
memory. Only R00 held the order and was used as a counter.
The stack was the heart of numeric manipulations. All other
registers were used for coefficients or nonlinear data. RPN
allowed very efficient use of limited memory. The program is
still in the HP41 User's Library if it still exists.

With infinite memory, accuracy is probably the only criteria
regardless of the method.

Bob

Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> Hi Ted
>
> 08h48m ago Theodore Heise wrote:
>
> > One other advantage of the 11C (as most HPs) is the RPN.  My kids
> > and wife will not touch the thing because of it, and therefore I
> > always know where it is.  
>
> Is this the only advantage of RPN? I have not yet understood why RPM is
> still used so commonly, I always thought it is obsolete. But there must
> be some advantage. Which?
>
> Thanks
> daniel
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I have a 700LX that I use with a Nokia 2190. It no longer recognizes that
the phone is docked. I have pulled the bottom off, and the PC card is
firmly seated, but beyond that, I have not done any troubleshooting.

Any ideas on how to further troublehoot this?

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The retail version works fine in my 200LX 4MB single speed.

Bob

Gary Jacek wrote:
>
> I am looking at purchasing a SanDisk 256MB CF card for my digital camera,
> but it could just as easily end up being used with my 200LX 5MB Double Speed
> palmtop.
>  Mfr. Part Number is SDCBF-256-768
>
> Anyone had success with this card in their LX?
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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:13:23 -0600
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I think v2.2 is the last version without picture menus,
where "Allways" was an ad-in.

Bob

Axel Berger wrote:
>
> I'm finally getting tired of using a Lotus lookalike in my Atari
> emulator with incompatible file format, even if it is nice and I do have
> a format converter. I neither want the current Windows not the last DOS
> version (4?, 5?) with all the kiddy pictures but a nice tight
> straightforward and fast DOs version. Has anyone got an idea - or even
> an offer - where to find one?
>
> Danke
>         Axel
>
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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:25:49 -0600
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For auction on eBay: Expert Home Design CAD Software for DOS

At:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2049148447

Works fine on the 200LX and Omnibooks.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:26:18 +1200
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Terry wrote:
>Speaking of programs that one can't do without... does
>anyone know of a program that organizes information in
>a similar format to TreePad?  (I don't use the graphics
>capability at all.)
TreePad is rather nice, but very "Windows".
On the LX, MindMap is probably the closest product. You
can download an old version free from www.dasoft.com to
see if you like it. There is also FlexPad, which is
supposed to be a sort of appointment/ToDo PIM, but I
understand some LX users use it for TreePad type purposes.
You can get it free from SUPER:
 http://www.palmtop.net/super.html
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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:52:52 +0200
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Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:
> I think you should at least own a current copy of 1-2-3.

My sentiments entirely. After Patrick's suggestion I had a look at
ebay.de (I have bought from the US before, but most sellers clearly say,
they won't send abroad and even if they are willing it is more hassle
than is worth for this). I only found version '97 for Win98, but I have
bid on that and will probably get it. After that I may going to answer
some of the private offers I had, I won't name names due to the
questionable legality, but thanks all of you all the same. I have looked
at your link and will see how far that takes me.

Thanks for all the help. I wonder if the people paying firms a monthly
fee for support are treated as well as we here are by each other.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:13 +0200
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Jim Westley wrote:
> 700LX that I use with a Nokia 2190. It no longer recognizes that
> the phone is docked.

The thing to do first is switch phones, internal cards and 700s to see
which component is the dogy one. I am equipped to do that here, but very
far away from you, so I suppose you'll have better offers. How easy is
it to find 2190 nowadays? I had my first 2110 break down not due to a
definite fault but aging and degradation of the HF circuit so it may be
wise to store backups. I am set up quite well 2110-wise but have only
got a single 2190 so far.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:14:56 -0500
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Hi Hanno (or, "Howdy" from Texas) ...

Welcome to the list!

I don't know about the German KB; but the resources Daniel recommended
should get you going to the point where you may not want any Windows
programs on your LX .

If you haven't checked out Super Software Carousel, see the Thaddeus site:

http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/super1.htm

[(I just saw that they quoted me; so I'm famous ). Hal, if you're
listening, "Tim" is fine for the attribute...]

Daniel's link to the palmtop paper can get you to another screen for buying
either regular or Super Software Carousel, if you're into Windows for Task
Switching... It's not exactly the same, but it's very nice on the palmtop
(I'm guessing, since you squeezed Win 3.0 onto it, that this is an upgraded
palmtop? Or, can one run it on an unmodified machine?).

Enjoy the list and your LX!

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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:08 -0700
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:52:52 +0200, Axel Berger wrote:
>Eduardo Fake-O Name-O wrote:
>>I think you should at least own a current copy of 1-2-3.
>
>My sentiments entirely. After Patrick's suggestion I had a look=
 at
>ebay.de

Version 2.2



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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:05:22 -0600
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Sorry, but this item is already sold.

Richard and Patti Smith wrote:

> For auction on eBay: Expert Home Design CAD Software for DOS
>
> At:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2049148447
>
> Works fine on the 200LX and Omnibooks.
>
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Date:         Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:33:39 -0500
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:45:59 -0400 Andrew wrote:
>Very cute but I'd like a simple RPN calculator that runs on it's own (no
>browser)
>Any recommendations for a WIN98 Thinkpad?

I wrote a simple RPN calculator for windows several years ago. It has
a visible 4-place stack. You can download it from
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/cccalc.exe .

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Hi Hanno (or, "Howdy" from Texas) ...

Welcome to the list!

  Thanks for the warm welcome, all of you!

If you haven't checked out Super Software Carousel, see the Thaddeus
site:
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/super1.htm

  I'm sure Software Carousel is a great thing, but it's quite expensive
also... 50$... Add 20 more and that's the price i got my palmtop for. I
may still consider buying it, but that'll be some time from now...

Daniel's link to the palmtop paper can get you to another screen for
buying
either regular or Super Software Carousel, if you're into Windows for
Task
Switching... It's not exactly the same, but it's very nice on the
palmtop
(I'm guessing, since you squeezed Win 3.0 onto it, that this is an
upgraded
palmtop? Or, can one run it on an unmodified machine?).

  No, it's not upgraded, neither speed nor memory, but i plugged a
Sandisk 128 MB in and installed Win3.0 there.

Enjoy the list and your LX!

Thanks!

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:15:21 +0200
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Hi Hanno

02h40m ago Hanno H=3DFCther wrote:

> Hi Hanno (or, "Howdy" from Texas) ...
>
> Welcome to the list!
>
>   Thanks for the warm welcome, all of you!


it would be good if you could let your mail program mark the quoted
lines, so it is easier to read for us (i.e. to distinguish between
quoted lines and lines written by you).

>   I'm sure Software Carousel is a great thing, but it's quite expensive
> also... 50$... Add 20 more and that's the price i got my palmtop for. I
> may still consider buying it, but that'll be some time from now...

It is definitely worth the money, at least for me. You can really have
12 virtual palmtops in one, of course this needs storage space for the
swap file, and if you don't have so much internal RAM, you can even use
the Sandisk CF card for swapping. This is much slower than with
internal memory (about 6 seconds per work area swtiching, compared to
1-2 seconds when using EMS in the internal memory), but it is still
much more convenient, than saving your work, quitting one application,
fire up another application and loading a file there.

>   No, it's not upgraded, neither speed nor memory, but i plugged a
> Sandisk 128 MB in and installed Win3.0 there.

How much internal memory does your one have?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:24:52 +1200
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 04h45m ago, on 2002-08-27, Hanno H=FCther wrote:=09=09

> No, it's not upgraded, neither speed nor memory, but i
> plugged a Sandisk 128 MB in and installed Win3.0 there.

Hanno, if you haven't already got it, you'll want SLEEPON.ZIP
from Stefan Peichl's page - it's a must_have for Win3.0 on the
palmtop.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:28:30 -0400
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Simple he calls it!  It has about as many modes as the HPCalc app.

Is there a help file or documentation for it somewhere?

Alan Striegel

>From: Curtis Cameron [mailto:cc@CCDOMINOES.COM]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:34 AM
>
>I wrote a simple RPN calculator for windows several years ago. It has
>a visible 4-place stack. You can download it from
>http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/cccalc.exe .

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hi,

today I wanted to see a map from mapblast via findu.com, and got this
message:

Sometime around 0330 UTC on August 27, 2002, MapBlast switched to
using encoded URL's, denying outside applications (like findU) the
use of their maps. Currently I do not have time to work on a
replacement, I will do so as time permits


This means, that also Lxmapblast will not work anymore.
What a pity.

Werner :-(


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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:29:59 -0700
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Flexpad seems like a great program but a little long on the
learning curve.  :-)

I work in Windows NT all day on the job and have Win98 at home, so
TreePad's format doesn't bother me.  It is fast and simple and does
what it does very well.  Since the structure is ascii-tagged, it
seems like it would be possible for someone to create some sort of
native Dos viewer, but it's not going to be me.    There is a
Linux program that reads the files, though, and since I have a
feeling I'm going to end up there eventually, maybe that will do.

Terry

>>From: "Roger Whitmarsh" 
>>Subject: Re: Dos equivalent of TreePad?
>>
>>Terry wrote:
>>>Speaking of programs that one can't do without... does
>>>anyone know of a program that organizes information in
>>>a similar format to TreePad?  (I don't use the graphics
>>>capability at all.)
>>TreePad is rather nice, but very "Windows".
>>On the LX, MindMap is probably the closest product. You
>>can download an old version free from www.dasoft.com to
>>see if you like it. There is also FlexPad, which is
>>supposed to be a sort of appointment/ToDo PIM, but I
>>understand some LX users use it for TreePad type purposes.
>>You can get it free from SUPER:
>> http://www.palmtop.net/super.html
>>Cheers, Roger


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John,

I am trying to reach you on the private side, but your e-mail was
returned.

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He got rid of his LX a while ago and has posted in a week. I think he's =
dropped out of sight.

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HP200LX (RAM not specified) + Modem + CF card reader + something related
to IRDA (the text is not very clear).

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375871742

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Tue, 27.08.02 9:09 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I just came across this web page:

http://www.spray.se/joakim.slettengren

There are lots of file format converters, even for DOS, available.
Maybe you'll find there what you have looked for for a long time.

GTX
daniel

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: Converters
>

> I just came across this web page:
>
> http://www.spray.se/joakim.slettengren
>
> There are lots of file format converters, even for DOS,
> available.  Maybe you'll find there what you have
> looked for for a long time.

That's apearantly in Swedish and Altavista won't translate it.

How dare a country use a language that Altavista doesn't translate!
:)

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Thanks to all who replied to my previous questions about
C programming. I'm feeliong much better now thanks ;-).
I have another question though, and it's not really C,
but more DOS. I need to detect the number of rows on
the screen when my program starts, so that it can use the
full window if running in a Windoze DOS window that is
bigger than 80X25.
I have seen mention of a C function that gives that info
(gettextinfo()) but I can't get it to work under TurboC
2.01. I guess it wasn't implemented then. Anyway, I found
a list of all known DOS interrupts, and Int10h, function
1Bh returns lots of info, including rows. However, this
info is returned in something referred to as ES:DI.
It looks like I have to set aside some memory for this,
but I don't know how, or how to refer to it after the int
call. Please can someone help me with this, or recommend
another way to determine screen rows?
Cheers, Roger

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:54:17 -0600
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:02:30 -0700 Terry Owen wrote:
 >
 >Speaking of programs that one can't do without... does anyone know
 >of a program that organizes information in a similar format to
 >TreePad?  (I don't use the graphics capability at all.)

I use TreePad too. I use it in addition to NoteTab to capture information
when I'm surfing the Web. Since both programs use plain text (hurray!),
it's easy to copy text into other programs.

 >www.treepad.com
 >
 >I keep TreePad open all day at work and copy/paste various bits of
 >information into it.  The program does export to html, so I can
 >take an .hjt file with me if I need to view it in Dos, but it would
 >be great if I could find a similar program that would run on the
 >LX.

You can copy the .hjt file to your LX and view it using an editor or other
viewer. You'll get a long text file with "dt=Text " between the nodes.

If you want to preserve the outline look and you use PalEdit, do a quick
search for "^P" and replace it with " " (that's  followed
by a space) before you copy the file to your LX. Then you can use the
outline feature in PalEdit (^C) to see all the nodes and expand them as
needed (ESC +).

 >Sadly, I'm even considering buying another pocketpc to run a
 >compatible program wtih it.

Since TreePad saves files in text format, I'd be willing to guess that
there are many more editors or outline type programs you could easily pull
your files into after running a short script. Does anyone else have some
suggestions?

Good Luck!
Don

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:41 PM
Subject: More C-Newbie Questions...


> Thanks to all who replied to my previous questions about
> C programming. I'm feeliong much better now thanks ;-).
> I have another question though, and it's not really C,
> but more DOS. I need to detect the number of rows on
> the screen when my program starts, so that it can use the
> full window if running in a Windoze DOS window that is
> bigger than 80X25.
> I have seen mention of a C function that gives that info
> (gettextinfo()) but I can't get it to work under TurboC
> 2.01. I guess it wasn't implemented then. Anyway, I found
> a list of all known DOS interrupts, and Int10h, function
> 1Bh returns lots of info, including rows. However, this
> info is returned in something referred to as ES:DI.
> It looks like I have to set aside some memory for this,
> but I don't know how, or how to refer to it after the int
> call. Please can someone help me with this, or recommend
> another way to determine screen rows?

Include conio.h with the following line:
#include 
That will let you use gettextinfo().

But your answer will be in a struct and if you're just starting in
C that might be a little ahead of where you are.  If you want to
jump ahead a little, this is a pretty simple form of structure and
you should be able to figure out how to use it with a little
reading and a little playing around.

You can always add the screen size adjustment later, too.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:20:32 -0500
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Comments: To: "Striegel, Alan" , ltachna@att.net
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:28:30 -0400 Striegel, Alan wrote:
>Is there a help file or documentation for it somewhere?

Try this: http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/cccalc.zip

This ZIP includes the program, help file, and VBRUN300.DLL.

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:43:22 +1200
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I have for sale the following:

HP200LX (US English)- 5Mb Ram, in very good condition, no hinge cracks or
screen problems complete with manuals in original box, serial cable and
protective soft case.

HP F1011A AC/DC Adapter with Australasian prongs, usable in US with adapter.

Motorola 14.4 PCMCIA Modem & cable (with BT Plug - would need to be
replaced for US).

5 Mb Seagate (Sandisk) PCMCIA memory card.

20 Mb Sandisk PCMCIA memory card.

Lots of software (much of it from SUPER)

I would like US$260 for all the above (shipping included).

If you are interested please email me at:

choney@paradise.net.nz

Rgds
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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:22:07 -0300
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Hello to all,

I have begin a project of some tools and library in java to
communication with the Filer, manipulation of the databases and
synchronization with the Outlook and other applications.

The page of the project is http://sourceforge.net/projects/j200lx

The current state of the project is alpha 1 and i would like to listen
yours opinions to improve it.

Greetings

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:45:05 -0700
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> Sometime around 0330 UTC on August 27, 2002, MapBlast switched to
> using encoded URL's, denying outside applications (like findU) the
> use of their maps. Currently I do not have time to work on a
> replacement, I will do so as time permits
>
> This means, that also Lxmapblast will not work anymore.
> What a pity.

Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
2 years. That was a good run.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:53:45 +0200
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On 2002-08-27, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> It is definitely worth the money, at least for me.

I have never used Software Carousel, but from what I seem to
remember, Carousel can actually multitask several applications
in different "memory partitions", as they call it. Partitions
are subsections of the conventional memory pool.
Does Carousel still allow true multitasking when you want to
run larger applications which require the whole 640 Kb of
memory and maybe even EMS memory as well? Or does it fall back
to task switching by swapping out the background tasks, then?

> You can really have 12 virtual palmtops in one, of course this
> needs storage space for the swap file, and if you don't have so
> much internal RAM, you can even use the Sandisk CF card for
> swapping. This is much slower than with internal memory (about
> 6 seconds per work area swtiching, compared to 1-2 seconds when
> using EMS in the internal memory), but it is still much more
> convenient, than saving your work, quitting one application,
> fire up another application and loading a file there.

Hm, if the HP LX is compatible enough with a standard PC, the
DR DOS 6.0 TASKMAX or the DR-DOS 7.xx TASKMGR in its task switching
mode instead of its multitasking mode (which would require a 386)
should allow this as well, providing up to 20 concurrent tasks.
In task switching mode only the foreground task is actually running,
while the background tasks are frozen and swapped out.
TASKMAX/TASKMGR uses XMS, EMS, or a disk file for swapping.
(XMS swapping would not be possible on the HP, of course.)
Has anyone tried this?

(DR-DOS 7.03 is available for download on http://www.drdos.org,
http://www.drdos.net, or ftp://ftp.lineo.com and is free for
personal non-commercial use. Of course, it is not necessary to
*install* DR-DOS on the HP (which might be impossible, because
of its ROM-based nature) - just decompressing the TASKMGR.EXE
file with PNUNPACK should work. Unfortunately, I don't have a
HP here, so I cannot try myself.

Greetings,

 Matthias

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:29:12 +0200
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> Anyway, I found
> a list of all known DOS interrupts, and Int10h, function
> 1Bh returns lots of info, including rows. However, this
> info is returned in something referred to as ES:DI.
> It looks like I have to set aside some memory for this,
> but I don't know how, or how to refer to it after the int
> call. Please can someone help me with this, or recommend
> another way to determine screen rows?
> Cheers, Roger

use :

union REGS
struct SREGS
and "int86x()"
to run your interrupts

hope this helps
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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:08:00 -0400
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Thank you Curtis!  This is even a newer version, as I noted that the last
one relied on VBRUN200.DLL and this one moved up a level.  It also doesn't
ask the user to send $15 to register it.

I'm a real fan of Curtis Cameron's work -- especially the solitaire games,
but how can he just give away all this great stuff?

Alan Striegel

>From: Curtis Cameron [mailto:cc@ccdominoes.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:21 AM
>
>On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:28:30 -0400 Striegel, Alan wrote:
>>Is there a help file or documentation for it somewhere?
>
>Try this: http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/cccalc.zip
>
>This ZIP includes the program, help file, and VBRUN300.DLL.

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:09:01 +0200
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Hi Rodrigo

07h44m ago Rodrigo Serra wrote:

> I have begin a project of some tools and library in java to
> communication with the Filer, manipulation of the databases and
> synchronization with the Outlook and other applications.
>
> The page of the project is http://sourceforge.net/projects/j200lx

Interesting!
Since this is Java, it sould work OS independent, right?
Maybe I will try this on Linux soon, once I figured out how to use a
Java application under Linux. ;-)

For now, I'll at least add it to the next SUPER update, which is coming
very soon.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:18:32 +0200
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Wed, 28.08.02 3:15 PM +0200

Hi friends,

a new SUPER update, see
http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html for new additions.

Changelog:


28-AUG-02
95LX category removed (only LXTOOLS for 95LX affected)
BVW AND KV added (Backwerkeverzeichnis, Koechelverzeichnis)
CLOCK (clock212.zip) added
PDB2X updated to v2.0
WINDI 7 LANGUAGE DICTIONARY added
CIRQUE GLIDEPOINT DRIVER added
SUNDRV Sundisk PCMCIA ATA driver for 95LX added
GENPAINT added
LATIN DICTIONARY added
BACKLITE added
VOLKOV COMMANDER 5 DS PATCH added
FIFTEEN updated to v2.0
QBASIC QUICKREFERENCE added
DATEFILE added
CHARSET added
IDEA added
VDE links to www.punky.com deleted, since they were invalid, and some of =
the enhancements available there are now in the new VDE version anyway.
VDE ICON deleted, since now included in VDE
VDE by Eric Meyer updated to version 1.93C and homepage link / email link =
updated
ZIP by Eric Meyer updated to version 2.2
BSD TREK added
LIGHON2 changed from COM to ZIP file for more convenient download
ANDREW FONTS 8 and 9 added (Euro-sign!), v3 not removed.
HELV200 EURO FONT added
GDBLOAD v1.03 added
GPS Coordinate Converter changed from .wk1 to .zip for better download
SIMULT EQUATIONS IN LOTUS changed from wk1 to .zip for better download
MINIDISC LABELING SYSTEM link updated
BIGFONT1 added (font for Read/LX with Umlauts etc.)
J200LX added


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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:07:27 -0700
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Don,

What a great idea.  I hadn't really looked at the format of the
files.  And using PalEdit would be perfect!

Thanks,

Terry

>>From: "Donald Puscher" 
>>Subject: Re: Dos equivalent of TreePad?

>>You can copy the .hjt file to your LX and view it using an editor
>>or other
>>viewer. You'll get a long text file with "dt=Text " between
>>the nodes.

>>If you want to preserve the outline look and you use PalEdit, do
>>a quick
>>search for "^P" and replace it with " " (that's
>> followed
>>by a space) before you copy the file to your LX. Then you can use
>>the
>>outline feature in PalEdit (^C) to see all the nodes and expand
>>them as
>>needed (ESC +).



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I Hope that he has not totally given up on the 200lx.
His design of both fastcharge and backlight circuits are innovative and
user installable. I gave him what help I could and although I have yet to
install the backlight, the charge circuit works very well with no adverse
side effect (other than it gets a bit warm). I charge every 3 days or so
for 4 hrs to fully charge my 1800mAh NiMH batts.

When last I corresponded with him he did say that he was retaining a SS 2MB
200lx.

If he is no longer on the list or supporting the lx we have lost a valuable
member of this community :-(

Joe Buford






Date:    Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:53:48 -0700
From:    bobv 
Subject: John Musielewicz 

John,

I am trying to reach you on the private side, but your e-mail was
returned.

Bob

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Date:    Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:35:09 -0400
From:    Eduardo Fake-O Name-O 
Subject: Re: John Musielewicz 

He got rid of his LX a while ago and has posted in a week. I think he's =
dropped out of sight.

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>=20
>=20
> John,
>=20
> I am trying to reach you on the private side, but your e-mail was
> returned.
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Hi Andrew

5 days 10h35m ago Andrew wrote:

> Has anyone else notice the left hinge getting loose?

yes, a little.

> It's not letting the screen flop over but when I open the screen 90
> degrees and wiggle it back and forth the hinge end cap moves relative =
to
> the base.
> 2 of my 3 LXs have this problem and I don't know if I should worry =
about
> it.

How much does it move? Here it only moves about 1/5mm I guess, but it
is noticeable.

It could be stopped if you glue a few layers of paper under the hinge
cap. Or take apart the whole palmtop and glue something thin and stong
(thin metal foil?) around the part of the left hinge which belongs to
the screen.

But if that's worth the effort... - I doubt it.

GTX
daniel

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Hi Stefan

5 days 01h49m ago Stefan Peichl wrote:

> One advantage, most RPN users don't think about is the ease of
> programming of a calculater.

thanks to all for the explanation of advantages of RPN.
Maybe I should also learn it. Actually, it's simple, but since I'm not
used to it I don:T think I can use it already for complex calculations.

> My LXPRO TSR program has a calculator built in (F4 hotkey) and
> it turned out to be much simpler to program in RPN mode than in
> algebraic mode. And because a HP was the target machine, I did
> not hesitate a moment to make it a RPN calculator.

That's a start for me. :-)
Wow, I haven't realized LXPro has even a calculator. Now I'll use that
one instead of the HPCalc, to learn RPN.

GTX
daniel


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Hi Yves

4 days 03h35m ago Yves Leurquin wrote:

> I keep thinking that the simplest device to show presentations using =
the LX
> is a cheap VGA Digital Camera using a Compact Flash card (canon Powersho=
t,
> Nikon Coolpix, etc...)

Oh yes, nice idea. Although JPG is definitely not the format for
presenttations - text and lines are distorted if file size is small.
But this might really be feasable.

>  1. Use a graphic application on the 200LX which can output the slides =
in JPG
>  format (or a format compatible with the digital camera).

Do you know of such a program, which cannot only output JPG, but also
has the necessary capabilities to create slides (text, simple drawings,
easy handling of background tamplates etc.)?

> While this should work, I never found a way to have a graphic applicatio=
n
> output files in a format compatible with my Camera (Coolpix 950). =
(Powerpoint
> can export a presenation in JPG or GIF format). Yet this should work. =
Any
> advice why it doesn't ?

hm, my camera seems to be pretty tolerant, I have often uploaded JPGs
to it from other sources, even from another camera which produced a
much higher resolution, and it displayed the pictures almost always.
It is a Casio QV8000SX. Well, I have just added a picture taken with
that camera at the bottom of my photography page, so you can take a
look at the image quality:
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/photography

Thanks for that idea!
GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:56:08 +0200
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Hi Barry

18h45m ago Barry wrote:

> That's apearantly in Swedish and Altavista won't translate it.
>
> How dare a country use a language that Altavista doesn't translate!
> :)

oops, sorry! The correct URL is:
http://hem.spray.se/joakim.slettengren

GTX
daniel



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> oops, sorry! The correct URL is:
> http://hem.spray.se/joakim.slettengren

Thanks.  That's a useful site.

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Date:         Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:07:14 -0300
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Daniel,

Java is OS independent but a library "Java Communication API" used in
the proyect at the moment only run on Windows and Solaris. In JCA faq
(http://java.sun.com/products/javacomm/javadocs/CommAPI_FAQ.txt) mention
a port to linux. Check it. Please comment the results of their tests to
be able to add the information to the project.

Thank for adding the proyect to the SUPER update.

Rodrigo

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Asunto: Re: New j200lx project.


Hi Rodrigo

07h44m ago Rodrigo Serra wrote:

> I have begin a project of some tools and library in java to=20
> communication with the Filer, manipulation of the databases and=20
> synchronization with the Outlook and other applications.
>
> The page of the project is http://sourceforge.net/projects/j200lx

Interesting!
Since this is Java, it sould work OS independent, right?
Maybe I will try this on Linux soon, once I figured out how to use a
Java application under Linux. ;-)

For now, I'll at least add it to the next SUPER update, which is coming
very soon.

GTX
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Hello,

I just tried a 16MB Sony MemoryStick from my digicam with the Sony
MSAC-PC2 Stick-to-PCMCIA-Adaptor in my 700LX...
To my surprise, it worked right away without any additional drivers
:-)

regards,
Oliver

P.S.: Now I need a 200LX with color screen ;-)

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Hello to all,

Can somebody help me in obtaining information of the protocol used by
the Filer?

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Hello LXers,

> Hm, if the HP LX is compatible enough with a standard PC, the
> DR DOS 6.0 TASKMAX or the DR-DOS 7.xx TASKMGR in its task switching
> mode instead of its multitasking mode (which would require a 386)
> should allow this as well, providing up to 20 concurrent tasks.
> In task switching mode only the foreground task is actually running,
> while the background tasks are frozen and swapped out.
> TASKMAX/TASKMGR uses XMS, EMS, or a disk file for swapping.
> (XMS swapping would not be possible on the HP, of course.)
> Has anyone tried this?
>
> (DR-DOS 7.03 is available for download on http://www.drdos.org,
> http://www.drdos.net, or ftp://ftp.lineo.com and is free for
> personal non-commercial use. Of course, it is not necessary to
> *install* DR-DOS on the HP (which might be impossible, because
> of its ROM-based nature) - just decompressing the TASKMGR.EXE
> file with PNUNPACK should work. Unfortunately, I don't have a
> HP here, so I cannot try myself.
>
> Greetings,
>
>  Matthias

I checked the Taskmgr.exe from DR-DOS 7.03 last night and it gave me the
error message 'Incorrect version of operating system'. I tried setver on
it, but that doesn't seem to help. It doesnt work in DOS Mode of Win98
either.

Any suggestions?

Maybe I'll try TaskMax later today (If I can find it).

Greetings,

Hanno

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>
> I'm a real fan of Curtis Cameron's work -- especially the solitaire games,
> but how can he just give away all this great stuff?
>

Because sometimes there are cool people who decide to make their soft
freeware instead of asking money for it :)
It is a really nice calc, Curtis!


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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> BWV added (Backwerkeverzeichnis)

Daniel, that's a good one. Did you intentionally misspell it
or happend it by chance? As a pianist I'm sure you know what
BWV means ;-) (Sorry folks, this joke was only for germans)

I love to have the BWV on the palmtop now. No more need to
carry around the 2kg book of Wolfgang Schmieder from 1950.

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Michael Kopplin wrote:

> Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
> Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
> complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
> 2 years. That was a good run.

I still remember well the 1 or 2 days when we "hacked" the urls.
We were quite successful ;-)

Thanks for the 2 years of lxmapblast!

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On 27-08 17:41 EDT, you wrote:

> I have seen mention of a C function that gives that info
> (gettextinfo()) but I can't get it to work under TurboC
> 2.01. I guess it wasn't implemented then. Anyway, I found

I just tested the following code with TC 2.01, and it works as expected:

-----
#include 
#include 

int main(void)
{
  struct text_info ti;

  gettextinfo(&ti);
  printf("screen height: %d\n", ti.screenheight);
  printf("screen width: %d\n", ti.screenwidth);
  return 0;
}
-----

> a list of all known DOS interrupts, and Int10h, function
> 1Bh returns lots of info, including rows. However, this
> info is returned in something referred to as ES:DI.

My guess would be that the gettextinfo() function calls this interrupt.
You can disassemble the resulting executable to check this.

> It looks like I have to set aside some memory for this,
> but I don't know how, or how to refer to it after the int
> call. Please can someone help me with this, or recommend
> another way to determine screen rows?

The best way for generic hardware is to use generic functions. The BIOS
is here for that purpose.

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 08:30:27AM +0200, Hanno H|ther wrote:
> Hello LXers,
>
> > Hm, if the HP LX is compatible enough with a standard PC, the
> > DR DOS 6.0 TASKMAX or the DR-DOS 7.xx TASKMGR in its task switching
> > mode instead of its multitasking mode (which would require a 386)
> > should allow this as well, providing up to 20 concurrent tasks.
> > In task switching mode only the foreground task is actually running,
> > while the background tasks are frozen and swapped out.
> > TASKMAX/TASKMGR uses XMS, EMS, or a disk file for swapping.
> > (XMS swapping would not be possible on the HP, of course.)
> > Has anyone tried this?
> >
> > (DR-DOS 7.03 is available for download on http://www.drdos.org,
> > http://www.drdos.net, or ftp://ftp.lineo.com and is free for
> > personal non-commercial use. Of course, it is not necessary to
> > *install* DR-DOS on the HP (which might be impossible, because
> > of its ROM-based nature) - just decompressing the TASKMGR.EXE
> > file with PNUNPACK should work. Unfortunately, I don't have a
> > HP here, so I cannot try myself.
> >
>
> I checked the Taskmgr.exe from DR-DOS 7.03 last night and it gave me the
> error message 'Incorrect version of operating system'. I tried setver on
> it, but that doesn't seem to help. It doesnt work in DOS Mode of Win98
> either.
>
> Any suggestions?

It most likely wont work. I suppose that the DR-DOS taskmgr.exe relies
on some support from the operating system and therefore requires the
version of DR-DOS it was written for.  And putting DR-DOS on the HP is
impossible, due to the OS on the HP being ROMed.

Regards,
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On 2002-08-29, Hanno H=FCther wrote:

> I checked the Taskmgr.exe from DR-DOS 7.03 last night and it gave me
> the error message 'Incorrect version of operating system'. I tried
> setver on it, but that doesn't seem to help. It doesnt work in DOS
> Mode of Win98 either.

Arrgh, then I must have confused this with the debug version, which
does not have these version checks. Sorry. One of the few occurances
of such messages in DR-DOS tools - most of them were designed to
work with any issue of DOS (where possible)...

In fact, one of the goals in the attempt to achieve maximum
compatibility in the development of TASKMAX/TASKMGR was to
test it under non-DR-DOS versions like Compaq MS-DOS 3.31 and
IBM PC DOS 5.0, so the version check in the public issues
is there only "just in case" something was overlooked in this
complex undertaking.

MS-DOS/PC DOS SETVER won't work, because it does not allow to
change BDOS kernel versions (INT 21h/AX=3D4452h - DR-DOS 7.03
reports itself as being "CP/M-86 version 7.3", that is 1073h).
The DR-DOS 7.02+ SETVER (in /X mode) allows to fake DOS versions
as well as BDOS kernel versions, but it requires special support
in the kernel for this to work, so the DR-DOS SETVER cannot
be used for this under MS-DOS/PC DOS, unfortunately.

I see two possible solutions how to disable the version check:

- NOP out the version check in TASKMGR.

  Might be easy for TASKMAX.EXE and more difficult for TASKMGR.EXE
  (because the latter is a multi-partite file with a loader stub,
  a task switcher module (which gets executed in task switching
  mode /S and is very similar to the old TASKMAX.EXE), a multitasker
  module (which gets executed only in preemptive multitasking mode
  on 386+), and a Windows task manager application (replacing Windows'
  own TASKMAX, so you can control DR-DOS as well as Windows tasks
  from within the same menu application).

- Write a small TSR (with unload facility so you can easily remove
  it afterwards), which emulates the DR-DOS version check INT 21h/
  AX=3D4452h before you launch TASKMAX.EXE/TASKMGR.EXE. In case this
  still does not work, I can look up the details (when I find the
  time, that is).

Hope it helps,

 Matthias

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I apologize if this is a repeat...

Would you join an exclusive club with a little more than 500 members
and the following statistics:

3 have done time for assault
7 have been arrested for fraud
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
29 have been accused of spousal abuse
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year.
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

Can you guess which organization this is?

Give up yet?

It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The best
Government money can buy - the same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in
line.

You gotta pass this one on!

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Arrgh, then I must have confused this with the debug version, which
does not have these version checks. Sorry. One of the few
occurances
of such messages in DR-DOS tools - most of them were designed to
work with any issue of DOS (where possible)...

In fact, one of the goals in the attempt to achieve maximum
compatibility in the development of TASKMAX/TASKMGR was to
test it under non-DR-DOS versions like Compaq MS-DOS 3.31 and
IBM PC DOS 5.0, so the version check in the public issues
is there only "just in case" something was overlooked in this
complex undertaking.

MS-DOS/PC DOS SETVER won't work, because it does not allow to
change BDOS kernel versions (INT 21h/AX=4452h - DR-DOS 7.03
reports itself as being "CP/M-86 version 7.3", that is 1073h).
The DR-DOS 7.02+ SETVER (in /X mode) allows to fake DOS versions
as well as BDOS kernel versions, but it requires special support
in the kernel for this to work, so the DR-DOS SETVER cannot
be used for this under MS-DOS/PC DOS, unfortunately.

I see two possible solutions how to disable the version check:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
<

Now that we know the answer it's easy to use a little hindsight and
see why it might be so.

I'd say it was entirely possible that the version check is done in
this case because there wasn't a good way to make TASMGR work with
normal DOS since normal DOS isn't designed to work in a
multitasking evironment.  They probably had to make a lot of
adjustments in the OS to allow it to have reliable multi-tasking.

Also, isn't the environment 32 bit when multi-tasking?  Or
protected mode?  I think I remember reading something about that on
the Dr-Dos site.

I'm not saying it can't be done.  I've never used Dr-Dos and I
don't know much about it.  But if it can't be done maybe it's not
too surprising.

Barry

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              true ...
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>RE: I didn't verify the data in the email I received but if it is true =
...=09

Well, then, GYFFS before 'passing it on'
hint: The second F is for 'facts'

Look here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A534890


> You gotta pass this one on!

No.. you don't! Any time you get any email that says 'pass this on' do =
just opposite. It's junk and it wastes time. Don't assume, because the =
message contains a lot of facts and figures, that it's true. Here's a =
figure for you. 99.9% of mail messages likes this are worthless crap. I =
just made that up but I would bet that I'm not far off the mark.

BTW: Don't mess with congress or they will start charging you $.05 per =
email in order to save the postal service.... seriously.

ABTW: Yeah, it's a rant... but I feel better now.

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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:55:02 +0200
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Hi Mike

1 day 08h07m ago Michael Kopplin wrote:

> Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
> Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
> complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
> 2 years. That was a good run.

I don't understan the people who cripple their services, just to make
it less useful. :-(

So many thanks for _your_ service of adapting the mapblast interface to
the LX, I have not used it many times, but _when_ I used it, I relied
on it. And everytime I used Mapblast at all (also on the desktop), I
always prefered LXMapblast because it was easier to use and especially
had a much lighter output than the original Mapblast.

Too bad this is all over now.

GTX
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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:32:38 -0500
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Subject:      New Palmtops
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Hi Everyone,

First off, www.PalmtopPaper.com has been down for a day. It's a server
problem beyond our control and were just waiting for it to come back up.

Secondly, finally after over a year of negotiating were able to purchase 400
brand new palmtops. They are completely virgin, never used, but removed from
their original packaging.

We are selling them at the following pricing.  Some have already been sold.
Here is the pricing:


  1  -  4              $700

  5  -  9              $675

10 - 19             $650

20 - 29             $625

30 or more         $600

We will warranty these for 1 year.

If you are interested, www.PalmtopPaper.com should be up in a few days and
reflect this pricing. Or you can email Wayne Kneeskern, wayne@thaddeus.com.

If you mention that you heard it on the HPLX list, we will include a (used)
connectivity cable. You may include the offer in your email to Wayne or in
the comments section of your www.PalmtopPaper.com shopping cart order.

Thanks,


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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:45:08 -0400
Reply-To:     Cavalier Leonard W CRBE 
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I realize this thread is a little old, but if anyone wants more info on the Thumbelina, I have one, and probably the software disk and manual that came with it (since I can't remember throwing anything out in the last 10 years or so!).

It's a very nice portable pointing device.  I last used it as the mouse on a Compaq all-in-one 486 PC with TV card, that I now use almost exclusively as a TV in my bedroom (hate to have to bring a mouse pad in bed!).  After a while, it no longer worked
quite right (the cursor did not move as directed).  It could be simply in need of a cleaning inside, but at the time I cast it by the wayside to use yet another in the chain of cursor controls I have experimented with to get the best for this job - a
cordless (RF) mouse.  This has been great, except it won't work directly on the bed surface.  I guess the metalwork inside the mattress wreaks havoc with the RF propagation.

Anyway, if anyone wants more info, let me know.  If desired, I could post/send picture(s) of it.


        - Leonard W. Cavalier
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kerwin Robertson [mailto:rsa@RSC.CO.UK]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:47 AM
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx????????


hmmm.....sounds good,
do you have any links or info on it?????

Kerwin Robertson

----- Original Message -----
From: Yves Leurquin 
To: 
Sent: 28 July 2002 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Trackpoint for 200lx????????


> my next 'project' is to get a trackpoint type device to work on the lx.
 I don't know of a trackpoint but there is a nice trackBALL. The Thumbelina
 is about 4 Square centimeters in surface and is compatible with the HPLX.

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I just received my 200LX back from Thaddeus where they fixed a
hinge crack by replacing the top shell.  A side effect is the
hinge is very stiff now and I fear stressing the new hinge.

What's the recommended hinge lube?  light machine oil?  Silicon
spray?  Graphite?  Other??

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:40:31 +0200
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Hi Cri

3 weeks 1 day 22h01m ago _Cri_ wrote:

> Well, I've just tried the following, and it works on my Debian GNU/Linux=
 box
>
> - 'setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 115200'
> - Configure the LX to 9600 8n1 and fire up DataComm
> - 'cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr'
> - Type 'Hello World' on DataComm
> - As soon as I entered Ctrl-D on th LX, a print job on the local =
printer
>   started and I got my 'Hello World' page printed!

Nice. This works.

> So I guess the problem is somewhere in your print spool, Daniel...

Well, I didn'tredirect the output to lpr, but rather directly to the
printer device, since what the program on the palmtop created was not
plain text, but binary printer-adapted stuff.

> Then I went into Setup -> Printer on the LX, configured the printer
> as COM1/9600/HPLaserJet and tried to send print jobs from some of the
> LX applications to the HPLJ5L printer connected to my Linux box.
>
> - Filer: doing a simple 'cat /dev/ttyS0' and pressing Ctrl-P on the LX
>   yielded the directory listing on the Linux terminal. Unfortunately,
>   doing 'cat /dev/ttyS0 | lpr' didn't work: the shell remained
>   "suspended" and I had to stop the process. Clearly a Ctrl-D (end
>   of file) was missing from the end of the LX output; so I wrote a text
>   file with my favourite DOS editor, added a literal ^D at the end,
>   fired the editor's print command and the print job carried out =
nicely.

WOW. I didn't even know that filer can print. :-)
Okay, I get a directoy listing on the linux screen, but every line feed
is doubled, hence I get an empty line after each text line.

> - Note Taker: same results as with Filer.
>   I noticed the "Termination string" option in the "Print Setup" menu,
>   but I have no idea about how to send a ^D...

Maybe enter the ASCII code of Ctrl-D via Menu-Alt-code, code should be
004. However, if I try to enter it that way, I only get beeps...
So I tried it another way:
Enter an unusual character into the filed (=D6 for example), then quit
MEMO, edit c:\_dat\memoed.env, and replace =D6 by Menu-Alt-004.
This seems to work, because when I open MEMO then, I get the diamond
character in the print termination code field.
But the print job is not initialized anyway. Even if I enter
Menu-Alt-004 directly into the text at the end, this doesn"t help.
Strange.

> PS: Oh, and don't forget to try 'cat /dev/ttyS0' +  on the LX
> for some pyrotechnic effects! ;-)

This  gives me an 1:1 copy of the LX's screen (when in text mode at
least) on the linux terminal, but again with double line feeds.

Any more ideas on this?

Thanks a lot
daniel


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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:40:33 +0200
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Hi Hal

01h28m ago Hal Goldstein wrote:

> Secondly, finally after over a year of negotiating were able to purchase=
 400
> brand new palmtops. They are completely virgin, never used, but removed =
from
> their original packaging.

200LXs? How much memory?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:43:45 +1200
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Erwann wrote:
>I just tested the following code with TC 2.01, and it
>works as expected:
>-----
>#include 
>#include 
>int main(void)
>{
>  struct text_info ti;
>  gettextinfo(&ti);
>  printf("screen height: %d\n", ti.screenheight);
>  printf("screen width: %d\n", ti.screenwidth);
>  return 0;
>}
Thanks again Erwann. It works for me too.
I don't know what I was doing wrong before, but the compiler
kept saying it couldn't find _gettextinfo.
I had almost every header in TC201 #included in the program
at the time. Later when I started deleting headers to see
what I didn't need, some other functions that previously
weren't found, became available. I don't know why this would
happen, but maybe gettextinfo was also suppressed somehow by
another header.

There is still a problem though. When I run the program in an
80x50 DOS window under Win2000, gettextinfo says it's 80x25.
There must be a way to get the true size, since the "old"
ASIC DOS compiler has a function that gets it OK.

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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:08:53 -0600
Reply-To:     Jessica Blank 
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Subject:      You: gave me a 200LX. I: gave you hosting... hi?
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Hi hi!

        There is a very nice gentleman-- a doctor, I believe-- who traded
me an excellent 200LX for lifetime Web hosting. My Web host has since
moved, since our previous ISP went bankrupt. The 'hplx' account I used to
use to access this list is now defunct, and I cannot find this kind
gentleman!

        If you can mail me with proof that it is you (tell me some details
of what accessories you sent me along with the unit) I'll gladly restore
your account!

        Thanks,

                                                        --Jessica

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Date:         Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:50:31 +0200
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On 2002-08-29, I wrote:

> and a Windows task manager application (replacing
> Windows' own TASKMAX, so you can control DR-DOS as well as
> Windows tasks from within the same menu application).

Of course, I meant Window's TASKMAN, not TASKMAX...

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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:40:32 +0200
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Hi Matthias and Hanno

17h51m ago Matthias Paul wrote:

> - Write a small TSR (with unload facility so you can easily remove
>   it afterwards), which emulates the DR-DOS version check INT 21h/
>   AX=3D4452h before you launch TASKMAX.EXE/TASKMGR.EXE. In case this
>   still does not work, I can look up the details (when I find the
>   time, that is).

There is already such a TSR. It has been written by "Rudi" (Nan-Shan
Chen), and I think it does this: Capturing a DOS INT and
make it audible by a click. And you can configure it, IIRC, that it
also returns a specified value on a specified INT.

It was a preview version, but since Rudi doesn't seem to be here
anymore, and I think he said he is very busy now, he will maybe not
improve it anymore. Well, I'll try to reach him to ask him if I can
give it away, maybe upload it on SUPER, and in the mean time, I think
he would agree that I give it to you, for the purpose to make TASKMAC
work. So, if you want it, please emailm e privately, then I'll see if I
can dig it up.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:40:34 +0200
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Hi Stefan

15h51m ago Stefan Peichl wrote:

> Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> > BWV added (Backwerkeverzeichnis)
>
> Daniel, that's a good one. Did you intentionally misspell it
> or happend it by chance? As a pianist I'm sure you know what
> BWV means ;-) (Sorry folks, this joke was only for germans)

:-)
It was of course _not_ intentional! Maybe I was hungry when I wrote
that. (For the non-German people: BacHwerkeverzeichnis =3D directory of
works of Johann Sebastian Bach, BacKwerkeverzeichnis =3D not a known
word, but it would mean "direcory of works of a bakery" or so... :-)
I hope I didn't write that on SUPER. Will check that.

> I love to have the BWV on the palmtop now. No more need to
> carry around the 2kg book of Wolfgang Schmieder from 1950.

Yes, I have it also on my palmtop now. Nice work. But since I gave up
playing the piano some years ago, and I don't think I'll return to it,
I probably won't need it so much. Just good to have it as a reference.

Well, people keep asking what you can fill up a large flash card with.
The answer is easy: references. I have about 50 MB of dictionaries
already, some of them swapped out on CD (Windi, LXDict WB files, and
some others), the CIA world fact book, BWV, KV, BIOS compendium, LXREF,
HELPPC... so many more). Probably won't need it, but one never knows. :-)

GTX
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:48:37 +0100
Reply-To:     "Svagr, Radek" 
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I can only tell you what TO NOT USE. A food oil . It completely destroyed
my hinge.

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List    On Behalf Of
Russel Brooks 
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:38 PM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Which lube for stiff hinge?
>
> I just received my 200LX back from Thaddeus where they fixed a
> hinge crack by replacing the top shell.  A side effect is the
> hinge is very stiff now and I fear stressing the new hinge.
>
> What's the recommended hinge lube?  light machine oil?  Silicon
> spray?  Graphite?  Other??
>
> Cheers... Russ
>
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:43:10 +0200
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dear Michael,

Michael Kopplin schrieb =FCber Re: Mapblast no more available for=20
outside applic:

> > This means, that also Lxmapblast will not work anymore.
> > What a pity.
>=20
> Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
> Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
> complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
> 2 years. That was a good run.
>=20
yes indeed, it was.=20
Thanks a lot for your work, I'll certainly miss it.

cheers,
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:21:21 -0400
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Stefan Peichl wrote:

> Michael Kopplin wrote:
>
> > Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
> > Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
> > complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
> > 2 years. That was a good run.
>
> I still remember well the 1 or 2 days when we "hacked" the urls.
> We were quite successful ;-)
>
> Thanks for the 2 years of lxmapblast!

   Yes, one of my most useful bookmarks.  Thanks, it will
be missed.

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Rodrigo Serra writes:
> Can somebody help me in obtaining information of the protocol used by
> the Filer?
If you mean the communication protocol, it is used in the LXTOOLS package
(available on SUPER) as well as the source being available as part of the
PAL library (also available via SUPER). The source code for both of the
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:33:51 -0400
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> WOW. I didn't even know that filer can print. :-)
> Okay, I get a directoy listing on the linux screen, but every line feed
> is doubled, hence I get an empty line after each text line.
>
It's my guess that this happens because DOS terminates console text lines
with CR/LF pairs, while *NIX uses only single LFs.

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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:15:05 +0200
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Fri, 30.08.02 4:00 PM +0200

Hi friends

I'm just developing an inverter which fits inside the hingetube.
As the basic component, I use the SIPEX 4403 as recommended by John,
and it really works nicely. It is an extremely small package, only abt.
3mm*3mm*1mm, thus extremely difficult to solder if you don't have SMD
soldering equipment. But it can be done. I have now built an inverter,
which at least works.

However, I would like to try to increase the light intensity.

The data sheet

http://www.sipex.com/products/pdf/SP4403.pdf

says that inserting a diode between pins 3 and 7 increases light
intensity. I have inserted it, and really, it's brighter.

But now, I'd like to ask the electronically skilled people for more
ideas. I used the following components now:

Coil: 470uH 90mA 12 Ohm (does decreasing the resistance increase light
intensity? I could get another coil 470uH 170mA 7.9 Ohm)

R_osc: 430kOhm

C_int: 680pF

C1: 1uF

C2: 10nF

I don't have any specs of the EL panel, though. I drive the circuit
using a 3V photo lithium battery at the moment.

Another question: Can the ELEN pin directly be attached to the CPU's
I/O pin switched by the backlite TSR, or is there something needed for
signal voltage adaption or so?

Could anyone who still has contact to John Musielewicz please forward
this mail to him?

BTW: At 3V, the dicuit draws about 40mA, this is 120mW. Not too much
for the palmtop, I think. I don't have exact measurement results about
palmtop current draw handy, but it should shorten the battery life by
not more than 50% I think.

Thanks a lot
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:00:11 EDT
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Hi friends:

Any pointers to solutions to this (common?) screen problem?: Left side
"column" suddenly appeared?  Fatal?

It can be mitigated by pressing_hard_with left thumb on bottom left hand
corner of screen.

Bill

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On 2002-08-29, Barry wrote:

> Also, isn't the environment 32 bit when multi-tasking?
> Or protected mode?  I think I remember reading something
> about that on the Dr-Dos site.

Hm, we're not talking about multitasking here. In the single-user
series, this is supported only since DR-DOS 7.xx (actually since
1992 with DR DOS "Panther", "StarTrek" and then Novell DOS 7 in
early 1994) and it requires at least a 386 and 2 Mb of memory
to work.
If you load EMM386.EXE with the /MULTI option (or in "Panther"
it was still named KRNL386), this will load the 32-bit Protected
Mode operating system core with multithreading (THREADS) and
preemptive multitasking in virtual machines (VM) in addition
to the 32-bit 386 memory manager (with support for XMS, UMB,
HMA, EMS, VCPI, true DPMI and optionally DPMS).
The multitasker works similar (though not identical) to
Windows 386 Enhanced Mode, in fact it emulates some of
its APIs, which is the key to make Windows-aware DOS
drivers and applications work fine under the DR-DOS
multitasker and to provide a true DPMI implementation.
In this mode of operation, TASKMGR is only a front-end
application to provide the control program to switch, kill,
and launch tasks, the default Protected Mode task switching
menu program, the configuration file parser, the VxD loader,
the old TASKMAX API emulator (INT 2Fh/AX=3D270xh), etc.
It is important to understand, that TASKMGR is *not* in
any way the actual core of the multitasker, EMM386 *is* -
you can use the multithreading/multitasking even without
using TASKMGR, if you talk to the comprehensive core OS
API at INT 2Fh/AX=3D278xh.
If you load the DR-DOS EMM386.EXE on other DOS issues like,
for example, MS-DOS/PC DOS, you can use the multitasking
there, too.
In fact, TASKMGR was tested under certain MS-DOS and PC DOS
issues to work fine there as well, but since this could not
be garanteed for all versions, the version check was added.

Now, all this is only possible on 386 CPUs upwards.

On older machines (downto 8088 PCs), DR-DOS provides task
switching, that is, the background tasks are frozen and swapped
out, so that the DOS memory is free for another task to run.
Since the HP LX series are 80186, based more or less XT style
machines, there is a high chance that this would work on the
LX as well (given that they are compatible enough with true XTs).

Of course, in theory true multitasking would also be possible
on XTs (Digital Research's Concurrent CP/M-86 and DOS Plus have
shown this, and AFAIK Software Carousel and a few other Real Mode
DOS multitaskers can do this as well), but unfortunately most
true life DOS applications require way too much memory to
have them all loaded in the limited Conventional Memory at
the same time.
And since swapping to XMS or disk is very slow, and EEMS or
EMS 4.0 is not available everywhere, adding true Real Mode
multitasking in limited DOS memory was not considered very
useful. Due to all the swapping, the context switching times
could be up to several seconds for larger tasks (while they
are in the milliseconds range under the 386 multitasker).
This is why TASKMAX and TASKMGR /S only provide task switching
on these older machines.

DR-DOS' task switching mode works completely different from
multitasking mode. Although they are seamlessly integrated
into the same executable, and on user level seem to be just
a little mode switch (TASKMGR /S), they do not have any code
in common.
In task switching mode, there is no need to load EMM386, as
all the support code is in the task switching module in the
TASKMGR.EXE file itself, including the configuration file parser,
context switcher, memory swapper with EMS emulator, DOSSHELL
task-switcher API support, (now) native (not emulated) TASKMAX
API code (INT 2Fh/AX=3D270xh), resident Real Mode default menu
program, etc.

DR-DOS' internal data structures are very similar to those under
MS-DOS/PC DOS, so 3rd party task switchers (like DOSSHELL,
Software Carousel, etc.) or multitaskers (like DESQview or
Windows) also work under DR-DOS. So, the DR-DOS task switcher
and multitasker should also work under MS-DOS/PC DOS in
general - if they do not for some reasons (except for version
checks), the adaptations should be minor (but in the given
situation of stalling official development they might be
impossible to achieve, then, at least in public issues)...

Greetings,

 Matthias

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David,

I have already used the package LXTOOLS and I learned a lot of the
communication protocol, but it lacks the function to rename files. Now I
am seeing the PAL library that didn't know.
Thank you,

Rodrigo

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Asunto: Re: New j200lx project.


Rodrigo Serra writes:
> Can somebody help me in obtaining information of the protocol used by
> the Filer?
If you mean the communication protocol, it is used in the LXTOOLS
package (available on SUPER) as well as the source being available as
part of the PAL library (also available via SUPER). The source code for
both of the above is written in C.

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I recently found this:
http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS.htm

does anybody know the device and if it could be useful in a HP200?

cheers,
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Stefan, Werner, Wee-Meng, Daniel, Steve, others,

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Stefan Peichl wrote:
> > Yes, I'm afraid this is likely the end of my lxmapblast site.
> > Mapblast was the last place I knew that wasn't using some
> > complex encoding scheme in their urls. Oh well, it's been almost
> > 2 years. That was a good run.
>
> I still remember well the 1 or 2 days when we "hacked" the urls.
> We were quite successful ;-)

Yes, that was a lot of fun, and the result proved to be useful
and a very popular site on my server.


> Thanks for the 2 years of lxmapblast!

There is new hope. Thanks to tips from Werner, Wee-Meng and some
non-list-members I may be able to bring back most of my site. It
looks like vicinity.com (parent of mapblast) is now providing
some of the features which mapblast had in a way I can use. This
weekend if I have time I'll take a look and see what I can come
up with.

Thank you all for the comments.

Best regards,
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Russell, et al;

I just fixed a hinge crack and used two drops of Turtle Wax
Sqeak-No-More silicone spray for lubrication.  I removed the
right hinge cap and then opened the palmtop up to about 90
degrees and stood it on it's left side. I then used a funnel
with a long-shanked screwdriver through it: the funnel to catch
and direct the spray, and the screwdriver shank to catch the
runoff and direct the drops to the hinge.  I worked it a bit and
let it stand in that position for an hour or so, working it
every few minutes to get the lube down into the hinge.

I reinforced the case above the hinge with a piece from the
metal shutter of a 3.5" floppy diskette. I cut a small
depression in the palmtop case with my Dremel tool, and trimmed
the metal to size and glued it all together with Super Glue
(cyanoacrylate).  This was about two weeks ago, and it all works
great. I expect it to last a good long while.

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> If you load EMM386.EXE with the /MULTI option (or in "Panther"
> it was still named KRNL386), this will load the 32-bit Protected
> Mode operating system core with multithreading (THREADS) and
> preemptive multitasking in virtual machines (VM) in addition
> to the 32-bit 386 memory manager (with support for XMS, UMB,
> HMA, EMS, VCPI, true DPMI and optionally DPMS).

Thanks for the very complete explanation.  I have an old Compaq
Aero laptop that I'm thinking about doing some graphics programming
on.  Stuff I don't know how to do yet, like 3D transformations,
etc.  I've been wondering if it might be worthwhile to look into
using Dr-Dos or Freedos to get the multi-threading.  In the past
what multithreading I've done on PCs has been in the form of an ISR
to play music in the background, etc.  On OS-9 I used to use
different modules to control different parts of the animation, with
a central module coordinating them.  It was all block moves and
music but that was a much cleaner way to work.

If I use Dos I'll probably make my own threads but with Dr-Dos I
wouldn't have to and the 486 has more power than I need for the
simple stuff I'll be doing so that isn't an issue.

Do you know anything about Freedos as compared to Dr-Dos?  All I'll
be using it for is compilers, debuggers, etc. and things I write.
I do plan to go right to the hardware for a lot of it because
portability no longer has meaning when you are retired and just
playing.  I might want to also use protected mode a little but I
have no experience in that yet.

I have no idea which might be the better OS for me.  Any thoughts?

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The power is certainly close enough - 160mAh max. I do not know the device.


>I recently found this:
>http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS.htm

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Hello again.  I am trying to install all my hplx and DOS programs in their
own bootable DOS partitition, in my XP machine.  I have researched the above
topic already, and the Google consensus seems to be to do it from scratch,
installing DOS first, then XP.
But I successfully installed Linux *after* XP, and now I have a dual boot
system (using a trick on the boot.ini file, which I found on the net).   I
don't want to erase all that just to add a DOS partition.
The problem is that a simple SYS command with a boot floppy doesn't work,
because for some reason MSDOS from the floppy cannot see any of the
partitions at all (the first one is NTFS, and the second one is Linux, the
third one is FAT16).   I have a 20gig hard disk, so that's part of the
problem.
The MSDOS installation disk will happily erase the whole disk for me and
install DOS (I don't think it could handle that disk size, but it is willing
to try, just not me), but it too cannot see the third partition (which I
know it is past the last bootable sector, but I believe I can get DOS to
boot from there with the boot.ini trick, if I can just install it there.

When working on the Linux partition I tried to put it before the XP
partition, but that created all kinds of problems (I don't have regular
installation disks for XP, but a CD that will erase the whole thing or
nothing at all, so that's the reason I cannot install it last, hence the
boot.ini trick), so I am leery of putting the DOS partition before the XP
one.  I have Partition Magic and have done all the preliminary work with the
partitions.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Domingo

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I'm not sure if this would be a viable alternative for you but check out =
a program called VMware. I used it to run NT under lunux. It was slow =
and had some other limitations but it worked. You can create three =
seperate vierual machines to run all three OS simultaneously.=20

If you want  a free program that tries to do something similar, look for =
'bochs'. It also tries to emulate a virtual 386 machine under linux.




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> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu]On Behalf Of
> Domingo
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> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: OT: How to setup a DOS partition under XP?
>=20
>=20
> Hello again.  I am trying to install all my hplx and DOS programs in =
their
> own bootable DOS partitition, in my XP machine.  I have=20
> researched the above
> topic already, and the Google consensus seems to be to do it from =
scratch,
> installing DOS first, then XP.
> But I successfully installed Linux *after* XP, and now I have a dual =
boot
> system (using a trick on the boot.ini file, which I found on the net). =
  I
> don't want to erase all that just to add a DOS partition.
> The problem is that a simple SYS command with a boot floppy doesn't =
work,
> because for some reason MSDOS from the floppy cannot see any of the
> partitions at all (the first one is NTFS, and the second one is Linux, =
the
> third one is FAT16).   I have a 20gig hard disk, so that's part of the
> problem.
> The MSDOS installation disk will happily erase the whole disk for me =
and
> install DOS (I don't think it could handle that disk size, but it=20
> is willing
> to try, just not me), but it too cannot see the third partition (which =
I
> know it is past the last bootable sector, but I believe I can get DOS =
to
> boot from there with the boot.ini trick, if I can just install it =
there.
>=20
> When working on the Linux partition I tried to put it before the XP
> partition, but that created all kinds of problems (I don't have =
regular
> installation disks for XP, but a CD that will erase the whole thing or
> nothing at all, so that's the reason I cannot install it last, hence =
the
> boot.ini trick), so I am leery of putting the DOS partition before the =
XP
> one.  I have Partition Magic and have done all the preliminary=20
> work with the
> partitions.
>=20
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>=20
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> because for some reason MSDOS from the floppy cannot see any of the
> partitions at all (the first one is NTFS, and the second one is Linux, the

Have you hidden those first two partitions, and set your new dos
partition as active, or bootable? DOS looks for the first
primary partition and gets confused when there is more than one
visible. You can change the settings in linux.

I have 3 partitions with win98 and one with linux, and this is
what worked for me. Don't know anything about XP though, or if
it can manage hiding and unhiding partitions. I use lilo, and it
works great.

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After receiving a warning that RemOil and a silicone lubricant
had disintegrated the hinges of a list member's palmtop, I must
warn Russell and others to be careful!   I have heard of hinges
disintegrating with oil-type lubricants (Rem-Oil, WD-40, etc.),
but not silicone.  I don't know for certain that my or his
hinges will disintegrate, but it seems that it is a possibility.

However, that product I used does state that it is
"all-purpose", and states that it can be used on rubber,
although it doesn't specifically mention nor warn against use on
plastics.  Also, I wonder if the disintegrating agent was not in
fact some kind of solvent in the mixture that is used to make
the silicone "sprayable" and if leaving the hinge exposed as I
did for a few hours allowed some of the solvent to evaporate.  I
can only hope.

On the other hand, perhaps a lithium grease, paraffin wax, soap,
or something similar might be the better alternative.  I would
be exremely careful with graphite, because of the chance of
electrical conductance

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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:25:53 -0400
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Others on this list have reported problems of the plastic itself breaking
down after exposure to oils, so it's probably best to avoid oil altogether.
Silicone lubricant is a synthetic oil, so it may not react with the plastic,
but I can't say for sure what the long-term effect will be.

It's probably safest to use something like powdered graphite, or maybe even
powdered soap (like Ivory, NOT detergent) - perhaps a liquid soap.  I would
not use any sort of grease either, as they are mostly based on oil, and
probably would be very difficult to remove.  At least you could blow out the
powdered lubricants if you thought you didn't want it in there anymore.

How about wax?  Does anybody volunteer to melt a candle into their right
hinge? ;-)  Well, maybe that's not as bad as it sounds at first.  It doesn't
take a very high temperature to melt wax, but it should stay in place once
it's in there.

Alan Striegel

>What's the recommended hinge lube?  light machine oil?  Silicon
>spray?  Graphite?  Other??

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Domingo,
PC Magazine, Sept. 3, 2002 page 75 describes how to run DOS programs on
Windows XP.
  =Bob=

Domingo wrote:
>
> Hello again.  I am trying to install all my hplx and DOS programs in their
> own bootable DOS partitition, in my XP machine.  I have researched the above
> topic already, and the Google consensus seems to be to do it from scratch,
> installing DOS first, then XP.
> But I successfully installed Linux *after* XP, and now I have a dual boot
> system (using a trick on the boot.ini file, which I found on the net).   I
> don't want to erase all that just to add a DOS partition.
> The problem is that a simple SYS command with a boot floppy doesn't work,
> because for some reason MSDOS from the floppy cannot see any of the
> partitions at all (the first one is NTFS, and the second one is Linux, the
> third one is FAT16).   I have a 20gig hard disk, so that's part of the
> problem.
> The MSDOS installation disk will happily erase the whole disk for me and
> install DOS (I don't think it could handle that disk size, but it is willing
> to try, just not me), but it too cannot see the third partition (which I
> know it is past the last bootable sector, but I believe I can get DOS to
> boot from there with the boot.ini trick, if I can just install it there.
>
> When working on the Linux partition I tried to put it before the XP
> partition, but that created all kinds of problems (I don't have regular
> installation disks for XP, but a CD that will erase the whole thing or
> nothing at all, so that's the reason I cannot install it last, hence the
> boot.ini trick), so I am leery of putting the DOS partition before the XP
> one.  I have Partition Magic and have done all the preliminary work with the
> partitions.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Domingo
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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:46:32 -0400
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Richard,

Household 3-in-1 machine oil works fine.  Have used it off and on since
1991.  A Q-tip is a good way to control the amount applied.    =Bob=

Richard and Patti Smith wrote:
>
> After receiving a warning that RemOil and a silicone lubricant
> had disintegrated the hinges of a list member's palmtop, I must
> warn Russell and others to be careful!   I have heard of hinges
> disintegrating with oil-type lubricants (Rem-Oil, WD-40, etc.),
> but not silicone.  I don't know for certain that my or his
> hinges will disintegrate, but it seems that it is a possibility.
>
> However, that product I used does state that it is
> "all-purpose", and states that it can be used on rubber,
> although it doesn't specifically mention nor warn against use on
> plastics.  Also, I wonder if the disintegrating agent was not in
> fact some kind of solvent in the mixture that is used to make
> the silicone "sprayable" and if leaving the hinge exposed as I
> did for a few hours allowed some of the solvent to evaporate.  I
> can only hope.
>
> On the other hand, perhaps a lithium grease, paraffin wax, soap,
> or something similar might be the better alternative.  I would
> be exremely careful with graphite, because of the chance of
> electrical conductance
>
> Richard Smith
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Hi Barry,

as far as I remember, FreeDos does *NOT* have mulit-x, x element of
{'tasking', 'threading'}. On their site they state something like "we want
to build an OS 100% compatible to original (MS-)DOS, without any
improvements in the first place". But I might be wrong ...

I would recommend DR-DOS, since its a complete package, whereas FreeDos is
like installing Linux: "Get the sources for kernel, boot loader, shell and
tools, compile them, then start your favorite Disk-editor and dump the boot
block ..."

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:14:21 +0200
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Hi Bill

17h12m ago Bill Krauss wrote:

> Any pointers to solutions to this (common?) screen problem?: Left side
> "column" suddenly appeared?  Fatal?

appeared?
I don't know what you mean here exactly, but each common kind of screen
problem and their fixes are described on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair

> It can be mitigated by pressing_hard_with left thumb on bottom left =
hand
> corner of screen.

Aha, this sounds like a contact problem between LCD and board, you
would have to disassemble the whole palmtop and screen to fix that.
But of course I can be wrong. So please see first how far my repair
site brings you.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:14:24 +0200
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Sat, 31.08.02 12:09 PM +0200

Hi friends,

for my backlight upgrade, I'm now looking for a reliable 5V power
supply inside the palmtop, John suggested to use the PCMCIA port pin
which supplies 5V to PC cards, but that would surely decrease the
maximum current for PC cards, wouldn't it?

Is there another position where I can get 5V, without affecting the
PCMCIA port? I need about 90-100 mA.

Thanks
daniel


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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:39:51 -0400
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As Avi said, the power is just about the LX "limit", but there is no
indication they have DOS drivers.

Vic

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> I recently found this:
> http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS.htm
>
> does anybody know the device and if it could be useful in a HP200?
>
> cheers,
> Werner
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I don't know if your data is correct, but the Congress is supposed to be
representative of the US population and I expect that your statistics are
not that far off for the population in general. And - I most definitely will
NOT pas this dribble on.

Vic Roberts

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[snip]

Would you join an exclusive club with a little more than 500 members
and the following statistics:

[snip]

It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

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> I don't know if your data is correct, but the Congress is
supposed to be
> representative of the US population

Good thought!  I wonder which of them is a hacker.

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:35:18 -0700
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Either use a special tool, such as boot magic (comes with=
 partition magic) or
use Virtual PC.

I like VPC best as I can map a NTFS directory to a DOS drive and=
 VPC translates for DOS.

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in Win3.0)


> I would recommend DR-DOS, since its a complete package, whereas
FreeDos is
> like installing Linux: "Get the sources for kernel, boot loader,
shell and
> tools, compile them, then start your favorite Disk-editor and
dump the boot
> block ..."

Thanks.  I guess I'll take a look at DR-Dos.  Multi-tasking is my
primary motivation.

I'm ok with MS-Dos.  I'm used to it.  But multi-tasking and
protected mode will be good to have.  I read something the other
day that implied but didn't actually state that VGA (640x480) isn't
banked in protected mode.  Do you know if that's true?

The Aero is 640x480 and can't handle 256 colors at that resolution
so I'll probably use mode 12h.  It can't use 13h gracefully since
it has fixed pixels at 640x480.

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:27:21 +0100
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>Another question: Can the ELEN pin directly be attached to the CPU's
>/O pin switched by the backlite TSR, or is there something needed for
>signal voltage adaption or so?

According to the manufacturers data sheet, the maximum voltage for the ELEN
pin is Vdd+0.25V. As you are using a 3V supply, this will be 3.25V. The I/O
pin from the CPU is most likely 5V as the supply to the CPU is 5V (I think)
so you will need the reduce the I/O voltage to drive the ELEN pin, or
increase the supply to the SP4403 to 5V instead.

>Coil: 470uH 90mA 12 Ohm (does decreasing the resistance increase light
>intensity? I could get another coil 470uH 170mA 7.9 Ohm)

I don't know the answer to this as the data sheet is not specific. However,
you could experiment by adding a small resistance in series with the
inductor and see if this reduces the brightness. If so, then it is
reasonable to assume that reducing the coil resistance will increase the
brightness.

HATH

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:13:39 -0500
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<<
> Secondly, finally after over a year of negotiating were able to
> purchase 400 brand new palmtops. They are completely virgin, never
> used, but removed from their original packaging.

200LXs? How much memory?
>>

2 meg  200lx's -- plus, of course, we can upgrade them.

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:08:07 -0400
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Hi all, Saw this definition and thought I'd pass on a grin.

PCMCIA:
People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

;-)
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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:26:43 +0200
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Is there a chance to connect the HP200LX to the
"Flex-Memory" of a Siemens phone e.g. ME45?
On a Windows computer the phone memory appears as a drive
in the explorer if connected.
Though very small (400kBytes) it would be useful to reach
that memory.
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On 2002-08-29, I wrote:

> - Write a small TSR (with unload facility so you can easily remove
>   it afterwards), which emulates the DR-DOS version check INT 21h/
>   AX=3D4452h before you launch TASKMAX.EXE/TASKMGR.EXE. In case this
>   still does not work, I can look up the details (when I find the
>   time, that is).

I looked this up and came to the conclusion, that the DR-DOS 7.03
TASKMGR.EXE should run on any 386+ with more than 2 Mb of memory
under Novell DOS 7, OpenDOS 7.01, DR-DOS 7.02+, or MS-DOS/PC DOS 5.0+,
if the DR-DOS EMM386.EXE 3.xx is loaded with the /MULTI option.
However, this does not help any further on the 80186 based HP LX.

As a task switcher (TASKMGR.EXE /S or no EMM386.EXE /MULTI option),
it requires Novell DOS 7, OpenDOS 7.01, or DR-DOS 7.02+ to work.
It would also run on Compaq MS-DOS 3.31 the least, if a tiny TSR
would bypass the version check by implementing the DR-DOS install
check INT 21h/AX=3D4452h to fake one of the above mentioned DR-DOS
versions (for example DR-DOS 7.03: BDOS =3D 1073h).
The bad news is that there is another sanity check, which is more
difficult to work around. The task switching TASKMGR checks that
the string "COMPAQ" is found at memory location 0070h:0006h, as
it occurs under both, Compaq MS-DOS and DR-DOS.
This string cannot be found in generic issues of MS-DOS or
IBM PC DOS, so it won't be possible to run the DR-DOS task
switcher unless either this sanity check is NOPed out or other-
wise bypassed (which is difficult to achieve because the check
is in one of its internal PKLITE compressed modules, not the
outher loader stub), or alternatively, the "COMPAQ" string is
patched into this location - with unknown, but potentially fatal
consequences for the running system.
At least in disk-based DOS this string would be located just a
few bytes before the built-in character device driver entry points,
for example in MS-DOS/PC DOS 5.0+ the word at 0070h:0005h holds
the entry point into the kernel's INT 2Fh handler. In ROM-based
DOS 5.0+ the word at 0070h:000Ah stores the segment address where
DOS starts to scan for ROM modules, so this is nothing that could
be overwritten without risking a crash. Still, the ROM-based DOS
version in the HP LX may have a different memory layout of the
DOS BIOS data segment, so I suggest to just give it a try.

Hope it helps,

 Matthias

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On 2002-08-31, Barry wrote:

> I'm ok with MS-Dos.  I'm used to it.  But multi-tasking and
> protected mode will be good to have.  I read something the other
> day that implied but didn't actually state that VGA (640x480) isn't
> banked in protected mode.  Do you know if that's true?

All modern SVGA cards have a linear frame buffer (LFB), which
is usually mapped into the CPU's address space at the end of the
Extended Memory, sometimes it is mapped in at a lower address
(f.e. 15 Mb+). The idea is, that you can access the SVGA card's
linear memory without bankswitching in Protected Mode. However,
Real Mode software will still have to access the memory through
segments A000h/B000h in the 1st Mb.

The DR-DOS multitasker virtualizes a VGA card and graphical DOS
applications can continue to run in background. However, it only
supports standard VGA resolutions and some VESA modes up to 800x600
(most VESA modes won't work at all and will cause the screen to get
distorted when bringing a domain back to the foreground). Hicolor
modes won't work as well.

 Matthias

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On 2002-08-31, Barry wrote:

>> I'm ok with MS-Dos.  I'm used to it.  But multi-tasking and
>> protected mode will be good to have.  I read something the other
>> day that implied but didn't actually state that VGA (640x480)
isn't
>> banked in protected mode.  Do you know if that's true?
>
> All modern SVGA cards have a linear frame buffer (LFB), which
> is usually mapped into the CPU's address space at the end of the
> Extended Memory, sometimes it is mapped in at a lower address
> (f.e. 15 Mb+). The idea is, that you can access the SVGA card's
> linear memory without bankswitching in Protected Mode. However,
> Real Mode software will still have to access the memory through
> segments A000h/B000h in the 1st Mb.
>
> The DR-DOS multitasker virtualizes a VGA card and graphical DOS
> applications can continue to run in background. However, it only
> supports standard VGA resolutions and some VESA modes up to
800x600
> (most VESA modes won't work at all and will cause the screen to
get
> distorted when bringing a domain back to the foreground). Hicolor
> modes won't work as well.

The computer I'm concerned with has a 640x480 screen and that's the
only sensible resolution for it.  It can also only support 16
colors in VGA, which is the standard VGA mode.  SVGA isn't
available.  Lower resolutions are impractical due to the fixed size
pixels of the LCD.

You might have answered my question but I'm not sure.

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Date:         Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:24:23 -0500
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I've always liked TWAIN: Technology Without An Interesting Name

David

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